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A letter to Nancy Pelosi from Dennis L. Guthrie

by Bob in Breckenridge ( 165 Comments › )
Filed under Communism, Democratic Party, Free Speech, Liberal Fascism, Multiculturalism, Political Correctness, Politics, Progressives at August 22nd, 2009 - 3:30 pm

This is beautifully written, not to mention 100% spot-on…


Dear Ms. Pelosi:

I write to you out of utter disdain! You are as despicable and un-American as the traitor Jane Fonda.

I am a soon to be 65 year-old who has voted in every state and local election since 1966. I have voted for both Republicans and Democrats alike. I have worked on campaigns for both Republicans and Democrats, white and black. I served the country that I love in Vietnam, as my son did in the Middle East. I was awarded two bronze stars. I have been involved in politics since age 6 when my father was campaign manager for a truly great American Congressman, Charles Raper Jonas, who worked for his constituents and his country, and was to be admired, unlike you.

You obviously haven’t read the Constitution recently, if ever, the Federalist Papers, or even David McCullough’s book on John Adams. You ought to take the time while riding around in your government provided luxury executive jet to do just that. You represent Socialistic and even Marxist principals that our founding fathers tried to avoid when setting out the capitalistic republican form of government represented by our Constitution.

I find it interesting that you and your husband are multi-millionaires with much of your fortune being made as a result of your “public service”. You have controlled legislation that has enhanced your husband’s investments both on and off shore. At the same time you redistributed the wealth of others. Our system of a free market economy is being destroyed by the likes of you, Harry Reid, and now our President. You ride around in a Gulfstream airplane at the tax payer’s expense while criticizing the presidents of companies who produced something for the economy. You add nothing to the economy of the United States; you only subtract therefrom.

I would like to suggest that you return to the city of fruitcakes and nuts and eat your husband’s canned tuna and pineapple produced by illegal immigrants and by workers who have been excluded from the protection that 90% of the legal workers in the United States have.

I await your defeat in the next election with glee.

Don’t ever use the term “un-American” again for protesters who love this country and are exercising their rights upon which this country was founded. By the way, while I served in the Army, I was spit on by the same type of lunatics who support you and who you probably supported in the 60’s and 70’s. You are an embarrassment to all of us who served so that you would have the protected right of free speech to call us un-American. But at the same time, I have the right to write you to notify you that I consider you to be un-American, as do the majority of the people of this formerly great country. You are a true disgrace to most of the people who served this country by offering themselves for public service in the United States Congress.

I feel certain your aides will not share this letter with you, but I intend to share it with many.


Dennis L. Guthrie

Edit by LanceKates:  Hat Tip to Beltfed for giving us a link to a pdf of this letter.


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165 Responses to “A letter to Nancy Pelosi from Dennis L. Guthrie”
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  1. coldwarrior
    1 | August 22, 2009 3:33 pm

    hear! hear! well written!

  2. 2 | August 22, 2009 3:36 pm

    SPOT ON!

    good find, Bob!

  3. 3 | August 22, 2009 3:36 pm

    Amen to that (both to Mr. Guthrie & coldwarrior).

  4. Findalis
    4 | August 22, 2009 3:36 pm

    Now that is casting pearls before a swine. She will never read it, she might send it to the FBI for investigation. It is a sad time for this nation that she is the Speaker of the House. Oh for a man like Tip O’Neil once again.

  5. vagabond trader
    5 | August 22, 2009 3:37 pm

    Great, this for real I hope?

    Anyone know what tuna and pineapple her husband owns?

    Oh yeah, almost forgot………………


    Er FIFTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. Aussie Infidel
    6 | August 22, 2009 3:44 pm

    ………… “That’ll learn ‘er” ……

    Nice sentiment but a complete waste of ink and electrons. The Pelosis of this world and her minions are so far down the socialist track that such criticism just rolls off their backs. Only ONE THING frightens them and keeps them awake late at night.

    The thought that they may lose power.

    Power after all is their reason for being.

    Roll on 2010

  7. coldwarrior
    7 | August 22, 2009 3:46 pm

    re: #6 by Aussie Infidel

    yep, its all power…which they will loose most abruptly next election because they will not listen, they are the elite that knows what is best for everyone.

  8. Bob in Breckenridge
    8 | August 22, 2009 3:48 pm

    re: #5 by vagabond trader

    Yes, it was verified with the author, whose email address is in the letterhead.

  9. vagabond trader
    9 | August 22, 2009 3:49 pm

    re: #8 by Bob in Breckenridge


  10. Bob in Breckenridge
    10 | August 22, 2009 3:51 pm

    Here’s his profile from his law firm’s website-

    Captain, U.S. Army, 1969-1971, Vietnam

    National Defense Medal, 1969

    Republic of Viet Nam Service Medal, 1970

    Bronze Star Medals (2), 1971

  11. coldwarrior
    11 | August 22, 2009 3:55 pm

    re: #10 by Bob in Breckenridge

    the bronze STARS are the high point on that resume!

  12. coldwarrior
    12 | August 22, 2009 4:03 pm

    ah yes…my beloved Steelers play tonight! i love football season!

  13. song_and_dance_man
    13 | August 22, 2009 4:09 pm

    I hope this letter makes the rounds of the net, talk radio and MSM. The latter is not likely with the exception of Fox News, the WSJ and the Washington Times.

    I’m sending Guthrie an email of appreciation.

  14. tunnelrat
    14 | August 22, 2009 4:11 pm

    re: #12 by coldwarrior

    Look out, on October 25 they will be playing the 7-0 Minnesota Vikings with Brett Favre as QB!!!!

  15. Et Norsk Troll
    15 | August 22, 2009 4:12 pm

    It appears that Dianne Finestein is tired of getting hammered, too:

    Seems that she has instructed her staff to suspend the ‘Breakfast with the Constituents’ program.

    Hmmmmmmm…..I wonder if this is due to the response to the Health Care Bill?

    ~Norsk Troll

  16. coldwarrior
    16 | August 22, 2009 4:12 pm

    re: #14 by tunnelrat


    yinz y’ll be 3-4 by then!

  17. coldwarrior
    17 | August 22, 2009 4:13 pm

    re: #15 by Et Norsk Troll

    di fi knows better what her underlings need…they dont need to speak to her.

  18. Bob in Breckenridge
    18 | August 22, 2009 4:14 pm

    re: #16 by coldwarrior

    And Favre will be on the IR well before then.

    /Chicago Bears fan here, FWIW… :)

  19. coldwarrior
    19 | August 22, 2009 4:16 pm

    re: #18 by Bob in Breckenridge

    favre w/ the vikings, or any other nfc north team is just plain, kiss yer sister WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

  20. Bob in Breckenridge
    20 | August 22, 2009 4:18 pm

    re: #17 by coldwarrior

    di fi knows better what her underlings need…they dont need to speak to her.

    Bowing is sufficient to the dimwit, just don’t look her in the eyes, because she, like most elitist libturds, think they’re royalty.

    /Plus by not looking at her ugly mug, you might live a little longer.

  21. song_and_dance_man
    21 | August 22, 2009 4:19 pm

    Too bad Cleveland didn’t sign Vick. It would have flummoxed the Dog Pound.

  22. coldwarrior
    22 | August 22, 2009 4:19 pm

    re: #18 by Bob in Breckenridge

    spent some weeks out in chicago a few years ago…loved it! i would weigh 500lbs if i lived out there, the food was outstanding!

  23. coldwarrior
    23 | August 22, 2009 4:20 pm

    re: #21 by song_and_dance_man

    now that WOULD be interesting? would the dog pound then fight amongst itself?

  24. 24 | August 22, 2009 4:20 pm

    I think he went easy on the worthless skank.

    F-ck you Swinestein, you’re an embarrassment to the human race.

  25. song_and_dance_man
    25 | August 22, 2009 4:20 pm

    Chicago is known for great food? Now that’s news.

  26. song_and_dance_man
    26 | August 22, 2009 4:22 pm

    re: #23 by coldwarrior

    I already checked. Philadelphia doesn’t play Cleveland this season. Too bad -- THAT would have been an interesting game.

  27. vagabond trader
    27 | August 22, 2009 4:23 pm

    Pelousy is not fit to breathe the same air as this gentleman.

  28. bar
    28 | August 22, 2009 4:23 pm

    The San Diego Chargers, better pull their heads out this season…

  29. coldwarrior
    29 | August 22, 2009 4:24 pm

    re: #26 by song_and_dance_man

    philly now has two overrated QB’s.

  30. song_and_dance_man
    30 | August 22, 2009 4:27 pm

    re: #28 by bar

    Lifelong Raiders fan here. The disappointment since Davis gave LA the finger is palpable.

    I still root for the Rams, Pittsburgh, Chicago and Green Bay. My brother played Pop Warner and I became a fan of the Packers and Steelers back in the 70′s. And McMahon sealed the deal for me in Chicago. Too bad his stint with the Raiders didn’t work so well.

  31. Bob in Breckenridge
    31 | August 22, 2009 4:29 pm

    re: #22 by coldwarrior

    I agree cw. I haven’t lived there since ’89, but still order my pizza from Lou Malnati’s. It’s a little pricey at $80 for 4- 9 inch pizzas, but I don’t do it every week.

  32. vagabond trader
  33. Bob in Breckenridge
    33 | August 22, 2009 4:31 pm

    re: #28 by bar

    Fortunately, they play in such a shitty division bar (AFC West) that if they don’t win it it’ll be shocking to everyone in and out of the NFL.

  34. song_and_dance_man
    34 | August 22, 2009 4:32 pm

    re: #29 by coldwarrior


    McNabb would make a great Micky D’s manager when he retires. I wonder if he’s looked into franchising a string of fast food restaurants.

  35. bar
    35 | August 22, 2009 4:35 pm

    re: #30 by song_and_dance_man

    My nephew is a big Raiders fan, the last few years I have been able to give him lots of crap.

    When the Raiders were actually feared.


  36. bar
    36 | August 22, 2009 4:36 pm

    re: #33 by Bob in Breckenridge


    No kidding.

  37. bar
    37 | August 22, 2009 4:38 pm

    re: #34 by song_and_dance_man

    Is it good news on the job thingy?

  38. Bob in Breckenridge
    38 | August 22, 2009 4:42 pm

    I see Nancy has a thread up about a WashPo piece questioning whether the govt. can mandate healthcare. Here’s what taxfreekiller had to say with no sarc tag-

    National Health Care has no Birth Certificate therefore it can not serve Americans.

    And of course she of no life, the Sharmutant, had the first post.

    /Shocking, I tells ya!!!

  39. coldwarrior
    39 | August 22, 2009 4:43 pm

    re: #38 by Bob in Breckenridge

    tfk strikes!

  40. tunnelrat
    40 | August 22, 2009 4:46 pm

    Vikings will easily win the weak NFC north this year with a 13-3 record or better. We have the best runningback duo in football, an improved offensive line, and a real QB at last.

  41. vagabond trader
    41 | August 22, 2009 4:46 pm

    re: #38 by Bob in Breckenridge

    We’ve been talking about this for weeks. Little behind the curve at 1′s, huh?

  42. song_and_dance_man
    42 | August 22, 2009 4:46 pm

    re: #37 by bar

    We have to re-interview one last time. The position is that important. I will know next week, but I’m confident it is mine.

    One of the applicants was escorted by the Deputy Director through the facility yesterday, and when I saw them come through the door I assumed it was over and the Sgt. had been picked. But that was for another function, so I have to assume he is out.

    If and when I get it I will be dancing on lilies. And of course that will not be seen, but I will be praising God right quick and will report my advance or acknowledgment that a better man was rightly picked.

  43. vagabond trader
    43 | August 22, 2009 4:49 pm

    re: #42 by song_and_dance_man

    Just don’t do anything dumb between now and then!


  44. bar
    44 | August 22, 2009 4:52 pm

    re: #40 by tunnelrat

    and a real QB at last

    You mean a real old one. Dont get me wrong I like Bret, he is the man, an old man but still the man.

    Its the Minnesota Vikings cash for clunkers program.


  45. coldwarrior
    45 | August 22, 2009 4:53 pm

    re: #43 by vagabond trader

    nice piece, there…

  46. 46 | August 22, 2009 4:54 pm

    re: #40 by tunnelrat

    Hopefully, Favre will stay longer than a season with Minnesota, although I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up deciding to retire again, and then decided to make yet another comeback.

    As for the NFL, I’ll probably keep an eye on Dallas. Used to be a big Cowboys fan when Troy Aikman & Emmitt Smith played, but lost interest not long afterwards. Except for Super Bowl XLI, I haven’t really rooted for any NFL team since.

  47. bar
    47 | August 22, 2009 4:55 pm

    re: #43 by vagabond trader

    Isn’t that ridiculous. I mean we all know that not many guys can say no to half naked women. It’s the oldest trick in the book!!!

    I think his punishment, should be a spanking.


  48. coldwarrior
    48 | August 22, 2009 4:55 pm

    re: #44 by bar

    i think bret is done, this is embarrassing. there is nothing worse than an aged, past his prime athlete that just keeps hanging on. the jock ego is a sad thing when it does this

  49. tunnelrat
    49 | August 22, 2009 4:58 pm

    Re: 44, Bar

    Yeah, I am a little concerned about him staying healthy, but overall the pieces of the puzzle are coming together for the Vikings. We still need a good coach though. Chili-dog has been a big disappointment so far.

  50. Bob in Breckenridge
    50 | August 22, 2009 5:00 pm

    re: #41 by vagabond trader

    I haven’t been here in awhile, but I was at the library using one of their computers and lo and behold LGF2 was blocked as “hate speech”.

    I’m blocked at LGF from even reading it at home (no big loss), but I’m not on my computer- I’m on my brother’s, so I was able to check out 1.0 for the first time in a couple of months, and the first thread (not the most current) I read the comments from has she of no life posting the first and fifth comment.

  51. song_and_dance_man
    51 | August 22, 2009 5:00 pm

    re: #43 by vagabond trader

    I hear that.

    My son has been wanting to see the band Dream Theater ever since I turned him on to them. Well, I purchased tickets -- 100 bucks a pop -- for a Denver show, with airline tickets and hotel accommodations. I had to cancel the trip. The concert is on Tuesday and we will miss it, and I’m eating about $400 for it.

    Yea, he is bummed, but he is OK with the importance of what this means to me.

  52. bar
    52 | August 22, 2009 5:01 pm

    re: #48 by coldwarrior

    I knew he wouldn’t retire for real the second time around.
    So many do it now a days, it’s a cliche.

  53. coldwarrior
    53 | August 22, 2009 5:02 pm

    re: #50 by Bob in Breckenridge

    i’ll bet KOS isnt banned.

  54. song_and_dance_man
    54 | August 22, 2009 5:04 pm

    re: #52 by bar

    I’m surprised the Raiders didn’t pick him up. They are known for picking up great players in their waning and sunset years.

  55. tunnelrat
    55 | August 22, 2009 5:05 pm

    re: #48 by coldwarrior

    I’m sure that he still has something left, but he will not be at the level he was 10 years ago. It’s just that the Vikings have been getting by with awful QB’s for so long, that this can’t help but be an improvement.

  56. song_and_dance_man
    56 | August 22, 2009 5:08 pm

    re: #44 by bar

    Farve has.had one of the strongest arms since Kosar. Or maybe that should be accurate.

  57. song_and_dance_man
    57 | August 22, 2009 5:10 pm

    re: #48 by coldwarrior

    I tend to agree with that. There are few players that bail in their prime.

  58. coldwarrior
    58 | August 22, 2009 5:12 pm

    re: #55 by tunnelrat

    if he’s healthy he can add some value…IF HE REMAINS HEALTHY.

  59. bar
    59 | August 22, 2009 5:12 pm

    re: #54 by song_and_dance_man

    Or the Rams, well the LA Rams that is, they were notorious for that also.
    I mean Fran Tarkenton, come on.

    It looks like cash for clunkers in the NFL has been going on for a long time.

  60. bar
    60 | August 22, 2009 5:14 pm

    Sorry, Fran Tarkenton was part of the NYG cash for clunkers program.

    Joe Namath and some others were the Rams cash for clunkers

  61. Iron Fist
    61 | August 22, 2009 5:16 pm

    Only hits count.

    Has nothing to do with football. Comes from Black Hills ammunition. I’m going to see Inglorious Bastards. Killing Nazis is good :-)

  62. NoThreat2U
    62 | August 22, 2009 5:16 pm

    re: #14 by tunnelrat

    Watching the Steelers now! And puh-leeze…Brett needs to retire and stay retired.

  63. bar
    63 | August 22, 2009 5:16 pm

    re: #55 by tunnelrat

    I agree.
    Your Vikings took my Chargers for 200+ yards rushing last season.
    I hope our D-line and D-backs can improve.

  64. tunnelrat
    64 | August 22, 2009 5:16 pm

    re: #59 by bar

    Minnesota has been guilty of that too:
    Warren Moon
    Archie Manning
    Jim McMahon
    Jeff George

    Am hoping for better results this time….

  65. coldwarrior
    65 | August 22, 2009 5:17 pm

    re: #59 by bar

    franco harris went to the seahawks…that was very sad

  66. coldwarrior
    66 | August 22, 2009 5:17 pm

    re: #64 by tunnelrat

    i see a trend here, chief!

  67. coldwarrior
    67 | August 22, 2009 5:18 pm

    re: #62 by NoThreat2U


    go stillers

  68. coldwarrior
    68 | August 22, 2009 5:19 pm

    fast willie parker with the TD

  69. song_and_dance_man
    69 | August 22, 2009 5:24 pm

    re: #60 by bar

    Glad you cleared that up. I was doing a *what?*.

    OK everyone. Who is your pick this season?

    re: #65 by coldwarrior

    And in that time the Seahawks were a nothing team. Has that changed? Oh yeah, they lost to the Steelers 3 years ago.

  70. NoThreat2U
    70 | August 22, 2009 5:24 pm

    re: #67 by coldwarrior

    YOU KNOW IT!!!!! Stairway to Seven baby!!!

  71. coldwarrior
    71 | August 22, 2009 5:26 pm

    re: #69 by song_and_dance_man

    i have to take the steelers…it goes without saying.

  72. song_and_dance_man
    72 | August 22, 2009 5:27 pm

    re: #64 by tunnelrat

    Too sad for the Raiders -- they picked up McMahon and had George.

  73. tunnelrat
    73 | August 22, 2009 5:28 pm

    re: #69 by song_and_dance_man

    Vikings and Giants in the NFC
    No real powerhouses in the AFC this year.

  74. bar
    74 | August 22, 2009 5:29 pm

    Ok, the Jamaican-me-crazy beer can chicken is on the grill. I would give it an hour and a half, but check it in 45 minutes.

    I pick the Chargers, color everyone surprised!

    Iron Fist, I agree, killing Nazi’s is a good thing, I want to see that flick.

  75. NoThreat2U
    75 | August 22, 2009 5:30 pm

    re: #69 by song_and_dance_man

    My pick is the Steelers! We bleed black and gold in this house. (And I am a girl!!) LMAO*****

  76. tunnelrat
    76 | August 22, 2009 5:31 pm

    re: #72 by song_and_dance_man

    Actually thought that George was the best of that lot. He took a lot of punishment, as we did not have a good offensive line that season. He certainly gave it his best effort.

  77. bar
    77 | August 22, 2009 5:32 pm

    Did I mean that I hate the Steelers!
    Come on, the 1979 LA Rams in the super bowl and then the Chargers last year.

    I despise them!!!!


  78. 78 | August 22, 2009 5:37 pm

    re: #74 by bar

    Just saw it. I’m sure you and Iron Fist will like it. Jews killing Nazis; a great formula for a WWII action movie.

  79. song_and_dance_man
    79 | August 22, 2009 5:37 pm

    re: #71 by coldwarrior

    I wouldn’t mind that. Rothlisberger[s] is a great QB. They are one of teams I root for. However, if Brady comes healthy on the line it may be another Patriots win in the end. They still have Belichick after all.

  80. 80 | August 22, 2009 5:40 pm

    Loved the letter. Personal Declaration of Independence.

    Executive summary for those who hate to read… “FU”

  81. bar
    81 | August 22, 2009 5:41 pm

    re: #78 by Morgan

    I was hoping it was based on a true story…
    Too bad its not.

  82. bar
    82 | August 22, 2009 5:42 pm

    re: #80 by BenZacharia

    Boy, I so want to upding + that!

  83. coldwarrior
    83 | August 22, 2009 5:43 pm

    re: #79 by song_and_dance_man

    the patriots cheated and those involved should be banned from the sport.

  84. song_and_dance_man
    84 | August 22, 2009 5:46 pm

    re: #75 by NoThreat2U

    The Steelers are one my favs.

    Of course my two favorite teams are the Raiders (I know, I know) and whoever is playing Dallas.

    I hope the billion $ new stadium serves them well.

    Where I live now they only broadcast on local TV the Dallas and Denver games. BIG BUMMER.

  85. bar
    85 | August 22, 2009 5:47 pm

    re: #83 by coldwarrior

    I think they should forfeit their super bowl loss. So the Chargers have to play the Giants in a make-up super bowl game.

  86. 86 | August 22, 2009 5:50 pm

    Good find Bob!

  87. coldwarrior
    87 | August 22, 2009 5:51 pm

    re: #85 by bar

    award it to both sd and nyg

  88. bar
    88 | August 22, 2009 5:52 pm

    re: #84 by song_and_dance_man

    When I was a kid my mom would take me out to watch the Dallas Cowboys practice at CLU, I never did like them Cowboys.

    They screwed the Rams over many times.


  89. bar
    89 | August 22, 2009 5:54 pm

    re: #87 by coldwarrior

    No, they have to play for it

  90. 90 | August 22, 2009 5:55 pm

    re: #81 by bar

    With what happens in the movie, there’s no way it could ever be based on a true story, but it makes for a great fantasy movie.

  91. song_and_dance_man
    91 | August 22, 2009 5:58 pm

    re: #83 by coldwarrior

    Yeah they did cheat, but they won. I guess the age old axiom of all is fair in love and war is not part of the program that was employed by the coaches and players of NE.

    The Duck and Cover lessons apply when it comes to games.

  92. coldwarrior
    92 | August 22, 2009 6:00 pm

    re: #86 by Rodan

    rodan, can we get a weekly ncaa/nfl football thread?

    it can start on thursdays and end on tuesday morning. this way those of us rooting for our local teams against those heathens from other local areas wont wreck the real threads with our football knowledge.

  93. song_and_dance_man
    93 | August 22, 2009 6:04 pm

    re: #88 by bar

    One a side note I got to see the pre-Dallas star QB Aikman in his senior year at UCLA. He lost horribly to the Washington Huskies. It was a great game for WA who went on o become the next UNLV of that time.

  94. song_and_dance_man
    94 | August 22, 2009 6:06 pm

    re: #92 by coldwarrior

    LOL. I am with you for slamming the heathen. LOL

  95. goddessoftheclassroom
    95 | August 22, 2009 6:06 pm

    re: #70 by NoThreat2U

    I’m loving THAT!

  96. bar
    96 | August 22, 2009 6:06 pm

    re: #92 by coldwarrior

    This admin will make sure of such!

    We can make it a high school, ncaa, nfl, football thing. I know we have some HS and NCAA fans.

  97. goddessoftheclassroom
    97 | August 22, 2009 6:09 pm

    re: #78 by Morgan

    I have a HUGE favor to ask you. I want to see this movie, but I REALLY need to know which “good guys” die--I really can’t stand the surprise during a movie.

    Admins, is there a way I can send my email privately to Morgan, if he/she is willing to tell me? I don’t want to spoil anything for anyone else.

  98. coldwarrior
    98 | August 22, 2009 6:09 pm

    re: #96 by bar

    yeah, thursday night has both pro and ncaa, then friday has ncaa and hs, saturday is ncaa, sunday is pro, monday is pro…

    this keeps the threads on topic, kinda

  99. coldwarrior
    99 | August 22, 2009 6:10 pm

    re: #94 by song_and_dance_man

    you KNOW what those heathens are like!


  100. bar
    100 | August 22, 2009 6:12 pm

    At least Bob didnt get hit with the O.T as fast as TQC did last night.

    Just given Rodan a hard time.


  101. song_and_dance_man
    101 | August 22, 2009 6:17 pm

    re: #99 by coldwarrior

    Lions and Saints fans beware. And think about it, New Orleans and Detroit?

    ’nuff said!

  102. coldwarrior
    102 | August 22, 2009 6:18 pm

    re: #101 by song_and_dance_man

    got it!

  103. song_and_dance_man
    103 | August 22, 2009 6:19 pm

    re: #100 by bar

    c’est la vie

    For the Saints that is a beckon call for new paper bag helmets.

  104. coldwarrior
    104 | August 22, 2009 6:23 pm

    re: #103 by song_and_dance_man

    i remember the aints!

  105. coldwarrior
    105 | August 22, 2009 6:25 pm

    re: #96 by bar

    OH! DUH!

    i didn’t know u were admin!

    start it on thursday afternoon eastern time please! then close it tuesday.

  106. song_and_dance_man
    106 | August 22, 2009 6:29 pm

    re: #88 by bar

    Yeah they did and have done so going forward.

    I went to a pre season Raider game when Hershel Walker just fresh from the defunct USFL played at the non-fabulous LA Coliseum fro Dallas. Dallas won. Bummer.

    ‘Fro’ was a typo. Please don’t ban me.

  107. tunnelrat
    107 | August 22, 2009 6:33 pm

    re: #106 by song_and_dance_man

    “Herschel” is a four letter word to Vikings fans! LOL

  108. bar
    108 | August 22, 2009 6:36 pm

    re: #106 by song_and_dance_man

    I miss Bo Jackson, I thought he would have been one of the greatest, besides Dickerson and LT.

    And all those other RB, heathens

  109. 109 | August 22, 2009 6:38 pm

    re: #97 by goddessoftheclassroom

    I’m willing to tell you the fate of the good guys. If Admins can work out a private connection, I’ll be happy to to tell you.

  110. song_and_dance_man
    110 | August 22, 2009 6:47 pm

    re: #107 by tunnelrat

    He was a great runner. Because the USFL was new the tickets were cheap to see great players. I got to see many others I may have to think about to recollect. But Steve Young is one that I remember well. He was the QB after all and as we all know he followed the Barry Manilow lookalike up there in Fisco with the 49′ers.

  111. coldwarrior
    111 | August 22, 2009 6:47 pm

    re: #108 by bar


    “Local sports fan calls players from other local areas heathens”


  112. bar
    112 | August 22, 2009 6:48 pm

    re: #109 by Morgan

    If I can figure it out, then yeah I can pass the info!

    Send it to you know where and I will forward to you know who.

  113. song_and_dance_man
    113 | August 22, 2009 6:52 pm

    re: #108 by bar

    Do you recall that run with the Raiders when he was injured by a hip pointer. He was never the same after that.

  114. coldwarrior
    114 | August 22, 2009 6:54 pm

    re: #113 by song_and_dance_man

    BO had a degenerative disease of the bone that manifested itself in that hip. if u watch the footage, the hip collapses before the opposing player hits him.

    loosing BO was a great loss to all sports, cause BO KNOWS!

  115. song_and_dance_man
    115 | August 22, 2009 7:00 pm

    re: #114 by coldwarrior

    I didn’t know that. I was watching the game when it happened and was under the impression that he just stepped wrong. Sorta like an occasional wrong step that we all experience. But now that you mention it, an athlete like him, in an arena of sports, would not be likely.

  116. 116 | August 22, 2009 7:01 pm

    re: #112 by bar

    How about I send an e-mail to with the info?

  117. coldwarrior
    117 | August 22, 2009 7:02 pm

    re: #115 by song_and_dance_man

    i cant remember what he has, but if your not a double sport athlete or have an extremely physical job, it wont get you until you are well aged.

    the footage is very telling. the ball/socket area of the hip collapses as he plants the leg; then the hit occurs.

  118. goddessoftheclassroom
    118 | August 22, 2009 7:07 pm

    re: #116 by Morgan

    THANK YOU so much!

  119. coldwarrior
    119 | August 22, 2009 7:09 pm

    re: #118 by goddessoftheclassroom

    goddess, to answer your question some threads ago. i am from SW pennsylvania. thats why i will type ‘yinz’ occasionally.

  120. song_and_dance_man
    120 | August 22, 2009 7:11 pm

    re: #117 by coldwarrior

    IIRC he also played for the Royals. He was the first to play two pro sports.

    It was a weird injury, and of course, in lieu of my ignorance, I didn’t follow his injury news. All I knew at the time was he was out as a runner and good receiver for the Raiders.

    He was running along the sideline and then BANG, he was down.

  121. 121 | August 22, 2009 7:13 pm

    re: #118 by goddessoftheclassroom

    I’ll send the e-mail with the info.

  122. coldwarrior
    122 | August 22, 2009 7:14 pm

    re: #120 by song_and_dance_man

    jim thorpe did it as well.

    i’m looking for footage/diagnosis…

  123. coldwarrior
    123 | August 22, 2009 7:15 pm

    Bo “had avascular necrosis, as a result of decreased blood supply to the head of his left femur. This caused deterioration of the femoral head, ultimately requiring that the hip be replaced.”

    from wiki

  124. coldwarrior
    124 | August 22, 2009 7:18 pm

    re: #123 by coldwarrior

    if you look at the femoral head, its a large ball with an equally large bony attachment to the femoral shaft. this ‘neck’ area will weaken when blood flow is restricted because there will be less nutrients such as calcium to re sculpt the outer bone wall.

  125. goddessoftheclassroom
    125 | August 22, 2009 7:19 pm

    re: #119 by coldwarrior

    I love Western Pennsylvania.

  126. 126 | August 22, 2009 7:19 pm

    I click on the picture and it takes me to a page where I see that same picture. Do we have a link to the actual letter anywhere?

  127. coldwarrior
    127 | August 22, 2009 7:20 pm

    re: #125 by goddessoftheclassroom

    me too. its a nice place to live.

  128. goddessoftheclassroom
    128 | August 22, 2009 7:21 pm

    Good night, y’all--I hope to chat with you tomorrow.

  129. 129 | August 22, 2009 7:28 pm

    re: #128 by goddessoftheclassroom

    Good night.

  130. bar
    130 | August 22, 2009 7:42 pm

    re: #113 by song_and_dance_man

    Yes, a very sad day in sports. I also saw Joe break his leg badly on MNF.

  131. coldwarrior
    131 | August 22, 2009 7:46 pm

    re: #130 by bar

    i saw that too, live on MNF.

    i had already broken a bone, and that footage made me ill.

    was it LT that hit him? he could tell that something broke and was very concerned.

  132. bar
    132 | August 22, 2009 8:14 pm

    re: #131 by coldwarrior

    Wow, good memory. It was LT of the Giants.
    It made me ill, thats for sure.

  133. Bob in Breckenridge
    133 | August 22, 2009 8:15 pm

    re: #131 by coldwarrior

    ESPN actually says it was Gary Reasons who fell on Theismann’s leg. Theisman’s leg literally snapped in half, a compound fracture that all but ended his career. I remember watching LT, who said afterwards (much later), he heard the bones, the tibia and fibula, break in half.

    LT was almost crying after seeing Theisman’s lower leg, about halfway between the knee and ankle, almost lying at a 90 degree angle to the rest of his leg. It was on MNF in October ’85, I believe. The video is available on youtube if you want to see it. I’ll let you search for it.

  134. Bob in Breckenridge
    134 | August 22, 2009 8:23 pm

    Crap, here, read this-

    It’s Week 11 of the 1985 season in the nation’s capital, and the Redskins are playing a Monday Night game at home against the Giants, one of their fiercest rivals. Forty-three seconds into the second quarter of a scoreless game, Joe Theismann calls a trick play: a flea-flicker.

    Theismann hands the ball off to running back John Riggins, who barrels toward the line, comes to a screeching stop and tosses the ball back to Theismann, who starts to run. Everyone watching senses the play isn’t going to gain much yardage because Harry Carson, one of the Giants’ star linebackers, gets to Theismann quickly. But Theismann, typically, squirms away from Carson’s grip, as always digging for a few extra yards.

    The Giants’ Lawrence Taylor, a Hall of Fame linebacker who is 245 pounds of steel and the team’s most feared athlete, catches up to the scrambling Theismann. He slows him down and then pulls him down. Then, Gary Reasons, another Giants’ linebacker, comes rushing in, falling on top of the pile Taylor had just created.

    When Reasons crashes into the hill of bodies and pads, it causes Theismann to fall in a twisted, awkward manner. His leg becomes twisted sideways and pinned beneath him, as he crumbles to the turf.

    Suddenly, there is a crack. Everyone around the pile hears the gruesome sound. Theismann feels a sharp sensation shooting through his body. The stadium falls deafly silent. All eyes turn to the pile of players. They wonder who is the unlucky player. Suddenly, Theismann unleashes a bellowing scream, and Taylor jumps up from the stack, looks at Theismann and starts yelling for the Redskins’ medical crew.

    The TV camera zooms in and gets closer & closer & and boom — there it is. One of the most hideous sights in sports history. There is Theismann, withering on the ground, his leg behind him. The bone in his leg is gruesomely visible. Everyone in the stadium and watching on TV turns queasy — or they turn away, unable to look at the terrible sight. Taylor holds his head in disbelief. “When I heard a crack, it went right through me,” Taylor would say after the game. “It felt like it happened to me. It made me sick.”

    Theismann had suffered an open fracture of the tibia or shinbone. The fibula — the long, thin outer bone running between the knee and ankle — broke through his skin. The compound fracture results in the broken edges of a bone being pushed through the skin. ”His leg was just hanging there,” Taylor said. “It was the ugliest thing I’d never seen.”

    The sight of the unflappable and boisterous Theismann writhing on the ground is stunning. Theismann is one of the grittiest and toughest players in the league.

    Redskins fans adore their quarterback, who has been a fan favorite from the moment he took over the reins, in 1979, at the age of 29. Two seasons later, he was the NFC top-rated quarterback. He led the ‘Skins to a 27-16 Super Bowl victory over Miami. He was the toast of the nation’s capital. He had missed just one start in his eight years as the Redskins’ No. 1 QB and had made 163 straight starts. He was 36.

    When it is revealed the Theismann’s career is over because of the injury, the respect he had earned from both teammates and opponents surfaces. The definitive comment of respect came from one of Theismann’s fiercest rivals, Dallas Cowboys lineman Randy White, who would say, “He played you to the end. Always. Every game, every down. He was the ultimate competitor.”

  135. 135 | August 22, 2009 8:25 pm

    re: #134 by Bob in Breckenridge

    Hey Bob, do you have a link to the actual letter itself, rather than just the letterhead, or a link to the website this thread came from?

  136. bar
    136 | August 22, 2009 8:32 pm

    re: #134 by Bob in Breckenridge

    That was a tough read.
    I broke my leg playing soccer, I heard the “snap” and felt the pain, and It was nothing the break Theismann break.

  137. Bob in Breckenridge
    137 | August 22, 2009 8:38 pm

    re: #135 by LanceKates

    It was emailed to me from my cousin as a .pdf. and I googled it trying to find an actual link. I couldn’t figure out how to post a .pdf here. I can email you the entire .pdf via savage.

    I found what I posted on the website of the guy that just a couple months ago was giving away an AR-15 assault rifle with the purchase of a car. (We had a thread here with video about the CNN libturd reporterette who was shocked that he would do such a thing, and her interview with the car dealer).

  138. 138 | August 22, 2009 8:47 pm

    re: #137 by Bob in Breckenridge

    I don’t think that we can embed a pdf, but if you upload it like a picture, you can put a link to it in the post, so we at least show the letter as a letter.

    If what I said doesn’t make sense, email the PDF to me and I’ll do it bud.

  139. Pragmatist
    139 | August 22, 2009 10:24 pm

    Why is this important thread being SPAMMED by countless ‘numb nuts’ spewing irrelevant OT BS about Sport. Just what are they afraid of? The truth getting out maybe? Either that or they are examples of the famous American brainlessness that allowed an Abomination like the LIAR Messiah to lie and cheat his way to BOGUS POTUS. Whatever reason they do it its PATHETIC and exposes them for what they are. If you want to chit chat like girlies use Facebook or Twitter ‘numb nuts’.

  140. 140 | August 23, 2009 1:28 am

    Nancy? Is that you?

  141. Beltfed
    141 | August 23, 2009 8:26 am

    re: #138 by LanceKates

    LanceKates and Bob in Breckenridge,

    Received that letter a few days ago from a friend.

    I just uploaded the PDF file to a free file share web space.

    The letter, PDF file (Pelosi_L.pdf) can be downloaded from here.

  142. 142 | August 23, 2009 10:20 am

    re: #141 by Beltfed

    Thanks,I updated the post so that we had the original source, gave you credit for it too.

  143. Beltfed
    143 | August 24, 2009 3:56 am

    re: #142 by LanceKates

    Wow, a hat tip, never had one of them before.

    Now to get an ice pack for my head to bring the swelling down, lol.


  144. 144 | August 24, 2009 9:22 am

    re: #143 by Beltfed

    lol, that’s what we’re here for!

    You’re a member of the blogmocracy. This is your blog.

  145. Becky
    145 | August 25, 2009 4:47 pm

    Thank God there are people out there who are willing and able to so eloquently address Ms. Pelosi with such honesty!

    Thank you!

  146. TheG-Man
    146 | August 25, 2009 5:51 pm

    Right on target, Mr. Guthrie. You were, however, too easy on Sen. Reid. I think he is the biggest embarassment to the state of NEVADA!!!!

  147. Charlotte Democrat
    147 | August 26, 2009 2:52 pm

    Now, Mr. Guthrie claims to have won two (yes, “two”) Bronze Stars in Vietnam in 1971, correct?

    I am wondering how that is possible, since the President in 1962 entered an Executive Order authorizing the Bronze Star, which says clearly that a person cannot be awarded “more than one” Bronze Star. That is the Executive Order under which a 1971 recipient would have been awarded the (“a”) Bronze Star.

    Is Mr. Guthrie not quite telling the truth about his military decorations? Imagine that. A right-wing Conservative with questionable integrity…… Mark Foley, Larry Craig, Monica Goodling, Ted Haggard, GW Bush, Dick Cheney, heck, the list goes on and on.

    Now, I do respect the Mr. Guthrie whose bravery and service won him the Bronze Star, no matter how many times it was awarded. But I cannot respect the hateful man who wrote that nasty letter to Speaker Pelosi.

  148. RoycR1
    148 | August 26, 2009 5:18 pm

    I think each of us should ship Nancy Pelosi a
    broom. Do think she would get the message?

  149. m
    149 | August 26, 2009 7:09 pm

    re: #147 by Charlotte Democrat

    You may want to tell the Navy.

    SAN DIEGO (NNS) — U.S. Navy SEAL, Lt. Nicholas Hill received a Silver Star and two Bronze Stars with valor during an awards ceremony at Naval Special Warfare Command on Feb. 19.

    Fact checked. [by a Charlotte Republican]

  150. Eagle
    150 | August 27, 2009 8:51 am

    This man speaks for a lot of the people in the U.S. today. I to would like to know what her husbands business’s are so I won’t use any.
    As with a lot of the people that put their post here, I was in the Nam as well. Good to hear from you all, and yes I hate the very sound of Jane Fonda’s name.Keep at it folks, don’t let up until after the election next year and we clean up that sewer in Washington once and for all.

  151. Charlotte Democrat
    151 | August 28, 2009 3:40 pm

    Hey, #149, if you are going to check facts, do it right, rather than in a typical sloppy and inaccurate Republican fashion.

    Here is a cut and paste from the President’s 1962 Executive Order pertaining to the Bronze Star, which is easily found on the internet. All you found was an article by a journalist reporting that someone was awarded two Bronze Stars. The journalist probably glossed over the actual facts for the sake of simplicity. Apparently, a second award should be listed as a “Bronze Star with a **** device” depending on exactly what was awarded. Claiming to have been awarded “two Bronze Stars” is clearly not consistent with this Exec Order. Of course, when did a Republican last tell the truth about anything anyway? Had to have been before health care reform debate started.

    Here is the excerpt from the Exec Order:

    3. No more than one Bronze Star Medal shall be awarded to any one person, but for each succeeding heroic or meritorious achievement or service justifying such an award a suitable device may be awarded to be worn with the medal as prescribed by appropriate regulations.

  152. bar
    152 | August 28, 2009 3:56 pm

    re: #151 by Charlotte Democrat

    Take it up with the military.

    from the link by m in #149

    With no shortage of risks facing Hill, he received his first Bronze Star with combat V for actions taken in May 2007 when he led a quick response force against terrorists attacking an Iraqi police station.

    Hill received his second Bronze Star for his many contributions in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom, between April and Oct. of 2006.

  153. Charlotte Democrat
    153 | August 28, 2009 3:59 pm


    You realize you are quoting a journalist, right? That is not first hand info.

  154. Charlotte Democrat
    154 | August 28, 2009 4:01 pm

    All I am saying is, if someone got “two” bronze stars, let’s see them. Because the Commander in Chief prohibited that nearly 50 years ago.

  155. 155 | August 28, 2009 4:14 pm

    re: #151 by Charlotte Democrat

    First, thank you for contributing. I really enjoy having as many differing opinions as possible here.

    Second, I would like you to please answer an honest question (if you are still out there). You stated this:

    Of course, when did a Republican last tell the truth about anything anyway? Had to have been before health care reform debate started.

    Why is it necessary to slip an insult of all Republicans into a discussion with 2 individuals. I have found this to be a typical response though my extensive discussion about politics with my Democrat, Liberal, and Progressive friends (yes, friends!)

    The same goes for the completely off-topic dig about the “health care reform debate”. What was that about? You are discussing whether one can be awarded two bronze stars. What exactly does this have to do with the “health care debate”?

    This is something that my friends often do to me as well. We will be discussing the Iraq War, Israel, or the like and they will -out of the blue- bring up the most recent “sin” of the Republicans but not even attempt to make a logical connection between it and what we are discussing…they simply use it as a supposed insult.

    These are honest questions, and are not meant to be offensive.

    My guess is because most non Republicans have a deep seeded hatred for Republicans. They cannot simply disagree on issues, and be disturbed by their disagreement, but actually take the numerous steps toward actual demonization, and hatred. Its really isn’t too different than “racism”, as it seems that they are simply painting a group with an exceptionally broad brush, and then blame all ills on that group; they cannot see one of that group as an individual but instead see the larger group only. This is just like when a White racist sees one black man drinking beer, and thinks that all blacks are drunks.

    You do the same thing. During a discussion about whether or not one could get 2 bronze stars, you take the huge leap and lump those who disagree with you into the “evil Republican” group who supposedly “lied” during the “health care debate”.

    You might as well just have said: “YOU PEOPLE” are all the same!

    That being said however, your argument (without the “you people stuff”) seems to make sense.

  156. bar
    156 | August 28, 2009 5:49 pm

    re: #153 by Charlotte Democrat

    No, I am quoting from the official website of the US Navy.
    Its not a civilian news report, it is an official US Navy report.
    You obviously didn’t even look at the link.

    Here is the info:
    Story Number: NNS080307-30
    Release Date: 3/7/2008 9:40:00 PM
    By Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Christopher Menzie, Naval Special Warfare Public Affairs

    Here is another who violates your claim.
    1 airman, 2 Bronze Stars

    I guess the Navy and Air force are in cahoots when it comes to multiple bronze star recipients?

  157. m
    157 | August 28, 2009 8:19 pm

    re: #156 by bar

    I guess the Navy and Air force are in cahoots when it comes to multiple bronze star recipients?

    Yeah, what would they know about it.


  158. ptrai
    158 | August 29, 2009 4:01 pm

    whether the subject is 2 bronze stars or “socialism that our founding fathers tried to resist”…..uh during the time of our founding fathers, socialism wasn’t a bad word. It was even a part of the path they set out to travel.

    Point is, people who spew this kind of blind hatred toward people whose plilosophies they are oppositional to…and then have the audacity to say that someone is infringing on their rights of “free speech”, while the same someone who is making that accusation is at the same time stepping on others’ rights by the simple virtue of the fact that those “free speakers” have no venue except to talk faster and shout louder and LIE.

    Wake up, little puppy. Not every one in America is impressed or even influenced by lies and buzz words and just being the one who yelled the loudest. We don’t need to claim that we voted both Republican and Democrat and worked for both parties. We don’t need to claim that we served in the military, received imaginary medals or that we were spat upon by people. All we claim, or need to claim, is that we too are Americans. We get fed up sometimes. But most of us remain tolerant and open to oppositional points of view without finding the need to lie or spew venom. I HOPE YOU GET THERE SOMEDAY TOO.

  159. chuckjuhl
    159 | August 30, 2009 1:30 pm

    An Open letter to Dennis L. Guthrie, Esq.

    I read your Open Letter to Nancy Pelosi with some amusement. It was a rant devoid of substance. Your diatribe reminded me of a quote from William Shakespeare’s “Macbeth” -- “Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.”

    Your rather noxious diatribe on Nancy Pelosi clearly indicates that you do not understand how our form of Government was designed to work. Congresswoman Pelosi represents California’s 8th District, which includes most of the City and County of San Francisco. San Francisco, in case you’ve been living on another planet, is one of the most liberal areas in the Country. Ms. Pelosi is comparatively moderate in her views in comparison to her constituents whom have overwhelmingly elected her to the House eleven times (in every election since 1987 she has received at least 75% of the votes in her district). Ms. Pelosi in fact represents the views of her constituents far more moderately than the majority of her constituents themselves express their views. If you had even a rudimentary understanding of this Country’s legislative process, you would understand that Ms. Pelosi is doing exactly what she is responsible for doing as a member of the House. The primary purpose of the House of Representatives in our bifurcated legislative system is to represent the majority view of the citizens of the members’ districts. It is the role of the Senate to represent the broader views of the States as a whole. Ms. Pelosi is doing her job, and doing it to the satisfaction of her constituents. As a member of the House of REPRESENTATIVES, that is exactly what she is charged under our Constitution with doing. While I don’t particularly care for most of Ms. Pelosi’s views, or those of her Constituents, I can hardly find her derelict in her duties.

    And while I don’t particularly care for Ms. Pelosi (she’s not the worst of the bunch and certainly not the best), I don’t entirely disagree with her comments that much of the disruptive tactics and blatantly false accusations currently coming from some groups in our society are un-patriotic. I never considered the Vietnam War protesters that visited us at Fort Bragg, including Jane Fonda, who used very similar tactics to those now employed by the fringe on right, to be patriotic Americans. I have always considered their tactics un-American, irrespective of their message. Now, if you agree with me that the much of the disruptive, mean-spirited, slanderous and false invectives of many groups involved in the Vietnam Conflict protests to be un-American, how the HELL do you fault Pelosi for condemning similar tactics from the fringe far-right?

    This brings me to another point concerning Pelosi. Ms. Pelosi’s accusations that she was not entirely informed and in fact was intentionally misled during CIA briefings on the Hill is very likely substantially accurate. I doubt seriously that any intelligence agency is going to jeopardize a clandestine operation by disclosing it to a liberal congresswoman from San Francisco. Christ, lying and misleading are part of the curriculum at McLean. No Chief of Station or Case Officer can run his station or his local agents without being adept at manipulating information. There is an oft quoted saying in McLean about dealing with Congress: “It’s always easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.” While even I (being generally law-abiding) in the same circumstances would have been hesitant to fully brief someone like Pelosi, Ms. Pelosi’s version of the events in question is very, very likely substantially accurate.

    Recently released CIA memorandum indicates that several personnel at the time had expressed concerns that they were knowingly violating U.S. law with some aspects of the program, and that there would likely be consequences later. Now when you have a minute of lucid sobriety think about it; if they were aware at the time that there was a very strong likelihood that the operation had gone out-of-bounds, do you REALLY think that they are going to go before Nancy Pelosi, of all people, and say, “We know we’re over the line on this one, but we just wanted to let you know that we’re going to continue this for a while longer.” I mean seriously Dennis; you have to be mentally retarded to think that any operative of any U.S. intelligence agency is going to fully and accurately brief a bleeding-heart liberal member of Congress with a big mouth on ongoing harsh interrogation techniques. That would be about prudent as pinning a sign on his/her back pants pocket saying “Prosecute My Ass.” Sober up Dude. Get real.

    I was no fan of Ted Kennedy, but the demonizing of Kennedy by Rush and others over Chappaquiddick and his past alcohol abuse I do find just a little (well a lot) disingenuous. If the wing-nuts on the right are going to condemn people for vehicular homicide, where is the outrage over former first lady Laura Bush’s 1963 (very likely) DUI-induced accident that killed a high school classmate? Where is his (and your) outrage over Dick Cheney’s past DUI’S – two within 8 months? Or Cheney’s flunking out of Yale? Or Cheney’s FIVE draft deferments? Cheney himself admitted that he had intentionally avoided military service because he had “other priorities in the ’60s than military service.” Would not FIVE draft deferments to avoid military service and Vietnam warrant labeling Cheney as a DRAFT DODGER?

    I have never been able to comprehend how that drunk-ass ignorant draft dodger became not only a secretary of Defense, but a Vice-President! ONLY the self-righteous “conservatives” would pick a leader whose own conduct was so anti-ethical. And only another drunk-ass ignorant draft dodger like Rush Limbaugh would hold Cheney up as a mentor and role model. It’s like Mussolini looking up to Hitler.

    I keep wondering what Cheney’s “other priorities in the ’60s than military service” were. Then I realized that those other oh-so important priorities were drinking and driving! Between 1974 and 2008 I seriously doubt that there was anyone more quietly detested within the Pentagon and at the War College in Carlisle than Dick Cheney. Well, maybe Don Rumsfeld. Even silly-ass Ted Kennedy deserves more respect. He at least SERVED, however ingloriously.

    In my opinion, Ted Kennedy was an asshole and a joke for most of his life. But he was for the most part a harmless asshole. Cheney, on the other hand, has caused more devastation to this Country than a rabid Pit Bull loose in a preschool.

    If you, as a self-professed decorated Veteran, can view either Dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh with anything other than distain, then there is something SERIUOSLY wrong with your thought processes and your loyalties. No officer loyal to the uniform should EVER respect a “Chicken Hawk.” To give respect to a war monger whom actively avoided service (in combat or otherwise) is to disrespect those that did their duty when called and most especially those that gave their lives on the battlefield.

    My point on bringing up Chaney, Limbaugh, and even Ted Kennedy is that if you are going to expend the energy to spew invective insults willy-nilly, at least have some objective, factual basis for doing so. As for your view on what is “Un-American”, would you not concede that intentionally evading the draft is Un-American? If you believe that it is somehow patriotic to evade the draft or evade taxes then I believe that your sense of “right and wrong” is really fucked up.

    To summarize, where the hell is your head, other than up your ass?

  160. Bordm
    160 | August 30, 2009 1:40 pm

    re: #159 by chuckjuhl

    Wow, you sure spent a lot of time putting together an inane rant filled with leftist talking points (drivel), that have absolutely no basis in reality. Then posting it on a dead thread.

    Sucks to be you.


  161. 161 | August 30, 2009 4:02 pm

    re: #159 by chuckjuhl

    very long and thought out, yet useless, purposeless, ineffective and biased-based drivel.

    you are the weakest link, goodbye.

  162. ColGrampaw
    162 | August 31, 2009 6:10 am

    re: #154 by Charlotte Democrat

    Is that the best you can do? Your juvenile effort to discredit Mr. Guthrie is a such pathetic play on semantics.

    As you are apparently an expert on Military Awards & Decorations, I will not dispute your selective excerpt from the 1962 XO 11046. I wonder, however, if you happened to note that the very same language is used on the XO’s establishing most other medals awarded for military valor and service. I can only assume that you are suggesting that the millions of veterans who received multiple awards of a particular medal are being dishonest if they claim to have received more than one.

    Since it’s obvious that you never wore a military uniform in the service of this country, I invite you to come and see both of my Bronze Star Medals, each having been awarded to me upon completion of separate tours of Vietnam. For clarification purposes, only one can be worn at an appropriate occasion, and it carries an Oak Leaf Cluster device to denote the second award.

    Now, since I live about 1,000 miles from Charlotte, it is unlikely that you will accept my invitation to look me in the eye and tell me I did not legally receive two Bronze Star Medals. Instead, as an alternative, I’d suggest that you visit Mr. Guthrie at his Charlotte office and personally tell him that he is a liar. I’m sure that he would be most receptive to your efforts to correct his letter.

  163. sandy reynolds
    163 | September 2, 2009 1:48 pm

    Thank you so much for standing up and speaking up for the wrong that this bunch of numb-skulls in Washington or doing. I am 69 years old and have never been truly afraid of the direction that our world is going until narcissistic Obama was voted into office.. This USA is going to Hell in a hand basket in a hurry. We need to pray some big prayers all the time. I just want them all out as soon as possible. Thanks again for your letter.

  164. RickMZ
    164 | September 2, 2009 4:53 pm

    I see Charlotte Democrat, when presented with facts (from bar), ran away like a, well, democrat.

  165. RickMZ
    165 | September 2, 2009 4:57 pm

    re: #160 by Bordm

    Wow, you sure spent a lot of time putting together an inane rant filled with leftist talking points (drivel), that have absolutely no basis in reality.

    I’m still trying to wrap my brain around the fact that some moron spent so much time writing such a lengthy defense of Nancy Lugosi. That is epic fail. On so many levels.

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