Fort Hood shooter was member of Homeland Security Panel advising Obama

by tqcincinnatus ( 132 Comments › )
Filed under Islamic Invasion, Islamic Terrorism, Islamists, Terrorism at November 7th, 2009 - 10:18 am

Here’s something else that we’ll all bury our heads in the sand about, if we know what’s good for us.  Nidal Hasan was a member of an independent panel offering advice to President Obama on homeland security issues, (Hat Tip: Scott Madsen)

The gunman who killed 12 people today at Ft. Hood appears, based on current media reports, to be Army psychiatrist Nidal Hasan who was listed as a participant in a Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force last year.

The task force was not officially affiliated with the White House. It was a project of the Homeland Security Policy Institute, an independent thinktank housed at George Washington University, aimed at drafting policy recommendations for the incoming Obama administration.

According to the task force’s May 2009 report [pdf], a “Nidal Hasan” from the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine was a task force event participant. Other participants included Senate and House staffers, Department of Homeland Security officials, Defense Department officials, and reporters for Politico, the Washington Post, and the London Times….

I’m sure you feel safer already. I realise that this was an independent group that is not officially affiliated with the Obama adminstration, but all the same, you’d have thought that somebody would do a little checking into the background, opinions, and written works of the members of a board that will be presenting policy recommendations to the President of the United States, would you not? Like the fact that he expressed support for suicide bombers on publicly-accessible Islamist sites?

Or that he used a medical lecture to his colleagues as an opportunity to lecture on how the Qur’an calls for decapitation of non-believers. 

Or how he was placed on probation one time for repeatedly trying to proselytise his patients and colleagues to Islam.

Or how he was on the record as stating that the war on terror was a war on Islam, and that radical Muslims in the Middle East had the “right” to stand up against aggressors (i.e. the US and her allies)?

He was moderate. He was sane. He wasn’t scary or radical. Until he ambushed 13 U.S. soldiers while shouting “Allah Akbar”.

But remember folks, aside from the “Allah Akbar” shouting and the support for suicide bombers and the apparent belief that the US was the enemy of his religion and his understanding that it’s perfectly OK to kill unbelievers because they are unbelievers, there’s no reason to rush to judgment on this matter.  I mean, who knows?  We might find out that He watched a lot of Glenn Beck and followed Sarah Palin tweets while surfing the Discovery Institute’s website, right?

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  1. 1 | November 7, 2009 10:30 am

    Interesting. but let’s not rush to judgement… he may have snapped because someone may have called him a name when he was 6….

    CLEARLY he wasn’t a radical……

    (for those unaware, that is called sarcasm)


  2. snork
    2 | November 7, 2009 10:31 am

    Hasan was one of the least radical of Obama’s advisers.


  3. 3 | November 7, 2009 10:32 am

    Obama loves radicals.


  4. lobo91
    4 | November 7, 2009 10:35 am

    According to my dictionary, “Allahu Ackbar” means “Shoot me now!”


  5. vagabond trader
    5 | November 7, 2009 10:36 am

    but but but he was insane. Someone told me that yesterday.


  6. vagabond trader
    6 | November 7, 2009 10:38 am

    Just curious who determines which special minorities receive such generous educational opportunities.


  7. 7 | November 7, 2009 10:44 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    Why Obama’s Special American Hating Minorities Czar of course…


  8. CloudyDay
    8 | November 7, 2009 10:48 am

    I think the guy probably was motivated by a combination of Islam and mental problems. But some folks are still debating the motivations/causes:

    Terrorism or Tragic Shooting? Analysts Divided on Fort Hood Massacre


  9. Poteen
    9 | November 7, 2009 10:49 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Just curious who determines which special minorities receive such generous educational opportunities.

    My kids don’t have to check the ‘white’ box on college financial aid apps, and I made damn sure they didn’t.
    Makes a difference.
    Myself ,however, being of Irish heritage and having more of my people killed by the ‘Anglos’ over the last millenium than most of the other ethnic groups, get only to check ‘other’ if I’m feeling surly. Which is all the time lately.


  10. vagabond trader
    10 | November 7, 2009 10:49 am

    @ CloudyDay:

    Yes, his “mental problem” = Islam.


  11. vagabond trader
    11 | November 7, 2009 10:50 am

    @ Poteen:

    The only box that should be on any app is American yes or no. Period.


  12. snork
    12 | November 7, 2009 10:51 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    Speaking of psychological pathology, I think it’s pretty evident that Obama hates his white side. This is not an uncommon result when minority dad steps out on white mom. I’ve seen it before. The biracial males quite often have real issues that the “full racial” (to the extent that such a thing exists) don’t have.

    Why Michelle is so full of hatred and venom is another question entirely.


  13. vagabond trader
    13 | November 7, 2009 10:54 am

    @ snork:

    He has abandonment issues for sure. Daddy was a drunken commie bigamist pos so naturaly the abandoned child is forever saddled with a need to please the absent parent.


  14. 14 | November 7, 2009 10:57 am

    @ Poteen:

    As an American whose ancestors just happen to be of Scottish/Irish origins I just want to point out that you are clearly being a RACIST…. /s


  15. lobo91
    15 | November 7, 2009 10:57 am

    @ CloudyDay:

    From your link:

    Phares said he doesn’t expect the shooting to be ruled an act of terrorism because he believes the Obama administration has made a political calculation to not fight a war on terror. He cited the administration’s decision to substitute “Overseas Contingency Operation” for the “global war on terror.”

    “Had this occurred under the previous administration or any other previous administration, the natural position would have been America is under attack,” he said. “It would have been a different posture. Now because a strategic decision has been made to disengage, our efforts will be suffering. They’re not going to coin it as terrorism.”

    Bingo.


  16. vagabond trader
    16 | November 7, 2009 11:00 am

    @ lobo91:

    Well of course bho isn’t ever going to call anything terrorism because this is clearly a man caused disaster perpetrated by a victim who was frightened of going on an overseas contingency operation. Plus he is insane///


  17. 17 | November 7, 2009 11:03 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama loves radicals.

    Thread winner.
    Obama surrounds himself with radicals and always has.


  18. snork
    18 | November 7, 2009 11:03 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    His mom wasn’t anything to write home about either, but at least the grandparents took care of him. Not that he showed any gratitude to them, mind you.


  19. 19 | November 7, 2009 11:04 am

    @ lobo91:

    Obama acted like a giddy school girl when he made the announcement of the attack at Ft. Hood. The Obama administration is not going to prosecute the War on Terrorism because while perhaps it is true that not all Muslims are actively terrorists, all active terrorists today ARE Muslims. Muslims do not condemn Muslims, as 4 Sticks would say… I’m just sayin…


  20. livefreeor die
    20 | November 7, 2009 11:08 am

    Attention, liberal apologists in the MSM and the current administration,
    I don’t care who picked on him when. He did not have the right to murder 13 people. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp?
    Has half the country had a lobotomy?


  21. snork
    21 | November 7, 2009 11:09 am

    livefreeor die wrote:

    Has half the country had a lobotomy?

    The MSM don’t constitute half the country.


  22. Poteen
    22 | November 7, 2009 11:09 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ Poteen:
    As an American whose ancestors just happen to be of Scottish/Irish origins I just want to point out that you are clearly being a RACIST…. /s

    My girls tried that. Got ‘em spanked.
    Some in this country need to be spanked as adults./


  23. jeppo
    23 | November 7, 2009 11:11 am

    Nidal Hasan was clearly one of those bitter flyover-country types who bitterly cling to their guns and religion, just like the president warned us about.

    /


  24. 24 | November 7, 2009 11:12 am

    @ livefreeor die:

    It’s obvious you need sensitivity training.
    No Free Stuff for you!
    Please return all your Hope & Change and go stand in the corner.

    /Dr Phil, over and out………of touch!


  25. lobo91
    25 | November 7, 2009 11:13 am

    @ doriangrey:

    The bottom line is, the Obama administration is betting the farm on the idea that if we don’t fight the terrorists overseas, they’ll leave us alone.

    This is the same idiotic strategy followed by the Clinton administration (which should be no surprise, given the number of Clinton retreads–including his wife–serving in this administration). That strategy got us the 9/11 attacks.


  26. snork
    26 | November 7, 2009 11:14 am

    Jeez, Louise:

    Gibbs: Can you imagine if, five years ago, protesters had compared our government to Hitler?

    This guy ain’t the brightest candle in the pumpkin, is he?


  27. yah
    27 | November 7, 2009 11:15 am

    Seems that every adviser Obama has hates Americans, especially white Christian ones. It is the elephant in the room that nobody dares mention.


  28. lobo91
    28 | November 7, 2009 11:17 am

    @ snork:

    I don’t even know how to respond to that, it’s so incredibly stupid.


  29. vagabond trader
    29 | November 7, 2009 11:17 am

    An interesting little interview with a co religioinist from Hasans mosque in Kileen TX.Oh yeah, Hasan “mentored” the young man..

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199501.php


  30. snork
    30 | November 7, 2009 11:18 am

    @ lobo91:

    He’s also expecting that they’ll hold their fire because he’s a friendly force. I’m sure that’s what Clinton was thinking. They don’t understand the mindset at all.


  31. 31 | November 7, 2009 11:19 am

    @ lobo91:

    You assume his motives are so benign, I do not. I believe he is fully aware of what the consequences of his actions will be and he engages in them because he believe that the chaos and destruction they will bring will help him achieve his end goals.


  32. lobo91
    32 | November 7, 2009 11:19 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    I sure hope the FBI is watching this guy.


  33. 33 | November 7, 2009 11:20 am

    @ snork:

    Gibbs is another incorrect person.

    Power to the Correct People!
    (They know their history.)


  34. yah
    34 | November 7, 2009 11:27 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    An interesting little interview with a co religioinist from Hasans mosque in Kileen TX.Oh yeah, Hasan “mentored” the young man..
    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199501.php

    How can you call that anything but jihad?


  35. Overlook
    35 | November 7, 2009 11:38 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Who cares whether a few Muslims – individuals or spokesmen for groups – decide to express shame and horror at what their co-religionists do in the name of religion? They always exculpate the religion. And the next step is to cower from potential Islamophobic backlash. The less we hear from these good American citizens, the less we will be sidetracked and ambushed by political correctness.
    What we need are tighter security forces recruitment and immigration rules which profile for religious devoutness in Muslims. Islam as practiced by certain people is a political ideology that is incompatible with the American Constitution.


  36. Beltfed
    36 | November 7, 2009 11:38 am

    Let’s see,

    He shouted Allah snackbar while shooting innocent unarmed soldiers.

    He was devout mooslim.

    Was looking for wife that wore the hijab and prayed five times a day, (according to his Imam)

    Opposed the war because they were killing moolims.

    This piece of crap sure does sound like duck. (apologizes to real ducks)


  37. wolfie
    37 | November 7, 2009 11:41 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    Good find, VT!!!

    Outside of confirming the view that this massacre was clearly jihadist, note this key passage:

    “Duane : They were, in the end, they were troops who were going to Afghanistan and Iraq to kill Muslims. I honestly have no pity for them. It’s just like the majority of the people that will hear this, after five or six minutes they’ll be shocked, after that they’ll forget about them and go on their day.

    He’s right about that, and it’s one of the major reasons why we have a bigger and bigger problem.


  38. lobo91
    38 | November 7, 2009 11:44 am

    @ doriangrey:

    I do hesitate to assume malice as a motivation where stupidity or naievete is just as possible.

    Regardless of their motivation, the end result is going to be the same: a lot more dead Americans.


  39. Overlook
    40 | November 7, 2009 11:53 am

    @ lobo91:

    Stupidity and naivete are necessary to an unquestioning belief in Islam. Shooting Kufar is not maliciious if it is a religious reflex.


  40. snork
    41 | November 7, 2009 11:54 am

    In honor of the lady who took the terrorist down:


  41. Overlook
    42 | November 7, 2009 12:00 pm

    @ snork:

    Firearms training should be part of high-school civics class. It should replace mandated “community” work.


  42. RickZ
    43 | November 7, 2009 12:04 pm

    Of course Obie doesn’t want the American people to jump to conclusions regarding this muslim jihadi killer. Geez, traitors in this White House and Administration? Perish the thought, or we’ll perish you. And with hellthcare reform, they’re working on that angle, too.


  43. vagabond trader
    44 | November 7, 2009 12:20 pm

    @ snork:

    2 THUMBS UP! lol, love the lady in the wheelchair. Go girls!

    :mrgreen:


  44. Poteen
    45 | November 7, 2009 12:33 pm

    snork wrote:

    In honor of the lady who took the terrorist down:

    Oh yeah! I got such a woody even the cat knew it and ran away.


  45. mjazz
    46 | November 7, 2009 12:33 pm

    @ Poteen:

    Some in this country need to be spanked as adults./

    There was a factory in North Attleboro that was being used for that a while back.


  46. Empire1
    47 | November 7, 2009 12:34 pm

    I’d put it earlier, but I like your idea!


  47. coloratura
    48 | November 7, 2009 12:34 pm

    A news flash…..Obama will attend memorial service at Fort Hood.


  48. Poteen
    49 | November 7, 2009 12:35 pm

    Overlook wrote:

    @ snork:
    Firearms training should be part of high-school civics class. It should replace mandated “community” work.

    The ‘new domestic arts’ class. I’ll go for that.


  49. Poteen
    50 | November 7, 2009 12:36 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ Poteen:
    Some in this country need to be spanked as adults./
    There was a factory in North Attleboro that was being used for that a while back.

    For attitude adjustment. For free. Unpaid. Uhh, you know what I mean./


  50. DEZ
    51 | November 7, 2009 12:38 pm

    snork wrote:

    In honor of the lady who took the terrorist down:

    Thanks for that.


  51. mjazz
    52 | November 7, 2009 12:38 pm

    @ snork:

    The minute Gibbs opens his mouth my thought processes close down and I start drifting off. Maybe they chose him for that reason.


  52. snork
    53 | November 7, 2009 12:41 pm

    Poteen wrote:

    snork wrote:
    In honor of the lady who took the terrorist down:

    Oh yeah! I got such a woody even the cat knew it and ran away.

    Yeah, I don’t know why, but real red-blooded American males are turned on by babes with guns.

    Hear that, ladies?


  53. Poteen
    54 | November 7, 2009 12:42 pm

    Good for GWB


  54. lobo91
    55 | November 7, 2009 12:45 pm

    @ RickZ:

    Again, I believe it has more to do with stupidity and naievete than with malice.

    The left-wing academics Obama has running his foreign policy are simply incapable of grasping the concept that we (meaning the west, not just the US) are fighting a religious war. To them, religion is nothing more than a quaint superstition that less sophisticated people than themselves cling to. It couldn’t possibly be the motivation behind wars.

    Look at their approach to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. They honestly believe that there’s some magic combination of concessions and bribes that can be given to the Palestinians that will lead to them peacfully coexisting with Israel. This is because they view it as a territorial dispute.

    The possibility that the Palestinians actually mean it when they talk about eliminating the state of Israel and killing all the Jews doesn’t even enter their minds. They think it’s just rhetoric.

    One of the things my Army Reserve unit specializes in is teaching what’s known as the Military Decision Making Process (MDMP). MDMP is basically a formalized problem-solving model. The first step in the process is to identify the problem.

    As long as our leaders continue to misidentify the problem, they’re going to continue producing flawed solutions.


  55. Poteen
    56 | November 7, 2009 12:45 pm

    @ snork:
    Republican symbolism as opposed to giant paper mache’ puppet Democrat symbolism, don’t cha’ know.


  56. DEZ
    57 | November 7, 2009 12:45 pm

    @ Poteen:

    Obama, must have noticed that too.
    Kudos to GWB.


  57. yah
    58 | November 7, 2009 12:47 pm

    RickZ wrote:

    Of course Obie doesn’t want the American people to jump to conclusions regarding this muslim jihadi killer. Geez, traitors in this White House and Administration? Perish the thought, or we’ll perish you. And with hellthcare reform, they’re working on that angle, too.

    But we should immediately conclude that all white cops act stupidly.


  58. 59 | November 7, 2009 12:47 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    … it is true that not all Muslims are actively terrorists, all active terrorists today ARE Muslims. …

    I just wanted to see that again. :)


  59. 60 | November 7, 2009 12:50 pm

    snork #26 wrote:

    Jeez, Louise:
    Gibbs: Can you imagine if, five years ago, protesters had compared our government to Hitler?
    This guy ain’t the brightest candle in the pumpkin, is he?

    It’s the lefty narcissism thing. Unless it hurts them, they’re not interested.


  60. Abu Bin Squid
    61 | November 7, 2009 12:52 pm

    A thousand pardons if this has been posted.
    George W. and Laura Bush visited the wounded at Ft. Hood last evening – without cameras!

    http://cbs11tv.com/wireapnewstx/George.W.Bush.2.1298076.html

    A leader, not like the shitbag president we currently have.


  61. RickZ
    62 | November 7, 2009 12:52 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Do not cut Obamna slack. He is ultimately responsible for those with whom he surrounds himself, no one else. Everything Obie does is deliberate, make no mistake about that. Obie is a commie ideologue, and does not know any other way to rule.


  62. snork
    63 | November 7, 2009 12:53 pm

    FORT HOOD: Blaming The Victims. Again.


  63. 64 | November 7, 2009 12:57 pm

    Abu Bin Squid wrote:

    A thousand pardons if this has been posted.
    George W. and Laura Bush visited the wounded at Ft. Hood last evening – without cameras!
    http://cbs11tv.com/wireapnewstx/George.W.Bush.2.1298076.html
    A leader, not like the shitbag president we currently have.

    Yeah, it’s been posted before but as far as I’m concerned it can’t be posted enough!


  64. Poteen
    65 | November 7, 2009 1:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Agreed.
    The truly sad part is we have an enemy with a 7th century mindset, using middle 20th century weapons, rudimentary tactics and poor communications. Some think that their dedication to Allah trumps all these disadvantages but that is not true. They are no where near as well equipped,trained or dedicated as the Wermacht or Imperial Japanese.
    The difference is OUR will to visit the same level of devastation on them. If we ever did, then every missionary from Rastafarians to Tiki the Volcano god would have a fertile ground for converts ‘cuz Allah ain’t helping. When enough of them are dead that dying for allah isn’t special they’ll get the idea. No Japanese worship the emperor anymore.


  65. sailordude
    66 | November 7, 2009 1:02 pm

    Hasan was just your “Typical Obama Voter”.


  66. 67 | November 7, 2009 1:03 pm

    At least he wasn’t a Czar.


  67. lobo91
    68 | November 7, 2009 1:04 pm

    @ snork:

    I don’t see that post as blaming the victims at all.

    She asks perfectly reasonable questions:

    I want to know why what was wrong with Hasan was not detected? Was he given a pass because he was Muslim? Is there a fear of suspecting or offending Muslims in the military that keeps people who should see signs of dysfunction from acknowledging what they see or doing anything about it?

    The victims of the shooting were not responsible for Hasan being allowed to continue serving even after giving multiple indications of problems. His chain of command was.

    I’d like to hear the answers to those questions, myself. As someone who actually is in the military at the moment, I suspect that I already know the answers to most of them.


  68. sailordude
    69 | November 7, 2009 1:08 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The fastest way to end your military career is to deny someone something based on religion, race, sexual orientation……the laws of this country would have to be changed to do anything against someone like Hasan.


  69. lobo91
    70 | November 7, 2009 1:11 pm

    @ Poteen:

    When enough of them are dead that dying for allah isn’t special they’ll get the idea. No Japanese worship the emperor anymore.

    One problem with that analogy is that the Japanese emperor went on the radio and told his people to surrender, and agreed to their new constitution that stipulated that he was not divine.

    Islam has no such central authority who can give those orders. If the leaders of any of the different sects tried to do so, it would probably lead to even more chaos, because the other groups would declare them apostates and declare war against them.


  70. Aussie Infidel
    71 | November 7, 2009 1:12 pm

    @ CloudyDay:
    You’re being unusually loquacious today cloudy day!

    By saying that this toe rag was BOTH Islamic AND had a mental disorder is just repeating yourself.

    Everyone knows that Islam IS a mental disorder.

    //sarc off

    :)


  71. Lost
    72 | November 7, 2009 1:17 pm

    So if he was “110% American” as his family claims, what did he do to earn him that merit?


  72. jakee308
    73 | November 7, 2009 1:18 pm

    By secretly visiting the Ft. Hood Survivors and Families, George Bush demonstrates that although a Liberal Republican, He has more class, compassion and honor in his little finger than the Zero could muster up in a year.


  73. Lost
    74 | November 7, 2009 1:18 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    And to every joke there is a bit of truth!
    :wink:


  74. lobo91
    75 | November 7, 2009 1:18 pm

    @ sailordude:

    The fastest way to end your military career is to deny someone something based on religion, race, sexual orientation……the laws of this country would have to be changed to do anything against someone like Hasan.

    I’m sure that those fears were behind the lack of substantive action taken against Hasan, but that’s not an excuse. It’s cowardice on the part of his superiors.

    If half the things that have come out about him are true, he was clearly unfit to practice, and certainly unfit to do so in the military. His superiors knew that, and they chose to pass him off onto a new command, so he’d be their problem.

    “Religious accomodation” only goes so far. Nobody told him he couldn’t pray 5 times a day, or forced him to eat pork, or drink alcohol. There is no Constitutionally mandated protection for people who basically support the enemy in time of war being allowed to serve in our military, just because they couch their belief in religious terms.


  75. 76 | November 7, 2009 1:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    One problem with that analogy is that the Japanese emperor went on the radio and told his people to surrender, and agreed to their new constitution that stipulated that he was not divine.
    Islam has no such central authority who can give those orders. If the leaders of any of the different sects tried to do so, it would probably lead to even more chaos, because the other groups would declare them apostates and declare war against them.

    I think that’s true. If Islam had a central authority, our task would be much easier. There’s a lot of infighting in Islam and they may well be killing as many of each other as they are killing of us.


  76. 77 | November 7, 2009 1:21 pm

    @ sailordude:

    So even with “don’t ask don’t tell” the gays are q


  77. RickZ
    78 | November 7, 2009 1:21 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Can you imagine the hue and cry that would have been raised, and the Presidential White Paper that would be issued, if a muslim like Hassan had been denied promotion and forced out ‘because of his beliefs’? And we know of his beliefs in jihad, suicide bombing, etc. Allowing Hassan to stay in the military and be promoted up the chain of command had everything to do with political correctness. Any superior officer, unfortunately, had to think of their careers versus taking the major hit should they have pushed for Hassas’s separation. Then Hassan would have sued because of religious discrimination, with ACLU support, the very military he eventually attacked and whose members he murdered. Believe me when I say this, political correctness killed that day, will kill again, and will continue to kill until we stop this ‘we can’t profile’ madness. Hassan is a poster boy for the legitimacy of profiling. But that is one lesson, or teachable moment, Obie will studiously ignore.


  78. jakee308
    79 | November 7, 2009 1:23 pm

    @ Poteen:
    That’s ok, your people pretty much slaughtered anyone coming to the Emerald Isle during the previous years before William of Orange arrived (except for the Vikings: they kicked your A$$).

    :D

    Come on folks, we can all play ‘ROOT CAUSES’ for pity points if we just go back in history far enough. The past is the past. If you have any problem with MY ancestors, please feel free to go wherever they are and deal with them. I’ve got my own problems here and now.


  79. 80 | November 7, 2009 1:23 pm

    Shit. So even with “don’t ask don’t tell” gays are given preferential treatment? Interesting.


  80. sailordude
    81 | November 7, 2009 1:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ sailordude:

    The fastest way to end your military career is to deny someone something based on religion, race, sexual orientation……the laws of this country would have to be changed to do anything against someone like Hasan.

    I’m sure that those fears were behind the lack of substantive action taken against Hasan, but that’s not an excuse. It’s cowardice on the part of his superiors.

    If half the things that have come out about him are true, he was clearly unfit to practice, and certainly unfit to do so in the military. His superiors knew that, and they chose to pass him off onto a new command, so he’d be their problem.

    “Religious accomodation” only goes so far. Nobody told him he couldn’t pray 5 times a day, or forced him to eat pork, or drink alcohol. There is no Constitutionally mandated protection for people who basically support the enemy in time of war being allowed to serve in our military, just because they couch their belief in religious terms.

    I’m pretty sure the first amendment provides all the protection Hasan needed.

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. ”
    [edit]


  81. lobo91
    82 | November 7, 2009 1:26 pm

    @ RickZ:

    Allowing Hassan to stay in the military and be promoted up the chain of command had everything to do with political correctness. Any superior officer, unfortunately, had to think of their careers versus taking the major hit should they have pushed for Hassas’s separation.

    That’s what we call a lack of moral courage. Those resposible for allowing him to continue serving should be identified and forced out, themselves.

    BTW, I say that as a currently-serving E-9 with more than 30 years of service.


  82. Poteen
    83 | November 7, 2009 1:27 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The lack of a central authority would work in our favor.
    The local mullahs (if they were still alive) would make the call for their own and Shura councils for larger groups.
    The Emperor knew what was in store for his people. The devastation of the bombs showed that he wasn’t ‘divine’. IIRC we had 1 more bomb ready to press the lesson. That the military hierarchy wanted to fight to the death was their bushido code. They knew they couldn’t win. The populace followed the leader who wouldn’t get them killed.


  83. 84 | November 7, 2009 1:27 pm

    @ sailordude:

    The question is, are the Mohammedans all the enemy? Could someone have been a good soldier during the Cold War, and still been a devoute Communist? What is the difference?


  84. sailordude
    85 | November 7, 2009 1:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Don’t ask- don’t tell is, by definition, “preferential treatment”. Plenty of UCMJ articles about sodomy, conduct unbecoming…


  85. Lost
    86 | November 7, 2009 1:29 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The question is, are the Mohammedans all the enemy?

    Well if he is the example of moderate than the answer is yes.


  86. Lost
    87 | November 7, 2009 1:30 pm

    @ Lost:
    than=then


  87. jakee308
    88 | November 7, 2009 1:30 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    If Islam had a central authority, our task would be much easier. There’s a lot of infighting in Islam and they may well be killing as many of each other as they are killing of us.

    Islam, whether on purpose or by happenstance, is ideally set up to act as a guerilla movement. Each Imam is their own Cell leader who interprets the Koran as they see fit (within some general parameters accumulated over the centuries of war between the Sunnis and Shiites. This is why the problem of sorting out those mosques that promote radical Jihad and terrorism from those that do not. Although it appears that those that do not are at the least complacent about those that do and thus lend a passive acquiescence to the radicals. It’s hard to justify being thrown out of your house of worship for being upset with those that take a more literal view of the teachings in the Koran.


  88. lobo91
    89 | November 7, 2009 1:31 pm

    @ sailordude:

    There is no Constitutional right to serve in the military.

    Hasan should have been separated from the service, and if he wanted to file a discrimination claim in court, fine.

    Good luck finding a jury who will agree that people who support suicide bombers should be allowed in the military (assuming the trial didn’t take place in San Francisco, maybe).


  89. The Osprey
    90 | November 7, 2009 1:32 pm

    The founding fathers did not anticipate us having to deal with the radical faith/political system called Islam on our own shores when they wrote the 1st amendment.


  90. Poteen
    91 | November 7, 2009 1:32 pm

    jakee308 wrote:

    @ Poteen:
    That’s ok, your people pretty much slaughtered anyone coming to the Emerald Isle during the previous years before William of Orange arrived (except for the Vikings: they kicked your A$$).

    Come on folks, we can all play ‘ROOT CAUSES’ for pity points if we just go back in history far enough. The past is the past. If you have any problem with MY ancestors, please feel free to go wherever they are and deal with them. I’ve got my own problems here and now.

    We invented asymetric warfare. The Vikings came and killed a lot of our good Celtic warriors— so we turned our women loose on them.
    Now, if you’re blue-eyed and light haired you’re likely one of us.
    Our women bred those bad ass Vikings out of existence. Pussies./


  91. 92 | November 7, 2009 1:33 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That’s what we call a lack of moral courage. Those resposible for allowing him to continue serving should be identified and forced out, themselves.

    BTW, I say that as a currently-serving E-9 with more than 30 years of service.

    Allowing Political Correctness into the military was, in my opinion, a major error and Hasan was one of the fruits of that error. Alas, I suspect that the error was not by the military, but by civilians.


  92. sailordude
    93 | November 7, 2009 1:34 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ sailordude:

    The question is, are the Mohammedans all the enemy? Could someone have been a good soldier during the Cold War, and still been a devoute Communist? What is the difference?

    That’s the problem. The solution (outlawing Islam in the US) is probably unconstitutional. They are using our own constitutional protections against us. Something the Founding Fathers never envisioned.


  93. jakee308
    94 | November 7, 2009 1:34 pm

    I
    I want
    I want my
    I want my edit
    I want my edit function
    I want my edit function back

    That’s the way to do it
    Get my grammar corrected and my typos undone.


  94. jakee308
    95 | November 7, 2009 1:36 pm

    sailordude wrote:

    That’s the problem. The solution (outlawing Islam in the US) is probably unconstitutional. They are using our own constitutional protections against us. Something the Founding Fathers never envisioned.

    That’s a very good question; did the founders provide some way to counteract an enemy using the constitutional protections to undermine the constitution and the Government?


  95. 96 | November 7, 2009 1:36 pm

    @ jakee308:

    The past is the past. If you have any problem with MY ancestors, please feel free to go wherever they are and deal with them. I’ve got my own problems here and now.

    Exactly. That sums it up perfectly. We don’t carry the guilt of our ancestors around with us. We are responsible for what we do, not what they did.


  96. 97 | November 7, 2009 1:38 pm

    @ sailordude:

    That’s the problem. The solution (outlawing Islam in the US) is probably unconstitutional. They are using our own constitutional protections against us. Something the Founding Fathers never envisioned.

    Perhaps a revival of, and enforcement of, sedition laws would be in order.


  97. jakee308
    98 | November 7, 2009 1:39 pm

    @ Poteen:
    Um, actually no. Dublin is/was a Viking settlement and LOTS and LOTS of Vikings have blonde hair and blue eyes.

    I’m Scandi and have blonde hair and brown eyes. go figure.


  98. lobo91
    99 | November 7, 2009 1:41 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Allowing Political Correctness into the military was, in my opinion, a major error and Hasan was one of the fruits of that error. Alas, I suspect that the error was not by the military, but by civilians.

    A lot of the military’s current problems can be traced back to the Clinton era. It was during those days that we got things like “don’t ask, don’t tell,” the push to get women onto ships in the Navy, and all the other idiotic social engineering that’s taken place.

    The problem is that liberal view the military as a job training program, instead of its intended purpose, which is to fight and win wars. This problem has the same root cause as most of their other failures: Reliance on academics to set policy, instead of people with actual practical experience.


  99. sailordude
    100 | November 7, 2009 1:43 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Yeah I thought of that too. Problem with sedition laws is you open Pandora’s box. UCMJ Article 94 does not appear to apply either….the act must be “in concert with any other person”.


  100. livefreeor die
    101 | November 7, 2009 1:43 pm

    Abu Bin Squid wrote:

    A thousand pardons if this has been posted.
    George W. and Laura Bush visited the wounded at Ft. Hood last evening – without cameras!
    http://cbs11tv.com/wireapnewstx/George.W.Bush.2.1298076.html
    A leader, not like the shitbag president we currently have.

    And if Bush were still the President, he would have been down there even sooner.
    Hope Obama’s visit doesn’t screw up his schedule too much or-God forbid-mess up Date Night.


  101. pbird
    102 | November 7, 2009 1:45 pm

    Abu Bin Squid wrote:

    A thousand pardons if this has been posted.

    George W. and Laura Bush visited the wounded at Ft. Hood last evening – without cameras!
    http://cbs11tv.com/wireapnewstx/George.W.Bush.2.1298076.html
    A leader, not like the shitbag president we currently have.

    Good for him. Of course he did.


  102. Poteen
    103 | November 7, 2009 1:46 pm

    @ jakee308:

    Exactly. Ask a Dubliner if he’s Irish or Viking today.
    Watch out for those colleens! They’ll get you every time./


  103. Poteen
    104 | November 7, 2009 1:47 pm

    BBL sprinklers won’t fix themselves


  104. jakee308
    105 | November 7, 2009 1:48 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Shit. So even with “don’t ask don’t tell” gays are given preferential treatment? Interesting.

    That’s the whole purpose behind setting up islands of victims. The victims gain certain privileges and are allowed to achieve using a lower standard of ability than those not ‘victims’. The Demonrats/leftists use this to acquire the allegiance of multiple disparate groups of complainants. The trouble happens for them when:

    1. those in the ‘majority’ rebel
    2. they back a proposal that has too many groups at odds over it’s core aims(like with health care)
    3. Once the victims become higher on the rungs of a particular organization, many times they see the corrosive results of such a policy and they see that they have sold their souls to a group that doesn’t really care about their success so much as they care about destroying the framework of meritocracy that has worked so well in free societies.

    The Blacks have unfortunately not been able to see beyond the end of their noses … yet. I have hopes but perhaps not for awhile. The discovery of the numbers of black babies killed by the pro-abortionist wing of the Demonrat party and the parties embrace of homosexuality may finally break the loyalty of the black voter.


  105. 106 | November 7, 2009 1:51 pm

    @ pbird:

    It is called leadership. Some people have it in them, some don’t.


  106. jakee308
    107 | November 7, 2009 1:52 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    It was an error by the Republicans.

    All of what has happened is EXACTLY what the Left wants.
    They loathe the military. They loathe the idea of merit being the major qualification for advancement. They despise those with honor, loyalty and patriotism. The military is ALL the things the left is not. They want to destroy the effectiveness of the U.S. Military and they are making drastic inroads. The disassembly of DADT will be their latest triumph as I predict that Re-enlistment will drop and Recruiting will falter if it is forced upon our Armed Forces.


  107. chickadee
    108 | November 7, 2009 1:55 pm

    snork wrote:

    In honor of the lady who took the terrorist down:

    That was very inspiring. I loved it.


  108. 109 | November 7, 2009 2:07 pm

    snork wrote:

    In honor of the lady who took the terrorist down:

    Very cool! Thanks for posting.


  109. CloudyDay
    110 | November 7, 2009 2:19 pm

    Fort Hood suspect became more devout after mother’s death, cousin says
    ————
    OT/ For Iron Fist:
    I left you a post in this thread, #108. I found a news column by a pharmacist who mentioned using vitamin D to treat diabetes and pasted in her comments about it and a link to the full column.


  110. chickadee
    111 | November 7, 2009 2:35 pm

    I think the Muslim jihadi was given a pass because he was Muslim. All the indications of his instability, extremism, and lack of qualifications for the job and unprofessional behavior were ignored. He should have been bounced out of the military. He should have been designated a ‘problem’ based on his statements and actions and put under surveillance . A white male soldier in his place would have been called on such outrageous conduct and held accountable. Look how many Americans were killed and wounded because no one could step up to the plate and take action when it was so warranted and necessary. That’s he tragedy.


  111. lobo91
    112 | November 7, 2009 2:43 pm

    @ chickadee:

    I think the Muslim jihadi was given a pass because he was Muslim. All the indications of his instability, extremism, and lack of qualifications for the job and unprofessional behavior were ignored. He should have been bounced out of the military.

    I think it’s pretty clear that’s exactly what happened. I’ve seen similar things take place throughout my own military career (although none that ended up in mass shootings, of course).

    Passing your problem Soldiers on to someone else is a very common strategy in the Army, because it’s easier than dealing with them yourself. Add in the religious aspect, and I can absolutely see that happening. Nobody wants to deal with the potential Equal Opportunity complaints and other problems that could result.

    Having said this, however, I absolutely believe that Hasan’s superiors, both at Ft Hood and at Walter Reed, should be held responsible for their actions. By taking the easy way out, they allowed this situation to develop into what it finally became.


  112. lobo91
    113 | November 7, 2009 2:49 pm

    @ CloudyDay:

    That article is interesting, if only because of the timeline it presents.

    According to that piece, Hasan only became a devout Muslim after the death of his mother nine years ago, which would have been around 2000. He was already in the military then, and most of the way through med school.

    That does answer some of the questions people have had about how someone with his views was allowed to become an officer in the military. The short answer is, he wasn’t. He developed those views after joining.


  113. lobo91
    114 | November 7, 2009 2:51 pm

    It would be interesting to hear from people who served with Hasan prior to his mother’s death. I’d really like to know how much he changed.


  114. refugee000
    115 | November 7, 2009 2:52 pm

    CJ’s gotten mighty quiet about this over at KOS jr.
    He’s decided to bury it with lots of “right wing” stories, because it turned out to be a case of Islamic jihad.
    And he so desperately wanted it to turn out to be a “right wing” radical.


  115. lobo91
    116 | November 7, 2009 2:55 pm

    @ refugee000:

    Shocking, isn’t it?


  116. refugee000
    117 | November 7, 2009 2:57 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It was getting nauseating reading the “you must be a bigot” comments there about any who suggested Islam played a role in the attack.


  117. manforallseasons
    118 | November 7, 2009 2:58 pm

    Hello everyone. If you haven’t seen this presentation from the TED talks, you should watch it. To me it helps to explain why libs react the way they do especially in a situation like the Ft. Hood attack. We’re all born with a five-channel morality and, over time, the relative importance of the channels change. Libs are dominated by a two channel morality – all over the world. Compassion and fairness dominate their thinking. They feel the speak for the weak and oppressed. Fairness at all costs…

    http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html


  118. lobo91
    119 | November 7, 2009 3:00 pm

    @ refugee000:

    They’re still pushing the idea that he was just trying to get out of going overseas, and downplaying the religious motivation.

    That site defines cognitive dissonance.


  119. The Albatross
    120 | November 7, 2009 3:30 pm

    Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6521758/Fort-Hood-shooting-Texas-army-killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html

    (But let’s not jump to conlcusions…)

    TTTTTTTTerrorist. It isn’t that hard to say… and George and Laura Bush still got class…. they visited the wounded today.


  120. lobo91
    121 | November 7, 2009 3:34 pm

    @ The Albatross:

    I just posted the same thing on the next thread…


  121. 122 | November 7, 2009 4:54 pm

    @ CloudyDay:

    Thanks! That looks like something that could be useful. My diabetes is extreme insulin resistance. That could really help. Thanks.


  122. Alberta Oil Peon
    123 | November 7, 2009 5:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Poteen:
    When enough of them are dead that dying for allah isn’t special they’ll get the idea. No Japanese worship the emperor anymore.
    One problem with that analogy is that the Japanese emperor went on the radio and told his people to surrender, and agreed to their new constitution that stipulated that he was not divine.
    Islam has no such central authority who can give those orders. If the leaders of any of the different sects tried to do so, it would probably lead to even more chaos, because the other groups would declare them apostates and declare war against them.

    What it will probably take is the actuality of Mecca being vaporized in a 20,000° nuclear fireball for mohammedans the world over to realize that Allah either: a) doesn’t exist, or b) doesn’t give a shit.


  123. Scott Madsen
    124 | November 7, 2009 5:30 pm

    Reagan had his true believer and latent surrogate in Col. North. It now looks like Obama has his own antithetical corollary to those aforementioned patriots.


  124. Scott Madsen
    125 | November 7, 2009 5:31 pm

    @ Scott Madsen:

    …going by the 32 degress of seperation standard of the left that is.


  125. UCANTKIDME
    126 | November 7, 2009 6:08 pm

    He shouted ‘Allahu Akbar’ as he shot and the DECEIVERS and their useful idiots in the MSM and the Islamophile PC MC left wing moonbats want you believe that means ‘God is Great‘ however the literal translation of ‘Allahu Akbar” is ‘MY God is the GREATEST’ which is a whole new ball game.
    Although you will not find Mohammedans, Islamophile apologists or the totally IGNORANT MSM telling you this. Why because it is a pertinent reminder that:-

    1) Islam is constantly violently CONFRONTATIONAL

    2) Islam is in violent COMPETITION with other religions for supremacy.

    3) Islam comes from a POLYTHEISTIC base.

    All of which they the Mohammedans really dont want you to know because they want to deceive you and lull you in to afalse sense of security by thinking ALL religions are the same. After all dont they also LIE and tell you their ALLAH is the same as your God well if so why is Allah the GREATEST?????T
    The MSM and their useful idiots the Left Wing PC MC Moonbats are to stupid to discover this of course or if they do know will desperately try to pretend they dont.


  126. Buffalobob
    127 | November 7, 2009 7:27 pm

    Shameless lack of leadership and direction from the white house. Meeting behind closed doors using Chicago tactics to push his health care failure at the time our troops are suffering and dying at the hands of a islamic nut. What do we hear? Don’t rush to judgement. But call a cop stupid for enforcing the law.
    Was there any rep. at the dedication of the USS NY?


  127. 4_Sticks
    128 | November 7, 2009 7:30 pm

    @ Poteen:

    Does he/she have reason to be concerned ?? :-)


  128. waldensianspirit
    129 | November 8, 2009 8:17 am

    The gated community ones in power are insane. May they spend time in the Valley of Hinnom [they've thrown themselves there] before the Judgment and their souls obliterated by the nonphysical lake with the completely-forgotten effect being eternal.

    —–
    For the atheist out there who don’t like my rhetoric note I just said for a smaller group what you say for all humanity. You just do it in one death while I mention two deaths; the second beatable through Christ.


  129. waldensianspirit
    130 | November 8, 2009 8:18 am

    They cover for them because they are of the same spirit


  130. waldensianspirit
    131 | November 8, 2009 8:19 am

    @ UCANTKIDME:
    ed. #129


  131. Scott Madsen
    132 | November 8, 2009 2:54 pm

    I just noticed the hatip, thanks….my first ever, and
    a thank you again to all the others who make this place such a wonderful web community.

    Now if I can just remember when and where I posted the link.


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