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Breaking News: Shooting at Ft. Hood Update – Shooter Identified

by Rodan ( 529 Comments › )
Filed under Blogmocracy at November 5th, 2009 - 12:57 pm

Gunmen have opened fire at Ft. Hood Military Base in Texas.

DEVELOPING: A mass shooting at Ft. Hood military base in Texas has left at least 7 dead and 12 wounded and one suspected gunman is on the loose, officials told Fox News.

A massive manhunt was under way for the suspect at large, confirmed. One person was in custody. The New York Post said that there were two shooters at the Army base massacre.

Read the rest.

No further information on the Gunmen has been released:

Update: The dead shooeter has been identified and no shock here, he is an Islamo-Imperialist. His name is Major Malik Nadal Hasan. Does anyone still question whether Islam is an enemy ideology?

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  1. GrandJunctionite
    1 | November 5, 2009 1:00 pm

    Word now of a 3rd shooter. A coordinated Jihadi attack maybe?

    http://www.centraltexasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=11451571

    Oh, somewhere near foist


  2. mfhorn
    2 | November 5, 2009 1:01 pm

    New calls for gun control to follow


  3. RIX
    3 | November 5, 2009 1:01 pm

    Bad news, FNC is reporting that the body count is greater than originaly reported.


  4. 4 | November 5, 2009 1:06 pm

    GrandJunctionite wrote:

    Word now of a 3rd shooter. A coordinated Jihadi attack maybe?
    http://www.centraltexasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=11451571
    Oh, somewhere near foist

    Sounds like Jihadi attack. Was in a Solder Processing area for recruits. When will we really find out if is one?


  5. GrandJunctionite
    5 | November 5, 2009 1:08 pm

    I cannot imagine how 2 or 3 gunman dressed in Army Cammo could attack unarmed people on a military base.

    I’ll give it the 24 hour rule but it smells like a terrorist attack.


  6. Nevergiveup
    6 | November 5, 2009 1:09 pm

    Marge45b wrote:

    GrandJunctionite wrote:

    Word now of a 3rd shooter. A coordinated Jihadi attack maybe?
    http://www.centraltexasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=11451571
    Oh, somewhere near foist

    Sounds like Jihadi attack. Was in a Solder Processing area for recruits. When will we really find out if is one?

    We will find out. The Processing Center was not for recruits from what I can tell but for soldiers getting ready to be deployed.


  7. Bumr50
    7 | November 5, 2009 1:09 pm

    @ GrandJunctionite:

    Not if you’re Shep Smith.


  8. lobo91
    8 | November 5, 2009 1:11 pm

    @ Marge45b:

    The Soldier Processing Center (aka SRC site) is not for “recruits.” Ft Hood doesn’t do Initial Entry Training.

    The SRC site is an administrative processing facility that Soldiers go through when their unit is heading overseas or upon return from overseas. They check your administrative paperwork, gie you required shots, etc.


  9. 9 | November 5, 2009 1:12 pm

    @ GrandJunctionite:

    Agreed, there is no identification on the attackers.


  10. Nevergiveup
    10 | November 5, 2009 1:13 pm

    The General on FOX is saying you can get onto Fort Hood WITHOUT Military ID? Why? I know on my Sub Base, no Military ID No entry unless you are with someone with ID?


  11. 11 | November 5, 2009 1:13 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Yeah, I stand corrected For those going overseas.


  12. Speranza
    12 | November 5, 2009 1:14 pm

    GrandJunctionite wrote:

    Word now of a 3rd shooter. A coordinated Jihadi attack maybe?
    http://www.centraltexasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=11451571
    Oh, somewhere near foist

    I thought that the jihad threat had been contained? /


  13. GrandJunctionite
    13 | November 5, 2009 1:14 pm

    Wearing uniforms has been a common AQ tactic in Pakistan and A-stan lately.

    Just an observation.


  14. Bumr50
    14 | November 5, 2009 1:15 pm

    Let’s hope Eric Holder has nothing to do with the prosecution.


  15. buzzsawmonkey
    15 | November 5, 2009 1:15 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I thought that the jihad threat had been contained?

    The Green Delphic Buttock said so.


  16. 16 | November 5, 2009 1:15 pm

    I just hope its not an RWE!


  17. lobo91
    17 | November 5, 2009 1:16 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Most Army facilities will issue you a visitor’s pass good for the day with a driver’s license and proof of insurance, if you give them a plausible reason for wanting in. For example, there are thousands of family housing units on post. Civilians are free to visit friends or family members who live there.


  18. calcajun
    18 | November 5, 2009 1:17 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    Yeah--disarm the military. Right.


  19. MightyConservative
    19 | November 5, 2009 1:18 pm

    Things like this aren’t supposed to happen in America. I’ll withhold from commenting further until the facts become known.


  20. calcajun
    20 | November 5, 2009 1:18 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Exactly. As long as you have a valid reason for being on base, they will let you on. And no, there’s no check of the car-- not since late 2001.


  21. Lost
    21 | November 5, 2009 1:19 pm

    Just turned on the radio here. They had a reporter on from Texas saying that there were more than 7 dead (hope not) and 20 wounded. Apparently a 3rd gunman is on the loose but they have him cornered.

    Horrible news first thing in the morning. :sad:

    Are all of our Texas members accounted for?

    Prayers for Texas and our Military.


  22. lobo91
    22 | November 5, 2009 1:19 pm

    Just as an observation, I wouldn’t pay too much attention to what elected officials or retired generals say about procedures for getting onto a military facility.

    They don’t go through the normal procedures.


  23. Nevergiveup
    23 | November 5, 2009 1:19 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Yeah the family housing at the Sub base is off base, so they don’t really have to worry about that.


  24. Lost
    24 | November 5, 2009 1:20 pm

    They also said there was some sort of graduation taking place.


  25. Nevergiveup
    25 | November 5, 2009 1:20 pm

    @ calcajun:
    They check cars sometimes


  26. mfhorn
    26 | November 5, 2009 1:21 pm

    How long before the left starts defending the attackers?


  27. bellamags
    27 | November 5, 2009 1:23 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    How long before the left starts defending the attackers?

    Or calling for all troops to come home now because they just can’t deal with the pressure or new gun control measures or ……


  28. vagabond trader
    28 | November 5, 2009 1:23 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Hubby could tell you some stories about those places.


  29. lobo91
    29 | November 5, 2009 1:23 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Family housing at Ft Hood is on main post. There’s also a big museum that’s open to the public.

    There are also thousands of civilian employees (who would have stickers on their cars), and prospective employees (who don’t). Add in pizza delivery drivers, UPS, FedEx, tow trucks, and a hundred other things, and there are an awful lot of non-military people roaming around.


  30. Lost
    30 | November 5, 2009 1:23 pm

    @ GrandJunctionite:
    This is attracting attention here in Australia as there are currently 5 men awaiting trial on charges of organising a terror attack on an army base in Sydney,


  31. Nevergiveup
    31 | November 5, 2009 1:25 pm

    @ lobo91:
    My car broke down on the Sub base a few months ago and I had to meet the Tow Truck at the gate and escort him on to get my car.


  32. 32 | November 5, 2009 1:26 pm

    I hope they have all three of the gunmen in custody.


  33. Silhouette
    33 | November 5, 2009 1:28 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    How long before the left starts defending the attackers?

    I was following on the chatroom for the Fox Station down there.

    As far as I can tell, there is not one single accusation that has NOT been made so far.


  34. calcajun
    34 | November 5, 2009 1:28 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Well, being a middle-aged white guy, they never have checked mine except for insurance.


  35. Nevergiveup
    35 | November 5, 2009 1:28 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    I hope they have all three of the gunmen in custody.

    Well I hope they bury them after they question them. Oh after they bury them they can try them if they want to.


  36. MightyConservative
    36 | November 5, 2009 1:28 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    … or blaming the troops themselves.


  37. Truck Monkey
    37 | November 5, 2009 1:29 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    I hope they have all three of the gunmen in their gunsights custody.

    FTFY


  38. calcajun
    38 | November 5, 2009 1:29 pm

    Bad news-- CNN is saying 9 killed so far.

    It is getting worse.


  39. Nevergiveup
    39 | November 5, 2009 1:29 pm

    @ calcajun:
    What base do you routinely go onto?


  40. lobo91
    40 | November 5, 2009 1:30 pm

    It honestly wouldn’t be that hard for a small number of people to get weapons onto a place like Ft Hood. Pizza Hut and Dominoes hire new delivery drivers all the time. As long as you don’t have a criminal record, all you’d have to do is get one of those jobs, and they’ll issue you a registration sticker. Once you have that, you can pretty much come and go as you wish, without being searched.

    And contrary to what you might think, the public areas of a military installation are basically big “gun free zones.” While people who live on post are allowed to keep personal weapons in their quarters, concealed carry permits are not valid on post.


  41. buzzsawmonkey
    41 | November 5, 2009 1:31 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    I hope they have all three of the gunmen in custody.

    Gunpersons, please. We must not exclude the possibility of the fair sex being capable of murder, lest we be decried as sexist.


  42. calcajun
    42 | November 5, 2009 1:31 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I’m in San Diego. Take your pick.


  43. 43 | November 5, 2009 1:32 pm

    Death toll rises to 9. Prayers to Family and Friends.


  44. 44 | November 5, 2009 1:32 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Thats what I had heard.
    The military personel, besides the MP’s don’t carry weapons.
    So that is true?


  45. 45 | November 5, 2009 1:32 pm

    I hope they get the fucker(s).


  46. mfhorn
    46 | November 5, 2009 1:32 pm

    @ Silhouette:

    Besides racists & ‘tea baggers’, who do they blame?

    Chuckles will blame AGW deniers and anyone who doesn’t fully follow Darwinian evolution, plus racists.


  47. GrandJunctionite
    47 | November 5, 2009 1:32 pm

    @ MightyConservative:

    Local affilliate reports one of the gunmen was wearing a uniform with a major’s insignia.


  48. lobo91
    48 | November 5, 2009 1:33 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Somewhere like Ft Hood, I would expect a lot of tow trucks to have registration stickers, just like pizza delivery drivers.


  49. bellamags
    49 | November 5, 2009 1:33 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    did you smell the puns?


  50. Nevergiveup
    50 | November 5, 2009 1:33 pm

    @ typicalwhitey:
    Yes


  51. mfhorn
    51 | November 5, 2009 1:34 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Gunbeings. Person might give the impression of a male, since it’s got the word ‘son’ in it.


  52. Nevergiveup
    52 | November 5, 2009 1:35 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Yeah that is what I would have thought also up in New London especially since it was USAA doing the towing, but I still had to meet him at the Gate. No big deal.


  53. GrandJunctionite
    53 | November 5, 2009 1:35 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Thats what I had heard.
    The military personel, besides the MP’s don’t carry weapons.
    So that is true?

    That all depends on what you’re doing that day. If you are in a training area you would. But as a rule, no. Military folks don’t carry weapons around base. Definately not around Mainside.
    And if you did have your weapon, you would not have ammo.


  54. Silhouette
    54 | November 5, 2009 1:35 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    Bush, Obama, Cheney, Hillary, Mexicans, PTSD, Muslims, America for attacking other countries, guns, soldiers who didn’t want to go to Iran, Jews, Limbaugh, Christians, Guy Fawkes.

    I’m sure I missed a few.


  55. 55 | November 5, 2009 1:36 pm

    @ typicalwhitey:

    It wasn’t true when I visited Ft. Bragg for Reaganites retirement party. Armed checkpoints in multiple places, and you had to have a photo ID to get through the checkpoints. That wouldn’t stop someone with inside help, of course, but I think it’d stop them dead (quite litterally) without it.

    Remember that Mohammedan soldier that fragged those people in Iraq/kuwait? That’s what this puts me in mind of. Or, of course, the Ft. Dix Six.


  56. buzzsawmonkey
    56 | November 5, 2009 1:36 pm

    @ bellamags:

    Who puns? What puns? Where puns?


  57. lobo91
    57 | November 5, 2009 1:37 pm

    @ typicalwhitey:

    Quite true.

    All my cars have Ft Carson stickers, so I can get on and off post easily, and most of my personal weapons are registered there, because I use the personal weapons range on occasion.

    When I go there to shoot, I have to lock my weapons and ammo in the trunk, even though I have a Colorado CCW permit.


  58. calcajun
    58 | November 5, 2009 1:37 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Gunfolks?
    Gunhandlers?
    Guncarriers?
    Gender-neutral gun wielders?

    “Gun” could be sexist, too, owing to the obvious (to some) phallic connotations. “Firearm” could be offensive to burn victims and the permanently disarmed. How about “boom-stick”?


  59. 59 | November 5, 2009 1:38 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Ack. I misread. They were probably MPs at the checkpoints, but everything else stands. It wouldn’t be impossible to infiltrate a military base, but it would be hard.


  60. calcajun
    60 | November 5, 2009 1:38 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Last thread. We were horsing around.


  61. Silhouette
    61 | November 5, 2009 1:39 pm

    Obama again, America for being a “sick” country, Bush again, terrorists, not terrorists, that soldiers are paid at all thus they all are mercenaries…


  62. mfhorn
    62 | November 5, 2009 1:39 pm

    @ Silhouette:

    Fun.

    Some on that list are, IMHO, much more likely than others.


  63. RIX
    63 | November 5, 2009 1:39 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ Silhouette:
    Besides racists & ‘tea baggers’, who do they blame?
    Chuckles will blame AGW deniers and anyone who doesn’t fully follow Darwinian evolution, plus racists.

    Come on, we all know that Rush said something on the air that caused that R.S McCain guy to do it. Case closed.


  64. Math Teacher
    64 | November 5, 2009 1:39 pm

    There is a live news report from a local station. They have been talking to a reporter who is outside the base.
    http://www.centraltexasnow.com/


  65. bellamags
    65 | November 5, 2009 1:39 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    On the last thread. Horsey stuff. I thought you would materialize for sure.


  66. chickadee
    66 | November 5, 2009 1:40 pm

    Hannity reported one 40 yr.old male in custody. No name.


  67. calcajun
    67 | November 5, 2009 1:40 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    I still think it would be a good come back on MSNBC to one of the info-babes, “I thought you wanted a teabagger to get in your face?”


  68. mfhorn
    68 | November 5, 2009 1:40 pm

    @ calcajun:

    No, that’d be construed as being insensitive to Native Americans.

    Weapon?


  69. Truck Monkey
    69 | November 5, 2009 1:40 pm

    calcajun wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Gunfolks?
    Gunhandlers?
    Guncarriers?
    Gender-neutral gun wielders?
    “Gun” could be sexist, too, owing to the obvious (to some) phallic connotations. “Firearm” could be offensive to burn victims and the permanently disarmed. How about “boom-stick”?

    Stick has a phallic connotation as well.


  70. bluliner10
    70 | November 5, 2009 1:40 pm

    To my Army brothers, especially SGM91 my heart goes out to you guys today. This is bad. Not sure what to say on my opinion, I have only been awake for a half hour, only that Wolf Blitzer is an idiot.


  71. Silhouette
    71 | November 5, 2009 1:41 pm

    calcajun wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Gunfolks?
    Gunhandlers?
    Guncarriers?
    Gender-neutral gun wielders?
    “Gun” could be sexist, too, owing to the obvious (to some) phallic connotations. “Firearm” could be offensive to burn victims and the permanently disarmed. How about “boom-stick”?

    Rooty-Tooty Aim and Shooty.


  72. calcajun
    72 | November 5, 2009 1:42 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    To my Army brothers, especially SGM91 my heart goes out to you guys today. This is bad. Not sure what to say on my opinion, I have only been awake for a half hour, only that Wolf Blitzer is an idiot.

    You saw that episode of “Celebrity Jeopardy” too?


  73. GrandJunctionite
    73 | November 5, 2009 1:43 pm

    Silhouette wrote:

    @ mfhorn:
    Bush, Obama, Cheney, Hillary, Mexicans, PTSD, Muslims, America for attacking other countries, guns, soldiers who didn’t want to go to Iran, Jews, Limbaugh, Christians, Guy Fawkes.
    I’m sure I missed a few.

    194 Teh Flowah
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 1:23:14pm replyquote 0downupreport

    No. I have a bad feeling about this. This feels to me like soldier on soldier. I hope to God I’m wrong, but I’m not going to be the least bit surprised if it turns out to be a couple of tea-partiers or RonPaul nuts..

    Looks like you did miss a few.

    ///


  74. calcajun
    74 | November 5, 2009 1:43 pm

    Silhouette wrote:

    Rooty-Tooty Aim and Shooty.

    Hmm. A tad suggestive.


  75. mfhorn
    75 | November 5, 2009 1:43 pm

    @ Silhouette:

    Political commentator/author/columnist Tammy Bruce calls her ‘weapon’ ‘Snuffy’.


  76. Silhouette
    76 | November 5, 2009 1:44 pm

    False flag gov operation, mutiny, peace activists


  77. calcajun
    77 | November 5, 2009 1:44 pm

    @ Truck Monkey:
    How about “shoot thingy”? Non-descript, yet friendly in a juvenile sense.


  78. calcajun
    78 | November 5, 2009 1:45 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ Silhouette:
    Political commentator/author/columnist Tammy Bruce calls her ‘weapon’ ‘Snuffy’.

    Yes, but what does she call her firearm?/


  79. NoThreat2U
    79 | November 5, 2009 1:46 pm

    It’s probably retaliation for the FBI “murdering” that imam up north.


  80. bluliner10
    80 | November 5, 2009 1:46 pm

    @ calcajun:
    Armed Forces Network aka AFN has a policy of trying to show “all sides”, so I get one hour of the “situation room”…Wolf and his crew are incredibly bad…General Clark and LtGen Honofre have been guest speakers to speak on their knowledge and neither of them said anything of value, the other reporters and all commentary has been absolute crap.


  81. MikalM
    82 | November 5, 2009 1:47 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    My weapons’ names:

    M-1 Carbine: “War Baby”
    Chinese SKS: “Red Devil”
    Ruger 10/22: “Deuce-Deuce”
    Browning Hi-Power: “Black-Nine”


  82. Truck Monkey
    83 | November 5, 2009 1:48 pm

    calcajun wrote:

    @ Truck Monkey:
    How about “shoot thingy”? Non-descript, yet friendly in a juvenile sense.

    Thingy brings me right back to Phallic-land. How about ‘neutralizer’?


  83. Silhouette
    84 | November 5, 2009 1:48 pm

    LOL. Poster on other site quoted newscaster saying the shooters were using F-16s, then corrected to M-16s.

    Eh, honest mistake.


  84. Nevergiveup
    85 | November 5, 2009 1:49 pm

    Live Presser on FOX now


  85. calcajun
    86 | November 5, 2009 1:50 pm

    @ Truck Monkey:
    Yeah-- that works. “terminator” is too cliched. “eliminator” sounds like a laxative.


  86. davehm
    87 | November 5, 2009 1:50 pm

    Obama is supposed to address the nation on this.
    (body count climb 9 dead)

    new headline: “OBAMA TO CAPITALIZE ON SHOOTING”
    by line: “never let a good crises go to waste policy invoked”


  87. 88 | November 5, 2009 1:50 pm

    @ GrandJunctionite:
    On Fox they are saying a “loner type,” i.e. RWE?


  88. Nevergiveup
    89 | November 5, 2009 1:50 pm

    Silhouette wrote:

    LOL. Poster on other site quoted newscaster saying the shooters were using F-16s, then corrected to M-16s.

    Eh, honest mistake.

    Well maybe the Air Force was firing on the Army?


  89. bluliner10
    90 | November 5, 2009 1:51 pm

    @ bluliner10:
    Wow, now Barbara Starr the “Pentagon beat reporter” is indicating that because there were 2 shooters, this must be some type of conspiracy because they must have communicated and coordinated their acts…AFN first get rid of Letterman, next get rid of CNN…


  90. Silhouette
    91 | November 5, 2009 1:51 pm

    Let’s follow the leftist model in naming a gun. All their bills and acts have names like fairness, freedom, reform, affirmative, peace, rainbows, and kittens.

    A Friendship And Diplomacy Facilitator?


  91. Nevergiveup
    92 | November 5, 2009 1:51 pm

    Marge45b wrote:

    @ GrandJunctionite:
    On Fox they are saying a “loner type,” i.e. RWE?

    Ace has a report it was an “Officer”?


  92. calcajun
    93 | November 5, 2009 1:51 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Golly-- the Brits have fought, what, three wars in the ‘Stan. 0 and 3 aren’t they?


  93. Elrond Hubbard
    94 | November 5, 2009 1:51 pm

    News now says nine dead, thirty wounded, If there are three gun men involved it’s nothing but terrorism, no matter who is pulling the triggers. It’s going to be a while before the complete news emerges.


  94. Nevergiveup
    95 | November 5, 2009 1:52 pm

    12 dead 31 wounded


  95. mfhorn
    96 | November 5, 2009 1:52 pm

    @ calcajun:

    Firearm/weapon/shoot thingy is ‘snuffy’
    Haven’t learned the other weapon’s name. Not sure she’ll share, either.


  96. jeppo
    97 | November 5, 2009 1:52 pm

    12 dead including one gunman.


  97. Silhouette
    98 | November 5, 2009 1:52 pm

    12 dead, 31 wounded


  98. calcajun
    99 | November 5, 2009 1:52 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Well maybe the Air Force was firing on the Army?

    Lord knows they want to.


  99. Nevergiveup
    100 | November 5, 2009 1:53 pm

    the shooter dead and 2 other soldiers aprehended and may have been involved


  100. vagabond trader
    101 | November 5, 2009 1:53 pm

    Dear G-d, the shooters are US soldiers.


  101. Nevergiveup
    102 | November 5, 2009 1:54 pm

    Motive unkown


  102. Nevergiveup
    103 | November 5, 2009 1:54 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Dear G-d, the shooters are US soldiers.

    Only one confirmed shooter, the other 2 are only suspects


  103. RIX
    104 | November 5, 2009 1:54 pm

    Army spokesman is saying 12 dead & 34 wounded.
    He is saying that the three suspects & he said three are active duty soldiers.


  104. Truck Monkey
    105 | November 5, 2009 1:55 pm

    Silhouette wrote:

    Let’s follow the leftist model in naming a gun. All their bills and acts have names like fairness, freedom, reform, affirmative, peace, rainbows, and kittens.
    A Friendship And Diplomacy Facilitator?

    I am so stealing that.


  105. jeppo
    106 | November 5, 2009 1:55 pm

    Two shooters were soldiers.


  106. Nevergiveup
    107 | November 5, 2009 1:56 pm

    jeppo wrote:

    Two shooters were soldiers.

    One Shooter, and 2 other possible suspects


  107. davehm
    108 | November 5, 2009 1:57 pm

    Names and rank please and how about some background info.


  108. Nevergiveup
    109 | November 5, 2009 1:58 pm

    Latest: MSNBC Says Captured Shooter Is Army Major With “Arabic Sounding Name”. 12 Dead , 31 Wounded. 1 Shooter Dead, 2 In Custody…All US Soldiers
    —DrewM.


    I bet he ain’t Jewish


  109. davehm
    110 | November 5, 2009 1:58 pm

    The president is going to make a statement, I hope he doesn’t use any personal pronouns.


  110. calcajun
    111 | November 5, 2009 1:59 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    “Strappy”? (oh dear Lord, I know I’m gonna burn for that one!)


  111. MightyConservative
    112 | November 5, 2009 1:59 pm

    Horrible that our own troops would do that. That’s the last thing I would expect.


  112. davehm
    113 | November 5, 2009 2:00 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Shall we play “guess that religion?”


  113. 114 | November 5, 2009 2:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ typicalwhitey:
    It wasn’t true when I visited Ft. Bragg for Reaganites retirement party. Armed checkpoints in multiple places, and you had to have a photo ID to get through the checkpoints. That wouldn’t stop someone with inside help, of course, but I think it’d stop them dead (quite litterally) without it.
    Remember that Mohammedan soldier that fragged those people in Iraq/kuwait? That’s what this puts me in mind of. Or, of course, the Ft. Dix Six.

    yeah I had forgotten about that soldier who had rolled the grenade in the tent over there.


  114. Nevergiveup
    115 | November 5, 2009 2:00 pm

    davehm wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Shall we play “guess that religion?”

    I report you decide


  115. Nevergiveup
    116 | November 5, 2009 2:01 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ typicalwhitey:
    It wasn’t true when I visited Ft. Bragg for Reaganites retirement party. Armed checkpoints in multiple places, and you had to have a photo ID to get through the checkpoints. That wouldn’t stop someone with inside help, of course, but I think it’d stop them dead (quite litterally) without it.
    Remember that Mohammedan soldier that fragged those people in Iraq/kuwait? That’s what this puts me in mind of. Or, of course, the Ft. Dix Six.

    yeah I had forgotten about that soldier who had rolled the grenade in the tent over there.

    And we know where he prayed, don’t we


  116. calcajun
    117 | November 5, 2009 2:01 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Passed over twice and disgruntled? Let’s see.


  117. davehm
    118 | November 5, 2009 2:02 pm

    @ MightyConservative:

    It’s happened before.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81898,00.html


  118. Truck Monkey
    119 | November 5, 2009 2:02 pm

    davehm wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Shall we play “guess that religion?”

    Quaker? Animist?


  119. lobo91
    120 | November 5, 2009 2:02 pm

    @ MightyConservative:

    It’s not unheard of, though.

    An incident at Ft Bragg back in 1995 comes to mind. A Staff Sergeant opened fire on a PT formation one morning, kiling one and wounding 20 others.


  120. Bumr50
    121 | November 5, 2009 2:03 pm

    WTF is Obama talking about?


  121. Nevergiveup
    122 | November 5, 2009 2:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ MightyConservative:

    It’s not unheard of, though.

    An incident at Ft Bragg back in 1995 comes to mind. A Staff Sergeant opened fire on a PT formation one morning, kiling one and wounding 20 others.

    That’s one way to get out of PT I guess?


  122. 123 | November 5, 2009 2:04 pm

    General at briefing said shooter one (only one confirmed)had handguns and he is KIA.


  123. davehm
    124 | November 5, 2009 2:05 pm

    According to the FBI this wasn’t an act of terrorism, I’m glad they figured this out so quickly./


  124. Bumr50
    125 | November 5, 2009 2:05 pm

    You need to talk about dead US soldiers asshole.

    If they’re Muslim, I’d better hear it.


  125. Lost
    126 | November 5, 2009 2:05 pm

    Here they are reporting over 31 dead.


  126. Nevergiveup
    127 | November 5, 2009 2:06 pm

    davehm wrote:

    According to the FBI this wasn’t an act of terrorism, I’m glad they figured this out so quickly./

    Yeah well I am not so sure about that.


  127. jas
    128 | November 5, 2009 2:06 pm

    Jeez…did he think this was a political rally?! The man has no clue whatsoever.


  128. Truck Monkey
    129 | November 5, 2009 2:06 pm

    davehm wrote:

    According to the FBI this wasn’t an act of terrorism, I’m glad they figured this out so quickly./

    And I am sure that it had nothing to do with the religion of pieces.


  129. 130 | November 5, 2009 2:06 pm

    FBI issued that report before they left their Office. As of the live briefing a few minutes ago their status was en-route! Fuckheads.


  130. Nevergiveup
    131 | November 5, 2009 2:06 pm

    Lost wrote:

    Here they are reporting over 31 dead.

    I heard 31-34 injured. Where did you hear 31 killed?


  131. mfhorn
    132 | November 5, 2009 2:07 pm

    @ davehm:

    Seething over something, if it’s as it sounds.


  132. davehm
    133 | November 5, 2009 2:07 pm

    @ Truck Monkey:

    Amish? maybe on of those Tibetan monks.


  133. calcajun
    134 | November 5, 2009 2:08 pm

    @ Lost:
    Huh? CNN is at 11 dead.


  134. lobo91
    135 | November 5, 2009 2:08 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    For a long time. He was originally sentenced to death, but the sentence was later commuted to life.


  135. calcajun
    136 | November 5, 2009 2:08 pm

    davehm wrote:

    @ Truck Monkey:
    Amish? maybe on of those Tibetan monks.

    Rastafarians?


  136. Bumr50
    137 | November 5, 2009 2:09 pm

    @ AZRedneck:

    They must already know that he has an Islamic name.


  137. mfhorn
    138 | November 5, 2009 2:09 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Couldn’t be. It’s the Religion of Peace & Tolerance, you know.


  138. davehm
    139 | November 5, 2009 2:09 pm

    @ Truck Monkey:

    RELIGION OF PIECES!!!????? YOU RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST!/


  139. RIX
    140 | November 5, 2009 2:10 pm

    davehm wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Shall we play “guess that religion?”

    One of the Fox newsies speculated that the three enlisted & became a sleeper cell. Then he immediately said that he was not speculating.


  140. Silhouette
    141 | November 5, 2009 2:10 pm

    Sometimes people confuse ‘casualties’ which includes dead and wounded, with killed. Someone could have heard 31 casualties and reported 31 killed.


  141. Lost
    142 | November 5, 2009 2:10 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    They are reporting 31 dead and @ least 31 wounded. Listening to 3AW radio, Melbourne, Australia. I don’t know where they are getting their numbers from. It is possible that someone made a boo-boo and wrote 31 under dead instead of wounded.


  142. davehm
    143 | November 5, 2009 2:11 pm

    @ calcajun:

    That’s it…those rastafarians I think even some of them post here.


  143. Lost
    144 | November 5, 2009 2:11 pm

    Just changed to 12 dead and 31 wounded.

    Mistake, Thank G-D.


  144. Truck Monkey
    145 | November 5, 2009 2:12 pm

    davehm wrote:

    @ Truck Monkey:
    RELIGION OF PIECES!!!????? YOU RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST!/

    I didn’t realize our Islamsicks are a race. When did that happen?
    //


  145. Nevergiveup
    146 | November 5, 2009 2:12 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Did the guy who threw the granade at the 101st Officers get the death penalty?


  146. lobo91
    147 | November 5, 2009 2:12 pm

    @ Lost:

    The II Corps CG said 12 dead and 31 wounded in his press conference.


  147. mfhorn
    148 | November 5, 2009 2:12 pm

    calcajun wrote:

    davehm wrote:
    @ Truck Monkey:
    Amish? maybe on of those Tibetan monks.
    Rastafarians?

    Krishnas

    No, it’s Mother Teresa’s nuns.


  148. coldwarrior
    149 | November 5, 2009 2:13 pm

    just heard about it on the way home…no details, havent read above

    i will put money on newly converted american muslims.

    islam delenda est.

    bbl


  149. lobo91
    150 | November 5, 2009 2:13 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That should be III Corps.

    Stupid keyboard.


  150. Nevergiveup
    151 | November 5, 2009 2:13 pm

    ABC reports Major Malik Hassan, from Virgina, a convert to Islam

    Phew!
    Posted by: Quaker oats man at November 05, 2009 05:11 PM (sey23)


  151. Lost
    152 | November 5, 2009 2:14 pm

    @ lobo91:
    See my 144.


  152. RIX
    153 | November 5, 2009 2:14 pm

    jas wrote:

    Jeez…did he think this was a political rally?! The man has no clue whatsoever.

    Obama has the sensitivity of a banana spider. His sympathy is reserved for himself.


  153. Nevergiveup
    154 | November 5, 2009 2:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    just heard about it on the way home…no details, havent read above

    i will put money on newly converted american muslims.

    islam delenda est.

    bbl

    Bingo- you win!


  154. Bumr50
    155 | November 5, 2009 2:15 pm

    I put the local news on because I can’t take anymore Shep Smith.

    Now my local news is saying that all suspects are US soldiers.

    I wonder how this is going to be spun.


  155. taxfreekiller
    156 | November 5, 2009 2:15 pm

    Sigon SVN
    For 4 years an Aid to the Sec. of Defence of the Govt. of South Viet Nam was sending the North Viet headqts the insert lat. / lon. of all the S.O.G. units , as well as the time, the number to be put in.

    My Koreans would not allow us to insert at the planed place ever.
    We lied every dam time. On the time, the number, the lat/lon.
    Not ambushed ever.

    We must take our country back from the current leadership.
    Not only are they spending us into the poor house, taxing us out of our homes,,, they are getting our own dam men killed just so they
    can

    f’n feel good about who gets in the dam Army.

    f’m every last one of them.

    http://www.blowoutcongress.com


  156. lobo91
    157 | November 5, 2009 2:15 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Yes, he did.

    Still awaiting appeal.


  157. ms.p.henry
    158 | November 5, 2009 2:16 pm

    Sean Hannity just announced the name of one of the shooters and it didn’t sound Amish…it’s a muslim name.


  158. 159 | November 5, 2009 2:16 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ GrandJunctionite:
    Not if you’re Shep Smith.

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ GrandJunctionite:
    Not if you’re Shep Smith.

    First President Wee puts his offensive face on air then Shep Smith. How much can one stomach? Can’t wait to see the face of the so called soldier. Reminds me of the muslim slime that rolled a grenade into an officers’ tent.


  159. Truck Monkey
    160 | November 5, 2009 2:16 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    ABC reports Major Malik Hassan, from Virgina, a convert to Islam
    Phew!
    Posted by: Quaker oats man at November 05, 2009 05:11 PM (sey23)

    Let’s hope that this is the one that the Marines have already sent to hell.


  160. MightyConservative
  161. calcajun
    162 | November 5, 2009 2:17 pm

    The loonies who followed Lord Summerisle in “The Wicker Man” would be preferable allies on the battlefield.


  162. Bumr50
    163 | November 5, 2009 2:17 pm

    @ RIX:

    He couldn’t even stop kissing the ass of the Sioux nation or whatever he was doing to remark on the deaths of soldiers under his command.

    Unfit leader.


  163. MightyConservative
    164 | November 5, 2009 2:17 pm

    http://drudgereport.com/

    Shooter: Major Malik Nadal Hasan…


  164. davehm
    165 | November 5, 2009 2:18 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Hannity is talking about that now, the guy is a Major? position of leadership? I wonder what kind of security clearance he has.


  165. lobo91
    166 | November 5, 2009 2:18 pm

    @ Truck Monkey:

    He was reportedly killed by one of the post’s civilian police officers.


  166. calcajun
    167 | November 5, 2009 2:19 pm

    @ MightyConservative:
    Irish?
    Scot?
    Norwegian?
    Hmm.


  167. Nevergiveup
    168 | November 5, 2009 2:20 pm

    MightyConservative wrote:

    http://drudgereport.com/

    Shooter: Major Malik Nadal Hasan…

    UnFuckenBeliveable. When are we gonna freaken learn


  168. davehm
    169 | November 5, 2009 2:20 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Good job CW…I thought for sure it was the Amish/


  169. GrandJunctionite
    170 | November 5, 2009 2:20 pm

    ABC says primary FT. Hood shooter was Army Major Malik Nadal Hassan

    What a suprise.


  170. jas
    171 | November 5, 2009 2:20 pm

    @ RIX:

    Honestly, applause, followed by “shout-outs” to the Dept of Interior people. If he can’t handle the gravity of this situation, G_d forbid this nation is ever faced with a 9/11 situation under his administration.


  171. MightyConservative
    172 | November 5, 2009 2:20 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    ABC reports Major Malik Hassan, from Virgina, a convert to Islam

    a convert to Islam
    a convert to Islam
    a convert to Islam

    You don’t say. Well now.


  172. mfhorn
    173 | November 5, 2009 2:20 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Any bets on how many questions get asked of the Imam at his local mosque?


  173. Nevergiveup
    174 | November 5, 2009 2:20 pm

    Shooter: Major Malik Nadal Hasan…

    A notorious name of Irish or German extraction.


  174. RIX
    175 | November 5, 2009 2:21 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    I wonder how this is going to be spun.

    I wonder if Johnson will spin this as vindication on his hysteriacal defense of the Homeland Security report, identifying veterans at risk as recruits for extremist right wing groups.
    Of course if they are RoPers he will need another spin.


  175. buzzsawmonkey
    176 | November 5, 2009 2:21 pm

    I’m sure he was a moderate.


  176. 177 | November 5, 2009 2:21 pm

    Such an outbreak inspired by this pos President Wee with his clear contempt for the military. Next will be a school crisis by these warm and fuzzy muslim ghouls. DEPORT all these sons******


  177. MightyConservative
    178 | November 5, 2009 2:22 pm

    I’m going to go out on a limb here, and propose that this might, just might, have been sudden jihad syndrome.


  178. calcajun
    179 | November 5, 2009 2:22 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Any bets on how many questions get asked of the Imam at his local mosque?

    I hate to say this, but it’s probably his own chaplin there on the base.


  179. Nevergiveup
    180 | November 5, 2009 2:22 pm

    And the News assholes are still saying it is not Terrorism? Yeah just like on 9/11 when you assholes didn’t think it was terrorism till after the 4th plane????????


  180. 181 | November 5, 2009 2:23 pm

    Some stupid idiot woman is saying this might be a “lone” actor. IDIOT lone means one you fool.


  181. bluliner10
    182 | November 5, 2009 2:23 pm

    Major Malik Nadal Hasan but we’re not at war with islam, but islam is certainly at war with us.


  182. mfhorn
    183 | November 5, 2009 2:23 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Worthy of a medal


  183. Nevergiveup
    184 | November 5, 2009 2:24 pm

    I got to be honest. I would not turn my back on any muslim with a gun


  184. jeppo
    185 | November 5, 2009 2:24 pm

    The ABC report doesn’t say anything about Malik Hasan being a convert. Obviously he’s a Muslim, but a convert?

    http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938


  185. GrandJunctionite
    186 | November 5, 2009 2:24 pm

    @ davehm:

    All commisioned officers, as a rule, have a TS clearence.

    I am more curious about what his MOS was.


  186. mfhorn
    187 | November 5, 2009 2:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    I wonder how this is going to be spun.
    I wonder if Johnson will spin this as vindication on his hysteriacal defense of the Homeland Security report, identifying veterans at risk as recruits for extremist right wing groups.
    Of course if they are RoPers he will need another spin.

    I’m sure it will. Must prepare brain bleach for a trip to the land of the loons to see.


  187. Carolina Girl
    188 | November 5, 2009 2:25 pm

    @ davehm:

    The first person pronoun will be used at least 20 times tonight. Because he will, of course, make it ALL about him.


  188. davehm
    189 | November 5, 2009 2:25 pm

    new headline “SCORES DEAD, DOZENS WOUNDED AT THE HANDS OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS”


  189. 190 | November 5, 2009 2:26 pm

    davehm wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Hannity is talking about that now, the guy is a Major? position of leadership? I wonder what kind of security clearance he has.

    If he is a major. Just doubles the proof that muslim mental illness can remain hidden for only so long. (madder than hell)


  190. RIX
    191 | November 5, 2009 2:26 pm

    GrandJunctionite wrote:

    ABC says primary FT. Hood shooter was Army Major Malik Nadal Hassan
    What a suprise.

    That fother mucker. A freaking Roper! Some Imbecile at LGF asserted the other night that “you would be hard pressed to find a more patriotic group than Muslim Americans.”
    Political Correctness is getting people killed.


  191. 4_Sticks
    192 | November 5, 2009 2:26 pm

    My buddy and his wife both work there, both civilians. He just retired from the Navy. They live a mile from the gate. I just put a call into him, no answer. Its only 4:30 there I believe. Hopefully they just haven’t got home from work yet. This is tense. G_d be with them all.


  192. Nevergiveup
    193 | November 5, 2009 2:26 pm

    GrandJunctionite wrote:

    @ davehm:

    All commisioned officers, as a rule, have a TS clearence.

    I am more curious about what his MOS was.

    No a secret clearence. Top secret is only given now a days on a need to have basis.


  193. davehm
    194 | November 5, 2009 2:27 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    I me mine my my my I I I worship me now!/


  194. RickZ
    195 | November 5, 2009 2:28 pm

    davehm wrote:

    According to the FBI this wasn’t an act of terrorism, I’m glad they figured this out so quickly./

    Sudden Jihad Syndrome is never terrorism, that’s a given from the Feebies.

    Seems a little too coordinated for the lone wolf/disgruntled soldier story. Three shooters, one an office with the name Major Malik Nadal Hasan; he’s dead.


  195. 196 | November 5, 2009 2:28 pm

    @ MightyConservative:
    Maybe not even sudden, try premeditated jihad syndrome.


  196. Nevergiveup
    197 | November 5, 2009 2:29 pm

    579 Gus 802
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:28:47pm
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    Here we go.

    This MSNBC report has someone saying “one of them has an Arabic sounding name” and the kooks come out of the woodwork.

    Well it seems to be true asshole


  197. 198 | November 5, 2009 2:29 pm

    Do you think President Wee will bring the remaining live Mussie to the whitehouse for a beer?


  198. bluliner10
    199 | November 5, 2009 2:30 pm

    @ GrandJunctionite:

    No, they have a Secret clearance, if required they can apply for a TS clearance.


  199. lobo91
    200 | November 5, 2009 2:30 pm

    @ GrandJunctionite:

    Not necessarily.

    Commissioned officers are required to be US citizens, and have a Secret clearance. There is no general requirement for officers to have a TS.


  200. davehm
    201 | November 5, 2009 2:30 pm

    MSM diversion #1 “Area familiar with this kind of violence, Liddy’s cafe back in 1991 23 were killed in shooting”

    See? It’s not Islam it’s the location.


  201. RIX
    202 | November 5, 2009 2:30 pm

    384 oldegeezr
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 1:53:11pm replyquote -4downupreport

    re: #215 oldegeezr

    PTSD and PTSS can drive troopers totally “nuts” ask one who knows…!
    Send a soldier back four or five times too do the “guvmints dirty werk” yeh git one sorry,paranoid, mfker…!

    Here is the take of one intellectuals over at landfill.


  202. mfhorn
    203 | November 5, 2009 2:31 pm

    471 KathyP
    11/05/2009 2:06:19 pm PST -14downupreport

    WTF is this jerk 0bama talking about some damned conference! Good grief, who elected this jerk? Don’t answer that. He’s got lousy timing. 12 dead and countless wounded and he’s talking conferences and thanks. Good grief.

    KathyP may be joining us soon


  203. Jen06
    204 | November 5, 2009 2:31 pm

    I can’t believe how stupid Shep sounds right now -- he doesn’t seem to have ANY information


  204. vagabond trader
    205 | November 5, 2009 2:32 pm

    Fifth column in our military. Nice.


  205. Bumr50
    206 | November 5, 2009 2:32 pm

    Hannity is no longer on the air here.

    Unfuckingbelievable.


  206. 207 | November 5, 2009 2:32 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    579 Gus 802
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    Here we go.
    This MSNBC report has someone saying “one of them has an Arabic

    sounding name” and the kooks come out of the woodwork.

    Hey Gus you midget man the only kooks are over there covered in dumb a**** green slime with you.

    Well it seems to be true asshole


  207. Nevergiveup
    208 | November 5, 2009 2:32 pm

    595 Charles
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:31:05pm
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    Whatever the guy’s name is — and that could be an African American name, btw — it’s highly unlikely he could have become a major if he were any kind of radical Islamist.

    What an asshole


  208. Jen06
    209 | November 5, 2009 2:32 pm

    Bambi embarrassed himself with his speech


  209. mfhorn
    210 | November 5, 2009 2:32 pm

    Suggestion: If you’re able- give blood, especially if you’re in TX


  210. MightyConservative
    211 | November 5, 2009 2:33 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Some Imbecile at LGF asserted the other night that “you would be hard pressed to find a more patriotic group than Muslim Americans.”

    That’s a pretty retarded thing to say. While some Muslims do make the effort to assimilate, and I am not speaking of them at all, others make no effort to fit in with their new country and whine and cry over the slightest perceived insult. Overall I am not sure that can be a true statement because if you’ve ever seen the Pew polls on Islam and how it integrates into society overall, it is found to be lacking as a whole.

    For example in one of the Pew studies 1/4 of young (18-24) British muslims said the 7/7 bombings there was justified and I think 1/3 of them supported violence in general to advance the cause of Islam. I’d have to check back to the original Pew studies to be 100% sure on those figures but I am fairly certain they aren’t far off.

    Cause for concern.


  211. 4_Sticks
    212 | November 5, 2009 2:33 pm

    I was just reading the story on how the Taliban has infiltrated the Police at all levels…then read this: “Army Major Malik Nadal Hassan”.
    The problems are not just 1/2 a world away. You gotta be kiddin’ me. I guess there’s the possibility of ‘domestic problems’, ‘work place issues’ and all. Biting my tongue until the whole story comes out.
    Don’t look good though does it ?


  212. Jen06
    213 | November 5, 2009 2:34 pm

    Now Shep doesn’t want to say the name of the murderer!


  213. Nevergiveup
    214 | November 5, 2009 2:35 pm

    619 J.S.
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    There are also Arab Christians…

    As the Pentagon has been pleading — it is too early to start speculating with regard to motive.

    Yeah because so many christians have done shit like this?


  214. vagabond trader
    215 | November 5, 2009 2:36 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    No kidding. Ask the IDF.


  215. GrandJunctionite
    216 | November 5, 2009 2:37 pm

    I stand corrected on the clearence as mentioned many times above.

    But I will call Bullshit on this post by SelrahC

    595 Charles
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:31:05pm replyquote 5downupreport

    Whatever the guy’s name is — and that could be an African American name, btw — it’s highly unlikely he could have become a major if he were any kind of radical Islamist.

    It doesn’t take much more than 8 years of doing a decent job to become a Major. I have seen plenty of idiots become Majors.


  216. calcajun
    217 | November 5, 2009 2:37 pm

    @ RIX:
    Oh, they’re very patriotic--just not to this country.


  217. lobo91
    218 | November 5, 2009 2:37 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    While someone in his unit would probably say something if he had an “Osama bin Laden Rocks” bumper sticker on his car, there is absolutely nothing that would keep such a person from becoming an officer in the Army.

    Unfortunately.


  218. Beltfed
    219 | November 5, 2009 2:37 pm

    Shep Smith and Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson (sp) have been given name od dead officer shooter but will not release name until Army confirms,

    They say the name is troubling Hmmmm, one of them peaceful folk????


  219. Carolina Girl
    220 | November 5, 2009 2:37 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    595 Charles
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:31:05pm
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    Whatever the guy’s name is — and that could be an African American name, btw — it’s highly unlikely he could have become a major if he were any kind of radical Islamist.
    What an asshole

    My response as to my assessment of the Chaz had more syllables.


  220. MightyConservative
    221 | November 5, 2009 2:38 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    That’s absolutely moronic to say. Sudden jihad syndrome strikes anyone. Quite frequently people involved in plots are doctors or scientists. It isn’t just some guy in a cave any more. It doesn’t seem unlikely at all if you understand that sudden jihad syndrome is just that: sudden and violent. People who flip out often do so shortly after becoming very “devout.”

    We’ll see as the story comes out, but I think that was a stupid comment to make when facts and past events would suggest the possibility otherwise.


  221. mfhorn
    222 | November 5, 2009 2:38 pm

    From 1.0
    1) (apparently a quote from HotAir) We live in a different world today. PC doesn’t have a place in a world threatened by terrorism.

    Check the rosters at all military bases. Give these peace loving Muslims the boot. Yes, I know there are good and bad among them. Problem is, we have no way of deciphering who is who. Get rid of all of them, for our safety.

    They have created this world we live in. TS.

    fogw on November 5, 2009 at 5:21 PM

    Amazing. Go Hot air…

    2)We live in a different world today. PC doesn’t have a place in a world threatened by terrorism.

    Check the rosters at all military bases. Give these peace loving Muslims the boot. Yes, I know there are good and bad among them. Problem is, we have no way of deciphering who is who. Get rid of all of them, for our safety.

    They have created this world we live in. TS.

    fogw on November 5, 2009 at 5:21 PM

    Amazing. Go Hot air…

    We live in a different world today. PC doesn’t have a place in a world threatened by terrorism.

    Check the rosters at all military bases. Give these peace loving Muslims the boot. Yes, I know there are good and bad among them. Problem is, we have no way of deciphering who is who. Get rid of all of them, for our safety.

    They have created this world we live in. TS.

    fogw on November 5, 2009 at 5:21 PM

    Amazing. Go Hot air…

    2) re: #562 LudwigVanQuixote

    Just put quotes around that so they know you don’t feel that way.
    ———
    Have no clue how to edit. But honestly, I don’t care what people on the internet think of me, I just hope Charles sees it and makes another Hotair topic on this. It’s absolutely sickening some of the filth that goes on at that site.

    Someone said something about the need to ban Islam from the country? Like holy shit. They don’t even ATTEMPT to hide the racism. It’s blatant, it’s everywhere, and no one gives a SHIT.
    ———-
    3) 580 LudwigVanQuixote
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:29:23pm replyquote 0downupreport

    re: #573 Teh Flowah

    Have no clue how to edit. But honestly, I don’t care what people on the internet think of me, I just hope Charles sees it and makes another Hotair topic on this. It’s absolutely sickening some of the filth that goes on at that site.

    Someone said something about the need to ban Islam from the country? Like holy shit. They don’t even ATTEMPT to hide the racism. It’s blatant, it’s everywhere, and no one gives a SHIT.

    The they is people like me, everyone else on the thread and Charles. Use the quote buttons on the top. You’re a good guy. Don’t want you confused with the bad guys.

    —————
    And, from Chuckles
    595 Charles
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:31:05pm replyquote 8downupreport

    Whatever the guy’s name is — and that could be an African American name, btw — it’s highly unlikely he could have become a major if he were any kind of radical Islamist.


  222. RIX
    223 | November 5, 2009 2:38 pm

    @ MightyConservative:
    I don’t think that all Muslims support terrorism & of Course many are patriotic. I just found it ridiculous the guy over at LGF thinks that they are the most patriotic group in the country.
    I wonder if he was including the street partiers in Patterson New Jersey on 9/11?


  223. vagabond trader
    224 | November 5, 2009 2:39 pm

    A convert to Islam, and FOX won’t name him.Flippin CNN reporting it.


  224. snork
    225 | November 5, 2009 2:39 pm

    When’s the presser with Dougie Hooper?


  225. Nevergiveup
    226 | November 5, 2009 2:39 pm

    @ GrandJunctionite:
    I’ll assume your not referring to my rank?


  226. newsjunkie_ky
    227 | November 5, 2009 2:40 pm

    @ 4_Sticks:
    “Army Major Malik Nadal Hassan”.

    Is that one of the shooter’s name?


  227. imtoast
    228 | November 5, 2009 2:40 pm

    Dead shooter is was a converted muslim.


  228. bluliner10
    229 | November 5, 2009 2:40 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Searching for a motive???? Dots meet line.


  229. vagabond trader
    230 | November 5, 2009 2:40 pm

    Major Malik Nadal Hassan.


  230. mfhorn
    231 | November 5, 2009 2:40 pm

    569 America1
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:27:08pm replyquote -4downupreport

    R.O.P Strikes Again. Obama wags the dog.

    607 tradewind
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:32:53pm replyquote 0downupreport

    re: #569 America1

    OMG.
    Seriously???
    What would make that thought spring into your head?
    Not even funny.


  231. calcajun
    232 | November 5, 2009 2:40 pm

    @ Jen06:
    Mr. Ailes is now wondering how much time is left on Shep’s contract.


  232. Elrond Hubbard
    234 | November 5, 2009 2:41 pm

    Shooter, Major Malik Nidal Hassan, used two hand guns and had two accomplices. Obviously a planned attack, motivation unknown, but it is an act of terrorism.

    If this is actually a jihadi operation we can look forward to Obama visiting a local D.C. mosque to confirm that Islam is really a religion of peace.


  233. lobo91
    235 | November 5, 2009 2:41 pm

    @ GrandJunctionite:

    It doesn’t take much more than 8 years of doing a decent job to become a Major. I have seen plenty of idiots become Majors.

    Major is the new First Lieutenant. It’s pretty much automatic, unless you were relieved for cause in your last assignment.

    They really don’t even start looking closely until Colonel these days.


  234. vagabond trader
    236 | November 5, 2009 2:42 pm

    @ newsjunkie_ky:

    Yup and he be dead.


  235. MightyConservative
    237 | November 5, 2009 2:43 pm

    @ RIX:

    Oh I hear ya. And yeah, I agree.


  236. buzzsawmonkey
    238 | November 5, 2009 2:43 pm

    Elrond Hubbard wrote:

    If this is actually a jihadi operation we can look forward to Obama visiting a local D.C. mosque to confirm that Islam is really a religion of peace.

    It’ll all be swept under the prayer rug.


  237. snork
    239 | November 5, 2009 2:44 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    I knew they were daffy, but holy Mo…


  238. GrandJunctionite
    240 | November 5, 2009 2:44 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    he’s interviewing Steele on my radio.
    Yawn


  239. RIX
    241 | November 5, 2009 2:44 pm

    595 Charles
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:31:05pm replyquote 8downupreport

    Whatever the guy’s name is — and that could be an African American name, btw — it’s highly unlikely he could have become a major if he were any kind of radical Islamist.

    Charles knows all about the military, he saw a John Wayne movie once.
    What a moron.


  240. MightyConservative
    242 | November 5, 2009 2:44 pm

    @ Elrond Hubbard:

    I’m sure he’ll apologize when he shows up there.


  241. Overlook
    243 | November 5, 2009 2:45 pm

    A Muslim convert, apparently. Converted while a major?
    Converts are often the most zealous.
    Mr. Johnson’s ideas are not very coherent at the best of times. Now they are just foolish.


  242. mjazz
    244 | November 5, 2009 2:45 pm

    They won’t release his name but Fox said he was a recent convert to izlam.


  243. davehm
    245 | November 5, 2009 2:45 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    They’re clueless at the swamp..Malik Nadal Hasan, that’s a nice Christian name//////


  244. Buckeye Abroad
    246 | November 5, 2009 2:45 pm

    It wasn’t white men between the ages of 20-40 proclaiming a christian belief?

    Shocker.

    How long before the commander-and-theif prostates himself before the nearest imam?


  245. vagabond trader
    247 | November 5, 2009 2:46 pm

    Wow,I know the story is fresh but the reportage’ is pitifully 3rd rate.


  246. Nevergiveup
    248 | November 5, 2009 2:47 pm

    27 Killgore Trout
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:45:07pm
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    It’s an interesting name for a convert if you ask me. But what do I know eh.

    It’s a pretty standard Muslim name. He is probably from Pakistan, possibly a translator.

    The idiot hasn’t heard he was a convert even though they have repeatedly said that? The only Artabic the bastard probably knew was ” I keeel you”


  247. Nevergiveup
    249 | November 5, 2009 2:48 pm

    davehm wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    They’re clueless at the swamp..Malik Nadal Hasan, that’s a nice Christian name//////

    Yeah just the kinda boy i want my daughter to bring home????????


  248. coldwarrior
    250 | November 5, 2009 2:48 pm

    charles needs to shut the hell up about subjects he knows nothing about.

    i’m on the horn to friends at hood right now…

    bbl


  249. mjazz
    251 | November 5, 2009 2:48 pm

    Of course the prudent thing to do is import about a half a million muzlims and recruit about a hundred thousand more so that we can prove that we really believe it’s a religion of peace.
    The dude was griping about going overseas, shouldn’t that have raised a few flags?


  250. calcajun
    252 | November 5, 2009 2:49 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    A lot to chew on in there. But, they are right in a sense. Unless you want a new round of internments as we did to the Japanese, Italian and German-Americans post 12/7/41, there is no way we can sift them out.

    BTW, Hasan is not normally a “convert” name; it is a family name.


  251. MightyConservative
    253 | November 5, 2009 2:51 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Wow,I know the story is fresh but the reportage’ is pitifully 3rd rate.

    The press is so concerned with being politically correct they would rather shit themselves than draw any kind of connection that any well informed person would make through basic observation and common sense.


  252. mjazz
    254 | November 5, 2009 2:51 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    wow.. wtf


  253. 255 | November 5, 2009 2:51 pm

    Shooter, Major Malik Nidal Hassan….OK, we have a name. Let the investigation continue. I’ll defer to the 24 hour rule.
    As to a certain apologist blogger, if the shooters name had been Buford T. Redneck, well, use your well experienced imagination.


  254. vagabond trader
    256 | November 5, 2009 2:52 pm

    Where the he11 is the commie muzz in chief, reading My Pet Camel to some ethnic studies class????


  255. GrandJunctionite
    257 | November 5, 2009 2:56 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    @ GrandJunctionite:
    I’ll assume your not referring to my rank?

    I am not referring to anyones rank other than the shooter. I am not referring to any individual other than the shooter. I simply stated it’s not as difficult or competative as it once was to get promoted to Major. In fact, you probably have to be pretty screwed up not to make it. I’ve seen LtCols that didn’t deserve the billet or rank they had
    Do your job and don’t screw up and you’ll make Major in 8-10 years.


  256. snork
    258 | November 5, 2009 2:57 pm

    40 Sharmuta Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:46:59pm replyquote

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    re: #29 Fenway_Nation

    Fucking fuckity fuck fuck…so this wasn’t some homesick E2 who just got a dear John letter from his girl back home and snapped.

    That much was clear when miltiple shooters were announced.

    One shooter- he’s dead. 2 others in custody as possible suspects, but let’s go easy here before assuming there was plot or something.

    You really, really don’t want Chicky to look like an idiot, do you Sharm? Too bad. It’s already a done deal.


  257. davehm
    259 | November 5, 2009 2:57 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    i’m on the horn to friends at hood right now

    Keep us posted!


  258. Lost
    260 | November 5, 2009 2:57 pm

    MightyConservative wrote:

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Wow,I know the story is fresh but the reportage’ is pitifully 3rd rate.

    The press is so concerned with being politically correct they would rather shit themselves rather than draw any kind of connection that any well informed person would make through basic observation and common sense.

    Actually, here (Melbourne) they have said that information was being suppressed. Don’t know if true or not but knowing our “leadership”…


  259. Beltfed
    261 | November 5, 2009 2:58 pm

    With what happened at the start of the Iraq invasion in Kuwait when the black muslim convert fragged a couple of officers while they slept and now this. I’ll guarrantee that the soldiers will start keeping a close eye on the other so called muslim soldiers.


  260. RIX
    262 | November 5, 2009 2:59 pm

    @ Overlook:
    But his reaction was predictable.


  261. Carolina Girl
    263 | November 5, 2009 3:03 pm

    @ RIX:

    Now Chaz is an expert on what does or does not effect promotion in the military, or even how long the path to Major takes in the military. Or even if it’s possible to belong to a sleeper cell and still serve in the military.

    Wow -- is there ANYTHING this moron doesn’t proffer himself as the resident expert on?


  262. 264 | November 5, 2009 3:04 pm

    Malik Nidal Hassan

    uuuuuuuhhhhhhh…..


  263. Lost
    265 | November 5, 2009 3:05 pm

    “Don’t speculate”

    It’s like saying, “Don’t breathe.”


  264. Beltfed
    266 | November 5, 2009 3:05 pm

    @ RIX:

    Charles knows all about the military, he saw a John Wayne movie once.
    What a moron.

    Nah, he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. :)


  265. snork
    267 | November 5, 2009 3:06 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    NASCAR?


  266. mjazz
    268 | November 5, 2009 3:07 pm

    I wonder how many muzlims will denounce these murders?
    Are the palestinians passing out candy and dancing in the streets?
    Will Barak Hussein O. remind us once again that mohammedism is a religion of peace?


  267. MightyConservative
    269 | November 5, 2009 3:08 pm

    @ Lost:

    Especially with the nugget: a convert to Islam.


  268. RIX
    270 | November 5, 2009 3:08 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Wow – is there ANYTHING this moron doesn’t proffer himself as the resident expert on?

    If & when it is shown that the guy is a “Radical Islamist” Charles still will not admit that he was wrong. He’ll blame the Right somehow.


  269. Jen06
    271 | November 5, 2009 3:08 pm

    You know, there are times when I read a comment and wish I could ding it up. My eyes still go to the right corner looking for the plus and minus which is odd since I rarely used either -- paranoia run deep… I did upding Buzz’s comments a LOT -- a sense of humor that tickles my fancy.


  270. bluliner10
    272 | November 5, 2009 3:08 pm

    @ calcajun:

    Arabs don’t use family names…His name, father’s name, Grandfather’s name etc… Occasionally, you will get the full breakout which will either indicate tribal or regional affiliation.


  271. davehm
    273 | November 5, 2009 3:10 pm

    “Hey where are my virgins and why is it so hot in here?”

    Malik Nidal Hassan Nov. 5th 2009 3:10pm pdt.


  272. Syndic Nuruodo
    274 | November 5, 2009 3:11 pm

    When US Army Majors suddenly become enthusiasts of the traditional islamic “spiritual struggle”, I’m starting to get really worried…

    What’s next? A jihadist “officer” aboard a B-52 or a nuclear submarine?


  273. KGB
    275 | November 5, 2009 3:12 pm

    CAIR will issue a press release warning against “anti-Muslim backlash” in 7…6…5…4….


  274. bluliner10
    276 | November 5, 2009 3:14 pm

    @ davehm:
    Silly jihadist, don’t you know the streets of Heaven are guarded by US Marines? How many virgins do you expect to find?


  275. Nevergiveup
    277 | November 5, 2009 3:14 pm

    Syndic Nuruodo wrote:

    When US Army Majors suddenly become enthusiasts of the traditional islamic “spiritual struggle”, I’m starting to get really worried…

    What’s next? A jihadist “officer” aboard a B-52 or a nuclear submarine?

    If this PC shit doesn’t stop --yeah you might


  276. vagabond trader
    278 | November 5, 2009 3:15 pm

    CBS reporting muslim convert was a psychiatrist.


  277. Lost
    279 | November 5, 2009 3:15 pm

    @ davehm:
    “and I refuse to share a room with this Adolf Hitler look-alike!”


  278. Nevergiveup
    280 | November 5, 2009 3:16 pm

    Suspected Fort Hood Gunman Identified As Major Malik Nadal Hasan….A Muslim Convert And A Psychiatrist
    —DrewM.


  279. 281 | November 5, 2009 3:16 pm

    I just updated the post. Yeah Islam the religion of peace, huh!


  280. GrandJunctionite
    282 | November 5, 2009 3:16 pm

    CBS News investigative producer Len Tepper reports that Hasan, 39, is a licensed psychiatrist from Silver Spring, Md.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/05/national/main5539067.shtml?tag=breakingnews

    This guy could have been commisioned as a Captain.


  281. snork
    283 | November 5, 2009 3:17 pm

    FWIW:

    Shooting Suspect ID’d as Army Psychiatrist


  282. RIX
    284 | November 5, 2009 3:17 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    CBS reporting muslim convert was a psychiatrist.

    FNC just reported the same thing.


  283. davehm
    285 | November 5, 2009 3:17 pm

    @ Syndic Nuruodo:

    President of the United States Barak Hussain Obama


  284. 286 | November 5, 2009 3:18 pm

    Sounds like an Amish Guy, I’m glad Shep decided to NOT say the shooter’s name….

    Seriously, if the guy had been named Paul Christiansen, he wouldn’t have blinked.


  285. Nevergiveup
    287 | November 5, 2009 3:20 pm

    GrandJunctionite wrote:

    CBS News investigative producer Len Tepper reports that Hasan, 39, is a licensed psychiatrist from Silver Spring, Md.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/05/national/main5539067.shtml?tag=breakingnews

    This guy could have been commisioned as a Captain.

    I was commisioned as a LCDR ( Major ) just 2 years ago. I am a Dentist.


  286. snork
    288 | November 5, 2009 3:20 pm

    @ GrandJunctionite:

    It says right there, promoted to Major this year.

    But Chucky assures us that when they promote a shrink to Major, they look ‘em over with a microscope.


  287. mjazz
    289 | November 5, 2009 3:20 pm

    Syndic Nuruodo:
    What’s next? A jihadist “officer” aboard a B-52 or a nuclear submarine?

    Well, of course. We have to prove that we really believe that izlam is a religion of peace, no matter how many get killed in the process.


  288. Beltfed
    290 | November 5, 2009 3:21 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    Silly jihadist, don’t you know the streets of Heaven are guarded by US Marines? How many virgins do you expect to find?

    I’m afraid they are very, very rare there. :)


  289. Nevergiveup
    291 | November 5, 2009 3:21 pm

    By the By--over in the swamp they are ratting each other out to long haired hippie. What a bunch of assholes.


  290. 292 | November 5, 2009 3:22 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Now Chaz is an expert on what does or does not effect promotion in the military, or even how long the path to Major takes in the military. Or even if it’s possible to belong to a sleeper cell and still serve in the military.
    Wow – is there ANYTHING this moron doesn’t proffer himself as the resident expert on?

    His arrogance is breathtaking.


  291. RickZ
    293 | November 5, 2009 3:22 pm

    Whoever claims the major’s body needs to have their life gone over with an anal probe.


  292. Speranza
    294 | November 5, 2009 3:22 pm

    That Shepard Smith along with Kay Baily Hutchinson is so damned annoying.


  293. 4_Sticks
    295 | November 5, 2009 3:23 pm

    Has it been confirmed that there was more than one shooter ? If ‘yes’ then no question…


  294. 296 | November 5, 2009 3:23 pm

    Islam is an enemy ideology in America. When will Americans wake up?


  295. davehm
    297 | November 5, 2009 3:24 pm

    All sarcasm aside this is tragic, a major failure of our nation to recognize her enemies. Now I ask, would Israel allow this man into her military?


  296. mjazz
    298 | November 5, 2009 3:24 pm

    I’m getting a lot of blanks where I think quotes are supposed to be.
    Maybe it’s Opera.


  297. theTarCzar
    299 | November 5, 2009 3:25 pm

    shepard smith on katrina:Hundreds of dead babies!cannibalism!Gang rapes at the superdome !Snipers everywhere! shepard smith today:uhh we cant confirm the multiple confrimations of the murderers name without 1000% pinpoint accurate precision confirmation. Funny how making sure your info is right only occurs at times that benifit certain individuals/groups.If i ever see him in person,i will break his jaw for that shit.


  298. RIX
    300 | November 5, 2009 3:26 pm

    If the guys co-conspitiors are named Mohamad Ramadan & Achmed Jihad, might there be a suggested link to Islam?


  299. 301 | November 5, 2009 3:27 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Silly jihadist, don’t you know the streets of Heaven are guarded by US Marines? How many virgins do you expect to find?

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

    Reminds me of the bumper sticker on my camping trailer:

    Martyrs or Marines, Who Do You Think Will Get The Virgins?


  300. MightyConservative
    302 | November 5, 2009 3:27 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    @ snork:
    @ RIX:

    It is amazing how many of these sudden jihad syndrome carriers are doctors, dentists, scientists, etc. Truly.


  301. Speranza
    303 | November 5, 2009 3:28 pm

    @ loppyd:
    He has become totally insane! I cannot believe that I used to admire that guy.


  302. 304 | November 5, 2009 3:29 pm

    @ loppyd:

    Not only is Charles a Scientist, he’s also a military expert!


  303. 305 | November 5, 2009 3:29 pm

    @ snork:

    Right. Because he has been in the military for how long?

    I seriously wish I could have my account back for just this day so I could tell that arrogant prick to fuck off.


  304. snork
    306 | November 5, 2009 3:31 pm

    And don’t you just love this (from 1.0)?

    Fort Hood Shooter Identified As a Major

    US News | Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:36:49 pm PST

    ABC News reports an identity for the Fort Hood shooter.

    The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

    (original bolding)

    So the fact that he’s a Major is significant, but that “Malik Nadal Hasan” business is of no significance.

    What a dweeb.


  305. jakee308
    307 | November 5, 2009 3:31 pm

    @ RIX:
    If by ‘all’ you mean 100% then, of course, no. However polls done in many countries have found that there IS support among Muslims of all levels of society and affluence that believe that violence is justified in the ‘defense’ and propagation of Islam. (defense here meaning defending against whatever actions infidels take against Muslim violence or imperialism).

    AS shown by this Pew Research Center Report, the support IS declining. The poll shows how many DO NOT SUPPORT VIOLENCE and it is not clear whether the reminder DO SUPPORT VIOLENCE but in some countries the numbers that DID NOT REJECT VIOLENCE is disappointing. However despite what happened today, Muslims worldwide are getting the picture. That does not mitigate the threat to the western world due to the population disparity.


  306. coldwarrior
    308 | November 5, 2009 3:31 pm

    friends at the mp’s in hood are gagged.

    but did say prolly wasnt alone in this, and he was staff at meddac.

    bbl


  307. theTarCzar
    309 | November 5, 2009 3:34 pm

    Heres another Thr frogger will just ignore now http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091105/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_census_worker_hanged


  308. Speranza
    310 | November 5, 2009 3:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Wow – is there ANYTHING this moron doesn’t proffer himself as the resident expert on?
    If & when it is shown that the guy is a “Radical Islamist” Charles still will not admit that he was wrong. He’ll blame the Right somehow.

    Because Creationism is the real enemy.


  309. 311 | November 5, 2009 3:37 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I am ashamed to have ever had my name associated with him or that blog.


  310. jakee308
    312 | November 5, 2009 3:38 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    They got Majors on the ‘Boomers’ now?


  311. calcajun
    313 | November 5, 2009 3:38 pm

    snork wrote:

    That much was clear when miltiple shooters were announced.
    One shooter- he’s dead. 2 others in custody as possible suspects, but let’s go easy here before assuming there was plot or something.

    You really, really don’t want Chicky to look like an idiot, do you Sharm? Too bad. It’s already a done deal.

    Conspiracy? Nah. Three US Army muslim-types all get the same idea to go on a rampage at the same time at the same place. Imagine the dialogue.

    Shooter One: “What are y’all doing here?”

    Shooter Two: “My own personal jihad. You?”

    Shooter One: “Golly. Me too. Who would have thunk it?”

    Shooter Two: “Say, there’s another fellow with a scowl and a gun. What do you suppose he’s up to? Say, friend, what brigs you here?

    Shooter Three: “Jihad against the kaffirs. What are you guys doing.”

    Shooter Two: “The same thing. Wow, now there’s a kooky coincidence. Wait…you know, it sort of sounds like Allah’s will to me that we all met.”

    Shooter One; “Gee, it sounds better when you say it that way. Otherwise, I was feeling like my idea wasn’t so original after all. I mean, with you fellows being here, too.

    Shooter Three: “Nonsense, chum. That’s how Allah works sometimes. Now, all we have to do is go forth, do Allah’s will and get some virgins!”

    Sigh. Yeah--that’s how dumb you have to be to think there was no concert of action here.


  312. GrandJunctionite
    314 | November 5, 2009 3:40 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    GrandJunctionite wrote:
    CBS News investigative producer Len Tepper reports that Hasan, 39, is a licensed psychiatrist from Silver Spring, Md.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/05/national/main5539067.shtml?tag=breakingnews
    This guy could have been commisioned as a Captain.
    I was commisioned as a LCDR ( Major ) just 2 years ago. I am a Dentist.

    You sir have my admiration. Your years of schooling prior to entering the Navy entitle you to start at a higher pay grade. After retireing from 22+ years in the USMC I have come to miss Navy dentistry. I have to Navy crowns that have held up for over 8 years. Civilian dentists don’t measure up and their prices? Yikes!


  313. Nilla
    316 | November 5, 2009 3:41 pm

    @ RIX:
    In the first thread about this over there, when the shooter’s name was released, it was suggested that he might be an arab Christian.


  314. calcajun
    317 | November 5, 2009 3:44 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    CBS reporting muslim convert was a psychiatrist.

    Jungian of Freudian? It’s important.


  315. Nevergiveup
    318 | November 5, 2009 3:44 pm

    loppyd wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    I am ashamed to have ever had my name associated with him or that blog.

    Amen. Me too


  316. Speranza
    319 | November 5, 2009 3:45 pm

    loppyd wrote:

    @ snork:
    Right. Because he has been in the military for how long?
    I seriously wish I could have my account back for just this day so I could tell that arrogant prick to fuck off.

    I would love to see you do that in your very own loppy way!


  317. jakee308
    320 | November 5, 2009 3:47 pm

    calcajun wrote:

    @ Jen06:
    Mr. Ailes is now wondering how much time is left on Shep’s contract.

    Sheppard Smith is a despicable, smarmy, snide, inept, unsophisticated, uneducated, (did I say smarmy? if I did it needs 2 entries anyway) smarmy, manipulative, disingenuous, progressive and phony newsreader and should’ve been fired 3 years ago. (I sent Fox News quite a few emails about this d*bag but they didn’t listen and I had to forgo watching the evening news. Now I don’t get Fox News so I never see the Putz.


  318. 321 | November 5, 2009 3:49 pm

    Just heard that the Major went to the University of Damascus. Also wasn’t a convert, was born into the cult.


  319. Sarge, USAF (RET)
    322 | November 5, 2009 3:49 pm

    @ GrandJunctionite:

    #216 It doesn’t take much more than 8 years of doing a decent job to become a Major. I have seen plenty of idiots become Majors

    Amen, brother, amen!

    Sarge


  320. lobo91
    323 | November 5, 2009 3:50 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I’m surprised he hasn’t tried to link this to “neo-Confederates,” since Ft Hood was named for a Confederate general.


  321. davehm
    324 | November 5, 2009 3:51 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It’s quite obvious he threw everyone off his blog who can think for themselves, now he’s just a minister of misinformation to those who lick up the Kool aid.


  322. Speranza
    325 | November 5, 2009 3:52 pm

    OT -- Mahmoud Abbas the current “President” of the Palestinian Authority announced he would not run for reelection today -- which seems to indicate that the savages might start psunhiing for a “bi-national” state with Israel (which will never happen). Chaz has no thread on this important event (if this was a year ago he would have) but has a thread about Michele Bachmann and another thread on some obscure Reverend. My has that blog gone down the crapper.

    PA President Abbas pressures U.S.: I will not run for reelection in January


  323. kywrite
    326 | November 5, 2009 3:53 pm

    o/t, Nevergiveup -- three years ago we were in NLON too, that hel1hole. Husband’s a CTM. Hawaii is much, much better.


  324. GrandJunctionite
    327 | November 5, 2009 3:53 pm

    @ loppyd:

    Loppyd,
    Love your Avatar. It was a bad night for us Sox Fans last night. Hopefully the Pats and Celts can pull though this year.


  325. LGoPs
    328 | November 5, 2009 3:53 pm

    I am saddened by this outrage against our soldiers.
    I am ashamed of this President and of the 52% in this country that elected him.


  326. mfhorn
    329 | November 5, 2009 3:56 pm

    @ snork:

    And of course there’s no chance at all he might possibly have keyed ‘Allah’ into his own care. Nobody’s EVER faked a hate crime.


  327. snork
    330 | November 5, 2009 3:57 pm

    This is snortworthy:

    421 Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:50:12pm

    re: #347 SpaceJesus

    reminds me of the time he tried to pin African enslavement in America on Islam.

    the guy is warped beyond all kinds of crazy.

    Yeah, but I doubt DC Law is Rodan. If he were, Charles would have caught him by now.


  328. Lost
    331 | November 5, 2009 3:57 pm

    @ kywrite:
    Hey! How are you? Is all well?


  329. mfhorn
    332 | November 5, 2009 3:58 pm

    @ snork:

    And of course there’s no chance at all he might possibly have keyed ‘Allah’ into his own car. Nobody’s EVER faked a hate crime.


  330. Nevergiveup
    333 | November 5, 2009 3:59 pm

    Sarge, USAF (RET) wrote:

    @ GrandJunctionite:

    #216 It doesn’t take much more than 8 years of doing a decent job to become a Major. I have seen plenty of idiots become Majors

    Amen, brother, amen!

    Sarge

    I’ll try not to take that as an insult. You wouldn’t want me to go get my M-9 would ya?
    /


  331. 334 | November 5, 2009 3:59 pm

    Picture of suspect.


  332. davehm
    335 | November 5, 2009 3:59 pm

    The MSM is taking this story from Oct 16th 1991 luby’s Cafe shooting and saying that this area is prone to this type of stuff. This is just a progressive ploy to draw attention away from the fact that Muslims were the one’s who committed this crime.


  333. jakee308
    336 | November 5, 2009 4:00 pm

    GrandJunctionite wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:
    @ GrandJunctionite:
    Do your job and don’t screw up and you’ll make Major in 8-10 years.

    Well, that IS a combo that works for most. Probably what you mean is that Leadership, Dedication and Devotion to Country are not required to achieve Military rank. As any who’ve been part of a Military Organization can attest; real Officer Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen are few and far between. Luckily for us the Enlisted outnumber them.


  334. Speranza
    337 | November 5, 2009 4:00 pm

    davehm wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    It’s quite obvious he threw everyone off his blog who can think for themselves, now he’s just a minister of misinformation to those who lick up the Kool aid.

    He has become rather Goebbels like hasn’t he? I also think of him as being similar to Raging Roland Freisler -- the hanging judge of Nazi Germany in his use of vituperation against anyone who disagrees with him. (and no Chaz I am no accusing you of being a Nazi -- I am using a metaphor -- look up what that means!)

    Roland Freisler -- Hitler’s Blood Judge


  335. GrandJunctionite
    338 | November 5, 2009 4:01 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    loppyd wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    I am ashamed to have ever had my name associated with him or that blog.
    Amen. Me too

    The political correctness and walking on eggshells over there right now is disgusting. They are falling over themselves making appologies for this “Isolated Incident”//

    DC Law is ready for the ban Stick.


  336. 339 | November 5, 2009 4:02 pm

    @ calcajun:

    Brilliant!!


  337. lobo91
    340 | November 5, 2009 4:03 pm

    This story has a picture of the shooter.


  338. GrandJunctionite
    341 | November 5, 2009 4:05 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Sarge, USAF (RET) wrote:
    @ GrandJunctionite:
    #216 It doesn’t take much more than 8 years of doing a decent job to become a Major. I have seen plenty of idiots become Majors
    Amen, brother, amen!
    Sarge
    I’ll try not to take that as an insult. You wouldn’t want me to go get my M-9 would ya?
    /

    See @314


  339. Speranza
    342 | November 5, 2009 4:05 pm

    LGoPs wrote:

    I am saddened by this outrage against our soldiers.
    I am ashamed of this President and of the 52% in this country that elected him.

    One year plus one day this country hd a collective madness -- we elected Barack Hussein Obama.


  340. Lost
    343 | November 5, 2009 4:06 pm

    For some reason, its taking my computer 5 minutes to reload the page. I’m going to go shopping.
    BBIAB


  341. kywrite
    344 | November 5, 2009 4:07 pm

    @ Lost:

    just very, very, very busy -- we move in a little more than a month, we had to get tons of registration stuff done on the vehicles, we’re adjusting to the new little one, and the two year old just hit the age of all-things-are-mine. No idea what happened to my ID, even now a week later, but I can imagine: “Ooo, look, a picture of mommy! This goes to my secret-treasure hiding place.” She has taken to carrying around a totebag with random things she picks up from wherever.


  342. 4_Sticks
    345 | November 5, 2009 4:08 pm

    No disrespect to the good ‘shrinks’ out there but in my (work) experience most of the shrinks I’ve dealt with seemed to be in the field to self diagnose -- seriously. 4 that I knew pretty well
    had their own ‘issues’ which they seemed to be constantly pre occupied with. Your mileage may vary.
    Just sayin’…


  343. mawskrat
    346 | November 5, 2009 4:09 pm

    Robert Spencer gets it! Prayers for all involved

    fuck you chuck


  344. kiwiviv
    347 | November 5, 2009 4:10 pm

    Just found out about this shooting -- My thoughts and prayers are with the families.

    My son served out of Fort Hood and is trying to find out if any of the fallen are his friends.

    God bless them all.


  345. Nevergiveup
    348 | November 5, 2009 4:10 pm

    jakee308 wrote:

    GrandJunctionite wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:
    @ GrandJunctionite:
    Do your job and don’t screw up and you’ll make Major in 8-10 years.

    Well, that IS a combo that works for most. Probably what you mean is that Leadership, Dedication and Devotion to Country are not required to achieve Military rank. As any who’ve been part of a Military Organization can attest; real Officer Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen are few and far between. Luckily for us the Enlisted outnumber them.

    What is this: Gang up on Officers night?


  346. 349 | November 5, 2009 4:11 pm

    Obama being clueless as usual.


  347. davehm
    350 | November 5, 2009 4:12 pm

    I’m waiting for the names and info on the other 2 shooters, I wonder what we will find.


  348. buzzsawmonkey
    351 | November 5, 2009 4:12 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    And of course there’s no chance at all he might possibly have keyed ‘Allah’ into his own car. Nobody’s EVER faked a hate crime.

    There were squeals of outrage over the “name of Allah” in a Burger King swirly, for cryin’ out loud. An un-faked but merely squiggly keying would almost be equivalent.


  349. Speranza
    352 | November 5, 2009 4:12 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    By the By–over in the swamp they are ratting each other out to long haired hippie. What a bunch of assholes.

    Eating their own. I love it. I loved the Sharmuta/Itrish Rose battles with iceweael/Jimmah last week.


  350. BuddyG
    353 | November 5, 2009 4:13 pm

    This is horrible


  351. Nevergiveup
    354 | November 5, 2009 4:13 pm

    @ GrandJunctionite:
    I missed that. The site is slow tonight. I give real big discounts to anyone with a Military ID in my Private Practice.


  352. coldwarrior
    355 | November 5, 2009 4:14 pm

    a little birdie told me that 89th mp has 2 in d-cells under protective custody…


  353. LGoPs
    356 | November 5, 2009 4:16 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Yeah. No kidding.
    Sheesh.


  354. lobo91
    357 | November 5, 2009 4:16 pm

    Anyone watching FNC at the moment? Talking to a recently-retired Colonel who worked with the shooter at Ft Hood, who claims that he made multiple statements against the war, supported Muslims attacking targets in the US, etc.

    Good thing nobody did any profiling or anything…


  355. snork
    358 | November 5, 2009 4:17 pm

    @ 4_Sticks:

    Now don’t go talking about Moe behind his back.


  356. Beltfed
    359 | November 5, 2009 4:17 pm

    @ loppyd:

    Photo


  357. Nevergiveup
    360 | November 5, 2009 4:17 pm

    So FOX is saying this murdering islamist bastard was Anti- American and verbal about it and others knew?


  358. 361 | November 5, 2009 4:17 pm

    I knew it was a fucking mohammedan. I knew it. Goddamn Mohammedan murderers.


  359. 362 | November 5, 2009 4:18 pm

    mawskrat wrote:

    Robert Spencer gets it! Prayers for all involved
    fuck you chuck

    Best case for euthanasia since Jimmah peanut Carter.Oh and Shep Smith.


  360. 4_Sticks
    363 | November 5, 2009 4:19 pm

    Col Terry Lee (Ret.): the Major had said approx. 6 months ago:

    “Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor”.

    “We shouldn’t be over there”

    About the shooting at the Little Rock Recruitment Center “He seemed happy about it” and “This is what Muslims should do”.

    How did the Army keep this guy ? PC, once again, has gotten people killed !

    Oh, someone called him a ‘towel head’ -- this explains it !!
    Nothing more to see here…go one now, go about your business.


  361. Nevergiveup
    364 | November 5, 2009 4:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Anyone watching FNC at the moment? Talking to a recently-retired Colonel who worked with the shooter at Ft Hood, who claims that he made multiple statements against the war, supported Muslims attacking targets in the US, etc.

    Good thing nobody did any profiling or anything…

    It’s disgusting that nobody reported him!


  362. sailordude
    365 | November 5, 2009 4:20 pm

    As a retired military officer this incident breaks my heart and hardens my resolve. My commission states that I enjoy the “special trust and confidence” of the President of the United States. For this scumbag to accept a commission and then betray his country and murder his fellow soldiers is an evil an act as I have ever seen. Pure unadulterated evil.


  363. snork
    366 | November 5, 2009 4:21 pm

    440 MandyManners Thu, Nov 5, 2009 3:54:03pm

    re: #428 Right Brain

    Oh, go piss up a rope.

    K.


  364. lobo91
    367 | November 5, 2009 4:21 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    That’s what the retired Colonel they interviewed said.

    He said that the remarks had been reported, and that some sort of investigation took place, but it was around the time he retired, so he doesn’t know what came of it.

    Putting two and two together, I’d say not much, since the guy was still in uniform.


  365. 368 | November 5, 2009 4:22 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    So FOX is saying this murdering islamist bastard was Anti- American and verbal about it and others knew?

    I don’t guess there could have been friendly fire back when they first discovered this pos. But this coward probadly never got anywhere near a firing range or involved in any skirmish.All cowards.


  366. jeppo
    369 | November 5, 2009 4:23 pm

    @ lobo91:

    He looks like he could be white or possibly a light-skinned Arab. I haven’t heard anything about this guy being a convert. Anybody have a link to a story about the convert angle?


  367. buzzsawmonkey
    370 | November 5, 2009 4:24 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    It’s disgusting that nobody reported him!

    It’s “don’t ask/don’t tell” 2.0; the PC version.


  368. 371 | November 5, 2009 4:24 pm

    And yeah, Charles is fucking disgusting.


  369. MightyConservative
    372 | November 5, 2009 4:26 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I am convinced political correctness prevented the proper action from occurring here.

    Looking back on my comments regarding the Pew study and the approval of violence among those in Britain and the US, it seems I had this one nailed.


  370. vagabond trader
    373 | November 5, 2009 4:26 pm

    Something does not smell right here.Fox has a cousin on now, same last name Hasan,murderer was NOT a convert.Cousin trying to paint the demon as a victim.Disgusting!


  371. 4_Sticks
    374 | November 5, 2009 4:27 pm

    If ‘they’ are hiding the fact that there were other shooters then things have got much worse than I thought. I’ve been thinking of a WWII era example of this Major and his statements -- saying such about the German/Nazis or Japanese Imperial Army.

    Cousin: “He was a good American but he was getting harassed”.
    “He’s always been Muslim”. Grad of Virginia Tech.


  372. coldwarrior
    375 | November 5, 2009 4:28 pm

    his cousin is on fnc right now LYING about the major.

    the cousin cant even get the yearly pay right. the muslim cousin will not deviate from the CAIR line that this is from harassment of his dear harmless cousin, the gentle psychiatrist.

    the muslim lie continues…it was harassment that made him do it.


  373. lobo91
    376 | November 5, 2009 4:28 pm

    @ jeppo:

    They’re interviewing his cousin on FNC now.

    He wasn’t a convert. He was raised Muslim.

    Cousin says he was a “good American.”

    Guess they have a different definition of “good American” than I do…


  374. Nevergiveup
    377 | November 5, 2009 4:29 pm

    His cousin just interviewed on FOX said the scum was a “Good American”. Unfuckenbelivable?


  375. davehm
    378 | November 5, 2009 4:29 pm

    I just went to the swamp and they’re doing everything possible to hide/defend the fact that this guy was a Muslim…like I said earlier I wonder what the names of the other 2 gunmen are.


  376. vagabond trader
    379 | November 5, 2009 4:30 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    He was reorted but the result of the investigation is unknown and the killer was transferred out to Ft. Hood.


  377. livefreeor die
    380 | November 5, 2009 4:31 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ GrandJunctionite:
    It says right there, promoted to Major this year.
    But Chucky assures us that when they promote a shrink to Major, they look ‘em over with a microscope.

    There are few things that get my blood boiling more than when hippies start acting like experts on the military.


  378. 381 | November 5, 2009 4:31 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Not a convert. Raised a head-chopping murdering Mohammedan person of Peaceful Religion.


  379. Macker
    382 | November 5, 2009 4:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I knew it was a fucking mohammedan. I knew it. Goddamn Mohammedan murderers.

    I essentially said almost the same thing…didn’t bring in any vulgar words…over at a liberal board. Let’s see how fast they try to shut me down for saying the word “Mohammedan.”


  380. Macker
    383 | November 5, 2009 4:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I knew it was a fucking mohammedan. I knew it. Goddamn Mohammedan murderers.

    I essentially said almost the same thing…didn’t bring in any vulgar words…over at a liberal board. Let’s see how fast they try to shut me down for saying the word “Mohammedan.”


  381. Nevergiveup
    384 | November 5, 2009 4:33 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    his cousin is on fnc right now LYING about the major.

    the cousin cant even get the yearly pay right. the muslim cousin will not deviate from the CAIR line that this is from harassment of his dear harmless cousin, the gentle psychiatrist.

    the muslim lie continues…it was harassment that made him do it.

    I hear $100,000. Is that what you heard?


  382. jakee308
    385 | November 5, 2009 4:35 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    You aren’t one of the mediocre place holders are you?

    Plus Officers of the Medical Corps usually are competent in their particular support specialty and aren’t expected to be combat leaders. You’re exempt Doc.

    Now since you mentioned it,(opens mouth) Ing gah a bah toof in the bagh der. Ya shee it? :lol:


  383. buzzsawmonkey
    386 | November 5, 2009 4:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Cousin says he was a “good American.”

    Not that different from when family members are interviewed on TV after a gang member has been arrested. The arrestee is always “a good boy,” who has “never, ever been in trouble before.”

    And meanwhile, all the family members crowding into the camera in the background are throwing gang signs.


  384. Silhouette
    387 | November 5, 2009 4:35 pm

    He is a graduate of Virginia Tech University, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor’s degree in biochemistry in 1997.

    What? Other sites just show Lebanese colleges.

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/05/national/w160257S72.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0W2ELRgLW


  385. 388 | November 5, 2009 4:36 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    And Chuck the cock sucker banned me for suggesting that Islam be banned from the United States, it’s a god damned shame Charles Johnson wasnt there to get shot.


  386. 389 | November 5, 2009 4:37 pm

    @ 4_Sticks:

    Virginia Tech. Ismail Axe, anyone? Any connections, or just a coincidence? Wouldn’t it be interesting to find that, I dunno, they’d attended the same Mosque? Just raising a question, but it is one that should be investigated.


  387. 390 | November 5, 2009 4:37 pm

    @ jeppo:

    Syrian. Born Muslim.
    Cousin Nader Hasan says “He was a good American”.

    You can take the boy out of syria….


  388. 391 | November 5, 2009 4:37 pm

    Hasan chop.


  389. DEZ
    392 | November 5, 2009 4:38 pm

    ROP my ass.
    The jihadist scum is hard enough to stomach without all the bleeding heart libtards bleating about how this is casting islime in a bad light.
    I must be a bigot, because I hate jerks that murder our military personnel and civilians.
    Feed these islamanuts to the pigs, living or dead!


  390. Macker
    393 | November 5, 2009 4:39 pm

    As I predicted, the liberals at the other board are quick to say it’s not his religion who’s at fault…..


  391. livefreeor die
    394 | November 5, 2009 4:40 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    his cousin is on fnc right now LYING about the major.
    the cousin cant even get the yearly pay right. the muslim cousin will not deviate from the CAIR line that this is from harassment of his dear harmless cousin, the gentle psychiatrist.
    the muslim lie continues…it was harassment that made him do it.

    Um-if this is how he handled stress, I’d hate to find out what kind of advice he gave his patients.


  392. Nevergiveup
    395 | November 5, 2009 4:43 pm

    @ jakee308:
    I was only kidding. I couldn’t do without my enlisted.


  393. buzzsawmonkey
    396 | November 5, 2009 4:43 pm

    Macker wrote:

    As I predicted, the liberals at the other board are quick to say it’s not his religion who’s at fault…..

    You couldn’t be talking about people who are blaming other people’s eeeevil political positions on their religious beliefs, could you?


  394. yah
    397 | November 5, 2009 4:43 pm

    When the press did not give his name for several hours, I knew.


  395. calcajun
    398 | November 5, 2009 4:43 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    So, what are the apologists at LGF 1 saying anyway. I really have no desire to look--or to find out if I am “denied”.


  396. Silhouette
    399 | November 5, 2009 4:43 pm

    Va Tech ROTC? Lowlife murderer let the US pay his tuition? And his salary, of course.


  397. 400 | November 5, 2009 4:43 pm

    They are trying to blame this on his being military instead of what is so fucking obvious. Why admit that Mohammedans are murderers when you can slander the entire US Military?

    Breathe. Unbelievable. I had to quit reading LGF. They were trying to blame this on a lack of gun control, at least some of them were. Disgusting. I would have never believed it of them no matter what our differences if I haddn’t read it for myself.

    Disgusting.


  398. lobo91
    401 | November 5, 2009 4:44 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    That’s a reasonable ballpark figure for an O-4 over 8 (according to the cousin, he graduated in 2001), plus BAH and medical specialty pay (from what I saw, psychiatrists get $20,000 a year).


  399. 402 | November 5, 2009 4:46 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    He’s a dick, but I don’t want him to get shot…


  400. snork
    403 | November 5, 2009 4:46 pm

    @ Macker:

    So what is?


  401. lobo91
    404 | November 5, 2009 4:47 pm

    @ Silhouette:

    He also had his medical school at Bethesda paid for by the taxpayers.


  402. coldwarrior
    405 | November 5, 2009 4:47 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    yep 6 figures…

    if thats the case i need to go back in!


  403. Silhouette
    406 | November 5, 2009 4:48 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    If there was draconian gun control, you know who would still have guns? (Besides criminals of course) The military, that’s who.

    I never understand those who say making guns illegal will stop things. Murder is illegal and it didn’t stop him/them.


  404. 407 | November 5, 2009 4:48 pm

    @ calcajun:

    I had to quit reading it. Charles was more concerned that this particular Mohammedan was a Major than that he was a Mohammedan. Major is pretty low rank for an MD+, I’d think. You have to have a college degree to be an officer, but a psychiactrist is a very advanced degree. Like I said, MD+. Years and years of additional training after med school.

    BREAKING: Fox is reporting someone else being picked up. It is real sketchy.


  405. Nevergiveup
    408 | November 5, 2009 4:49 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I agree. I am not sure what Shrinks get either--more than dentists, that I am sure of.


  406. 4_Sticks
    409 | November 5, 2009 4:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yep, Possibly a hot bed of …nah, what am I sayin ? Almost slipped and made some kind of ‘connection’. There have been lots of shootings at Hood recently don’t ya know ? How many were just young, dumb and stupid as compared to this educated, older practitioner of peace ? No difference.
    As I said, imagine the equivalent of what this guy was spouting happening during WWII ? BEFORE we went bat shit PC crazy.


  407. sailordude
    410 | November 5, 2009 4:49 pm

    Officers do not sign contracts like enlisted. They serve “at the pleasure of the POTUS”. If Hasan did not like being in the military, he could have simply resigned his commission and been gone. For his cousin to suggest that he was being harrassed (remember it is against the UCMJ to show disrespect to an officer) and that justifies his actions is bull-shit.


  408. 411 | November 5, 2009 4:51 pm

    Rep Carter from Tx on FNC saying he has been told a new suspect has been picked up. A member of his office is at Ft. Hood in the building under lockdcown. Unconfirmed by Pentagon.


  409. LGoPs
    412 | November 5, 2009 4:52 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Cousin says he was a “good American.”
    Not that different from when family members are interviewed on TV after a gang member has been arrested. The arrestee is always “a good boy,” who has “never, ever been in trouble before.”And meanwhile, all the family members crowding into the camera in the background are throwing gang signs.

    And don’t forget honor student. They’re always honor students.


  410. MightyConservative
    413 | November 5, 2009 4:52 pm

    1.0 is a mess because there are those that know what’s up, but most avoid outright saying it, causing tension. Those that do say it outright like we have here are treated like pariahs, but the funny thing is is that some of them are very long term members, causing further tension.

    The mass confusion over there as to how to react to this is like a slow motion trainwreck. I think it is because CJ hasn’t weighed in with an “officially” sanctioned opinion that everyone should espouse, so they are just spinning around in circles, some speaking truth and some with hands over their ears as they post.

    Ironic it would take Islamic violence to shatter their community so thoroughly.


  411. vagabond trader
    414 | November 5, 2009 4:52 pm

    Original 2 suspects released, one other just picked up for questioning.


  412. lobo91
    415 | November 5, 2009 4:52 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I looked it up on the DFAS website. It said $20,000 annually for psychiatrists.


  413. Silhouette
    416 | November 5, 2009 4:53 pm

    I don’t know why the news stories I’m reading are STILL talking about ‘stress’ and PTSD when we know he had yet to be deployed.


  414. DEZ
    417 | November 5, 2009 4:53 pm

    751 Werewolf_in_Florida Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:47:02pm replyquote

    * -1
    * down
    * up
    * report

    re: #712 Dark_Falcon

    re: #743 Walter L. Newton

    wow.. imagine what life would have been like, if you’d gotten enough oxygen at birth ?


  415. 418 | November 5, 2009 4:54 pm

    @ Silhouette:

    Ordinary military people do not carry firearms on base, only MPs. That means that as long as the guy watched for MPs, he could fire at will without fear of being fired back at. Gun control assures unarmed victims in this kind of thing. I can’t believe any of the motherfucklers at LGF would even bring gun control up. I had to quit reading it. WTF has happened to those people?


  416. 419 | November 5, 2009 4:55 pm

    loppyd wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    He’s a dick, but I don’t want him to get shot…

    I say he deserves first hand experience with Jihadists if he wants to allow them to live here. There is only one reason any Muslim moves to America and that is to either support or engage in Jihad. They are not here for Freedom because they don’t believe in freedom. They believe in Islam and Islam demands that every single person on the face of the earth submit to Islam.

    Fuck Charles Johnson, his attitude, his pathetic progressive political ideology and his worthless sack of shit morals and ethics are KILLING my fellow Americans.


  417. vagabond trader
    420 | November 5, 2009 4:56 pm

    @ LGoPs:

    Yuh, and always such nice polite neighbors who always smiled at the kiddies and patted the dog on the head.

    Speaking of heads, other injuries besides gunshot? Like what???? Head chopping?


  418. jakee308
    421 | November 5, 2009 4:56 pm

    @ loppyd:
    Yes. that would be too quick. He doesn’t deserve quick.

    I vote that he gets a taste of his own medicine somehow, sometime in the future. Perhaps his attitude derives from someone excluding HIM from somewhere. Who knows what seed was planted that has grown into the twisted, diseased personality that manipulates his mind.


  419. calcajun
    422 | November 5, 2009 4:57 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    It’s an understandable sentiment, but totally unworkable. The First Amendment is sacrosanct. And, yes, there are cases where religious groups sued to continue their odious religious practices (animal sacrifice, etc.) and were told no, you can’t do that and that did not violate the First. But, to make the religion banned would be impossible. You should not have been banned for saying it, though.

    The only religions I would see being banned would be thugee, baal worship, molech worship and the like with some truly detestable practices.


  420. lobo91
    423 | November 5, 2009 4:57 pm

    @ sailordude:

    If Hasan did not like being in the military, he could have simply resigned his commission and been gone.

    I doubt it. He probably hasn’t completed his initial obligation yet.

    He went to the military medical school at Bethesda. It’s probably only been 4 years since he finished med school, since he got his BA in 2001.


  421. 4_Sticks
    424 | November 5, 2009 5:00 pm

    Still no answer from friend in Kileen. Maybe under lock down ?


  422. Nevergiveup
    425 | November 5, 2009 5:00 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I should go back to school


  423. jakee308
    426 | November 5, 2009 5:01 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ Macker:
    So what is?

    there is anecdotal evidence that Psychiatry and Psychology attract a lot of study by people because of their own personal inner turmoil.

    You know “Where do you find all the Nuts? — At the Nuthouse” That include the keepers as well as the inmates.


  424. mawskrat
    427 | November 5, 2009 5:01 pm

    “They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/


  425. vagabond trader
    428 | November 5, 2009 5:01 pm

    Site is really sloooooow.

    Sorry, don’t like to bite the hand but…..


  426. lobo91
    429 | November 5, 2009 5:04 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yup. Just looked it up.

    There’s a seven-year service obligation after graduating from the Uniformed Services Health School, and the Army requires it to be served on active duty.

    He wouldn’t have been eligible to be released for a couple more years. That’s why he hired a lawyer, so he could get out of being deployed.


  427. snork
    430 | November 5, 2009 5:06 pm

    MightyConservative wrote:

    Ironic it would take Islamic violence to shatter their community so thoroughly.

    Innit?


  428. Macker
    431 | November 5, 2009 5:10 pm

    livefreeor die wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    his cousin is on fnc right now LYING about the major.
    the cousin cant even get the yearly pay right. the muslim cousin will not deviate from the CAIR line that this is from harassment of his dear harmless cousin, the gentle psychiatrist.
    the muslim lie continues…it was harassment that made him do it.

    Um-if this is how he handled stress, I’d hate to find out what kind of advice he gave his patients.

    Probably something along the lines of “Go and find a rock or tree, and you will see a Jew and/or Christian hiding under/behind it, and you must kill it.”


  429. mawskrat
    432 | November 5, 2009 5:12 pm

    albusteve
    Thu, Nov 5, 2009 4:44:18pm replyquote 4downupreport

    re: #703 rsquare

    just because I don’t like you doesn’t mean I go to those stalker blogs, ask Charles if I do.

    I’ve been posting here longer than you, just not as prodigiously as you.

    so what?…to dismiss a poster of Sharmuta’s caliber only tends to make you irrelevant……………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    i think i’m gonna puke


  430. davehm
    433 | November 5, 2009 5:12 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    It’s just so fascinating how the leftist try to protect the religion that wants them dead and in the same breath blame all the Christians for societies ill’s.


  431. buzzsawmonkey
    434 | November 5, 2009 5:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    That’s why he hired a lawyer, so he could get out of being deployed.

    Given that he would have taken the Army’s dime for school while the current conflicts were on, the fact that he did take the money and was basically then trying to abrogate the conditions he agreed to abide by when he took it is…well, kind of despicable, is it not?


  432. snork
    435 | November 5, 2009 5:13 pm

    From Ed Driscoll’s site/PJM:

    84. Donna V.:

    coisty: Johnson isn’t interested unless they can find a tie-in with the Discovery Institute or Palin or European “fascists.”

    Caring about the victims of Islamic terrorism is just so 2003 at LGF. They’ve moved on. Creationists are a much bigger threat to the planet, dontcha know?

    I thought we were the only place where we talked about that place.


  433. MightyConservative
    436 | November 5, 2009 5:13 pm

    The site is slow because there are a LOT of users on right now.


  434. jakee308
    437 | November 5, 2009 5:15 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    You are correct there. Muslims consider themselves Slaves of Allah. All else follows from that. Slaves have existed in most all societies at some point in the past. Islam initiated the first slave markets on the Ivory Coast. They sent the slaves to the souks in Arabia and Persia. Egypt enslaved the Nubians long before beige colored people crawled out of their Long houses in Europa.

    In conclusion, therefore, we may say that slave (‘abd) means the one who is enslaved by Allâh and who submits and humbles himself to Him.


  435. wolfie
    438 | November 5, 2009 5:16 pm

    @ calcajun:

    You can’t ban Nazism and Marxism-Leninism, but you can ban Nazis and Communists from entering the country. Likewise you can ban emperor-worshippers. I should think you could ban Salafist Muslims.

    If you weren’t PC, I mean. And if you recognized them as an enemy.


  436. 439 | November 5, 2009 5:17 pm

    @ calcajun:

    Animal sacrifice is protected under the First Amendment. I don’t recall the case, but it was involving Santaria and, IIRC, chickens.

    Human sacrifice, like the Mohammedans periodically perform, is an entirely different thing. Whether it is murder or suicide, make no mistake that these freaks are sacrificing to their Blood God.


  437. snork
    440 | November 5, 2009 5:17 pm

    @ mawskrat:

    Well, I’m Suzie’s friend, and you’re icky…


  438. 441 | November 5, 2009 5:18 pm

    @ calcajun:

    Sorry but I disagree, Islam should be banned as a hostile Political movement whose sole intent is the violent overthrow of the American system of Representative Democracy. The banning of Mormon Polygamy is a perfect example of the US banning religious practices detrimental to the values and security of the United States of America.


  439. Speranza
    442 | November 5, 2009 5:18 pm

    @ jakee308:
    My vote for him is to marry Sharmuta.


  440. jakee308
    443 | November 5, 2009 5:19 pm

    @ calcajun:
    I think that a death cult that believes that everyone must believe in their god or die, qualifies. NO?


  441. 444 | November 5, 2009 5:20 pm

    @ snork:

    Donna V. is good people. She posts here from time to time.


  442. 445 | November 5, 2009 5:22 pm

    @ mawskrat:

    Unreal, man. Totally unreal.


  443. snork
    446 | November 5, 2009 5:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Meanwhile in the UK, a court decides that Global Warming constitutes a religion for the purposes of legal protection. And employer has to make accommodations for an employee who has a religious objection to high-carbon travel.

    Jezuz, what’s happening?


  444. song_and_dance_man
    447 | November 5, 2009 5:24 pm

    Fort Hood and Killeen Texas was one the best years of my life.


  445. lobo91
    448 | November 5, 2009 5:25 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Absolutely.

    Had he not gone to med school, he would have already completed his initial 8 year obligation (including the inactive portion), and resigned his commission by now.

    He chose to accept a 7 year active service obligation in exchange for the Army paying his way through med school (and simultaneously paying him, while he attended school, BTW). Since he couldn’t get out, he went on a shooting spree.

    “Good American,” my ass.


  446. 449 | November 5, 2009 5:25 pm

    Ace just went down.


  447. jakee308
    450 | November 5, 2009 5:26 pm

    @ mawskrat:
    Notice the hierarchy: This poster is of higher caliber than that poster.

    This is some of what I spoke about yesterday. I also wrote some guidelines to remind folks that there is a different basis for the community here and we need to remind everyone new, old and emigre’s from 1.0 — we’re all equal here. there is no commenter hierarchy there is no scorecard or at least there shouldn’t be.

    All who visit and comment are equal. With certain limits of propriety and taste, all comments are equal in value.


  448. calcajun
    451 | November 5, 2009 5:26 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    That was the case I was referring to. I thought that they could not do it because of a health and safety issue, not on a religious basis; something about the worship area not being zoned for a slaughterhouse.

    As for human sacrifice, an argument could be made that we’re doing it anyway with abortion (another topic for another time)


  449. jakee308
    452 | November 5, 2009 5:29 pm

    jakee308 wrote:

    @ mawskrat:
    Notice the hierarchy: This poster is of higher caliber than that poster.
    This is some of what I spoke about yesterday. I also wrote some guidelines to remind folks that there is a different basis for the community here and we need to remind everyone new, old and emigre’s from 1.0 — we’re all equal here. there is no commenter hierarchy there is no scorecard or at least there shouldn’t be.
    All who visit and comment are equal. With certain limits of propriety and taste, all comments are equal in value.

    Consider this like the Covenant of the Brotherhood of the Coast: These ain’t RULES or such. More like Guidelines and Recommendations .

    1. Assume YOU’RE the newby in any initial contact.

    2. Follow the Golden Rule.

    3. There is no scorecard here.

    4. Walk softly.

    5. Talk quietly.

    6. Assume nothing about others.

    7. Conduct yourself as you would in a strange Bar.

    8. After taking the ‘temperature’ of the crowd, introduce yourself.

    9. Because some here know you doesn’t mean they all know you.

    10. If you cross someone by accident, apologize.


  450. 453 | November 5, 2009 5:29 pm

    @ calcajun:

    Not that I recall. IIRC, the Court protected animal sacrifice. It’s been 20 years since I had Con Law, though, so it is possible I misremember.

    Abortion is a sacrement to the Left, but, as you say, that is a topic for another time.


  451. davehm
    454 | November 5, 2009 5:30 pm

    There’s a lot of chaos over at the swamp, it seems that some are speaking their minds, I wonder how long that’ll last?


  452. 455 | November 5, 2009 5:31 pm

    calcajun wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    That was the case I was referring to. I thought that they could not do it because of a health and safety issue, not on a religious basis; something about the worship area not being zoned for a slaughterhouse.
    As for human sacrifice, an argument could be made that we’re doing it anyway with abortion (another topic for another time)

    The US constitution is NOT a SUICIDE PACK, and we should start acting in our own best interests.


  453. theTarCzar
    456 | November 5, 2009 5:31 pm

    @ Macker:
    Mohammedan=hangin out at chuckEcheese checkin out the hotties?


  454. jakee308
    457 | November 5, 2009 5:32 pm

    @ Speranza:
    OUCh, that’ll leave a mark. Who’s the dominant?


  455. calcajun
    458 | November 5, 2009 5:33 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    I do appreciate the point and I admit to having the same thoughts, myself. But from a practical and legal sense, it just cannot be done. It would make us hypocrites in the eyes of the world and hearken back to some of our more odious mass-civil rights violations from the WWII internment camps to the Trail of Tears. What you want can never be achieved unless there were worse than 9-11 and our society becomes a quasi-militaristic state.


  456. Macker
    459 | November 5, 2009 5:35 pm

    @ davehm:

    Look for another round of purgings soon?


  457. snork
    460 | November 5, 2009 5:35 pm

    davehm wrote:

    There’s a lot of chaos over at the swamp, it seems that some are speaking their minds, I wonder how long that’ll last?

    Until the Fedex guy shows up with the buttwipe.


  458. davehm
    461 | November 5, 2009 5:36 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    The religion of Islam requires conversion of non Muslims or destruction of those who will not convert, based on the writings of their koran and the practice of murder I would say it should be outlawed, that’s a no brainer.


  459. Macker
    462 | November 5, 2009 5:36 pm

    @ theTarCzar:

    Which hotties?


  460. buzzsawmonkey
    463 | November 5, 2009 5:37 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    The US constitution is NOT a SUICIDE PACK, and we should start acting in our own best interests.

    “Pact.”

    A “suicide pack” is what splodeydopes wear.


  461. jakee308
    464 | November 5, 2009 5:37 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I believe you’re correct though I don’t remember details. Miami I believe. I think they were being charged with cruelty?

    Here we go.

    Hialeah. close.


  462. 465 | November 5, 2009 5:39 pm

    calcajun wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I do appreciate the point and I admit to having the same thoughts, myself. But from a practical and legal sense, it just cannot be done. It would make us hypocrites in the eyes of the world and hearken back to some of our more odious mass-civil rights violations from the WWII internment camps to the Trail of Tears. What you want can never be achieved unless there were worse than 9-11 and our society becomes a quasi-militaristic state.

    Then fuck the rest of the world… If we do not git rid of the Muslims we will become another Lebanon or Somalia. I do not want to have to see that or god forbid a nuke go off in one of our cities because we allowed Muslims to use our constitution against us.


  463. 466 | November 5, 2009 5:41 pm

    davehm wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    The religion of Islam requires conversion of non Muslims or destruction of those who will not convert, based on the writings of their koran and the practice of murder I would say it should be outlawed, that’s a no brainer.

    Exactly… Anyone who doesnt understand this has serious denial problems…


  464. theTarCzar
    468 | November 5, 2009 5:43 pm

    @ Macker:
    The Mohammedan type.


  465. jakee308
    469 | November 5, 2009 5:44 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    calcajun wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    The US constitution is NOT a SUICIDE PACK, and we should start acting in our own best interests.

    Justice Robert H. Jackson:

    Jackson’s dissent in this case is most famous for its final paragraph:

    This Court has gone far toward accepting the doctrine that civil liberty means the removal of all restraints from these crowds and that all local attempts to maintain order are impairments of the liberty of the citizen. The choice is not between order and liberty. It is between liberty with order and anarchy without either. There is danger that, if the Court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact.

    337 U.S. at 36.

    I used to use that as my ‘motto’ at Redstate. It’s a good pithy argument to all the ‘living Constitution’ morons.


  466. 470 | November 5, 2009 5:48 pm

    @ jakee308:

    That’s it. Thanks. I didn’t recall all the details.


  467. snork
    471 | November 5, 2009 5:48 pm

    @ loppyd:

    More here:


  468. davehm
    472 | November 5, 2009 5:49 pm

    @ loppyd:

    “Federal law enforcement officials say Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

    The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author.

    One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

    that from fox.


  469. Guggi
    474 | November 5, 2009 5:51 pm

    Federal law enforcement officials say Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

    The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author.

    One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

    They say an official investigation was not opened.


  470. snork
    475 | November 5, 2009 5:51 pm

    @ loppyd:

    And more:

    AP sources: Authorities had concerns about suspect


  471. jakee308
    476 | November 5, 2009 5:52 pm

    @ calcajun:
    Frankly, if you took the link from your pocket and measured your concern about it, it still would be less than the concern I have for what the freaking world would think of us protecting ourselves from our DECLARED ENEMIES! Maybe banning would be too harsh but how about this:

    1. all mosques to be open to any to visit.

    2. all imams and their teachings available for questions weekly/monthly by the citizenry.

    3. the koran explained and interpreted into plain english.

    In other words they must allow all into their houses of worship just like all the other religions.

    Yes they may have areas that are sacrosanct. Yes, any visitors must comport themselves with reverence and respect.

    Open the Doors Muslims!!!


  472. Guggi
    477 | November 5, 2009 5:52 pm

    Hasan was working with soldiers at Darnall Army Medical Center on Fort Hood after being transfered in July from Walter Reed Army Medical Center, where he had worked for six years before recently receiving a poor review.


  473. calcajun
    478 | November 5, 2009 5:52 pm

    You are correct-- it is not a “pact” (preview is your friend :) )

    But, it is a social contract applicable to all Americans. The argument boils down to the fact that we are all free to associate and worship according to our conscience and that the State may make no laws favoring the establishment on any one religion. That being said, there is room for Islam in America-- really.

    But, as with any religion, there is always a sect-- a fringe--which out of fear and insecurity wants more than the contract allows. Then you have groups like the Klan, the American Nazis, Jonestown, the Branch Davidians, etc. who want to exercise their political and religious rights at the expense of others or feel that they are beyond our laws and customs. It is with those groups that conflict is almost inevitable.

    The problem is how to combat them without giving them the symbolic victory--namely the erosion of the First Amendment. You can’t ban them, outlaw or otherwise corral them without making them martyrs and ourselves hypocrites. I just do not see how that can be done. If you do so, then you set a dangerous precedent for other potentially worse groups to follow. You might solve one immediate problem and set the stage for something worse.

    Or, put another way, what good is fighting a war to preserve a way of life when you end up irrevocably changing it?


  474. mawskrat
    479 | November 5, 2009 5:52 pm

    oh well it’s time to sell stuff at the swamp

    Tech Review: Apple’s Magic Mouse
    Technology | Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:23:37 pm PST


  475. 480 | November 5, 2009 5:53 pm

    @ snork:

    Just posted that, thanks.


  476. jakee308
    481 | November 5, 2009 5:54 pm

    @ jakee308:
    crap. LINT not LINK.


  477. 482 | November 5, 2009 5:59 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ loppyd:
    And more:
    AP sources: Authorities had concerns about suspect

    Unbelievable. And they were going to deploy him??


  478. calcajun
    483 | November 5, 2009 6:01 pm

    @ jakee308:
    Well, that’s a bit draconian. But, as only Nixon could go to China, and only a priest like Luther could reform the Church, if there is to be a Muslim Reformation, it has to come from within. Otherwise, it’s only the kaffirs dictating to them again--and the resentment will keep on building.

    I really do understand the sentiment--honestly. But the reality is that what y’all are clamoring for won’t happen--not even after today (and it’s looking like he was a lone gunman as the two others were released) The only way what you want will come to pass is if something bigger than 9-11 happens. Of course, it will mean the end of our country as we know it as we will become more like a police state. God forbid.


  479. 484 | November 5, 2009 6:02 pm

    @ calcajun:

    What utter and complete BULLSHIT……… Islam wants to destroy us and then force whomever survives to submit to Islam. All Muslims should be considered domestic enemies of the United States and treated exactly as such.


  480. 485 | November 5, 2009 6:02 pm

    Ahhhh Lint. thank you.


  481. snork
    486 | November 5, 2009 6:02 pm

    @ loppyd:

    What I want to know is, if the civilian authorities were watching him, WFT were the military authorities doing?


  482. Nilla
    487 | November 5, 2009 6:03 pm

    @ loppyd:
    That’s going to be a real black mark on the FBI if they knew he was on the edge, yet he was still allowed on base.


  483. 488 | November 5, 2009 6:05 pm

    @ calcajun:

    Not really the place to fight about it, but until the Clinton Administration kicked in their door the Branch Davidians hadn’t exactly gone on a killing spree the way Mohammedans have for, well, thousands of years.

    If we can single out the Branch Davidians, then the Mohammedans should fall eaisly under that umbrella of restricting those who are out of the norm. Indeed, comparatively the Branch Davidians aren’t as strange as, say, Hindus or, for that matter, evangelical atheists.


  484. 489 | November 5, 2009 6:05 pm

    @ calcajun:

    There can never ever be a Islamic Reformation, according to Mohammad, pig piss be upon him, the Koran is perfect. Islam is perfect. Any change would be a perversion and those suggesting it deserving of DEATH.


  485. waldensianspirit
    490 | November 5, 2009 6:07 pm

    Who was Malik Nadal Hasan’s immamcommander?


  486. waldensianspirit
    491 | November 5, 2009 6:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Where is Janet Reno when you need her?


  487. Silhouette
    492 | November 5, 2009 6:12 pm

    Many times when we read that would-be jihadists were caught, they also say that they were under investigation for some time. Like the recent guy, Najibullah Zazi, in Colorado.

    I always wondered what the fallout would be if one of these acted while still under investigation.


  488. waldensianspirit
    493 | November 5, 2009 6:13 pm

    @ jakee308:
    The average American has about 4004 weekends a life time. Why would I want to waste one in a mosque?


  489. buzzsawmonkey
    494 | November 5, 2009 6:13 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    evangelical atheists

    “Evangelical atheists?” What do you mean? How dare you! Atheism isn’t a religion, and atheists don’t behave like those troglodytic, crazy religious people!

    /iceweasel off


  490. 495 | November 5, 2009 6:15 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Oh, they’d never let someone like Reno massacre Mohammedans like that. Slobodan Milisovic did, and the Clinton Administration bombed his entire country for it.


  491. 496 | November 5, 2009 6:17 pm

    shooter not dead


  492. snork
    497 | November 5, 2009 6:18 pm

    OT, but very interesting:

    Venezuela bans violent video games

    They say that these video games glorify violence. I think they have another agenda.


  493. davehm
    498 | November 5, 2009 6:20 pm

    @ calcajun:

    There was never a real reformation, just a break from the Roman Catholic church, biblical Christianity has been the same for the last 2000 years, the only noticeable difference is from 1st-4th century A.D. the church was underground due to persecution now we meet publicly in buildings.


  494. 499 | November 5, 2009 6:23 pm

    @ loppyd:

    Yeah, I heard that. I’m not sure how to feel about that. If he acted as a lone jihadi, then I’d just as soon cut his throat and drop him in a hole. OTOH, if he had help, assistance, encouragement, etc. I want to find those motherfuckers, cut their throats, and drop them in a hole. It can be the same hole. An unmarked, unhallowed mass grave wouldn’t hurt my feelings…


  495. snork
    500 | November 5, 2009 6:24 pm

    @ loppyd:

    Can’t they do anything right?


  496. calcajun
    501 | November 5, 2009 6:25 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    OK. How do you do it and not destroy the Constitution? And no--it’s not BS-- it is the way the law works.


  497. calcajun
    502 | November 5, 2009 6:27 pm

    @ loppyd:
    Huh? Oh, lovely. I see an Oprah interview in the near future.


  498. snork
    503 | November 5, 2009 6:27 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    With a hog carcass.


  499. waldensianspirit
    504 | November 5, 2009 6:29 pm

    @ loppyd:
    You mean every low-life lawyer’s dream defendant because he is still breathing?


  500. coldwarrior
    505 | November 5, 2009 6:30 pm

    islam delenda est.

    when will we learn the lessons that the koran has for us in the pages as statements to whomever reads it?

    islam is not a religion it is a hostile, arab imperialist-fascist movement bent on creation of the ummah and destruction of those who will not convert.

    did we allow communist-vietcong into the american army in the 1960′s?

    did we allow nazis into the army in the 1940′s?

    why do we allow these islamofascists into our military now?

    there will be no peace as long asa islam is alive.


  501. calcajun
    506 | November 5, 2009 6:31 pm

    @ davehm:
    I do know this-- but -oh dear. We’re gonna go careening off the topic and into history lessons.


  502. waldensianspirit
    507 | November 5, 2009 6:34 pm

    @ calcajun:
    Ask President Thomas Jefferson. He already did it.


    I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” — Thomas Jefferson


  503. calcajun
    508 | November 5, 2009 6:35 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Well, if he’s alive and lives, he might give up his allies. But, I heard the other two were cut lose.

    Not to sound like I’m supporting CJ, but this may be one lone nut who was torn over potential deployment and just snapped. We’re getting different stories right now, I say let the story play out for a few hours and see what develops.


  504. snork
    509 | November 5, 2009 6:35 pm

    Give this guy a medal for courage:

    1094 albusteve Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:12:26pm

    re: #1089 jaunte

    Bigel wasn’t much fun. Mostly he wanted to nuke all of Europe in revenge for the Holocaust.

    now that he is long gone…Bigel was a major asshole

    So you have to wait for four years before saying anything?


  505. snork
    510 | November 5, 2009 6:37 pm

    1065 Sean[deleted] Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:04:23pm

    * -12
    * down
    * up

    LGF, it’s everything it never used to be.

    We’ll save a chair for you, Sean.


  506. calcajun
    511 | November 5, 2009 6:37 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Huh? I don’t see what you’re driving at. Dorian wants mass expulsions or Islam in American driven underground. What has TJ’s rant got to do with this?


  507. waldensianspirit
    512 | November 5, 2009 6:43 pm

    @ calcajun:
    Rant?


  508. calcajun
    513 | November 5, 2009 6:44 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    did we allow nazis into the army in the 1940’s?

    You might be surprised. The guard the was assigned to Goering at Nuremberg was alleged to have helped the old Nazi kill himself. IOW, we may have let them in-- we just did not know it.

    Oh, and the VC did not get into the US Army- but they sure as hell got into the ARVN.


  509. waldensianspirit
    514 | November 5, 2009 6:46 pm

    Obviously calcajun never heard of the the Marine Hymn: “From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli.”


  510. 515 | November 5, 2009 6:46 pm

    Guys and Dolls, I’m wiped. I don’t know anyone in that area of the world (unless Reaganite is there; all I know is he is in Texas, or was last I heard), but I feel for the victims and their families. And I have no sympathey for their murderer or any who would try and lift the burden of this awful crime from his shoulders.

    Goodnight.


  511. calcajun
    516 | November 5, 2009 6:46 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Well, it sounded like one--the “I have sworn” language and all.


  512. 517 | November 5, 2009 6:48 pm

    @ calcajun:

    Did the interment and confiscation of the property of all Japanese Americans break the US constitution, no it did not. Round them up and deport them, declare them domestic enemies of the United States and be done with them. What you don’t seem capable of understanding is, this is a life and death struggle for the United States.

    If you want to live in Somali or Lebanon, fine, move there. I don’t and I don’t want my country turned into Somali or Lebanon because some pussy was afraid to defend themselves. Yes, it really is like that… Now you choose, The United States of America… Or Somali or Lebanon…


  513. coldwarrior
    518 | November 5, 2009 6:49 pm

    @ calcajun:

    an mp at neuremberg…

    the arvn….

    please.


  514. coldwarrior
    519 | November 5, 2009 6:52 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ calcajun:
    Did the interment and confiscation of the property of all Japanese Americans break the US constitution, no it did not. Round them up and deport them, declare them domestic enemies of the United States and be done with them. What you don’t seem capable of understanding is, this is a life and death struggle for the United States.
    If you want to live in Somali or Lebanon, fine, move there. I don’t and I don’t want my country turned into Somali or Lebanon because some pussy was afraid to defend themselves. Yes, it really is like that… Now you choose, The United States of America… Or Somali or Lebanon…

    BINGO!

    islam is not a religion!!!!


  515. calcajun
    520 | November 5, 2009 6:57 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    And that has got what to do with what? How many non-sequetiurs waldensianspirit wrote:

    Obviously calcajun never heard of the the Marine Hymn: “From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli.”

    And this has got to do with what, exactly? Have you a penchant for non sequiturs? Have you a point other than the one beneath your hat?/ Elaborate.


  516. jas
    521 | November 5, 2009 6:59 pm

    I still cannot get over President Numbnutz and his “shout-out” to start the press conference. I said to my wife, all he has to do is make it brief, give condolences to the families, and move on, and I’d give him props. Instead, he F’s it up. He has NO comprehension of leadership, or what it’s supposed to mean to be President. This wasn’t about him being a Democrat. Clinton would not have behaved in this manner. He’s a complete ass.

    My son is US Army and has been through Ft. Hood on his way out, and on his way back from Iraq. I cannot imagine any family member appreciating President Douchenozzle’s behavior today.


  517. waldensianspirit
    522 | November 5, 2009 7:11 pm

    Obviously calcajun doesn’t know how to spell non sequitur and that it doesn’t have a dash.


  518. 523 | November 5, 2009 7:12 pm

    W00t w00t… I just got a call from my congresscritter, Duncan D Hunter… A live Telephone Town Hall meeting about Pelosicare…


  519. calcajun
    524 | November 5, 2009 7:18 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ calcajun:
    Did the interment and confiscation of the property of all Japanese Americans break the US constitution, no it did not. Round them up and deport them, declare them domestic enemies of the United States and be done with them. What you don’t seem capable of understanding is, this is a life and death struggle for the United States.
    If you want to live in Somali or Lebanon, fine, move there. I don’t and I don’t want my country turned into Somali or Lebanon because some pussy was afraid to defend themselves. Yes, it really is like that… Now you choose, The United States of America… Or Somali or Lebanon…

    If we are truly in a life and death struggle, then what you suggest could very well accelerate the process. You are not talking about a mere 200,000 people as was the case in WWII--and yes, the Constitution took a blow there. There are several million muslims in this country of various ethnic backgrounds which you cannot easily intern or deport. You would create a firestorm of litigation of people fighting deportation and civil unrest. You would have a religion/faith system outlawed in a modern country and driven underground. If the Soviets and the Chinese can’t stamp out docile Christianity in their realms, how on earth do you propose we enforce the ban on a far more militant and aggressive sect?

    More importantly, this is exactly what they want us to do. Have you missed the part where they crave martyrdom? If we step up persecution from a series of perceived slights and insults (i.e.; The Breslin Bar daring to show its patrons drinking near a mosque) to actual bona fide state-sanctioned policy, can you imagine the effect? I do not know if you can see it, but you are reacting exactly how they want you to--you are being drawn into their game. They are Brear Rabbit wanting to be thrown into the briar patch. Don’t play it.

    Again, I understand what you want and part of me agrees. I just do not see how it can be done either logistically or legally--not without destroying the thing that makes our country what it is. If we do that, they win. You do want you want and it will be you that turns this country in to something worse than the examples you cited.


  520. calcajun
    525 | November 5, 2009 7:24 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Neighbor! Where in SD are you?


  521. calcajun
    526 | November 5, 2009 7:29 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Don’t blame me--Firefox keeps crashing on me.

    And you still have not answered the question, either. If you have a point, make it.

    But, time for dinner. Later.


  522. Buckeye Abroad
    527 | November 6, 2009 4:36 am

    435. snork

    From Ed Driscoll’s site/PJM:
    Donna V.

    I remember her posts from the old days. Donna V is ok.

    The fallout from 1.0 took a few years-- some of us ended up here, the rest found other homes.


  523. Buckeye Abroad
    528 | November 6, 2009 4:51 am

    515. Ironfist

    “(unless Reaganite is there; all I know is he is in Texas, or was last I heard),”

    I briefly heard from him about 6 months ago… he is going/went thru some hard times.


  524. 529 | November 6, 2009 5:38 am

    Can anyone read this? I cannot access the most recent thread to post.


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