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Carter Stooge Zbigniew Brzezinski: U.S. should shoot down Israeli Air Force jets if they attack Iran, calls Iraq “our” (U.S.) airspace

by Bob in Breckenridge ( 157 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, IDF, Iran, Islamic Terrorism, Islamists, Israel, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Nuclear Weapons, Progressives at September 21st, 2009 - 11:53 am

Imagine if Cheney or Rice called the skies above Iraq “our airspace”. The libtards in the state-controlled media would have a hissy-fit. And I guess the worst President of the last 100 years, Jimmah Carter, wasn’t the only anti-Semite/Israel-hater/Jew-hater in that pathetic administration:

Zbigniew Brzezinski: Shoot Down Israeli Planes if They Attack Iran
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

Zbigniew Brzezinski, who enthusiastically campaigned for U.S. President Barack Obama, has called on the president to shoot down Israeli planes if they attack Iran. “They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?” said the former national security advisor to former U.S. President Jimmy Carter in an interview with the Daily Beast. Brzezinski, who served in the Carter administration from 1977 to 1981, is currently a professor of American foreign policy at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies in Maryland.

“We have to be serious about denying them that right,” he said. “If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a ‘Liberty’ in reverse.’” Israel mistakenly attacked the American Liberty ship during the Six-Day War in 1967.

Brzezinski was a top candidate to become an official advisor to President Obama, but he was downgraded after Republican and pro-Israel Democratic charges during the campaign that Brzezinski’s anti-Israel attitude would damage Obama at the polls.

President Obama’s advisors have emphasized that the former national security advisor is not playing any unofficial role as advisor to the White House.

His enthusiasm for President Obama has waned in the past several months. He recently told a London-based newspaper that the United States may be “sliding into a deeper conflict with various segments of the world of Islam ” because of the president’s failure to carry out his promises to the Muslim world.

Brzezinski said the Obama administration is “diddling around” in trying to reach an “evasive compromise” between Israel and the Arab world.

Read the article here


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157 Responses to “Carter Stooge Zbigniew Brzezinski: U.S. should shoot down Israeli Air Force jets if they attack Iran, calls Iraq “our” (U.S.) airspace”
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  1. Nevergiveup
    1 | September 21, 2009 11:58 am

    Birds of a feather flock together. May they all fly into high power wires and fry.

  2. MikeA
    2 | September 21, 2009 12:05 pm

    So he is saying we should protect Iran from Israel… Yeah.. Drug testing for this clown should be mandatory

  3. Nevergiveup
    3 | September 21, 2009 12:07 pm

    JUNE 6, 2008 -Ask many American Jews what they think about Zbigniew Brzezinski, a former national security advisor who served under President Carter, and you’ll receive a multitude of comments of which the vast majority aren’t particularly favourable. These comments can perhaps best be summed up in one sentence. “He’s no friend of Israel.”

  4. 4 | September 21, 2009 12:09 pm

    I look forward to hearing President Obama’s response.

    I hope it is the same as he had for Kanye West.

  5. Nevergiveup
    5 | September 21, 2009 12:10 pm

    re: #2 by MikeA

    I don’t know if he is protecting Iran, he just hates Israel

  6. Nevergiveup
    6 | September 21, 2009 12:11 pm

    re: #4 by WrathofG-d

    Obama wouldn’t say dick I predict

  7. Speranza
    7 | September 21, 2009 12:11 pm

    Brzezinski that aging Jew hater longs for the good old days in Poland where the pogromists knew how to put their Jews in their place. I can see where Mika gets her (lack of ) brains from.

    Menachem Begin referred to Brzezinski as an “ocher Yisrael” which means in Hebrew “Israel hater.”

  8. MikeA
    8 | September 21, 2009 12:13 pm

    re: #5 by Nevergiveup

    Not much of a difference. If I hate someone enough to allow someone else to hurt them badly… the person getting whacked isn’t going to care so much

  9. Beltfed
    9 | September 21, 2009 12:14 pm

    Brzezinski who??????????????

  10. Nevergiveup
    10 | September 21, 2009 12:16 pm

    re: #8 by MikeA

    I’m with ya.

  11. Lincolntf
    11 | September 21, 2009 12:16 pm

    Killing Jewish Airmen is a longtime fantasy of the radical pro-Pali Left. The perception being “if they didn’t have that Air Force, they’d be dead”. Which is kind of true.
    The fact that Obama is entertaining such blatant anti-Semites says a lot about him.

  12. Eliana
    12 | September 21, 2009 12:18 pm

    Daniel Pipes has a wonderful article in the Middle East Quarterly Fall edition about why Israel needs to win a full victory over the Arabs who call themselves “Palestinians” rather than trying to negotiate with them for peace.

    …But who does not win, loses. To survive, Israelis eventually must return to their pre-1993 policy of establishing that Israel is strong, tough, and permanent. That is achieved through deterrence — the tedious task of convincing Palestinians and others that the Jewish state will endure and that dreams of elimination must fail.

    This will not be easy or quick. Due to missteps during the Oslo years and after (especially the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza of 2005 and the Lebanon war of 2006), Palestinians perceive Israel as economically and militarily strong but morally and politically weak. In the pungent words of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, Israel is “weaker than a spider’s web.” Such scorn will likely require decades of hard work to reverse. Nor will it be pretty: Defeat in war typically entails that the loser experience deprivation, failure, and despair.

    Israel does enjoy one piece of good fortune: It need only deter the Palestinians, not the whole Arab and Muslim populations. Moroccans, Iranians, Malaysians, and others take their cues from the Palestinians and with time will follow their lead. Israel’s ultimate enemy, the one whose will it needs to crush, is roughly the same demographic size as itself.

    This process may be seen through a simple prism. Any development that encourages Palestinians to think they can eliminate Israel is negative, any that encourages them to give up that goal is positive.

    The Palestinians’ defeat will be recognizable when, over a protracted period and with complete consistency, they prove that they have accepted Israel. This does not mean loving Zion, but it does mean permanently accepting it — overhauling the educational system to take out the demonization of Jews and Israel, telling the truth about Jewish ties to Jerusalem, and accepting normal commercial, cultural, and human relations with Israelis.

    Palestinian démarches and letters to the editor are acceptable but violence is not. The quiet that follows must be consistent and enduring. Symbolically, one can conclude that Palestinians have accepted Israel and the war is over when Jews living in Hebron (on the West Bank) have no more need for security than Arabs living in Nazareth (in Israel)…

    I’m with him all the way to the end of the article except in the very last line when he suggests negotiating with the Arabs who call themselves “Palestinians” after they have been defeated. The Allies didn’t negotiate with Germany or Japan after WWII. The whole idea of negotiating with the losers of a war is wrong (although it’s definitely a necessity for Israel to win the current war). It only encourages the losers to start things up again.

    Other than the last line of this piece, it is excellent in explaining what has gone wrong in the last 16 years and why (Oslo).

    Peace Process or War Process?

  13. MikeA
    13 | September 21, 2009 12:21 pm

    re: #12 by Eliana

    I agree with you 100%. The Arabs have only understood strength. When they have been beaten, they still claim that they won. Look at the 6 day war as told in Egytpian history books. The only way (I hate to say it) is to crush them totally and dictate terms.

  14. Nevergiveup
    14 | September 21, 2009 12:24 pm

    re: #13 by MikeA

    When was Israel ever allowed to actually crush them?

  15. MikeA
    15 | September 21, 2009 12:29 pm

    re: #14 by Nevergiveup
    True that… They should not have stopped until the star of david was flying over Cairo, Amman and Damascus… then its finished.

  16. Nevergiveup
    16 | September 21, 2009 12:33 pm

    n one of the most bizarre moments, the three 9/11 conspirators who are acting as their own attorneys refused to come to court Monday, FOX News has learned. The prosecution says the men should be forced to attend, even forcibly extracted from their cells, but the judge declined to do so.,2933,553142,00.html

    Fine, so lets just hang em.

  17. Bill Jenkins
    17 | September 21, 2009 12:33 pm

    re: #13 by MikeA

    That’s how all wars should be fought. In this modern age, I fear that the most free nations of the world cannot bear to commit the acts of war that are needed to achieve victory.

    I’m certain our enemies know this. The idea of Iran having nuclear weapons should frighten anybody with common sense. Of course, the left doesn’t have common sense so they don’t care.

    This can’t be allowed to happen.

    If Iran got nukes, I fully believe they would use them. And if they didn’t, they would still use the threat of using them to bully their demands from weak-willed, gutless nations of the world of which we are rapidly becoming one.

  18. MikeA
    18 | September 21, 2009 12:34 pm

    re: #16 by Nevergiveup

    no, no… give them a trial in absentia… then hang em… Got to follow the rules and all…

  19. kansas
    19 | September 21, 2009 12:34 pm

    That’s stupid enough, but TOTUS referred to the US Nuclear Arsenal as belonging to him personally. That sending that moron Allbright around with the US is number two theme. This is not getting better.

  20. Eliana
    20 | September 21, 2009 12:34 pm

    re: #13 by MikeA

    The Arabs have only understood strength. When they have been beaten, they still claim that they won. Look at the 6 day war as told in Egytpian history books.

    Several years ago, I was participating in a forum that had both Jewish and Arab Muslim chat rooms (all in English) and I peeked into the Arab Muslim chat room to see what was going on.

    They were talking about how the Arabs had supposedly won the Six Day War. One Arab woman was LOL-ing herself almost to death about how funny and wonderful it was that the Arabs won the Sinai away from Israel during the Six Day War in 1967. They were all saying that Israel had lost the war.

    Who knows what the Arab countries teach about Israel in their schools (aside from the usual Jewish horns and tails stuff, I mean).

  21. MikeA
    21 | September 21, 2009 12:37 pm

    re: #20 by Eliana

    Have a friend who is Egyptian (catholic) and he told me the stuff he was taught before he left there was amazing… Makes the stuff from WWII the Nazi’s put out tame…

  22. Iron Fist
    22 | September 21, 2009 12:38 pm

    re: #13 by MikeA

    That is why, post-9-11, we should have delt them a blow that they could never pretend was not an utter, unmitigated defeat. Bush made a grave mistake when he changed the name of peration Infinite Justice to Operation enduring Freedom because of Mohammedan objections. had I been President, I would have asked them how they liked the sound of “Operation Orbital Fury”, instead?

    By the way, that camel-sty you freaks are supposed to visit once in your life? It’s probably going to be a few half-lifes before that will be on the vacation menu again…

  23. Eliana
    23 | September 21, 2009 12:39 pm

    re: #17 by Bill Jenkins

    In this modern age, I fear that the most free nations of the world cannot bear to commit the acts of war that are needed to achieve victory.

    The free nations of the world are so influenced by the left these days that they see it as “mean” and evil to win a war.

    This notion has gone so far overboard that the losing (weak) party ends up with all the strength in “peace negotiations.”

    I’ve seen it called “the tyranny of the weak.”

  24. Rightside
    24 | September 21, 2009 12:47 pm

    Life according to bonnie erbe:

    Erbe Equates Conservative Christians with Radical Terrorists

    Anyone notice a familiar pattern like that with someone else we all know?

  25. 25 | September 21, 2009 12:47 pm

    imagine being so anti-israel that it’d hurt your standing with the dems… now THAT’S bad.

  26. 26 | September 21, 2009 12:49 pm

    re: #2 by MikeA

    if only we held politicians to the same standards as baseball players… heh

  27. tqcincinnatus
    27 | September 21, 2009 12:53 pm

    The American Left -- where stupidity is never out of style.

  28. Nevergiveup
    28 | September 21, 2009 12:54 pm

    re: #25 by LanceKates

    But Obama got elected, so how anti-Israeli do ya have to be?

  29. 29 | September 21, 2009 12:56 pm

    re: #27 by tqcincinnatus

    like mullets to rednecks, like anti-semitism to lefties……. these are the days of our lives….

  30. 30 | September 21, 2009 1:00 pm

    re: #28 by Nevergiveup


    look in the article… this guy was going to be in his cabineet until some DEMS said that his anti-Israel stances may hurt obama…

    heh. he’s THAT bad. so anti-israel that it’d hurt obama..

  31. MikeA
    31 | September 21, 2009 1:01 pm

    re: #22 by Iron Fist

    War is hell and needs tobe so we don’t have to fight it but… Some people still want to take whats yours no matter what and you have to stop them. Only way to do that is make them not want to. In war that means destroying their means and will to fight. The Arabs hate the Jews (not Israelis since some of them are Arabs). They will NEVER change since its part of their culture and religion. There is only one choice at this point. The Arab countries must be shown that fighting them is bad in no uncertain terms… Personally that won’t work until they are conquered.

  32. Bill Jenkins
    32 | September 21, 2009 1:07 pm

    re: #31 by MikeA

    I suggest that the USA get off its dependence on foreign oil before that day comes.

  33. Eliana
    33 | September 21, 2009 1:09 pm

    re: #30 by LanceKates

    While campaigning, Obama pretended to be pro-Israel.

    Even now, he is pretending to be siding with the Arab world so much because he thinks it’s the best way to help Israel achieve peace. (Rubbish!)

    He wanted to give a speech to Israeli voters on TV in Israel to explain why it would be good for Israel to have peace (as if Israelis don’t know why peace is a good thing AND as if Israelis are somehow misunderstanding him when he claims he can bring peace to the Israelis).

    Obama seems to have given up the notion of speaking on Israeli TV, however, after some op-ed writers in Israel pointed out that the problem isn’t that the Jews in Israel don’t know Obama well enough. The problem for Obama is that they know him too well.

  34. 34 | September 21, 2009 1:12 pm

    I have returned!

    Has everyone been behaving themselves?

  35. justin case
    35 | September 21, 2009 1:12 pm

    rodan you are famous, defenceman just put a post up all about you on his blog.
    a real nasty one

  36. 36 | September 21, 2009 1:15 pm

    re: #33 by Eliana

    All know except for the American Kapos of J-Street.

    Where being Anti-Zionism is “Pro-Israel”.

  37. goddessoftheclassroom
    37 | September 21, 2009 1:15 pm

    Good afternoon, y’all!

  38. newsjunkie_ky
    38 | September 21, 2009 1:15 pm

    re: #35 by justin case

    Give us the lowdown. I will not give the blog any traffic.

  39. Rightside
  40. Rightside
    40 | September 21, 2009 1:16 pm

    re: #37 by goddessoftheclassroom


  41. Speranza
    41 | September 21, 2009 1:18 pm

    re: #39 by Rightside

    He is such a low life!

  42. Speranza
    42 | September 21, 2009 1:19 pm

    re: #33 by Eliana

    Obama did not even pretend to be pro Israel.

  43. mawskrat
    43 | September 21, 2009 1:19 pm

    re: #37 by goddessoftheclassroom

    and Good Afternoon to GOTC

  44. song_and_dance_man
    44 | September 21, 2009 1:21 pm

    re: #35 by justin case

    Those people are just plain angry about something.

  45. tqcincinnatus
    45 | September 21, 2009 1:21 pm

    re: #29 by LanceKates


    Ahem. I prefer the term “Rustic-Americans” myself.

  46. 46 | September 21, 2009 1:24 pm

    re: #35 by justin case

    And I keep wondering what it is going to take to get me noticed….

    (I do like to make it all about me and all)

  47. song_and_dance_man
    47 | September 21, 2009 1:24 pm

    re: #34 by savage

    Not I, said the Fox.

  48. justin case
    48 | September 21, 2009 1:24 pm

    re: #44 by song_and_dance_man

    anger is good at times as an emotion,
    the crap over there is obsessive stalking, it must have taken ages to collect all those posts rodan made.

  49. mawskrat
    49 | September 21, 2009 1:24 pm

    way OT…had to go downtown on bidnezz and stopped in a fancy joint…..I just want to know who in the heck pays 60.00 for a shot of booze

  50. goddessoftheclassroom
    50 | September 21, 2009 1:25 pm

    re: #40 by Rightside


    I love checking in here and seeing my friends!

  51. Rightside
    51 | September 21, 2009 1:25 pm

    re: #49 by mawskrat

    If it were a body shot on Lucy Pinder.

  52. song_and_dance_man
    52 | September 21, 2009 1:26 pm

    re: #49 by mawskrat

    I went to Manhattan on a biz trip a few years back and the Ritz Carlton wanted 20 bucks for a baked potato.

  53. Rightside
    53 | September 21, 2009 1:27 pm

    re: #50 by goddessoftheclassroom

    I went out today over there, and he mistakenly thought I had sock puppets going! LOL

  54. justin case
    54 | September 21, 2009 1:27 pm

    re: #38 by newsjunkie_ky

    its a huge collection of passionate posts rodan has made in the past.
    i think the plan is to make him look like a racist, oh that bloody word again.
    go have a peek.

  55. vagabond trader
    55 | September 21, 2009 1:28 pm

    For crying out loud, my people went through the pogroms, the shoah, I came of age during the inflation and recession of the C arter years and now in my sunset years I have to live a redux of this damnable mess??? Thanks a bunch you 52%ers!

  56. Eliana
    56 | September 21, 2009 1:29 pm

    re: #42 by Speranza

    Obama did not even pretend to be pro Israel.

    While he was campaigning, he said to an AIPAC meeting (as I recall) that Jerusalem should remain undivided. He took it back the next day, of course, as if he’d misspoken but really meant to be pro-Israel anyway.

    Conservatives didn’t fall for his lies about being pro-Israel, but I think he made an effort to appear to be somewhat friendly to Israel prior to his election.

  57. justin case
    57 | September 21, 2009 1:30 pm

    re: #49 by mawskrat

    wow thats more than a saturday out for the wife and me, drinks and a nice meal included.

  58. mawskrat
    58 | September 21, 2009 1:30 pm

    re: #51 by Rightside

    I had a shot of Jim Beam and A work boots and a cut off t shirt with my cowboy killers in the pocket. I think those office gals liked my shorts lol.


  59. vagabond trader
    59 | September 21, 2009 1:31 pm

    re: #34 by savage

    So, is that all you have to tell us???

  60. Speranza
    60 | September 21, 2009 1:31 pm

    If Defenseman passed gas, Irish Rose would say “Another great wind breakage Defenseman!”

  61. 61 | September 21, 2009 1:32 pm

    re: #55 by vagabond trader

  62. vapig
    62 | September 21, 2009 1:32 pm

    re: #12 by Eliana

    I still think Iran needs to be addressed, as well as the Saud’s. They are the ones feeding these felons!

  63. Speranza
    63 | September 21, 2009 1:33 pm

    re: #56 by Eliana

    He knows that stupid liberal Jews would vote for him if he tongued kissed Arafat’s putrid corpse.

  64. justin case
    64 | September 21, 2009 1:33 pm

    re: #60 by Speranza

    lol. classic.

  65. vagabond trader
    65 | September 21, 2009 1:33 pm

    re: #60 by Speranza

    lol, although the imagery is not pretty.

  66. 66 | September 21, 2009 1:35 pm

    re: #60 by Speranza

    OMFG! LOL!

  67. Grimcargo
    67 | September 21, 2009 1:35 pm

    17. Bill Jenkins

    What you said. And that is the reason so many of us died in the mid stages of the Iraqi war.
    Marines operating on a hair trigger with seconds to respond or be dead had to worry about the politically correct sobs that shadowed every move ie;the embeded press.

    Was that corpse you shot threatening you? Hell yeah he was loaded with explosives just waiting for you to check his pulse. These sorry ass arm chair generals in Washington and wherever need to be muzzled until they get out there themselves and really KNOW what they are talking about. Military do not deserve the treatment they are getting.They have one arm tied behind their backs and now that President Wee Wee is in there they also have one leg dragging a ball and chain.There never needed to be hundreds of thousands of troops. There only needed to be troops with the freedom to make war the right way.The only way to win.

    Bottom line is.We need another Truman.

  68. Speranza
    68 | September 21, 2009 1:36 pm

    re: #65 by vagabond trader

    Everything that Defenseman, Irish Rose and selrahC does is coordinated and don’t tell me that selrahC was uanaware on advacne of Killgore’s stunt he pulled last Thursday night at Hot Air.

  69. 69 | September 21, 2009 1:36 pm

    re: #59 by vagabond trader

    Well, I had a nice weekend.

  70. 70 | September 21, 2009 1:36 pm

    re: #63 by Speranza

    Oh so you have heard of J-Street?

  71. AZRedneck
    71 | September 21, 2009 1:36 pm

    From my understanding of the current SOFA, the US would need the permission of the Iraqi Government to attack.

    Given Iraq’s history with Iran, I think that OK would be a LOOOONNNNGGGG time coming!

    my $0.02 worth.

  72. vagabond trader
    72 | September 21, 2009 1:40 pm

    re: #61 by WrathofG-d

    That was beautiful. Thanks Wrath.

  73. mawskrat
    73 | September 21, 2009 1:41 pm

    downtown ain’t what it used to be

  74. Speranza
    74 | September 21, 2009 1:42 pm

    re: #70 by WrathofG-d

    yes I’ve heard of them If you read Larry Derfner or MJ Rosenberg of the otherwise fine Jerusalem Post -- you will get an idea of what J Street is all about.

  75. kcladderman
    75 | September 21, 2009 1:42 pm

    re: #60 by Speranza

    I followed a link over to Roses site. All I can say is wow. There are a few people over there that need to take a break.

  76. newsjunkie_ky
    76 | September 21, 2009 1:43 pm

    Watch this, msnbc hypocrisy is action. Via Gateway Pundit and Joanne.

  77. justin case
    77 | September 21, 2009 1:43 pm

    re: #69 by savage

    oh i know you did. remember that noise you heard outside your window at 12.30am,
    that was me peeking in.

  78. vapig
    78 | September 21, 2009 1:43 pm

    re: #32 by Bill Jenkins

    Not really -- conquer them and TAKE what’s theirs. I mean, it was US and Brit technology in the first place.

    /Just snarking off considering we already have the means and resources to be self-sufficient. However, I’d really love to kick them in the teeth so they’d never EVER forget it!

  79. vagabond trader
    79 | September 21, 2009 1:44 pm

    re: #68 by Speranza

    The racial baiting was a classic leftist tactic. Judging by the emphasis selrahC has been placing on supposed uber right wing hate signage at gatherings….well connect the dots.

  80. Speranza
    80 | September 21, 2009 1:45 pm

    re: #75 by kcladderman

    We give them reasons for living. When LGF is shut down (after s’selrahC nervous breakdown) -what on earth will they do?

  81. Grimcargo
    81 | September 21, 2009 1:45 pm

    61. WrathofG-d

    That video tore at my heart. Israel survives surrounded on all fronts by evil personified.How does she exist? She exists because she is God’s chosen people. As for me. I stand with Israel. And I belive the majority of america stands with Israel.

    And no matter what people say…I do not believe President Wee Wee will risk ordering our military to fire on Israel.

  82. mjazz
    82 | September 21, 2009 1:46 pm

    re: #33 by Eliana

    Hillary has changed with the political winds also. No matter what Israel does, it will never be enough for the arabs. As Netanyahu pointed out, if dismantling settlements didn’t bring peace, why would anyone think that halting construction in existing settlements would?

  83. Speranza
    83 | September 21, 2009 1:47 pm

    re: #79 by vagabond trader

    That racial baiting by Killgore was repulsive. He is a vicious ignorant pig and if was any part of a man I would punch him in the face and make him resent it but since he is a little girl the thing to do is take away his ice cream. What a putz!

    Anyway I got to go home to my piggish guest for the eweek,

  84. Rightside
    84 | September 21, 2009 1:48 pm

    Pyschopathic handpuppet gloats over his holocaust denial.

    I heard on Rush the other day, one of the drive-bys, asking I’madinnerjacket, did you steal the election? Useful idiots.

  85. mawskrat
    85 | September 21, 2009 1:48 pm

    re: #83 by Speranza

    good luck

  86. 86 | September 21, 2009 1:49 pm

    re: #81 by Grimcargo


    I say, read the Torah, it explains our world…

    …read the Koran, it explains our enemy.


  87. 87 | September 21, 2009 1:51 pm


    Shomer Yisroel….

  88. eschew_obfuscation
    88 | September 21, 2009 1:53 pm

    Hi all!

    Looks like someone is still obsessed with Glenn Beck.

    Seems to me Beck must be doing a pretty good job ;-)

  89. vagabond trader
    89 | September 21, 2009 1:53 pm

    re: #83 by Speranza

    You’re a good soul to overlook your friends less appealing qualities!


  90. bar
    90 | September 21, 2009 1:56 pm

    Careful when you go to the wild rose, her house is under 24/7 police surveillance, encase Rodan tries to hurt her. I am not making that up, that is what this unhinged person claims.

    And P.S.
    She claims she knows how to fill out a request for a restraining order. Now I wonder if she can fill out the forms to the mental institution she belongs in.

    Strange for someone who claims to be so very afraid of Rodan, afraid enough to call the cops, that she would keep stalking him.

    Better call the whambulance.

  91. Rightside
    91 | September 21, 2009 1:56 pm

    re: #88 by eschew_obfuscation

    You know what they say, you take a lot of flak when you are on target!

  92. 92 | September 21, 2009 1:57 pm

    re: #35 by justin case

    Honary Yooper/Defenseman is pissed I know his real identity. He took those comments from me arguing with a Leftist racist.

    This just proves my point, they are going after me for racial reasons. Notice they don’t go after Ace or others that have smack down Charles. I say, just ignore Honorary Yooper.

    They also claim Savage is my minion? Are you kidding, Savage is Savage!

    His Identity will be revealed at an allied website.

    Stay tuned.

  93. vagabond trader
    93 | September 21, 2009 1:57 pm

    re: #88 by eschew_obfuscation

    Beck is laughing all the way to the bank!

  94. Eliana
    94 | September 21, 2009 1:57 pm

    re: #82 by mjazz

    Hillary has changed with the political winds also. No matter what Israel does, it will never be enough for the arabs. As Netanyahu pointed out, if dismantling settlements didn’t bring peace, why would anyone think that halting construction in existing settlements would?

    Obama thought the whole Arab-Israeli conflict was just soooo simple that he could order Israel to halt all construction in the existing settlements and it would jump-start the “peace” process.

    Instead, Abu Mazen responded by creating a list of pre-conditions that he’d never asked of any prior Israeli government. Obama’s move was yet another liberal problem with unintended consequences.

    I’m sure Obama is blaming Israel for his own mistake, though.

  95. kcladderman
    95 | September 21, 2009 1:58 pm

    re: #80 by Speranza

    It sounds like Rose spends most of her time stalking Rodan and Savage.Then one of them over there always refers to them by their real names. They are every bit as whacked out as charles.
    I mean what does she do sit there and watch this site all day waiting for something to misrepresent on her blog.
    Evidently the only people that read it are defenseman and reggie and a couple of people from here. I read defensemans blog and the only comments on it were from rose and reggie. I don’t know if reggie has a blog but if he does I would wager that the only comments are from defenseman and rose. I don’t know what you folks call it but around here that is what is referred to as a circle jerk.

  96. vagabond trader
    96 | September 21, 2009 1:59 pm

    re: #92 by Rodan

    Rodan, we got your back! They are riding off into the sunset,planting their bitterness along the way.

  97. 97 | September 21, 2009 1:59 pm

    re: #70 by WrathofG-d

    I heard that group is funded by Gulf State Arab Countries.

  98. Grimcargo
    98 | September 21, 2009 2:00 pm

    87. WrathofG-d

    Thank you I will pass these along to all my friends.

  99. justin case
    99 | September 21, 2009 2:00 pm

    re: #92 by Rodan

    what do they say, its when no body is talking about you its time to worry.
    ps who is that reggi guy.

  100. 100 | September 21, 2009 2:01 pm

    re: #90 by bar

    Who the fuck is going to be spying on a mold infested single wide mobile home anyways?

    And I’d like to know why that fat assed loser insists on posting my actual name on that shit site of hers anyways? She did it again if you click on the earlier reference to her blog.

  101. vagabond trader
    101 | September 21, 2009 2:02 pm

    re: #94 by Eliana

    Arafat and his heirs learned well from their Soviet puppetmasters. You ask for A, when A is conceded you up the ante by asking for B. The Arab will never be satisfied with anything less than the end of Israel as a Jewish state.

  102. Eliana
    102 | September 21, 2009 2:04 pm

    re: #88 by eschew_obfuscation

    Looks like someone is still obsessed with Glenn Beck.

    Seems to me Beck must be doing a pretty good job.

    Time Magazine has Glenn Beck on the cover this week. He’s sticking his tongue out.

    It’s actually a positive article about him (except for a few liberal lies here and there, which were to be expected), though. Beck is also described as doing extremely well.

    Time Magazine did lie when they appeared to claim that Glenn Beck made up the issue of Obama wanting a civilian force in America that would be as strong and as well funded as the American military. They actually quoted the line from Obama in a video he’d made, but they wrote it as if they were quoting it from Beck instead and that it’s far-fetched.

    Time Magazine does admit that the people of America are ticked off and upset about Obama’s policies, though.

  103. 103 | September 21, 2009 2:04 pm

    re: #95 by kcladderman

    Defenseman will be revealed tonight at another blog. His name, picture and location.

    Let’s get back to this subject,

    The Progressives would love for the US to attack Israel. It is their fantasy, my understanding is that One of Obama’s State Department appointees even discussed invading Israel to enforce UN resolutions.

  104. goddessoftheclassroom
    104 | September 21, 2009 2:06 pm

    re: #90 by bar

    I have not communicated with her directly, so I may be mistaken. However, she seems to exaggerate other’s comments to paint herself as a victim of unkind attacks--at least, that’s how she’s described one of my comments--which was a response to her initial twisted comment about me!

  105. 105 | September 21, 2009 2:06 pm

    re: #103 by Rodan

    IrishFatTubOfShit will be very angry with you!

  106. Carolina Girl
    106 | September 21, 2009 2:06 pm

    re: #68 by Speranza

    Actually I think HWWNBN did admit that Trout had “hinted” that he was going to do it ahead of time.

    Shoulda been banned for it. Wasn’t. You can bet if you, or I, or Fist had done it, the we’d have gotten the business end of the pointy banning stick.

  107. Iron Fist
    107 | September 21, 2009 2:07 pm

    re: #56 by Eliana

    Bluntly, if Obama were completely open about his disdain for Israel, and his personal affinity to the Palestinians, the majority of the Jews would still have voted for him. If he proclaimed he desired a Judenrein Palestine from the River to the Sea, it might cost him a few points in the polls.

    If he appeared on stage with some Nazi relic and proclaimed his allegiance to refounding the Third Reich, I have no doubt that he’d still win more Jewish votes than the Republican.

    It is like the black vote going Democrat. Objectively, it makes no sense. The Republicans ended slavery, the Democrats were for it. The Democrats of the Democrat Solid South were for seggregation. Orvil Faubus, Bull Connor, and all the nastiest people from the seggregation era were Democrats. Eisenhauer sent in the troops to enforce deseggregation . Eisenhauer was a Republican. Yes, a Democrat President signed the various Civil Rights laws, but they were passed with more Republican votes than Democrat votes.

    George Bush, in 2000, reached out to the black vote more than any Presidential Candidate has (except maybe Jesse Jackson). The NAACP responded by running ads essentially claiming he was an undicted co-conspirator to a lynching. Despite this, he put African-Americans into more positions of real power than any President ever, and that includes the current Administration.

    More blacks voted against him than has ever been done in history.

    At some point, you have to stop trying to understand things, and just accept that that is the way they are. And go on.

  108. 108 | September 21, 2009 2:09 pm

    re: #99 by justin case

    Reggie, is another I will expose also. He’s from Windsor Canada and is a regular at Think Progress. He’s Far Left and has been stalking me for a year and half. He once claimed he was going to have Bush arrested on War Crimes. He also claims he was going to bring down O’Reilly.
    He also said the US deserved 9/11.

    A little info I can give on him: He’s a convicted Pedophile.

    I say we ignore them and they proved my point. They are racists and bigots.

  109. mawskrat
    109 | September 21, 2009 2:10 pm

    Irish Rose must fear the

    ////jus kidden

  110. Eliana
    110 | September 21, 2009 2:11 pm

    re: #101 by vagabond trader

    Arafat and his heirs learned well from their Soviet puppetmasters. You ask for A, when A is conceded you up the ante by asking for B. The Arab will never be satisfied with anything less than the end of Israel as a Jewish state.

    Quite true!

    Actually, if you’ve noticed lately — Israel’s government spokespeople are starting to point out that one of the biggest problems in getting a peace agreement with Abu Mazen and company is that they will never agree that the agreement would mark the END of the conflict.

    The words “end of conflict” are coming up a lot (in addition to Israel’s demand that the Arabs recognize Israel’s right to exist as the National Jewish Homeland and limit any new Arab state called “Palestine” to be a completely de-militarized state).

    Arafat made it crystal clear in 2000 that no peace agreement with him would include the stipulation that the conflict was now ended. He/they always want to be allowed to come back for more (no matter what they might ever sign).

    There was never going to be a peace agreement and I don’t think there will ever be one unless Israel vanquishes the Arabs who call themselves “Palestinians” so completely that they don’t have anyone from Fatah or Hamas (or Islamic Jihad, etc.) left to sign it.

  111. Iron Fist
    111 | September 21, 2009 2:12 pm

    re: #103 by Rodan

    In generqal I don’t approve of “outing” people. There are many, many valid reasons to keep your identity private on the Net. But they seem to be asking for it with their continual posts doing just that. What they are doing isn’t, I guess, illegal, but it is unethical as hell. I wonder what their real motivation is? With Charles I’d say the endless blogwar with the Right is going to cost him traffic and ad revenue, so I could see where he would want to shut up dissenters, I guess, but what is it to these losers?

  112. justin case
    112 | September 21, 2009 2:12 pm

    re: #108 by Rodan

    blimey mate you got some right weirdos on your case, how do you attract them,
    maybe its your after shave or something, lol,

  113. vagabond trader
    113 | September 21, 2009 2:14 pm

    re: #103 by Rodan

    That would be Samantha Power, married to the equally reprehensible Cass Sunstein.

  114. 114 | September 21, 2009 2:16 pm

    re: #107 by Iron Fist

    I feel the GOP should focus on the Hispanic vote. In 2004 Bush got 44% of the Latin vote. Even after all the name calling of Republicans as racists, McCain got 31% of the Hispanic vote. The Republicans will never get a majority of teh Hispanic vote because a large chunk is brainwashed in NY, Illinois and California. However getting 40-45% is enough to put the Dems away. Uppser and Middle Class Hispanics are the Democrats Achilles heel.

  115. 115 | September 21, 2009 2:16 pm

    re: #101 by vagabond trader

    See The PLO Phased Plan.

    Its not hidden.

  116. Grimcargo
    116 | September 21, 2009 2:17 pm

    With the personality and character of Irish Rose you can bet you are not the first person she has zeroed in on…and I bet the cops where she lives know her very well.

    And the thing that absolutely nullifies her case against you Roden is the fact that she keeps on poking the hornets nest. That cuts her off at the knees.

  117. bar
    117 | September 21, 2009 2:18 pm

    re: #100 by savage

    The mold police, maybe?

    re: #104 by goddessoftheclassroom

    I remember that. She has no choice but to twist your comments in order to produce her false claims, otherwise there is nothing for her to attack. Tactics that mirror what LGF does in their attacks of Robert, Pam, Glen, etc.. ect..

  118. vagabond trader
    118 | September 21, 2009 2:18 pm

    re: #110 by Eliana

    Agree 100% The old cliche’ holds true. If the Arabs put down their weapons there would be peace. If Israel put down their weapons there would no longer be an Israel.

  119. 119 | September 21, 2009 2:19 pm

    re: #113 by vagabond trader

    That’s her!

    re: #111 by Iron Fist

    They outed me and now that I have Defenseman/Honorary Yoopers info, My ally will out him. He’s a weirdo who was involved with some fictional Highway creation online. It’s some strange stuff I found on Yooper. Plus he looks like some Fat old Dork.

  120. Carolina Girl
    120 | September 21, 2009 2:19 pm

    I’m sure that if Israel had lost the Six-Day War (and praise the Lord they didn’t), I’m sure the Arabs would have taken over the Israeli lands. And of course the world would have forced the Arabs to give it back.

    As far as I’m concerned, Israel won that land fair and square -- they shouldn’t have had to give anything back to perpetuate the supposed Palestinian myth.

  121. 121 | September 21, 2009 2:21 pm

    re: #116 by Grimcargo

    Notice she goes after only me! Others here have said worse about her. It’s clearly a racist reason why. Progressives like her hate Latins like me that don’t bow to them. In her my mind I am a spic who is out of line.

  122. 122 | September 21, 2009 2:21 pm

    re: #117 by bar

    The Blogmocracy warmly invites any of its detractors to come here and voice their disagreement “face-to-face” to those whom they attack.

    This includes any of the “lizardoids”, or those whom Admin any of the other Blogmocracy stalker blogs.

    Don’t be cowards!

  123. Eliana
    123 | September 21, 2009 2:22 pm

    re: #107 by Iron Fist

    Some/many liberal Jews are coming around one at a time, though. It’s an incredibly slow process, but I’m a former Jewish liberal myself and I know many others. We’re all proud to be conservative Jews now.

    It’s dramatic when liberal Jews wake up and become conservatives. Unlike CJ, we don’t turn back once we’ve become conservatives, though.

    There’s a wonderful YouTube video by Evan Sayet (a former liberal NY Jew who is now a conservative humorist/pundit.)

    It’s a bit lengthy (48 minutes) but he does explain the main problem with modern liberalism in this speech.

    HERITAGE FOUNDATION: “How Modern Liberals Think”

  124. goddessoftheclassroom
    124 | September 21, 2009 2:22 pm

    BBL--take care!

  125. gardengirl
    125 | September 21, 2009 2:22 pm

    re: #108 by Rodan

    You are right. We should ignore them and then that stupid little blog will have only 2 comments. They want to goad you into losing your temper. They want a blog war. Let them argue among themselves. We get the last laugh.

  126. 126 | September 21, 2009 2:23 pm

    re: #105 by savage

    Honorary Yooper is Defenseman. Their buddy Reggie let it slip out last week by mistake.
    I will call you later and tell you his real anme and location.

  127. vagabond trader
    127 | September 21, 2009 2:24 pm

    re: #120 by Carolina Girl

    I believe that every square inch they “won” already belonged to Israel according to the original UN partition.

    Arab squatters out!!

  128. 128 | September 21, 2009 2:24 pm

    re: #125 by gardengirl

    I am more focused on tonight’s game on Monday Night Football than the Irish Rose-Honorary Yooper show.

    I am going to let an ally handle them.

  129. vagabond trader
    129 | September 21, 2009 2:25 pm

    re: #115 by WrathofG-d

    They will never ever change and I see no value in these charades Israel is required to play.

  130. Iron Fist
    130 | September 21, 2009 2:25 pm

    re: #114 by Rodan

    I agree. It is simply a waste of time for the GOP to try and reach out to the black community. Certainly, where you have good, qualified people who happen to be black you put them in the positions that they are qualified for (I think both Powell and Rice did as good as anyone could have done with the entrenched beaurocracy at State. I don’t know what, short of firing the whole department, top to bottom, and hiring a completely new State Department, can be done), but outreach to the entire community looks like a waste of time. We are better cultivating the Hispanic community where they will at least listen to us.

    That isn’t a good answer. It isn’t what I’d like to be true. Give the GOP 25%, just 25% of the black vote and the Republicans own the White House and both houses of Congress. But that isn’t going to happen for the foreseeable future.

  131. 131 | September 21, 2009 2:26 pm

    re: #126 by Rodan


  132. 132 | September 21, 2009 2:26 pm

    re: #120 by Carolina Girl

    Personally, I am beginning to see the Arab-Israel conflict as nothing more than a test between G-d and Am Israel regarding Faith.

    He stated that he would give Jews the land (He did), and that we would be gathered in (we were), then He gave Jews great victories for further proof….

    When all the eyes, and hearts of Am Israel look towards Tzion, and know of G-d, and our rightful place…the war will end!

    The Arabs have never defeated Israel, it has ALWAYS been the people of Israel themselves. It was Israel that allowed the PLO, it was Israel itself that allowed Gaza, it was Israel itself that gave away land…

    We cannot be defeated, we can only defeat ourselves. Just like we did when the 2nd Temple was destroyed and we were sent into The Nations.

  133. 133 | September 21, 2009 2:27 pm

    re: #129 by vagabond trader

    see 132.

  134. 134 | September 21, 2009 2:29 pm

    re: #132 by WrathofG-d

    It’s also part of Islam’s Imperialist ideology. If Israel were gone, they will go for Spain and Sicily next. It is spiritual and the Israelis need to have faith in God and not an ally.

  135. vagabond trader
    135 | September 21, 2009 2:29 pm

    re: #119 by Rodan

    Power and her lunatic husband need more exposure by the good guys. A post is in order!

    OT Holy cats, Beck is skewering Hussein with his connections to ACORN and SEIU all on vid.

  136. Eliana
    136 | September 21, 2009 2:30 pm

    re: #127 by vagabond trader

    I believe that every square inch they “won” already belonged to Israel according to the original UN partition.

    You’re correct except that it was the Palestine Mandate incorporated into the UN Charter from the League of Nations.

    The whole area is the land for the Jewish National Homeland according to the Palestine Mandate and it was incorporated into the UN when the UN was founded.

    Any claims about “Palestinian land” anywhere in Judea, Samaria or eastern Jerusalem are bunk.

  137. 137 | September 21, 2009 2:32 pm

    re: #130 by Iron Fist

    Hispanics are no different than thei Italian Cousins or the Irish, Polish and other Catholic Immigrants that came before them. That is why it bothers me when they call us a minority or an oppressed group. We are Immigrants and in time as we move up the economic scales, the GOP’s message of Economic Opportunity becomes appealinmg.

    All of the other Catholic Immigrant Groups were once heavily Democrat, now they Lean GOP or are swing voters. The same will be with Hispanics.

  138. vagabond trader
    138 | September 21, 2009 2:33 pm

    re: #132 by WrathofG-d

    Wrath, I just finished reading “Jerusalems Traitor,Josephus,Masada, and the Fall of Judea.” The exact same thoughts crossed my mind while reflecting on this book.Just as valid today as 2000 years ago.

  139. Iron Fist
    139 | September 21, 2009 2:34 pm

    re: #123 by Eliana

    Thanks! Personally, most conservative positions are just practical common sense. The idea that free people, unencumbered by the restrictions of a powerful government can produce more wealth is not really a new idea. It has been tested, mostly in reverse, in many places. An un-free society deginerates and ultimately falls, and it produces lower standards of living for its citizens in the process. Socialism has been tried all over the world in the last 100-150 years, and it has failed everywhere it has been tried.

    Where conservatives fail is where they don’t live up to their ideals. Freedom for all means that some people are going to make decisions you disagree with. That is their right. Back in the early ’90s I had a friend who was a libertarian. She argued that the freedom to fail was as essential to liberty as any other freedom. Certainly, the nanny state that cossets you cradel to the grave is a dead end for both the individual and the society.

    Congratulations on coming over to the Dark Side! Bring all your friends!


  140. vagabond trader
    140 | September 21, 2009 2:35 pm

    re: #136 by Eliana

    Thank you for that correction, I knew my history was faulty!

  141. Iron Fist
    141 | September 21, 2009 2:39 pm

    re: #136 by Eliana

    I have always seen it as the rankest of hypocracy (and willful ignorance) for the people who claim that the “Palestinians” have a deep historical tie to the land of “Palestine” turn around and parrot the “Palestinian” demand for a Jew-free Judea.

    Words fail me. You simply can’t take such people seriously.

  142. song_and_dance_man
    142 | September 21, 2009 2:43 pm

    re: #116 by Grimcargo

    There should be a law against hooking up the internet to trailers.

  143. vagabond trader
    143 | September 21, 2009 2:45 pm

    re: #142 by song_and_dance_man

    Hey, I’ve been in some pretty luxe campers!


  144. Eliana
    144 | September 21, 2009 2:46 pm

    re: #139 by Iron Fist

    Congratulations on coming over to the Dark Side! Bring all your friends!

    Thanks! :-)

    Actually, I’ve been a conservative since October 2001.

    I have a good friend from Manhattan who became a conservative Jew in the mid-1980s. He started reading about the history of the Arab world and visiting various Arab countries. This personal research flipped him decisively to the right. He finally understood at that point what Israel was up against.

    It’s common sense, as you said!

  145. Grimcargo
    145 | September 21, 2009 2:52 pm

    142. song_and_dance_man

    O what a visual I get of in the dead of night someone MOVING her. hahahah

  146. Eliana
    146 | September 21, 2009 2:54 pm

    re: #141 by Iron Fist

    I have always seen it as the rankest of hypocracy (and willful ignorance) for the people who claim that the “Palestinians” have a deep historical tie to the land of “Palestine” turn around and parrot the “Palestinian” demand for a Jew-free Judea.


    Jews are quite literally “The Judeans” (in English) yet it’s become the left wing mantra that Judea needs to be “Judean-free” (free of “The Judeans”).

    It’s insanity!

  147. 147 | September 21, 2009 2:54 pm

    I have only gotten about 3:44 in on this clip, but so far so good, I think you all might find it very intersting.

    If it goes sour hereafter…(shrugs shoulders)…sorry!

    Let’s discuss:

  148. Eliana
    148 | September 21, 2009 2:57 pm

    re: #140 by vagabond trader

    You were closer to the truth than I’ve been about this until very recently.

    Most people don’t realize that the Palestine Mandate still designates all the land as the Jewish Homeland because it’s still part of the UN Charter. I didn’t know this either until a few months ago.

  149. vagabond trader
    149 | September 21, 2009 2:59 pm

    re: #145 by Grimcargo

    Sounds like a Jerry Springer episode.

  150. vagabond trader
    150 | September 21, 2009 3:35 pm

    re: #147 by WrathofG-d

    I watched most of this wrath. This young man should be commended but isn’t everything he so painstakingly endeavored the duty of the UN?It never ceases to amaze that immunization, clean water and other basics are considered miraculous?

    Lovely sentiment but I’m too old and cynical to be enthusiastic about small steps that should have been taken decades ago.

  151. GGMac
    151 | September 21, 2009 3:45 pm

    re: #61 by WrathofG-d

    Wrath, is this prayers for kidnapped/murdered IDF soldiers? So moving.

    I’m sure you know there many Christians like myself who have Israel in our prayers every day.

  152. 152 | September 21, 2009 3:52 pm

    re: #150 by vagabond trader

    Yes, everything you say is correct. What I find most interesting is how stuck in their ways, and unable the Arabs were to get past their hatred.

    A guy comes in and says let’s have peace, and the Arabs say “but you showed a Jew!”


  153. GGMac
    153 | September 21, 2009 4:03 pm

    re: #113 by vagabond trader

    Yes- Samantha Powers published her stance that the United States should send troops into Israel to protect the Palestinians from the IDF. I don’t know specifically when this was her public opinion; I came accross it while doing extensive Obama research during the campaign. Can’t give the link off hand -- it’s in one of six copy-paper sized boxes of research results re: Obama/family/associates.

  154. vagabond trader
    154 | September 21, 2009 5:18 pm

    re: #152 by WrathofG-d

    lol, they are Arabs Wrath, what do we expect? It’ll take divine intervention to sort this out I’m afraid.

  155. vagabond trader
    155 | September 21, 2009 5:18 pm

    re: #114 by Rodan

    I agree!

  156. Speranza
    156 | September 21, 2009 6:01 pm

    re: #89 by vagabond trader

    I have my moments!

  157. 157 | September 21, 2009 8:06 pm

    Brezinski’s latest remarks make him out to be amalek. He is a real rodef.

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