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Czar Wars: Obama’s Unelected Regulatory Chief Pushes New ‘Bill of Rights’ by 2020

by Bob in Breckenridge ( 157 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Communism, Democratic Party, Liberal Fascism, Multiculturalism, Progressives, Socialism at September 12th, 2009 - 8:40 am

This commie crap is almost right out of Mao’s “Little Red Book”. But who’s shocked? Most of realize who is running our government (for now)- Radical elected and unelected marxists like Obama, Sunstein and Browner.
They and their lackeys in the state-controlled mainstream media claim those of us who think this way are way off base, and even crazy, but when you read, in THEIR OWN WORDS, what some of these radical leftists appointed by The Zero™ actually want to do to America, how can any sane person think otherwise?

Cass Sunstein part of effort to change interpretation of Constitution by 2020

NEW YORK – A government that is constitutionally required to offer each citizen a “useful” job in the farms or industries of the nation.

A country whose leadership intercedes to ensure every farmer can sell his product for a good return.

A nation that has the power to act against “unfair competition” and monopolies in business.

This is not a description of Cuba, communist China or the old USSR. It’s the vision of the future of the U.S, as mandated by a radical new “bill of rights” drawn up and pushed by President Obama’s newly confirmed regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein. Until now, Sunstein’s proposal has received little scrutiny.In 2004, Sunstein penned a book, “The Second Bill of Rights: FDR’S Unfinished Revolution and Why We Need It More than Ever,” in which he advanced the radical notion that welfare rights, including some controversial inceptions, be granted by the state. His inspiration for a new bill of rights came from President Roosevelt’s 1944 proposal of a different, new set of bill of rights.

WND has learned that in April 2005, Sunstein opened up a conference at Yale Law School entitled “The Constitution in 2020,” which sought to change the nature and interpretation of the Constitution by that year.

Sunstein has been a main participant in the movement, which openly seeks to create a “progressive” consensus as to what the U.S. Constitution should provide for by the year 2020. It also suggests strategy for how liberal lawyers and judges might bring such a constitutional regime into being.

Just before his appearance at the conference, Sunstein wrote a blog entry in which he explained he “will be urging that it is important to resist, on democratic grounds, the idea that the document should be interpreted to reflect the view of the extreme right-wing of the Republican Party.”

In his book, Sunstein laid out what he wants to become the new bill of rights, which he calls the Second Bill of Rights:

Among his mandates are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.

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157 Responses to “Czar Wars: Obama’s Unelected Regulatory Chief Pushes New ‘Bill of Rights’ by 2020”
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  1. Ed Mahmoud
    1 | September 12, 2009 8:45 am


    Copy and Paste from old thread

    No Saturday thread?

    I saw somewhere that Chuckles, in response to being delinked at Power Line, has called the PL boys Nazi sympathizers who love Vlaams Belang and secretly worship Hitler.

    This from attorneys that are ashamed of Sarah Palin. Which should make them best buds with Chuckles the Fudge Packed Dancing Clown.

    But even they knew he was off the rails, and delinking LGF is all that is required to prove one is a Nazi. Or a Christian. Or believe in Creationism. Or have halitosis. Or wear white after Labor Day. Or pick their noses.

  2. Ed Mahmoud
    2 | September 12, 2009 8:50 am


    San Antonio/Central Texas FLOOD HORROR thread at Grouchy Conservatives.

    Every drought in Texas ends with a flood…

  3. 3 | September 12, 2009 8:54 am

    notice no right to speech, self-defense, or governmental responsibility.

  4. Ed Mahmoud
    4 | September 12, 2009 8:54 am

    Hatch and Lugar voted to confirm this turd.

    Oh, Turd!!!!

  5. Ed Mahmoud
    5 | September 12, 2009 8:57 am

    OK, not third.

    Snowe and Collins did as well, but they are absolutely Democrats and know it, and are moles in the caucus that don’t go Arlene Spectre, probably at Obama and Reid’s request, so when absolute crap like Marxist Medicine passes, they’ll give the illusion of bipartisanship.

    The right to earn enough for recreation?

    Imagine the Supremes, especially the libtards, deciding what adequate recreation is.

    Maybe North Korean style tribute dances in elaborate costumes for Dear Leader…

  6. vagabond trader
    6 | September 12, 2009 8:58 am

    Thanks Bob, this guy is at the top of the A list of Americas most dangerous radicals. He now has the power to do much damage and must be watched. No thanks to congresscrooks and msm.

    He does not believe in the first and second amendments. He is also married to the repugnant Samantha Power, noted Israel/Jew hater.

    Oh yeah, Sunstein is on the short list for nomination to the next SCOTUS opening. We ignore him at great peril.

  7. Locarno
    7 | September 12, 2009 9:00 am

    Notice that it’s a mass of positive rights -- asserting you have a right to things, rather than you having rights from certain things. There is a reason the original constitution was essentially a big ball of negative rights: such rights place limits on the grasp and extent of government. For those who seek the soft totalitarianism of ubiquitously intrusive government, however, a raft of positive rights is an invitation to enact their dreams.

  8. vagabond trader
    8 | September 12, 2009 9:04 am

    Sunstein is not a friend of free speech. He is a totalitarian big gov statist.

  9. mawskrat
    9 | September 12, 2009 9:11 am

    I like shootin small fury animals and hookin them thar fish for recreation. is that OK with the libtards?

  10. Sparky
    10 | September 12, 2009 9:23 am

    re: #9 by mawskrat

    Man, you are sooooo flyover. They have you on GAZE until they are able to stop those fun things with positive rights.

  11. IslandLibertarian
    11 | September 12, 2009 9:35 am

    How about the Right to be left alone by the Government and their Social Engineering.

    Power to the Correct People!
    (Sunstein is so incorrect.)

  12. Sparky
    12 | September 12, 2009 9:37 am

    re: #11 by IslandLibertarian

    Yeah, I think we already had that one, the Left thought it was a bad idea and pulled most of it out from under us.

  13. m
    13 | September 12, 2009 9:38 am

    re: #8 by vagabond trader

    VT, that gravatar email was from me -- I’m trying to help you get personal ~;)

    If you add your email, you can change it to primary and delete the test email I created it with. Then upload a different image.

  14. vagabond trader
    14 | September 12, 2009 9:38 am

    Aw gee, another America hating ex terrorist helped write the “stimulus” bill. No blood relation to Van Jones.

  15. Mashiki
    15 | September 12, 2009 9:39 am

    Those “rights” are even further to the left than what you can see in Europe, even further to the left than in the northern tax-me-to-death Scandinavian countries.

    Very interesting. Makes me wonder exactly why? It may very well end up being that 10 years down the road that the only free places to live in a free economic system will be Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore.

  16. vagabond trader
    16 | September 12, 2009 9:40 am

    re: #13 by m

    On FB? I’ll check it,thanks m, you ROCK!

  17. Edouard
    17 | September 12, 2009 9:40 am

    “The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad…”

    I shudder at this one. It’s always damaging when governments meddle in free markets. It’s further disastrous when governments overstep their judicial purview of “justice” and start dictating “fairness” — which is a staple term of the adolescent left.

    When government begins talking about granting us “the right to what’s fair” — watch out. “Free trade” is in no way “fair trade.” Prescription — read FREE TO CHOOSE by Milton Friedman.

  18. Sparky
    18 | September 12, 2009 9:43 am

    re: #14 by vagabond trader

    If he is a Nirther, Creationist etc.. then any ties to anything untoward would make them unfit for public consumption. But if they are Liberal, the fact they had an IFFY past hasn’t affected their stellar performance, and as such we must only focus on what they have done recently.

    Charles 1:14

  19. vagabond trader
    19 | September 12, 2009 9:45 am

    re: #16 by vagabond trader


  20. m
    20 | September 12, 2009 9:46 am

    re: #16 by vagabond trader

    It will come to the email you have here. That way your image will link here. And I sent the password from a test yahoo account that you will recognize -- check spam. Same password for it.

    Once you approve the new email, you can delete the test one from gravatar ~

  21. vagabond trader
    21 | September 12, 2009 9:47 am

    re: #7 by Locarno

    re: #17 by Edouard

    Exactly.We’ll have to do a work around, in other words totally destroy these commies with little help from the msm or our so called reps.

  22. vagabond trader
    22 | September 12, 2009 9:48 am

    re: #20 by m

    lol, I’ll have hubby do it for me because, you know, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.


  23. m
    23 | September 12, 2009 9:48 am

    re: #15 by Mashiki

    Only if we sit back and let it happen! No way!

  24. vagabond trader
    24 | September 12, 2009 9:51 am

    re: #23 by m

    Nevah! I’m with you m!

  25. Rodan
    25 | September 12, 2009 9:52 am

    This is not a Bill of Rights, this is a Bill of Serfdom. The Elites will control the lives of the masses, this is their goal.

  26. m
    26 | September 12, 2009 9:52 am

    The right of every family to a decent home;

    They have a right to pursue that. Guaranteed, I don’t think so.

  27. m
    27 | September 12, 2009 9:53 am

    re: #6 by vagabond trader

    I missed that he was married to her. Oh hell no.

  28. 28 | September 12, 2009 10:03 am

    Actually, the libtards are just stealing a page from FDR. On January 11, 1944 That Man gave a fireside chat announcing his wonderful idea of a “second Bill of Rights” that would kill the first.

    That Man said:

    The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

    The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

    The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

    All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

    This is why the liberal establishment considers FDR a great president.

  29. Bob in Breckenridge
    29 | September 12, 2009 10:04 am

    re: #6 by vagabond trader

    He is also married to the repugnant Samantha Power, noted Israel/Jew hater.”

    Ummm, isn’t Sunstein a jew? How ironic…

  30. Bob in Breckenridge
    30 | September 12, 2009 10:07 am

    BTW, Glenn Beck is on Fox News right now covering the 9/12 Project to protest the libturd’s massive government spending that is bankrupting us…

  31. Iron Fist
    31 | September 12, 2009 10:09 am

    Are you all watching the DC Rally? I’m impressed. I wonder if the government will listen to them? This is going to be a terribly interesting fall.

  32. bar
    32 | September 12, 2009 10:10 am

    How do you enforce a “right” to a decent house?
    Who decides what is “decent”?
    I think something in the 3million dollar range sounds decent.
    Who pays for it?

    How do you enforce a “right” to a decent living?
    Who decides what is “decent”?
    I think 250k a years sounds decent.
    What if I am lazy and don’t want to work?
    Who pays for it?

    These democrats are beyond dandgerous.
    They are attempting to insure their wealthy ruling class status.

  33. m
    33 | September 12, 2009 10:11 am

    re: #31 by Iron Fist

    *fingers in the ear* *la la la la la la*

    /over half the g’vment

    The others- *ears perked up- hhmmm…*

  34. Rodan
    34 | September 12, 2009 10:12 am

    re: #29 by Bob in Breckenridge

    Rahm Emanuel’s dad served in the IDF. Yet his son hates Israel and his other son Ezekiel supports Eugenics.

  35. 35 | September 12, 2009 10:13 am

    After one posts a comment, what is that ten minute countdown at the bottom for?

  36. Sparky
    36 | September 12, 2009 10:14 am

    re: #35 by Infidel

    I had this problem yesterday, but thinking about it, it keeps one from coming back much later and jacking up a thread.

  37. 37 | September 12, 2009 10:15 am

    Papa Emanuel: “Damn, did I f**k up!”

  38. Rodan
    38 | September 12, 2009 10:15 am

    re: #26 by m

    Just like Serfs had a right to their fields. Provided they followed their Lord’s orders.

  39. m
    39 | September 12, 2009 10:16 am

    Is cj working for ap now?

    UK troubled by violent anti-Islam protests

    LONDON — Violent clashes between anti-Islam demonstrators and Muslim counter-protesters in English cities are worrying the government, with one British minister comparing the disturbances to 1930s-era fascist incitement.

    “The tactic of trying to provoke a response in the hope of causing wider violence and mayhem is long established on the far-right and among extremist groups,” Denham was quoted as saying by The Guardian newspaper. “You could go back to the 1930s if you wanted to — Cable Street.”

    Denham was referring to a 1936 confrontation sparked by British fascist leader Oswald Mosley’s decision to march through the then-heavily Jewish East End of London. Mosley’s pro-Nazi followers were met at Cable Street by Jews, communists and anarchists, and a pitched battle ensued.

    British media have traced recent clashes to Luton, an ethnically mixed town north of London which in March was the site of a small but widely covered protest against the British Army. Bearded Islamists picketed a homecoming parade for British soldiers returning from Iraq, holding up signs accusing the men of being “butchers” and “baby-killers.”

    THOSE protests were ok, when the people fight back THEY are the fascists.

  40. Bob in Breckenridge
    40 | September 12, 2009 10:17 am

    re: #28 by Infidel

    Right you are, infidel.

    The fact of the matter is that FDR’s policies caused the Great Depression to last much longer than it would have if he’d have done nothing.

    It was World War Two that ended it, not some idiotic liberal policies.

  41. m
    41 | September 12, 2009 10:18 am

    re: #35 by Infidel

    Edit time~ in case you notice a typo or rethink a comment and want to clarify.

  42. bar
    42 | September 12, 2009 10:19 am

    Obummer care rally in MH today, given by Obummer himself.

    Tea Party Protest and Rally: Today Mr. Obama heads north to Minneapolis, Minnesota where he’ll attend a rally for his health care legislation. His 10:45 departure is timed somewhat perfectly, giving him a chance to get out of Washington as a crowd of “tea party”-type protesters gathers just blocks away.

    Run Obama, run!

  43. Iron Fist
    43 | September 12, 2009 10:19 am

    Charles, of course, is going off about “Birchers” now. Truthers and communists right next to the President aren’t a problem, but someone who is in the John Birch Society will taint 100,000 people with his foul presence.

    This rally is incredible! It is a cross section of America, not some minor faction that has been meaningless for decades. And look at all the Gadsden flags. When Charles starts to come down from his last hit, he’ll notice that and then go nuts about the Militia being involved.

  44. 44 | September 12, 2009 10:19 am

    A right to recreation! Does that include an all expense paid trip to Vegas! Maybe along with food stamps, the feds can give the single guys on the Vegas junket hooker stamps. Afterall, everyone has their own views on “recreation” and we mustn’t be judgmental.

  45. newsjunkie_ky
  46. orangecrush
    46 | September 12, 2009 10:21 am

    LGF 1.0 and the birchers

    Tiny URl link.

    Van Jones! I don’t think Charles has any credibility in analyzing the far right or fascism. Maybe with the progressives he does. His definitions are closer to theirs.

    All his content is overblown hyperbole and guilt by broad association. It’s a recipe for crying wolf and not thinking straight. But of course you can’t tell him that can you?

  47. Bob in Breckenridge
    47 | September 12, 2009 10:22 am

    re: #34 by Rodan

    That doesn’t surprise me at all Rodan.

    re: #31 by Iron Fist

    I see that that idiot Chuckles the washed-up ukulele player has a thread up claiming the protesters are all a bunch of Birchers. What a fucktard that imbecile is.

    Oops, I see Iron fist and orangecrush posted about Nany’s thread also. GTMA!!! :)

  48. m
    48 | September 12, 2009 10:23 am

    Explaining 9/11 to a Muslim Child

    “We are like you. Islam is peaceful. Complex sociopolitical factors create lunatics who kill people. Please don’t judge a billion people by a few bad apples.”

    Uhm, no. The koran did that. If you get it wrong, god love ya. But they are following the example of mo.

  49. 49 | September 12, 2009 10:23 am

    Aloha Bob,

    Absolutely, Burton Folsom has just come out with a new book “New Deal or Raw Deal” that nails FDR’s hide to the wall. Nobody now has an excuse for defending That Man or the Screw Deal.

    M, thanks. I need all the help I can get in the editing/proofreading department.

  50. 50 | September 12, 2009 10:24 am

    Good morning kids!

  51. orangecrush
    51 | September 12, 2009 10:24 am

    re: #45 by newsjunkie_ky

    Funny but insightful quote by Rove in there.

    Rove joked, “I was the resident hothead in the Bush White House. When Harry Reid stood up and said, ‘President Bush is a liar,’ I’d wanna take a 2x4 to him. But Bush would say, ‘You know what? History will get it right and we’ll both be dead. Who cares?’”

  52. orangecrush
    52 | September 12, 2009 10:25 am

    re: #48 by m

    Koran = toilet paper. yah this is probably what people consider hate speech. I don’t hate muslims. I dislike the religion. I used to like it. 9-11 and the subsequent pandering to violence changed my mind completely 180.

    “Let’s Roll”

  53. 53 | September 12, 2009 10:25 am

    re: #46 by orangecrush

    That cocksucker put that damn redirect in there.

  54. vagabond trader
    54 | September 12, 2009 10:26 am

    Testing, Testing………..
    Does anyone see my new Gravatar?

  55. 55 | September 12, 2009 10:27 am

    re: #54 by vagabond trader


  56. m
    56 | September 12, 2009 10:27 am

    Who’s fearmongering again?

    Seeking to Woo the Insured, Obama Cites Risk of Losing Coverage

  57. m
    57 | September 12, 2009 10:29 am

    re: #54 by vagabond trader

    It takes a few comments to kick in. Hang on! ~:D

  58. Bob in Breckenridge
    58 | September 12, 2009 10:30 am

    re: #44 by Infidel

    Maybe along with food stamps, the feds can give the single guys on the Vegas junket hooker stamps.

    And Viagra, Infidel. Don’t forget the right to Viagra! :)

  59. 59 | September 12, 2009 10:31 am

    I see that economic professor Dr. Charles Queegson is going off on the Birchers for advocating ending the Federal Reserve System. If/when selrahC ever deigns to read a book on the subject he will come to understand that that is a prefectly valid arguement.

    See Murray Rothbard America’s Great Depression. Rothbard goes off the deep end with his Libertarian politics, but he is spot on when it comes to Austrian economics.

    Another classic on the history of the destruction cause by the Fed is Benjamin Anderson’s Economics and the Public Welfare.

    Of course, I don’t seriously expect Nancy to read books that don’t involve sprockets or have pictures of spokes in them. He is just another uneducated leftard.

  60. orangecrush
    60 | September 12, 2009 10:32 am

    re: #43 by Iron Fist

    I’ve met neo-nazi’s at a random event. What they had to say didn’t change my mind about anything. Just clarified to me that that is not me.

    I approach the tea parties the same way. I realize there will be some fringe people there. I don’t mind hearing them talk about themselves. Part of a voting democracy. What Charles is doing here is wrong.

    At 1.0 where it’s a bannable offense to quote the constitution in a not politically correct series of posts, it is probably also a crime to vote if you are broadly associated in any way with the far far right. And you won’t be able to discuss it.

    Far Far left. nadda. not a problem for 1.0 posters.

  61. Bob in Breckenridge
    61 | September 12, 2009 10:33 am

    re: #50 by savage

    Hey savage…Watching the 9/12 project protest? Or are you on the road?

  62. newsjunkie_ky
    62 | September 12, 2009 10:34 am

    I so wanted to be in DC today. Thought it was going to happen, but life has a way of interrupting plans.

  63. newsjunkie_ky
    63 | September 12, 2009 10:34 am

    Looks like a whole lot of people there.

  64. Rodan
    64 | September 12, 2009 10:34 am

    re: #50 by savage

    Our Host has awaken!

  65. orangecrush
    65 | September 12, 2009 10:35 am

    re: #53 by savage

    Lol time to look for a hole in the armor… Next time I’ll just post the url with the cut and paste notice.

    All that gets him is people will stop linking to his site. Good and bad. There are honest reasons people use tinyurl. lol

  66. Bob in Breckenridge
    66 | September 12, 2009 10:35 am

    Uh-oh, Fox is interviewing that creationist nut Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC)…

    /Channeling that ignorant asswipe Chuckles

  67. Sparky
    67 | September 12, 2009 10:35 am

    CJ can’t find a goal or point for the protest. That is because he has no problem with big government. I thought nuance was a natural born instinct in libtards. Guess we gotta spell it out for him.

  68. orangecrush
    68 | September 12, 2009 10:37 am

    re: #42 by bar

    If I were to expand on the type of logic that 1.0 uses… we could headline “Tea party birchers run Obama out of town.”

  69. 69 | September 12, 2009 10:38 am

    Well Bob, the basic human right to Viagra is one I shouldn’t have to exercise for quite sometime. But this does explain selrahC’s turn to the left in the last few years.

  70. 70 | September 12, 2009 10:39 am

    Nancy can’t find anyone at his echo chamber who can explain to him what the Tea Parties are all about. Gee, I wonder why that is.

  71. orangecrush
    71 | September 12, 2009 10:39 am

    re: #39 by m

    I think violence is coming to Europe. It’s either that or islamification. The governments there are too weak to stem the tide.

  72. Edouard
    72 | September 12, 2009 10:41 am

    Birchers? Who the hell cares?

    How much more off-target could CJ be? Birchers invading the 912 rally? Is that really his idiotic take on it?

    His next post should be, “Large Family From Piscataway Attends Yankee Game, Sits In the Mezzanine.”

  73. orangecrush
    73 | September 12, 2009 10:42 am

    I’d like to see Cass Sunsteins published agenda in the whitehouse. He bears watching. I hope Beck is on him.

    It’s a lot of hubris by Sunstein to think he can do one iota better then the original founders. The people back then were exceptional serious thinkers who reached a great compromise that has held up well for centuries.

  74. bar
    74 | September 12, 2009 10:43 am

    re: #68 by orangecrush

    I went through a proxy and took a peek at that thread.
    CJ’s IQ is barely room temp.

  75. orangecrush
    75 | September 12, 2009 10:46 am

    re: #34 by Rodan

    RE: emanuels.

    Kids these days!!! Trying to express their displeasure at their parenting through politics.

    Their dad must have put them through a progressive wringer. One wants to end Israel, the other wants to end people.

  76. bar
    76 | September 12, 2009 10:46 am

    We should get a run down on everything Ron Paul supports and then compare that to what CJ supports.

    I bet CJ is really nothing but a crypto Ron Paul supporter.

    I know CJ fully supports death threats, he has comments that call for shooting certain posters here in the head.
    He supports its so much, he will not allow an apology to be posted.

  77. 77 | September 12, 2009 10:46 am

    re: #61 by Bob in Breckenridge

    No, I’m up on the top of the Grapevine with a return load to the LA rail. Sending love letters to my girlfriend :D

  78. orangecrush
    78 | September 12, 2009 10:47 am

    This stuff by Sunstein shows why we have a Presidential term limit. FDR was getting a little bit out of control. Sunstein wants the power. He would like to be a little Chavez. Probably has the poster in his bedroom.

  79. 79 | September 12, 2009 10:48 am

    re: #64 by Rodan

    Actually I’ve been up all night. Had to boot a scumbag at 2am. haha

  80. newsjunkie_ky
    80 | September 12, 2009 10:49 am

    re: #78 by orangecrush

    Look for sunstein to be the next nomination for SCOTUS.

  81. Bob in Breckenridge
    81 | September 12, 2009 10:49 am

    Oh well, a 1:10 tee time at Windmill Ridge awaits me, along with numerous bogies. :(

    TTYL!!! Play nice!

  82. 82 | September 12, 2009 10:49 am

    re: #75 by orangecrush

    Gee, sounds like a 4’10″ Persian. hmmmmm

  83. Rodan
    83 | September 12, 2009 10:50 am

    re: #79 by savage

    I was sound asleep by then!

  84. orangecrush
    84 | September 12, 2009 10:51 am

    re: #29 by Bob in Breckenridge

    makes sense if they are in to S&M.

  85. orangecrush
    85 | September 12, 2009 10:54 am

    re: #82 by savage

    Yah I bet there is some interesting backchannel chat between the Obama administration and Iran. Obama will get taken to town by dinnerjacket. By Chavez, by Bibi, by Brown, by just about any foreign head of state.

  86. orangecrush
    86 | September 12, 2009 10:56 am

    re: #81 by Bob in Breckenridge

    Have fun, I am envious. my shoulder hasn’t held up well. Can’t swing the club anymore. I enjoyed an early morning tee time.

    Tee time is a tea party.

  87. orangecrush
    87 | September 12, 2009 10:57 am

    re: #54 by vagabond trader

    Cat reading its palm?

  88. justin case
    88 | September 12, 2009 10:58 am

    re: #71 by orangecrush

    oh well it was good while it lasted.

  89. Bill Jenkins
    89 | September 12, 2009 11:05 am

    Cass Sunstein is a loon among loons.

    Since everything in the bill of rights seems open to wide interpretation, the “The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation” would hopefully ensure a free giant 4 wheel drive truck, a pair of wave runners, a 34′ RV, and a bass boat in my driveway….maybe a nice Nitro Z-9 with the 300HP Mercury motor.

    Unearned Entitlements! Woo hoo!

    But…. If I’m entitled to all these things, why would I really have to try hard to do anything on my own? Hmmm. I’ll have to ponder that one between flips of my page on my Yamaha Water Sports catalog.

  90. 90 | September 12, 2009 11:08 am

    I wish I was able to be there today.

    As a consolation prize, I can make fun of that incredible cretin, Nancy.

    Nancy is ranting about a sign at the demonstration advocating the killing of the Fed. He thinks this is some “Bircher,” kook fringe position.

    I guess Ludwig von Mises was a fringe “Bircher” also. That’s the problem with Nancy, Sullivan and their ilk. They moved to the right for a few years but didn’t bother to educate themselves on the fundamentals of the market economy. With nearly every post, Nancy demonstrates his profound ignorance on the basics of a free society. Given that ignorance, it’s no surprise he moved back in with the Kos/Puffington Host crowd.

  91. CloudyDay
    91 | September 12, 2009 11:10 am

    re: #1 by Ed Mahmoud

    I commented on the last part of your post here in the Friday Throwback thread, in my post #292.

    The short of it is that by his obnoxious behavior towards people at his blog, he is even alienating people who otherwise agree with his political views.

  92. Iron Fist
    92 | September 12, 2009 11:15 am

    Check it out! 1.5 million people at the Rally. All Birchers, or neo-Confederates, or Militia Members (actually, under US Law, they are militia members, the guys at any rate. The Militia is all men and boys between the ages of 16 and 60, or something like that. We’re all part of the unorganized militia), and, of course, anti-choicers.

    Charles must be getting his talking points directly from the DNC. Kos ignores the rally, but even he isn’t openly dissing it, at least not yet. Why should he? He’s got LGF to do that for him.

  93. vagabond trader
    93 | September 12, 2009 11:15 am

    re: #29 by Bob in Breckenridge

    lot of kapos out there Bob.

  94. 94 | September 12, 2009 11:19 am

    Chuckles is really on a tear. He has just posted some link on the About the National Center for Public Policy Research’s Project 21. He seems to think that their position in opposition to affirmative action is somehow tainted by accepting money from the evil tobacco companies. I guess being opposed to two such obviously statist violations of individual rights, affirmative action and the anti-smoking crusade, is now a thoughtcrime according to Nancy.

    Nancy is a statist, pure and simple.

    Now he is slandering Robert McCain:

    Sat, Sep 12, 2009 11:17:44am replyquote 0downupreport

    VodkaPundit is linking to white supremacist blogger Robert Stacy McCain at Pajamas Media.

    Someone just posted the link to my Bircher thread there, claiming I said everyone at the protest is a John Bircher.

    Hysteria everywhere

    Let’s see: Vodkapundit and The Other McCain are white supremacists, but the hysteria is elsewhere.

  95. Grimcargo
    95 | September 12, 2009 11:20 am

    Killgorge bloat and Granny bloat johnson on a top priorty mission to discredit the tea parties. Listen Granny Johnson. No one and I do mean NO ONE gives a damm what you think. I love birthers,birchers, BNP and any damm body else who stands against Obama and his islamic pals.

    Oh and Granny I also love Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller. Get your fat ass out on the street and DO SOMETHING! get a job fatty…

  96. Iron Fist
    96 | September 12, 2009 11:23 am

    A message to the DNC and Charles!

    It doesn’t matter what this sign says you’ll call it racism anyway

    That pretty much sums it up.

  97. Bordm
    97 | September 12, 2009 11:23 am

    I wonder how long before this post is deleted:

    361 jms
    9/12/2009 11:16:39 am PDT -1

    I’m really saddened by this thread. It has confirmed to me a fundamental change in Charles’ attitude. I used to feel that were on roughly the same side but I no longer agree.

    I remember the anti-war protests. There were an awful lot of blatently anti-semetic and openly communist protesters. There were signs that said things like “ZioNazi” and “Death to Israel” and “Communism is the ANSWER” and the like.

    For every one of those extremists, there were hundreds of ordinary protesters who simply ignored them and concentrated on what they were there for — to protest the war.

    Now we have a parallel situation, where there are upwards of a million people in the streets protesting the Obama administration, and a handful of extremists passing out unwelcome literature. I’d like to see a poll to find out just what percentage of today’s protesters have even HEARD of the John Birch society. I’ll bet it’s miniscule.

    Yet the irrelevant handful of John Birchers are somehow the SUBJECT — the TOPIC of the only thread on LGF dedicated to covering the protest. Let’s say for argument’s sake that the Birchers have mustered a thousand activists to pass out their literature — which would be an enormous number of leafleters. That would mean that they would be outnumbered by more than a thousand to one by people who don’t care about the John Birch society. Maybe 10,000 to 1 or 100,000 to 1, depending on how many representatives the Birchers have working the crowds.

    Yet Charles and LGF have chosen to define the protests by the presence of a tiny number of representatives of a fringe organization.

    What exactly are the million people on the Mall who are NOT members or supporters of the John Birch Society supposed to be doing? Shouting them down? Intimidating them? Hanging them from lampposts?

    Or ignoring them, just as the thousands of legitimate anti-war protesters ignored the racists and antisemites who turned up at their rallies.

    Given that this is the only thread on LGF about the protest, the subject chosen for this thread is exactly the sort of media bias that I used to come to this site to see exposed and denounced.

    How LGF has changed.

  98. 98 | September 12, 2009 11:24 am

    Go ahead Gus802, make it a “private thread.” It will do you and your demi-god no good. Most folks in the blogosphere have your number already. Also, try reading a book on free market economics so you can at least sound like you have some sense.

  99. vagabond trader
    99 | September 12, 2009 11:26 am

    re: #97 by Bordm

    I wonder why it has taken so long for anyone with adult intelligence to come to this conclusion about 1.0.

  100. AZfederalist
    100 | September 12, 2009 11:28 am

    re: #53 by savage

    That … put that … redirect in there.

    So, does that mean he’s now re-directed tinyurl references or does tinyurl indicate referrer when requesting a link?

  101. vagabond trader
    101 | September 12, 2009 11:28 am

    lol, Jim DeMint: “Welcome to Waterloo.”

  102. Bill Jenkins
    102 | September 12, 2009 11:28 am

    re: #94 by Infidel

    It really boggles the mind how anyone can put up with his cruddy site anymore.

    You are either a Charles cult member in good standing, or you’re a racist kook.

    Because, we all know, if you are associated with anyone else other than who Charles Johnson deems worthy, you’re a piece of garbage.

    Without question, Infidel, you are right about selrahC. She is a statist. Funny how she wakes up every morning seeing nazis and fascists everywhere… and she’s right! Everytime a mirror is presented, there one is.

  103. Iron Fist
    103 | September 12, 2009 11:30 am

    Black Christian Preacher on Fox right now. He’s making a whole lot of sense. How long before he is branded a “race traitor” and reviled by the so-called black leaders?

  104. orangecrush
    104 | September 12, 2009 11:30 am

    re: #100 by AZfederalist

    Ah I bet it is the referer linkage.

    thanks for the smarts.

  105. orangecrush
    105 | September 12, 2009 11:32 am

    re: #100 by AZfederalist

    The web browser will send the server the URL of the refering link. There is a way to spoof it, but I am pretty rusty these day. Just easier to cut and paste.

  106. orangecrush
    106 | September 12, 2009 11:34 am

    re: #97 by Bordm

    Pretty level headed post by JMS. Will it sink in?

  107. Bill Jenkins
    107 | September 12, 2009 11:34 am

    re: #97 by Bordm

    Thanks for sharing. Now it is saved here where it won’t be removed by an overzealous nutcase statist blogger.

  108. Bordm
    108 | September 12, 2009 11:35 am

    re # 97

    And boom, it’s gone.

    Too slow Chuckie, captured for posterity.

    /Maybe you should make all your threads sekrit ones.

  109. 109 | September 12, 2009 11:37 am

    re: #100 by AZfederalist

    Sure looks like it to me.

    But there are MANY web proxies out there! haha

  110. orangecrush
    110 | September 12, 2009 11:37 am

    re: #95 by Grimcargo

    I haven’t read too much Geller or Velaams Belang. but given the 1.0 hate of them and the 1.0 inaccuracies about Tea Parties and Van Jones. I’ll have to give them a look see. I’ve only read about them on 1.0 and it’s all negative. I didn’t think to question it much, but now I should.

    Few Americans understand Europe well except for beer drinking purposes. Europe needs an anti Islamic beer label.

  111. Bill Jenkins
    111 | September 12, 2009 11:38 am

    re: #108 by Bordm

    The complete idiots at LGF do not understand that every freaking word on that website that opposes Charles view, even in a respectful way, is DELETED.

    The guy is opposed to free speech on his blog, plain and simple. If he is opposed to freedom of speech on his blog, the guy would obviously be inclined to shove those views on people in public as well.

    Statist Charles Johnson. No doubt.

  112. 112 | September 12, 2009 11:39 am

    Thanks Bill,

    I probably spend too much time keeping tabs on Nancy. But, he is not just a paranoid smear merchant. He is an ignorant, statist smear merchant. I hope that more of his “minions” wake up, smell the fascism eminating from LGF and leave. By fascism I mean Nancy’s vicious attacks upon anyone fighting to slow the march of statism and Islamism in America and the West. It’s clear who’s side he is on.

  113. orangecrush
    113 | September 12, 2009 11:40 am

    re: #108 by Bordm

    He deleted it? lol? It’s kinda mind boggling that the readership puts up with that. herded like cult members is the only way I can think of to describe it. Cult members are usually happy in their roles until someone or something deprograms them.

    Unless he enjoys it, Charles should be taking pains to avoid it.

  114. Bill Jenkins
    114 | September 12, 2009 11:41 am

    re: #106 by orangecrush

    It will “sink” in Charles head like a super ball hitting concrete.

  115. orangecrush
    115 | September 12, 2009 11:41 am

    re: #112 by Infidel

    I think it’s ok and pertinent to point out the fallacies at 1.0. It makes people more well informed. The threads here scroll by so fast, it’s worth repeating.

  116. Grimcargo
    116 | September 12, 2009 11:42 am

    HEY granny johnson now how many sponsors has Glenn Beck lost now? Gimma an update.

  117. orangecrush
    117 | September 12, 2009 11:48 am

    re: #94 by Infidel

    Sorry Charlie, you and Kilgore have a long deep MO of tarring and feathering a large group based on the actions of a few. Guilt by broad association. Everyone sees it, except for your insulated posters.

    Don’t be so surprised that by falsely crying wolf no one believes you when a real wolf happens by.

    It is to be expected of you to label the Brichers in a group and then paint the whole group with that color. You do it all the time… ALL THE TIME!!! It’s silly. Learn how to analyze facts and determine influence and intent.

  118. 118 | September 12, 2009 11:48 am

    re: #113 by orangecrush

    Herded like cult members is not the image I get about Charles.

    He reminds me of a Nazi concentration camp guard herding Jews into the gas chambers. He has the same attitude also.

  119. 119 | September 12, 2009 11:48 am

    I really have to get some stuff done today. Thanks everyone for sharing and thanks for 2.0 for providing this awesome forum. Until next time ….

  120. orangecrush
    120 | September 12, 2009 11:50 am

    re: #92 by Iron Fist

    Iceweasel gets the DNC talking points. Hands them off to Charles after discussing the best way to implement them.

  121. Beltfed
    121 | September 12, 2009 11:51 am

    re: #109 by savage

    Try this one, it’s safe

  122. orangecrush
    122 | September 12, 2009 11:52 am

    re: #118 by savage

    Charles is like Klink? CatoTE similar to a Kapo? Makes some kind of sense.

  123. Bill Jenkins
    123 | September 12, 2009 11:53 am

    re: #112 by Infidel

    The thanks should be directed to you. That comment, which you saved from the “memory hole” is very well put and reasonable.

    Charles responded by deleting it. What a nice guy.

    Free speech? Not at his blog.

    If he can’t handle a reasonable argument against him, how can he really handle ANY argument? Answer: He can’t. He gives a highly opinionated view on all topics in which he is right and everyone else who believes otherwise is a kook.

  124. Speranza
    124 | September 12, 2009 11:55 am

    Still reading the comments on Powerline regarding LGF. There are some really great posts.

  125. 125 | September 12, 2009 11:56 am

    re: #122 by orangecrush

    More like Sgt Schultz, but John Banner was a hell of lot more fun.

  126. Speranza
    126 | September 12, 2009 12:06 pm

    re: #95 by Grimcargo

    Major LOL’s. “Get a job”!

  127. Grimcargo
    127 | September 12, 2009 12:07 pm

    161 Charles
    Sat, Sep 12, 2009 12:04:40pm replyquote 1downupreport

    This is a real freak show. Even worse than I imagined it would be. The Paulians are completely in control.

    This fool is deranged and beyond help.And I read there just to watch him melt down and he is doing it. HEY GRANNY AMAZON IS HERE.they got your biscuits.

  128. Speranza
    128 | September 12, 2009 12:10 pm

    re: #127 by Grimcargo

    How anyone with any self respect can remain on that blog is beyond me. I do not expect to see Zombie back any time soon (if at all).

  129. Bill Jenkins
    129 | September 12, 2009 12:12 pm

    re: #127 by Grimcargo

    The blogmocracy welcomes the soon-to-be-banned person who down-dinged selrahC on that comment.

  130. Bordm
    130 | September 12, 2009 12:13 pm

    Bloody hilarious, from listening to Chuckles the Clown, you’d think Ron Paul almost won the last election and is a clear and present danger to the country.

    132 Charles
    Sat, Sep 12, 2009 11:58:37am 5

    So far there have been THREE Ron Paul fanatics who gave speeches.

    161 Charles
    Sat, Sep 12, 2009 12:04:40pm 1

    This is a real freak show. Even worse than I imagined it would be. The Paulians are completely in control.

    /Hmm Reginald Perrin, Ron Paul, coincidence or Paulbot?

  131. Grimcargo
    131 | September 12, 2009 12:13 pm

    128. Speranza

    It’s pitiful. Even Realwest who used to be chief arse kisser is no where to be found.
    Funniest thing though is the ones who swarm and delight over the banned ones and then become banned themselves. One example, theres a real puke. Along with Sharmuta,and Iceweasil. Pitiful empty women.

  132. Grimcargo
    132 | September 12, 2009 12:15 pm

    By the way, I was NEVER a registered member of that idiot’s blog. Basically all I did was read at work where boredom took me over. There I started to despise that puke Granny Johnson.

  133. Speranza
    133 | September 12, 2009 12:17 pm

    re: #131 by Grimcargo

    I agree with everything you just wrote. Realwest is really caught in a bind -- all of his old friends at LGF are gone yet he cannot make the break because he still thinks that he can change LGF back to what it once was even though selrahC runs the show, not him. There is is a feeding frenzy over banned posters there almost as if it is the crowd at the Colosseum when the Lions would tear up the Christians. NY Nana I sort of feel sorry for although she was a terrible suck up and bad mouthed a lot of good former LGFers.

  134. Grimcargo
    134 | September 12, 2009 12:25 pm

    You know, Granny Johnson becomes personal when he attacks and tries to tear apart everything that one stands for. That people have died for..that becomes personal. As such it has become personal for me.

    And Oh SHarmuta…I don’t think you are stupid for voting for Obama. I think you were stupid way before that.And becoming worse.

  135. Bill Jenkins
    135 | September 12, 2009 12:28 pm

    re: #133 by Speranza

    Sincere apologies can be made and it would be up to those individuals to accept them or not.

    selrahC is an egomaniac who things he is the Fonz and can’t admit when he is w-w-w-w-rrr…. w-w-w-w—…

    Er, you get it.

  136. Bordm
    136 | September 12, 2009 12:30 pm

    Another comment goes down the 1.0 bit bucket. That’s ok though, I’ll paste it here, for posterity.

    235 chuckoh
    Sat, Sep 12, 2009 12:25:14pm -1

    Obama = Hitler have you forgotten Charles the oh so nasty Bush = (fill in the blank ) signs? I’m curious why do you shank on these demonstrations? Every leftist “protest ” during the Bush era was filled with violent communist, anarchist, socialist, marxist raging representations. This is a legitimate protest by ordinary people who are fed up! I’m starting to regret coming to the site. The links are the only thing I focus on now, ever since you became obsessed with the Birthers or anything religious and now the Tea Parties. Every major demonstration will attract the fringe elements. You used to point that out, now you just bag on regular people. I hope it changes because it used to be an informative sight with varying opinions. Your sight though do as you see fit and so will I. Thanks.

  137. 137 | September 12, 2009 12:34 pm

    re: #133 by Speranza

    NY Nana is a complete self-hating Jew who is nothing but a worthless POS and an oxygen thief. Let her hang out at Babba’s place, those two can both fuck off.

  138. Speranza
    138 | September 12, 2009 12:35 pm

    re: #135 by Bill Jenkins

    I still think that in a drunken moment of truth, selrahC will ban Charles.

  139. 139 | September 12, 2009 12:36 pm

    re: #105 by orangecrush

    The web browser will send the server the URL of the refering link. There is a way to spoof it, but I am pretty rusty these day. Just easier to cut and paste.

    An easier way to not show referrers is to use Firefox and change the following parameter:

    # Type about:config in the address (url) field, and hit Enter
    Firefox will give you a warning, but following these instructions won’t do any harm.
    # Find the network.http.sendRefererHeader property to edit.
    # Double-click that property, and set its integer value to 0 in the prompt.

    Caution, if Firefox updates later you may have to reset that parameter again.

    Anyway you will be able to follow links into LGF without getting that asinine, juvenile redirect page which is SUPPOSED to scare you.

    Referrer logs are mined for marketing purposes on an ordinary website. But on other sites they can be used to exclude certain surfers, albeit with a broad brush .


  140. Speranza
    140 | September 12, 2009 12:37 pm

    re: #137 by savage

    Out of curiosity why would you call her a self hating Jew? She was banned for defending the recently banned “Carl in Jerusalem”.

  141. Beltfed
    141 | September 12, 2009 12:41 pm

    re: #127 by Grimcargo

    HEY GRANNY AMAZON IS HERE.they got your biscuits.

    That is funny. lol

  142. 142 | September 12, 2009 12:45 pm

    re: #140 by Speranza

    There were things she said that made me come to that conclusion. Snipes about Ariel Sharon. Lashon Hara type behavior. Attacking people without giving them a chance to respond.

    Look, I have a lot of emails from her that would make you think about her the same way I do. If you want, I’ll save them all in Word docs, zip them up and email them to you.

  143. Speranza
    143 | September 12, 2009 12:46 pm

    re: #136 by Bordm

    God what a mud slide!

  144. Speranza
    144 | September 12, 2009 12:49 pm

    re: #142 by savage

    No I am not challenging you I just was surprised to read what you wrote.

  145. 145 | September 12, 2009 12:50 pm

    re: #144 by Speranza

    I’ve been on her shitlist for a long, long time.

  146. Speranza
    146 | September 12, 2009 12:57 pm

    re: #135 by Bill Jenkins

    Anyone who comes over here (even though in the past they might have bad mouthed us), I welcome them and that includes Zimriel who came over here the other day. All is forgiven! Another example of how much better we are than LGF.

  147. Speranza
    147 | September 12, 2009 12:58 pm

    re: #145 by savage

    I have to go in a few minutes but can you tell me why? I heard that she is not exactly a lovable New York Grandma.

  148. m
    148 | September 12, 2009 1:16 pm

    re: #137 by savage

    Hey, I like the hell outta Babba!

  149. Speranza
    149 | September 12, 2009 1:25 pm

    re: #148 by m

    How is her health? I still remember her telling me about her 6 guns! I see her posting on Ace once in a while but all she writes is “oy”, like in the Yiddishism “oy vey”.

  150. m
    150 | September 12, 2009 1:32 pm

    re: #149 by Speranza

    I don’t have any specifics as to her health lately, but she’s still a pistol from her linkage!

    I think the reason Savage doesn’t like her stems from the “oymerta” code at her blog. She doesn’t want to talk about selrahC at all. He did, and it didn’t work out (from what I remember- I could be wrong).

    She chooses to ignore them, we choose to vent. Both ideas are valid.

    To each their own~!

  151. Speranza
    151 | September 12, 2009 1:37 pm

    She certainly has a right to run her blog the way she wants to. Personally I’ve found her blog not to be very user friendly. Since LGF 2 was founded as a result of bad experiences in LGF 1, it is natural that people take a certain schadenfreude in the shortcomings and insanity of LGF 1.

  152. Speranza
    152 | September 12, 2009 1:41 pm

    m, rodan, savage

    This was me (posting as Anonymous) on Kirley’s blog regarding future bannings. I must be psychic (or psychotic).

    Anonymous said…

    I predict that Nevergiveup, LGoPs, and Kenneth will be banned soon enough (if they do not self ban).
    Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:05:00 PM

  153. m
    153 | September 12, 2009 1:43 pm

    re: #152 by Speranza

    They killed Kenny?!

  154. Speranza
    154 | September 12, 2009 1:45 pm

    re: #153 by m

    Yes they did! I thought you knew. A few days ago. My predictions came true. We all welcomed him here as a new member of LGF 2.

  155. AZfederalist
    155 | September 12, 2009 1:46 pm

    re: #109 by savage

    re: #100 by AZfederalist
    Sure looks like it to me.
    But there are MANY web proxies out there! haha

    Just make sure you make it more expensive for him to trace than for you to make the links. :-)

    A couple or three cascaded links ought to make things interesting.

  156. Speranza
    156 | September 12, 2009 1:48 pm

    Heading home. I will check back tonight and spend a lot of time past midnight here. I hope I have company.

  157. AZfederalist
    157 | September 12, 2009 1:58 pm

    re: #136 by Bordm

    Another comment goes down the 1.0 bit bucket. That’s ok though, I’ll paste it here, for posterity.

    Funny how it used to be people at 1.0 making fun of DKOS when KOS did that. When I first joined up on 1.0, CJ would delete comments he believed to be offensive or that he thought would cast a negative connotation on that blog (e.g. recommendations to nuke Mecca, etc). At that time, though I found it somewhat over the top, I sort of saw his point in order to avoid having that site labeled a hate site. As time went on however, the reasons for deleting posts and disappearing posters became less and less logical and more and more arbitrary. Slippery slope indeed.

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