Roland Emmerich, who has directed disaster movies like Independence Day and Day After Tomorrow, loves to feature landmarks being destroyed. However, there is one landmark he will never film being destroyed. It is the Islamic Imperialist symbol of the Kaaba. He planned to feature this landmark in his 2012 movie, but was persuaded not to in order to prevent Imperialist acts of violence.
He blew up the Empire State Building and the White House in Independence Day, sent a giant monster careering through the heart of Manhattan in Godzilla and destroyed the famous Hollywood sign in The Day After Tomorrow. But it seems there are places even Roland Emmerich will not go – the German film-maker has revealed he abandoned plans to obliterate Islam‘s holiest site on the big screen for fear of attracting a fatwa.
For his latest disaster movie, 2012, the 53-year-old director had wanted to demolish the Kaaba, the iconic cube-shaped structure in the Grand Mosque in Mecca that Muslims the world over turn towards every day when they pray and which they circle seven times during the hajj pilgrimage.
But after some consideration, he decided it might not be such a smart idea, after all.
Read the rest.
This is an act of cowardice. He has no problem featuring the Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio de Janeiro, the Sistine chapel and St Peter’s Basilica. But The Islamic Imperialists must be appease and never insulted. Catholic/Christian symbols however are allowed to be destroyed in a movie. Personally, it’s a movie and I’m not going to get worked up about. But it gets sickening to see my Faith insulted and mocked but the Imperialist movement can never be disrespected. This is a double standard that must be confronted.
Maybe it’s time for our version of Imperialism. It works for the Arabic Imperialist Supremacist Movement (Islam).
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I’m supposed to know who these hollyweird losers are?
@ snork:
wooooooaaaaaaaaaad!
It is not a surprise, isn’t it? No one can touch the Muslims and their holiest site, lest they invite violence…seems to be it is working.
@ Incognito:
Imperialism obviously works. Look at how they are colonizing Europe and Canada. We are their next target of Colonization. Arab Imperialism must be exposed and confronted.
Actually since they had the Progressives attack the Serbs, They have colonized part of Bosnia and Kossovo. Israel withdrew from Gaza and the Imperialists have an outpost there. israel is the nest target of Imperial conquests and colonization. Then Europe, which already the colonialist have driven the Natives out of some parts. Chanda is undergoing Imperial Colonization, America is next!
@ Rodan:
Yeah, but they just unveiled a really nice statue of Clinton over in Kosovo, so it’s all good.
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@ lobo91:
They would unveil one of Obama, where ever their next conquest is.
Hey nice Wolf in your avatar, I love Wolves.
So, how do I get the avatar thingie?
@ Incognito:
Log onto Gravatar and you can get your avatar there.
It’s easy, they have a FAQ section.
test
I want to see if we still get the redirect from chuckles the clown.
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com
Guys, the movie is, by all early accounts, a real howler. It’s gonna bomb so why draw anymore undue attention to it?
If someone made a movie that showed the Kaaba being destroyed, hundreds of millions of people would take the street and scream themselves silly.
It would be like showing the Mohammed cartoons all over again.
I don’t think “It’s just a movie!!” can be translated into all languages.
@ linoleumknife:
Did you try it??
Terrorism works!
@ linoleumknife:
if you don’t now, you soon will. now go clear your cookies so you’re not spreading cooties.
VA and NJ trouncings, but Hoffman lost.
@ linoleumknife:
AHHHH, my eyes. There is no redirect at the moment. I had not been to that shit hole in about 2 weeks. I go over there and the last thread he has up is concerning Hoffman conceding the race. He then thanks Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck. If I saw that asshole I would spit in his face. He is a disgusting turncoat. That’s all I have to say about that.
@ Eliana:
Yes, and I regret it. My stomach is churning and I think I taste bile. Of course, that could be because my gf and I just broke up, but it’s hard to tell.
my opinion….fuck the arabs……..then feed em beans!
@ linoleumknife:
I glanced over there a bit earlier to see if he had threads up about the Democrats losing in Virginia and New Jersey.
He pooh-poohed the whole election thing going on today and wouldn’t talk about it in thread posts himself…
UNTIL…
When a conservative (Hoffman) lost, he had to open a thread to brag about it.
He’s a moonbat through and through.
Maybe some wacky sect has blown it up by 2012.
Unfortunately I’ll have to see this POS because my wife can’t get enough of these type of crapy movies.
@ linoleumknife:
Well, I hope you’re doing ok.
Hell let me close enough and a few pounds of C-4 and I will do it myself! I will destract and make em run away by tossing in some pork and then …..BLAMMO! Bar-b-cue time!
There is very unfortunate lesson to learn from this, and it encourages religious violence, a complete lack of empathy, and unyielding zealotry.
Despite what the Left (and some on the Right) tell you, once the stuff hits the fan, they will run out of the way. All power they have is by our own acquiescence.
In short, and again, Terrorism Works!
@ Eliana:
Thank you. I’m not sure how I feel, I guess a little numb. We have been together 2.5 years this month. She lives in Austin and I live in Houston. We both have good jobs and it’s hard to find a way for us to be together. I’ll make it though. If nothing else it gives me a chance to focus on improving myself.
@ linoleumknife:
Sorry to hear it, I too hope you are doing well. Those things always suck at first, but as well, always are for the better later.
@ WrathofG-d:
Past generations understood this. Where has that unrelenting attitude gone in America?
Actually PORK and Beans
Ok, well I’m going to go do something important.
Remember to nominate then thereafter vote for The Blogmocracy in the 2009 Weblog Awards. (then go out and get others to do the same)
Its YOUR blog….do your part!
http://2009.weblogawards.org/
@ spidly:
Hey Spidly. Good to see you again. You are a champ for putting up with crappy movies. I’m not sure I would.
@ Eliana:
But it’s just a movie!
@ Rodan:
Next? They’re already working in our prison system.
@ linoleumknife:
I still have that attitude and so does my son, as I said before…F#$K em and feed em Pork and beans.
@ linoleumknife:
According to Google Maps, that’s a 3.5 hour driving distance by car!
Sounds like it must have been difficult.
Yeah, I’m sure you’ll make it!!
Hang in there!
@ WrathofG-d:
I nominate LGF (1.0) for best LGBT.
@ Incognito:
Send me your SS# and your savings account number, and we’ll take care of all the details for you. It all has to go through the Nigerian Consulate, though.
Bunk X wrote:
Yeah, it is amazing when some “people of color” get arrested how quick they “go muslim” when I worked Off duty in the Jail they tried to tell us they were muslim…our response…prove it! Then they got the same as every other criminal in there.
@ Conservative Democrat:
I do too, it’s just depressing at times to see people absorbded in complacency. If they want a fight I’ll give it to them. I will not have my home turned into some muzzie shit hole.
@ linoleumknife:
Hah. Only a matter of time, though.
Israeli news agencies are reporting the Republican victories tonight:
@ Bunk X:
He’s probably mumbling, swearing and re-coding as we speak.
@ Eliana:
I will,
. I have my family and work to keep me busy. I need to work out more, so that’s something else. LOL, I bought my car last year on March 31. Since then I have put 57,000 miles on it. It might be good to give a break for a minute.
@ WrathofG-d:
My thought exactly. Maybe we should go apeshit and kill a bunch of people when our respective religions are mocked or belittled. That violence is the answer seems to be the message they want to send.
Completely OT here, I have a question about Judaism. A week or two ago we were discussing Christian beliefs about the Jews (we as in blogmocracy, not you and I respectively), regarding (among other things) the need or lack thereof for Jews to become Christians (evangelizing the Jews, in other words). I pointed out the “Dual Covenents” doctrine that I was raised with, i.e. the Jews have a special covenent with God that has not been abolished, but has existed for most of human history, a covenent seprate from, but equal to, that of Christians through Christ.
Well and good. You need not worry about me evangelizing you, or my condemning you to hell for not accepting Christ. My question is, How do the Jews regard Christians? It would seem logical to me for Jews to consider Christianity essentially a Jewish heresy, but I do not recall having ever asked this question of a Jewish friend. I’d appreciate it if you could shed some light on the subject.
Thanx
@ Conservative Democrat:
I’ve got nothing against Muslims. I’ve got everything against Wahhabists.
@ linoleumknife:
All that driving must have been really time-consuming, too!
Sounds like you’re set to move on (even if the emotional things have some ups and downs for awhile).
You’ll be fine, though!
@ Eliana:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMlxxZsfp44
Hey, Wrath, if that avatar of yours is what I’m thinking it is, you could be in some trouble with the Second Commandment as practiced in Judaism. Not the Second Amendment, but the Second Commandment
Over?
@ Iron Fist:
Wrath has gone elsewhere, per his commment 20 mins ago.
Would you like me to try to answer your question (from my perspective)?
@ Bunk X:
Cute!
This is comforting:
I agree with the General, and thik it is appalling that we have wasted the last twenty years doing much of nothing about space-based defensive and offensive weapons. If the Zero wants to impress me with his love of country and willingness to go to any lengths to save her (you may have noticed he never precisely says this), lobbying for a new generation of A-SAT weapons and space based nuclear warheads, anti-ballistic weapons, and so on.
That will never happen. The Donks will be quite content to let the Chinese chatch up to us and surpass us militarily. And why not? It’s not like they own the mortgage on America’s very soul or anything.
Bunk X wrote:
Whhhhhhhabie whhhhhat, yeah, in all seriousness I reaally dont give two hoots for ANYONE who refuses to publicly denounce the violence in their religon. I have never heard a “mulla” on T.V. or the radio blasting others of their religon for the MURDERS members of their “so called” religon have commited. They always say “well thats what that sect believes” or some other B.S.. The Moderates of that religion ought to be SCREAMING about the bad things those others are perpatrating in THEIR RELIGON!
There may be good ones, they are just to coward to show up.
@ Eliana:
Sure. I’d appreciate it. I’m anbout to hit the rack, but I’ll be sure and read it in the morning. I am curious. It’s just a though that skittered across my mind on the way to work this morning.
Thanks.
@ Eliana:
Well, in regards to the moving on bit. I had an especially messed up childhood, so through that experience I have learned to deal with most emotional situations. I’m not happy right now, but I find it best to look at what can be done and how to move forward. Not on what you want.
@ Bunk X:
No kidding. I do not force my religous views on anyone, and I expect the same consideration from others. Quick question though, I was
discussing Genesis with a fellow employee the other day. She says that it never rained on earth before the flood. I find this hard to believe, I argued that it probably rained just never hard enough to flood. Does anyone know what the Bible says.
@ Eliana:
Go for it. As a presbyter/agg, I’d like to see your answer as well.
Morning Everyone…
Just a quick post to thank everyone involed on th hard work done to improve this blog!
I gotta say…WOW!!!
This Place Is BEE-U-DIFL
Hope everyone is here has had a great night.
@ Lolly Gator:
Good morning. Love the avatar!
@ Conservative Democrat:
The silence of the “moderate Muslim” speaks volumes.
@ Moe Katz:
Thanks, seemed kinda appropriate…lol
@ Moe Katz:
Thanks Moe
@ linoleumknife:
If it had never rained before, the earth would have been a big desert, wouldn’t it? No rain means no plants.
Seems fairly self-evident that it must have rained prior to the flood.
@ davehm:
That is something I bring up all the time with people who defend Islam. If they were so peacefull and it’s just some crazy faction why the silence. They are a part of it.
Saw chaz was gloating…
What a Dumb@ss he turned out to be.
@ linoleumknife:
From what I understand the world was a perfect climate until the flood, then rain, after the flood seasons, cold heat winter summer. Gen 8:22
did anyone see last wednesday’s South Park?
OMFG it was halarious!
@ lobo91:
Well she is a Bible literalist. I respect her right to that view, but I think that there is a common ground between God and science. To me science is a part of God, a tool of his.
@ Lolly Gator:
Only problem is a gator resembles other reptiles that we don’t like around here….
@ Conservative Democrat:
Eh. My comment could be interpreted in ways that I didn’t mean. I don’t and won’t justify violence by anyone, whether it’s in the name of a religion or otherwise.
Prior to 911, I didn’t know the difference between Islam and Muslim, nor did I know that there were different sects within the religion.
The wahabbists radicalized the extremist factions of Islam; and I have no tolerance for radical fringe extremists.
Moe Katz wrote:
Ahhh, but gatorswill eat any lizard it sees, it will also eat bycicle riding musicians!
@ Iron Fist:
The view of Christians and Christianity is pretty direct, from what I’ve seen in Judaism. The gist of it is that Christians have taken a path that we (Jews) can’t follow.
So we keep doing what G-d told us to do at Mt. Sinai when the entire nation of Jews heard His voice for the first two commandments 3300 years ago. The whole nation heard Him. He had to give the rest of the commandments to Moses while away from the people because the people were fainting and collapsing at the sound of G-d’s voice, but the whole nation still heard Him anyway. It’s a very powerful connection.
It does not mean that Jews go to heaven while others don’t, however.
There are 7 Commandments in the Jewish Bible for non-Jews to get to heaven. They are called the Noachide Laws (from the time of Noach, i.e., Noah). They can be found via Google as the Noachide Laws or the Noahide Laws.
So Judaism teaches that Christians and other good people of various religions are very likely to go to heaven, depending on what an individual does.
Christians and Jews also make incredibly good political allies, which is nice for both Christians and Jews.
All the religious Jews that I know are glad to have Christian friendships and the political alliances and goals that we all have together.
@ Conservative Democrat:
Yes I did. They are on fire this year. Every episode has been great. The second one were Butters was a pimp was classic.
@ Lolly Gator:
Yummm, bicycle-riding musicians!
@ Moe Katz:
yepper, anytime…day or night!
Bunk, when Col. North made his statement in 1995(?)about Bin Laden, we went on an alert and had to do a lot of research into the so called religion of peace. I wound up at the Counterterroism facility At Fort McCllean for 4 weeks…learning about those “people”. So I was aware of their tendacies way before 9/11.
I really dont know why they sent me I was scheduled to sepatate in 1996 which I did….could not handle the Clintonian Military.
@ linoleumknife:
You know what’s really fascinating when you take a close look at good sound science it doesn’t contradict the bible at all as a matter of fact sound science just confirms what the bible declares.
@ Eliana:
Yes, and that creates that awkward asymmetry here. Jews don’t accept the idea of Jesus as God’s son, but it’s not seen as something that should be a problem for Christians who lead moral lives. Some Christians, on the other hand, believe literally in the NT passages that attributes claims of exclusive salvation to Jesus. So you don’t really have reciprocity.
@ linoleumknife:
It never rained before the flood? No way! She said that?
Every major religion has some form of written history that describes a major flood. There was a catastrophic flood, but exactly what caused it is still up for grabs.
Does that prove the Bible? Not in my opinion. Something happened, though.
@ davehm:
Agree.
I must get to my bed, insomnia or not, I`ve still gotta try.
Congratulations to all involved on the hard work done her, I love it!
Hope everyone has a great morning
Nytol!
@ Conservative Democrat:
What is South Park?
@ Bunk X:
“There was a catastrophic flood, but exactly what caused it is still up for grabs.”
The insurance company records, alas, were on papyrus and have been lost.
linoleumknife wrote:
Man they BLASTED whale wars…and stinky butter….and the Japs…..and Deadliest catch….Gotta LOVE south park, I actually had a sticker of Cartman on his three wheeler as a cop on the back of my cruisers window.
@ linoleumknife:
That sort of view fits Islam better than Christianity, IMO.
That’s why you don’t hear about any great Muslim scientists. They basically don’t believe in the concept of physical laws. To a Muslim, if you let go of an object, and it falls to the ground, it did so because Allah willed it to, not because of gravity.
@ Lolly Gator:
Goodnight Lolly, be well!
Moe
@ davehm:
I take a bit of exception to that though. I tend to look at Genesis through an interpretive lens. I understand that at the time it was written, the understanding of complex sciences was not there. People had to give, and be given an account of the birth of the earth and universe that fit their preconcieved notions. I in no way doubt that God is real and created all we see. It’s just the method that I think we have much to learn about.
@ davehm:
A perfect climate includes rain – it’s how food grows.
Jews pray for rain. It’s a blessing (and badly needed in Israel right now, by the way).
Genesis 8:22 was implying that the season cycles had been stopped during the rain that caused the flood but that they would never be stopped again (after the flood).
@ lobo91:
During the Middle Ages the Muslims were producing much more science than the Christian west, believe it or not! Islam went fundy a few hundred years ago and entered a dark age that it hasn’t emerged from. The Christians, on the other hand, passed the Muslims by the late middle ages and haven’t looked back.
@ Conservative Democrat:
Our government was totally unprepared to deal with it, even though we’d been dealing with OPEC and the Saudis for decades. Amazing ignorance, regardless of local politics…
More proof that the world is run by C students.
@ Bunk X:
That’s interesting, after the flood was Noah, his wife, 3 sons and their wives from them every nation of the world came about, so the story of the flood was handed down thru generations to numerous ethnic groups, however the Bible is the only written account that gives the details.
@ Bunk X:
“More proof that the world is run by C students.”
Well, then, someone ought to be giving them higher grades, shouldn’t they?
@ Moe Katz:
A lot of the science that came out of the Islamic world was produced by non-Muslims, though.
@ Eliana:
Yes, I’ve heard some schools of thought that the climate was very moist somewhat tropical providing enough moisture to sustain pre-flood plant life.
@ Conservative Democrat:
Heh, I have a sticker of Cartman from the Revelations CD set on my back window. The episode where they rip on the bailouts was epic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=julnt19Pl8E
@ lobo91:
Including Arabized Jews, yes, like Maimonides. But a tremendous amount was done by real, Muslim arabs like Avicenna and Averroes, who nevertheless had to tread carefully around the Islamic clergy in many cases. But Maimonides’ work owes a tremendous amount to Muslim culture and thought traditions.
Moe Katz wrote:
Actually they were found by the dead sea in a cave…best translation was “The anti-christ” Gbush son of Hwbush dug away at the “Levees” around the black sea…weaking them to the point of destruction thus causing the waters to drown all of the minority population in the Valley”. “All but the clan of Noah, an man of light skin, who owned many animals and the only boat around. The evil Gbush refused to allow the persian military to come to the aid of the poor mesopotamians, and alas many were slain by the rising waters.”
Hey that what the papers said!!!
@ Moe Katz:
Moe, I’m gonna step right out of the religion argument before I’m accused of talking about shit I really don’t know about. Hope you’ve gotten/are getting over your plague.
OT: Has anyone seen the movie “State of Play”?
It was in theaters awhile back and it’s coming to cable soon, I think.
I rented it on iTunes recently.
What I thought was interesting was that the leading characters were a reporter and a blogger from the same newspaper who were investigating some murders together.
The reporter (Russell Crowe) made fun of bloggers at first.
I don’t recall seeing blogging in a murder mystery movie until now.
The movie “Julie and Julia” was based on a book written about the adventures of a blogger, but that was more of a comedy / bio.
The blogosphere is hitting Hollywood.
@ Conservative Democrat:
That oughtta be worth an Oxford doctorate or two….
time to go to bed…must sleep to prepare my self for a long day of leisure.
good night
@ davehm:
Have a good one.
@ Bunk X:
@ Moe Katz:
Thomas Sowell opined recently that stupid people generally cause a smaller amount of damage than smart people in power do, and gave examples. Here it is, “The Brainy Bunch.”
http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2009/09/29/the_brainy_bunch
@ Moe Katz:
Actually, Maimonides thought the Arab Muslims were bonkers.
He ran for his life from them at least once.
He taught that the Arab Muslim world had irrational thought processes.
He did study Greek philosophy, however.
He did his writings in Arabic.
Eliana wrote:
Hey I seen the 13th warrior ….(he said as he tried to weasel into the conversation)..
@ Eliana:
“Actually, Maimonides thought the Arab Muslims were bonkers.”
Yes. But he did not disparage their academic traditions, just the stupidity of their regime. He was a product of their academic traditions. Here, for example: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/maimonides-islamic/
There is a professor in a university in Kuwait who has become one of the world’s great Rambam experts and who claims him as a Jewish arab thinker belonging properly to arab thought traditions.
@ Conservative Democrat:
Actually, I like “The 13th Warrior.”
I wish the whole Arab Muslim world could be like that guy in the movie.
@ Conservative Democrat:
Try the book. It’s called Eaters of the Dead. It is so much better than the movie it is amazing. That movie made me want to retch. I hate movies that ruin excellent books.
linoleumknife wrote:
Try???? I am from Kentucky (well my family is) books are illegal there.
a friend of mine was arrested in Kentucky, He was charged with having books, He took it to court and got off scott free…….No one could prove they were books.
Arrr Arrrrr Earth Humor!!
@ Moe Katz:
Maimonides criticized the Arab Muslims’ thought processes.
The “Palestinians” are also claiming that Jesus was a Muslim while they keep trying to deny that Jews ever lived in the Holy Land until the 20th Century.
Alright, I will bow out now……..It has been fun!
@ Conservative Democrat:
‘Night, Con Dem!
@ Eliana:
Yeah, whatever, Eliana, keep those talking points coming.
@ Moe Katz:
All I can say to that has to do with several colons and right parenthesis, all paired up.
@ Moe Katz:
At least you’re not trashing me for following a “stone-age religion” tonight. You must be in a good mood.
@ Conservative Democrat:
LOL. I have a joke I could share.
A college student from University of Texas (UT) is headed home on a back Texas highway. Suddenly he has this other truck riding his tail. He tries to let the guy pass but he won’t. So he brake checks him. The guy backs off, but a couple of minutes later he is back on his tail. So he brake checks him a little harder. The guy backs off, but sure enough he gets back on his tail. So this time he really hits the breaks. The guy hits is tail and they end up having to pull over. Well when he gets out he notices the guys back window is plastered with A&M stickers. This throws him into a rage. He starts cussing him and calling him all sorts of foul names. The Aggie just stands there taking. The UT guy goes to his truck and gets his baseball bat out. He draws a circle in the dirt on the roadside and tells the Aggie to stand in it. The Aggie complies and the guy from UT tells him, “If you get out of this circle before I tell you, I will kill you.” He then proceeds to beat the crap out of the Aggies truck. After a few minutes of destroying it he feels better. He looks over and sees the Aggie smiling. He asks him what’s so funny, and the Aggie says “When you weren’t looking, I stepped out of the circle.”
@ Eliana:
Since you’re not likely to read that article from Stanford that I linked, here’s the final paragraph:
Evidence of shared ideas between Maimonides and Islamic philosophers on these themes abounds. As is clear from even the representative quotes from Islamic sources cited throughout, these interrelated features of imagination, allegory, politics, and religion in Maimonides’ thought are hallmarks of the political philosophical writings of al-Farabi, Avicenna, and Averroes as well. Here, as throughout our investigation, understanding the Islamic philosophical context of the Guide is key for understanding the intricacies of Maimonides’ thought.
@ Conservative Democrat:
13th Warrior… Didja ever read Crichton’s “Eaters of the Dead?” It was his clever take on Beowulf.
@ Eliana:
Google Maimonides and Islam and you’ll see how embedded he was in it. Yes, he was treated badly and so on, but he did not disrespect their philosophy and science.
@ linoleumknife:
Dang. Beat me to it, but you’re absolutely right. You can read it in a day.
Gay marriage lost in Maine tonight:
Maine Voters Reject Gay Marriage Law
@ Moe Katz:
Maimonides LIVED in the Arab Muslim world.
He knew them intimately.
It’s why he thought they were bonkers.
Actually, Maimonides KNEW they were bonkers.
@ linoleumknife:
Heh. That joke goes back to the 1930′s. The Pole steps out of the circle.
@ Eliana:
Now you’re begging the question, which is a slight change from your usual argumentum ad verecundiam.
@ Bunk X:
Heh, I did not know that. It makes sense though. Texas has a lot of German and Polish influence in our culture.
But why should I stay up late arguing with a strange woman when I have a perfectly good wife to squabble with anytime I want?
Bunk X wrote:
Buliwyf: ‘Lo, there do I see my father. ‘Lo, there do I see…
Herger the Joyous: My mother, and my sisters, and my brothers.
Buliwyf: ‘Lo, there do I see…
Herger the Joyous: The line of my people…
Edgtho the Silent: Back to the beginning.
Weath the Musician: ‘Lo, they do call to me.
Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan: They bid me take my place among them.
Buliwyf: Iin the halls of Valhalla…
Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan: Where the brave…
Herger the Joyous: May live…
Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan: …forever
Great, but obscure, movie!
@ Eliana:
Further evidence that social conservatism is not dead.
@ Moe Katz:
You seem addicted to trying to get me into a fight, so you really do need to ask yourself why.
This place is so peaceful and fun!!!!!!!!
What is up with you?
@ calcajun:
Great, isn’t it!?!
I had no idea that gay marriage had already lost 30 out of 30 attempts to get gay marriage passed in states via a popular vote (so that they’ve now lost 31 out of 31).
It’s wonderful!
linoleumknife wrote:
How do you prepare it and what wine do you serve with it?
@ linoleumknife:
I liked the movie, so now I’m curious if I’d like the book even more.
Sounds like it!
@ Eliana:
Headline should say, “Definition of Marriage Preserved Tonight.”
This country has much larger issues to deal with than worrying about draining that piddle.
@ calcajun:
I prefer a light balsamic sauce, with a side dish of asparagus steamed with very light butter and lemon juice. Ceasar salad is a good starter.
@ Eliana:
You’re the one who weighed in on the subject of Rambam with some orthodox talking points about how he must have been anti-Muslim. You were waiting for a chance to contradict me, and you tried and failed. Rambam draws deeply on the Muslim culture. You can’t mythologize that away.
linoleumknife wrote:
Q: “Hello, Worf. Eat any good books lately.”
@ linoleumknife:
The Poles got short shrift after WWII, and I don’t know why, unless it was because they were one of the last countries to abandon the feudal system. They gave us tremendous help with defeating the Germans through code breaking and subterfuge.
@ Moe Katz:
Like me? Okay, I’ll be the sultry bitch, but just for tonight.
@ Bunk X:
I dated a Polish chick for awhile. She was insane, but damn did she look good.
@ Eliana:
Yep, I was actually talking to SOMEONE ELSE, Eliana, and I referred to Rambam’s embeddedness in the Muslim Arab cultural context. You inserted yourself in the conversation, with the delightfully tactful opening line, “Actually, Maimonides thought the Arab Muslims were bonkers” for which you provided no citation. I provided evidence of Rambam’s connectedness to Muslim philosophy, to which you did not respond.
So, no, I’m not looking to pick arguments with you. I dread them, except as exercises in identifying common logical fallacies.
@ linoleumknife:
But add 20 years and she morphs into a Slav Babushka…
@ Moe Katz:
You’re far enough to the left to want to romanticize the Arab Muslim world with fantasies about how they were such a scientific and sophisticated people until a few hundred years ago.
It’s politically correct romancing of Islam instead of rational thought.
It doesn’t get us anywhere to buy into nonsense like this.
@ Bunk X:
LOL, yeah. It would be the drinking that would do it. She would put down more booze than me, and that is saying a lot!!!!
@ Eliana:
I think Judaism is too nuanced for you and the Hare Krishnas might be more your style.
I suppose Bernard Lewis is a romantic leftie to you, who mythologizes Islam. Feh. You’re not interested in reality—you’re as bad as NY Nana, whom you seem to admire. Islam once was a great civilization. Accept it.
@ linoleumknife:
Yeah. You’d have to get a second mortgage just to keep her in the vodka, otherwise you’d have to check in to the battered husband shelter.
@ Moe Katz:
Dude, Moe. Not cool. There is no need to talk to her like that.
@ Bunk X:
LOL, your not lying there. I had never spent so much so fast.
@ linoleumknife:
Keep out of it, man, she earned it.
I’m outta here for tonight.
@ Moe Katz:
“Nuanced?” How many times at the old 1.0 did we make fun of people who this word?
What you don’t understand is that I don’t go to Wikipedia to find out about Maimonides. I’ve studied some of his actual writings.
He didn’t have a good opinion of Arab thought.
Don’t believe me. I don’t care. Follow Wikipedia all you like.
“Nuanced?” How many times at the old 1.0 did we make fun of people who used this word?
@ Moe Katz:
I just thought we were more civil than that. We are all friends here.
….late night, drive by………..
How ’bout those Gubernatorial elections?
I’d give anything to hear what is being said at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Eikite su Dievu.
@ Eliana:
So provide GODDAMN CITATIONS. I sourced my statements, and not from Wikipedia either. Let’s see what Rambam said about the Muslims being nuts. I’ll be back tomorrow. It will be interesting to see you actually back up a statement for once instead of writing bad checks on facts not in your bank account.
@ Moe Katz:
The early great advances in science and mathematics in the middle east were not discovered by jews nor muslims, but by their predecessors, the Babylonians. You’re arguing that the Yankees won the first World Series before they even existed.
Quit bickering over things that don’t matter.
@ Eliana:
I never made fun of the word “nuanced” when I was at 1.0. A lack of nuance was always its Achilles heel, even at its height.
@ Moe Katz:
My learning about this comes from books – Maimonides’ books – not the internet.
If you can only believe what is found on the internet, then you’re even more lost than you already appear to be.
@ Moe Katz:
It was a common joke against the moonbats back when 1.0 was good.
It must have gone over your head.
@ Eliana:
So send me the edition it comes from and a page reference and I’ll get it from the university library here. It’s time you backed up some of your claims. You’re all hat and no cattle. Let’s see a reference please.
I think they should change the name of the Wiktionary to the WikiDiki
@ Eliana:
It was a common joke because there was a culture of rejecting complexity. You no doubt felt at home in that.
Quit bickering about shit that doesn’t matter. |[
@ Bunk X:
NO SHIT, and let’s tone down the personal insults. If you have a point to make, let your argument stand on the proof.
@ linoleumknife:
Dang. And here I was getting ready for a 20 minute round of AnswerMan again.
@ Bunk X:
I’m ready!
@ Moe Katz:
Most of my books are in storage, except for the necessary day to day books that I carry with me wherever I live. I won’t see all my books again until/unless they are shipped to Israel.
If you feel like apologizing to me for accusing me of practicing a “stone-age religion” the other night (the religion you despise but keep claiming to know about), then I will have some friends in Israel check out references for me about this.
Apologize first, though.
Breaking news: Obama just called his step brother in Kenya. Photo here.
@ linoleumknife:
Gotta postpone it until tomorrow. I finally got a project to work on, so I need my bowtie sleep.
Meanwhile, tell the two babozos to shut up and get over their irrationally perceived differences. 1.0 luvs them some discord over here…
See y’all tomorrow.
@ Bunk X:
Have a good one Bunk. Don’t work to hard.
@ Bunk X:
Goodnight, Bunk!
If anyone is interested, Amazon has the full introduction to the English translation of Maimonides’ “The Guide of the Perplexed” here:
Look inside the book
Maimonides’ philosophical system was based on Aristotle.
He used Aristotle’s system to interpret Judaism.
In the index of this book (also included in the “Look inside the book” excerpts) — Arabs are only mentioned once in the context of their view of Aristotle (8 pages are cited).
“Moslems” are mentioned on exactly seven pages: pps 2, 4, 16, 24, 26, 115, and 165.
The “Look inside the book” preview doesn’t have the entire book in it.
@ Eliana:
I don’t want to stir shit, but wouldn’t a comment like that be considered anti-semitic?
@ Eliana:
How convenient that your books are in storage and you cannot give me a citation. In the future please hold the ex cathedra statements if you must insert yourself in a discussion.
Your ‘stone age’ religion is what you are making of Judaism, not what it has to be. You want something very black-and-white and concrete that divides the world into us and them, good and bad, true and false. You must be in your 40′s anyway. A generation X-er?
@ linoleumknife:
No, I characterized her style of Judaism as stone age, not Judaism per se.
@ Moe Katz:
Dude, that is a classic proggie view point. There is good and evil in this world. Most things can be labeled true or false. When you start blurring the lines is when you create monsters. Some things take a delicate view point to understand them. As a whole though when it comes to Islam they are evil. They want nothing less than total submission or your death. That is how it is.
@ Moe Katz:
Oh, ok. Well I’m not trying to through a Charles around and label you racist or anything. I was just worried.
@ Eliana:
So find me where he says he “thought they were bonkers.” Maybe one of your frummie chachamim can help you out….
@ linoleumknife:
Calling Judaism a “stone-age religion?” I think it’s anti-religion mostly. Some (absolutely not all, but some) atheists feel absolutely compelled to believe that people who believe in G-d are delusional idiots.
Some (absolutely not all, but some) atheists regard their atheism as their own religion that they must try to force on others as much as they can. They look down on people who believe in G-d.
He can believe anything he wants. No one is asking him to believe anything about religion. He can be an atheist as much as he wants.
After the crack he made about Judaism being a “stone-age religion,” however, I’m not predisposed to accept it when he claims that Judaism’s greatest philosopher based his work on Muslim thought.
Aristotle was rational and it’s incredibly interesting how Maimonides used his system to interpret Judaism. He didn’t base his philosophy on Islam at all. I’ll have to have some friends do some research for me to provide Maimonides’ exact words.
Thanks for asking!
Sorry about the squabble here.
Mainline Christians say that of some evangelical and fundamental churches and sects. Same idea, like saying “Flintstonian Christians.” etc.
@ Eliana:
It’s ok. I would like to see people be a little more civil, but religion is a very passionate topic. I think even more so than politics, because it matters more.
Sadly, none of this business with Emmerich is a great surprise. It’s like these “peace activists” who bravely march down Main Street, USA (or Canada, where I’m from) protesting the outrage of the day, pretending to be all courageous or whatever.
@ Eliana:
Judaism is not necessarily primitive, but your Judaism is primitive and you’re willing to fudge and dissemble all day and night to defend that belief system. It’s not so uncommon in people who come in through Jewish ‘missionary’ groups and don’t really have any experience in how diverse it actually is.
@ Moe Katz:
Or Fundies. I hate that term, it’s very derogatory.
@ texasam7:
Hey texasam7, are you originally from Texas?
@ linoleumknife:
Yes, it’s derogatory. We don’t all have to believe the same way, you know?
@ linoleumknife:
That’s more of a centrist point of view. The people over on the real left are just as simplistic. The complexity is all in the middle, where the reality is to be found
@ Moe Katz:
Only the 3300 year old version of Judaism keeps the Jewish people existing as a people.
There’s no such thing as Jewish families that stay secular or in one of the progressive sects for hundreds of years. Their descendants end up not being Jewish at all.
The original Judaism works in the 21st Century.
The original Judaism is actually growing as the progressive sects slowly go out of business. More Jewish adults are returning to the original Judaism while having many, many children.
Israel itself will have a religious (Orthodox) Jewish majority in another generation. Half of the Jewish school kids in Israel today are Orthodox Jewish children. Religious Jews are averaging 8 children per family in Israel while secular Jews are averaging 2.5 or something.
There are prominent Orthodox Jewish physicists who explain why science and the Jewish Bible don’t contradict each other.
They are smart guys who don’t operate in the Stone Age.
Your ignorance about all this is very sad.
@ Moe Katz:
Progressive Judaism is death to the Jewish people as a people. Progressive Judaism results in the members’ grandchildren not being Jewish (or even possibly their children not being Jewish).
You don’t care, obviously, but the Jewish people overall do care about existing as a people.
Progressive religion isn’t the answer any more than progressive politics is the answer.
@ Eliana:
Whatever you want to believe. But please be advised that if you break into a conversation of mine to contradict me as you have repeatedly done you will be called upon to back up your statements. I will no longer let you get away with unsubstantiated talking points from right-wing Jewish revival groups.
@ linoleumknife:
Thanks much!!!
@ Moe Katz:
Where do you think you are right now?
And who do you think you are?
Get a private chat room if you want a private chat.
Use email.
@ Eliana:
You, who had the chutzpah to accuse me of trying to pick a fight with you about the Rambam when I wasn’t even talking to you and you were the one that initiated the challenge?
Morning everybody.
Just telling you, if you do it again, better bring some facts to the table, that’s all, because you won’t get by with some hearsay stuff being passed around in your Torah class.
Morning, Rightside. Jewish civil war is over, I’m off to bed. ‘Night all.
Eliana, you have my e-mail address. If you come up with anything, you’re welcome to use it.
@ Moe Katz:
You call him “Rambam” (which is the name used by Orthodox Jews).
His name is an acronym for “Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon.”
Maimonides practiced the so-called “stone-age religion” that you hate so much.
He is the biggest Jewish philosopher in the so-called “stone-age religion” that you hate so much.
@ Moe Katz:
No, I don’t have your email address.
I threw it away.
@ Rightside:
Morning Rightside. Hope you are well today.
@ linoleumknife:
I’m good here, thanks. Love the new digs and the speed.
@ Rightside:
I know, I’ve been like a kid in a candy store tonight.
What a wuss. It would have been nice to see the Borg ship destroyed before it really is.
IDF takes over arms vessel
Drama off of Israel’s shores: An Israeli Navy commando force seized control over a suspicious vessel in the early hours of Wednesday morning, which was found to be carrying weapons.
The ship is believed to have come for Iran, destined for Hezbollah in Lebanon and meant to dock in Syria.
The incident took place some 150 kilometers off the coast, near Cyprus. A fleet of smaller ships approached the vessel, sailing under the Antiguan flag, and boarded it.
The crew members showed no resistance. The ship was found to be carrying at least five containers of ammunition and weapons, under the guise of a civilian delivery.
The cargo included rockets, grenades, mortar shells and missiles. “This could be bigger than Karin-A,” a military source said.
IDF takes over arms vessel
@ Eliana:
I would think that combined with the nuclear threat, this incident could be worthy of a mission by their airforce.
Wow, this is a big story in Israel.
The missiles, etc, were hidden in the boat behind civilian cargo.
I would treat as an act of war, but I’m a right wing extremist. Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb Iran.
@ linoleumknife:
Could be.
@ Eliana:
The piece appears to have a typo.
The ship appeared to come from Iran.
The IDF must have been tipped over the shipment.
I will say this, The Israel’s intelligence community is amazing. Not to be out done by their military though.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Or perhaps the Mossad.
linoleumknife wrote:
Where are our edit buttons?
@ linoleumknife:
In the War in Lebanon in 2006, Israel destroyed all of Hezbollah’s long range rockets in the first hours of the war. Israel knew where all of them were located.
Lebanese spies were caught in Lebanon later, but I don’t think Israel’s supply has been completely exhausted. I hope not, anyway.
pussy
@ linoleumknife:
I have two – is one of these yours?
Israel Radio reported that the takeover of the ship was planned well in advance of the operation and that the Navy has been following its movements since it started on its journey.
@ Eliana:
Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety.
The MOSSAD apparently warned the US about Osama and 9/11. Why we didn’t follow up on the info is still an enigma.
@ linoleumknife:
The edit feature was reinstalled last night by MightyConservative, but I don’t see it anymore. It was a link that appeared right after a comment war made with a 15 second timer.
Next time I see her I will ask about it.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Clinton and his crew did not want to offend the poor muzzies. Of course if Carter had more balls most of this wouldn’t have happened.
Good Morning Everyone.
Hey guys, fantastic new format, etc. really terrific. kudos and thanks
@ Eliana:
Thanks. I appreciate that. Yes, Christians and Jews are natural allies, although sadly that hasn’t always been the case in practice.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Well, it’s no biggy. I know she has been working her tail off, and I don’t want to appear ungrateful. I’m sure it will be back eventually.
@ Iron Fist:
Thanks, Iron Fist!
@ RIX:
Hi RIX
@ Doppelganger:
Yeah, I waited all day and gave up around 6pm my time. Seems like I just missed the new relaunch.
Hollywood has a track record of bowing to Islam.
In the 2005 Movie Kingdom of Heaven about the 2nd Crusade, Ridley Scott gave CAIR editing priveleges.
Nuslims were all noble & a lot of Christians were cretins.
The main character Belien played by Orlando Bloom rallied the troops to defend Jeruselm by giving a speech that :”Our customs & Shrines are no greater than theirs…..”
Not exactly ‘Get one for the Gipper.”
@ linoleumknife:
Actually, I think MightyConservative is going to do some more tweaking for the speed of the site. The edit buttons tend to slow things down a bit.
We can all help by using Turbo Gears by going to the Dashboard link under our names at the top of the site and choosing Dashboard Tools. When asked if you want to use Gears for this WordPress blog, you say, “Yes!!”
It speeds things up by using more of a cache for this site on our personal systems, which means less in downloads for each of us during normal operations (I think).
Maybe Iron Fist knows about this.
how do I do an avatar?
@ RIX:
In the more recent movie called “The Kingdom,” the filmmakers did a fairly decent job of fighting murderous terrorists in Saudi Arabia who did things like set off car bombs, send out suicide bombers, and try to behead people…
But the filmmakers couldn’t stop themselves from including ONE SENTENCE in the movie that broke it all down to the liberal idea that it only makes terrorism worse when we try to fight it.
They couldn’t let the movie go without doing this.
@ RIX:
Morning RIX, and any other recent entrants.
Doppelganger wrote:
Go to gravatar.com, the most used service here.
Good morning, y’all.
@ Eliana:
THe Kingdom was actually a pretty good flick & I thought fairly objective. Kind of surprising that the Saudis let some things slide.
@ Rightside:
Morning Rightside.
Hmm, can’t see a number but I’m guessing it’s a nuke … Enterprise?
also, if I said I was trained on the AN-SPG-55B and deployed with AN-SPG-55A’S you’d know what I mean, or is that just a bar stool on that badge?
@ RIX:
I liked it too – I thought it was a very good movie.
The one sentence made my eyes roll a bit, though (and you know which one I mean). It just seemed like a concession.
@ jakee308:
whoops, that was directed (cough) at Rightside.
@ jakee308:
55B fire control directors for Terrier Mod 9 I believe
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
Good morning {goddess}
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
Good morning sister. My son is doing well again and can be taken off the prayer list. And thanks for the prayers.
@ jakee308:
It’s a barstool with seatbelt lol!
@ song_and_dance_man:
Great news, song and dance man!
@ Rightside:
What ship at your name’s link?
Hillary Clinton is such a jerk…
@ Eliana:
The one sentence made my eyes roll a bit, though (and you know which one I mean). It just seemed like a concession
I was surprised that there was as much objectivity as there was.
Didn’t the Saudi Government actually bankroll the movie?
I figured that is why they did not deal with Wahabisim. You can’t clean that up.
@ Eliana:
What can we expect from the woman who played up to Arafish?
/
@ jakee308:
I believe the Abraham Lincoln.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
Good morning Goddess.
@ Lost:
Yeah, and she kissed Suhaha on the cheek after Suhaha had accused Israel earlier in the meeting of poisoning the wells in Gaza.
@ song_and_dance_man:
I’m so pleased to here that!
Has anyone heard how Lolly Gator’s grandson’s surgery went?
Morning All, especially to Eliana and Moe Katz for the most entertaining and informative internet spat that I have seen in a long time.
Pity about Hoffman.
@ Eliana:
Yes it is. It was strange. J hardly gets sick. He came down with the flu a few weeks ago and while we were waiting for the doctor in the room he asked me when was the last time he became ill. I had to think about it and it was many years ago. He got over that bout in just days and then a week ago he had an infected throat. I suspect it was secondary, but he is doing fine now.
@ African Moondog:
I know. the AP spun it that the democrat owens won in a very heavily leaning GOP district. Right.
Dede siphoned off 6%. Not sure it would have made a difference, but when you pull out of the race, your name should come off the ballot.
@ RIX:
The movie wasn’t filmed in Saudi Arabia, though.
I think it was filmed in the United Arab Emirates, Arizona, Wash DC and Mexico.
African Moondog wrote:
On the other hand, he did quite well for a candidate in Moonbat State-East Coast Division. I think conservative candidates will do very well next time around!
@ Rightside:
I concur!
@ Rightside:
To me the real story last night is that in New Jersey, the Christy margin was too big to steal it away.
Union workers & Acorn were on the ground, Obama came in numerous times for Corzine & the state is heavily Dem & still the Republicans won.
@ Eliana:
Gasp!! How dare you disparage THE SMARTEST WOMAN™? I wonder how many female Democrats cover their faces in shame when this woman does anything these days. WHAT-A-PHONY. She once was a RINO ya know. Then when opportunity came knocking .. suddenly she’s a Democrat
persecutingprosecuting Republicans. Then POOF she’s a shyster down in AR KANSAS looking all house-wifey for the Rotarians. Let’s her penile-judgment impaired version of W.C. Fields rape his way through the maidenheads of Little Rock then suddenly is “Co-President” and is a Feminist Icon.Has this woman ever done anything or been in a position of notoriety that SHE didn’t get to by taking a lot of crap from a man?
@ jakee308:
OK, aside from Eliana’s and my avatar, yours is running a close third.
@ Eliana:
The movie wasn’t filmed in Saudi Arabia, though.
I think it was filmed in the United Arab Emirates, Arizona, Wash DC and Mexico.
They didn’t want the Infidels too close to Mecca?
@ song_and_dance_man:
Glad to hear he’s doing well!
Flu and an infected throat are scary things these days!
By the way, I got an email recently about things to do to help prevent the flu and to do if one starts to have symptoms. It was mostly about the throat and trying to either swish germs out of there or flush them down to the stomach where they would be killed by digestive forces.
Also, stuff about keeping ones hands away from ones mouth and nose.
The throat stuff was about gargling with warm salt water or Listerine twice per day or else drinking hot liquids that would flush the germs down into the stomach.
The throat seems to be a huge issue in all this so I’m glad your son is past it now.
@ RIX:
I agree, not complaining. 2 out of 3, I will take anyday. Let this send a message. One year and counting.
@ RIX:
Well, I think the United Arab Emirates is friendlier (and they do more business with westerners anyway, right?)
@ African Moondog:
Thank you (I guess).
Rightside wrote:
The Dems like Bob Beckle are already spinning that last night was not a bad night for them with a victory in NY 23.
They know better & so do the Blue Dogs. Tough now for them to vote for ObamaCare .
Eliana wrote:
That sounds right.
A link
http://www.light-of-israel.org/loi10.shtml
one Jewish perspective of Jesus
Well, I don’t know if it’s because I searched for Aisha’s comments or that I started using my gravatar but I finally have achieved
BANNAGE!!!1111ELEVNTY!!!!
(probably the former even tho it was late at night)
To any lgf’ers trolling here — You’re Lizard King and his minions are WATCHING YOU just like all good tyrants and petty megalomaniacs and narcissists he cannot abide disobedience or lack of worship.
YOU’VE BEEN WARNED!
@ jakee308:
Hillary is a piece of work, alright.
@ jakee308:
Congratulations! Since I’m still up and eating sorbet– Cheers! This ones for you!
@ Eliana:
Eliana, even though your blood was beginning to boil, you and Moe informed me about things I had no knowlege about, but which I found interesting enough to read further. That is why spats when they happen should be allowed to run their course as long as they don’t get too personal.
RIX wrote:
the democrat got less than 50% of the votes in a district where a democrat has won for over 20 years.
the democrats have been exposed and will be soundly defeated in 2010.
I predict Pelosi will be out of the leadership and in the minority.
harry Reid is finished in the senate too
And how’s this for fair and balanced reporting. From the LA Times
@ jakee308:
Hmmm, being banned over there is like being told that you can no longer vacation in Newark. Congratulations!
@ African Moondog:
Now my curiosity is getting the better of me. Where was this “spat?”
@ Doppelganger:
AMEN!
@ jakee308:
Oh Noes! How will you ever cope with the feeling of abandonment, the angst of iciness, the loss of KTs incisive defense of AGW? Oh, dat’s right, you can still lurk I guess. May you be comforted by the realization that, while for you the universe has winked out, the Lizard horde continues on in the search for oneness and tankers./
@ Doppelganger:
Harry Reid is pretty much toast. Time to be a lobbyist.
I would love to see Pelosi in the Minority.
@ BenZacharia:
Well that one link has not changed my mind. Nice try.
@ BenZacharia:
They are from an unusual sect that only has 30,000 members, though.
I’d never heard of them myself until checking out your link.
@ BenZacharia:
Is that TRULY a jewish perspective? it’s a little harsh and distorted and if a similarly worded/implied screed was done by a christian wouldn’t jews feel the need to condemn it?
@ Panhandler:
One ness and tankers.
LOL.
what you get there now is one opinion and wankers
@ African Moondog:
Oh, I see.
Thanks!
@ Doppelganger:
A lot can happen in a year, It would be a grave mistake for the anti-idiotarian forces to rest on their laurels now.
See ya later.
@ jakee308:
No, it’s from a very small sect that the Israelis govt tried to keep out of Israel when they went to immigrate there in the 1950s.
There are only 30,000 members in the world.
I knew something was off about the link right away because they kept saying the Biblical name of G-d, which no Jew today is allowed to say.
Repeating this name over and over and over when we’re not allowed to say it at all was a huge clue to me that something was amiss.
So, I tracked down the name of the guy and his sect online.
Lost wrote:
It started on about #80. Gentiles should look on it as an educational exercise.
@ Lost:
What spat?
/Whistling innocently…
African Moondog wrote:
true dat. Rather than sit on their laurela, I think they are now even more fired up since they have seen the cracks in the libtard dam
SADM
Not my goal. Exposing crap that passes for theology.
Eliana
Sanhedrin 106 more to your liking?
Princeton has an excellent online version.
@ Eliana:
Ah, answered before asked. Thank you.
That’s a relief.
As to religious differences or deriving opinions by the search of the other’s holy book; look to the words/deeds of the believers TODAY and then judge whether they have sought (as Jesus taught: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.) to ease and soften certain deadly responses that were justified by the perpetrators in the past by claiming they were decreed by G_d.
I think there’s only one religion that has refused to become part of the community of nations/believers.
Oh and BTW, 2009 Weblog Awards are open for nomination.
@ BenZacharia:
The link you provided doesn’t pass to anyone except 30,000 members who were almost kept from immigrating to Israel in the 1950s because their views were so far out of whack.
They were allowed in because they were born Jews, but their sect is so inconsequential that I’d never heard of them until I saw your link.
Wasn’t even looking for it, found it by ‘binging’ Joe Doakes’(’46 cartoon character) and found that.
@ jakee308:
Congrats on your banning! Have you informed Kirls? BTW the defensefreak has been quiet, although I suspect that Jeppo and I have been banned there.
BenZacharia wrote:
I see. Crap as in the Christian faith. I’m sure your God would agree with that.
I also note that it is INTERPRETATIONS and the believers of same that cause the most problems between Jews and Christians. Jews are NOT condemned, as a people or religion, in the New
Testament. (I could be in error here. If so feel free to enlighten me. I fairly certain JESUS did not condemn ALL JEWS. Just some for their legalism and spiritual capitalism.)
@ song_and_dance_man:
Actually, I think he was calling the words in his link “crap that passes for theology.”
It doesn’t pass this way for anyone except a small sect that most Jews have no idea exists.
@ BenZacharia:
Couldn’t resist sharing it, though, eh?
@ Lost:
Hoffman didn’t win, it is true. In some ways, though, it was still a victory for the conservatives. We kept the RINO out, and that means something. She won’t be there to vote with the Democrats and create the illusion of “bipartisanship” when she is really just a Democrat pretending to be a Republican. And we have also sent a message to the GOP “leadership” that we wil not be taken for granted. Maybe we can’t quite win all on our own, but they can’t even field candidates without us.
I still maintain that if the Republicans would have governed as Republicans we would still hold the House and Senate, and it is not inconceivable that we’d also still have the Presidency.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
I would nominate chuckles for best liberal blog, but he sucks as a liberal too.
I agree with the nomination of blogmocracy for best conservative blog. I think it also qualifies as best political blog and best new blog.
Looking forward to voting as often as is legal
Blogmocracy is the Best Community!
@ African Moondog:
Just after I left. I always miss the good bits!
@ Eliana:
Very interesting, actually! I teach this period in History and I love it!
@ Iron Fist:
Agreed!
There will be another election for this seat in a year.
A Republican will win it next time.
BenZacharia wrote:
Yet you found it link worthy. Why don’t you just come out and say it and save us the time?
@ Doppelganger:
I just nominated us as the best new blog.
African Moondog wrote:
I assume Kirls refers to whoever is maintaining a list of the BANNED?
Also, I’d like to repeat to all what I did to get banned.
1. searched for comments by aisha on lgf 1.0 at the request of another here.
2. I thus exposed myself as commenting HERE. (what this means should cause EVERYONE to sit back and take thought at what THAT really means. How much effort is being expended in monitoring other blogs (especially of course this one) to find apostates and ban their accounts there.
3. I did put up my ‘NO LITTLE GREEN FOOTBALLS LOGO logo’ as my avatar. I don’t know which action precipitated my banning so some might want to believe that this last one was it. However, I only put that up yesterday EVENING. I searched for Aisha on Sunday. So which one do you think they had time to suss out by now?
CHARLES FOSTER JOHNSON: YOU ARE A PETTY LITTLE LEFTIST CUNT.
(I almost indulged in a very vicious round of curses but decided that, NO HE’S NOT WORTH THE TROUBLE or stain on my soul.
Thanks Charles for banning me. It’s strangely liberating.
for what it’s worth, I commented at 1.0 as jcw46. Didn’t comment much; maybe 1k post with 500 karma. Pretty much minded my own business and just read. (learned some things there so it wasn’t a total loss).
Now to the future.
@ Lost:
Great because it’s all being rewritten so we need people to remember what really happened!!
The liberals and the Muslims are saying now that Thomas Jefferson had a Quran because he loved Islam so much when he actually read the Quran because he was going to declare war on militant Islamists in the Middle East (which he did and won the war).
The liberals and Muslims are saying that western civilization was founded by Muslims.
So when I saw someone say that Judaism’s greatest philosopher got his ideas from Islam, I couldn’t let it stand.
This stuff is going on way too much in our world right now.
@ Doppelganger:
Since he was pwned by Pamela Geller last time, I think that he best be nominated in the Liberal Blog category.
@ jakee308:
It’s definitely freeing to be banned from there!!
Good post!
BenZacharia wrote:
Hey Ben, I was just looking for the definition of “PROTOCOLS” and look what I found.
(i won’t link to that but you get the idea.)
@ song_and_dance_man:
Nope, ya keep getting it wrong. Crap in theology period. If your theology is not founded in the scriptures, it’s crap. Like ‘dual covenant’ can’t be found in scripture.Noahide laws are another example for not taking responisbilty for being a light for the nations,sound familiar?
Isa 42:6 I the NAME have called thee in righteousness, and have taken hold of thy hand, and kept thee, and set thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the nations;
Isa 49:6 Yea, He saith: ‘It is too light a thing that thou shouldest be My servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the offspring of Israel; I will also give thee for a light of the nations, that My salvation may be unto the end of the earth.’
Isa 60:3 And nations shall walk at thy light, and kings at the brightness of thy rising.
Deu 6:4 HEAR, O ISRAEL: THE NAME OUR G-D, THE NAME IS ONE.
One G-d, One Torah, One Salvation from Ha’Shem in Hebrew יהושׁע
Here’s the cartoon
http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-far-fetched-in-1948.html
@ Eliana:
To an extent Jews always integrated into their countries of residence. However, I don’t entirely agree with the premise that Maimonides ideas were borrowed from Islamic culture.
@ BenZacharia:
Problem is Ben; WHO’S SCRIPTURES? WHO WROTE THEM AND WHEN?
To base the condemnation or disparagement of anyone or their beliefs based upon words written by unknown authors, copied by unknown scribes and religious sects for how many years is ignorant. The possibility of ERROR due to copying mistakes is large enough alone to call into question any belief/creed that hinges on a few words in a sentence. The misplacement or absence of punctuation. THEN let’s talk about interpreting one written ancient currently unused language and it’s interpretation into an OLD language currently unused today and the interpretation OF THAT into cold hard facts that you would use to insult others with seemingly smug glee?
@ Lost:
Thanks.
Last year, I studied a lecture series (20 hours) from a school in Israel that teaches various religious subjects (all Orthodox Jewish, of course).
The course was 20 hours of understanding Maimonides’ views.
It was an incredible 20 hours of lectures.
All taught by a rabbi.
African Moondog wrote:
Is there a category for biggest decline ? that’s the only category in which he belongs
jake…
Linguistics is a well established discipline. It’s one reason we can still understand the Constitution. Unlike progressives who ignore linguistics.
@ Lost:
P.S. The lecture series was in MP3 files, by the way.
I put them on my iPod.
@ Eliana:
I’ll bet it was incredible. He was a fascinating person who had great triumphs and tribulations in his life. In addition, he was indelibly influenced by his father. All of this had an impact on who a grew to be.
/okay I’ll get of my soap box – reluctantly.
ARGH…I need the edit button!
a=he
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@ BenZacharia:
First of all, you presume because of my faith, which I rarely expound on online, that it borders or hindges on a dual covenant. Wrong(as I quote from your cherished link). There is only one covenant. And your right in this matter where it concerns there is no other. What you miss is the terms have been expanded. God is not in a nutshell.
Secondly. I agree with the Mosaic Abrahamic and Noahide laws(or rather terms of agreement). However, just as there have been other interpretations of those terms, I lean towards the new found explanation of them in the words of Yeshua.
Lastly, I have never downed the belief of the Orthodox or any other brand of Jew(I’m half Jew by the way, and that may not be liked by some), so with no remorse I must say you have a lot to learn about dealing with others who may not believe as you.
What Israel has found on board the seized ship from Iran to Hezbollah:
good morning……didn’t think i’d wake up so happy this morning
OH BTW. I recommend that anyone wishing to ‘flounce’ (dang, I didn’t get to flounce! consider my comment when I set my avatar as my flounce; it’s just here instead of there. apropos when you think about it.) Stop commenting for a while before you do so. It’s a funny thing but even though you may hate something or someone, we feel remorse and grief when THEY LEAVE FIRST! I’m sure we’ve all experienced this; hated a job or a lover/friend then missed them when they fired us or left?
So ween yourself from the lizard nest by commenting here for a while and then when you’re banned or you flounce then it probably won’t bother you too much.
ESPECIALLY NOW THAT THE SITE IS ALL SPIFFY AND EVERYBODY’S HERE.
Thanks again to Song-and-Dance-Man, Savage, Rodan, Bar, M, WrathofG-d, Speranza, MightyConservative ET AL.
@ Eliana:
A peace offering?
/
BenZacharia wrote:
Excuse me! who’s doing the linguiticing? HUMAN BEINGS!! You know those entities descended from apes or something THAT ARE FALLIBLE AND HAVE ULTERIOR MOTIVES!!!
NO ONE can tell me that their HOLY BOOK is IDENTICAL TO THE RECEIVED WORD given to some prophet or holy person from G-D thousands of years ago. Mistakes happen. People change things to suit themselves. People change things because they screw up.
don’t give me this ‘our holy book has no errors in it’ cause then I know you’re a zealous fanatic that cannot accept even the remotest possibility that human error could creep in to a written work over thousands of years. If you are then don’t lay claim to any scholarship or learning you’re just a pedant.
@ Lost:
Uh – no.
The advanced anti-aircraft platforms not before found in the region are especially worrisome.
SADM
We ‘down’ beliefs every time we take an opposite position. As for presentation, sugar coat it, like….?
Great place, we should be forgetting about lgf in 9, 8, 7, 6……
Jake…
Wrong thread. Evilution threads are ‘selrahC specialty.
@ Eliana:
Those were just for use against Ham asses!
Honest.
They were there when they bought the boat?
How about there was a mix up on the loading dock at Bander Abbas?
@ BenZacharia:
the ‘descended from apes or something’ was just a throw away line and not to be taken as an indication of any creationist/evolutionist bent on my part.
Back.
Why is Mandy Manners still over there? I think she needs to be over here.
Good morning everyone…
Morning Dorian!
Rightside wrote:
I’m going to go with “What are co-dependent issues” for $1000.00 Alex…
@ Lost:
Good morning lost…
When it comes to the accuracy of the Torah as it has been preserved in copies all these years:
THE ACCURACY OF OUR WRITTEN TORAH – PDF File
@ Rightside:
Perhaps they are holding her club by four hostage and she won’t go without it?
Your guess is ???
@ phoenixgirl:
I still wish Hoffman had won. Virginia was like an early Christmas Present, and sending Corazine packing is almost as good as sending him to hell. We have a year until the next election. We have to do everything in our power to destroy the main enemy before then. Wreck them, trash them, devalue them, make it insufferable for them so that when the election finally gets here they will be happy they’ve lost. I know, it’s a tall order. One we won’t be able to accomplish with all of them (I’d love to clean sweep the entire House), but a good goal to set.
Jake…
As for contiuity of text, I refer you to the Isa. scroll ca. 100 bce.
@ doriangrey:
Hey dorian, did you bring the coffee this morning?
Good answer, but we need a sock to drop hints to her.
@ BenZacharia:
I seem to be in your sights, and that is comforting, since you are an educated man.
When have I ever posted a link that ‘downs’ Judaism and serves to prove the Jew have it all wrong from their perspective? That question, of course, needs research so let me give the answer free of charge. Never.
As to opposing views. It is one thing to state your belief, but to link to a hate site to prove your mindset is another that borders on irresponsibility. As I said up thread and before, why not just say what you believe and we can go from there.
For me, I believe Yeshua was and is the son of God. He was and is the second or last Adam.
@ apachegunner:
It is kind of like an abcessed tooth. You can’t really forget about it, but you sure do want the damned thing gone…
@ Lost:
Not sure, but if she were only to read a couple threads, she’d bolt for the door.
She constantly asks questions, and the answers she gets now aren’t up to her standards. She’s becoming frustrated.
@ Rightside:
No. No thanks. No offense to Mandy (well yes I guess so) but you know the leopard can’t change it’s spots. She’s casually abusive and obscene (and I get criticized for MY language). With the addition of being hard core leftist if not still communist. Her and Sharm and a few others I would not welcome here due to the suspicion of motive and the potential poisoning of the well they and others might accomplish.
I’ll pass thanks. (I also don’t think they would ever comment here publicly. we KNOW they read here all the time. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that they have accounts also.— HI MANDY, NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF BITCH. SHARMUTA QUIT GIVING B.J.’S TO C.J. You know he gets lazy and indolent when you do that too much)
Eliana wrote:
Remember, my coreligionists, that on account of the vast number of our sins God has hurled us into the midst of this people, the Arabs, who have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us, as God has forewarned us: Our enemies themselves shall judge us. Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase, and hate us as much as they.
snip
Daniel also alludes to our humiliation and degradation like the dust in threshing suffered only at the hands of the Arabs, may they be speedily vanquished, when he says: And it made fall to the earth some of the host, yea of the stars, some of which it trampled. Although we are dishonored by them beyond human endurance, and have to put up with their fabrications, we yet behave like him of whom the prophet said: But I am like a deaf man, unhearing, like a dumb man who cannot speak up. Similarly, our sages instructed us to bear the prevarications and lies of Ishmael in silence. They found it in a cryptic allusion to this attitude in the names of his sons, Mishma, Dumah, and Massa, which have been interpreted to mean listen, be silent, and endure. We have acquiesced, both young and old, to inure ourselves to humiliation, as Isaiah instructed us: I offered my back to the floggers, and my cheeks to those who tore out my hair. All this notwithstanding, we do not-escape this continued maltreatment and pressure, which well-nigh crush us. No matter how much we suffer and elect to remain at peace with them, they stir up strife and sedition, as David describes: I am all peace; but when I speak, they are for war. Most certainly therefore if we start trouble, and claim power from them absurdly and preposterously, we surely give ourselves up to destruction.
snip
Crisis and Leadership: Epistles of Maimonides
Book by Moses Maimonides, Abraham S. Halkin; Jewish Publication Society of America, 1985 (p. 126/127)
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Belated THANKS!!
With the New Blog Wallpaper and all and the new name, I thought someone should carry a flag representing how/why we all are here here and now.
@ jakee308:
You have a super avatar!
@ Rightside:
<—- passes Rightside cup of Military grade coffee…
@ Iron Fist: Ya know Fish, I am one of those who feels his/her congress critter is one of the best (DeMint and Wilson) and I feel as though I’d have no other. Am I wrong?
haha, I mean Fist bud, Fist
<———–shoves bottle over toward Dorian
@ Guggi:
Thanks, Guggi!!
If you have “Guide of the Perplexed” handy, I believe that Maimonides described the Arabs’ messed up thinking when he spoke of the Arabs who were trying to follow Aristotle’s system but couldn’t understand it.
The index has 7 or 8 pages of Arabs Aristotelians, I believe.
@ doriangrey:
Thanks!
@ Eliana:
I’m sorry. I’m just a doubter AND a believer in the human ability to lie cheat and steal to attain their aims. I will never accept anyone’s claim that a document thousands of years old has never altered, been altered, been misinterpreted, been twisted, been accidentally altered or is not in some way different from the original. WE. ARE FALLIBLE. BEINGS. If a mistake or error CAN HAPPEN then it will or has happened. Just because a group (who have a vested interest in proving that a text is unaltered) states otherwise doesn’t impress me. No offense. I believe this about every ancient text/holy book that someone has based a religion or movement upon.
@ RIX:
Thank you.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Not at all in my sights.
Link was not from a hate site, found it ‘amusing’, as in ‘you got to be kidding’, when I found it yesterday.
As for dual covenant, I did not know you ‘leaned’ to that theology, just used it as one example. Noahides that exclude kashrut as another.
JPS
Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee seven and seven, each with his mate; and of the beasts that are not clean two and two, each with his mate;
Clean as in what sense? Need a bath?
apachegunner:
For some reason, your post reminded me of this!
http://www.blowoutcongress.com
use that
start your own
call, write, e-mail, snail mail, visit their offices, join local R clubs, run for office large and small,
If not you, who?
@ jakee308:
Luckily, you don’t need to take it on faith that the Torah has been preserved well:
Also, the Yemeni Jews were separated from the rest of the Jewish world for 2500 years and their Torah has only six letters different from the Torahs in the rest of the Jewish world (and the six different letters are insignificant).
This is the most amazing test of all and the Torah passes it.
@ apachegunner:
Mmmm mmmm Baileys in my morning coffee…
I can believe that written texts wil be preserved accurately for many thousands of years for one simple reason: they stuff they were written on was very, very expensive. One mistake meant the entire scrol had to be trashed and started again. People who made mistakes very quickly stopped being scribes.
As for the meaning of the written words… idiom changes. We do understand that and we try to work that into our understanding of ancient texts but it’s not always possible. Some idiom changes so gradually that the original meaning is forgotten entirely.
Now, another thing:
That link above, I read it, digested it (Very bitter it was) and came up with a fundamental misunderstanding in their theology.
What, in essence, is the Law of God? The sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. The symbolic spilling of the sacrificial blood place of your own, for the life is in the blood, and to sin against god is to forfeit your life. The law was set down to create a mechanism for the forgiveness of sin through sacrificial spilling of that blood.
What does it mean to fulfil the law in that case? Not to follow ever rule and regulation, the ink got that much right. Though Jesus folowed much of the law he did not follow all of it to the letter demanded by the priesthood in his day. The law was imperfect. Sacrificial spilling of a surrogate’s blood through the sacrifice of animals is imperfect. It’s a stand-in for our own sacrifice, our own blood. Our blood, that God has the right to spill every time we sin against him. He set up one system for it, and the priests turned what was a burden into a virtue, stubbornly refusing to understand that they were hanging by a single thread of mercy and grace, that God had instituted the law not to honour them but to save them and that they had a unique responsibility not only to God and their people, but to all mankind. Sacrifices were instituted because not even our own death can fulfil the requirements of the law, but merely cover our own sin under that law. So he sent his son, the final sacrifice, the final fulfilment of the law that sin requires death. Jesus, perfect in being, is the only one who can fulfil that requirement for all time. He is the only one who can fulfil the law. All we mere mortals could do is follow it.
@ jakee308: errrrrr, the ten commandments come to mind. do you also think those have also be adulterated?
TTFN
It’s my ‘half day monday’ @10:30.
Hmm, I think I got a bit excited…
Out of idle curiosity I went over to LGF.
Weasel & her pals are spinning that NY23 is a guge Dem victory & defeat for Palin & Beck.
They are jut ignoring NJ & Virginia.
There is some pushback though from the not yet banned.
Good Morning Everyone!
Wow new address! New look! Debates about Politics! Religion! Even a mention of Michael Crichton! Science talk! Philosophy talk! Veterans are here! And a little bit flouncing too! Right on.
Yeah Freedom!
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Love that.
BTW; just to be clear: My belief that all ancient religious books are most likely contain errors or alterations does not mean I have no respect to the adherents of those religions. My respect of people derives primarily from observation. I have learned (to my regret and delight) that people should be respected on the basis of what they do over what they say. Usually what someone DOES is a more accurate guide to their true inner self than anything they could say.
Words are just vibrating air.
Actions are visible, usually repeating and are difficult to hide over any length of time.
@ RIX:
They’re fooling themselves.
Even MSNBC’s website is describing the VA and NJ victories as HUGE for the Republicans.
MNSBC is quoting the NYT on their front web page, too:
Be back on an open thread.
My eyes are closing. G’day Everyone and good night to me!
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@ jakee308:
So is flatulence.
Some vibrations are valid others are not. Some will clear the room.
@ apachegunner:
errr, could be. I didn’t say that all alterations were necessarily bad.
Now I’m going to make some coffee.
Here’s a tip (it’s probably not that special)
instead of one of those fancy expensive creamers with exotic flavors just mix some powdered cocoa (or other beverage powder into your coffee.
bbiab
To bad Infeidel Blogers doesn’t have ‘Best Paranoid Trying To Act Rational Blogger’.
One doesn’s have to be Karnak to figure that one out.
@ jakee308:
Again, it’s lucky that you don’t need to wonder about this because it’s been demonstrated that the Torah has a margin of error of less than .00004 (which is amazing, but understandable considering the lengths that the Jewish people went to for 3300 years to keep it accurate).
It’s pretty amazing – 3300 years later.
@ Eliana:
Yup, New Jersey is a sea change. The protest vote was so big that there was too much to steal.
This should be a heads up for the Blue Dogs not to vote for any bill with a public option.
@ jakee308: Jake, I use Baileys.
Even CNN is calling last night’s Republican victory huge:
When MSNBC, CNN and the NYT are talking about the importance and the significance of big GOP victories — eventually, the Kos and Kos-Lite Kids will have to face up to it.
We’ll never win another election again if we don’t do what you say, CJ?
We just won two big ones.
Put that in your ponytail and smoke it.
Good morning all!
Hope today is the day!
Eliana wrote:
He is ignoring two huge Governor wins and focusing on a little ny23 loss.
Cuz he is a loser!!
Hear that Sharm??
@ Eliana:
Cj & others over there are always lecturing about how the Republican Party has problems & they need to move Left.
There is a civil war in the Dem Party or ObaamaCare would already be law.
At LGF they just ignore that & keep on talking about the death of the R Party. Looks pretty much alive after yesterday.
Eliana wrote:
Hmmm, I think he must be pulling his hair back so hard to make that ponytail, that he is crushing the blood out of his brain…
@ BenZacharia:
Exactly so. Look at human nature. We tend to try to change what we’ve said or misquote others in our defense. Scholars/authors attempt this all the time.
Up until the time of the invention of movable type, books/scrolls were hand copied by scribes employed by or members of religious organizations. These organizations were usually of the same religion as the author of the book/scroll. Why is it so impossible for some scribe at some time inserting or deleting something in what they were transcribing? Yes there were others proof reading what they wrote but what if the group leaders decided to do the edit? People have been known to attempt this in this day and age, why do we believe that the ancients were free from this fault?
Oh and flatulence does have a useful purpose; it relieves the flatulee of the pressure built up by the absorption of noxious input served up sometimes by others.
Now Fox News online has an even better headline:
Obama Dealt a Blow as Dems Face Voter Backlash at Polls
I’m loving this!
there is a “njrob” posting over at 1.0 and this guy/girl has quite a take on the views of the democrats vision of the republican party. One of the best posts I think I ever read. I will cut this and save it for future use.
@ doriangrey:
Maybe he needs to adjust his bicycle helmet, must be too tight.
@ Eliana:
I have an older translation so it may be more difficult to find. But do you refer to this passages? p. 199
Secondly, our belief in the Incorporeality of God is not contrary to any of the fundamental principles of our religion; it is not contrary to the words of any prophet. Only ignorant people believe that it is contrary to the teaching of Scripture; but we have shown that this is not the case; on the contrary, Scripture teaches the Incorporeality of God. If we were to accept the Eternity of the Universe as taught by Aristotle, that everything in the Universe is the result of fixed laws, that Nature does not change, and that there is nothing supernatural, we should necessarily be in opposition to the foundation of our religion, we should disbelieve all miracles and signs, and certainly reject all hopes and fears derived from Scripture, unless the miracles are also explained figuratively. The Allegorists amongst the Mohammedans have done this, and have thereby arrived at absurd conclusions. If, however, we accepted the Eternity of the Universe in accordance with the second of the theories which we have expounded above (ch. xxiii.), and assumed, with Plato, that the heavens are likewise transient, we should not be in opposition to the fundamental principles of our religion; this theory would not imply the rejection of miracles, but, on the contrary, would admit them as possible. The Scriptural text might have been explained accordingly, and many expressions might have been found in the Bible and in other writings that would confirm and support this theory. But there is no necessity for this expedient, so long as the theory has not been proved. As there is no proof sufficient to convince us, this theory need not be taken into consideration, nor the other one; we take the text of the Bible literally, and say that it teaches us a truth which we cannot prove; and the miracles are evidence for the correctness of our view.
or p. 100 ff
When the Mohammedans caused Arabic translations of the writings of the Philosophers to be made, those criticisms were likewise translated. When the opinions of John the Grammarian, of Ibn Adi, and of kindred authors on those subjects were made accessible to them, they adopted them, and imagined that they had arrived at the solution of important problems. Moreover, they selected from the opinions of the ancient philosophers whatever seemed serviceable to their purposes, although later critics had proved that those theories were false; as, e.g., the theories of atoms and of a vacuum. They believed that the discussions of those authors were of a general character, and contained propositions useful for the defence of positive religion. At a subsequent period the same theories were more fully developed, and presented an aspect unknown to those Theologians of the Greeks and other nations who were the immediate successors of the Philosophers. At a later time, when the Mohammedans adopted certain peculiar theological theories they were naturally obliged to defend them; and when their new theories, again became the subject of controversy among them, each party laid down such propositions as suited their special doctrine.
Their arguments undoubtedly involved certain principles which concerned the three communities — Jews, Christians, and Mohammedans, such as the creatio ex nihilo, which afforded support to the belief in miracles and to various other doctrines. There are, however, other subjects of belief which the Christians and Mohammedans have undertaken to defend, such as the doctrine of the Trinity in the theological works of the former, and “the Word” in the works of some Mohammedan sects; in order to prove the dogmas which they thus desired to establish, they were compelled to resort to certain hypotheses. It is not our object to criticize things which are peculiar to either creed, or books which were written exclusively in the interest of the one community or the other. We merely maintain that the earlier Theologians, both of the Greek Christians and of the Mohammedans, when they laid down their propositions, did not investigate the real properties of things; first of all they considered what must be the properties of the things which should yield proof for or against a certain creed; and when this was found they asserted that the thing must be endowed with those properties; then they employed the same assertion as a proof for the identical arguments which had led to the assertion, and by which they either supported or refuted a certain opinion. This course was followed by able men who originated this method, and adopted it in their writings. They professed to be free from preconceived opinions, and to have been led to a stated result by actual research. Therefore when philosophers of a subsequent date studied the same writings they did not perceive the true character of the arguments; on the contrary, they found in the ancient works strong proofs and a valuable support for the acceptance or the rejection of certain opinions, and thus thought that, so far as religious principles were concerned, there was no necessity whatever to prove or refute any of their propositions, and that the first Mutakallemim had discussed those subjects with the sole object of defeating certain views of the philosophers, and demonstrating the insufficiency of their proofs. Persons who hold this opinion, do not suspect how much they are mistaken; for the first Mutakallemim tried to prove a proposition when it was expedient to demonstrate its truth; and to disprove it, when its rejection was desirable, and when it was contrary to the opinion which they wished to uphold, although the contradiction might only become obvious after the application of a hundred successive propositions. In this manner the earlier Mutakallemim effected a radical cure of the malady! I tell you, however, as a general rule, that Themistius was right in saying that the properties of things cannot adapt themselves to our opinions, but our opinions must be adapted to the existing properties.
And the conservatives proved to the national Republican establishment that they can not win without the conservatives. Their hand picked RHINO was crushed in NY-23. Maybe they will hear us now before its too late for Florida.
@ Eliana:
To paraphrase Tina Turner; WHAT’S LUCK GOT TO DO WITH IT?
link to any simple statement of how this was authenticated. Was their Torah dated? How? by whom?
@ RIX:
They are trying to run a “psyop” on the conservatives, distract distract distract. They are hoping more and more people dont realize that being a conservative does not automatically make you a Republican.
All of the conservatives I personally know here in SoCal only vote Republican because the Republicans run candidates that are closer to being conservative than the Democrats are. When we get a real conservative with a half a chance of winning we vote for them.
@ jakee308:
The Rabbi explained this in the article.
THE ACCURACY OF OUR WRITTEN TORAH – PDF File
Also, Torahs were compared between Jewish populations that had been separated for 2500 years. They matched except for 6 letters (out of 304,805 letters in each Torah).
It was an amazing effort to keep the Torah accurate and it has worked down to an error rate of less then .00004 – and the rabbi explained how.
It’s amazing!
typicalwhitey wrote:
I do think MY-23 is big, in a lot of ways. Conservatives got the Republican back-room appointment trashed and forced her to resign from the race, just not early enough. Scuzzybean then trashed the Republicans by throwing her support to the Dem. The fact that this district hadn’t had a Dem rep since 1872 is a pretty big deal. Next year, will the local Repubs be duly chastened or will they continue with the Dem lite/progressive candidate nonsense? And will the RNC and NRCC show some stones in setting some rules to be obeyed, or else? I still think the Repubs who put her on the ballot should be kicked out of the Party, along with Scuzzybean (not that means much in her case anyway). But there must be some principles that have to be a bright-line test. Smaller government and lower taxes are two such principles. Oh, and dump Newt, Romney, and Huckabee, too. Leaders lead, not wait to see which way the wind is blowing.
@ Eliana:
That is freaking amazing!
@ RIX:
Heh heh, Chucky calls to mind that one kid on the short bus who always had to wear a helmet because his skull was soft and needed extra protection. Yup, me thinks that was Chucky and his bicycle is just an excuse to be seen everywhere in that helmet…
@ RickZ:
You bring up a good point about this being only until the ’10 normal elections.
If Hoffman can do so well against the odds he faced then it bodes well for a run in ’10. Especially if he can get backing by Real Republicans™.
OldNuc wrote:
That’s not really fair. She withdrew from the race before the election. What is important is the votes that went for her were the difference in Hoffman losing the election.
morning folks
in other news
Secret copyright treaty leaks. It’s bad. Very bad.
The internet chapter of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a secret copyright treaty whose text Obama’s administration refused to disclose due to “national security” concerns, has leaked. It’s bad. It says:
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/03/secret-copyright-tre.html
@ jakee308:
It was their current Torah that they had when they met up with Jews again after being separated from the Jewish people for roughly 2500 years.
@ Eliana:
It was their current Torah that they had when they met up with Jews again after being separated from the REST OF THE Jewish people for roughly 2500 years.
European Court Rules Crucifix to be removed from Italian Classroms
@ African Moondog:
Yes, it is!!
@ RickZ:
You have it right. The Rupublicans lost but the conservatives won in NY-23. Now the question going forward is this, do the Washington elite Republicans get the message or do they loose in 2010?
FYI, the NY state county Republicans are saying this AM that they had a great deal of “council” from teh RNC and NRCC as to who to nominate for this election.
And I agree with this sentiment also: “Oh, and dump Newt, Romney, and Huckabee, too. Leaders lead, not wait to see which way the wind is blowing.”
From our favorite troll
“SpaceJesus
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bittersweet day. good going NY, but Maine? what the fuck? really?”
@ RIX:
Obama put everything he had into Va and NJ. It wasn’t enough. For all the crowing they want to do about NY-23, the ones of them who aren’t nuts have to be worried.
@ African Moondog:
lol,yeah,gay marriage the most important issue of the day. Must be why the people continue to vote against it.
@ OldNuc:
From Michelle Malkin:
Which is what I’ve been saying here this morning, without reading what MM said. But to at least the two of us, that is the lesson. Will it be learned by the Big Boys? That remains to be seen.
@ rain of lead:
Please tell me that is satire.
Iron Fist wrote:
And Virginia was a sweep too!
Gov. Lt. Gov and Att Gen.!
All three went R.
Obama went personally to NJ and so did Biden. And they got their ass handed to them. Without the third party candidate, Christie would have won by an even larger margin!
The Blue Dogs are watching!
Don’t know how those underlines got there. Sorry about that.
@ Eliana:
You didn’t point me to any objective proof of the age. Or how it was dated. or who dated it.
Now I know. Didn’t close the link tag. D’oh!
@ rain of lead:
A lot of Obama voters waking up on that thread. It’s fascinating to watch.
A Deathblow for ObamaCare
@ RickZ:
My only problem with this election result is what do “staunchly” Republican voters want? Rinos, Dems or conservatives? It seems obvious here, just sayin’
@ RickZ:
you didn’t close the link with </a>.
@ Eliana:
There is a very old translation of the text provided on the internet. Maybe it will help:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/gfp/index.htm
Just reading MM’s analysis over at her site and its a good one. We will know in a couple of days if the Washington Republican elite have received the message or not. This will not take long to figure out. The establishment is being actively opposed in at least Florida and California.
Iron Fist wrote:
I came across a proggy blog yesterday that said NY 23 wasn’t such a big deal, and even if the C won – it didn’t matter at all.
I betcha she posts today about the “great victory in NY 23″.
@ African Moondog:
nope, this seems for real
@ jakee308:
Ok, you don’t understand.
Torahs are always being copied. If they get too old, they are retired and they are buried. The Yemini Torahs weren’t old.
It was the Jewish community in Yemen that was 2500 years old.
Not only were all their current Torahs identical, but their Torahs matched the one that Maimonides went by in the 12th Century in Egypt. They got their original copy roughly 1800 years before he was born.
The Yemini Jews’ Torahs are only 6 letters different from the ones in use today and the 6 letters aren’t significant.
There are a total of 304,805 letters in the Torah.
I know this is difficult to understand and I’m sorry if I haven’t explained it very well. You might want to read the PDF file again.
Well, I now have to take certain actions that I have contracted with a 3rd party to do in return for a negotiated quantity of hand engraved, intaglio printed caricatures (with accompanying production tracing information and verification technology) of our country’s forefathers.
@ rain of lead:
The bad news it this POS has been batting around for quite a while. The Hollywood elite movie and music industry are highly desirous of this. Their candidate is in the Whitehouse. Its going to be a very busy next 12 months.
@ Guggi:
Thanks!!
I know the page numbers I want to find, so I think this will do it!
I really appreciate your help with this!
@ African Moondog:
Yeah, when the dumb fucks say we should “move to the center” on gay marriage (by which they mean move to the extreme Left of the Extreme Left) we need to remind them of this and of California. If we could get the blacks who voted against gay marriage out there to pull the lever for a Republican the Democrats would be in deep kimchee.
So of course our good Democrat friends want us to move to the “Center”. That’ll let the Democrats tack Right on the issue (their position right now is virtually indistinguishable from the Republican’s) and garner votes that would normally be Republican.
This is not good, not good at all.
Israel on Highest Level of Alert Due to Fears of Terrorist Infiltration
How ironic! A movie based on a stone calendar created by a pretty warped blood thirsty society like the Mayans and the writer won’t blow up/destroy a Muslim landmark in the plot- because of PC thinking..or something… lol
And apparently this calendar is pretty ‘accurate’ for being so old
(hee hee and ahem ;0)- that some people actually “believe” in it -which is hilarious to me. 2012 marks the end of it all!
And-isn’t it interesting how humans can be smart and messed up at the same time?-this includes the ancient Mayans and modern folks-mostly Liberals and people who believe in “end of the world” things like Global Warming (that Earth was an Eden and Humans destroyed it)
… just my random thoughts whilst drinking my coffee. Don’t mind me.
Oh and, a high school classmate of mine, two years behind really, in my sister’s class- Edited Independence Day and Day After Tomorrow.
@ rain of lead:
So they wish to start a Gestapo type surveillance to counter internet piracy?BS – the LLL’s wish to control the individual. This is serious and needs a post of it’s own, (hint admins).
off topic, but I’d like to suggest something to help spread the Christmas spirit to people this year, and all it’ll cost is a stamp & a card.
If you’ve got leftover cards, or if you want to buy an extra box, send a card to a local VA hospital or nursing home, addressed to ‘Any Resident’ or ‘Any Patient’.
typicalwhitey wrote:
Too bad Obama & Screwball didn’t go and campaign in NY 23 — Hoffman would have won then, for sure. As it was, they apparently shipped the ACORNS up from NJ.
Hmmm. I believed that Christie would lose in NJ, mostly from having the election stolen from him, and I thought Hoffman would be an easy win. Shows you what kind of political prognosticator I am.
By the way, good morning, all!
Good morning blogmocracy compatriots, nice to see the American electorate change gears.
@ mfhorn:
Great idea!
@ m:
Yeah, they’ll try and spin it as a win for the One no matter what really happened. NY-23 would have been nice, the cherry on top of the sundae, but Va and NJ were the ice cream and chocolate syrup. I’ll bet there are some really unhappy campers in the White House and on the Hill today.
@ Iron Fist:
His team had just been thrashed in NJ and Va and he is concerned about a referendum in Maine? What is interesting is that Maine, from a cursory glance at their election returns, is one of the most liberal of states along with Massachusetts and Rhode Island, yet on fundamental issues, SoConism lies very close to the surface. Perhaps instead of bitching, he and his Svengali will try to work it out.
Jeesh, are voters still afraid to place blame where it is deserved because it may appear raaaaacist?
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/election-2009-virginia-jersey-exit-polls-obama-economy/story?id=8984551
Iron Fist wrote:
But according to Gibbs, Obama doesn’t watch election returns, so for him it never happened. (The Ostrich Strategy).
@ mfhorn:
I like that idea!
On my way out
Bear eats terrorists
Mooselimbs bring back cruxifiction
@ Gypsy:
Like when he didn’t notice 100,000 tea party patriots a few blocks from the house on 1600.
@ Eliana:
You are welcome.
@ BenZacharia:
A fitting end for these primitives!The idiots in the cave that is.
Somewhat OT, but the Left are completely terrified of Sarah. I think that is wonderful if she can stand up to all the slings and arrows that
fortuneDemocrats are going to throw at her…@ mfhorn:
Thank you cards, for the Thanksgiving holiday would be nice as well.
Iranians hold massive protest on 30th anniversary of embassy takeover.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/
@ Iron Fist:
IF, posted this around the time of the big move yesterday, did you see it? Interesting.
http://donttreadonmike.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/obamas-healthcare-could-be-used-to-ban-guns/
Good Morning. New Blog look, new URL…. new day!
2 fewer liberals holding office.
Still blows my mind that the Republican in NY spent her time trashing the Conservative, then dropped out and (true to her acorn-supporting self) backed the Democrat.
I guess the Republicans and Democrats can get together when they’re facing the big, mean enemy called “Conservatives”…. one of those “You can’t pick on my brother! Only I can pick on my brother!” moments.
THAT, more than the wins, should be the story of the day.