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Hassan’s Imam: “Nidal Hassan Is A Hero”

by bar ( 347 Comments › )
Filed under Crime, Islamists, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Military at November 9th, 2009 - 10:16 am

From this website, Hassan’s imam praises the Moslem coward. (Via Gateway Pundit)

Nidal Hassan is a hero. He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people. This is a contradiction that many Muslims brush aside and just pretend that it doesn’t exist. Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier. The US is leading the war against terrorism which in reality is a war against Islam. Its army is directly invading two Muslim countries and indirectly occupying the rest through its stooges.

Only a shit-for-brains Moslem can see “heroism” when attacking unarmed infidels. If Allah is really as powerful as they claim, then why do these brave Moslems fight with people who can not fight back? It’s a rhetorical question.

If this POS Moslem (Hassan) was really “pious”, then why didnt he just move to a POS Moslem country, like Iraq, Afghanistan or any of the other POS Moslem countries?

And this “Moslems don’t kill Moslems is pure bullshit.” I have seen many a car swarms in both Iraq and Afghanistan that kill lots of Moslems. I sure hope they keep up the good work for Allah.

The ultimate slap to Islams face, the real hero is female (Kimberly Munley).

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347 Responses to “Hassan’s Imam: “Nidal Hassan Is A Hero””
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  1. snork
    1 | November 9, 2009 10:22

    Can we call him an islamofacist yet? Dare I utter the “T” word?


  2. 2 | November 9, 2009 10:23

    Yep. I’m mad as hell about it. Where are the “moderate” Mohammedans? Oh, yeah, this fucker was one of them…


  3. snork
    3 | November 9, 2009 10:24

    Nidal opened fire on soldiers who were on their way to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. How can there be any dispute about the virtue of what he has done?


  4. 4 | November 9, 2009 10:25

    @ snork:

    Nuke Mecca. How can there be any doubt about the virtue of that?


  5. snork
    5 | November 9, 2009 10:27

    Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier.

    Maybe the dick should have thought about that before joining?


  6. 6 | November 9, 2009 10:28

    @ snork:

    I call them Islamo-Imperialists.


  7. coldwarrior
    7 | November 9, 2009 10:29

    ISLAM DELENDA EST

    (bbl again)


  8. snork
    8 | November 9, 2009 10:30

    @ Iron Fist:

    Rocknap the meteor. Take it to the Negev, and suspend a 2000 gallon tank of hydrofluoric acid over it. Next Mohammedan who makes a wrong move, the rock becomes iron fluoride.


  9. LGoPs
    9 | November 9, 2009 10:30

    If this Imam’s statement isn’t treated in the harshest manner possible, then we truly are lost.


  10. shadowman
    10 | November 9, 2009 10:32

    Looks like there may be a problem with how the investigation goes?

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199515.php


  11. LGoPs
    11 | November 9, 2009 10:34

    We are losing our country right in front of our eyes. And the only thing sadder than losing your country is losing your country because your citizens are too lazy and indifferent to even fucking notice.


  12. 12 | November 9, 2009 10:34

    @ LGoPs:

    It is up to the Mohammedans to calm us down. Worried about a backlash? They should be.


  13. 13 | November 9, 2009 10:36

    @ shadowman:

    Blocked at work as “Adult and Sexually Explicit”. I don’t see how, but I won’t ping it again…


  14. 14 | November 9, 2009 10:36

    Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier.

    The Imam says it for us now doesn’t he? How did the MSM, and Progressives let this slide? Some liberal should inform him a.s.a.p. what an Islamophobe he is and how he doesn’t understand Islam.
    /


  15. LGoPs
    15 | November 9, 2009 10:39

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ LGoPs:
    It is up to the Mohammedans to calm us down. Worried about a backlash? They should be.

    Bullseye!


  16. 16 | November 9, 2009 10:39

    @ WrathofG-d:

    He forgot to read his daily talking points email!


  17. shadowman
    17 | November 9, 2009 10:40

    Another eye witness to hasan shouting allahu akbar.


  18. snork
    18 | November 9, 2009 10:40

    @ WrathofG-d:

    The imam is saying that the Mohammedans currently in should get out, and none should join, no? That’s not the narrative.


  19. calcajun
    19 | November 9, 2009 10:41

    Gee, this imam has an odd way of trying to get people into his mosque–in the middle of Texas. Nice mosque ya’ got there, pal. Shame if something happened to it.

    Inspector Kemp: “A riot ist undt ugly ting! And, I tink zat it ist just about time zat ve hadt one!”


  20. wolfie
    20 | November 9, 2009 10:41

    @ shadowman:

    The article Jawa links is actually satire.
    But given the ideological insanity of our elites, it looked all too true.


  21. 21 | November 9, 2009 10:42

    @ LGoPs:

    It’s because of the Progressives and their control over our culture.


  22. shadowman
    22 | November 9, 2009 10:43

    @ Iron Fist:

    Blocked at work as “Adult and Sexually Explicit”. I don’t see how, but I won’t ping it again…

    Really,they’re going to have to stop putting up those cheerleaders pics over there. ;-)


  23. 23 | November 9, 2009 10:43

    @ shadowman:

    But Charles says it’s not confirmed. He’s an expert at evidence gathering.


  24. Nevergiveup
    24 | November 9, 2009 10:45

    snork wrote:

    Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier.

    Maybe the dick should have thought about that before joining?

    ON the other hand, maybe we are the dicks for accepting him?


  25. taxfreekiller
    25 | November 9, 2009 10:46

    The current Democrat Party leadership, Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, Schummer, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Charlie Rangle, etal are the

    “TROJAN HORSE’s “, and they have opened the gates of America from inside and are willfully allowing armed soliders of the enemy into our homes, cities, and now U.S. Army Forts.

    It is important to know your enemy.

    The Republicans current are looking on helpless to act out of PC.


  26. shadowman
    26 | November 9, 2009 10:46

    @ wolfie:

    Yes,all becomes clear when the “post” link is clicked,but not until then?

    Sad state of affairs really.


  27. 27 | November 9, 2009 10:47

    @ shadowman:

    Unfortunately it isn’t the lack of evidence which is keeping us from identifying the true enemy, and motivation here. Its the U.S.’s (and other’s) desire to ignore this evidence which is the problem.

    I found that video interesting. One because the two soldiers were horrible interviews, and two because the interviewer refused to identify the call by Hassan of Allah Ackbar as specific to Islam. She instead referred to it as “god is great”, (placing the blame on religion generally instead of Islam specifically) and when the solider correctly pointed out that it was an Islamic call to their false god, sort of didn’t really know what to say but tried to bring it back to the general G-d.

    I stopped watching after that.


  28. 28 | November 9, 2009 10:49

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Nuke Mecca. How can there be any doubt about the virtue of that?

    I like your thinking, Iron Fist.

    I’ve had it with this 7th century death cult and the mindless barbarians that worship Mo.

    The only thing they respect is getting their asses handed to them on a platter.

    I say it’s time to get their respect.


  29. bar
    29 | November 9, 2009 10:49

    According to “leg tingles” and other bat-crap-crazy-lefties, the right-wing Christians here in America are just like the Islamic terrorists, expect for the fact that right-wing Christians don’t go around shooting people. And their pastor doesn’t claim it’s a virtuous act.

    Other then that, you cant tell us apart.


  30. shadowman
    30 | November 9, 2009 10:50

    @ Rodan:

    Yes,true perhaps everyone should hold their horses,chuckie’s sure to come up with a verdict eventually?

    Did you see the jihadi’s calling card?

    Soldier of allah.

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/11/major-muslims-calling-card-soa-soldier-of-allah.html


  31. 31 | November 9, 2009 10:50

    @ WrathofG-d:

    They don’t want to reveal the true nature of the enemy. Progressives view this so called Religion as a 3rd World Liberation Movement. SO they actually support them.


  32. calcajun
    32 | November 9, 2009 10:50

    @ Nevergiveup:
    This goes back to what I said on Friday. This guy tried to game the system and lost. He thought I’ll get the kafirs to educate me and I won’t ever face the chance of coming into conflict with my religious beliefs. And yet, he’s a doc who’s having to minister to the men and women who have been fighting and killing his theological brethren. He did not want to face much more of the same in Afghanistan and he finally “snapped”– i.e.; he made a choice as to who’s side he was really one.

    Someone mentioned over the weekend something about how much ammo he had and if he had only two pistols and a couple of extra mags, would he have been able to do this damage or if some if it was caused by return fire from the base police. We’ll see how things sort out, I suppose.


  33. 33 | November 9, 2009 10:50

    @ Rodan:

    This all can be explained by the tale of the emperor who wore no clothes.

    http://hca.gilead.org.il/emperor.html

    Its about forced ignorance, and ignoring the reality we all see clearly.


  34. 34 | November 9, 2009 10:50

    Call me a racist if you like, but it’s time to pink slip every last Muslim from the US Armed Forces.


  35. 35 | November 9, 2009 10:51

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Seggregate the Mohammedans into special units where they aren’t allowed weapons. Of course, this cocksucker bought his own weapon to do the deed, something that we can count on gon controllers to be all over. But they’ll focus on the gun, not the shooter, while it is clear that the shooter is in a group that should not be allowed weapons. we don’t need gun control, we need Mohammedan control.


  36. wolfie
    36 | November 9, 2009 10:51

    @ shadowman:

    Yup. It’s gotten to the point when you can’t parody the Left!


  37. tfc3rid
    37 | November 9, 2009 10:52

    We’re a bunch of PC idiots… Dooming ourselves by deluding ourselves into thinking there is no threat…


  38. 38 | November 9, 2009 10:52

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Yup, sad but true!


  39. 39 | November 9, 2009 10:53

    @ tqcincinnatus:

    It’s got nothing to do with race. I don’t care if they are lilly white or black or arabic, it isn’t their race it is their creed. damn right we need to descriminate against a creed that teaches murder and suicide as its highest virtues.


  40. Heavensgate
    40 | November 9, 2009 10:53

    Exactly, if you don’t want to fight muslims, then why did you join the service POS? The only reason I can come up with is to have the exact opportunity that he used to kill our servicemen/women. You cannot trust these people, why in the hell are we allowing them in the military?????????


  41. Nevergiveup
    41 | November 9, 2009 10:53

    @ calcajun:
    He had an extended magazine in the automatic pistol he had.


  42. Silhouette
    42 | November 9, 2009 10:53

    the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people

    It takes a special kind of evil/hate/stupidity NOT to see the contradiction in his statement. The people we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are Muslims, yes. But so are the people we are fighting with and fighting for. Fighting one group of Muslims who want to tyranize another is not fighting Islam, unless the imam is saying that Islam, in his opinion, is tyranny.

    Moreover, our Army is made of “his own people,” at least in part, as evidenced by Hasan himself. We are mostly Christian, yes, but we are also every other religion and lack of religion you can name.


  43. calcajun
    43 | November 9, 2009 10:53

    @ bar:
    Uh, some do. There have been a few abortion clinic bombed and abortionists killed by people claiming to be doing God’s work. Don’t say that none do it– they are far fewer, but they are out there.


  44. shadowman
    44 | November 9, 2009 10:54

    @ WrathofG-d:

    That was about the fourth video with eye witness accounts by different people stating that hasan screamed “allahu akbar”.The obama team are going to have a job trying to paper over the cracks with that one.


  45. Nevergiveup
    45 | November 9, 2009 10:55

    Another thing we were talking about this weekend when I was on Duty was whether any time a member of the Armed Forces buys a weapon, should the Military be notified?


  46. calcajun
    46 | November 9, 2009 10:56

    @ Nevergiveup:
    That gives him extra rounds. If he fired into a crowd, he might have done a lot of damage if he bump fired. Have not heard if he knew how to do that or not.


  47. 47 | November 9, 2009 10:56

    Oh Jezus!

    Just when I thought our Country couldn’t get any worse, it seems they have found a “truly intolerant” country in the Middle East – ISRAEL!

    Behold YOUR State Department.

    http://www.themedialine.org/news/news_mideast_daily.asp?Date=11/09/2009&category_id=8#27035

    U.S. State Department: Israel Intolerant Society

    The 2009 International Religious Freedom Report issued by the U.S. State Department says Israel is not a tolerant society. The report, issued last week, accuses Israel of “governmental and legal discrimination against non-Jews and non-Orthodox streams of Judaism.” It charges that “Some individuals and groups committed abusive and discriminatory practices against Israeli-Arab Muslims, evangelical Christians, and Messianic Jews at the same elevated level.” Its criticism includes citing the case of three Messianic Jews being denied citizenship under the Right of Return. It also charged that, “While the law safeguards the ‘holy places of all religions,’ the Government provides significantly greater levels of legal protection and government resources to Jewish holy places than to those of other religious groups and to Orthodox Jews over non-Orthodox Jews.”

    You have got to be ______’n kidding me!


  48. S the Elder
    48 | November 9, 2009 10:56

    shadowman wrote:

    @ WrathofG-d:
    That was about the fourth video with eye witness accounts by different people stating that hasan screamed “allahu akbar”.The obama team are going to have a job trying to paper over the cracks with that one.

    maybe what he really said when he pulled out his gun was “all you, back far”…


  49. calcajun
    49 | November 9, 2009 10:57

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Are officers still issued side-arms or do they have to buy them?


  50. taxfreekiller
    50 | November 9, 2009 10:58

    Trojan Horse’s sometimes do not know themselves they just moved the gate latch at bit themselfs.

    @ calcajun:


  51. pbird
    51 | November 9, 2009 10:58

    snork wrote:

    Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier.
    Maybe the dick should have thought about that before joining?

    No kidding.


  52. buzzsawmonkey
    52 | November 9, 2009 10:59

    @ WrathofG-d:

    There are also rumors afoot that Obama, in conjunction with the Palestinian Authority, is going to unilaterally declare/recognize a “Palestinian State” with Jerusalem as its capital.


  53. Nevergiveup
    53 | November 9, 2009 10:59

    @ WrathofG-d:
    What bullshit


  54. Nevergiveup
    54 | November 9, 2009 11:00

    calcajun wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Are officers still issued side-arms or do they have to buy them?

    Issued but only when posted to a War Zone.


  55. 55 | November 9, 2009 11:01

    @ calcajun:

    this wouldn’t have been an issued weapon. The issue sidearm is the Beretta 9mm.


  56. Nevergiveup
    56 | November 9, 2009 11:01

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ WrathofG-d:

    There are also rumors afoot that Obama, in conjunction with the Palestinian Authority, is going to unilaterally declare/recognize a “Palestinian State” with Jerusalem as its capital.

    Nah, I doubt even Obama would go that far. The Palis maybe but not Obama


  57. LGoPs
    57 | November 9, 2009 11:01

    calcajun wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    That gives him extra rounds. If he fired into a crowd, he might have done a lot of damage if he bump fired. Have not heard if he knew how to do that or not.

    What is bump firing?


  58. bar
    58 | November 9, 2009 11:01

    I want to also note the term: Allah Akbar or Allahu Akbar
    is not really being translated properly, it does not refer to just any deity.

    It means “Allah is greater”, it is a direct challenge of deities to those who are being attacked.


  59. vagabond trader
    59 | November 9, 2009 11:02

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I honestly believe he will do some such underhanded krap. Just like with the healthcare scam and every other policy he wants enacted.


  60. 60 | November 9, 2009 11:03

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Lovely. For any Jews who happen to be reading this that voted for Obama, I hope you are happy now. Israel was one big reason I could pull the lever for McCain. There were very real differences between the two candidates.


  61. LGoPs
    61 | November 9, 2009 11:03

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    calcajun wrote:
    @ Nevergiveup:
    Are officers still issued side-arms or do they have to buy them?
    Issued but only when posted to a War Zone.

    In my experience (dated of course) you couldn’t carry your own private weapon in lieu of the issue sidearm. You had to carry the issue .45 pistol.


  62. calcajun
    62 | November 9, 2009 11:04

    Maybe BHO should have this guy and the female cop who shot him over for a beer. Sounds like it was a kooky misunderstanding all around.


  63. vagabond trader
    63 | November 9, 2009 11:04

    @ calcajun:

    Thought the jihadi was insane according to your diagnosis the other day.


  64. wolfie
    64 | November 9, 2009 11:04

    @ WrathofG-d:

    As I say, it’s gotten to the point where you can’t even parody this stuff anymore.


  65. 65 | November 9, 2009 11:04

    @ Iron Fist:

    I hope that wasn’t offensive. I didn’t intend it to be. I just don’t see how someone could be Jewish and pull the lever for Obama, but tons of them did. IIRC, the majority of them did.


  66. LGoPs
    66 | November 9, 2009 11:04

    bar wrote:

    I want to also note the term: Allah Akbar or Allahu Akbar
    is not really being translated properly, it does not refer to just any deity.
    It means “Allah is greater”, it is a direct challenge of deities to those who are being attacked.

    I wanna see a bumper sticker My God can beat up your God.
    /


  67. NoThreat2U
    67 | November 9, 2009 11:05

    I think everyone is looking at this the wrong way. What this asshole probably got tired of hearing from returning soldiers was more along the lines of: muslims killing OTHER muslims. How was this deranged asshole supposed to rectify that with “religion of peace”???I guarantee he heard more atrocities of mo on mo violence than anything the US forces did.


  68. 68 | November 9, 2009 11:06

    @ calcajun:

    You think a beer would improve her aim? I’ll chip in for a S&W .500 Mag for this round. That should produce satisfactory results…


  69. Nevergiveup
    69 | November 9, 2009 11:06

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I hope that wasn’t offensive. I didn’t intend it to be. I just don’t see how someone could be Jewish and pull the lever for Obama, but tons of them did. IIRC, the majority of them did.

    You want offense? Hey From one Jew to another: If you voted for Obama, I hope you drop dead! No clarification needed from me!


  70. calcajun
    70 | November 9, 2009 11:06

    @ LGoPs:
    This is

    Bump Firing an M1911A


  71. buzzsawmonkey
    71 | November 9, 2009 11:07

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Nah, I doubt even Obama would go that far. The Palis maybe but not Obama

    Check out this article, which suggests that the Arabs and Obama may have reached an understanding.


  72. 72 | November 9, 2009 11:07

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Thats new to many Christians. Israel is the most tolerant nation in the Middle East towards Christians.

    This is unreal, I keep telling you they are demonizing Israel like they did Serbia. It’s the same blueprint.


  73. vagabond trader
    73 | November 9, 2009 11:07

    @ Iron Fist:

    Not offensive to me. I’m a Jew, tho some here might dispute that,tough tiddy, and I have nothing but disdain for ANY Jew who voted for the Jew hater.

    Heres a link to the story.

    http://shawarmamayor.blogspot.com/2009/11/arabsunobama-plan-to-declare.html


  74. LGoPs
    74 | November 9, 2009 11:09

    calcajun wrote:

    @ LGoPs:
    This is
    Bump Firing an M1911A

    :( Blocked at work. Thanks anyway.


  75. Nevergiveup
    75 | November 9, 2009 11:10

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Yeah I read that, but I still don’t think he could do that politically, but hey I never thought he would get elected so we have to be vigilant to be sure


  76. vagabond trader
    76 | November 9, 2009 11:10

    @ Iron Fist:

    Not offensive to me IF. I’m a Jew, tho some here may dispute that fact; tough tiddy.I have nothing but disdain for ANY jew who supports these Jew haters in the WH.

    Link to story mentioned:

    http://shawarmamayor.blogspot.com/2009/11/arabsunobama-plan-to-declare.html


  77. bar
    77 | November 9, 2009 11:10

    @ calcajun:

    Not the same thing.

    Those “Christians”, did illegal and violent acts in spite of what their scriptures teach.
    10 commandments ring a bell?

    Moslems do these illegal and violent acts in light of what the Qur’an teaches.


  78. 78 | November 9, 2009 11:11

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Obama made his sympathies pretty clear during the election. He sides with the Mohammedans. Against Israel, there is no doubt. Against the US? well, that is an interesting question, isn’t it?


  79. vagabond trader
    79 | November 9, 2009 11:11

    testing


  80. vagabond trader
    80 | November 9, 2009 11:12

    That was weird my comment didn’t post.


  81. NoThreat2U
    81 | November 9, 2009 11:12

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    You know, after reading that article, I have to ask: Why is it that all over the frakkin’ world, the motards are asking for autonomy in parts of a larger country? We see this in the Phillipines today. They ask for an area of land to call their own and the international community goes wild over making it happen….all in the name of peace. Yet Israel, teeny tiny Israel is to be squished and squished until she exists no more. I guess my question is why are THEY entitled to a “homeland” (real or percieved) But the Jews are not? Please someone answer this for me. It really is a simple question.


  82. 82 | November 9, 2009 11:13

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ WrathofG-d:
    There are also rumors afoot that Obama, in conjunction with the Palestinian Authority, is going to unilaterally declare/recognize a “Palestinian State” with Jerusalem as its capital.

    I really don’t know how I would respond to something like that.


  83. MightyConservative
    83 | November 9, 2009 11:13

    @ Rodan:

    He’ll probably say those guys are obviously white supremacists and were lying to further their agenda.


  84. wolfie
    84 | November 9, 2009 11:13

    @ Iron Fist:

    70% of ‘Jewish-Americans’ voted for Obama. But then, a majority of ‘Catholics’did too. IIRC 53%.
    There’s a whole lot of stupid to go around.
    And bulls**t.


  85. buzzsawmonkey
    85 | November 9, 2009 11:14

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Obama made his sympathies pretty clear during the election. He sides with the Mohammedans. Against Israel, there is no doubt. Against the US? well, that is an interesting question, isn’t it?

    You are questioning the President’s patriotism? Get off your website.


  86. vagabond trader
    86 | November 9, 2009 11:14

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Heres the story, fresh off the press.

    http://shawarmamayor.blogspot.com/2009/11/arabsunobama-plan-to-declare.html


  87. Overlook
    87 | November 9, 2009 11:14

    A good argument may be made for excluding liberal democrats as army recruits.
    They do not recognize any enemies of America, other than their political opponents.


  88. Silhouette
    88 | November 9, 2009 11:15

    @ WrathofG-d:

    If their point is that Israel, the only Jewish state on the planet, gives more support to Judaism than other religions, I don’t have a problem with that.

    If we could quantify it, the State Department is complaining about a 2 on a religious bias scale of 1-100, while ignoring countries that are 99s.


  89. 89 | November 9, 2009 11:15

    @ vagabond trader:

    All that goddamn fucking foul language you pissed all over the blog. You should watch that shit…

    :evil:


  90. buzzsawmonkey
    90 | November 9, 2009 11:15

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    I guess my question is why are THEY entitled to a “homeland” (real or percieved) But the Jews are not? Please someone answer this for me. It really is a simple question.

    Arabs never lose title: Jews never gain title. Didn’t you get the memo?


  91. vagabond trader
    91 | November 9, 2009 11:16

    @ Iron Fist:

    What is odd, this is the story that would not post.Straight from the arses mouth.

    :D

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/8/801947/-Breaking:-Obama-w-Palestinians-might-declare-state-unilaterally


  92. snork
    92 | November 9, 2009 11:16

    Meanwhile, we have another political religion in the making:

    We’re doomed without a green religion

    The justification for burning heretics was perfectly simple: dissent threatened the survival of society. Nothing was worse than anarchy. This is a viewpoint most people in the West today find pretty much incomprehensible. It is a self-evident truth to them that morality must be a matter of individual choice. And if you believe that, the arguments around the Tim Nicholson case are very difficult to resolve. If there is a moral imperative to preserve the human race, or as much of it as possible, collective consequences must follow. It is not enough for us to do the right thing. Others must as well. If you don’t believe that, then there is no point in agitating for success in Copenhagen.


  93. Overlook
    93 | November 9, 2009 11:17

    @ wolfie:

    There is a whole lot of “educated” to go round. High percentage of college educated and very high percentage of academics vote left.
    If a little learning is a dangerous thing, a college education is fatal.


  94. 94 | November 9, 2009 11:18

    @ wolfie:

    I don’t get Catholics voting Democrat either. either the pope is the Vicar of Christ or he isn’t. If you believe he is, then the Democrats stand for everything a lot that he is against and he against everything an awful lot of what they are for. If you are a Baptist, maybe you can square that, but I wouldn’t think a Catholic could.


  95. Ed Mahmoud
    95 | November 9, 2009 11:18

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Ignoring the Sephardim and the Ethiopians, as most libtards do, Jews are White, and part of the oppressing imperialistic White race that must be punished.


  96. 96 | November 9, 2009 11:19

    @ vagabond trader:

    Kos – that is foul beyond belief :-)


  97. bar
    97 | November 9, 2009 11:19

    I just freed the spam.
    The filter ate all kinds of comments.


  98. vagabond trader
    98 | November 9, 2009 11:20

    Hey anyone else experiencing this weirdness? I tried a couple of times to post, it didn’t show up and now all my efforts are posted.


  99. NoThreat2U
    99 | November 9, 2009 11:21

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yeah, I scanned the memo, I just can’t figure out WHY. Is it pure unadulterated hate??? WHY!?!?!?!?! Jealousy? That very well could be it…look at all the innovations that come from Israel. I really think the moes want to be the Jews. They have already twisted religious texts. I’m going with jealousy.


  100. 100 | November 9, 2009 11:21

    @ Nevergiveup:
    @ WrathofG-d:

    They have done this before. They are now demonizing Israel, like they did Serbia. The Bosnian Muslims unilaterally declared an independent state in Bosnia without the Serbs having a say. They were encouraged by the US, Europeans and Islamic countries.The Serbs fought back and were demonized for it.

    It’s the same blueprint. Also Goldstone was one of the biggest critics of Serbia as well. It’s the same cast of Characters. Now Israel is marked.

    Moral of the story, if more people stood by Serbia in the 90′s this would not be happening. I stood by Serbia in the 90′s and I stand by Israel today. But many who stand by Israel threw the Serbs under the Bus. Now I hope their hypocritical eyes are opened as to what is really going on.


  101. vagabond trader
    101 | November 9, 2009 11:21

    @ bar:

    So it was YOU who made me look like an inept fool. Oh wait, when it comes to the interwebs I AM an inept fool.

    :mrgreen:


  102. shadowman
    102 | November 9, 2009 11:23

    Last words of a terrorist

    One of the few – and certainly the most remarkable and troubling – glimpses into the minds and motives of the men who wrought the slaughter of 11 September is a four-page document, written in Arabic, found in the baggage of the suspected ringleader behind the carnage, Mohamed Atta.

    “When the confrontation begins, strike like champions who do not want to go back to this world. Shout, ‘Allahu Akbar,’ because this strikes fear in the hearts of the non-believers.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/sep/30/terrorism.september113


  103. NoThreat2U
    103 | November 9, 2009 11:23

    @ Rodan:

    THAT’S eggggzactly what my bitching is about!!!!!!!!!!!!


  104. newsjunkie_ky
    104 | November 9, 2009 11:23

    Guess the google people are celebrating sesame street’s trashing of ‘pox’ news. The last few days have been all muppet all the time.


  105. vagabond trader
    105 | November 9, 2009 11:24

    @ Iron Fist:

    Just for you IF.

    :D :D :D


  106. calcajun
    106 | November 9, 2009 11:24

    @ vagabond trader:
    Yep–by our definitions. See what I wrote above. And, he’s going to argue it in his defense.

    Consider the hundreds of thousands, if not a few million muslims that are in this country. Why aren’t they popping off in greater numbers given the tenants of their faith? I know a lot have– but if Isalm alone is the cause, then shouldn’t there be more–a lot more–incidents? It might be a poor analogy, but some have posited that some people are genetically predisposed to alcoholism, drug dependency (even homosexuality). Muslims, by their faith, are predisposed to aggressive/violent behavior. When then are there so few incidents given the relative size of the population in the US. Yes–I know there are a lot, including honor killings, etc., but my point is that there should be a lot more than what is being reported Granted, many are probably reported as being something other than what they are, but it still is not enough to alter the balance.

    There has to be a catalyst in these cases. It’s possible that Major Major finally decided whose side he was on. The government paid for his education, but part of his job was to tend to those who had been killing his fellow muslims and he was in for more of the same when he received orders to go to Afghanistan.

    Now, (to our mind) a rational individual when faced with such a dilemma, would have resigned his commission and taken whatever financial consequences came with it, i.e.; I think the US might have wanted some reimbursement. Instead, he comes up with the “blaze o’glory” scenario. I know this is western logic being applied to an illogical situation, but this guy was educated here, too (as I understand). I really think that someone wound him up and set him on this course– and that person or persons are criminally culpable.


  107. 107 | November 9, 2009 11:24

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree, the Democrat Party is very Anti-Catholic/Christian. No self respecting Catholic should ever vote for that Party.


  108. 108 | November 9, 2009 11:25

    @ LGoPs:
    Let’s see if this works for you:


  109. vagabond trader
    109 | November 9, 2009 11:25

    @ shadowman:

    Satanic bullsh*t.


  110. muddling forward
    110 | November 9, 2009 11:25

    calcajun wrote:

    Maybe BHO should have this guy and the female cop who shot him over for a beer. Sounds like it was a kooky misunderstanding all around.

    Credit where it’s due…Øbama didn’t say this cop acted stupidly.


  111. vagabond trader
    111 | November 9, 2009 11:27

    @ calcajun:

    My answer to that,Islam is the disease. Excise the tumor, disease gone.Simple.


  112. kansasconservative
    112 | November 9, 2009 11:27

    Holy crap, 1,0 finally says something, but it’s this:

    As information comes out that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the accused Fort Hood shooter, was possibly trying to make contact with Al Qaeda, the real question becomes: how did the military miss all the warning signs Hasan was emitting?

    Hell, Chuck, you missed it after the murders.


  113. vagabond trader
    113 | November 9, 2009 11:27

    @ muddling forward:

    Love that avatar. Very striking.


  114. 114 | November 9, 2009 11:28

    WAY OT:

    AP
    Berliners get ready to symbolically tumble a line of 1,000 giant dominos to mark the 20th anniversary of the ‘Fall of The Wall’ — with Bon Jovi performing, ‘We Weren’t Born to Follow,’ of course

    http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=5

    /OH YEAH, DEATH TO TERRORISTS!


  115. 115 | November 9, 2009 11:28

    @ NoThreat2U:

    The problem is too many people don’t see the Israeli-Arab struggle as part of a larger Imperialist action. They support just Israel but not others like the Philippines or Thailand who are resisting as well.

    Either people unite or hang separately. Israel is just one front in a larger war. That’s how I view it. I just wish some Pro-Israel people would wake up and realize they are not alone and should reach out to others who are confronting Imperial aggression.


  116. snork
    116 | November 9, 2009 11:28

    wolfie wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    70% of ‘Jewish-Americans’ voted for Obama. But then, a majority of ‘Catholics’did too. IIRC 53%.
    There’s a whole lot of stupid to go around.
    And bulls**t.

    However, there’s no group of Mohammedans trying to take over the Vatican.


  117. 117 | November 9, 2009 11:29

    @ Bunk X:

    You can do what you are tlking about by having a very light trigger pull. I used to have a friend with a race-gun that had a 1oz. pull. It was almost like a machinegun.


  118. NoThreat2U
    118 | November 9, 2009 11:29

    @ shadowman:
    This seems fitting: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/38673


  119. 119 | November 9, 2009 11:29

    @ IslandLibertarian:

    Coldwarrior has a guest post on this that will post in 2 1/2 hours.


  120. Silhouette
    120 | November 9, 2009 11:29

    bar wrote:

    It means “Allah is greater”, it is a direct challenge of deities to those who are being attacked.

    Compare that to bumper stickers that say “God Bless Everyone, NO EXCEPTIONS!” These are angry “counter arguments” to an argument no one is making, that those who say “God Bless America” are *really* saying “God Bless America and no one else.” (Leftists love figuring out what people *really* mean)

    The leftists intentionally misinterpret the saying to be exclusionary, while all the time ignoring the very real exclusionary element to Allahu Akbar.


  121. muddling forward
    121 | November 9, 2009 11:30

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ muddling forward:
    Love that avatar. Very striking.

    Thanks. *blushing*
    It was wery-wery tiny on lgf. Too loud here?


  122. NoThreat2U
    122 | November 9, 2009 11:30

    @ Rodan:
    I quite concur ; )


  123. bar
    123 | November 9, 2009 11:30

    @ vagabond trader:
    Sorry about that.
    Me and the spam filter are coordinating our attacks on the netizens.

    :lol:


  124. 124 | November 9, 2009 11:30

    Silhouette wrote:

    @ WrathofG-d:
    If their point is that Israel, the only Jewish state on the planet, gives more support to Judaism than other religions, I don’t have a problem with that.
    If we could quantify it, the State Department is complaining about a 2 on a religious bias scale of 1-100, while ignoring countries that are 99s.

    OT

    Yes, pretty much. Its amazing that they can be so critical of Israel, while BOWING to Saudi Arabia that doesn’t allow non-Muslims (and the “orthodox” ones at that since they don’t have reform Islam) into major cities.

    On a similar point this week the U.K. Supreme Court is deciding what it means to be a Jew – Judaism be damned.

    Religion? Race? U.K. courts tackle questions of who is a Jew and who decides


  125. 125 | November 9, 2009 11:31

    @ snork:

    Oh no disagree, they do target Rome. The Islamo-Imperialists have stated that after Israel, Spain and Italy are next. They want Rome and have always wanted it. After Constantinople it is their next prize.


  126. father_of_10
    126 | November 9, 2009 11:33

    The US is leading the war against terrorism which in reality is a war against Islam.

    There, he said it. Islam = Terrorism.

    But we all knew that, didn’t we.


  127. 127 | November 9, 2009 11:33

    @ IslandLibertarian:

    Death to terrorists. I have a refrigerator magnet that says “Death to Suicide Bombers”

    :-P


  128. buzzsawmonkey
    128 | November 9, 2009 11:33

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    I have to ask: Why is it that all over the frakkin’ world, the motards are asking for autonomy in parts of a larger country?

    Camel. Nose. Tent.


  129. muddling forward
    129 | November 9, 2009 11:33

    Silhouette wrote:

    bar wrote:
    It means “Allah is greater”, it is a direct challenge of deities to those who are being attacked.
    Compare that to bumper stickers that say “God Bless Everyone, NO EXCEPTIONS!” These are angry “counter arguments” to an argument no one is making, that those who say “God Bless America” are *really* saying “God Bless America and no one else.” (Leftists love figuring out what people *really* mean)
    The leftists intentionally misinterpret the saying to be exclusionary, while all the time ignoring the very real exclusionary element to Allahu Akbar.

    I never ever considered, nor gave that message a second thought. You’re right.


  130. Nevergiveup
    130 | November 9, 2009 11:34

    kansasconservative wrote:

    Holy crap, 1,0 finally says something, but it’s this:

    As information comes out that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the accused Fort Hood shooter, was possibly trying to make contact with Al Qaeda, the real question becomes: how did the military miss all the warning signs Hasan was emitting?

    Hell, Chuck, you missed it after the murders.

    Ya know how the Long haired hippie always has a lot to say now a days? Hardly a peep from him on this one? I guess he doesn’t want to screw with his newly minted liberal credentials?


  131. S the Elder
  132. vagabond trader
    132 | November 9, 2009 11:35

    @ muddling forward:

    Nope,I likes teh purdy colors, makes me :-)


  133. wolfie
    133 | November 9, 2009 11:36

    @ bar:
    There’s another problem with the you-do-it-too-just-not-as-much crap.
    In the first place, in the 36 years since Roe v Wade was imposed on us, there have been 8 murders of abortion-workers by 7 assassins, two of whom were certifiably psychotic and legally insane. Hell, the environmental movement and PETA types have racked up far more deaths than that in the same period. (IIRC, over 60.) You really are talking about a tiny fringe of isolated individuals.

    More important, Christians as a whole (and pro-lifers) vociferously denounce such acts as MURDER, even when the victim is a POS like George Tiller. They do not dance in the streets and hand out candy.

    I am tired of anything that even suggests moral equivalency in this matter.


  134. 134 | November 9, 2009 11:36

    OT:

    Oh yea, this too from the Turkish Muslims.

    Erdogan says favors Bashir over Netanyahu


  135. NoThreat2U
    135 | November 9, 2009 11:36

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    That’s soooo depressing : (


  136. buzzsawmonkey
    136 | November 9, 2009 11:37

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    On a similar point this week the U.K. Supreme Court is deciding what it means to be a Jew – Judaism be damned.

    Religion? Race? U.K. courts tackle questions of who is a Jew and who decides

    There is a family in my congregation where the mother was born to a mother who had converted by a non-Orthodox conversion. The mother in my congregation, who had been raised as a Jew, nonetheless underwent an Orthodox conversion, as did her children.


  137. muddling forward
    137 | November 9, 2009 11:38

    father_of_10 wrote:

    The US is leading the war against terrorism which in reality is a war against Islam.
    There, he said it. Islam = Terrorism.
    But we all knew that, didn’t we.

    Even though this was written almost a year ago, I read this only yesterday. Scheherazade Needs A New Tale
    Worth a read. A keeper.


  138. Nevergiveup
    138 | November 9, 2009 11:38

    389 Neo_
    Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:35:49am
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    Maybe if Janet Napolitano hadn’t been spending so much time scrutinizing “tea-bag people” she could have connected the dots on the worst domestic terrorism since 9/11.

    Hey where is Kilgore Trout?


  139. vagabond trader
    139 | November 9, 2009 11:39

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Looks like the orthodox rabbi had some input in the determination of who is a Jew.


  140. Carolina Girl
    140 | November 9, 2009 11:39

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Reporters will be minizing the dangers of islamofacists and jihad and denying the threat right up to the moment they cut off their pretty little talking heads.


  141. calcajun
    141 | November 9, 2009 11:40

    @ Bunk X:
    GMTA. That’s the exact clip I found.


  142. 142 | November 9, 2009 11:41

    @ Rodan:
    I just watched it live……….where was “0″(pronounced zero)?
    The celebration of the greatest spread of freedom in modern history and “0″(pronounced zero) is nowhere to be seen.

    /Destroy ALL terrorists!


  143. Overlook
    143 | November 9, 2009 11:42

    @ calcajun:

    ” Muslims, by their faith, are predisposed to aggressive/violent behavior. When then are there so few incidents given the relative size of the population in the US.”

    Islam was a spent force at the fall of the Ottoman empire. What revived it was the Muslim Brotherhood political ideology borrowed from the horrifying European collectivist and nationalist ideologies of the twentieth century. The Koranic blueprint for conquest in the 7th Century was adapted for the purposes of pan-Arabic politics and universal Islam.

    Which is not to say that people inculcated with bad ideas are not disposed to violence, just that they may not be “predisposed”. Ideological violence dwells in the mind, not the blood.


  144. calcajun
    144 | November 9, 2009 11:42

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    And if this could happen here, too. Of course, there are some of us that would never want to visit Michigan./


  145. Silhouette
    145 | November 9, 2009 11:42

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Nah, the Tea Partiers would have racked up tons of attacks if Napolitano hadn’t wisely been monitoring them.

    /sarc


  146. Nevergiveup
    146 | November 9, 2009 11:43

    Supreme Court Refuses to Stop D.C. Sniper Mastermind’s Execution

    Bye Bye asshole!


  147. calcajun
    147 | November 9, 2009 11:44

    @ vagabond trader:
    but you might kill the patient in the process.


  148. 148 | November 9, 2009 11:44

    @ Iron Fist:
    I was in Bali after the bombing of the Sari Club and Paddys Pub in Kuta that killed 300+. There were “FUCK TERRORISM!” Tee-shirts everywhere for sale. Got a picture somewhere.


  149. calcajun
    149 | November 9, 2009 11:44

    @ Nevergiveup:
    You see, Mondays aren’t so bad afterall.


  150. Ed Mahmoud
  151. muddling forward
    151 | November 9, 2009 11:45

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Supreme Court Refuses to Stop D.C. Sniper Mastermind’s Execution

    Bye Bye asshole!

    The timing of this guys permanent removal from this planet couldn’t come at a better time.


  152. Carolina Girl
    152 | November 9, 2009 11:46

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Truthfully, I never thought he’d be elected either. I figured those polls were people saying they’d vote for him so that they wouldn’t get the “why not” with it’s implied “is it because he’s black?” if they said they wouldn’t vote for him.

    I didn’t think the population could look at this moron, look at his secrecy, look at this lack of experience and record, then look at the times we were living in and actually think a twit like that could run the country.

    Of course, I pick the lottery numbers wrong every week, too. That should really have given me a head’s up.


  153. 153 | November 9, 2009 11:46

    @ IslandLibertarian:

    For him that day is a tragedy!


  154. vagabond trader
    154 | November 9, 2009 11:46

    @ calcajun:

    With this one and all other jihadis suits me fine.

    :-)


  155. 155 | November 9, 2009 11:47

    @ calcajun:
    I clicked on it from your post, posted it here because LGoPs couldn’t link to it directly from work.


  156. S the Elder
    156 | November 9, 2009 11:47

    Silhouette wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Nah, the Tea Partiers would have racked up tons of attacks if Napolitano hadn’t wisely been monitoring them.
    /sarc

    It’s good she stopped them…otherwise the people who built this country would have taken it back…


  157. 157 | November 9, 2009 11:48

    @ IslandLibertarian:

    Cool! That is how it should be. The fuckers that call these fucks heros should be themselves targets.

    Death to Terrorists and their Supporters.

    Death to the Enemy


  158. wolfie
    158 | November 9, 2009 11:49

    snork wrote:

    However, there’s no group of Mohammedans trying to take over the Vatican.

    Actually, there is. The conquest of Rome is a major, ultimate goal.
    But of course you are right that the situation at present is entirely different for Israel, which stands NOW at the front of the line.

    (The chief reason that no Catholic should have voted for Obama is because he is not even “pro-choice,” but a pro-abortion extremist.)


  159. S the Elder
    159 | November 9, 2009 11:49

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ IslandLibertarian:
    Cool! That is how it should be. The fuckers that call these fucks heros should be themselves targets.
    Death to Terrorists and their Supporters.
    Death to the Enemy

    racist…//


  160. Silhouette
    160 | November 9, 2009 11:50

    @ Nevergiveup:

    There has got to be a better term than mastermind. Most of these terrorists could barely think their way out of a paper bag, or a cave in Afghanistan. Reporters gush about how detailed plans were, that typically boil down to, “Hey, everyone attack at the same time. Here are watches.” I understand the need to distinguish the one directing the actions with some sort of term, but I’d opt for a more mundane one, like “project manager.”


  161. vagabond trader
    161 | November 9, 2009 11:51

    Saw a car today with a very cool magnet shaped like a ribbon snake and it read Don’t Tread on Me. Never saw the motto in this form. I want one!


  162. 162 | November 9, 2009 11:52

    @ wolfie:

    It has been since the time of the Pedophile Mo. After Israel their next targets are Spain and Italy.


  163. calcajun
    163 | November 9, 2009 11:52

    S the Elder wrote:

    It’s good she stopped them…otherwise the people who built this country would have taken it back…

    You mean the Indians and the Irish?//


  164. vagabond trader
    164 | November 9, 2009 11:52

    @ Silhouette:

    Man caused disaster supervisor. Too wordy?


  165. father_of_10
    165 | November 9, 2009 11:53

    calcajun wrote:

    S the Elder wrote:
    It’s good she stopped them…otherwise the people who built this country would have taken it back…
    You mean the Indians and the Irish?//

    Not the Irish!


  166. Carolina Girl
    166 | November 9, 2009 11:54

    IslandLibertarian wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I just watched it live……….where was “0″(pronounced zero)?
    The celebration of the greatest spread of freedom in modern history and “0″(pronounced zero) is nowhere to be seen.
    /Destroy ALL terrorists!

    He…ahem…didn’t go. I’ve heard that it was because he wasn’t invited to speak, and that it would be very much about what Reagan and Thatcher did to accomplish the fall of Communisim in Eastern Europe (probably something that bothers Zero to this day).

    My guess is if it wasn’t going to be all about Zero and if he isn’t the “headliner,” he doesn’t go. Considering the way he takes AF-1 out for a spin like it was his daddy’s Camaro and the folks are away for a week, He just can’t stand not being at an event that isn’t all about HIM.


  167. shadowman
    167 | November 9, 2009 11:55

    @ S the Elder:

    Yes,it’s true that’s a true copy of his card found at his apartment. Soldier of Allah fits with SWT after it.It can’t mean anything else.


  168. wolfie
    168 | November 9, 2009 11:55

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Another good result from the GOP resurgence in Virginia. Gov. Kaine will not dare remit this butcher’s sentence.


  169. vagabond trader
    169 | November 9, 2009 11:55

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yup that sounds like our gracious freedom loving Hussein.


  170. 170 | November 9, 2009 11:56

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    WrathofG-d wrote:
    On a similar point this week the U.K. Supreme Court is deciding what it means to be a Jew – Judaism be damned.
    Religion? Race? U.K. courts tackle questions of who is a Jew and who decides
    There is a family in my congregation where the mother was born to a mother who had converted by a non-Orthodox conversion. The mother in my congregation, who had been raised as a Jew, nonetheless underwent an Orthodox conversion, as did her children.

    That is great. I have my own personal opinions on which conversions are valid, etc., but what bothers me about the UK decision is that they would get involved at all. In the end they aren’t discussing or arguing UK law but instead Jewish Law. To make all this worse, the decisions are being made by people who are hardly scholars in the subject.

    It is also quit offensive that they would ask this question regarding “who is a Jew” while at the same time bend the entire UK society over backwards to accommodate Sharia.

    What is the difference between Islam and Judaism in this case (ie: what makes the UK so willing to push Halacha around but cower to Sharia?): Terrorism!

    Terrorism works.


  171. Da_Beerfreak
    171 | November 9, 2009 11:57

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Saw a car today with a very cool magnet shaped like a ribbon snake and it read Don’t Tread on Me. Never saw the motto in this form. I want one!

    Me Too!!!!


  172. S the Elder
    172 | November 9, 2009 11:57

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Zero doesn’t like how the Gipper pried open that fist…


  173. 173 | November 9, 2009 11:57

    @ Iron Fist:

    The “Fuck Terrorism!” tee-shirts were being sold and worn by Muslims.
    $$$ speaks louder than ideology sometimes.


  174. vagabond trader
    174 | November 9, 2009 11:59

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Trying to find it online, no luck. When I do will let you know.

    :D


  175. Silhouette
    175 | November 9, 2009 12:01

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I’ve heard that it was because he wasn’t invited to speak

    Hard to give a speech full of “I this and I that” if they don’t even give you a mic.


  176. Da_Beerfreak
    176 | November 9, 2009 12:01

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Trying to find it online, no luck. When I do will let you know.

    Thanks, I’ll start looking around too.


  177. Lily
    177 | November 9, 2009 12:03

    @ Iron Fist:

    Most Catholic’s from my area did not vote for Obama.
    My family included. Did not vote for Obama.


  178. muddling forward
    178 | November 9, 2009 12:03

    S the Elder wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Zero doesn’t like how the Gipper pried open that fist…

    Øbama’s attendance would most certainly offend his base. Better he send Hillary.


  179. Silhouette
    179 | November 9, 2009 12:04

    On the thread title, is it Hasan or Hassan? I thought Nidal spelled it with one s.


  180. vagabond trader
    180 | November 9, 2009 12:04

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    None on ebay,very surprised.


  181. Carolina Girl
    181 | November 9, 2009 12:05

    <Lily wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Most Catholic’s from my area did not vote for Obama.
    My family included. Did not vote for Obama.

    My family didn’t either. But there were plenty of people at our parish church that did – all Democrat numbskulls, who’d vote for Joseph Stalin if he was on the ballot with a “D” next to him name.

    Blind fools.


  182. vagabond trader
    182 | November 9, 2009 12:06

    @ IslandLibertarian:

    LOL. No surprise that capitalism is strong in the Asian Muslim population.


  183. wolfie
    183 | November 9, 2009 12:07

    Heh. I just heard on the news that Hillary praised Gorbachev for bringing the wall down. They actually still believe that crap!


  184. 184 | November 9, 2009 12:08

    Shamelessly pinched from a freeper thread, picture of the day!


  185. Silhouette
    185 | November 9, 2009 12:08

    http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/snauma.html

    Don’t Tread on Me/Gadsden Flag/Snake car magnet
    $4.95


  186. Carolina Girl
    186 | November 9, 2009 12:08

    muddling forward wrote:

    S the Elder wrote:
    @ Carolina Girl:
    Zero doesn’t like how the Gipper pried open that fist…
    Øbama’s attendance would most certainly offend his base. Better he send Hillary.

    For what it’s worth, and believe me, I hate saying nice things about her, I think Hillary would represent this country better at that ceremony than it’s elected leader would.

    Is Dame Thatcher invited and did she go, anyone know?


  187. Nevergiveup
    187 | November 9, 2009 12:09

    wolfie wrote:

    Heh. I just heard on the news that Hillary praised Gorbachev for bringing the wall down. They actually still believe that crap!

    Yeah and Obama phoned it in.


  188. bar
    188 | November 9, 2009 12:10

    @ Silhouette:
    I have seen it spelled both ways.


  189. Carolina Girl
    189 | November 9, 2009 12:10

    @ Rightside:

    Charles spouts off about racist pictures at Freep and racism promulgated on the “stalker” site in 5…4…3…2…


  190. Silhouette
    190 | November 9, 2009 12:10

    Re: the ad in my #185 post, I love that the sample picture is taken on a beat up Chevy that looks like it is held shut with a bungee cord.


  191. Carolina Girl
    191 | November 9, 2009 12:11

    Has anyone seen or talked to Speranza – has he been on the threads and I’ve missed it?


  192. Da_Beerfreak
    192 | November 9, 2009 12:12

    Silhouette wrote:

    http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/snauma.html
    Don’t Tread on Me/Gadsden Flag/Snake car magnet
    $4.95

    Thanks, I’ve got it bookmarked.


  193. father_of_10
    193 | November 9, 2009 12:12

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    muddling forward wrote:
    S the Elder wrote:
    @ Carolina Girl:
    Zero doesn’t like how the Gipper pried open that fist…
    Øbama’s attendance would most certainly offend his base. Better he send Hillary.
    For what it’s worth, and believe me, I hate saying nice things about her, I think Hillary would represent this country better at that ceremony than it’s elected leader would.
    Is Dame Thatcher invited and did she go, anyone know?

    Hillary would’ve certainly made a better president than 0. That’s not saying she would’ve been a good president.


  194. CloudyDay
    194 | November 9, 2009 12:13

    <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6528326/Fort-Hood-shooting-FBI-to-investigate-reports-gunman-said-non-Muslims-should-be-beheaded.html”>Fort Hood shooting: FBI to investigate reports gunman said non-Muslims should be beheaded

    The FBI will investigate a report that Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America’s Fort Hood military base, told colleagues that non-Muslims should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

    Radical Imam Blogs His Support of Ft. Hood Shooter


  195. 195 | November 9, 2009 12:13

    Don’t tread on me.


  196. S the Elder
    196 | November 9, 2009 12:13

    father_of_10 wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    muddling forward wrote:
    S the Elder wrote:
    @ Carolina Girl:
    Zero doesn’t like how the Gipper pried open that fist…
    Øbama’s attendance would most certainly offend his base. Better he send Hillary.
    For what it’s worth, and believe me, I hate saying nice things about her, I think Hillary would represent this country better at that ceremony than it’s elected leader would.
    Is Dame Thatcher invited and did she go, anyone know?
    Hillary would’ve certainly made a better president than 0. That’s not saying she would’ve been a good president.

    at least she has balls…


  197. vagabond trader
    197 | November 9, 2009 12:14

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Thats it! Thanks!


  198. Carolina Girl
    198 | November 9, 2009 12:15

    @ father_of_10:

    Every grocery clerk at my local Raley’s would be a better President. At least they understand the concept of living withing their means, doing without if you don’t have the money, and actually working for a living.


  199. Aladin Sane
    199 | November 9, 2009 12:15

    S the Elder wrote:

    father_of_10 wrote:
    Carolina Girl wrote:
    muddling forward wrote:
    S the Elder wrote:
    @ Carolina Girl:
    Zero doesn’t like how the Gipper pried open that fist…
    Øbama’s attendance would most certainly offend his base. Better he send Hillary.
    For what it’s worth, and believe me, I hate saying nice things about her, I think Hillary would represent this country better at that ceremony than it’s elected leader would.
    Is Dame Thatcher invited and did she go, anyone know?
    Hillary would’ve certainly made a better president than 0. That’s not saying she would’ve been a good president.
    at least she has balls…

    Maybe so, but I still cringe at the idea of “The First Pants-suit”


  200. Da_Beerfreak
    200 | November 9, 2009 12:16

    Silhouette wrote:

    Re: the ad in my #185 post, I love that the sample picture is taken on a beat up Chevy that looks like it is held shut with a bungee cord.

    You know you’re a redneck if filling the gas tank of your truck doubles its value.


  201. Silhouette
    201 | November 9, 2009 12:17

    PAJAMAS MEDIA BULLETIN: Iranian Rockets Captured by Israel Identical to Rockets Fired At U.S. Bases in Iraq

    Casus Belli #4123, I believe, if you’re counting.


  202. Da_Beerfreak
    202 | November 9, 2009 12:19

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Thats it! Thanks!

    Don’t thank me. All the credit has to go to:
    Silhouette wrote:

    http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/snauma.html
    Don’t Tread on Me/Gadsden Flag/Snake car magnet
    $4.95


  203. 203 | November 9, 2009 12:19

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Charles is pure, and has never made a racist comment ever.

    Hippie control freak.

    Should that person who created that illustration, made zero up in whiteface?


  204. RIX
    204 | November 9, 2009 12:19

    I know that I am late to the discussion , but it should be pointed out that Johnson claimed that the shooters name was probably African American. He also said that there was no evidence that he shouted “Allah Akbar.”

    So,the picture must be a photo shop & eye witnesses are lying.
    In the alternative Chuckie is wrong?


  205. Nevergiveup
    205 | November 9, 2009 12:21

    The Imam at some mosque the scumbag prayed at in Washington is white washing the whole thing on FOX News now


  206. vagabond trader
    206 | November 9, 2009 12:22

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Wondering the same. I think the last time I saw him was at the beginning of the healthcare thread on Saturday. He was pretty disgusted as we all were.


  207. wolfie
    207 | November 9, 2009 12:23

    @ RIX:
    GET OFF MY BLOG!!!!


  208. vagabond trader
    208 | November 9, 2009 12:23

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    LOL! Thanks Sil!


  209. Aladin Sane
    209 | November 9, 2009 12:24

    RIX wrote:

    I know that I am late to the discussion , but it should be pointed out that Johnson claimed that the shooters name was probably African American. He also said that there was no evidence that he shouted “Allah Akbar.”
    So,the picture must be a photo shop & eye witnesses are lying.
    In the alternative Chuckie is wrong?</blockquote>

    Well, now that you put it that way, they must be liars and the pictures must be Photoshopped.


  210. Aladin Sane
    210 | November 9, 2009 12:24

    crap! Is there a preview on this thing?


  211. Lily
    211 | November 9, 2009 12:25

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yes I concur with you that their are many democrats that simply vote in whoever has the D by their name, without an ounce of knowledge of excatly who that person is.


  212. 212 | November 9, 2009 12:25

    S the Elder wrote:

    at least she has balls…

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Stands to pee too….


  213. Nevergiveup
    213 | November 9, 2009 12:25

    Shep the moron Smith on Fox still doesn’t know scumbags “motivation” for kiling American Soldiers? Stupidity and PC was be like a warm blanket?


  214. RIX
    214 | November 9, 2009 12:26

    wolfie wrote:

    @ RIX:
    GET OFF MY BLOG!!!!

    Wait Charles, don’t ban me. I so totally agree with you.


  215. lobo91
    215 | November 9, 2009 12:26

    @ Silhouette:

    There has got to be a better term than mastermind. Most of these terrorists could barely think their way out of a paper bag, or a cave in Afghanistan.

    They need to stop using the term “sniper” to describe every asshole who kills someone with a rifle, as well.

    A sniper is a soldier or law enforcement officer who has undergone extremely rigorous training in long-range shooting.

    I don’t think any of the shots those assholes took were much over 100 yards, against stationary civilian targets. I’m pretty sure my wife could do better, and she’s never spent a day in the military.


  216. orangecrush
    216 | November 9, 2009 12:29

    This guy sounds like a democrat. An Al Gore Crony, An Obama mentor, A Howard Dean Fluffer.


  217. waldensianspirit
    217 | November 9, 2009 12:29

    Why isn’t this imam and his cohorts arrested? They are the commanders of terrorism and the slaves of allah who carry out murder and blood sacrifice.


  218. vagabond trader
    218 | November 9, 2009 12:31

    @ orangecrush:

    Would not surprise me if Gore shook him down for campaign contributions in the 90s.


  219. RIX
    219 | November 9, 2009 12:31

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Shep the moron Smith on Fox still doesn’t know scumbags “motivation” for kiling American Soldiers? Stupidity and PC was be like a warm blanket?

    He is going to have a poll. Hmmm, let me think , what was his motivation?
    The FNC poll now shows 84% say terrorism. For some weird reason Shep & Napalitano are whitewashing it. They are both worried that this may inhibit Muslim recruitment.


  220. orangecrush
    220 | November 9, 2009 12:32

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Shep Smith is suffering from intentional cognitive dissonance. He is passively aggressively pretending to be stupid. He makes all of his media work suspect for integrity by doing that. one can doubt his sincerity with confidence. I noticed this during Hurricane Katrina. He was trying to be the news.


  221. waldensianspirit
    221 | November 9, 2009 12:32

    @ RIX:
    Not just wrong but a racist for pulling the old “some black guy did it; they all look alike” shtick.


  222. Da_Beerfreak
    222 | November 9, 2009 12:32

    Aladin Sane wrote:

    crap! Is there a preview on this thing?

    Not yet, it’s suppose to be back “Real Soon Now”.
    Until then just do what I do, close your eyes and hit the “Submit Comment” button…


  223. lobo91
    223 | November 9, 2009 12:34

    @ Silhouette:

    PAJAMAS MEDIA BULLETIN: Iranian Rockets Captured by Israel Identical to Rockets Fired At U.S. Bases in Iraq

    Casus Belli #4123, I believe, if you’re counting.

    Nothing particularly new about that. We recover Iranian ordnance all the time from caches in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The Iranians basically shrug and say that the fact insurgents have their weapons doesn’t prove that they provided them.


  224. Nevergiveup
    224 | November 9, 2009 12:36

    RIX wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Shep the moron Smith on Fox still doesn’t know scumbags “motivation” for kiling American Soldiers? Stupidity and PC was be like a warm blanket?

    He is going to have a poll. Hmmm, let me think , what was his motivation?
    The FNC poll now shows 84% say terrorism. For some weird reason Shep & Napalitano are whitewashing it. They are both worried that this may inhibit Muslim recruitment.

    They are both ignorant morons


  225. bar
    225 | November 9, 2009 12:37

    @ calcajun:

    Well Moslems are people too.
    So like Christians, Jews and others, you have Moslems that are religious to varying degrees.
    With different sects, some I assume emphasize the violence aspects more then others.

    I also have personal knowledge from a few Moslems with regard to how much they like America. A friend recently explained to me that here in America he can do pretty much whatever he wants (within reasonable America youth standards) and nobody cares.
    He said its not like that in Palestine or Jordan. Where everyone is watching you making sure you don’t step over some imaginary line.


  226. orangecrush
    226 | November 9, 2009 12:38

    @ Silhouette:
    Andy Rooney was on 60 minutes last night saying how bad war was and that Veterans Day should be renamed. I agree war is bad, but it’s still necessary as long as thugs like Kim Jong IL, chavez, and ahmadinejad are allowed to roam the earth corrupting the free will of people.

    Andy Rooney is an old man who has given up and saying “Ok I toss in the towel, I can’t live with it anymore, I’ll convert to Islam if that means peace”

    People should be saying “hell no” instead. Weak kneed old men need to stay in the rocker and hold their advice.


  227. Carolina Girl
    227 | November 9, 2009 12:38

    @ vagabond trader:

    I think I’ll shoot him an email and see what he’s up to….


  228. waldensianspirit
    228 | November 9, 2009 12:39

    @ RIX:

    They are both worried that this may inhibit Muslim recruitment.

    And the bad news?


  229. lobo91
    229 | November 9, 2009 12:39

    @ RIX:

    They are both worried that this may inhibit Muslim recruitment.

    And this would be a problem because…?


  230. orangecrush
    230 | November 9, 2009 12:39

    Jihadwatch has some good posts today

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/


  231. bar
    231 | November 9, 2009 12:40

    @ lobo91:
    You got that right.

    Hiding or lying in wait in the trunk of a car while poking your rifle out of some small hole takes hardly any skill whatsoever.


  232. lobo91
    232 | November 9, 2009 12:43

    Shepard Smith truly is a moron.

    “The 20th anniversary of the day when the wall came tumbling down.”

    Yup, that’s what happened. It just fell down.

    Shoddy construction, I guess…


  233. vagabond trader
    233 | November 9, 2009 12:43

    These “intelligence” fuggers are witholding vital info from each other just as they did prior to 9/11. Nice job in bringing everyone together Hussein. Change!/


  234. waldensianspirit
    234 | November 9, 2009 12:43

    lol


  235. Mad Mullah
    235 | November 9, 2009 12:43

    CHARLES – LGF

    I think it’s pretty damned appalling how many people in this thread have pre-judged this incident, and are using it to confirm their very obvious anti-Muslim bigotry.

    You were wrong Charles. And the disgusting PC environment on your blog is the same PC environment that enabled an Islamic terrorist to carry out the Fort Hood terrorist attack.

    It is also telling how liberals cautioned “let’s not jump to any conclusions!”. What they really meant is let’s not jump to the most obvious and common sense conclusion. Any theories that whitewash the terrorist and make excuses for him are of course welcome.


  236. Ma Sands
    236 | November 9, 2009 12:45

    @ bar:

    Okay. But, how about that part where these “varying degrees” of faithful Muslims, especially the “moderate & lesser”, are so much more statistically prone to hit that upper violence limit? That’s the part that niggles at my mind all the time, ’cause missionaries aren’t reaching enough of those, in this country…..


  237. tfc3rid
    237 | November 9, 2009 12:45

    I love how everyone is going all out to tiptoe around this. The second this asshat’s name was put out there by the AP, I knew this was Suddent Jihadi Syndrome or a planned activity… I don’t sugar coat terrorism…

    Too bad we live in a country now where a terror attack like this get swept under the rug… Makes you wonder if other terror attacks have as well…


  238. vagabond trader
    238 | November 9, 2009 12:45

    @ Mad Mullah:

    and what is worse lets pretend we aren’t enabling the climate for another 9/11.


  239. BuddyG
    239 | November 9, 2009 12:45

    Nidal Hassan is a Murdering Scumbag


  240. 240 | November 9, 2009 12:47

    @ Silhouette:

    I’m past done waiting for the Moderate Mohammedans (who also hate the Great and Lesser Satan, Christians and Jews) to take over Iran. Turn Terhan into a river of molten glass with a higher than normal background radiation.

    PS, Iranians – we hate you back.


  241. lobo91
    241 | November 9, 2009 12:47

    @ bar:

    This is a sniper:

    Gazing through the telescopic sight of his M24 rifle, Staff Sgt Jim Gilliland, leader of Shadow sniper team, fixed his eye on the Iraqi insurgent who had just killed an American soldier.

    His quarry stood nonchalantly in the fourth-floor bay window of a hospital in battle-torn Ramadi, still clasping a long-barrelled Kalashnikov. Instinctively allowing for wind speed and bullet drop, Shadow’s commander aimed 12 feet high.

    A single shot hit the Iraqi in the chest and killed him instantly. It had been fired from a range of 1,250 metres, well beyond the capacity of the powerful Leupold sight, accurate to 1,000 metres.

    “I believe it is the longest confirmed kill in Iraq with a 7.62mm rifle,” said Staff Sgt Gilliland, 28, who hunted squirrels in Double Springs, Alabama from the age of five before progressing to deer – and then people.


  242. tfc3rid
    242 | November 9, 2009 12:47

    vagabond trader wrote:

    These “intelligence” fuggers are witholding vital info from each other just as they did prior to 9/11. Nice job in bringing everyone together Hussein. Change!/

    The FBI/CIA/DHS Wall is back…


  243. tfc3rid
    243 | November 9, 2009 12:49

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Mad Mullah:
    and what is worse lets pretend we aren’t enabling the climate for another 9/11.

    And what will another 9/11 bring the American people to do? People who are being tread upon their own government…


  244. vagabond trader
    244 | November 9, 2009 12:49

    @ tfc3rid:

    Yup and we know what this will lead to and so do the jihadis. They are laughing their smelly arses off at President Wee Weed.


  245. savages_girl
    245 | November 9, 2009 12:49

    Hey gang! Just wanted to say “HI”. Interesting discussion. Too bad I’m at work. I am surprised I even got onto the site ’cause last time I was blocked. Some of the links you all posted were blocked too. Damn! I noticed some of you changed avatars (bar, Pbird, snork). One of these days I’ll get an avatar. Really worrisome this whole think with Hasan. What did he really say, what did he really mean, what did he really think, etc. This is going to get tossed around in the media ad nauseum. From everything we’ve heard through the media, everyone knew what this guy was about. Too bad they (politicos)feel a need to disect this whole thing. Seems pretty simple. I hope this brings about a lot of change in how and who we let into our (U.S.) military…


  246. Mad Mullah
    246 | November 9, 2009 12:50

    @ tfc3rid:

    There are many others. The scumbag due to be executed soon, the Beltway Sniper, was religiously motivated, he was an Islamic Jihadist scumbag, and that aspect was downplayed bigtime by the MSM at the time.


  247. waldensianspirit
    247 | November 9, 2009 12:50

    @ tfc3rid:
    They are directly encouraging more terrorism in America.

    And there is no reason for any Muslim to stay a Muslim in America; there are plenty of non-violent, non-bigoted, non-anti-Semitic philosophies and beliefs to choose from.


  248. tfc3rid
    248 | November 9, 2009 12:51

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ tfc3rid:
    Yup and we know what this will lead to and so do the jihadis. They are laughing their smelly arses off at President Wee Weed.

    Of course… It’s so clear now that the One is way in over his head and should never have been elected by the morons who fell for his garbage.


  249. RIX
    249 | November 9, 2009 12:52

    @ bar:
    bar
    225 | November 9, 2009 12:37 pm
    @ calcajun:

    Well Moslems are people too.
    So like Christians, Jews and others, you have Moslems that are religious to varying degrees.

    The problem is that as Muslims get pious & more into the Koarn, things get weird. To Moslems the Koran is the litteral Word of God, no metaphors or allegories.
    The koran is replete with commands to kill Infidels.
    As Christians & Jews get very pious, they are not commanded to kill.


  250. Delectable
    250 | November 9, 2009 12:52

    This whole topic is making my blood boil.

    This time it is personal, as I have a good friend who was stationed at Fort Hood for a number of years.

    The fact that the media is bending itself into pretzels to pretend Islam is a religion of peace is basically mind numbing!


  251. muddling forward
    251 | November 9, 2009 12:52

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Aladin Sane wrote:
    crap! Is there a preview on this thing?

    Not yet, it’s suppose to be back “Real Soon Now”.
    Until then just do what I do, close your eyes and hit the “Submit Comment” button…

    While working on the “Preview function” would you please reconsider the use of this word “submit”


  252. MikeA
    252 | November 9, 2009 12:53

    As a Christian I believe that only God will give the final judgment.. As an American I believe we need to arrange the meeting…


  253. lobo91
    253 | November 9, 2009 12:53

    @ bar:

    Well Moslems are people too.
    So like Christians, Jews and others, you have Moslems that are religious to varying degrees.
    With different sects, some I assume emphasize the violence aspects more then others.

    The problem is that the degree to which they’re “religious” isn’t always fixed.

    According to everything I’ve read about Hasan, prior to his mother’s death in 2001 he was basically a “secular” Muslim. Played sports in high school, joined the Army, all the usual stuff.

    All it took was one traumatic event to flip the switch and turn him from being “secular” to a “typical fundamentalist,” as the head of the Killeen mosque described him.


  254. vagabond trader
    254 | November 9, 2009 12:54

    @ Mad Mullah:

    Yes! I always believed the same.He is going to meet his deity this week. Boy will he be surprised when he realizes it isn’t what he believed.

    :twisted:


  255. tfc3rid
    255 | November 9, 2009 12:56

    Delectable wrote:

    This whole topic is making my blood boil.
    This time it is personal, as I have a good friend who was stationed at Fort Hood for a number of years.
    The fact that the media is bending itself into pretzels to pretend Islam is a religion of peace is basically mind numbing!

    The MSM is forcing a suspension of belief on this one… It walked like a Radical, talked like a Radical…


  256. 256 | November 9, 2009 12:56

    @ lobo91:

    God bless our snipers…


  257. vagabond trader
    257 | November 9, 2009 12:57

    @ lobo91:

    LOL, especially the foundation.


  258. 258 | November 9, 2009 12:57

    RIX wrote:

    @ bar:
    bar
    225 | November 9, 2009 12:37 pm
    @ calcajun:
    The problem is that as Muslims get pious & more into the Koarn, things get weird.

    Children of the Koarn…


  259. newsjunkie_ky
    259 | November 9, 2009 12:57

    Mad Mullah wrote:

    CHARLES – LGF
    I think it’s pretty damned appalling how many people in this thread have pre-judged this incident, and are using it to confirm their very obvious anti-Muslim bigotry.
    You were wrong Charles. And the disgusting PC environment on your blog is the same PC environment that enabled an Islamic terrorist to carry out the Fort Hood terrorist attack.
    It is also telling how liberals cautioned “let’s not jump to any conclusions!”. What they really meant is let’s not jump to the most obvious and common sense conclusion. Any theories that whitewash the terrorist and make excuses for him are of course welcome.

    I find his statements so laughable when not to long ago he was jumping on the bandwagon and reaching out two hands to help others on board.
    Holier than thou just doesn’t work there, people have long memories.


  260. Carolina Girl
    260 | November 9, 2009 12:58

    @ Mad Mullah:

    But when liberals like Chaz and the other “jump to conclusions” and “speculate” (i.e., federal worker killed around the time of the 9/12 TEA Party in Washington, so it must have been a Glenn Beck fan and not a coincidence) it’s perfectly understandable based on the evidence, and “you can see how we’d draw that conclusion.”

    As humans, with independent reasoning powers, we have every right to speculate and hypothesize. I remember before the OJ Simpson criminal trial, I said something about him killing his wife, and a lib in my office said “he’s innocent until proven guilty.” I said “the presumption of innocence only applies to the jury. I don’t presume anything – I think he’s guilty as spit.” Same here. Unless you can prove otherwise, an Major who follows Islam and yells Allahu Ahkbar as he’s gunning down unarmed people is a TERRORIST.

    It’s the JURY that has to presume he’s “innocent.” I think he’s a jihadist scum.


  261. Aladin Sane
    261 | November 9, 2009 12:58

    tfc3rid wrote:

    Delectable wrote:
    This whole topic is making my blood boil.
    This time it is personal, as I have a good friend who was stationed at Fort Hood for a number of years.
    The fact that the media is bending itself into pretzels to pretend Islam is a religion of peace is basically mind numbing!
    The MSM is forcing a suspension of belief on this one… It walked like a Radical, talked like a Radical…

    It seems like not only the MSM, but the concerned authorities as well.

    What’s the benefit to white-washing this whole thing? I don’t get it.


  262. 262 | November 9, 2009 12:59

    @ Delectable:

    It’s all about Progress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


  263. 263 | November 9, 2009 13:00

    LGoPs wrote:

    We are losing our country right in front of our eyes. And the only thing sadder than losing your country is losing your country because your citizens are too lazy and indifferent to even fucking notice.

    Instant link to write your senators. – form letter included should you want to use it, or write your own.


  264. vagabond trader
    264 | November 9, 2009 13:01

    @ Aladin Sane:

    Dhimmis all.


  265. RIX
    265 | November 9, 2009 13:01

    @ Bunk X:
    Children of the Koarn…

    Night of the living Fez.


  266. tfc3rid
    266 | November 9, 2009 13:02

    @ Aladin Sane:

    Like General Casey’s comment yesterday, “As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.”

    Are you kidding me? It’s incomprehensible to think that a US General would utter these words… Diversity can go screw when there is a traitor in the ranks and likely many more.

    And no, General, ACTUAL CASUALTIES of our young men and women is MUCH WORSE than losing DIVERSITY.


  267. muddling forward
    267 | November 9, 2009 13:02

    @ newsjunkie_ky:

    There’s no better word to describe Charles Johnson than TRAITOR.


  268. 268 | November 9, 2009 13:03

    Well, shit. I’m trying to change my gravitar. Any ideas?


  269. vagabond trader
    269 | November 9, 2009 13:04

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hubbly works with a Marine sniper. “One shot one kill.”

    Oh-oh I’m sure some weenie will take that as a threat.


  270. RIX
    270 | November 9, 2009 13:05

    See ya later.


  271. snork
    271 | November 9, 2009 13:05

    tfc3rid wrote:

    The FBI/CIA/DHS Wall is back…

    That was my reaction.


  272. Aladin Sane
    272 | November 9, 2009 13:05

    tfc3rid wrote:

    @ Aladin Sane:
    Like General Casey’s comment yesterday, “As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.”
    Are you kidding me? It’s incomprehensible to think that a US General would utter these words… Diversity can go screw when there is a traitor in the ranks and likely many more.
    And no, General, ACTUAL CASUALTIES of our young men and women is MUCH WORSE than losing DIVERSITY.

    Couldn’t agree more.

    I don’t see diversity as an acceptable yardstick for our military. Their measure of effectiveness is their ability to win wars.

    Seems like giving the opposing team the vistory because they have neater uniforms.


  273. Aladin Sane
    273 | November 9, 2009 13:07

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Well, shit. I’m trying to change my gravitar. Any ideas?

    Maybe something with, hmm, I don’t know, an Iron Fist on it?


  274. tfc3rid
    274 | November 9, 2009 13:07

    snork wrote:

    tfc3rid wrote:
    The FBI/CIA/DHS Wall is back…
    That was my reaction.

    Jamie Gorelick must be proud!


  275. lobo91
    275 | November 9, 2009 13:08

    @ tfc3rid:

    Casey is an ass.

    He should have been retired after his tour as MNF-I commander, where he presided over Iraq’s descent into civil war.

    Instead, he was promoted.

    Schoomaker was the only decent Chief of Staff the Army’s had in recent years, and he had to be called out of retirement to take the job.


  276. vagabond trader
    276 | November 9, 2009 13:08

    Brits saved our butts from another terror attack in NY.

    Funny how this story has gone all quiet here.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6529436/British-spies-help-prevent-al-Qaeda-inspired-attack-on-New-York-subway.html


  277. snork
    277 | November 9, 2009 13:08

    RIX wrote:

    The problem is that as Muslims get pious & more into the Koarn, things get weird. To Moslems the Koran is the litteral Word of God, no metaphors or allegories.
    The koran is replete with commands to kill Infidels.
    As Christians & Jews get very pious, they are not commanded to kill.

    The weirdest organized “Christian” sect is the Westboro bunch. Assholes to be sure, but they’re not going to kill anybody, even if they think God hates them.


  278. newsjunkie_ky
    278 | November 9, 2009 13:09

    If it attends mosques like a terrorist
    If it yells allahu akbar like a terrorist
    It’s a sheepfucking terrorist.


  279. tfc3rid
    279 | November 9, 2009 13:09

    @ Aladin Sane:

    But the way we are fighting the yardstick is not to win. It is to bring order while minimizing civilian casualties and fighting within the law.

    That’s not a recipe for victory. At least victory as I’d define it like WWII


  280. tfc3rid
    281 | November 9, 2009 13:11

    @ vagabond trader:

    Britain is just another country… It’s not like there is a special relationship there…


  281. savages_girl
    282 | November 9, 2009 13:11

    @ Iron Fist:

    Iron Fist – you need a fist our a gavel pounding on the table for an avatar.

    I gotta go back to work :( see you all later!

    Good discussion.


  282. 283 | November 9, 2009 13:11

    There we go. My answer to the Mohammedan problem. Tsar Bomba Himself, all 50 megatons of fury. We need two: the Mecca and the Medina…


  283. 284 | November 9, 2009 13:11

    RIX wrote:

    @ Bunk X:
    Children of the Koarn…
    Night of the living Fez.

    Nightmare on Imam Street.


  284. vapig
    285 | November 9, 2009 13:12

    Screw diversity! I think it’s obvious these folks are like oil to our water. They don’t mix!

    A lto of your know where I work. People are talking out loud about this and aren’t afraid to call a spade a spade!


  285. Aladin Sane
    286 | November 9, 2009 13:12

    @ tfc3rid:

    Once again agreed. If they keep tinkering with the ROE, we may never win another war.


  286. savages_girl
    287 | November 9, 2009 13:13

    @ savages_girl:

    I swear, I need a “typo” button… meant to say “or” a gavel pounding a table.

    Bye!


  287. 288 | November 9, 2009 13:14

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Well, shit. I’m trying to change my gravitar. Any ideas?

    Pick something to irritate Moe K.


  288. vagabond trader
    289 | November 9, 2009 13:14

    @ snork:

    That is a cult and I’m not so sure they aren’t quite capable of murder.


  289. tfc3rid
    290 | November 9, 2009 13:15

    Aladin Sane wrote:

    @ tfc3rid:
    Once again agreed. If they keep tinkering with the ROE, we may never win another war.

    We shouldn’t look to win, that’s just being arrogant…

    /


  290. vagabond trader
    291 | November 9, 2009 13:16

    @ savages_girl:

    See ya later SG!


  291. Silhouette
    292 | November 9, 2009 13:16

    orangecrush wrote:

    Andy Rooney was on 60 minutes last night saying how bad war was and that Veterans Day should be renamed.

    You know, crime is bad too. Let’s stop having a police force or honoring policemen, and crime will stop.

    Right?


  292. newsjunkie_ky
    293 | November 9, 2009 13:16

    Just heard (on my local talk radio station) a audio clip of nannypelousi complaining about the republicans on the House Floor from 2005. She was yelling about the republicans breaking the rules and trying to bring to a vote a bill that had not been given the 3 day read rule. What a p.o.s. this a$$hole is.


  293. waldensianspirit
    294 | November 9, 2009 13:17

    Charles says:

    If you look at it tactically, the reality is there’s no difference between what Hasan did and what any deranged mass killer does — and that’s why people like him are impossible to stop.

    Wrong. Hasan is a Muslim, a slave of allah.

    If it does turn out that Hasan was actually part of a militant Islamic plot, that would change things drastically.

    He is. It is called islam. No drastic change to anything.

    It would mean the problem is potentially much larger.

    It is kinetic.


  294. 295 | November 9, 2009 13:17

    @ Bunk X:

    Would nukes irritate him? I appreciate all the ideas. I was trying for the nuke. I rated it “R” at Gravatar. Brutal and direct, just like me…


  295. tfc3rid
    296 | November 9, 2009 13:18

    newsjunkie_ky wrote:

    Just heard (on my local talk radio station) a audio clip of nannypelousi complaining about the republicans on the House Floor from 2005. She was yelling about the republicans breaking the rules and trying to bring to a vote a bill that had not been given the 3 day read rule. What a p.o.s. this a$$hole is.

    She’s a traitor.


  296. Buckeye Abroad
    297 | November 9, 2009 13:19

    232. lobo91

    “The 20th anniversary of the day when the wall came tumbling down.” Yup, that’s what happened. It just fell down.

    There has been alot of air time on the radio and some TV programms in Germany celebrating the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Wall. No mention of NATO/US or the Cold War, but mostly Gobrachev, the SED and the protests in E. Germany are the only variables that lead to the “obvious” conclusion.


  297. goddessoftheclassroom
    298 | November 9, 2009 13:20

    Good afternoon, y’all.

    Would someone please explain to me why “diversity” is a more important quality than “unity”?


  298. 299 | November 9, 2009 13:20

    Seems to me what’s important in the military is that they are all on the same page and diversity is for civilian life.


  299. snork
    300 | November 9, 2009 13:21

    @ vagabond trader:

    That magnifies the point. So far, none have them have gone into a ghey bar with an uzi, and gone jihad on them. That’s the essential difference between the most extreme and nutty of the “Christian” cults, and a relatively mainstream Mohammedan. His mosque in VA was just another mosque in the ‘hood, right?


  300. tfc3rid
    301 | November 9, 2009 13:22

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    And of course, the kids around the World look at this revisionist history and eat it up…

    Rather than extol the greatness of America and our leadership against he tyranny of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact, they think it was all an internal strife…


  301. tfc3rid
    302 | November 9, 2009 13:22

    goddessoftheclassroom wrote:

    Good afternoon, y’all.
    Would someone please explain to me why “diversity” is a more important quality than “unity”?

    Duh, because we have a black President…


  302. wolfie
    303 | November 9, 2009 13:23

    @ lobo91:
    “According to everything I’ve read about Hasan, prior to his mother’s death in 2001 he was basically a “secular” Muslim. Played sports in high school, joined the Army, all the usual stuff.
    All it took was one traumatic event to flip the switch and turn him from being “secular” to a “typical fundamentalist,” as the head of the Killeen mosque described him. ”

    When he was in high school and college in the Roanoke Valley (SW Va,) things were apparently fine. Most of the “Muslims” in that area are non-practicing or very moderate. Few of them, BTW, are Arab. They tend (so far) to be highly assimilated.

    When he moved to NoVa/DC and got involved with the Muslim & Arab communities there, he changed. That place is a hotbed of Saudi-funded hatred. (I agree that his mother’s death undoubtedly made him especially vulnerable.)

    We should not allow radical Muslim mosques and imams in this country.


  303. calcajun
    304 | November 9, 2009 13:23

    @ RIX:
    A poll? This is what is called “mental masturbation”– produces nothing but makes some people feel good–those with nothing better to do can watch.


  304. Silhouette
    305 | November 9, 2009 13:24

    @ newsjunkie_ky:

    Like changing the rules of how senators in Mass. are chosen. When a GOP was governor, the Dems changed the law from governor selection to special election. When the gov was Dem, they changed the law back.

    Sometimes it matters less if it’s a good law or a bad law, as long as it is consistant.


  305. waldensianspirit
    306 | November 9, 2009 13:24

    @ goddessoftheclassroom:
    Diversity is greater because [*scratch*, *scratch*,*scratch*, *scratch*] Diversity is [*scratch*, *scratch*] Diversity …nope, can’t do it.


  306. 307 | November 9, 2009 13:25

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Like most mass-killers like this, this fucker could have been stopped by someone with a gun who was willing to use it.

    As a matter of fact, that is exactly what stopped him.

    Pity it wasn’t one of his victims. Texas happens to be a CCW state. I doubt you’ll hear anyone of a national level (and I include Beck) who will point that out.

    You can’t carry on a military base. That worked out well, didn’t it?


  307. snork
    308 | November 9, 2009 13:25

    @ Iron Fist:

    If I had a sock account, I’d use the mushroom cloud with the name “Bigel”. But we don’t play those kinds of games here.


  308. lobo91
    309 | November 9, 2009 13:25

    @ goddessoftheclassroom:

    Would someone please explain to me why “diversity” is a more important quality than “unity”?

    When it comes to the military, “diversity” is an antithetical concept. The military does everything it can to promote unity.

    That’s why the clothes we wear are called a “uniform,” after all…


  309. Nikis Knight
    310 | November 9, 2009 13:27

    The comments by the army general about diversity being our strength and losing it worse than slaughtered soldiers is despicable, and also inane.
    Diversity is not a strength. Air craft carriers, atomic weapons, and Navy Seals, among other weapons, not to mention an economic and technologic edge are our strengths. Diveristy is a value, and one that taken too far results in a rather crippling case of mulitculturalitis.

    It’s like this guy watched too much Captain Planet. Fire is a power; heart is not a power. (Now an army of mind controlled animals would come in handy, but that’s beside the point.)


  310. Mad Mullah
    311 | November 9, 2009 13:28

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Apparently, It is only ok to jump to conclusions and condemn people when they belong to the right.

    John Doe thinks that 0bama is piss poor President? John Doe obviously despises black people and he’s an extremist racist teabagger who most likely has links to the Aryan Nation, the KKK and worst of all, Michelle Malkin! Ban!

    John Doe believes that a Major in the Army who happens to be Islamic committed a terrorist act? That is an absolutely outrageous and offensive thought! That person is obviously an anti-Muslim bigot and a hate-filled extremist! Ban!

    Remember all of the idiots defending that laughable DHS report a while back?

    Maybe it’s time for the idiots running the DHS to be focusing on man-caused disasters again.


  311. 312 | November 9, 2009 13:29

    @ snork:

    I wonder what happened to him? He was never my friend, or anything like that, but I am curious..


  312. lobo91
    313 | November 9, 2009 13:31

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’m certainly aware of it.

    I have a permit here in Colorado, but I spend so much time on various military installations that I rarely actually carry a gun.

    When I go down to Ft Carson to use their personal weapons range, I have to lock my weapons and ammo in my trunk.

    Military installations are, for the most part, huge “gun free zones.”


  313. goddessoftheclassroom
    314 | November 9, 2009 13:31

    Sigh–got to run off again. Take care.


  314. Aladin Sane
    315 | November 9, 2009 13:31

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ snork:
    I wonder what happened to him? He was never my friend, or anything like that, but I am curious..

    Just out of curiousity, how long ago was that that Bigel was posting at LGF? Seems like it’s been a bit.


  315. 316 | November 9, 2009 13:32

    @ Iron Fist:
    I was looking for a .jpg of the “Guided Muscle” from Beanie & Cecil, but I don’t know how it would look as a gravatar.


  316. waldensianspirit
    317 | November 9, 2009 13:33

    @ lobo91:
    There’s the problem all along! You’ve identified it. They should be called diversiforms.


  317. waldensianspirit
    318 | November 9, 2009 13:35

    @ Iron Fist:
    He was at discarded lies for a long time. Been a while. I was banned by Evariste so I don’t talk to bigel anymore.


  318. Silhouette
    319 | November 9, 2009 13:37

    In an ongoing effort to encourage our most important characteristic, diversity, we will no longer wear uniforms, but diversi-forms. Actually, every day is casual day now.

    And marching in step is also cancelled. Just get to point B however you want. Or not at all. Whatever.

    Peace Out,
    The Army


  319. snork
    320 | November 9, 2009 13:38

    @ Iron Fist:

    He got the stick way early (maybe 2004, 2005). Ended up over @ Discarded Lies under the name mishuginamax for a while. I have no idea if he’s still there.


  320. Buckeye Abroad
    321 | November 9, 2009 13:38

    301. tfc3rid

    Rather than extol the greatness of America and our leadership against he tyranny of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact, they think it was all an internal strife…

    Sorry mate, I have been here to long. I see, hear & read what the locals believe– the next generation will have a hard to grasping what was it all about. The 250,000 US troops in W. Germany for 4 decades were “oppressors” and the brilliant leadership from the left saved the day.

    And of course, the kids around the World look at this revisionist history and eat it up…

    Well, like I tell my cousins. If you want to know what happened, ask somebody you know who was there and not what you read in the rags or anything on TV.


  321. newsjunkie_ky
    322 | November 9, 2009 13:39

    @ wolfie:

    Kinda like what happened to cj.


  322. Kitteh
    323 | November 9, 2009 13:48

    Mad Mullah wrote:

    CHARLES – LGF
    I think it’s pretty damned appalling how many people in this thread have pre-judged this incident, and are using it to confirm their very obvious anti-Muslim bigotry.
    You were wrong Charles. And the disgusting PC environment on your blog is the same PC environment that enabled an Islamic terrorist to carry out the Fort Hood terrorist attack.
    It is also telling how liberals cautioned “let’s not jump to any conclusions!”. What they really meant is let’s not jump to the most obvious and common sense conclusion. Any theories that whitewash the terrorist and make excuses for him are of course welcome.

    How did he go from anit-jihad to PC apologist in so short a period of time?


  323. lobo91
    324 | November 9, 2009 13:59

    Ralph Peters was just on Neil Cavuto’s show saying many of the same things I have with regard to the Hasan case. His chain of command–from both Walter Reed and Ft Hood–needs to be called in to testify under oath as to why they let him slide.

    LTC Peters also raised a question that I’ve been wondering about. Between his base pay, his medical specialty pay, and his housing allowance, Hasan made close to $100k a year, yet he was living in a $325 a month dump of an apartment and drove a beat up Honda. Where did all his money go?

    Inquiring minds want to know…


  324. Carolina Girl
    325 | November 9, 2009 14:05

    @ Kitteh:

    I’m sticking to my “new girlfriend” theory.


  325. DEZ
    326 | November 9, 2009 14:07

    13 Sharmuta Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:45:24am replyquote

    * 1
    * down
    * up
    * report

    It’s increasingly difficult to refrain from considering hasan to have been motivated by his religion now that more evidence is coming to light.

    He’s now awake and talking, so we’ll find out soon just how much that motivation was.

    Just how big of a clue bat do some people have to be hit with?
    Or is it selfish pride that keeps fools like this from saying, Boy was I wrong?


  326. Nikis Knight
    327 | November 9, 2009 14:09

    It’s increasingly difficult to refrain from considering hasan to have been motivated by his religion

    It was always difficult, knowing the religion.


  327. lobo91
    328 | November 9, 2009 14:09

    @ DEZ:

    It’s increasingly difficult to refrain from considering hasan to have been motivated by his religion now that more evidence is coming to light.

    Pretty soon, she may even come to the realization that the Germans in WWII were motivated by Nazi ideology…


  328. DEZ
    329 | November 9, 2009 14:14

    @ lobo91:

    She needs more evidence, what a bunch of frikking tools in the swamp!


  329. Silhouette
    330 | November 9, 2009 14:22

    DEZ wrote:

    He’s now awake and talking, so we’ll find out soon just how much that motivation was.

    Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t typically place that much reliance that the words of a mass murderer will finally be the truth we’re looking for.


  330. DEZ
    331 | November 9, 2009 14:26

    @ Silhouette:
    Your 100 percent correct, He is gonna be looking for ways to cover his butt now.


  331. vagabond trader
    332 | November 9, 2009 14:27

    @ lobo91:

    Socking it away for an early retirement?

    Seriously I’ll bet much of it went to various muslim “charities” All donated in cash of course.


  332. vagabond trader
    333 | November 9, 2009 14:29

    Wonder if Dr Jihadi will try to pull the crazy act. He knows enough about it.


  333. lobo91
    334 | November 9, 2009 14:30

    @ Silhouette:

    Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t typically place that much reliance that the words of a mass murderer will finally be the truth we’re looking for.

    Your ordinary garden variety mass murderer, no. I have no interest in anything Charles Manson has to say, for example.

    In Hasan’s case, though, if he really did commit mass murder because he believed that’s what his god wanted him to do, he’ll probably say just that. If he really is a true believer, his current circumstances (being in a hospital full of holes) shouldn’t change that.


  334. vagabond trader
    335 | November 9, 2009 14:31

    He lawyered up. Here comes the 72 raisins defense.


  335. lobo91
    336 | November 9, 2009 14:31

    @ vagabond trader:

    Seriously I’ll bet much of it went to various muslim “charities” All donated in cash of course.

    That would be my guess.


  336. Silhouette
    337 | November 9, 2009 14:47

    Don’t get me wrong, I think Hasan will loudly proclaim it.

    I’m just saying that compared to all the other evidence, his statements now are far down the list compared to his words last week or last month.

    But the reason I think he will admit it, I’m reminded of the Hamas take-over of Gaza, when the world threatened to cut off funding. All Hamas had to do was LIE and say they were thinking about maybe one day recognizing that Israel may possibly exist, and the world would have enough excuse to continue funding them. And twice that I recall, the media or some other helpful soul lied FOR them and reported that Hamas was thinking about it. Except both times, Hamas immediately released statements saying, “NO! We still want to kill all Jews.”


  337. 338 | November 9, 2009 14:53

    @ Kitteh:

    Meth will do that to you…


  338. DEZ
    339 | November 9, 2009 14:55

    @ Silhouette:
    Grease him now!
    The joker.


  339. calcajun
    340 | November 9, 2009 15:13

    Well, we’ll know if his plan was really jihad if the first words out of his mouth when he woke up were, “Virgins? Scubs? Allah makes my virgins wear f**king scrubs. Aw, s**t.”/

    or, alternatively,

    “It was all a dream. Oh, Coleman, I had the most absurd dream. I was muslim in the Army and no one liked me. The girls hated me. And it was because of this awful, horrible negro.” (paraphrasing “Trading Places”) (yes– this is sarcasm)


  340. calcajun
    341 | November 9, 2009 15:14

    @ DEZ:
    He better be. He’s going to prison for a while.


  341. randian
    342 | November 9, 2009 15:56

    And this “Moslems don’t kill Moslems is pure bullshit.”

    Not quite. Muslims don’t kill Muslims on the order of non-Muslims. It’s perfectly OK to kill Muslims for Muslim reasons: apostasy, heresy, etc.

    It should be noted the farce of any Muslim being a member of an infidel army. The Quran forbids Muslims from taking orders from infidels, a command considered so expansive that even a mere employer/employee relationship between infidel and Muslim is forbidden (lest the infidel employer order his Muslim employee to do something). Ergo, regardless of actual combat, no devout Muslim can be a member of an infidel army.


  342. kansas
    343 | November 9, 2009 17:17

    Don’t well all think chickenshit motherfucker about covers this? Yeah, two semi auto big clips and no one shoots back. That about cover it Muslim motherfucker?


  343. kansas
    344 | November 9, 2009 18:06

    They are still scary motherfuckers becuase they don’t hesitate to cut your head off as long as you can’t fight back. Chickenshit motherfuckers.


  344. Frenchie
    345 | November 9, 2009 18:28

    I have ze bet weese some of my liberal leaning skunkettes zat when Hasan speaks, he weel sound like Pelosi and reid.


  345. CloudyDay
    346 | November 9, 2009 19:01

    From a British paper:
    Bloodless President Barack Obama makes Americans wistful for George W Bush

    Barack Obama’s reaction to bad news is to play it so cool that Americans yearn for a bit more drama – and some even for his predecessor, writes Toby Harnden in Washington.


  346. bluliner10
    347 | November 9, 2009 19:24

    @ tfc3rid:
    I don’t know how that General still has a job. I thought he was a risk averse failure in Iraq, and yet he becomes the CoS of the Army? Mind boggling.


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