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Link Dump

by Kafir ( 481 Comments › )
Filed under Afghanistan, Egypt, Germany, Israel, Links, Open thread, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia at October 7th, 2009 - 10:06 am

French gay soccer team snubbed by Muslim team
My guess is they were scared of getting beat by them.

‘American Qur’an’ blends US life, Quranic verses

German raids target ‘violent Islamic extremists’

Sociologists demand fatwa to criminalize domestic violence

If You Don’t Get Islamic Ideology, You Don’t Get the Problem in Afghanistan

Pakistan’s military concerned over US aid bill

Analysis: Can and should Israel outlaw the Islamic Movement?

Gadget to help women feign virginity angers many in Egypt

Reporting from Cairo – Whether it’s seen as a clever little gadget to help a woman keep a secret or a devilish deception that threatens Islam, the Artificial Virginity Hymen Kit is not welcome in Egypt.

The kit allows a bride who is not a virgin to pretend that she is. A pouch inserted into the vagina on her wedding night ruptures and leaks a blood-like liquid designed to trick a new husband into believing that his wife is chaste. It’s a wink of ingenuity to soothe a man’s ego and keep the dowry intact.

Diana West: Losing our way to victory

And what war would that be? Since 9/11, the answer to this question has eluded our leaders, civilian and military, but it remains the missing link to a cogent U.S. foreign policy.

It is not, as our presidents vaguely in-voke, a war against “terrorism,” “radicalism” or “extremism”; and it is not, as the current hearts-and-minds-obsessed Af-ghanistan commander calls it, “a struggle to gain the support of the (Afghan) people.” It is something more specific than presidents describe, and it is something larger than the outlines of Iraq or Afghanistan. The war that has fallen to our generation is to halt the spread of Islamic law (Sharia) in the West, whether driven by the explosive belts of violent jihad, the morality-laundering of petro-dollars or decisive demographic shifts.

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  1. MikeA
    1 | October 7, 2009 10:20 am

    With these links I don’t know where to start. The refusal to play the gay soccer team is funny. If that happened in the US and the team was Christian, you wouldn’t hear the end of the bigot remarks. Now the Liberals heads explode cause two groups they support, one hates the other. Whats a modern liberal to do.


  2. Empire1
    2 | October 7, 2009 10:23 am

    Hello, everyone! Windy as the dickens here, but warm — pretty nice overall, but not the kind of weather I really want to be out in doing pre-winter cleanup in the flowerbeds and garden. My hat keeps blowing off!


  3. ratso
    3 | October 7, 2009 10:27 am

    notice chuckie just outed savage over at 1.0


  4. mawskrat
    4 | October 7, 2009 10:28 am

    butt….does the gayhad soccer team have thier own jet airplane?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po1TsgvOoOY


  5. Number6
    5 | October 7, 2009 10:31 am

    re: #1 by MikeA

    Ignore it like it never happened. It works for them every time.


  6. Rides A Pale Horse
    6 | October 7, 2009 10:32 am

    Would someone please ask Goddess to add this to her prayer list for me?

    My nieces’ husband

    Sgt Joseph Connor
    5/2 SBCT (Stryker Brigade Combat Team) 2-1
    Kandahar, Afghanistan

    And his unit:
    http://www.strykernews.com/archives/cat_52_sbct.html
    Taking heavy casualties since deployment in June/July


  7. Nikis Knight
    7 | October 7, 2009 10:33 am

    “If You Don’t Get Islamic Ideology, You Don’t Get the Problem in Afghanistan ” Excellent post by Andy McCarthy! Must read.


  8. snork
    8 | October 7, 2009 10:35 am

    re: #3 by ratso

    Not the first time.


  9. m
    9 | October 7, 2009 10:38 am

    re: #3 by ratso

    Again?


  10. snork
    10 | October 7, 2009 10:38 am

    Queeg’s totally off his meds. I say that rednecks with guns can protect Zombie against stalkers, and he says I’m threatening his life. Savage says that he needs to be “destroyed” (professionally), and he says Savage is threatening his life.

    Is there a shrink in the room?


  11. mawskrat
    11 | October 7, 2009 10:38 am

    re: #7 by Nikis Knight

    Hugh fitzgerald has a great post on Afghanistan at Jihad watch,

    Fitzgerald: Building That Bridge Over The River Kwai, Or, Why Are We In Afghanistan?

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/02/fitzgerald-building-that-bridge-over-the-river-kwai-or-why-are-we-in-afghanistan.html

    he has been on this for a long time


  12. 12 | October 7, 2009 10:46 am

    re: #2 by Empire1

    90 degree and sunny here in Tampa, FL!


  13. Cheesehead
    13 | October 7, 2009 10:46 am

    re: #10 by snork

    Paging Dr. Moe…Dr. Moe…please pick up the red phone. Paging Dr. Moe…


  14. 14 | October 7, 2009 10:48 am

    re: #9 by m

    Yup, he did it again.


  15. Cheesehead
    15 | October 7, 2009 10:49 am

    re: #12 by Rodan

    Thanks, really needed to hear that! This coming weekend here in Milwaukee: highs in 40′s and lows in the 30′s. Chance of snow showers on Sunday. Again Rodan, thanks! LOL


  16. Beltfed
    16 | October 7, 2009 10:50 am

    Maybe it’s just me, but does anyone else here get the strange feeling that some creatures are always “Peeking on you”


  17. Iron Fist
    17 | October 7, 2009 10:50 am

    re: #10 by snork

    It’s the meth. It makes him paranoid.


  18. 18 | October 7, 2009 10:50 am

    re: #10 by snork

    What do you expect from a liar? He clearly is a deranged man!


  19. 19 | October 7, 2009 10:50 am

    re: #15 by Cheesehead

    Sorry!


  20. 20 | October 7, 2009 10:52 am

    re: #16 by Beltfed

    ROFLMAO!!


  21. Rightside
    21 | October 7, 2009 10:53 am

    re: #15 by Cheesehead

    lol, when in wisconsin, freeze like wisconson-ites?


  22. Bunk X
    22 | October 7, 2009 10:55 am

    re: #16 by Beltfed
    Is that a CJ Goatse?


  23. 23 | October 7, 2009 10:55 am

    Cato admits he’s Thomas.

    200 Cato the Elder Wed, Oct 7, 2009 10:44:40am replyquote

    * 3
    * down
    * up
    * report

    Meanwhile, over at Zomblog, a certain Thomas von der Trave has been outed as -- me.

    I wanted to post a confirmation for the geniuses who figured that out (some of the slower ones were sure Thomas was really Kejda or her husband), but “Zombie” has blocked me.

    So here you go, haters:

    Yep. Cato here. Not Kejda, though I expect she’s laughing her ass off at the tools who think I’m her husband. I figured the smart ones would figure out Thomas von der Trave. But do you get the joke? I doubt it.

    “Zombie” knows my real name, too, and more than that. And I wouldn’t put it past himerit to “out” me. It’s up to you, oh great anonymous citizen journalist. I can no more out you -- I have no more idea who you really are -- than I do about the origin of the universe or the date and time of the final judgment. But I think once you cross from documenting teh crazee at demos with undercover photos to demanding that people kiss your anonymous ass or lose their jobs, you’ve crossed a line. I hope your real identity comes out real soon and we can all see a conversation between you and those you defame. Kejda is out there in the real world calling out Stacy McCain and you hide behind your fear of kidz wearing Che shirts.

    I’m not on a mission from anybody. A former admirer who thinks you’ve become a disgusting un-American unnamed Denunziant worthy of the Stasi. But you’re obviously proud of that, so I’ll just go on hoping you lose your incognito to someone with a badge.

    Keep it “real”, Zomb.

    There is a post there hoping someone kills my dog.

    And Charles, you’re ghey. Ed Mahmoud sez so. Thought you’d want to know.


  24. 24 | October 7, 2009 10:56 am

    Standard liberalism, instead of debating fairly, things get blown out of proportion and then they repeat their own delusions as facts.


  25. Iron Fist
    25 | October 7, 2009 10:56 am

    re: #22 by Bunk X

    Iceweasel give princess a poke? TMI!

    Eeeewwwwwwww!


  26. 26 | October 7, 2009 10:57 am

    Kedja has ties with the Albanian Mob. I am following a lead and if the fact are true, I’m exposing her Albanian Mob connections.

    Albanian Jihadi Mobs engage in human trafficking and child porn. This means Kedja supports Pedophilia.


  27. snork
    27 | October 7, 2009 10:57 am

    re: #16 by Beltfed

    The ops here need to save that for April 1.


  28. Ed Mahmoud
    28 | October 7, 2009 10:57 am

    184Cato the Elder on Oct 7, 2009 at 10:53 am:
    Yep. Cato here. Not Kejda, though I expect she’s laughing her ass off at the tools who think I’m her husband. I figured the smart ones would figure out Thomas von der Trave. But do you get the joke? I doubt it.

    “Zombie” knows my real name, too, and more than that. And I wouldn’t put it past himerit to “out” me. It’s up to you, oh great anonymous citizen journalist. I can no more out you -- I have no more idea who you really are -- than I do about the origin of the universe or the date and time of the final judgment. But I think once you cross from documenting teh crazee at demos with undercover photos to demanding that people kiss your anonymous ass or lose their jobs, you’ve crossed a line. I hope your real identity comes out real soon and we can all see a conversation between you and those you defame. Kejda is out there in the real world calling out Stacy McCain and you hide behind your fear of kidz wearing Che shirts.

    I’m not on a mission from anybody. A former admirer who thinks you’ve become a disgusting un-American unnamed Denunziant worthy of the Stasi. But you’re obviously proud of that, so I’ll just go on hoping you lose your incognito to someone with a badge.

    Keep it “real”, Zomb.

    P.S. Had to post this through a proxy because the brave “Zombie” has blocked my IP.

    Zombie has employees he/she can fire?


  29. pig
    29 | October 7, 2009 10:58 am

    Gotta love Tim Blair……..

    “GRIEF CUDDLE? AUTOCULTURAL INTERFACE? BAKE SALE?

    I wonder how Change Johnson will refer to the next car swarm.”

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/grief_cuddle_autocultural_interface_bake_sale/


  30. 30 | October 7, 2009 11:00 am

    re: #28 by Ed Mahmoud

    Kedja is connected with Albanian Jihadi mobs. Stay tuned!


  31. Ed Mahmoud
    31 | October 7, 2009 11:01 am

    Rodan has Mad Skilz, but not in the Chuckles the Fudge Packed Clown kind of way.


  32. Iron Fist
    32 | October 7, 2009 11:02 am

    And Charles will love this. Not only does ACORN get outed breaking the law (they are “non-partizan”, right? Can you say “Tax-fraud”? Not that the Obama Administration will do anything about it), butPam Geller has a post on BigGovernment.com. Charles is doing well to get shout-outs from Kos.

    Heh™


  33. phoenixgirl
    33 | October 7, 2009 11:03 am

    cato doesn’t seem to read what zombie wrote… he just wants to hate…


  34. Ed Mahmoud
    34 | October 7, 2009 11:03 am

    I didn’t state as a fact that Charles has teh gay.

    But it would explain a lot.


  35. phoenixgirl
    35 | October 7, 2009 11:04 am

    cato doesn’t seem to read what zombie wrote… he just wants to hate…and he HAD TO POST WITH A PROXY BECAUSE HIS IP WAS BLOCKED! that is rich! he had to use his sock….he couldn’t just go away….he had to use his sock…..


  36. phoenixgirl
    36 | October 7, 2009 11:06 am

    cato doesn’t seem to read what zombie wrote… he just wants to hate…and he HAD TO POST WITH A PROXY BECAUSE HIS IP WAS BLOCKED! that is rich! he had to use his sock….he couldn’t just go away….he had to use his sock…..he mockingly called zombie “brave” so by proxy he’s mocking calling his master brave for having banned over 1500!


  37. snork
    37 | October 7, 2009 11:06 am

    Don’t know if these are all bans, but

    121 theheat[deleted]

    127 MandyManners[deleted]

    Josephine really did a number there.

    Welcome home, Josephine!


  38. 38 | October 7, 2009 11:07 am

    re: #33 by phoenixgirl

    One reason why I didn’t like him. All his posts seemed to reek of vitriol no matter what he was talking about. He would hammer on posters about spelling and grammar worse then a 3rd grade english teacher. I couldn’t belive have the stuff he posted that wasn’t deleted. I guess I now know why.


  39. 39 | October 7, 2009 11:07 am

    It figures: my first comment here is on a dead thread (below). It’s official: I’m a dork.

    Anyway, thanks for the positive comments on the other threads re. my unpleasant encounter this morning on LGF. I see from one of the comments that I was banned. So silly.

    I’ve got to do some chores now but I’ll pop back another time.

    Goddess, if you see this, would you please add me and my family to your prayer list? We have ongoing health problems and our pet is dying. Thank you.

    In case anyone is wondering about my song choices this morning, they were:

    Don McLean: American Pie
    PiL: Rise
    Janis Joplin: Farewell Song (dedicated to BabbaZee)


  40. snork
    40 | October 7, 2009 11:09 am

    re: #36 by phoenixgirl

    and this is one of the sooper smarteez. lolz


  41. snork
    41 | October 7, 2009 11:10 am

    re: #39 by Josephine

    Welcome, and I already checked you in at Kirly’s.


  42. phoenixgirl
    42 | October 7, 2009 11:10 am

    re: #39 by Josephine

    josephine! welcome to the cool club!


  43. m
    43 | October 7, 2009 11:10 am

    re: #16 by Beltfed

    Ha! That’s too good~!


  44. 44 | October 7, 2009 11:11 am

    So Chuckie thinks I am going to waste my time driving all over Culver City looking for him?

    LOL, what a dope.


  45. Ed Mahmoud
    45 | October 7, 2009 11:11 am

    I don’t have much use for Mandy Manners. Just because one has been banned at LGF (and, frankly, what person who owns a computer hasn’t?) doesn’t make on an ok person.

    Mandy was a foul mouthed abortion supporting banshee who I suspect was drunk about half the time she was on the internet.

    On that train of thought:

    Real West seems like an ok dude, but he needs to own up to telling a huge lie about his father dying at the WTC before I’ll have any respect for him.


  46. Rightside
    46 | October 7, 2009 11:13 am

    OT, but a real quick laugher.

    A necklace of tonsils


  47. 47 | October 7, 2009 11:14 am

    re: #16 by Beltfed

    Good work!

    LOL!


  48. Cheesehead
    48 | October 7, 2009 11:14 am

    re: #39 by Josephine

    Welcome to the Light, Josephine. It was a long, strange journey, but we’re all here. Take care friend….


  49. Iron Fist
    49 | October 7, 2009 11:14 am

    re: #39 by Josephine

    Welcome to the Service of Evil™ You’ll like it here. We stole all the fun from 1.0!

    :mrgreen:


  50. Beltfed
    50 | October 7, 2009 11:16 am

    re: #22 by Bunk X

    Bwahahahahahahah

    Had to look that one up. lol


  51. snork
    51 | October 7, 2009 11:24 am

    re: #45 by Ed Mahmoud

    And you know this how?


  52. vapig
    52 | October 7, 2009 11:26 am

    Good afternoon, Netizens!

    DHS has decertified Maricopa Joe for doing his (and their) job!

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/07/homeland-security-decertifies-arizona-sheriff-for-immigration-enforcement/


  53. Empire1
    53 | October 7, 2009 11:32 am

    re: #39 by Josephine

    Welcome, Josephine! Excellent last message that was, too!


  54. Ed Mahmoud
    54 | October 7, 2009 11:32 am

    Speaking of Public Image, my only relative I ever met from the old country who spoke funny, my mother’s Aunt Mary Lydon, had the last name “Lydon”.

    She lived near the T tracks just before the tunnel, in the housing projects on the line between Southie and Dorchester. They were building the extension to Quincy Center then, but it wasn’t finished.

    My grandmother and I took the bus to Fields Corner, and then the train to Columbia Square.

    Anyway, Lydon could be a married name, I don’t know. But I may or may not be a distant relative of Johnny Lydon.


  55. 55 | October 7, 2009 11:32 am

    I think the sad thing is the number of people who are reveling in the bans and attacks over there, blindly ignoring the fact that their number is likely to come up as the winds shift.


  56. Speranza
    56 | October 7, 2009 11:33 am

    re: #1 by MikeA

    Muslims get away with shit from Liberals that conservatives could never hope to get away with.


  57. Speranza
    57 | October 7, 2009 11:34 am

    re: #3 by ratso

    “notice chuckie just outed savage over at 1.0″

    Oh that’s lie the 68th time he has done so.


  58. Empire1
    58 | October 7, 2009 11:34 am

    re: #52 by vapig

    Idjits. We need more like Sheriff Joe, not to have them decertified.


  59. snork
    59 | October 7, 2009 11:35 am

    re: #49 by Iron Fist

    We stole all the fun from 1.0!

    And the strawberries.


  60. Speranza
    60 | October 7, 2009 11:35 am

    re: #10 by snork

    Hey Killgore can protect him.


  61. Eliana
    61 | October 7, 2009 11:36 am

    re: #16 by Beltfed

    Awesome!

    :-) Even with fruit juice almost coming out through my nose.


  62. Flyovercountry
    62 | October 7, 2009 11:38 am

    re: #38 by Knightwatch

    Picking on grammer and spelling were all he could do. He was never intellectually equal to those with whom he was arguing. We all make typos and editing errors on these threads. The fact is, we are having real time conversations which have to be typed. Cato is pathetic. On his best day, picking on these things is what he feels is a substantive contribution. Then of course, there is the fact that he was wrong as often as right in his gramatical commentary.


  63. Mad Mullah
    63 | October 7, 2009 11:39 am

    Cato the troll is wrong by the way. He wasn’t outed at Zombie’s site.

    It was this site, BLOGMOCRACY, the overnight crew, which did the detective work and outed him. The stuff at Zombie’s site is merely copied and pasted from the thread here.

    And why has Cato the stalker’s post gotten so many updings over at 1.0? They obviously approve of stalkers, trolls and people who harass and threaten Zombie over there.


  64. Iron Fist
    64 | October 7, 2009 11:40 am

    re: #60 by Speranza

    Killgore? He’s threatening the former vice-President! Call the FBI!

    (Yeah, I’m bored)

    :-)


  65. vagabond trader
    65 | October 7, 2009 11:40 am

    Oh, this deserves a repost.

    As Eliana found out, do not click while drinking.

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2563/3989873803_fbea673523_o.gif


  66. Speranza
    66 | October 7, 2009 11:42 am

    re: #45 by Ed Mahmoud

    “Real West seems like an ok dude, but he needs to own up to telling a huge lie about his father dying at the WTC before I’ll have any respect for him.”

    I’ve been posting that for a while. Iron Fist says there was a reason why he did that but I would like to find out why.


  67. Ed Mahmoud
    67 | October 7, 2009 11:43 am

    I was at LGF when Real West, pre-2004, when LGF wasn’t mondo popular, probably in a Friday Night Drinking Thread, stated his elderly father rushed past police and firemen who tried to stop him, to aid victims in the World Trade Center, and was killed when the towers collapsed.

    I believe it was Chuckie’s former liberal nemesis “Spock”, or maybe “Dave Ray”, of LGF Watch (Dave Ray was the web master at LGF Watch, which slammed Chuck back when they thought he ran a right wing blog, and also posted at LGF. That was one of the few righteous bannings. These days, they should get along fine, Chuckles is as liberal as Spock, X, Dave Ray and the whole LGF Watch crew) who investigated the names and ages of the WTC dead, and conclusively proved Real West was lying out his bung hole.

    Maybe he had a few drinks too many and decided to one up the military vets and their war stories, I don’t know. I’m a vet, but I could never match the stories of Reaganite and Rayra and Nam Vet. A poseur who called himself “Minigun” tried to tell big stories of action in Iraq, but real military helicopter vets called him out, and he disappeared.

    But Realwest told a massive lie, and needs to admit it and apologize for it.

    I don’t know whether Chuckles purged the post or not, and I have no way to search the LGF archives.

    So you can choose not to believe me. But the old time LGFers know better.


  68. Speranza
    68 | October 7, 2009 11:44 am

    re: #64 by Iron Fist

    Killgore could not fight his way out of a Hong Kong whore house.


  69. vapig
    69 | October 7, 2009 11:45 am

    re: #39 by Josephine

    Welcome, Josephine! GOTC should stop by in about another hour or so. I know she will add you and your family to her prayer list.

    My thoughts and prayers go out to you!


  70. Flyovercountry
    70 | October 7, 2009 11:47 am

    I posted this in a dead thread earlier today.

    Here is a fun contest. Guess the method and date of the demise of Al-Aqsa T.V.’s newest mascot, Nassur, the Jew Killing Teddy Bear.

    That’s right,”Tomorrow’s Pioneers,” that Palestinian child abusing kid’s show has a new mascot to replace Assud the Jew eating rabbit. Here is a video to introduce you to the contest.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdAh7Jq5zeA


  71. 71 | October 7, 2009 11:48 am

    re: #52 by vapig

    Good afternoon, Netizens!

    DHS has decertified Maricopa Joe for doing his (and their) job!

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/07/homeland-security-decertifies-arizona-sheriff-for-immigration-enforcement/

    DECERTIFY?
    When did the DHS certify ANY local law enforcement agency? I mean, one hears of all the police departments that declare illegals to be a “federal” problem, not theirs.


  72. Eliana
    72 | October 7, 2009 11:49 am

    re: #65 by vagabond trader

    This is the only funny picture I’ve ever seen that makes me laugh every single time I look at it.

    We’ve got to keep this one someplace public on the site so people can enjoy it for a long time!

    The little smurf peeking in from the side is so perfect, too.

    /Ok, now I’m laughing just thinking about it.


  73. Iron Fist
    73 | October 7, 2009 11:50 am

    re: #68 by Speranza

    I doubt that Kilgore would know what to do if he found himself in a Hong Kong whorehouse. But wouldn’t it be funny to watch him if he were to, say, wake up in one after a binge?

    Heh™

    (Trademark everything)


  74. vapig
    74 | October 7, 2009 11:51 am

    re: #65 by vagabond trader

    Holy cow! That’s hilarious!


  75. Eliana
    75 | October 7, 2009 11:53 am

    re: #72 by Eliana

    A LINK to the picture, not the picture visible on the site itself, of course.

    We’ve got to keep this handy, in any case! :-)


  76. 76 | October 7, 2009 11:54 am

    Well, this experience has been an eye-opener.

    I’d woken up this morning thinking Cato was a liberal grouch with a sexist streak yet, also, with a conscience. Catching up on the threads, I’ve seen Cato willing to deliberately misrepresent what his opponents do.

    Zombie (and not just Zombie -- read also the comments of Throbert McGee) has uncovered that Hay was uninterested in gay rights within our system; Hay wanted to bring down our system. Jennings’ own literature shows him as the same. Cato’s covering for these slimeballs; for what reason, I don’t know, unless it’s just the thrill of destruction.

    It’s also possible (probable) that he’s angling for more credibility within LGF. That is bad news for Irish Rose’s standing over there…


  77. 77 | October 7, 2009 11:54 am

    re: #39 by Josephine

    Welcome Josephine.

    Enjoy your escape from Jonestown.


  78. orangecrush
    78 | October 7, 2009 11:55 am

    From wiki on cults. While 1.0 is not a full fledged cult. It is cult light.

    Studies of religious, political, and other cults have identified a number of key steps in this type of coercive persuasion:

    1. People are put in physically or emotionally distressing situations; (Trolls and Charles says he is threatened)
    2. Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized;(extremists everywhere you look)
    3. They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader; (negative form in the form of banning and character assassination of those banned)
    4. They get a new identity based on the group;(nic and approval)
    5. They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives, and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled. (pretty self evident)


  79. Beltfed
    79 | October 7, 2009 11:57 am

    re: #27 by snork

    CJ’s Birth month ?????


  80. vapig
    80 | October 7, 2009 11:58 am

    re: #71 by Peter

    I know of several police departments (we have several here locally) that have sent their officers to ICE training (since the Fed WON’T take care of the problem) and Maricopa Joe was one fo those. They get Fed certification to process the illegals. Since he was doing just that, they decertified him.

    Sends a bad message. I know Virginia has declared a war on illegals and they’ve all gone to Maryland -- who invited them there.


  81. orangecrush
    81 | October 7, 2009 11:58 am

    re: #76 by Zimriel

    CatoTheKapo has had Charles ear and favor since he outed Robert Spencers Facebook group. He has also instigated on behalf of Charles in 1.0.

    Charles keeps these unsavory types on board like Kilgore, Irish Rose, and Cato because they serve a good purpose for his misdeeds while at the same time isolating him from criticism.


  82. 82 | October 7, 2009 11:58 am

    re: #39 by Josephine

    Welcome aboard, have fun and enjoy.


  83. 83 | October 7, 2009 11:58 am

    re: #52 by vapig

    Sheriff Joe was on local radio discussing this yesterday. If you want to hear his interview, go here http://www.kfyi.com/pages/podcasts.php. On the right side of the page below J.D. Hayworth, locate the Oct 6 5PM episode entitled “Immigrants to be held in Hotels?”. You can download OR click to listen.


  84. Nikis Knight
    84 | October 7, 2009 11:59 am

    5. They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives, and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled. (pretty self evident)

    Well, that explains the CC bannings and the whole “Thou shalt not associate with the banned” outlook.

    I don’t think he’s intentionally setting up a cult or anything, it’s just that that is an extension of the “everybody against us”/”we’re the only reasonable ones” mindset he promotes there.

    That’s why I call him a centrist extremist (not that he isn’t liberal leaning as well.) A moderate centrists says both sides have some good ideas, I’ll pick and choose. An extremist centrist says “Everybody but me is nuts!!”


  85. orangecrush
    85 | October 7, 2009 12:02 pm

    From two threads ago.

    218. Mad Mullah on 7 October, 2009 at 1:07 am reply

    This might be interesting.

    There’s a blog that I’d never heard of before that has a post by a THOMAS VON DER TRAVE. The blog is ibloga.blogspot.com

    At the bottom of a post from 2006, which is signed by the person calling themselves THOMAS VON DER TRAVE , you can also see this introduction, where it says:

    Permit me to introduce myself: I am Cato the Elder. The worthy Pastorius recently invited me to join the Alliance. I hope you will enjoy my contributions. Whether you do or don’t, I look forward to hearing from you about it!
    ————————————-

    http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2006/06/can-we-live-with-islam.html

    CatoTKapo plays his misanthropic mind games.
    Mandy is ok with this type of stuff. Someone email her and wake her up.

    Also Robert Spencer has the goods on CatoTE


  86. vagabond trader
    86 | October 7, 2009 12:03 pm

    re: #72 by Eliana

    bookmarked.

    :D

    Need all the laughs I can beg borrow steal.


  87. Iron Fist
    87 | October 7, 2009 12:05 pm

    re: #84 by Nikis Knight

    I don’t see much that is Centerist about Charles. He is virulently anti-Christian, and anti-Republican. It is almost as though he has deliberately set out to affirm everything he once condemned and condemn everything he once affirmed. That’s not Centerist. That is crazy.


  88. orangecrush
    88 | October 7, 2009 12:06 pm

    re: #76 by Zimriel

    Cato has no good intentions. He just posted about a poor door to gain sympathy with his fellow posters when his rep was being flushed down the toiler bowl. Pretty much a parasite that looks to hide before it strikes.


  89. The Rani
    89 | October 7, 2009 12:06 pm

    I guess I didn’t read enough of the current threads at 1.0 before my BS meter spiked, but I didn’t see an outing of savage. I remember he outed savage a while back, but nothing recent.


  90. 90 | October 7, 2009 12:07 pm

    re: #80 by vapig

    And Sheriff Joe said that he was the only one to be decertified in that program. it’s completely political. DHS beyotch Napolitano is the former AZ Govnr. Arpaio is the elected Sheriff of Maricopa county within which sits the state capitol.


  91. orangecrush
    91 | October 7, 2009 12:07 pm

    re: #87 by Iron Fist

    Once Charles said he is almost being driven to atheism by the right. I think he wants to make the jump but past religious upbringing makes him doubt that he can.


  92. tfc3rid
    92 | October 7, 2009 12:08 pm

    Kirly…

    BTW… Add me to the list…


  93. 93 | October 7, 2009 12:08 pm

    Diana West and Andy McCarthy are speaking with one voice on Afghanistan, Islam, and the US. McCarthy was about the only one willing to link to Jihadwatch and Brussels Journal at NRO.

    I think they are fairly adept at seeing Islam as the problem but they have a tendency to see Muslims as Islamic robots, programmed by their imams. I don’t think that holds true as a general rule. Telling an Iranian what to do “because the Mullah said so” will get you laughed at. Iranians do what they’re told when some Hezbollard shipped in from Lebanon is standing behind them with a club.

    Likewise, Iraq settled down when the locals quit being scared of the Islamic robots and started getting angry at them. Even Swat in Pakistan settled down when the Pakistanis got serious.

    West and McCarthy deserve a hearing but I still don’t think they’re right. I’d prefer it if Obama was less of a wimp because as long as he acts like he hasn’t got a plan, Muslims will go with the Islamic robots because if there’s one thing they do have, it’s a plan. (c.f., Macchiavelli -- no-one supports a wimp)


  94. chickadee
    94 | October 7, 2009 12:09 pm

    re: #33 by phoenixgirl

    That’s right. Cato the ogre just wants to hate and get patted on the head like a dog by CJ.


  95. vagabond trader
    95 | October 7, 2009 12:10 pm

    American Qur’an, what a load of leftist sophistry.


  96. orangecrush
    96 | October 7, 2009 12:10 pm

    re: #89 by The Rani

    I think that was the day I realized that Charles was a less then Stellar person. When I saw the posting publicly outing Savage and Rodan. And later the Iron Fist Affair,the NY Nana debacle and Little Old Lady scandal confirmed it for me.


  97. Nikis Knight
    97 | October 7, 2009 12:11 pm

    re: #87 by Iron Fist

    No, nothing centrist except in his own mind, the view of himself as the Perfectly Rational man, exactly on the opposite side of the “circular” political spectrum as all the crazy nuts. That’s how he can pose as unchanging in all his positions--he’s always the one sane man.


  98. orangecrush
    98 | October 7, 2009 12:11 pm

    re: #95 by vagabond trader

    Off with their heads. that is all am American Qtoilet paper will get them.


  99. chickadee
    99 | October 7, 2009 12:11 pm

    re: #38 by Knightwatch

    He is a vicious mean old cripple lashing out at the world.


  100. Overlook
    100 | October 7, 2009 12:12 pm

    re: #23 by Rodan

    Kejda Gjermani works for Commentary. Did she not used to run their “contentions” blog? They have not allowed comments there for a while. Do you know what Kejda’s position with Commentary is? Do you know why they stopped comments?

    As for Cato the Elder, I enjoy his rudeness as a counterbalance to the self-righteous slop at lgf, but why is he wasting his self-promoted brain-power on lgf? Is he playing a game to see how far he can assert his cranky individuality and still stay on the right side of CJ? He has been rapped on the knuckles a couple of times. I am amazed that someone with such intellectual pretension should bother to enter the Zombie fray at all.

    I admire Zombie for staying above it.

    And what is the Thomas von der Trave joke? Some sort of anagram? A reference to an in-joke at lgf?

    I am simply dumbfounded at the idea of pseudonymous “loyalty” to or “betrayal” of a web-blog.


  101. chickadee
    101 | October 7, 2009 12:13 pm

    re: #39 by Josephine

    {Josephine} so good to see you.
    :D


  102. Iron Fist
    102 | October 7, 2009 12:13 pm

    re: #91 by orangecrush

    I could see that. Atheism would have to be an extremely comforting faith. Life may suck, but when it is over, it is over and there is no more pain. Socrates said something like “If death is an endless, dreamless sleep, are not the nights we sleep and do not dream the most restful?” While a religious upbringing carries with it the fear of eternal Hell, at least for the Christian traditions.


  103. 103 | October 7, 2009 12:13 pm

    re: #92 by tfc3rid

    you’re in The Book of the Banned.

    Along with more than 1500 others.

    http://kirls.blogspot.com/2009/05/banned-monium.html


  104. vagabond trader
    104 | October 7, 2009 12:14 pm

    re: #91 by orangecrush

    More lizard manure.You either believe in G-d or you don’t. WTF does that have to do with politics or what one perceives to be extremist “rightwing” belief.


  105. Nikis Knight
    105 | October 7, 2009 12:14 pm

    re: #93 by Zimriel

    Well, I hope they aren’t right, and in any case the only possible hope of success is to be the clear winning choice over there, not only the nicest but the strongest.


  106. Iron Fist
    106 | October 7, 2009 12:15 pm

    re: #97 by Nikis Knight

    Ah. OK, I see what you mean. He may very well view himself that way. That could also fuel his persecution complex. “Why can’t these idiots see how great I am?”, if you know what I mean.

    He needs therapy, that much is obvious.


  107. Ed Mahmoud
    107 | October 7, 2009 12:16 pm

    BTW, I did Google and Ask.com searches on the supposed other McCain comment about inter-racial dating being repugnant.

    No hits except for LGF itself.

    They make up crap there in order to label people as white supremacists out of whole cloth, I believe.


  108. orangecrush
    108 | October 7, 2009 12:16 pm

    re: #93 by Zimriel

    I think the Iranians are well educated muslims and capable of tolerance. A lot of civilization behind them. Indonesians, Pakistanis, Palestinians, Arabs all suffer from poor cultures maintained by their religion.

    It’s probably gonna take a war or two to set the world upright.


  109. 109 | October 7, 2009 12:16 pm

    re: #100 by Overlook

    I googled the name, it has some connection to Thomas Mann and Herman Hesse. Just not upto doing a lot of reading today.


  110. Nikis Knight
    110 | October 7, 2009 12:17 pm

    I see someone with the nic looking closely posting at Ace; he was a pretty thoughtful fellow at LGF; anyone know if/when he was banned?


  111. 111 | October 7, 2009 12:17 pm

    Anyone got the link to my 156th outing?


  112. The Rani
    112 | October 7, 2009 12:18 pm

    re: #107 by Ed Mahmoud

    Don’t forget if you ever rode a bus with someone who had a roommate who farted in an elevator that had Ron Paul on it.


  113. Centaur
    113 | October 7, 2009 12:19 pm

    As of today, I’ve been banned. Blocked. Whatever. Guess because I’ve been hanging out here and at C2 more than 1.0 lately. Oh well.

    Good afternoon all.


  114. orangecrush
    114 | October 7, 2009 12:19 pm

    re: #103 by Kirly

    I saw ruskilitlover and armywife other places them 1.0 Haven’t seen redc1 on 1.0 for a bit. Formercorpsman was at zombietime blasting IrishRose


  115. orangecrush
    115 | October 7, 2009 12:20 pm

    re: #113 by Centaur

    welcome to the rightside


  116. vagabond trader
    116 | October 7, 2009 12:20 pm

    re: #97 by Nikis Knight

    I used to believe the rational above it all man theory. Obviously Captain Reasonable is anything but. Talk about twisting yourself and all within your sphere into a parallel universe of irrational, I present 1.0.


  117. Ed Mahmoud
    117 | October 7, 2009 12:21 pm

    Thomas von der Trave

    Cato is showing off his deep knowledge of arcane trivia.

    A character from a book called Das Glasperlenpiel from 1943 by Hesse.

    Nope, I never heard of it either. Visited Ask.com. And I have a BS degree.

    Cato is just being an arrogant ass showing off how much useless trivia knowledge he has.


  118. 118 | October 7, 2009 12:21 pm

    re: #102 by Iron Fist

    Atheism has some other comforts. If one is into science, for instance, atheism allows one to restrict causes that are supernatural from the experiment. This turns out to be helpful. If you’re a scientist.

    Atheism’s drawbacks include disassociation from community tradition, and a feeling that life itself is cosmically pointless. Atheists tend to become lonely, depressed, and self-centred.


  119. Speranza
    119 | October 7, 2009 12:22 pm

    re: #67 by Ed Mahmoud

    Realwest’s claim in in the March 11, 2005 archives

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/15032_One_Year_After_Madrid/comments/#ctop

    87 realwest
    Fri, Mar 11, 2005 7:48:36am replyquote 0downupreport

    #18 Iron Fist -- What you said, in Spades. My Dad, who was 79 at the time, just happened to be there when the rescue workers were running into the ruins, so he started to go in to help what everyone believed were still living people. A Port Authority P.O. tried to keep him out saying he was too old and would only get in the way.
    Then the Port Authority cop turned back to business and my Dad rushed in. They never found him. Or his body. One of my Dad’s friends was with him and told us the story. It’s why I can’t look at the 9/11 photos anymore.
    I can’t begin to express my sincere admiration for the courage of the firefighters, cops, EMS and others who ran INTO the burning mess, when the Spanish guys did what normal people do, run away as fast as you can.
    Never forget, Never forgive.


  120. Bumr50
    120 | October 7, 2009 12:23 pm

    Looks like the wagons were circled around Charlie Rangel.

    Why?

    I’m wondering aloud if it has anything to do with his skin color.

    The Dems need to be made to own him, and his corruption needs to be made public.

    Sounds like it’s Glenn Beck time.


  121. 121 | October 7, 2009 12:23 pm

    For anyone with socks or who remains at 1.0 (we know you read every comment here), someone just posted on my blog the following:

    you can add beens21, account was blocked after i did a search on iowahawk and clicked a link to his site from one of the comments.

    So, it seems that CFnJ has coded it up to automatically block you if you click a link ON HIS OWN BLOG which he doesn’t approve of. How pathetic and stupid can one person get? (that’s a rhetorical question… i believe CFnJ, The Whore, Irish Idiot, and the icequeen are going to demonstrate for us. Honorary Yooper and Hoosier Hoops aren’t even in the same league in spite of their massive efforts -- keep trying boys)

    i expect the lunatic will see this and out me now, eh?


  122. Speranza
    122 | October 7, 2009 12:23 pm

    re: #117 by Ed Mahmoud

    I was told that Cato’s first name is “Ned”.


  123. The Rani
    123 | October 7, 2009 12:24 pm

    Will the last commenter at LFG please turn off the lights and call a medic?


  124. vagabond trader
    124 | October 7, 2009 12:25 pm

    re: #120 by Bumr50

    Bumr50, it probably has more to do with the fact that he is just the tip of the scummy iceberg when it comes to congressional crooks.Can imagine the files they have on each other.


  125. Speranza
    125 | October 7, 2009 12:26 pm

    [comment deleted at the request of the commenter- m]


  126. Russkilitlover
    126 | October 7, 2009 12:26 pm

    Hi there, Blogmocracy. Mind if I bring my lunch in and set a spell?


  127. Possum
    127 | October 7, 2009 12:26 pm

    re: #111 by savage

    post 599 on the overnight thread.


  128. taxfreekiller
    128 | October 7, 2009 12:27 pm

    No time myself, someone may have vaction time.

    Walter will not be banned, to many post.
    Current thread of the first 100 ,, Walter 10
    Tradewin 6
    Thanos 4
    DaddyG 7
    O No S 4
    Locker 3
    Wrenchwrench
    Cato
    John Never
    Lost lake
    Gus 802 all 2 or so

    Space Jesus 1 to many

    Same thing in the mornings ice, freetoken, jimmy
    ect.
    then after 5:00 east coast time same shig

    stat: show 164 logged on, 100 of them must be socks watching the wreck, and the posters all have two or three socks

    rename time

    Little Green Socks


  129. vapig
    129 | October 7, 2009 12:27 pm

    re: #83 by Kirly

    Thanks, Kirly! I love Maricopa Joe!


  130. Overlook
    130 | October 7, 2009 12:28 pm

    re: #91 by orangecrush

    And Iron Fist:

    I butt in with apologies, but I must repeat: there are conservative atheists. Charles Johnson’s views on religion/science/ creationism/Darwinism/ politics are a ludicrous muddle.
    He believes that deism and evolution are reconcilable.
    He believes that deism is acceptable, but that theism and creationism are not and is adamant that ID is a form of creationism as a matter of political dogma.
    He permits prayer lists (for pseudonyms -- but God knows who they are), yet he denounces the religious praying for death of enemies. The evolving theology of lgf is a sight to behold.
    He is moving over to AGW as an article of faith, accepting the priesthood of “real” scientists.
    And as for his politics: that is a dog’s dinner.

    All in all, CJ is a very confused thinker. His instinct to defend Israel is still praiseworthy.


  131. Purre
    131 | October 7, 2009 12:29 pm

    re: #123 by The Rani

    I am reminded of the funny cartoon I once saw, where East German border guard said to his colleague: “Well, Karl, I think we are the only ones left.” *silence* “Karl? Karl?”


  132. vagabond trader
    132 | October 7, 2009 12:30 pm

    re: #126 by Russkilitlover

    Welcome, stay as long as you’d like. No oath of loyalty required here!

    :-D


  133. orangecrush
    133 | October 7, 2009 12:30 pm

    re: #66 by Speranza

    I read that long ago about Realwest. Maybe he was caught up in the emotion of the event and wanted to be patriotic but had no outlet. I know I would have liked to have been on one of the planes and able to do something about it. But for me that is mostly fantasy.

    I always note that story when I see a realwest comment. But he has proven to be a regular guy overtime. We are all learning. A lot of good posters vouch for him.

    He leaned a great deal on 1.0 and it let him down big time. It had to be a big effort for him to move to C2.

    One can only wonder what is the deal with Mandy? what type of blinders is she wearing? There is nothing she can support or fix at 1.0 anymore.


  134. tfc3rid
    134 | October 7, 2009 12:31 pm

    Mandy, Lawhawk, Buzzsawmonkey, VXBush


  135. orangecrush
    135 | October 7, 2009 12:33 pm

    re: #63 by Mad Mullah

    LGF is a slowly sinking sink and no one is bailing water.


  136. Speranza
    136 | October 7, 2009 12:33 pm

    re: #133 by orangecrush

    Oh I am certain he is a good guy but that was a despicable thing to do since there were actual heroes that day, we do not need imaginary heroes and that story about his 79 year old dad did not frankly pass the smell test.


  137. Speranza
    137 | October 7, 2009 12:34 pm

    re: #134 by tfc3rid

    Mandy and lawhawk will not leave.


  138. vapig
    138 | October 7, 2009 12:34 pm

    re: #90 by Kirly

    Yeah, what a mess she left that state in, too! Phoenix is now the kidnap capital of the world because it is so overrun with illegals!

    Whe she was appointed I knew obaMao was up to no good!


  139. orangecrush
    139 | October 7, 2009 12:36 pm

    re: #126 by Russkilitlover

    Welcome Russkilitlover Didn’t see you leave 1.0 but notice you were gone.


  140. Eliana
    140 | October 7, 2009 12:37 pm

    re: #130 by Overlook

    but I must repeat: there are conservative atheists.

    I know a few conservative atheists myself.

    They are all staunch defenders of religious Christians, Jews and most other religious people (unlike liberal atheists who promote their own atheism as a religion).

    They do see the dangers of Islam now, however. Unlike liberals, they think people are free to believe whatever they want about the physical and possibly spiritual world as long as they aren’t flying airplanes into skyscrapers (and/or supporting this practice) as part of their religious observance.


  141. 141 | October 7, 2009 12:37 pm

    re: #130 by Overlook

    Charles is a Far Left Progressives. I don’t think he’s as Pro-Israel as people think. He is now allied with Daily Kos, which is anti-Israel. He also is hardcore Obama supporter and is supporting Progressives.

    He is a Leftist and not a Conservative.


  142. orangecrush
    142 | October 7, 2009 12:38 pm

    re: #136 by Speranza

    Yes, people should be truthful about what they did and how they felt on 9/11. It’s the proper way to show respect.

    I watched it on TV before I went to work. Everyone’s heart went out to those people.


  143. 143 | October 7, 2009 12:39 pm

    re to #113 Centaur -- you’re in!

    re to #114 orange crush

    you’re good! none of those (ruskilitlover, armywife, redcl, formercorpsman) are on my list! but, are they banned?


  144. Carolina Girl
    144 | October 7, 2009 12:39 pm

    re: #103 by Kirly

    Kirly -- my gosh -- that many? That’s gotta be over 50 since the weekend!


  145. father_of_10
    145 | October 7, 2009 12:39 pm

    re: #132 by vagabond trader

    Maybe we should have this oath:

    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.


  146. 146 | October 7, 2009 12:39 pm

    re: #126 by Russkilitlover

    Hello there are are most certainly welcomed to join. Kick back and enjoy yourself there!


  147. Speranza
    147 | October 7, 2009 12:39 pm

    re: #141 by Rodan

    Hey Rodan I made a mistake on post 125. can you delete it for me?


  148. Speranza
    148 | October 7, 2009 12:41 pm

    re: #103 by Kirly

    In Civil War times 1500 would almost be a full strength brigade.


  149. Ed Mahmoud
    149 | October 7, 2009 12:41 pm

    Obama targetting small Catholic University in North Carolina because their employee health insurance doesn’t pay for abortion.

    Belmont Abbey

    http://www.belmontabbeycollege.edu/

    The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty

    http://www.becketfund.org/landing/


  150. 150 | October 7, 2009 12:42 pm

    re: #118 by Zimriel

    “Atheism has some other comforts. If one is into science, for instance, atheism allows one to restrict causes that are supernatural from the experiment. This turns out to be helpful. If you’re a scientist.”

    right, because if you actually believe in any god you couldn’t possible EVER be an honest scientist.

    and you wonder why i find your arrogance annoying.


  151. Speranza
    151 | October 7, 2009 12:43 pm

    re: #121 by Kirly

    Yikes it is so Orwellian over there.


  152. orangecrush
    152 | October 7, 2009 12:46 pm

    re: #143 by Kirly

    From where they were posting I would say yes they are banned. Based on the 1.0 policies.


  153. chickadee
    153 | October 7, 2009 12:52 pm

    Cato became a truly nasty mean ogre after CJ gave him a thread in which he discussed how he had conveniently “discovered” that Robert was a Nazi because of a face book connection.
    It looked like Robert had been set up. He has grounds to sue the ogre for libel. And I hope he does.
    But what was astounding was how arrogant ogre became after he had a little “acclaim” in getting his own thread. He really thought he was something, after that. lol.
    What a pathetic jerk.


  154. Overlook
    154 | October 7, 2009 12:54 pm

    re: #140 by Eliana

    Yes, indeed, and thank you.
    Many atheist conservatives are Jews.
    The political bedrock is that free-market capitalism and individual liberty are what sustain the greatest numbers in prosperity and happiness.

    re: #118 by Zimriel

    Atheists are no more likely to become lonely, depressed or self-centered than any other person.
    They often have a sense of humor -- and need it.


  155. Speranza
    155 | October 7, 2009 12:54 pm

    re: #153 by chickadee

    You know as well as I do that Little Green Frogs is big into that whole “six degrees of separation” nonsense. Cato also is obsessed (like Andrew Sullivan) with Sarah Palin’s reproductive organs.


  156. Cheesehead
    156 | October 7, 2009 12:54 pm

    re: #111 by savage

    599 Charles
    10/07/2009 9:27:49 am PDT 8downupreport

    Here’s ‘Earth2moonbat’ (with the name ‘snork’) threatening my life:

    [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

    And here’s ‘savage’ (Xxxx Thomas Xxxxxx) and another creep threatening my life:

    [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

    (name deleted by me)


  157. vapig
    157 | October 7, 2009 12:56 pm

    re: #126 by Russkilitlover

    Welcome aboard! Kick your shoes off and stay awhile!


  158. 158 | October 7, 2009 12:57 pm

    re: #126 by Russkilitlover

    well, NOW you’re banned for sure. ok, you’re on my to-add list.

    re #129 vapig -- me too! i vote for him every election!

    re #138 vapig -- phoenix is actually alot better than it used to be. after we instituted a law which will revoke your business license if you knowingly hire illegals and mandated the use of eVerify, a ton of illegals left (went back to mexico which then whinged that they couldn’t support the populace and texas which doesn’t have the same law that we do). Of course the feds will destroy our law too by defunding e-Verify. The unpleasantries of the current economy resulted in some leaving too.


  159. Gypsy Commenter
    159 | October 7, 2009 12:58 pm

    re: #12 by Rodan

    90 degrees and sunny here on the other side of the state — the eastern end of Route 60. Marco Rubio for Senate!


  160. Empire1
    160 | October 7, 2009 1:01 pm

    re: #126 by Russkilitlover

    Hi, Russkilitlover. Here, have a nice homebrew.


  161. LGoPs
    161 | October 7, 2009 1:02 pm

    re: #126 by Russkilitlover

    Very nice to see you here Russki.
    :)


  162. Overlook
    162 | October 7, 2009 1:03 pm

    re: #150 by Kirly

    Many scientists do believe in God (probably as deists) and attend church for communitarian purposes or the comfort of tradition. They put on a different hat for that, though. And thank their heaven that it is demonstrably possible to have one set of irrational beliefs and another set of rational ideas within the same mind. If they are not bothered by inconsistency, nobody else should be. It is when the methods of religion are espoused by scientists (the establishment of a priesthood, dogma, orthodoxy, consensus, proselytizing, excommunication of non-believers and apostates) that it becomes dangerous -- witness AGW.


  163. vapig
    163 | October 7, 2009 1:04 pm

    re: #149 by Ed Mahmoud

    Do they accept federal funds? If they don’t, obaMao doesn’t have a leg to stand on.


  164. Russkilitlover
    164 | October 7, 2009 1:05 pm

    re: #139 by orangecrush

    I didn’t flounce, just stopped posting there and started to post at C2. Guess that did it.

    The crazies: they’re doing it right.


  165. Rightside
    165 | October 7, 2009 1:05 pm

    welcome to all the former 1.0ers today!

    Welcome aboard!


  166. The Rani
    166 | October 7, 2009 1:06 pm

    re: #156 by Cheesehead

    Geez, paranoid much? When’s he gonna start having meth bugs?


  167. chickadee
    167 | October 7, 2009 1:06 pm

    re: #126 by Russkilitlover

    Welcome {Russkilitlover}.
    Good to see you.


  168. Eliana
    168 | October 7, 2009 1:06 pm

    re: #154 by Overlook

    I have a friend I met where I used to work who had been raised in a very religious Italian Catholic family. His family was filled with strong Democrats.

    He walked away from the religion and the Democrat Party at the same time during High School.

    He’s been a strong conservative ever since who is totally pro-life when it comes to the precious lives that begin at conception. He supports the death penalty for convicted murderers.

    His entire family votes for the Democrats who still promote abortion while he votes for people who are against it.

    His family doesn’t understand him in the slightest, but he is very welcomed as a conservative by all the religious Christians and Jews who know him.


  169. Nikis Knight
    169 | October 7, 2009 1:06 pm

    re: #162 by Overlook

    No offense (well, take it or leave it as you like) but that’s a bunch of blather.


  170. 170 | October 7, 2009 1:08 pm

    re: #169 by Nikis Knight

    i agree! i AM a scientist. and i’m not irrational while reading my Bible, praying, or attending a religious service. that was just so ridiculous. i was about to comment Nikis when i saw yours.


  171. vapig
    171 | October 7, 2009 1:09 pm

    re: #158 by Kirly

    That’s about the only thing about this recession that’s good. Not that American’s losing their jobs is good. But it’s sending the illegals scittering back to Mexico in droves!


  172. Gypsy Commenter
    172 | October 7, 2009 1:11 pm

    re: #120 by Bumr50

    The scuttlebutt also is that if they got rid of Rangel, the next Dem in the succession is none other than Fortney “Pete” Stark, acknowledged to be a raving lunatic on both sides of the aisle.


  173. Ed Mahmoud
    173 | October 7, 2009 1:11 pm

    163

    Apparently, from the lenghthy e-mail I got from Rick Santorum, the EEOC is claiming gender discrimination, in that the college’s health insurance does not pay for abortions.

    It isn’t like Hillsdale, that avoids all kinds of crap from the Feds by refusing federal aid of any kind.

    BTW, if the Hillsdale medical plan doesn’t pay for abortions, I’m sure they are next.

    But Catholic run businesses, like hospitals and colleges, are easy targets. Well, some.

    I’d guess the medical center at Notre Dame probably provides abortion services.


  174. Speranza
    174 | October 7, 2009 1:12 pm

    re: #171 by vapig

    What pisses me off the most about illegals is their coming here and committing crimes. I mean if you want to sweep floors fine but fly under the radar and keep your nose clean.


  175. Eliana
    175 | October 7, 2009 1:13 pm

    re: #162 by Overlook

    Many scientists do believe in God (probably as deists) and attend church for communitarian purposes or the comfort of tradition.

    There are LOTS of Jewish physicists. Some of these scientists (and other Jewish scientists) are religious (Orthodox) Jews.

    I’ve got a stack of books by Orthodox Jewish physicists about how science and religion don’t conflict with each other.

    One such book:

    “Hidden Light: Science Secrets of the Bible”

    by Dr. David Medved


  176. Scott Madsen
    176 | October 7, 2009 1:13 pm

    re: #149 by Ed Mahmoud

    Dominican too IIRC. That should set him off further…..the Inquisition and all that it means to Deconstructionists and social vandals in general..


  177. Speranza
    177 | October 7, 2009 1:13 pm

    re: #173 by Ed Mahmoud

    But Rick Santorum wants to teach creationism in schools! /not


  178. Speranza
    178 | October 7, 2009 1:15 pm

    re: #172 by Gypsy Commenter

    Pete Stark is a mean left-winger of the worst San Francisco sort. one of the worst congressmen out there.


  179. Eliana
    179 | October 7, 2009 1:15 pm

    Dr. Gerald L. Schroeder has a lot of books that he’s written as a religious Jewish scientist.

    I’m currently reading:

    “The Hidden Face of God
    Science Reveals the Ultimate Truth”

    by Gerald L. Schroeder
    Author of “The Science of God”


  180. Speranza
    180 | October 7, 2009 1:16 pm

    re: #164 by Russkilitlover

    Very Stalinist over there huh?


  181. Nikis Knight
    181 | October 7, 2009 1:16 pm

    re: #173 by Ed Mahmoud

    How is that discrimination? I’m sure that they don’t pay for male abortions, either.

    Equality means treating people the same, except for the people that you must treat better.


  182. vapig
    182 | October 7, 2009 1:17 pm

    re: #173 by Ed Mahmoud

    Gender discrimination doesn’t fly since males don’t become pregnant.

    The gov’t interfering in religious beliefs and practices is against the Constitution and I’m getting sick of hearing about cases like this!


  183. Nikis Knight
    183 | October 7, 2009 1:18 pm

    Besides which, isn’t abortion age discrimination?


  184. Gypsy Commenter
    184 | October 7, 2009 1:19 pm

    re: #178 by Speranza

    Yep. And that is why the Republicans in the House aren’t pushing too hard for Rangel’s removal, and why the Dems are agaisnt it, too. They’d rather put up with the corruption that put up with a nasty fanatic.


  185. Russkilitlover
    185 | October 7, 2009 1:19 pm

    re: #180 by Speranza
    “Very Stalinist over there huh?”

    Just plain mean and spiteful. Oh, and boring beyond belief. It’s like the movie Groundhog Day over there.


  186. vagabond trader
    186 | October 7, 2009 1:21 pm

    Going right down the line. The next agenda is abortion and forcing alternative lifestyles on the school kiddies.


  187. Overlook
    187 | October 7, 2009 1:22 pm

    re: #141 by Rodan

    Certainly he exhibits totalitarian character traits. His politics are probably collectivist, but he shelters behind “Independent”. Too nervous, I suspect, to state voting preference. His pretense at being exiled by Republicans, or that Republicans are becoming extreme (racist) is a teeny fig leaf covering naked sympathy with the left. He likes to think that he is the fixed center around which swirls the craziness. This gives him very little maneuvering room -- and why he is so dogmatic about craziness being mainstreamed. It makes what he has to say seem important, and why he has to protect the dogma from dissent.
    What is fascinating is how his supporters have to cover up their dissent. Poor Buzzsawmonkey has retreated behind jokes and puns.


  188. 188 | October 7, 2009 1:22 pm

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/07/breaking-senate-gop-folding-over-health-care-reform/

    I am told quite reliably that in a meeting today on Capitol Hill, Republican Senators began to rapidly move toward concessions on health care because they are afraid they cannot hold their members. Some Republicans are now thinking of supporting a government program.

    Go to the action center and start calling.

    Already, Senate Democrats are looking to pass healthcare by attaching it to unrelated legislation — the back door Brian Darling has repeatedly warned us about.

    Republicans are starting to waver on this.

    Call now. Tell the GOP to stand firm in opposition to the Democrats’ health care plans.

    Links at redstate


  189. 189 | October 7, 2009 1:23 pm

    re: #170 by Kirly

    Come on, everyone knows that it’s impossible for a real scientist to believe in God. Richard Dawkins said so!

    /sarc


  190. vagabond trader
    190 | October 7, 2009 1:23 pm

    re: #178 by Speranza

    They are afraid of having their own corruption exposed.


  191. Gypsy Commenter
    191 | October 7, 2009 1:23 pm

    re: #186 by vagabond trader

    Abortion is the left’s holy sacrament. Maybe it could be banned from Chritian-affiliated colleges on the grounds that it’s a religious practice.


  192. Gypsy Commenter
    192 | October 7, 2009 1:25 pm

    Crap, I can’t type worth squat today. PIMP, or whatever it is you’re supposed to say.


  193. Nikis Knight
    193 | October 7, 2009 1:25 pm

    re: #188 by Rose

    Why would they shoot themselves in the foot like that? I’ve never seen people want a legislative change less.


  194. snowcrash
    194 | October 7, 2009 1:25 pm

    re: #185 by Russkilitlover

    Nice to see you!


  195. Nikis Knight
    195 | October 7, 2009 1:26 pm

    I’m a little worried that this blog wants to make me some sort of Dhimmi… every time I want to leave a message I have to press ‘submit’!
    /


  196. vagabond trader
    196 | October 7, 2009 1:28 pm

    re: #191 by Gypsy Commenter

    He and his repulsive health secretary are the most extreme abortionist supporters in DC. Tiller the killer was great friends with Sibelius. Failed with the olympics, take it out on the babies.


  197. 197 | October 7, 2009 1:28 pm

    re: #187 by Overlook

    I agree 100% with what you wrote!


  198. Mrs.Robinson
    198 | October 7, 2009 1:29 pm

    re: #162 by Overlook

    I think it was Dr. Michael Crichton who said in his auto-biography called “Travels” that a child never asks “how is the sky blue?” they usually ask “why is the sky blue?”

    IOW science can explain “how” all day long but it can never completely explain the “why”.

    Sometimes pondering the “why” is way more interesting sometimes!

    I know many scientists that believe in God.
    One of the ministers I liked to listen to from time to time-which I miss because I moved, was a scientists at JPL in Pasadena for his day job. His stories/sermans were awesome.


  199. Speranza
    199 | October 7, 2009 1:29 pm

    re: #184 by Gypsy Commenter

    Stark is a really rotten human being. Twisted, fanatical, and vicious.


  200. davehm
    200 | October 7, 2009 1:30 pm

    re: #195 by Nikis Knight

    We should just change the button to “Islam” //


  201. vagabond trader
    201 | October 7, 2009 1:30 pm

    re: #195 by Nikis Knight

    Better than “hit the tip jar.”

    :mrgreen:


  202. Russkilitlover
    202 | October 7, 2009 1:31 pm

    Oh, poop! Lunch is over, gotta git.


  203. Russia on ice
    203 | October 7, 2009 1:32 pm

    Boy oh boy, you guys are gonna love American Digest’s take on the new and “improved” LGF:

    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/bad_americans/the_eternal_banality_of_t.php

    Do not drink while reading.


  204. Mrs.Robinson
    204 | October 7, 2009 1:32 pm

    Holy crap, where did the edit go?
    LOL


  205. Overlook
    205 | October 7, 2009 1:32 pm

    re: #175 by Eliana

    Well, it depends what you mean by “conflict”.
    Logical dissonance (analagous with cognitive dissonance) may exist in a person’s mind without effecting faith or scientific reasoning.
    And I will happily support the scientist in his science and not bother him about his faith.

    Did you see that an Israeli woman scientist has won a Nobel Prize in chemistry?


  206. davehm
    206 | October 7, 2009 1:33 pm

    re: #198 by Mrs.Robinson

    That’s cause and effect, Why (cause) blue (effect)

    Why are we here?
    Why is the universe here?

    These are stumbling blocks for scientist.


  207. Iron Fist
    207 | October 7, 2009 1:34 pm

    re: #191 by Gypsy Commenter

    Abortion is the left’s holy sacrament.

    That puts it exactly right. It is also the “right” that they most defend, and under current precedent, is the most protected by law. Imagine, if you will, the lengths that one would have to go to for the Second Amendment to be as protected. Fully automatic weapons would be legal. The debate would be whether or not the government should subsidize your purchase of them. It would really be even beyond that. There is debate on the Constitutionality of partial birth abortion bans and parental notification laws. What weapon could compare to that extreme? Nukes?

    Anyway, you can see my point. It is astounding, when you think of it. Everything I have seen indicates that Americans in general believe that abortion should be legal, but I don’t see the support for the extremes that the Democrats push.


  208. Speranza
    208 | October 7, 2009 1:34 pm

    re: #185 by Russkilitlover

    “Just plain mean and spiteful. Oh, and boring beyond belief. It’s like the movie Groundhog Day over there.”

    Funny but I mentioned that the other day. every day the usual threads (pick any 5 or 6 of the following) bashing -- Glenn Beck, Michelle Bachmann, RS McCain, Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, Jim DeMint, Rick Perry, obscure Texas School Boards, and pimping Amazon, Global Warming, Jaxx musicians I never heard of and pictures of fences.


  209. Eliana
    209 | October 7, 2009 1:34 pm

    re: #188 by Rose

    Call now. Tell the GOP to stand firm in opposition to the Democrats’ health care plans.

    Thanks for the information!

    I’m going to call right now.


  210. Speranza
    210 | October 7, 2009 1:35 pm

    re: #204 by Mrs.Robinson

    “Holy crap, where did the edit go?
    LOL”

    I noticed it is missing.


  211. Mrs.Robinson
    211 | October 7, 2009 1:36 pm

    A REAL scientist wouldn’t say a fetus was “just a bunch of cells” and is not “life” either!


  212. vagabond trader
    212 | October 7, 2009 1:36 pm

    re: #203 by Russia on ice

    lmao, that is brutal,lolololol!


  213. Iron Fist
    213 | October 7, 2009 1:36 pm

    re: #208 by Speranza

    Jaxx musicians? What do they play, skin flute? Oh, and just like it was on cue, Charles is pimping Amazon and the Kindle. Hit the Tip Jar!


  214. Speranza
    214 | October 7, 2009 1:36 pm

    re: #203 by Russia on ice

    A regular Mathew B.Brady that guy is!


  215. snowcrash
    215 | October 7, 2009 1:36 pm

    re: #203 by Russia on ice

    Oh that is funny! And the comments…Gagdad Bob calls it a fine piece of insultainment! LOL


  216. Speranza
    216 | October 7, 2009 1:36 pm

    re: #213 by Iron Fist

    I must be psychic.


  217. Speranza
    217 | October 7, 2009 1:37 pm

    re: #213 by Iron Fist

    I told you I miss the edit feature.


  218. Eliana
    218 | October 7, 2009 1:39 pm

    re: #208 by Speranza

    …pictures of fences.

    He’s only allowed out of the institution on day passes, so he photographs whatever he can see on a day when he’s free.

    He also used to post a lot of “They’re picking on me again” threads. “We’ve got mail!” was a big one.

    His minions were all supposed to say (as Sharmuta, iceweasel and Irish Rose do to this very day), “Oh, I am so sorry you got this mean email. I want to cry! You’re such a saint.”


  219. The Rani
    219 | October 7, 2009 1:39 pm

    re: #203 by Russia on ice

    Meeeeeyoooowwwwwwlicious!


  220. 220 | October 7, 2009 1:40 pm

    We had to turn it off. It was causing errors and was slowing down the site.


  221. Russia on ice
    221 | October 7, 2009 1:41 pm

    re: #121 by Kirly

    My goodness. This sets a new benchmark for net-paranoia…

    I left of my own accord once the meltdown seemed clearly irreversible. Didn’t want to give him the pathetic narcissistic supply of banning a “flouncer”.


  222. Overlook
    222 | October 7, 2009 1:41 pm

    re: #198 by Mrs.Robinson

    If “why” demands a different sort of answer from “how”, requiring supernatural explanations, how or why is one supernatural answer to be preferred above another? That to me, is an interesting question.


  223. RIX
    223 | October 7, 2009 1:42 pm

    Over on LGF the uualified is leading the unwilling in the unnecessary.
    Charles i bloviating about the Kindle, of which he has declared himself an expert (of what is he not?”
    I recall him saying on a previous thresd that it was “comfy” to read his kindle in bed.
    Cmfy? narf, snort!


  224. snowcrash
    224 | October 7, 2009 1:42 pm

    re: #219 by The Rani

    Check out the dedication. lol


  225. Nikis Knight
    225 | October 7, 2009 1:42 pm

    re: #203 by Russia on ice

    Oh, that deserves a thread. Makes me pity poor CJ, a bit, but he’s got plenty of dings to bouy his spirits, all positive as well (after the latest corrective action, anyway).


  226. Ed Mahmoud
    226 | October 7, 2009 1:43 pm

    I guess theoretically the Belmont Abbey employee health plan probably pays for Avodart treatment for middle aged male employees who suffer enlarged prostates.

    That is how they can claim lack of payment for abortions is a gender discrimination issue.


  227. davehm
    227 | October 7, 2009 1:43 pm

    re: #211 by Mrs.Robinson

    Funny, you don’t hear pregnant women running around and telling their friends that they’re going to have a fetus.


  228. The Rani
    228 | October 7, 2009 1:43 pm

    I will hoist a beer to Vanderleun for his wit, and to RS mCCain on his fiftieth.


  229. RIX
    229 | October 7, 2009 1:44 pm

    re: #223 by RIX

    Where’s the edit?


  230. vagabond trader
    230 | October 7, 2009 1:44 pm

    “Gulls above me downdinging.”


  231. Iron Fist
    231 | October 7, 2009 1:46 pm

    re: #203 by Russia on ice

    O.M.G.

    Insultainment! I love it! And I liked Baldilocks’ comment, too. That was priceless!


  232. Eliana
    232 | October 7, 2009 1:47 pm

    re: #211 by Mrs.Robinson

    A REAL scientist wouldn’t say a fetus was “just a bunch of cells” and is not “life” either!

    REAL scientists are very clear on the fact that human beings are human beings from the moment of conception.

    It’s a scientific fact.

    What else would they be? Alligators?

    It’s the liberals (including liberals at LGF) who get into the whole “personhood” thing (as if a human being isn’t really a human being until some arbitrary point at which liberals decide that the human being is a “person”).

    It’s totally disingenuous.

    Liberals make a big show of crying for what they call science and trashing those who believe in G-d as lunatics who they believe are a danger to science itself.

    When it comes to human beings, though, they totally buy into the pseudo-science about how human beings don’t become human beings until liberals decide that they have achieved an arbitrary and totally non-scientific status called “personhood.”

    Liberals use science as a weapon when it suits them and then deny it like crazy when it doesn’t fit their goals.


  233. snowcrash
    233 | October 7, 2009 1:49 pm

    Yes, “One bird or three?” That is the eternal question that bedevils all lesser photographers when pointing their lens to the mud below or the sky above. Most would be unable to decide, but the genius of Charles Foster Johnson is that, in a whiff of rich effluvial insight, he answers, now and forever, with “Both.” In doing so, he deepens the banal by, at the very least, two birds.(see photos)

    Could it get any funnier? Nope, pure comedy gold!


  234. Eliana
    234 | October 7, 2009 1:49 pm

    re: #227 by davehm

    Funny, you don’t hear pregnant women running around and telling their friends that they’re going to have a fetus.

    Absolutely right.

    You don’t hear women say this either:

    “I just got my pregnancy test back! I’m going to have skin cells that might later turn into a person. I’m so excited!”


  235. vagabond trader
    235 | October 7, 2009 1:51 pm

    re: #225 by Nikis Knight

    I made the mistake of expressing pity for him a few weeks ago. Within an hour or so his flunkie IR had us shut down for several hours.

    A coincidence that cured me of empathy.


  236. goddessoftheclassroom
    236 | October 7, 2009 1:51 pm

    Good afternoon, y’all.

    I’ve taken care of the prayer list requests.

    For the record, for any guests reading this, I have NEVER wished, let alone prayed, for ill for ANYONE. In fact, the Prayer List includes a reference to “Our internet friends,” and many of us, including me, pray for Charles’s well-being.


  237. Eliana
    237 | October 7, 2009 1:51 pm

    re: #205 by Overlook

    Did you see that an Israeli woman scientist has won a Nobel Prize in chemistry?

    Yes, I did!

    Awesome!


  238. 238 | October 7, 2009 1:51 pm

    re: #10 by snork

    If Charles says that you were threatening his life when you said that rednecks with guns can protect zombie, I’d then ask if Charles was planning to go zombie.

    That’s the only possible way in which that can be a threat against Charles……… if CHARLES was going to physical harm zombie while ‘rednecks with guns’ were protecting her.

    On another note, I had a family member turn hyper-paranoid after the death of a loved one. I see alot of that in Charles.


  239. Mrs.Robinson
    239 | October 7, 2009 1:52 pm

    re: #222 by Overlook

    I think it is too. I like to explore all of it; from many perspectives.

    PS the “super” could be natural. ;)


  240. vagabond trader
    240 | October 7, 2009 1:52 pm

    re: #234 by Eliana

    Or looking at the sonogram and saying,”Oh look, its a boy fetus!”


  241. taxfreekiller
    241 | October 7, 2009 1:52 pm

    revised

    Little Dirty Green Socks


  242. davehm
    242 | October 7, 2009 1:53 pm

    re: #234 by Eliana

    LOL the insanity of the left.


  243. Nikis Knight
    243 | October 7, 2009 1:53 pm

    re: #236 by goddessoftheclassroom

    You could add my wife, due in May or so. She wants to avoid another c-section if at all possible.


  244. 244 | October 7, 2009 1:54 pm

    re: #203 by Russia on ice

    That is pretty darned funny!


  245. vagabond trader
    245 | October 7, 2009 1:56 pm

    Cannot decide what is more deranged, 1.0 or the artificial virginity kit in Egypt.


  246. 246 | October 7, 2009 1:57 pm

    re: #57 by Speranza

    And each time he’s more and more upset that one of his minions haven’t taken out savage.


  247. Mrs.Robinson
    247 | October 7, 2009 1:58 pm

    davehm and Eliana,
    you said it!


  248. goddessoftheclassroom
    248 | October 7, 2009 1:58 pm

    re: #243 by Nikis Knight

    Done! Congratulations on such happy news--may all be well.


  249. blondgranny
    249 | October 7, 2009 1:58 pm

    Boy, I just went over to take a look at LGF and was sickened by the current conversational tone.

    Why is everyone so angry over there? I really haven’t read anything that sounded like a real threat.

    I’m just glad to have found familiar names here. It really appears to me that that blog is becoming the “stalker” blog.

    And what is up with revealing peoples names?

    I could tell you mine but it wouldn’t really mean anything. I’m just a blond granny in the Pacific Northwest. Looking forward to retirement in 2 years and hope the Feds really can’t take my retirement.


  250. vagabond trader
    250 | October 7, 2009 2:02 pm

    The Obama goes after Catholic college and African Archbishops speak at the Vatican of his G-d like presence on earth.

    Nice.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9B6AQ5O0&show_article=1


  251. davehm
    251 | October 7, 2009 2:03 pm

    re: #246 by LanceKates

    I think that would be the only reason why he would put his name out like that, I mean really, does Savage have something to hide? is he some kind of politician or radio talk show host or something? The only reason to out someone is to hope that one his followers would act on it.


  252. Rightside
    252 | October 7, 2009 2:03 pm

    re: #248 by goddessoftheclassroom

    {goddess}


  253. vagabond trader
    253 | October 7, 2009 2:04 pm

    re: #246 by LanceKates

    No kidding.


  254. davehm
    254 | October 7, 2009 2:05 pm

    re: #245 by vagabond trader

    1.0! You can fake virginity but you can’t fake intelligence.


  255. Mrs.Robinson
    255 | October 7, 2009 2:09 pm

    re: #249 by blondgranny

    God’s country! We want to retire up that way sometime soon. Couldn’t be soon enough :)
    I am worried about my husband’s VA retirement fund. Already the money for some dependent child college fees he is supposed to receive in his retirement package (for his one and only daughter) aren’t available. The state/fed’s are broke.


  256. goddessoftheclassroom
    256 | October 7, 2009 2:10 pm

    re: #252 by Rightside

    {Rightside}!


  257. Ed Mahmoud
    257 | October 7, 2009 2:10 pm


    II. TYPES AND EXTENT OF RECOVERY

    Second, § 1981A(b) reiterates that compensatory damages do not include any relief authorized under § 706(g) of Title VII. Third, it provides a limitation on the sum of punitive damages and compensatory damages for “future pecuniary losses, emotional pain, suffering, inconvenience, mental anguish, loss of enjoyment of life, and other nonpecuniary losses.” The limitation on the amount of damages (caps) is based on the size (number of employees)6 of the respondent. The limitations are stated as follows:

    15 to 100 employees : $50,000
    101 to 200 employees : $100,000
    201 to 500 employees : $200,000
    501 employees or more : $300,000

    The limitations do not, on their face, apply to respondents who have fewer than fifteen employees, although labor organizations and employment agencies with fewer than fifteen employees may be subject to Title VII.7 Thus, a literal interpretation of the provision would potentially subject them to unlimited damages. Such an interpretation would be inconsistent with Congress’ clear intent to spare small respondents from large damage awards. The provision could also be read to mean that labor organizations and employment agencies with fewer than fifteen employees are not subject to any damages. The Commission rejects both interpretations and concludes that all covered employment agencies and labor organizations with 100 or fewer employees are subject to the $50,000 cap on damages.

    When the Commission, or an individual, is pursuing a claim on behalf of more than one person, the damage caps are to be
    applied to each aggrieved individual. For example, where the Commission files suit on behalf of ten complaining parties,
    against an employer who has 1000 employees, each complaining party may receive (to the extent appropriate) up to $300,000. The
    respondent’s total liability for all ten complaining parties may be up to $3,000,000.


  258. 258 | October 7, 2009 2:10 pm

    re: #245 by vagabond trader

    Originally from Japan, where it’s probably more of a fetish than anything else.


  259. RIX
    259 | October 7, 2009 2:11 pm

    The kindle discussion amomg the literati at LGF has devolved into a crticism of American taste in literature.
    Chuck & Walter are lamenting that Beck & Michelle Malkin have best sellers.
    I expect that pseudo-intellectual crap from the guy with the pony tail, but Walter come on!


  260. 260 | October 7, 2009 2:12 pm

    re: #255 by Mrs.Robinson

    “I know you earned it by meeting all the requirements at that time and I know that you’re counting on it, but we need to divert the funds to help pay for a sex change operation for an illegal immigrant so that they can become a female child prostitute.”

    - Obamacare.


  261. Russia on ice
    261 | October 7, 2009 2:13 pm

    re: #260 by LanceKates

    Heh.


  262. 262 | October 7, 2009 2:15 pm

    re: #259 by RIX

    Speaking of the Kindle, I was looking into one until that flap where Amazon remotely deleted the book 1984 from lots of people’s kindles, saying that they were purchased from a company that didn’t have the rights to it.

    no refund, if I recall. Just deleted and they’d have to buy it again.


  263. Mrs.Robinson
    263 | October 7, 2009 2:18 pm

    re: #260 by LanceKates

    Yes. It makes so much sense doesn’t it?

    And then we have LGF 1.ZERO drooling over evolution and wondering why those dumb Conservative/Republican books are best sellers right now.

    Yuck yuck uka uka ooh dat DUH!


  264. Gypsy Commenter
    264 | October 7, 2009 2:18 pm

    re: #196 by vagabond trader

    Didn’t know that much about Sibelius; knew Obama was all for letting babies that survived abortion be set aside to die. Infanticide, in my book. Even most pro-choicers find that a bit much.

    Sorry for the slow responses, but I think the 2.0 program is trying to ban me. Every time I try to refresh or post a comment I get kicked all the way out.


  265. 265 | October 7, 2009 2:18 pm

    re: #262 by LanceKates

    Oh they did refund it. The problem was that they didn’t warn anyone or offer an alternative source, they just reached out and it was gone.


  266. RIX
    266 | October 7, 2009 2:18 pm

    re: #262 by LanceKates

    Yeah, I recall that & it was due to the fact that they did not purchase the rights to distribute 1984.
    I believe them when they say that it was an oversight, but the disturbing thing is that they had the ability to get into your kindle & delete material.


  267. 267 | October 7, 2009 2:23 pm

    re: #265 by archonix

    Ahh, so they did refund it, ok. I hadn’t heard that part.

    re: #266 by RIX

    Well sure, reminds me of google. There must just be something in the mind of a liberal that makes it ok to just invade someone else’s private life and try to control it, as though they have a right to.


  268. Gypsy Commenter
    268 | October 7, 2009 2:23 pm

    re: #266 by RIX

    Phooey. I think I’ll stick with dead tree literature. If I drop a paperback copy of 1984, no harm done. If I drop a Kindle — there’s a chunk of change gone out the window.


  269. vagabond trader
    269 | October 7, 2009 2:25 pm

    re: #264 by Gypsy Commenter

    We’ve been in transit to another host for the last couple of weeks. Slow here too.

    Tiller,the murdered late term abortionist/baby killer was a big donor and friend of his fellow Kansan, Governor Sibelius.Birds of a feather.


  270. Ed Mahmoud
    270 | October 7, 2009 2:25 pm

    Cato has secrets, apparently

    223Throbert McGee on Oct 7, 2009 at 2:19 pm:
    [Cato,] You misogynist prick -- Do you masturbate to photos of Sarah Palin?

    One thing’s for sure — Todd Palin, or maybe Levi Johnston, would be more to Cato’s liking as wank-fodder. Which is not a closely-guarded secret, since Cato has occasionally disclosed on LGF that he’s gay. But Cato has also mentioned being closeted in real life, which puts an interesting spin on Cato’s gleeful fantasizing about Zombie being outed (as quoted in #155, above).


  271. Eliana
    271 | October 7, 2009 2:25 pm

    re: #266 by RIX

    I believe them when they say that it was an oversight, but the disturbing thing is that they had the ability to get into your kindle & delete material.

    They also deleted any notes that people had made about the material.

    I think a schoolkid just won a judgment in a lawsuit against Amazon for deleting his homework, right?


  272. RIX
    272 | October 7, 2009 2:27 pm

    Well here is a surprise, Charles is now bashing Robert Spenser. That never happens.
    It appears that Spenser is consorting with “Euro-Supremists!” new term on me.
    Further Charles is sure that their support for Israel is contrived.
    His reasoning goes that if they are opposing unchecked Muslim immigration & erosion of their laws & culture , they must really dislike Israel.


  273. 273 | October 7, 2009 2:27 pm

    Charles is doing guilt by association again.

    “Loonwatch missed one point here — the group that sponsored Spencer’s speech, Bürgerbewegung Pax Europa (BPE), is also affiliated with the Belgian fascist party Vlaams Belang. In 2007, BPE leader Udo Ulfkotte was one of the main organizers of the “Stop Islamization” protest in Brussels, at which Vlaams Belang leader Filip DeWinter was a featured speaker.”


  274. Carolina Girl
    274 | October 7, 2009 2:30 pm

    re: #259 by RIX

    Someone needs to remind Walter that Beck and Malkin have NON-fiction best sellers, It isn’t like they are providing competition for To Kill a Mockingbird for shit’s sake.

    Political non-fiction always does well for conservative writers. Mostly because there aren’t any newspapers or magazines giving an accurate account of current events.


  275. RIX
    275 | October 7, 2009 2:30 pm

    re: #273 by Rodan

    He does guilt through association so well, unless of course it is Obama’s past & present associations.


  276. Gypsy Commenter
    276 | October 7, 2009 2:30 pm

    re: #269 by vagabond trader

    Sibelius also made a royal mess in Kansas, didn’t she, or am a I thinking of Napolitano? I seem to remember in January a lot of Kansans were posting “Hallelujah! She’s outta here!” in comments all around the blogs.


  277. Rightside
    277 | October 7, 2009 2:31 pm

    re: #259 by RIX

    Let’s see their books, and compare them to MM’s

    Oh, that’s right, walter and hippie don’t have any yet.


  278. Mrs.Robinson
    278 | October 7, 2009 2:32 pm

    I will cherish the day I see all the Obama books in a pile on the bargain bin table!


  279. 279 | October 7, 2009 2:32 pm

    re: #275 by RIX

    Yeah selrahC’s idol Obama gets a pass for Rev. Wright and Bill Ayres.


  280. Eliana
    280 | October 7, 2009 2:32 pm

    The Kindle has never appealed to me.

    If Apple comes out with an iPad, however, I will buy it.

    Although I read books when I have the time, I’m far more likely to read PDF files. I have a vast collection of PDF files from technical resources and I also make my own PDF files based on excerpts from my own research.

    If Apples comes out with an iPad (which would be roughly the size of a book or a sheet of paper so that an entire PDF file page could fit on it), I would buy it and place zillions of PDF files on it.

    I would love the convenience of having all of them together like that so that I can through them and read them at will.

    I don’t want anyone putting things on my iPad (if it ever exists) or deleting anything. I’ll control my own iPad, if they ever build it.

    I keep watching for the iPad. It’s a non-existence product that already has a market waiting for it.

    The iPad screen will be in color.


  281. 281 | October 7, 2009 2:33 pm

    re: #31 by Ed Mahmoud

    Let’s not use “homosexual” as an insult. M’Kay!

    (Just an FYI, this goes for ALL NETIZEN!)


  282. davehm
    282 | October 7, 2009 2:33 pm

    re: #274 by Carolina Girl

    “Political non-fiction always does well for conservative writers. Mostly because there aren’t any newspapers or magazines giving an accurate account of current events.”

    And lets not forget, conservatives know how to read. ;)


  283. vagabond trader
    283 | October 7, 2009 2:33 pm

    re: #276 by Gypsy Commenter

    Sibelius-Kansas

    Napolitano-Arizona

    Both to DC where fck ups are rewarded with more power and our money.

    :-)


  284. Gypsy Commenter
    284 | October 7, 2009 2:34 pm

    re: #274 by Carolina Girl

    Also, as Ann Coulter once commented, “Conservatives read books; Liberals don’t” — explaining why conservative books were usually bestsellers, while liberal books tended to die on the vine and end up in the remainder bins.


  285. RIX
    285 | October 7, 2009 2:34 pm

    re: #274 by Carolina Girl

    Right & the other thing is that Conservatives seem to read more than Liberals. I find that among my friends & family.
    Libs seem to like to listen to NPR a lot.
    My disappointment is that it looks like Walters conversion is complete.
    The pod people have emerged.


  286. Eliana
    286 | October 7, 2009 2:37 pm

    re: #272 by RIX

    His reasoning goes that if they are opposing unchecked Muslim immigration & erosion of their laws & culture , they must really dislike Israel.

    CJ is going to have to turn on Israel sooner rather than later.

    Israel has given great honors to Oscar Schindler who was a member in good standing of the Nazi Party.

    Israel has designated Oscar Schindler as a “righteous gentile” although he was a Nazi himself. He didn’t simply have neighbors whose hairdressers were cousins of people who once met a Nazi at some point in their lives.


  287. 287 | October 7, 2009 2:37 pm

    For the last week or so, Muslim-Israelis and non-Israeli Muslims, have been rioting in Jerusalem, attacking Jews, etc.

    This behavior has been encouraged by the “loyal” Israeli-Muslims/Arabs throughout Israel, including actual Israeli-Muslim Members of Knesset!

    A proud Jew with his head on straight regarding this issue has an idea.

    MK Levin: Revoke Raad Salah’s Citizenship and Expel Him

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133750

    RE: The so-called “loyal” Israeli-Muslims that Avigdore Lieberman warned about (and Meir Kahane long before him)

    Levin, who understands Arabic, said that he hears what the Arab Knesset Members say and knows that they offer more than quiet support for the rioters, and that they themselves “stoke the fire” with clear incitement. An example of this can be found in the Balad party’s internet website, which is funded with Israeli taxpayers’ money, but lauds former Balad leader Azmi Bishara, who has escaped Israel after being investigated for treasonous activity.

    Balad, he said, is even more extreme than the Palestinian Authority, as could be seen from its criticism and denunciations of the PA chairman for failing to act upon the Goldstone report.

    Re: Israeli weakness with dealing with the traitorous Israeli-Muslims/Arabs

    Levin said that Israel must not fear violent responses by the Arabs to assertions of its sovereignty throughout Jerusalem and specifically on the Temple Mount. “If we live our lives according to fears of Arab rioting we will not go far,” he said. “We need to be the ‘owners of the house’ and to behave accordingly.”

    Regarding Sheikh Raad Salah, Levin said Israel should withdraw his citizenship and expel him from its territory, and that it should do the same for other inciters like him. At the same time, he said, it should determine regular arrangements for the ascent of Jews to the Temple Mount. The Israeli hesitation to act in this spirit is what causes more and more riots, he said.

    He is from Likud…and he is right! Treason is treason, whether you are Jewish or Arab/Muslim. Being Israeli-Muslim should not used as a sword or a shield.


  288. vagabond trader
    288 | October 7, 2009 2:38 pm

    re: #278 by Mrs.Robinson

    Already saw that at my local grocery store. Last Novemeber all the dreck was arranged like a holy shrine, today it is an inglorious mark down pile.btw,this is an uber lefty state too.

    :D


  289. Gypsy Commenter
    289 | October 7, 2009 2:40 pm

    Ooops. Gotta run! See y’all later.


  290. Carolina Girl
    290 | October 7, 2009 2:40 pm

    re: #285 by RIX

    Sad, really -- I held out great hope for Walter.
    I’m also curious, for those that are still checking out the threads at 1.0, whether Dianna and lawhawk are still commenting there post-zombie banning.


  291. Ed Mahmoud
    291 | October 7, 2009 2:40 pm

    I don’t use homosexual as an insult, as a general rule.

    Sometimes I slip when discussing a certain dancing clown that lives in the swers.

    http://web.orange.co.uk/images/ice/film/zombieland_c1c170d370bfaed8fcf0644703115a07.jpg


  292. goddessoftheclassroom
    292 | October 7, 2009 2:43 pm

    Just an idea to share…

    I have the iPod Touch. I use it for music, a clock, a timer, a calendar, notes, etc. I have the Kindle application on it, and I’ve discovered there are TONS of free or less-than-a-dollar classics available. The font is adjustable, and with a swipe of a finger I can turn the page. The iPod fits in my purse, so it travels very easily. It also has internet capability when I’m in a WiFi area.


  293. RIX
    293 | October 7, 2009 2:43 pm

    re: #286 by Eliana

    I agree with you, CJ is setting the table to turn on Israel.
    I think that he will first criticise Bibi & laud “moderate” voices. Gradually it will just be anti-Israel.
    I also think thaty he will turn on American troops. He started with criticising our interogators.


  294. Mrs.Robinson
    294 | October 7, 2009 2:44 pm

    re: #288 by vagabond trader
    Ha ha!!! Yay! That’s good to hear!


  295. Centaur
    295 | October 7, 2009 2:45 pm

    At 1.0 this morning there was a front page post about the news that Obama had cut funding to the Iranian Human Right group.

    That is the type of headline that would be the norm up until recently. The telling thing, though, is that this was posted so matter-of-factly, with an essentially “here’s this news” one-sentence intro to the link by Charles. No comment. No opinion. None of the passion, contempt, or stinging adjectives reserved for the likes of Glen Beck (who I have honestly never watched, by the way) … that I wondered why even bother? So that’s when I went to comment and discovered my being blocked.


  296. vagabond trader
    296 | October 7, 2009 2:45 pm

    re: #287 by WrathofG-d

    They need to get rid of all the fifth columnists. Allowing this sedition is weakness and Arabs go on feeding frenzies when they detect weakness. Enough!


  297. Nevergiveup
    297 | October 7, 2009 2:45 pm

    re: #290 by Carolina Girl

    Yeah Walter dissapoints me. Lawhawk probably is. I have no idea about Dianna. Well I am getting ready for the Yankee game tonight.


  298. RIX
    298 | October 7, 2009 2:48 pm

    re: #290 by Carolina Girl

    Yeah, I find Walter a real disappointment.
    I never really thought that he would cave in.


  299. 299 | October 7, 2009 2:48 pm

    I don’t think CJ will ever be an atheist; he will proclaim himself God before that happens.


  300. davehm
    300 | October 7, 2009 2:51 pm

    re: #293 by RIX

    It’s par for the course, a person can’t take a left wing stance and remain pro Israel(it’s not their party line). I think that turning against Israel is going to start by taking a subtle pro Palestinian position.


  301. song_and_dance_man
    301 | October 7, 2009 2:51 pm

    re: #16 by Beltfed

    lol

    Did you make that?


  302. waldensianspirit
    302 | October 7, 2009 2:53 pm

    re: #300 by davehm

    Ah! We can then put up a Baalistinian Police training thread with ole’ pictures from 1.0


  303. Nevergiveup
    303 | October 7, 2009 2:53 pm

    re: #300 by davehm

    Well wait till Obama makes Israel an offer they cant’s refuse and then we will see?


  304. 304 | October 7, 2009 2:53 pm

    re: #296 by vagabond trader

    I believe that is exactly his point. You, and he (and I, and Avigdore, and Meir) are RIGHT!

    As the article states, you have the website for a political party in Israel, who has representatives in the Israeli Knesset (Balad) supporting, and lauding in Arabic (but not English or Hebrew) an actual traitor to Israel. (he was going to be brought up on charges for having worked as a spy to Hiz’b'allah during the Second Lebanon War, but fled to Lebanon before his arrest)

    At the same time you have Israeli-Muslims/Arabs rioting in the streets, and Israeli Muslim/Arab officials encouraging and fanning the flames against the Country.

    The Traitors MUST GO!


  305. vagabond trader
    305 | October 7, 2009 2:54 pm

    re: #304 by WrathofG-d

    We are sooooo banned!


  306. 306 | October 7, 2009 2:56 pm

    re: #305 by vagabond trader

    Say it loud….in many ways -- Kahane was right!

    Blogmocracy: Pro-Israel


  307. song_and_dance_man
    307 | October 7, 2009 2:57 pm

    re: #67 by Ed Mahmoud

    One bit of misinformation there. There were no Friday Night Drinking Threads in 2004. That term was coined by really grumpy big dog johnson in 2006


  308. Moe Katz
    308 | October 7, 2009 2:58 pm

    re: #300 by davehm

    As I said last night, the flow of events will probably determine when Charles makes his big move on Israel. But there are still many pro-Israel Jews left there, and all hell will break loose, I suspect.


  309. 309 | October 7, 2009 2:58 pm

    If anybody is interested, I wrote a couple of movie reviews. They’re on the Civil War films Gettysburg & Gods And Generals. Here’s the link.


  310. RIX
    310 | October 7, 2009 2:58 pm

    re: #300 by davehm

    That’s what I think. The mind of a Leftist eventually gets around to being anti-Israel & Charles will too openly.
    I wonder how many of his minions will go along?


  311. Eliana
    311 | October 7, 2009 2:59 pm

    re: #300 by davehm

    It’s par for the course, a person can’t take a left wing stance and remain pro Israel(it’s not their party line). I think that turning against Israel is going to start by taking a subtle pro Palestinian position.

    He may take the phony Obama stand first (ie, the one where Obama claims to be acting in Israel’s best interests when he puts pressure on Israel to commit national suicide).

    When was the last time CJ called suicide bombers by the name “splodeydopes”? He doesn’t put up the photo of Abu Mazen smoking a cigarette with a text bubble over his head anymore either.

    Also, CJ doesn’t have “Palestinian Child Abuse” threads anymore or “Palestinian Car Swarm” threads (although I think those were delegated to a photo archive on his site a long time ago).

    CJ will start saying that he loves Israel and hopes that Israel will go along with Obama’s wonderful (ha!) and realistic (ha!) plans for peace in the Middle East.

    CJ won’t ever acknowledge that Obama is trying to help the Muslim world by pressuring Israelis into losing the Jewish National Homeland / State of Israel.


  312. song_and_dance_man
    312 | October 7, 2009 2:59 pm

    re: #307 by song_and_dance_man

    Oh wait I just checked. It was coined in 2004. My apologies Ed.


  313. davehm
    313 | October 7, 2009 3:00 pm

    re: #303 by Nevergiveup

    He has, “stop the settlements in the west bank”,
    BO has given Israel an ultimatum but not to Iran, they get a free pass.


  314. Moe Katz
    314 | October 7, 2009 3:00 pm

    re: #306 by WrathofG-d

    I don’t think Kahane was particularly good for the Jews, or anyone else for that matter. I hope you aren’t equating support for Israel with Kach type politics.


  315. vagabond trader
    315 | October 7, 2009 3:01 pm

    re: #308 by Moe Katz

    I went over there this morning and cannot understand how alouette is happily singing in that choir. It is nauseating and she should be ashamed of herself.


  316. Nevergiveup
    316 | October 7, 2009 3:01 pm

    The new US missile defense plan looks less threatening than a Bush-era program scrapped by President Barack Obama, Russian’s news agencies quoted Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov as saying Wednesday.

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1254861893529&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    Well sure it does. And when you consider that the USA does NOT HAVE the aegis anti- ballistic missile missiles do do the job why wouldn’t the Ruskies love it?

    Aegis warships are suitable for ballistic-missile defense because they can carry so many SM-3 interceptors. Cruisers have 122 vertical launch system missile tubes and destroyers have 90 or 96, depending on their flight. But there aren’t even that many missiles in the whole U.S. arsenal — yet. The Pentagon has “more than 40” SM-3s today, according to Missile Defense Agency spokesman Chris Taylor. It requested funds for 147 missiles in fiscal 2009 and planned to request funding for 218 missiles in fiscal 2010.

    http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/navy_stout_bmd_100609w/


  317. Eliana
    317 | October 7, 2009 3:01 pm

    re: #311 by Eliana

    Correcting a typo:

    CJ won’t ever acknowledge that Obama is trying to please the Muslim world by pressuring Israelis into losing the Jewish National Homeland / State of Israel.


  318. Carolina Girl
    318 | October 7, 2009 3:03 pm

    re: #292 by goddessoftheclassroom

    I do the same thing with my iPhone -- have a kindle-type application. But I don’t know -- I love the feel of a book too much to go with it full time.

    I really love the darn iPhone, except the keyboard for texting, etc. If you have nails, it’s a pain.

    I hear that the Apple version of the “netbook” is in actuality going to be some sort of mega-sized iPhone. Hmmmm….not thinking I’d be liking that.

    We may be getting another netbook in the house. I currently have a Gateway. Has anyone else done a recent netbook purchase can can provide a review of the product?


  319. davehm
    319 | October 7, 2009 3:04 pm

    re: #311 by Eliana

    see my 313

    BO has given Israel an ultimatum and none to Iran, that speaks volumes.


  320. Moe Katz
    320 | October 7, 2009 3:05 pm

    re: #315 by vagabond trader

    Great microsociology lab, this LGF business. The manufacture of consensus, if I may be permitted to paraphrase Chomsky.


  321. waldensianspirit
    321 | October 7, 2009 3:06 pm

    re: #314 by Moe Katz

    Curious, who do you think is better?


  322. Nevergiveup
    322 | October 7, 2009 3:07 pm

    Strong winds in the Bronx may play havoc tonight with the Yanks-Twins game?


  323. 323 | October 7, 2009 3:08 pm

    re: #314 by Moe Katz

    I don’t think Kahane was particularly good for the Jews, or anyone else for that matter. I hope you aren’t equating support for Israel with Kach type politics.

    1. You don’t think Kahane was particularly good for the Jews. That is fine you have a right to your opinion. However, as is typical you changed the subject. I said “Kahane -- on most things was RIGHT”. This, I believe, is evident by reality, and facts. I didn’t say he was good or bad, only that he was right. When you read the books of Meir Kahane you quickly realize that this was an individual who was assessing the grim realities of Israel, no matter how harsh and unpopular. What he warned about in the 60s and 70s has come true. Many might not like what he had to say (I don’t necessarily) but sometimes reality is uncomfortable.

    2. Equating support for Israel with Kach type politics. I don’t think you did this on purpose, but that is an LGF-like dodge, and claim. I stated that Meir Kahane was on many things RIGHT. I said nothing about Kach, or Kahane Chai, or any of his followers. It is not appropriate or accurate to say that by my saying that on many issues, Kahane was right that automatically means that I support Kach, or any of Kahane’s supporters. When it comes to me, I say what I mean, and mean what I say. Usually not much more, or less. Do you have to buy into Kahane’s ideas 100% to be “pro Israel”? No, of course not. However, one should not fool themselves into thinking that what he said is not coming true, and is more based on reality than many of the other options of “pro Israel” sentiment.

    Once we get this out of the way, we can move forward.


  324. Nevergiveup
    324 | October 7, 2009 3:09 pm

    re: #322 by Nevergiveup

    As an aside, right before the long haired hippie banned me he started deleting all my sports posts


  325. Eliana
    325 | October 7, 2009 3:09 pm

    re: #318 by Carolina Girl

    I really love the darn iPhone, except the keyboard for texting, etc. If you have nails, it’s a pain.

    There is a stylus available that works on the iPhone for people with nails.

    Think Geek: Pogo iPhone Stylus


  326. goddessoftheclassroom
    326 | October 7, 2009 3:09 pm

    re: #318 by Carolina Girl

    Oh, I LOVE real books, too, but my iPod is great for killing time while having to wait!

    I agree about the keyboard--it’s taken some practice, and I’m still not very fast.


  327. Moe Katz
    327 | October 7, 2009 3:09 pm

    re: #321 by waldensianspirit

    Just about anybody. I’ve read a little bit of what Kahane had to say, and he wouldn’t have given me any rights in Israel because he’d consider me a secular Jew. He advocated a theocracy in Israel, and expulsion of the Israeli Arabs. That’s not my Zionism, thank you.


  328. Moe Katz
    328 | October 7, 2009 3:11 pm

    re: #323 by WrathofG-d

    I’m more into tough love with the Arabs. Kahane was into tough hate.


  329. jeppo
    329 | October 7, 2009 3:13 pm

    re: #273 by Rodan

    Charles is now using loonwatch.com as a source?!?!?!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    I found this comment in a link provided by one of the admins at loonwatch.com:

    “I’ve been fond of transfer of these subhumans for a while. Perhaps something more like targeted genocide will become necessary.”

    http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2004/10/29/hatred-revealed/

    Was this comment made by Filip Dewinter or another member of Vlaams Belang. Nope. Was it made by a member of the German anti-Islamist group BPE? No again. Was it made by Robert Spencer or a commenter at Jihad Watch? Still no.

    It was a comment found at the notorious exterminationist blog littlegreenfootballs.com, proprietor Charles Foster Johnson.

    Consider yourself hoisted on your own petard, selrahC.


  330. Rightside
    330 | October 7, 2009 3:14 pm

    re: #316 by Nevergiveup

    That’s exactly what I did in the Navy, Doc!


  331. snowcrash
    331 | October 7, 2009 3:14 pm

    Seems curious that yesterday, Cato the elder blasted Irish Rose for leaving scolding comments at zomblog and stirring ill will. Today, under an alias, Cato leaves threatening comments at zomblog. LOL. Hopefully IrishRose is reading this and knows what we all know now. Cato is a sneaky hypocrite.


  332. Eliana
    332 | October 7, 2009 3:14 pm

    re: #314 by Moe Katz

    Moe, if you look at quotes from Kahane, much of what he said back then is conventional wisdom in mainstream Israel today.

    It doesn’t mean that most people support his tactics.

    A lot of what he said was right, though.

    Meir Kahane Quotes

    Examples:

    Above all, it is not decency or goodness of gentleness that impresses the Middle East, but strength.
    Meir Kahane

    I see all this and know that if we are to save the Jewish state and its three-and-a-half million Jews from terrible horrors, we must rise up and demand a fundamental change in the very system of government.
    Meir Kahane

    If we ever hope to rid the world of the political AIDS of our time, terrorism, the rule must be clear: One does not deal with terrorists; one does not bargain with terrorists; one kills terrorists.
    Meir Kahane

    It is incumbent upon us to understand our greatness and believe in it so that we do not cheapen and profane ourselves.
    Meir Kahane

    Jews have been in Egypt since Biblical times, and Alexandria had once been, at least partially, a Jewish city.
    Meir Kahane

    Let us not suffer from a national amnesia that causes us to forget who and what we are.
    Meir Kahane

    Life is essentially a question of values.
    Meir Kahane


  333. 333 | October 7, 2009 3:15 pm

    re: #327 by Moe Katz

    Moe,

    I’m sorry its not “your Zionism”, but this is why I stated that sometimes reality is uncomfortable.

    As for the Theocracy, your statement of “no rights” is simply wrong. I suggest you do a bit more than “a little reading” (which I’ll be honest I have trouble believing) and get a larger understanding of what a he was suggesting.

    As for expelling Arabs…its about time that you grew up in your thinking a bit. It is uncomfortable, and really hard to accept, but the Israeli-Muslims are NOT loyal, and ARE a problem. This can be documented nearly daily. They do not consider themselves to be Israeli, and are treasonous. They are Phakestinians waiting for the day that Israel is destroyed. They are Arab-Muslim settlers on Israeli soil. I am not happy with these facts, but that doesn’t change their truthfulness.


  334. vagabond trader
    334 | October 7, 2009 3:15 pm

    re: #328 by Moe Katz

    Hard to implement tough love when Arab Israelis have full rights and use them like a hammer against their Jewish countrymen.


  335. chickadee
    335 | October 7, 2009 3:16 pm

    re: #293 by RIX

    He’s such a wimp, the way he has to slowly turn the screws on all that he once held dear. I would have almost respected the jerk if he would have just announced a year ago, ‘ok, losers, get out of here unless you’re willing to give up your views and opinions and accept mine as gospel, because i’m a big lib shitbird today.”

    We could have just said, “whoa dude, ok, whatever.”


  336. Nevergiveup
    336 | October 7, 2009 3:16 pm

    re: #330 by Rightside

    The SM-3s? Or Cruisers/Destroyers?


  337. BIGSTARXXX
    337 | October 7, 2009 3:16 pm

    re: #178 by Speranza

    sadly that loon represents my district

    I have thought about running for office myself to get that POS out of office -- he’ll die with his job, though

    OT: Anyone seen the latest smear against Robert Spencer via LGF 1.0 ?

    Hey CJ if you are reading -- why are you such a douchebag ?


  338. Moe Katz
    338 | October 7, 2009 3:17 pm

    re: #333 by WrathofG-d

    Wrath, I have read stuff by Kahane. If you are calling me a liar, fuck off. End of conversation.


  339. Nevergiveup
    339 | October 7, 2009 3:18 pm

    re: #338 by Moe Katz

    Now boys play nice


  340. goddessoftheclassroom
    340 | October 7, 2009 3:18 pm

    re: #335 by chickadee

    THAT’S the real issue: the inherent dishonesty.


  341. 341 | October 7, 2009 3:18 pm

    re: #328 by Moe Katz

    I won’t get sucked into a 3rd person, no evidence discussion from someone who admittedly has only “read a little”.

    btw: What have you read?

    If you wish to provide actual evidence to your claims of “hate” vs. “love”, please do so.

    Or you can just do yourself a real favor and read “They Must Go!” by Meir Kahane, then tell me why he is wrong.


  342. vagabond trader
    342 | October 7, 2009 3:18 pm

    re: #335 by chickadee

    I think he actually enjoys turning the screws slowly. Hes a sanctimonious sadistic shitbird.


  343. Moe Katz
    343 | October 7, 2009 3:18 pm

    re: #332 by Eliana

    Sure, he said some things that ring true. But so did other Zionists who were democratically oriented. So who needs the truth coming out of the mouth of this fascist?


  344. Nevergiveup
    344 | October 7, 2009 3:18 pm

    Yanks/Sabathia give up lead off double and strand the runner. Jeter to lead off in the bottom of the frist.


  345. 345 | October 7, 2009 3:19 pm

    re: #338 by Moe Katz

    Very nice use of evidence, and facts. However, I am used to being told to “_____ off” when the person I am debating with no longer has a valid argument.

    How is that Harvard study going? :)


  346. 346 | October 7, 2009 3:19 pm

    re: #343 by Moe Katz

    “Fascist”? Hahahahahahahhahahahahaha.

    You’re cute Moe.


  347. Moe Katz
    347 | October 7, 2009 3:21 pm

    re: #334 by vagabond trader

    But you can’t overgeneralize about the Israeli Arabs. Some are very well integrated. Most do not want to join a Pali state. If you look at opinion polls, you see how mixed their attitudes really are.


  348. Eliana
    348 | October 7, 2009 3:22 pm

    re: #314 by Moe Katz

    Israel does need to change its form of government.

    I’m not talking about moving to a theocracy.

    Israel’s government is run by parties whose members have no constituents that can complain to them about what they’re doing. They please the party bosses to get a spot on the party’s list.

    Also, Israel’s Supreme Court has been replacing its own retired justices with more liberals like themselves (so that it’s a closed liberal club). Israel is working on fixing this problem as we speak, but it needs to go farther.

    Socialists were in power when Israel was founded, so Israel has been breaking the shackles (and the shekels) of socialism for a long, long time.

    Changing the government is something a lot of people in Israel want to see happen.


  349. Moe Katz
    349 | October 7, 2009 3:22 pm

    re: #346 by WrathofG-d

    If you admire a guy who wanted to turn Israel into Torahstan, gesunterheit.


  350. chickadee
    350 | October 7, 2009 3:23 pm

    re: #331 by snowcrash

    CJ’s kapos are extremely jealous of each other and competitive for his attention. He is running a very dysfunctional outfit over there. There is no honor among such losers.
    They would claw each other’s eyes out if they thought it would make CJ like them more.
    Just imagine how Sharmie tosses and turns at night worried that CJ is dreaming of weaselhole. And then have to show up on the thread and do the ‘waves and blow kisses’ thing to the rodent.


  351. Moe Katz
    351 | October 7, 2009 3:24 pm

    Let’s let it go, okay, folks? This is threatening to become acrimonious :)

    /


  352. 352 | October 7, 2009 3:25 pm

    re: #347 by Moe Katz

    If you look at opinion polls, you see how mixed their attitudes really are.

    Eh…WRONG!

    Please provide The Blogmocracy with these “opinion polls” you speak of.


  353. chickadee
    353 | October 7, 2009 3:25 pm

    re: #340 by goddessoftheclassroom

    Yes, it was so disheartening to see the foundation, of what we admired and respected, slowly crumble.


  354. waldensianspirit
    354 | October 7, 2009 3:26 pm

    re: #343 by Moe Katz

    He was assassinated for what he believed. I’ve never found any evidence he ever harmed anyone nor that he was about tough hate. I respect him for his analysis and clear thinking. He helped a lot of Jews from what I read; many from Russia.

    Where is Dershowitz [I've listened to the debates]? How is he helping you?


  355. 355 | October 7, 2009 3:26 pm

    re: #349 by Moe Katz

    I see you are sticking with the name-calling, and avoiding the facts again.

    I don’t believe this is contributing to an honest, and educational debate.


  356. Moe Katz
    356 | October 7, 2009 3:27 pm

    re: #348 by Eliana

    Yes, I agree reform is needed. I don’t see what that has to do with rehabilitating the reputation of Kahane and his Kach cohorts, who are officially considered terrorists even in Israel.


  357. RIX
    357 | October 7, 2009 3:27 pm

    re: #335 by chickadee

    Yes it would have been more honest if he had thrown down the gauntlet & said, “This is now a Progressive blog & Conservatives will not feel comfortable. I suggest that you find a place where you will be more comfortable.
    But he didn’t do that because he is a sadistic bully. He likes to see people grovel & they do.
    He likes the bannings & timeouts.
    At heart like all bullies, he is really a coward.


  358. Eliana
    358 | October 7, 2009 3:28 pm

    re: #347 by Moe Katz

    But you can’t overgeneralize about the Israeli Arabs. Some are very well integrated. Most do not want to join a Pali state. If you look at opinion polls, you see how mixed their attitudes really are.

    They don’t call themselves “Israeli Arabs” anymore. They now call themselves “Palestinians” and their leaders (the Arabs who are Ministers in the Knesset) formally deny Israel’s right to exist.

    The “Israeli Arabs” who now call themselves “Palestinians” don’t want to leave Israel because they have good lives in Israel. However, their formal demand (as a population within Israel) is that Israel should change its name, change its national anthem, change its flag, and allow unfettered immigration of Arabs into Israel.

    Individual Arabs in Israel may like Israel, but the group as a whole is now in the hands of their Arab leaders in the Knesset who are flat-out traitors to Israel and who deny that Israel has the right to exist.

    This is the situation in Israel right now and it’s causing some social unrest.


  359. vagabond trader
    359 | October 7, 2009 3:28 pm

    re: #347 by Moe Katz

    Moe,I’m glad we don’t have to deal with it personally on a daily basis,just don’t think I would be able to trust such a large Arab presence living so close.Given the opportunity would the neutrals join in the destruction of Israel? Who knows for sure.


  360. Nevergiveup
    360 | October 7, 2009 3:29 pm

    Well A-rod’s up with a man on second (Jeter). lets see if he still sucks in post season


  361. Eliana
    361 | October 7, 2009 3:30 pm

    re: #358 by Eliana

    P.S. The “Palestinians” in Israel are also demanding that Israel stop allowing Jews to immigrate to Israel.


  362. Lizzie_in_Texas
    362 | October 7, 2009 3:31 pm

    re: #318 by Carolina Girl

    Per my Lenovo rep – they are all about the same. Designed for the consumer (vs. business client). They all have “Home” version of OS and other software. We were considering them for our executives required to carry for e-mail and such and they put a stop to that idea (we are a large company and require some internally developed software that is designed to run on the full versions of OS’ and MS Office Pro etc. It really just depends on which “plan/service” you want to go with. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE (I don’t this example is true). If you want a Sprint plan you will need to purchase X make of laptop (say Dell). Lenovo will be offering a 13” full laptop 2Q2010 that features full OS and will be for the corporate users. It will be the x100e.

    Got to run. Going home!


  363. Moe Katz
    363 | October 7, 2009 3:31 pm

    re: #358 by Eliana

    A lot of the Israeli Arabs are in the mainstream parties, however. And they are not advocating dismantling Israel. The radical Arab parties don’t represent a majority of Israeli Arabs.


  364. Nevergiveup
    364 | October 7, 2009 3:31 pm

    Yeah he still sucks


  365. vagabond trader
    365 | October 7, 2009 3:31 pm

    re: #358 by Eliana

    They are fifth columnists.Why are they not being tried as traitors or at least stripped of citizenship.Is this not possible by Israeli law?


  366. Nevergiveup
    366 | October 7, 2009 3:32 pm

    iceweasel
    Wed, Oct 7, 2009 3:31:23pm
    1
    down
    up
    report
    re: #63 ArchangelMichael

    It’s only 1/3 of that number remember. The other’s are Kejda’s and Killgore’s.

    /doucher

    Brilliant.

    I totally nominate the nickname “The Douche” for referring to the Blog of the Damned, rather than “The Deuce”. Those who frequent it are already douchebags, so this is perfect.

    Can I know officially call her a cunt?


  367. RIX
    367 | October 7, 2009 3:32 pm

    Be warned my friends, Ice Weasel hss now risen from her coffin , leaving her native soil.
    Unlike other Vampires this one is warded off by mocking & derisive laughter.


  368. 368 | October 7, 2009 3:33 pm

    re: #356 by Moe Katz

    Yes, I agree reform is needed. I don’t see what that has to do with rehabilitating the reputation of Kahane and his Kach cohorts, who are officially considered terrorists even in Israel.

    ….and his Kach cohorts.

    Again you are spinning the conversation, and using facts not in evidence. As far as I have read, no one has mentioned Kach -except YOU. I understand that the “Kach is a terrorist organization” is the only argument you have, but that doesn’t give you leeway to add it into the conversation where it is irrelevant.

    Kahane is not “considered a terrorist” in Israel. That is (another) lie. Kach was banned, but Kahane was not. Why he was banned (after being elected a MK) can be best understood by reading “Reform or Referrendum” by Meir Kahane. But you should also ask yourself my Kach is a “terrorist” organization but Balad is not! Why Kach was banned but “Balad”, and the other Arab parties are not.

    But to do so would require you to use facts…so…


  369. snowcrash
    369 | October 7, 2009 3:33 pm

    re: #350 by chickadee

    I can’t figure out who Cato was trying to impress with his antics. He used a sock that medaura was familiar with. Maybe he was making mischief for their personal enjoyment. lol.


  370. chickadee
    370 | October 7, 2009 3:33 pm

    re: #342 by vagabond trader

    He is hysterical and out of control.
    Paranoid, full of venom and anger. Combative.
    Reactionary. He picks fights needlessly.
    He has attacked everyone who he once considered a friend. And every belief he once held sacred is under the bus.
    Normal people don’t behave this way.


  371. 371 | October 7, 2009 3:34 pm

    re: #363 by Moe Katz

    A lot of the Israeli Arabs are in the mainstream parties, however. And they are not advocating dismantling Israel. The radical Arab parties don’t represent a majority of Israeli Arabs.

    Another baseless statement. Please provide proof.


  372. vagabond trader
    372 | October 7, 2009 3:35 pm

    re: #367 by RIX

    I am running on the theory that icehole is also Jimmah until evidence says otherwise.

    Prove me wrong.

    :mrgreen:


  373. Rightside
    373 | October 7, 2009 3:35 pm

    re: #336 by Nevergiveup

    The Aegis system, on both cruisers and destroyers. SM3 was ramping up as I neared retirement, but watched all the optests, e.g. stellar hammer, etc.


  374. Nikis Knight
    374 | October 7, 2009 3:35 pm

    re: #358 by Eliana

    Instead of persuading people to change with him, or attempting to, he’s trying to change them with group-think and bullying.


  375. Eliana
    375 | October 7, 2009 3:36 pm

    re: #347 by Moe Katz

    Please understand that the situation in Israel has changed significantly in the last few years.

    The Arabs formerly known as “Israeli Arabs” are no longer shy about denying Israel’s right to exist.

    It’s formal. The Arab leaders wrote up their demands.

    What they’re trying to do is to grab Israel as a nation before the likes of Abu Mazen gets his hands on it. What one of the leaders said was along the lines of, “They [the other 'Palestinians'] will have THEIR Palestine and we’ll have ours.”

    The Arabs formerly known as “Israeli Arabs” want to be in charge of Israel before the other Arabs who are now known as “Palestinians” get into the country. The formerly “Israeli Arabs” are calling dibs on the entire nation of Israel.

    Jews in Israel (even liberals) are noticing that this is going on.

    This is one of the reasons why Israel has taken a sharp turn to the right.


  376. Moe Katz
    376 | October 7, 2009 3:36 pm

    re: #371 by WrathofG-d

    I don’t have to prove anything to you, you fascist shmuck. Now fuck off and die.


  377. Nikis Knight
    377 | October 7, 2009 3:36 pm

    re: #374 by Nikis Knight

    Sorry, should have been to 357.


  378. snowcrash
    378 | October 7, 2009 3:37 pm

    re: #369 by snowcrash

    Dude, who cares. How much you want to bet she is a fat, gross, hairy girl. She spends too much time at the computer to be anything else. lol. Oh yeah and probably has those beautiful teeth the British health care system famously produces.


  379. goddessoftheclassroom
    379 | October 7, 2009 3:37 pm

    re: #367 by RIX

    Actually, this exchange from the classic Casablanca comes to mind:

    Ugarte: You despise me, don’t you?

    Rick: If I gave you any thought, I probably would.


  380. lobo91
    380 | October 7, 2009 3:38 pm

    re: #322 by Nevergiveup

    Strong winds in the Bronx may play havoc tonight with the Yanks-Twins game?

    Sure did with the Rockies/Phillies gamer theis afternoon.

    Balls were going all sorts of directions in the outfield,


  381. chickadee
    381 | October 7, 2009 3:39 pm

    re: #357 by RIX

    He is a bully. And when posters ask to be let back in after a banning, he publicly rubs their noses in it. That’s cruel.
    How can these people stay there on pins and needles fearful of expressing themselves. How humiliating. It’s not worth it.


  382. Nevergiveup
    382 | October 7, 2009 3:39 pm

    re: #373 by Rightside

    Seems like a great radar/missile system. The “Seebeas” officially ask me to transfer to one of their Units. It sounds like an interesting opportunity but would mean I would definately go on Active Duty. Got to take care of a few things first.


  383. Eliana
    383 | October 7, 2009 3:39 pm

    re: #363 by Moe Katz

    A lot of the Israeli Arabs are in the mainstream parties, however. And they are not advocating dismantling Israel. The radical Arab parties don’t represent a majority of Israeli Arabs.

    The Arabs formerly known as “Israeli Arabs” only belong to a couple of Jewish liberal parties that are running (as political parties) on their dying breaths.

    The Arabs formerly known as “Israeli Arabs” are now mostly united under a banner of denying Israel’s right to exist.

    This is fairly new, but it has happened.

    It wasn’t Israel’s idea, believe me.

    Israel can’t ignore it, though.


  384. waldensianspirit
    384 | October 7, 2009 3:39 pm

    re: #372 by vagabond trader

    I’m going with one of them being a Charles’ sock because he doesn’t want spelling and grammar mistakes with his real name. I was convinced a long time a go everything he posted went through Word’s spelling and grammar check [which makes for some stodgy writing].


  385. snowcrash
    385 | October 7, 2009 3:39 pm

    re: #366 by Nevergiveup

    My #378 was for you.I goofed.


  386. Moe Katz
    386 | October 7, 2009 3:40 pm

    re: #375 by Eliana

    I would like to see some reliable sociometric data before I jumped to any conclusions based on the rhetoric of the Israeli Arab parties. I just don’t know how representative that sort of stuff really is.


  387. Moe Katz
    387 | October 7, 2009 3:41 pm

    re: #383 by Eliana

    Hell, there are Arabs in Likud. Again, I’d like to see some sociometric data and some opinion polls.


  388. Eliana
    388 | October 7, 2009 3:42 pm

    re: #365 by vagabond trader

    hey are fifth columnists.Why are they not being tried as traitors or at least stripped of citizenship.Is this not possible by Israeli law?

    They got one guy out after he went to a foreign country during a time of war to be an adviser to the enemy on how best to destroy Israel.

    He’ll be arrested as a traitor if he returns to Israel.


  389. Nevergiveup
    389 | October 7, 2009 3:42 pm

    re: #385 by snowcrash

    Gottcha. Good points. And about the teeth, I am sure.


  390. 390 | October 7, 2009 3:43 pm

    re: #376 by Moe Katz

    I see you hiding behind name calling, and offensive language again. This is truly a shame.

    I would have hoped that you could have instead had a discussion with me, and possibly convinced me of the strength of your argument.

    I guess in a way you have; you have proven that there is no strength in your argument.

    I do suggest however that you refrain from name-calling, and the impoliteness you like to deal in. It is rude, and uncalled for.


  391. 391 | October 7, 2009 3:45 pm

    New thread upstairs, kids


  392. vagabond trader
    392 | October 7, 2009 3:46 pm

    re: #388 by Eliana

    So meanwhile he stirs it up from afar. Typical Arab and I do not trust them. I’m pretty simple.


  393. Lily
    393 | October 7, 2009 3:46 pm

    re: #236 by goddessoftheclassroom

    Anyone with even a hit of morals knows you would never do that. You would be just curseing yourself.
    That type of prayer is not good.
    /thanks for all your good works {goddess}!
    :)


  394. Moe Katz
    394 | October 7, 2009 3:46 pm

    re: #390 by WrathofG-d

    Oh, bite me.


  395. song_and_dance_man
    395 | October 7, 2009 3:47 pm

    re: #179 by Eliana

    I have all of his books and they are really good. His latest, as I mentioned the other night, God according to God, is his best so far.

    I ordered the Medved book you recommended. Should be here in a day or two.


  396. waldensianspirit
    396 | October 7, 2009 3:52 pm

    re: #394 by Moe Katz

    Moe, come on. You’re just trying to piss off WrathofG-d. That’s so yesterday.

    When you use strong language about a guy who I’ve read and listened to his speeches and who has been assassinated, I want to hear sound reasoning and facts from you for why you express such intense dislike.


  397. goddessoftheclassroom
    397 | October 7, 2009 3:54 pm

    re: #393 by Lily

    {Lily}
    Thank you.


  398. Eliana
    398 | October 7, 2009 3:54 pm

    re: #387 by Moe Katz

    The number of Arabs who vote for Likud are so insignificant that there isn’t even a number for them.

    They’re grouped into “other parties” who get 10% of the 40% of the Arab vote that goes to Jewish parties.

    This means, of course, that 60% of the Arabs who live in Israel don’t vote for Jewish political parties (or mixed Jewish-Arab political parties).

    The situation has changed in recent years.


  399. Eliana
    399 | October 7, 2009 3:55 pm

    re: #395 by song_and_dance_man

    I ordered the Medved book you recommended. Should be here in a day or two.

    Cool! I think you’ll like it!


  400. Moe Katz
    400 | October 7, 2009 4:00 pm

    re: #398 by Eliana

    Okay, there’s more polarization on both sides. That doesn’t mean it’s good for people to talk about expulsion. How do you think moderate Muslim Israelis react to the fact that a majority of the Jews now want to kick them out of the country?


  401. Eliana
    401 | October 7, 2009 4:02 pm

    re: #387 by Moe Katz

    Also, another thing that has been going on in Israel is that Arabs who were formerly known as “Israeli Arabs” in the north party of the country started gang raping 12 and 13 year old Jewish girls out of revenge for how Israel treats Gaza.

    This started after Israel evacuated the soldiers and the settlers from Gaza.

    Also, as you know, there’s been a problem with Arabs in eastern Jerusalem driving bulldozers into cars and pedestrians to kill them while working in construction in western Jerusalem.

    There’s been a lot of bad feelings so the denial of Israel’s right to exist has not been taken well in the rest of Israel’s population.

    I think this started heating up when it was clear that Israel had stopped the “Palestinian” suicide bombers down to almost 0%.

    There are bad feelings and they aren’t going away.


  402. Moe Katz
    402 | October 7, 2009 4:04 pm

    re: #396 by waldensianspirit

    I happen to have read a bit by Kahane, an essay length piece. Wrath calls me a liar on that and that closes the discussion. I don’t have to find the specific piece I read or prove anything to him. A polite discussant does not call his interlocutor a liar.

    As far as Kahane is concerned, I see no place for myself in a theocratic, ethnic nationalist Israel in which secular Jews would be barely tolerated. I have no interest in a Torahstan, nor would I defend it.


  403. 403 | October 7, 2009 4:05 pm

    re: #400 by Moe Katz

    Meir Kahane identified these problem in the early 1960s. Their attitude is not a result of calls for expulsion, but the opposite. Calls for expulsion are a result of their attitude.

    You are contorting reality to fit your emotional desired outcome.

    Like I said above. The reality is not a comfortable one, but it is reality.

    (there is where you either (a) ignore my facts (b) ignore me altogether, or (c) reply with emotional outbursts, insults, and bad language. Go ahead now…)


  404. 404 | October 7, 2009 4:06 pm

    re: #402 by Moe Katz

    Yes, requiring your to back up your claims is asking too much isn’t it?

    wow!


  405. Moe Katz
    405 | October 7, 2009 4:07 pm

    re: #401 by Eliana

    “There are bad feelings and they aren’t going away.”

    Yes, there are bad feelings. The situation is terribly polarized at the moment. Talk of expulsion is not helpful.


  406. Speranza
    406 | October 7, 2009 4:09 pm

    re: #397 by goddessoftheclassroom

    You can take JohnR. off the prayer list.


  407. Eliana
    407 | October 7, 2009 4:10 pm

    re: #400 by Moe Katz

    Okay, there’s more polarization on both sides. That doesn’t mean it’s good for people to talk about expulsion. How do you think moderate Muslim Israelis react to the fact that a majority of the Jews now want to kick them out of the country?

    Israel as a nation isn’t teaching hatred for the Arabs. They’re responding to Arab hatred for Jews (when they respond at all).

    No one in Israel is talking about expulsion.

    Avigdor Lieberman’s idea was to give land in northern Israel — including Arab villages, houses, infrastructure and Arabs — to the Palestinian Authority in a swap for the settlement blocs so that these “Palestinians” could be joined with other “Palestinians.”

    No Arab would have had to move an inch.

    Of course, a lot of people called it an “expulsion” even though no Arabs would have had to move an inch. The Arabs themselves threatened to move deeper into Israel (thus leaving their land, villages and houses) so that they could stay in Israel.

    The idea isn’t even being discussed anymore.

    This isn’t a situation where “both sides” are now attacking each other. Most Israelis simply understand now that there is a problem when people in Israel who have citizenship in this country start denying its right to exist.


  408. Beltfed
    408 | October 7, 2009 4:10 pm

    re: #301 by song_and_dance_man

    Yep


  409. Moe Katz
    409 | October 7, 2009 4:12 pm

    re: #404 by WrathofG-d

    You cannot have a polite discussion when you call your interlocutor a liar. No, I don’t have to cite the specific essay length piece by Kahane that I read, it was easily 5 years ago. In any case, I think it’s beyond question that he said democracy was wrong for Israel and that Israel should be governed according to ‘Torah.’ Or that he advocated expulsion. So what difference does it make if I can show that in my particular source or not? Everyone knows he said those things, it’s common knowledge.


  410. goddessoftheclassroom
    410 | October 7, 2009 4:13 pm

    re: #406 by Speranza

    Oh, dear. I’m so sorry.


  411. Eliana
    411 | October 7, 2009 4:13 pm

    re: #405 by Moe Katz

    The situation is terribly polarized at the moment. Talk of expulsion is not helpful.

    Jews aren’t attacking random Arabs in Israel.

    It’s the other way around.

    Not just one incident.

    Like the other “Palestinians,” the Arabs formerly known as “Israeli Arabs” are shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to their futures.

    They may very well end up paying a price for it.

    It’s their choice and they seem to be making it.


  412. Eliana
    412 | October 7, 2009 4:16 pm

    re: #408 by Beltfed

    Your graphic is hilarious!!!

    It’s an alltime classic!

    Look who’s peeking in!


  413. 413 | October 7, 2009 4:16 pm

    re: #409 by Moe Katz

    Well, you again seem to be changing my argument.

    I do not deny that Meir Kahane has advocated Transfer. He has.

    Your statement that he “said democracy was wrong” does not seem to be accurate however from my understanding. I believe the statement was that you cannot have both a Jewish and a Democratic state. This was in the context of a system that would allow unfettered non-Jewish immigration, and other policies that would ultimately allow a minority, or a non-Jewish majority to vote out the Jewish character of Israel.

    The difficult part of that statement is that he is correct.

    I’m going to ignore the personal gripe statements you have with me, as I don’t believe they contribute to this discussion. I’m glad to hear you have read 1 article -- although you cannot remember what it was, or what it said exactly.


  414. waldensianspirit
    414 | October 7, 2009 4:16 pm

    Btw, does anyone know if any Arab leader responded in a positive way to Netanyahu’s UN speech?

    /This might sound like a leading question but who knows, there might have been a response but I haven’t searched enough to know their reaction.


  415. Moe Katz
    415 | October 7, 2009 4:16 pm

    re: #411 by Eliana

    “Some 46 percent of Israel’s Jewish citizens favor transferring Palestinians out of the territories, while 31 percent favor transferring Israeli Arabs out of the country, according to the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies’ annual national security public opinion poll.”

    http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=140196&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0


  416. Moe Katz
    416 | October 7, 2009 4:19 pm

    re: #413 by WrathofG-d

    In the article he clearly said that Israel should be governed according to Torah and not according to the principles of democracy.


  417. The Rani
    417 | October 7, 2009 4:20 pm

    re: #366 by Nevergiveup

    I’ve been calling her Cuntweasel for weeks.


  418. Moe Katz
    418 | October 7, 2009 4:20 pm

    re: #407 by Eliana

    Eliana, I’m sorry but I do see it as a two-way street.


  419. Eliana
    419 | October 7, 2009 4:23 pm

    re: #415 by Moe Katz

    “Some 46 percent of Israel’s Jewish citizens favor transferring Palestinians out of the territories, while 31 percent favor transferring Israeli Arabs out of the country, according to the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies’ annual national security public opinion poll.”

    It’s not going to happen. Liberals worldwide will make sure that the “Palestinians” rot for another several generations in their impossible dream of ending Israel’s existence.

    Israel’s formal policy (even with Likud in charge) is NOT to expel either population.

    Bibi is trying to help the Arabs in Judea and Samaria improve their own lives a bit so that they won’t want to wreck their situations by bringing on another intifada.

    They may end up bringing it on again anyway.

    If so, Israel will have to lock them down.

    The vast Middle East is mostly empty but there isn’t a single Arab country that wants to help the “Palestinians” to have better lives. They want them to keep rotting where they are so they can blame Israel for it.

    So, the Arabs shall rot where they are while Israelis move on with their lives.

    The Arabs are shooting themselves in the foot.


  420. 420 | October 7, 2009 4:23 pm

    re: #416 by Moe Katz

    I don’t necessarily deny that. What article so I can see the context and follow up?


  421. Moe Katz
    421 | October 7, 2009 4:25 pm

    re: #420 by WrathofG-d

    Look, I’m sorry, I searched my hard drive and nada. You’d just have to take my word for it. Or not, as you choose.


  422. 422 | October 7, 2009 4:26 pm

    re: #419 by Eliana

    There is no need to apologize for the Israeli response to over 60 years of rejection, and attempts of extinction by their Muslim neighbors.

    2 states is not a solution, and hardly the only one.


  423. waldensianspirit
    423 | October 7, 2009 4:27 pm

    re: #418 by Moe Katz

    A friend skyped a paraphrased quote from Netanyahu’s UN speech --

    “if all Arabs will leave their weapons -- peace and prosperity will be with us. if Israel will leave its weapons -- there will be no Israel.

    That doesn’t sound like a two-way street to me.


  424. goddessoftheclassroom
    424 | October 7, 2009 4:29 pm

    Got to go, y’all--take care.


  425. Moe Katz
    425 | October 7, 2009 4:29 pm

    re: #419 by Eliana

    People that advocate expulsion of Israeli Muslim Pals are allowed to hold cabinet positions. And almost 1/3 of the population takes that view. I think it’s reasonable to say that there is polarization.


  426. 426 | October 7, 2009 4:29 pm

    re: #421 by Moe Katz

    Well, since you have been so nice to me, I’ll just move forward as if what you said was true.

    I realize however that you have once again change the subject. Let’s try to respond to what is asked.

    The issue dealt around the treasonous Israeli-Muslims, and what to do with them. It was in this context that Meir Kahane was brought up, and in this context that I defended his position.

    What he believed about Halacha and the State is irrelevant.


  427. Eliana
    427 | October 7, 2009 4:31 pm

    re: #418 by Moe Katz

    Eliana, I’m sorry but I do see it as a two-way street.

    It’s not, though.

    Israelis don’t think about the Arabs all that much.

    Live and let live, until Jews start being raped and/or murdered while Israeli Arabs are demanding that Israel ends its existence as a Jewish nation.

    .

    The idea of a Jewish nation is NOT to make Jews totally consumed all day every day with Arabs and whether or not they are feeling fulfilled.

    Being obsessed with Jews is the Arabs’ job.

    Jews in Israel have better things to do.

    If the Arabs wreck things for themselves, they will pay the price for it. The Jewish nation doesn’t exist for the sake of being hassled all the time by people who don’t think Jews should live in freedom in a Jewish nation.

    The Jewish nation exists as a refuge for Jews while being totally tolerant of peaceful people who live there without being Jewish.

    If the Arabs within Israel make this totally impossible, they will harm their own futures in a very nice country that is completely tolerant of non-Jewish citizens who want to live there peacefully.


  428. Moe Katz
    428 | October 7, 2009 4:32 pm

    re: #423 by waldensianspirit

    I’m talking about the status of the Israeli Muslim Pals, or whatever you want to call them. I’m saying there’s a lot of hate on both sides. Sorry if that sounds moonbatty and overly balanced.


  429. waldensianspirit
    429 | October 7, 2009 4:32 pm

    re: #428 by Moe Katz

    kay, lol


  430. 430 | October 7, 2009 4:33 pm

    re: #423 by waldensianspirit

    No you have to realize that if Israel were only to create a Palestinian Authority to represent the Arabs, or gave them 1/2 of Israel, or Disengaged From Gaza, or provided them with electricity and water, and allowed them into Israel for work, and provided them with training and weapons, and attempted the principals of Oslo, Road Map, Camp David, and Annapolis….there would be peace!

    Why hasn’t Israel tried any of this? Its the darn Jewish response and realization that the Israeli-Muslim/Arabs don’t want peace that is the problem!!!!

    /


  431. 431 | October 7, 2009 4:35 pm

    re: #428 by Moe Katz

    No.

    It sounds ignorant and naive to me. It sounds like you are choosing to ignore the uncomfortable reality and instead holding firm to a pretty make-believe environment which only exists in the halls of education, and Peace Now rallies.

    I don’t hate you for it though, I used to be that way too.


  432. Moe Katz
    432 | October 7, 2009 4:37 pm

    re: #426 by WrathofG-d

    Ultimately, I think the Israeli Muslim Pals are like Jabotinsky’s cockroaches in a bottle, they are reconciled to Israel’s existence and their existence in Israel as a minority. I don’t think they pose an existential threat in the way that the militants in Judea and Samaria do. Relations with them will not improve, however, until the situation OUTSIDE the Green Line is resolved in some manner. I think they are looking for some kind of recognition, yet without the Israeli state structure.


  433. Eliana
    433 | October 7, 2009 4:38 pm

    re: #425 by Moe Katz

    People that advocate expulsion of Israeli Muslim Pals are allowed to hold cabinet positions. And almost 1/3 of the population takes that view. I think it’s reasonable to say that there is polarization.

    It’s not Israeli policy, though.

    Personally, I think that the “Palestinians” would have far better lives if they went elsewhere but I am pragmatic enough to know that they will never feel this way themselves.

    So allowing them to rot where they are now is the only choice for the forseeable future.

    Israel is busy denying Arabs the right to swarm into Israel by the millions. This argument has gone on for 16 years with no end in sight.

    It is definitely the policy of the Arab world to send 4 or 5 million Arabs into Israel to vote it into an Islamic nation called Palestine.

    An opinion poll that doesn’t describe Israeli policy is nothing compared to actual efforts to flood Israel with 4 or 5 million Arabs (which is what all the Arab countries are trying to do).

    Obama is supporting this Arab effort, by the way.


  434. waldensianspirit
    434 | October 7, 2009 4:41 pm

    Here Moe Katz, Eliana and WrathofG-d,

    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1120218

    scroll down for the pictures.

    A little treat from my friend and his brother. Amazing what a little rc plane can do nowadays


  435. 435 | October 7, 2009 4:42 pm

    re: #432 by Moe Katz

    I suggest you do some research on the actions of the Phakestinians, and Israeli-Muslims before 1967 (ie: green lines)

    you can start with the 1920 Hevron Massacre.

    You might also to read this: http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2009/08/31/about-those-loyal-israeli-arabs/

    and search “Israeli-Arabs” here at the Blogmocracy. They want Israeli destroyed, period. “occupation” is an excuse.


  436. Eliana
    436 | October 7, 2009 4:43 pm

    re: #432 by Moe Katz

    Ultimately, I think the Israeli Muslim Pals are like Jabotinsky’s cockroaches in a bottle, they are reconciled to Israel’s existence and their existence in Israel as a minority. I don’t think they pose an existential threat in the way that the militants in Judea and Samaria do.

    Relations with them will not improve, however, until the situation OUTSIDE the Green Line is resolved in some manner. I think they are looking for some kind of recognition, yet without the Israeli state structure.

    They may be waiting for a couple of hundred years, if so.

    As Wrath knows, everything will be cleared up in 230 years (if things haven’t been cleared up sooner).

    Like the rest of the Arab world, the formerly “Israeli Arabs” are refusing to live properly until a day that may not come until then (230 years from now).

    They are shooting themselves in the foot.


  437. Moe Katz
    437 | October 7, 2009 4:44 pm

    re: #433 by Eliana

    “Israel is busy denying Arabs the right to swarm into Israel by the millions. This argument has gone on for 16 years with no end in sight.”

    Yes, and Israel should and will never yield on this issue. I don’t know what the solution is, no one does. I’m not the naive Shalom Achshavnik Wrath seems to think I am. But I don’t rule out some sort of pragmatic modus vivendi, either, even if it doesn’t turn into a great kumbaya love-in. Especially for the Israeli Arab Muslims.


  438. Moe Katz
    439 | October 7, 2009 4:47 pm

    re: #434 by waldensianspirit

    All that done with an R/C plane and a camera? That’s interesting—a new way to do photography.


  439. 440 | October 7, 2009 4:47 pm

    re: #270 by Ed Mahmoud

    and THAT is why cato said all those nasty things at Zombies blog about hoping her cover is blown. Could it be that one of those creepy pictures zombie snapped over the years might just be him? Or, could it be that, while his picture isn’t on zombietime now, that he lives in fear that it might be since he participates in those events? All speculation of course but there it is.


  440. Moe Katz
    441 | October 7, 2009 4:48 pm

    re: #436 by Eliana

    What’s 230 years from now?


  441. Eliana
    442 | October 7, 2009 4:48 pm

    re: #437 by Moe Katz

    But I don’t rule out some sort of pragmatic modus vivendi, either, even if it doesn’t turn into a great kumbaya love-in. Especially for the Israeli Arab Muslims.

    The Arabs who have been calling themselves “Palestinians” since 1969 (or so) haven’t budged a single centimeter on their demands in 16 years since Oslo.

    “95% is not 100%” is what Arafat said when he turned down Barak’s offer of a state in 2000.

    Abu Mazen said the same exact thing recently when describing why he wouldn’t accept what today’s Israelis were trying to suggest to him as a possible deal.

    A peace deal isn’t going to happen. Most Israelis know this now.


  442. Moe Katz
    443 | October 7, 2009 4:49 pm

    re: #435 by WrathofG-d

    You think I don’t know the Hebron Massacre?


  443. Eliana
    444 | October 7, 2009 4:50 pm

    re: #441 by Moe Katz

    Shabbat.

    The millenium version.

    The year 6000.


  444. Moe Katz
    445 | October 7, 2009 4:51 pm

    re: #442 by Eliana

    A peace deal probably isn’t going to happen, but a gradual reduction of tensions and a ‘cold peace’ is not impossible, IMHO.


  445. Eliana
    446 | October 7, 2009 4:52 pm

    re: #445 by Moe Katz

    A peace deal probably isn’t going to happen, but a gradual reduction of tensions and a ‘cold peace’ is not impossible, IMHO.

    This has already happened in Judea and Samaria.

    This is why the Arabs in Israel are so angry.


  446. Moe Katz
    447 | October 7, 2009 4:53 pm

    re: #444 by Eliana

    There’s no basis for discussion in that case. I don’t subscribe to millenialist belief systems of any flavor.


  447. 448 | October 7, 2009 4:54 pm

    re: #445 by Moe Katz

    Based on what proof though?

    This is what gets me about your argument. As of now it seems completely emotional. It isn’t based on the uncomfortable realities, or the facts on the ground (as it is said).

    The only ones saying the Israeli-Muslims, or the Phakestinians in Judea & Samaria dont’ want to destroy Israel are Westerners.

    I don’t like to have to admit this reality either. It stinks. It is depressing, and saddening…but that doesn’t mean it isn’t still the reality.


  448. waldensianspirit
    449 | October 7, 2009 4:54 pm

    re: #439 by Moe Katz

    Yep 100%. I’ll search back through my email for more and post them sometime.


  449. Moe Katz
    450 | October 7, 2009 4:55 pm

    re: #446 by Eliana

    It’s natural they would see an opportunity to stake their claims. You probably think there is zero justice on their side, but we part company there too :(


  450. 451 | October 7, 2009 4:58 pm

    re: #450 by Moe Katz

    Well at least you admit it finally.


  451. Eliana
    452 | October 7, 2009 5:00 pm

    re: #447 by Moe Katz

    There’s no basis for discussion in that case. I don’t subscribe to millenialist belief systems of any flavor.

    I just mentioned it.

    What I was trying to say is that the Arabs in Israel have ZERO prospects of waiting until the Arab-Israeli conflict is resolved before they start living their lives properly.

    Call it 100 years, if you wish.

    The Arabs who are angry now won’t still be alive then anyway.

    They are shooting themselves in the foot for their next several generations (as many Arabs have already done for the last 120 years or so since the national Jewish homeland started really taking off towards being a reality).


  452. Moe Katz
    453 | October 7, 2009 5:00 pm

    re: #448 by WrathofG-d

    I agree that under their current leadership the Pals are hopeless as a peace partner. But I don’t see them as being so monolithic. I really think many are people of good will that could be neighbors and friends of Israel. But it requires some evolution in their system of government and administration. I don’t see it as hopeless because attitude surveys consistently show a big bunch that are pro-peace.


  453. 454 | October 7, 2009 5:04 pm

    re: #453 by Moe Katz

    I don’t see it as hopeless because attitude surveys consistently show a big bunch that are pro-peace.

    I have to leave, but I would love to see this survey, and I would like to know what they define as “peace”.

    Something tells me that although they keep using this word, it doesn’t mean what we think it does.


  454. Eliana
    455 | October 7, 2009 5:05 pm

    re: #450 by Moe Katz

    It’s natural they would see an opportunity to stake their claims. You probably think there is zero justice on their side, but we part company there too.

    Israel has been better to the Israeli Arabs than all the Arab countries have been to their own Arab citizens.

    It’s one thing to say that Israel treats Arabs better in Israel than the Arab countries treat Jews in the Arab countries (especially since most of them don’t have any Jews left).

    Israel treats Arabs better than Arab countries treat Arabs. Israeli Arabs have more freedom and more of a right to yell (peacefully) at the government than they would ever have had in an Arab country.

    The Arab countries blame Israel for why they treat their own people so badly.

    The Israeli Arabs are lucky to be in Israel. Israeli Universities give them the chance to become PhDs and they use their education and gifts to thumb their noses at Israel instead (much of the time).

    The Israeli Arabs are shooting themselves in the foot.


  455. Mad Mullah
    456 | October 7, 2009 5:05 pm

    On the latest Spencer attack thread over at 1.0, I notice that certain posters are now adopting the totally false and disgusting leftist and terrorist supporter talking point that Muslims are the new Jews. If anything, Muslims are like the new Fascists and Nazis.

    The Jews are still like the Jews, and they are being attacked in many countries in Europe just like in the 1930-40′s. The only difference being that Muslims have taken over the role of the Nazis.


  456. Moe Katz
    457 | October 7, 2009 5:06 pm

    re: #454 by WrathofG-d

    It’s a faint hope but I don’t see any alternative that doesn’t rely on magical thinking of a religious kind.

    Lehitraot…


  457. Eliana
    458 | October 7, 2009 5:07 pm

    re: #454 by WrathofG-d

    I don’t see it as hopeless because attitude surveys consistently show a big bunch that are pro-peace.

    I have to leave, but I would love to see this survey, and I would like to know what they define as “peace”.

    Something tells me that although they keep using this word, it doesn’t mean what we think it does.

    No, it doesn’t.

    They’ve been raised all their lives to believe that they will end up getting Israel (and also a big pile of reparations for their ancestors having left Israel in 1948).

    They’re waiting for a big payoff that will never come.


  458. waldensianspirit
    459 | October 7, 2009 5:08 pm

    re: #456 by Mad Mullah

    Yea, just like the Mississippi River is the new Jordan River

    /


  459. Eliana
    460 | October 7, 2009 5:10 pm

    re: #457 by Moe Katz

    It’s a faint hope but I don’t see any alternative that doesn’t rely on magical thinking of a religious kind.

    So, you’re never going to speak to me again (at least not in this thread) because I dared to say something religious?

    The Jewish belief in the messiah is not an end of the world scenario. It’s a world peace scenario.

    This belief (and my mentioning it in passing) doesn’t harm you or the world in any way.


  460. 461 | October 7, 2009 5:10 pm

    Actually everyone….I leave you all with this!

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/pal_peace_2009.html

    (Pay Attention With This Questionaire To The Wording)

    On final status options for Israel and Palestine (OneVoice Movement, April 22, 2009)

    1. Historic Palestine -- From the Jordanian river to the sea as an Islamic Waqf

    59% Essential

    12% Desirable

    7% Acceptable

    5% Tolerable

    12% Unacceptable

    2. Historic Palestine -- From the Jordanian river to the sea

    71% Essential

    11% Desirable

    5% Acceptable

    3% Tolerable

    7% Unacceptable

    3. One joint state -- A state in which Israelis and Palestinians are equal citizens

    18%

    13%

    10%

    12%

    43%

    4. One shared state -- Bi-national federal state in which Israelis and Palestinians share power

    8%

    7%

    7%

    12%

    59%

    6. Political status quo with economic development of Palestinian/the West Bank/Gaza (territories)
    32%

    10%

    8%

    8%

    40%


  461. Moe Katz
    462 | October 7, 2009 5:12 pm

    re: #455 by Eliana

    I have to go too. Israeli Arabs are in many ways the best-off Arab population in the world that doesn’t have oil. I wouldn’t argue with that. But I do think their group identity could be better accommodated than it is now, and that it will eventually be so. For starters, I would not have advocates of expulsion holding seats in the Knesset. Feh.

    Lehitraot…

    Moe


  462. 463 | October 7, 2009 5:15 pm

    No comment still from “Moe Katz” regarding Balad….

    nope, only the Jews.


  463. Moe Katz
    464 | October 7, 2009 5:17 pm

    re: #460 by Eliana

    “The Jewish belief in the messiah is not an end of the world scenario. It’s a world peace scenario.

    This belief (and my mentioning it in passing) doesn’t harm you or the world in any way.”

    I hope we can remain on friendly terms, Eliana. But I regard beliefs like that as ruptures of the reality principle. I do prefer the Jewish flavor of millenialism to the Christian and Muslim ones that envision cataclysmic battles that threaten to become self-fulfilling prophecies.


  464. Eliana
    465 | October 7, 2009 5:19 pm

    re: #462 by Moe Katz

    For starters, I would not have advocates of expulsion holding seats in the Knesset. Feh.

    Yet, you don’t object to Arabs Ministers who deny Israel’s right to exist having seats in the Knesset.

    There is a serious problem with your stand.

    Sorry, but it’s true.


  465. Moe Katz
    466 | October 7, 2009 5:19 pm

    re: #463 by WrathofG-d

    Next time. There’s lots of polls out there that purport to show this and that. Dayenu.


  466. Moe Katz
    467 | October 7, 2009 5:21 pm

    re: #465 by Eliana

    The Arabs you refer to don’t advocate expulsion, however. The advocate a different political structure. You can’t equate the two.


  467. Eliana
    468 | October 7, 2009 5:23 pm

    re: #464 by Moe Katz

    I hope we can remain on friendly terms, Eliana. But I regard beliefs like that as ruptures of the reality principle. I do prefer the Jewish flavor of millenialism to the Christian and Muslim ones that envision cataclysmic battles that threaten to become self-fulfilling prophecies.

    It doesn’t harm you or the world in any way when I bring up something that I believe will happen in 230 years (ie, world peace) if it doesn’t happen sooner.

    I didn’t know that it would be a problem to bring up Yiddishkeit to you here. You’ve brought it up a number of times yourself.

    I’m not going to walk on eggshells around you.

    I’m done with that.


  468. Moe Katz
    469 | October 7, 2009 5:25 pm

    re: #468 by Eliana

    Who asked you to “walk on eggshells around me”?


  469. waldensianspirit
    470 | October 7, 2009 5:28 pm

    re: #468 by Eliana

    Yea, only walk on eggshells to hear the crunch!

    Moe, she was referring to a former bad experience at 1.0 I think


  470. Eliana
    471 | October 7, 2009 5:30 pm

    re: #467 by Moe Katz

    The Arabs you refer to don’t advocate expulsion, however. The advocate a different political structure. You can’t equate the two.

    What the Arabs are demanding is worse.

    They are demanding an end to the nation of Israel and the possible murders of hundreds of thousands or millions of Jews who would no longer be protected by the Jewish nation.

    Do you think after all this hatred and calling Jews in Israel the “sons of pigs and monkeys” for 120 years that they will want Jews to live in peace if they manage to knock the nation of Israel down?

    Millions of Jews would flee and all of them would be in danger.

    This is an existential struggle and we’re talking about nearly 6 million Jewish lives.

    The Arab demands to end Israel’s existence is NOT an attempt to be more democratic-than-thou in Israel with perfect justice for everyone.

    Hamas has said that Jews need to be either subjugated or killed.

    Who do you think would be in charge if Israel’s existence is ended?

    HAMAS!

    No one else among the Arabs in Eretz Israel can defeat them. They teach their children on TV that Jews must be killed wherever they are found.

    This isn’t a game.

    It’s the lives of nearly six million Jews.


  471. Eliana
    472 | October 7, 2009 5:33 pm

    re: #470 by waldensianspirit

    she was referring to a former bad experience at 1.0 I think

    Yes, I was.


  472. Moe Katz
    473 | October 7, 2009 5:35 pm

    Eliana, this is becoming a little too heated and I think we’d better leave it for another time.

    Elana, Waldensian Spirit … lehitraot.


  473. Eliana
    474 | October 7, 2009 5:38 pm

    re: #473 by Moe Katz

    If you think that ending Israel’s existence as a Jewish nation would be justice, then we have a serious problem.

    Let’s hope you got carried away with things you don’t really believe.


  474. Iron Fist
    475 | October 7, 2009 5:47 pm

    re: #456 by Mad Mullah

    Bingo. And the Mohammedans are more than happy to take the Nazi role. The only problem is that Mohammedans make poor soldiers and even poorer generals. To paraphrase Patton, all those dumb sons of bitches want to die for their country. Suicidal armies have never been particularly successful at doing much more than getting themselves killed. That isn’t a problem, but it is a damn shame that they take so many fine people with them.


  475. Mad Mullah
    476 | October 7, 2009 5:57 pm

    re: #475 by Iron Fist

    “The only problem is that Mohammedans make poor soldiers and even poorer generals.”

    —————--

    That reminds me of an article that I read a while ago --

    Why Arabs lose wars -- by Norvell B. De Atkine

    The author, a retired U.S. Army colonel, draws upon many years of firsthand observation of Arabs in training to reach conclusions about the ways in which they go into combat.

    http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/AD_Issues/amdipl_17/articles/deatkine_arabs1.html


  476. Eliana
    477 | October 7, 2009 5:58 pm

    re: #475 by Iron Fist

    Bingo. And the Mohammedans are more than happy to take the Nazi role. The only problem is that Mohammedans make poor soldiers and even poorer generals.

    Arab leaders during WWII who sided with Nazi Germany had planned to build extermination camps for Jews in the Middle East. They weren’t organized enough (thank G-d) to make it happen.

    They did build some concentration camps where Jewish men were sent (mostly to work in slave labor) but that’s as far as they made it when it came to their own dreams of exterminating the Jews in the Middle East.

    It was their intention, though. This is why their war cry in 1948 was that they would be finishing Hitler’s work.

    Germany had planned to bomb the Palestine Mandate and the Arabs were going to slaughter all the Jews who lived there. Germany didn’t fare well enough in this part of the war to make it happen, though.

    The British beat them. Jewish soldiers from the Palestine Mandate enlisted into the British army and fought, too.


  477. snork
    478 | October 7, 2009 6:39 pm

    re: #84 by Nikis Knight

    That’s why I call him a centrist extremist (not that he isn’t liberal leaning as well.)

    In that vein, this is a must read (but rather long) article that describes 1.0 to a T. The paranoid center.

    This would make for a good thread, btw.


  478. mjazz
    479 | October 7, 2009 6:59 pm

    re: #477 by Eliana

    I’ve seen a photo of a flag that actually has the swastika and the star and crescent on it from back then.


  479. Eliana
    480 | October 7, 2009 7:12 pm

    re: #479 by mjazz

    I’ve seen a photo of a flag that actually has the swastika and the star and crescent on it from back then.

    Wow. I haven’t seen any photos of such a flag.

    Some of the Arab dictators were absolutely in lock step with Hitler when it came to exterminating the world’s Jews, so it’s not surprising.

    I read about this part of WWII recently and it was quite sobering to see how badly things could have gone for the Jews in the Arab lands if WWII had gone differently in that part of the world.

    There were over a million Jews in the Arab lands and in the Palestine Mandate combined. They were all supposed to be murdered by Arab nations who were the Nazis’ allies.


  480. PrincessNatasha
    481 | October 8, 2009 6:22 am

    re: #141 by Rodan
    Yep. Johnson(less) is definitely a leftist. And a certifiable nutjob. Coincidentally, I know where he can shove that climate hockey stick he is so enamored of.

    I also hope that when I go out to California to visit some friends, and rent a Hummer H2, I drive by the pathetic pedaling pissant on a rainy day and splash him!

    Oooooh! A THREAT!!! Run away! Run away!!


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