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Progressive comeback 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall

by Rodan ( 134 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Communism, Democratic Party, Liberal Fascism, Progressives, Tranzis at November 10th, 2009 - 12:30 pm

Twenty years ago the Berlin Wall fell and the Cold War came to an end. Conservatives felt triumphant, their vision of personal liberty and economic freedom had been vindicated. With the Iron Curtain gone, Western corporations moved into Eastern Europe and that region’s economy took off. Even the Leftist Parties in the West abandoned Progressive economics and adopted Market based policies. Bill Clinton and Tony Blair are examples of Leftists who embraced Free Markets in the 90′s. However the situation changed and the Progressives came roaring back. What brought back the Left, you may ask? The answer is very simple: 9/11/01.

Twenty years ago today, supporters of freedom and human rights cheered and wept for joy as the Berlin Wall was torn down by jubilant young Germans.

To so many, that heady day seemed to herald the emergence of a better world. The spectre of communism had finally been laid to rest. Liberty had triumphed over tyranny.

The end of the Cold War even led some to proclaim that this was ‘the end of history’  -  which was to say that liberal democracy was now the dominant and unchallengeable force in the world.

However, the 9/11 attacks on America tragically proved this to be absurdly over-optimistic. The eruption of radical Islamism revealed that, while the West may have been rid of one enemy in the Soviet Union, another deadly foe had risen to take its place. So much is, sadly, all too evident.

Read the rest.

Melanie Phillips points out something very ironic. An Islamo-Imperialist act of aggression mobilized the Progressives to action. After these attacks, they began an email campaign of disinformation by claiming 9/11 was an inside job. They invented stories about the America’s intentions in invading Iraq. They set up powerful networks in the US and Europe and through the media began their demonizing campaign against Bush.

The Alinsky style personal destruction campaign against Bush was very effective and in 2006, they seized Congress. Then in 2008 they had elected the most Radical Totalitarian Progressive President the US ever had, Barack Hussein Obama. He proceeded to sell out our allies and support nations like Venezuela and Iran. Obama apologized to the Imperialist Muslim World in his June 2009 address in Cairo. The Progressives have enabled a de-facto Islamo-Imperialist victory.

Here is a video to remember what it was like to have a real President. Not the last 4 clowns we have had in Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and now Obama.

What happened to this country?

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134 Responses to “Progressive comeback 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall”
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  1. Nevergiveup
    1 | November 10, 2009 11:03

    The Memorial Service is on live on FOX


  2. danrudy
    2 | November 10, 2009 11:09

    I am curious as to how this Memorial service will be about Obama…


  3. Nevergiveup
    3 | November 10, 2009 11:12

    Maybe Obama will not live down to all my expectations of him?


  4. vagabond trader
    4 | November 10, 2009 11:13

    There is now a hybrid of commies and Islamists,almost like an unholy replacement ideology designed to exchange freedom for dhimmi statism. Weird times, unintended consequences.


  5. LGoPs
    5 | November 10, 2009 11:14

    I write some of the most sage comments the blogosphere has ever seen and you guys go to a new thread.
    Sheesh.
    *shaking head*

    *just kidding*
    :)


  6. 6 | November 10, 2009 11:18

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Has he added an Official Government Mosque to the White House? If not, he hasn’t lived down to all my expectations…


  7. 7 | November 10, 2009 11:19

    @ vagabond trader:

    Evil mixing with evil. One can expect nothing but evil to come of it.


  8. 8 | November 10, 2009 11:20

    danrudy wrote:

    I am curious as to how this Memorial service will be about Obama…

    I can’t watch, but maybe you could count the number of times he says “I” for me?


  9. 9 | November 10, 2009 11:21

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    The Memorial Service is on live on FOX

    I responded about FB on the last thread.

    Send an email to m and tell her I said it was cool for her to give you my email address and we can go from there.

    If you want to be my FB friend, that is….


  10. Scott Madsen
    10 | November 10, 2009 11:21

    The Wall came down, the dichtomy of the cold war dissolved, and a more difuse and subtle grey war began.

    Around 1991, I said as much to some East Euro students who where efusive and optomistic over the new order.


  11. LGoPs
    11 | November 10, 2009 11:23

    The Alinsky style personal destruction campaign against Bush was very effective and in 2006, they seized Congress.

    Remember when Hillary coined the term ‘politics of personal destruction’ back in the ’90′s? She was an Alinsky disciple and that statement is one of the most persuasive and illustrative examples of the liberal projection that I can think of.
    Listen to liberals. the hateful accustaions they hurl at us provide a roadmap to precisely where they want to go.
    Remember the screeching about Bush’s wiretaps? Bush never worried me because I rarely if ever talked with terrorists in caves – more likely they’d catch me talking to my mother. But now, with leftists in charge I am afraid. And cautious. It ain’t paranioa. It’s being sentient and observing leftists and listening to what they’re saying.
    Every one of them is a bastard. Either a hapless, stupid bastard being played for the useful idiot or an evil, willful bastard intent on destroying the greatest, most benevolent superpower in history.


  12. 12 | November 10, 2009 11:23

    @ loppyd:

    I want to know how he’s going to dance around the fact that these murders were Mohammedan Terrorism, pure and simple. Maybe the fucker yelling “Allahu Ackbar!” was an episcopalian. Damn, but Obama is scum of the earth…


  13. 13 | November 10, 2009 11:26

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ loppyd:
    I want to know how he’s going to dance around the fact that these murders were Mohammedan Terrorism, pure and simple. Maybe the fucker yelling “Allahu Ackbar!” was an episcopalian. Damn, but Obama is scum of the earth…

    Lets not jump to conclusions, now.

    How infuriating is that? People twisting themselves into pretzels not to say what most Americans know to be the truth.


  14. Nevergiveup
    14 | November 10, 2009 11:26

    @ loppyd:
    Sure thing


  15. lobo91
    15 | November 10, 2009 11:26

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’m guessing it will involve a lot of “passive voice.”

    As in, “the victims died,” as opposed to “Hasan murdered them.”


  16. 16 | November 10, 2009 11:28

    I somehow doubt that this is what Ron Paul envisioned when he wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve:

    WASHINGTON (AP) – Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd on Tuesday called for sweeping new government powers to prevent another economic collapse, protect consumers and dismantle failing institutions.
    Dodd’s 1,100 page-draft would strip the Federal Reserve and other regulators of their powers to regulate banks and hand that job to a single agency. The bill also would take away the Fed’s ability to monitor credit cards and mortgages and establish a new “Consumer Financial Protection Agency.”

    The bill, inspired by last year’s financial meltdown, will minimize “economic turmoil and protect(ing) the interest of taxpayers,” the Connecticut Democrat wrote.

    An advance copy of the legislation was obtained by The Associated Press.

    President Barack Obama has demanded that Congress rewrite the federal regulations governing Wall Street to close legal loopholes and prevent the kind of fraud and abuse that fed the crisis.

    Dodd’s proposal was expected to gain broad support among Democrats, but Republicans haven’t signed on.

    Can you say “Naked Power Grab”? Yeah, Obama and the Democrats haven’t come for guns yet. They want to scarf up everything else first.


  17. Aladin Sane
    17 | November 10, 2009 12:34

    @ Iron Fist:

    Somehow reminds me of the “with the compassion of the IRS and the efficiency of the Post Office” line…


  18. 18 | November 10, 2009 12:34

    As usual, Melanie Phillips nails it.


  19. mfhorn
    19 | November 10, 2009 12:37

    @ Iron Fist:

    Socialism? Economic Fascism?


  20. Nevergiveup
    20 | November 10, 2009 12:38

    A former NASA astronaut charged with attacking a romantic rival pleaded guilty Tuesday to burglary and battery but was sentenced only to a year probation and no additional jail time.

    Lisa Nowak, 46, agreed to the plea to avoid a trial slated for next month and in the hopes of landing a lighter sentence — which she got.

    Sad Story. And she still faces Military Justice.


  21. MikeA
    21 | November 10, 2009 12:46

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Hell hath no fury like an astronaut scorned…

    Wonder how they missed her in the psych screen for being an astronaut.


  22. vagabond trader
    22 | November 10, 2009 12:47

    @ MikeA:

    More PC BS. Those are not military acronyms.

    :-)


  23. snork
    23 | November 10, 2009 12:49

    How do you mark the Berlin Wall coming down without including Reagan?

    Well, NBC News shows us how, and, as a bonus, manages to include Hillary Clinton in the report, twice. I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, that the four-minute, 12-second report doesn’t include at least one of the Kennedys.


  24. lobo91
    24 | November 10, 2009 12:51

    Wow…the Dems just get dumber and dumber.

    Bill Clinton met with Senate Dems today and told them that they have to pass something on health care, or they’ll end up like they did in 1994.

    He actually thinks the reason they lost Congress in 1994 was because they didn’t pass Hillarycare.

    Wow.


  25. MikeA
    25 | November 10, 2009 12:52

    @ snork:

    Thats cause the wall came down 20 years ago due to “The One” becoming president 20 years later…


  26. vagabond trader
    26 | November 10, 2009 12:52

    @ LGoPs:

    Good post and I soooo concur.

    :-)


  27. mfhorn
    27 | November 10, 2009 12:55

    @ MikeA:

    The same way they missed the ‘issues’ with Major Baconboy at Ft. Hood.


  28. lobo91
    28 | November 10, 2009 12:58

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I noticed that it says she’s still on active duty in Corpus Christi.

    I wonder what they have her doing? Nothing that involves anything important or sensitive, I hope…


  29. Silhouette
    29 | November 10, 2009 12:58

    I’ll repeat my comment from yesterday. I think that speaking about the Berlin Wall without mentioning Reagan, Thatcher, Russia, or the Soviets is so nearly impossible, that I was impressed in a perverted sort of way with Obama.

    It’s like the game Taboo where, e.g., you have to talk about subways but you can’t use the words: city, underground, train, rail, or sandwich.

    And Merkel thanking Gorb is like thanking Cornwallis for surrendering at Yorktown and making the US possible, but not mentioning some dude called Washington.


  30. vagabond trader
    30 | November 10, 2009 12:59

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/president-obama-the-interview.html

    This morning Pres Dr. Wee thought killer maybe motivated by stress.At memorial, religious misinterpretation. You lie!


  31. LGoPs
    31 | November 10, 2009 12:59

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I noticed that it says she’s still on active duty in Corpus Christi.
    I wonder what they have her doing? Nothing that involves anything important or sensitive, I hope…

    They should put her in charge of the In-Flight Missile Repair Program……../


  32. Nevergiveup
    32 | November 10, 2009 12:59

    Just stole this from someone over at Ace’s comments:

    A U.S. Marine squad was marching north of Fallujah when they came upon an Iraqi insurgent, badly injured and unconscious. On the opposite side of the road was an American Marine in a similar but less serious state. The Marine was conscious and alert and as first aid was given to both men, the squad leader asked the injured Marine what had happened.

    The Marine reported, “I was heavily armed and moving north along the highway here, and coming south was a heavily armed insurgent. We saw each other and both took cover in the ditches along the road. I yelled to him that Saddam Hussein was a miserable, lowlife scumbag who got what he deserved, and he yelled back that Ted Kennedy is a fat, good-for-nothing, left wing liberal drunk who doesn’t know how to drive, and that Obama is an idiot. So I said that Osama Bin Laden dresses and acts like a frigid, mean-spirited lesbian. He retaliated by yelling, “Oh yeah? Well, so does Nancy Pelosi!”

    “And, there we were, in the middle of the road, shaking hands, when a truck hit us.”


  33. 33 | November 10, 2009 13:00

    @ vagabond trader:

    Weird times, unintended consequences.

    actually, i think they fully intend the consequences of less and ess freedom, more and more governmental control.

    did everyone else hear that on thursday, every dhimmicrat in congress (the house only maybe?) voted to remove the socalled lone wolf provision from the patriot act (which allowed them access to communications from an individual who is not yet known to be involved with al qaeda)? the same day that a lone wolf, who was later found to be in contact with that radical imam who also preached to 2 of the 911 hijackers, murdered 13 and shot more than 30? i know you’re all so well-informed so maybe this is old news.


  34. LGoPs
    34 | November 10, 2009 13:00

    Silhouette wrote:

    ……And Merkel thanking Gorb is like thanking Cornwallis for surrendering at Yorktown and making the US possible, but not mentioning some dude called Washington.

    Heh. Well said.


  35. vagabond trader
    35 | November 10, 2009 13:00

    @ lobo91:

    Those pics are not flattering. GF looks like someone who would wear a diaper and drive 800 miles without taking a rest stop. Oh wait.


  36. mfhorn
    36 | November 10, 2009 13:01

    @ snork:

    @ MikeA:

    Reagan didn’t have anything to do with the Berlin Wall falling.
    Radical Muslims weren’t behind 9/11.
    The Bush family was behind the Crusades.


  37. vagabond trader
    37 | November 10, 2009 13:02

    @ Kirly:

    *sigh* I was referring to the unintended consequences of the wall coming down.


  38. LGoPs
    38 | November 10, 2009 13:02

    @ Nevergiveup:

    LOL. :)


  39. MikeA
    39 | November 10, 2009 13:03

    @ mfhorn:

    Thanks… Now I understand history…

    //


  40. mfhorn
    40 | November 10, 2009 13:05

    @ MikeA:

    :) Just doin’ my part.


  41. Silhouette
    41 | November 10, 2009 13:05

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    *sigh* I was referring to the unintended consequences of the wall coming down.

    A defeat against the enemy always ends up making him look less threatening.

    Kinda like post 9/11 policies preventing any major terrorist attack in the US for 8 years making it look like those policies weren’t really needed.


  42. chickadee
    42 | November 10, 2009 13:06

    Silhouette wrote:

    I’ll repeat my comment from yesterday. I think that speaking about the Berlin Wall without mentioning Reagan, Thatcher, Russia, or the Soviets is so nearly impossible, that I was impressed in a perverted sort of way with Obama.

    It’s like the game Taboo where, e.g., you have to talk about subways but you can’t use the words: city, underground, train, rail, or sandwich.

    And Merkel thanking Gorb is like thanking Cornwallis for surrendering at Yorktown and making the US possible, but not mentioning some dude called Washington.

    It really is surreal. All the major players left out except for Gorby who is now cheered as a hero.
    What a strange twisting of historic facts right in broad day light. With no concern for how foolish they look. Leaving out Reagan’s poignant line, “Tear down this wall,” is so Orwellian.


  43. 43 | November 10, 2009 13:09

    @ vagabond trader:

    *sigh* I was referring to the unintended consequences of the wall coming down.

    oops. :oops:


  44. vagabond trader
    44 | November 10, 2009 13:11

    @ chickadee:

    Did they even mention the Pope? Probably not. Well at least Gorby got the Nobel. //


  45. snork
    45 | November 10, 2009 13:12

    @ chickadee:

    The Gorb is being rehabilitated. When Carter kicks the bucket, they need somebody to play that role. The left is done being mad at him, and now, he’s useful.


  46. vagabond trader
    46 | November 10, 2009 13:12

    @ Kirly:

    No prob,from 89 it all goes down the same line to commies and the muzz so we’re both correct.

    :-)


  47. Nevergiveup
    47 | November 10, 2009 13:14

    Derek Jeter has won his fourth Gold Glove at shortstop, joining New York Yankees first baseman Mark Teixeira among the American League players honored for fielding excellence.

    MVP MVP MVP MVP


  48. 48 | November 10, 2009 13:16

    @ vagabond trader:
    yeah, we’re in agreement. i just didn’t know it when i read your comment and then posted my response. :-)

    i probably shouldn’t comment when i’m sick. i hope it’s not the swine flu. so far just feels like a really bad cold/sinus infection. but i think it’s affecting my cognitive abiities as well.


  49. Canoe Convoy
    49 | November 10, 2009 13:19

    @ MikeA:
    Heh. Part of me wants to have a small degree of sympathy for her, but mostly I feel that she should have her “Welcome to Equality” moment. By that, I mean if she should suffer the same punishment, to the same degree and severity, as a man would suffer if he was convicted of actions like what she did.


  50. vagabond trader
    50 | November 10, 2009 13:20

    @ Kirly:

    Sinus infections are the worst.Take care.

    :-)


  51. 51 | November 10, 2009 13:21

    check out what Crusader Rabbit Blog (not our own poster, these guys are down under) found. CNN – the C is for cover up. Soldier who was shot by hasan and said he heard hasan say allahu ackbar on CNN… story removed.


  52. 52 | November 10, 2009 13:23

    @ vagabond trader:
    Thanks! been fighting this one for at least three weeks. think it’s gone and it comes roaring back. ugh.


  53. 53 | November 10, 2009 13:24

    @ lobo91:

    Clinton was never particularly astute. He was lucky as hell was all. He got lucky with Perot. His first two years were a disaster. The only way he won a second term was the Republicans decided not to run in 1996. He avoided conviction in the Senate only because the Democrats are thoroughly corrupt (and yes, that includes Joe Lieberman). Ironically, had the Dems done the right thing there, Al Gore would have almost certainly been President on 9-11.


  54. taxfreekiller
    54 | November 10, 2009 13:25

    Off to meet another nam vet and get over to Dallas to the
    http://www.blowoutcongress.com
    deal.

    Starts at 7:00 Texas time, you will be able to ask questions via on-line at the site.

    We the People, have to make a stand, if we the people wait for some one else to do it, ,,,,.


  55. snork
    55 | November 10, 2009 13:25

    @ Kirly:

    Take care of yourself.


  56. 56 | November 10, 2009 13:27

    @ taxfreekiller:
    I hope you take a cameras! video and still!


  57. 57 | November 10, 2009 13:28

    @ snork:
    thanks snork! oooh, like that avatar!


  58. mfhorn
    58 | November 10, 2009 13:29

    @ Iron Fist:

    Now THAT’S a scary thought. AlGore would have dinked around for a year or so, waiting for UN approval and for confirmation that any action wouldn’t have caused Global Warming.


  59. 59 | November 10, 2009 13:30

    alright, i’m going to the pharmacy for some over the counter stuff. this is just getting worse.


  60. 60 | November 10, 2009 13:31

    @53 Iron Fist:
    It wasn’t just the Dems in the Senate who were corrupt; the Republicans in the Senate weren’t pushing very hard for Impeachment either. It was only the Republicans in the House who did their jobs.


  61. 61 | November 10, 2009 13:34

    Gorby didn’t bring down the Wall. He was too busy killing Stalinist zombies.


  62. song_and_dance_man
    62 | November 10, 2009 13:40

    @ lobo91:

    Let them think that. It’s a plus for us.


  63. 63 | November 10, 2009 13:40

    59: Kirly wrote:

    alright, i’m going to the pharmacy for some over the counter stuff. this is just getting worse.

    Get the stuff from behind the counter with pseudephedrine.


  64. 64 | November 10, 2009 13:40

    @ RoboMonkey:

    They should not have went after Clinton over Lewinsky. They should of went after him for giving China Military Technologies.


  65. CloudyDay
    65 | November 10, 2009 13:40

    OT / Dunn vs. Fox News: Dunn loses

    Fox News on Tuesday won a mini-round of its continuing war with the Obama administration.

    Stepping down earlier than she once intended, Anita Dunn is out as White House communications director after seven months on the job.


  66. LGoPs
    66 | November 10, 2009 13:41

    RoboMonkey wrote:

    @53 Iron Fist:
    It wasn’t just the Dems in the Senate who were corrupt; the Republicans in the Senate weren’t pushing very hard for Impeachment either. It was only the Republicans in the House who did their jobs.

    My turning point on the Democrats was when the Senate Democrats, en masse, refused to even look at the evidence against Clinton. That was the day I closed my mind to that party and vowed I would never, ever vote for a Democrat again. They told me, loud and clear, that Party comes first, Country somewhere further down the list.
    Say what you will about Nixon, but it was Republicans in the Senate who convinced him to leave. Country came before Party. Not so the Democrats. Ever.


  67. LGoPs
    67 | November 10, 2009 13:44

    CloudyDay wrote:

    OT / Dunn vs. Fox News: Dunn loses

    Fox News on Tuesday won a mini-round of its continuing war with the Obama administration.
    Stepping down earlier than she once intended, Anita Dunn is out as White House communications director after seven months on the job.

    Maybe the bitch can go to Kenya and do the Mao Mao. Or is that the Mau Mau?
    Doesn’t matter. I’d just like her to leave the continent.


  68. RIX
    68 | November 10, 2009 13:45

    I really wonder if the American Left believe their own talking points. Can they really believe that the Iraq War is for oil?
    Do they believe that the stimulus is working & Obama has saved jobs?
    Do they believe that Bush is really a Nazi?
    Do the believe that ACORN does good works?
    It goes on & on.


  69. chickadee
    69 | November 10, 2009 13:49

    CloudyDay wrote:

    OT / Dunn vs. Fox News: Dunn loses
    Fox News on Tuesday won a mini-round of its continuing war with the Obama administration.
    Stepping down earlier than she once intended, Anita Dunn is out as White House communications director after seven months on the job.

    Excellent news. This tells me that once the truth comes out abt. these commies there is still enough disapproval of their ideology in this country that they have to run for the tall grass.


  70. RIX
    70 | November 10, 2009 13:50

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RoboMonkey:
    They should not have went after Clinton over Lewinsky. They should of went after him for giving China Military Technologies.

    Yup,that was the Loral company , a big Dem contributor.
    The Clinton Administration gave them waivers & thy sold of all things
    missle guidnace technology.


  71. 4_Sticks
    71 | November 10, 2009 13:51

    @ vagabond trader:

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr……


  72. RIX
    72 | November 10, 2009 13:52

    Boarding. See ya later.


  73. vagabond trader
    73 | November 10, 2009 13:52

    @ 4_Sticks:

    lol, should have used the / tag. Sorry!


  74. 74 | November 10, 2009 13:53

    68: RIX wrote:

    Do they believe that ACORN does good works?

    It keeps them in office. That’s all the good they need.


  75. buzzsawmonkey
    75 | November 10, 2009 13:53

    RIX wrote:

    Boarding. See ya later.

    Take no quarter, and let the scuppers run red!


  76. Aladin Sane
    76 | November 10, 2009 13:55

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Buzz,
    Were you the one that use to do the Photoshopping of stuff at LGF back in the old days? If you’re the one, I think you referred to it as Photochopping.


  77. 77 | November 10, 2009 13:57

    @76: Aladin Sane: Anything buzz did may have been fake, but it was still accurate.


  78. Nevergiveup
    78 | November 10, 2009 13:58

    Over at the hippie swamp they are ragging on:

    This incredibly stupid article is a grievous insult to the thousands of Muslims who serve with great valor in the US military, side by side with their comrades of different faiths. And it’s a profoundly un-American point of view to promote.

    Shame on the American Family Association, who make a great show of standing for decency and family values, then turn around and advocate irrational bigotry and collective punishment.

    I don’t know what the American Family Association is but I can guess it’s religious based?


  79. Aladin Sane
    79 | November 10, 2009 13:58

    @ RoboMonkey:

    I’m sure that’s true. It appears he’s quite the lyricist (sp?) here.


  80. 4_Sticks
    80 | November 10, 2009 13:59

    @ vagabond trader:

    Or stop to pee…


  81. Aladin Sane
    81 | November 10, 2009 13:59

    @ Nevergiveup:

    And the “Hippie Swamp” would be AtS?


  82. buzzsawmonkey
    82 | November 10, 2009 14:00

    @ Aladin Sane:

    I know nothing whatever of Photoshop. I merely carpet the Internet with verbosity.


  83. 83 | November 10, 2009 14:01

    78: Nevergiveup wrote:

    This incredibly stupid article is a grievous insult to the thousands of Muslims who

    Blah blah blah blah.

    It would be nice if CNN and the other hippies were more concerned with the actual victims of the shooter, and not the hypothetical victims of the massive anti-Muslim backlash that fails to ever materialize.

    It would be nice if they would place the blame squarely on the asshole who pulled the trigger, rather than trying to find excuses like PTSD.

    I would also be nice if I won the lottery. But I’m not holding my breath.


  84. Aladin Sane
    84 | November 10, 2009 14:02

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Sorry, I had you mixed up with someone else.

    I’m still trying to get the braincells that I used at LGF working again. I recognize a lot of the NICs here, but I’m still trying to associate the personalities with them.

    I do like your lyrics though!


  85. Silhouette
    85 | November 10, 2009 14:03

    @ RIX:

    I think that many of them do. So many are what I called ‘the deceived.’ I know so many good people who support the left because they hate racism, sexism, greed, war, poverty, sickness, etc. and they’ve been sold the line that the Dems and the Dems alone are fighting them. I hate all those things too but see that the cure is freedom.

    Like those that support the UN because they support the IDEA that nations should get together and talk instead of go to war. Well, no kidding. EVERYONE would like that, but the stated goal of the UN has nothing to do with what it is or what it does.


  86. Nevergiveup
    86 | November 10, 2009 14:03

    @ RoboMonkey:
    I didn’t write that, the hippie did


  87. 4_Sticks
    87 | November 10, 2009 14:05

    @ Silhouette:

    Kinda like post 9/11 policies preventing any major terrorist attack in the US for 8 years

    “Ya, but you know damn well they could have hit us anytime they wanted…”

    “Reagan didn’t cause the Wall to come down.It was going to happen anyway … Gorby was ‘The One’.”

    Do I really need to ?? Yes ? Oh, ok…

    ///


  88. 88 | November 10, 2009 14:06

    86: Nevergiveup wrote:

    I didn’t write that, the hippie did

    I know that, you know that, and I assume everyone else here is smart enough to know that; but you posted it, so your name came with it when I quoted it. No offense.


  89. newsjunkie_ky
    89 | November 10, 2009 14:07

    Just got this in an email:
    Dear Sirs:

    “During my last night’s shift in the ER, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient with a shiny new gold tooth, multiple elaborate tattoos, a very expensive brand of tennis shoes and a new cellular telephone equipped with her favorite R&B tune for a ringtone. Glancing over the chart, one could not help noticing her payer status: Medicaid. She smokes more than one costly pack of cigarettes every day and, somehow, still has money to buy beer.

    And our Congress expects me to pay for this woman’s health care? Our nation’s health care crisis is not a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. It is a crisis of culture— a culture in which it is perfectly acceptable to spend money on vices while refusing to take care of one’s self or, heaven forbid, purchase health insurance. A culture that thinks “I can do whatever I want to because someone else will always take care of me”. Life is really not that hard. Most of us reap what we sow.

    Don’t you agree?

    STARNER JONES, MD
    Jackson , MS


  90. 4_Sticks
    90 | November 10, 2009 14:07

    @ chickadee:

    Or ‘Stalinish…’


  91. GrandJunctionite
    91 | November 10, 2009 14:07

    @ Nevergiveup:

    The AFA posted two Point/Counter point blog posts about whether Muslims should be allowed to serve in the military. Of course SelrahC only posted the anti muslim in the military article without linking to the pro viewpoint from the exact same site.

    It’s just more eeeevil christianity stuff over there when our dead are not even in the ground yet.


  92. lobo91
    92 | November 10, 2009 14:08

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    I can’t understand anyone being that stupid, though. It doesn’t even make logical sense, politics aside.

    Their premise is based on the idea that the people wanted government-run healthcare back in 1994. I don’t believe that, but let’s pretend it was true, for the sake of argument.

    Since the Dems weren’t able to pass this government healthcare plan prior to the 1994 election, if the people actually wanted it, wouldn’t the logical solution have been to elect more Dems, rather than less?

    I’m starting to think that Bill is actively trying to sabotage Obama, so that Hillary can run against him in 2012.

    It makes more sense than anything else I can think of.


  93. Silhouette
    93 | November 10, 2009 14:10

    RIX wrote:

    Boarding. See ya later.

    I read that at first as “Boring! See ya later.” Was going to meekly say we’d try to be more entertaining in the future.


  94. 94 | November 10, 2009 14:11

    92: lobo91 wrote:

    I’m starting to think that Bill is actively trying to sabotage Obama, so that Hillary can run against him in 2012.

    Or just to keep Obama from overshadowing Bill’s own “legacy”.

    Sorry, can’t type that without the sarcasm quotes.


  95. 95 | November 10, 2009 14:11

    Silhouette wrote:

    Was going to meekly say we’d try to be more entertaining in the future.

    In bed.


  96. snork
    96 | November 10, 2009 14:12

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Where does he find these obscure groups? I think he must troll (in the fishing sense) the leftosphere, and they, in turn, monitor the most obscure websites out there, looking for something to bellyache about.

    One more example of why that site has become so BORING. Nobody cares about the “American Family Association”; nobody’s ever heard of them.


  97. Silhouette
    97 | November 10, 2009 14:12

    RoboMonkey wrote:

    In bed.

    That’s what she said.


  98. 98 | November 10, 2009 14:14

    Just goes to show that Chaz is against American families (to use his own twisted logic).


  99. Nevergiveup
    99 | November 10, 2009 14:15

    @ GrandJunctionite:
    Figures


  100. Silhouette
    100 | November 10, 2009 14:15

    It’s been so long since I’ve talked to most of you, I’d forgotten the 5 o’clock eastern Slow Down.


  101. 4_Sticks
    101 | November 10, 2009 14:17

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’ve always thought his luck was with the economy.
    Without the rapid developments in tech. – PC/chips,Windows (GUI)/internet etc.
    G_d knows where we would’ve been. Of course the tech boom turned into the bubble bursting just as he got out of town. One lucky sob. Silver tongued devil.Perverted adulterer,lying f*ckin’….ooops…

    /grumpy old man


  102. chickadee
    102 | November 10, 2009 14:18

    @ newsjunkie_ky:

    “Crisis of culture,” indeed. This is a Zero voter. His agenda cultivates people like this.
    A culture of demanding, expectant, unproductive, uneducated losers.


  103. snork
    103 | November 10, 2009 14:19

    Oh, frik:

    22 LudwigVanQuixote Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:10:31pm r

    If you live in a world of fear – and let’s face it, the essence of being a socon is fear, then what would you expect?

    This from mister “the oceans are going to rise 200 feet”?


  104. 4_Sticks
    104 | November 10, 2009 14:20

    @ Kirly:

    I was just going to ask if you had tried one of the newer
    ‘super antibiotics’. The only thing that works for me is
    ‘Cipro’.


  105. 105 | November 10, 2009 14:21

    103 snork wrote:

    This from mister “the oceans are going to rise 200 feet”?

    (a) More projection(b) “It’s not BS fearmongering when we do it.”


  106. lobo91
    106 | November 10, 2009 14:22

    @ snork:

    Where does he find these obscure groups? I think he must troll (in the fishing sense) the leftosphere, and they, in turn, monitor the most obscure websites out there, looking for something to bellyache about.

    That’s exactly how it works. Groups like Media Matters, People for the American Way, etc. have people who spend all day scouring the internet and the airwaves for things they deem offensive, and then they make a big deal about them.

    Of course, if they didn’t do that, 99% of people would never have heard of the people they’re complaining about, but they’re too dumb to realize that.


  107. NoThreat2U
    107 | November 10, 2009 14:24

    Admins? I just sent you guys and email to share my information with Loppyd so we can be friends on facebook. I would appreciate it if someone would pass it on to her. Thanx :)


  108. 4_Sticks
    108 | November 10, 2009 14:25

    @ 4_Sticks:

    …on sinus infections that is. I caught a cold, maybe a mild case of the flu several weeks ago here in the NE.
    The sinus stuff just doesn’t seem to want to quit. Maybe time myself… thy can be a real b*tch if left untreated.
    Crafty little bugs…always trying to outsmart the newest, biggest, badest antibiotics.


  109. Nevergiveup
    109 | November 10, 2009 14:25

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Give her mine also


  110. snork
    110 | November 10, 2009 14:25

    @ 4_Sticks:

    But he also had the common sense not to rattle something that was generally working. There’s a huge difference between Clinton and Obama; Clinton operated his campaign and office under the banned of “it’s the economy, stupid”. He really didn’t dick with the economy. Obama, OTOH is just plain too stupid to get that concept. He’s so dumb and narcissistic, he really believes that the reason that socialism hasn’t worked elsewhere is that it wasn’t him doing it. He thinks, all he has to do is apply textbook Marxism to the economy, and everything will be dandy.

    Then when the economy continues to flush down the crapper, he does the Potempkin thing, and just pretends that everything’s dandy. Worked for Uncle Joe.


  111. lobo91
    111 | November 10, 2009 14:27

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I just went to the AFA website to see what they were complaining about.

    Guess what?

    When you go to that page, the article it takes you too is the one that supports allowing Muslims to serve in the military.

    You have to click on a link that says, “For an opposing viewpoint on this issue, click here” in order to see the “offensive” piece.


  112. wolfie
    112 | November 10, 2009 14:28

    GrandJunctionite wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    The AFA posted two Point/Counter point blog posts about whether Muslims should be allowed to serve in the military. Of course SelrahC only posted the anti muslim in the military article without linking to the pro viewpoint from the exact same site.

    That is beyond slipshod and careless. That is deliberately dishonest.


  113. NoThreat2U
    113 | November 10, 2009 14:28

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Will do!


  114. 114 | November 10, 2009 14:31

    112 wolfie wrote:

    That is beyond slipshod and careless. That is deliberately dishonest.

    And yet, not even remotely surprising.


  115. 4_Sticks
    115 | November 10, 2009 14:31

    @ RIX:

    they just wanted to play space race with the rest of the big boyz don’t ya know ? No harm in that… Just like Iran needs nuke tech for energy.


  116. 116 | November 10, 2009 14:35

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Sent and you are CC’d


  117. lobo91
    117 | November 10, 2009 14:35

    I just read the article they’re all upset about, and I don’t see anything in it that’s not factual. If they can’t handle the truth, that’s their problem:

    Of course, most U.S. Muslims don’t shoot up their fellow soldiers. Fine. As soon as Muslims give us a foolproof way to identify their jihadis from their moderates, we’ll go back to allowing them to serve. You tell us who the ones are that we have to worry about, prove you’re right, and Muslims can once again serve. Until that day comes, we simply cannot afford the risk. You invent a jihadi-detector that works every time it’s used, and we’ll welcome you back with open arms.

    This is not Islamophobia, it is Islamo-realism.

    And don’t give us reassurances about the oaths that Muslim soldiers take to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Hasan took that oath, and it proved meaningless. In fact, the more devout a Muslim is, the more likely he is to lie to you through his teeth, since lying to the infidel to advance the cause of Islam is commended, not just permitted, in the Koran.


  118. BBEV
    118 | November 10, 2009 14:37

    With the fall of the USSR it allow the spread of the puss from the wound that we dealt them.


  119. wolfie
    119 | November 10, 2009 14:37

    @ RoboMonkey:

    No. Unfortunately it isn’t surprising.
    Outrage and sanctimony are the whole point, the payoff.
    Fairness, or even reality, are optional.


  120. Overlook
    120 | November 10, 2009 14:39

    @ snork:

    Another gem from the resident scientist over there.
    And thanks for mining it.


  121. 121 | November 10, 2009 14:39

    @ snork:

    Plus he has a compliant Media as a Propaganda Organ.


  122. lobo91
    122 | November 10, 2009 14:41

    Here’s an ironic comment from the swamp:

    255 Rightwingconspirator
    Tue, Nov 10, 2009 2:27:17pm replyquote 2downupreport

    I’m late to the thread, so I may not be first to mention- The Nisei troops of WW2, who were Japanese and often had relatives in Manzanar. They served with distinction.

    This writer is utterly tone deaf to history. Negligent ignorance.

    Wiki excerpt
    The unit became the most highly decorated military unit in the history of the United States Armed Forces, including 21 Medal of Honor recipients, earning the nickname “The Purple Heart Battalion”.

    What this genius fails to mention is that the Nisei troops only fought in Europe. The military deliberately didn’t deploy them to the Pacific theater, where they would have been fighting against their relatives.


  123. song_and_dance_man
    123 | November 10, 2009 14:41

    @ Aladin Sane:

    Hey Aladin Sane. Haven’t seen you here before. Welcome.


  124. wolfie
    124 | November 10, 2009 14:43

    @ lobo91:

    Which was undoubtedly accepted by all parties as a good idea.


  125. bellamags
    125 | November 10, 2009 14:45

    Good evening everyone.


  126. lobo91
    126 | November 10, 2009 14:47

    @ wolfie:

    Of course it was.

    Unfortunately, there’s no way to do something similar today, since we’re fighting an enemy who refuses to follow the conventional laws of warfare (and actually uses them against us).


  127. song_and_dance_man
    127 | November 10, 2009 14:48

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, it is strange indeed he would use that argument. If they push the bill through the Senate and Committee and it ends up on B. Hussein’s desk 2010 will be ours and in 2012 we will be rid of B. Hussein. If enough (D)’s come to their senses and the bill fails, then there is a chance they will retain power. Maybe he sees either way they go they will lose power and because of that is going for broke. There is something else going on behind his dichotomous urging. I wonder what they really know about the status of them holding on power.


  128. Lily
    128 | November 10, 2009 14:48

    @ 4_Sticks:

    Actually you may have a sinus infection if it has lasted this long.
    I have had a huge amount of these throughout my life…the antiboditic
    Augmentin and something with hydrocodone in it to thin the mucus works best. Plus it helps with the pain of the headaches from the sinus pressure. Should clear it up…but this also involves going to the doc.


  129. 4_Sticks
    130 | November 10, 2009 15:11

    @ Lily:

    Thank U. Been that route though. ‘Cipro’ was the one that finally kicked it out. I avoid the docs and antibiotics at all costs. Don’t even have a ‘primary’ – which i know is dumb, particularly since I have free health insurance (until…?).The last bout the doc told me that the strains keep mutating and sinus infections are a really big worry in the medical community. I guess they’ve felt lucky to keep one step ahead in antibiotic development. There are a few newer then Cipro – tried them, wound up calling back the health center and asking ‘now can we please try the one I asked for the 1st visit ?”. I hate being a guinea pig or new trials when I’m feeling that miserable. I remember having to put a cold pack across the bridge of my nose and lay perfectly still. Any movement was intolerably painful. That was at least a dozen years ago but I’ve had a few since. So far I just have that lingering wet, deep cough (sorry, dinner time :-) I know). If it doesn’t get better then I’ll have to head out. Actually, I haven’t had either flu shots this year.Supposedly theres a batch on the way here. I want to make sure I’m feeling good when I get them.


  130. 4_Sticks
    131 | November 10, 2009 15:13

    @ Lily:

    antiboditic As in antibiotic addict ???


  131. 4_Sticks
    132 | November 10, 2009 15:15

    @ bellamags:

    Good evening ! New avatar yer sportin’ ?


  132. LGoPs
    133 | November 10, 2009 15:27

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    ……There is something else going on behind his dichotomous urging. I wonder what they really know about the status of them holding on power.

    My worry is that the fix is in and they don’t have to worry about the elections anymore. Something beyond ACORN’s ability to steal 2-3% if the vote is close.
    If it sounds paranoid, so be it. There’s plenty of smoke behind the paranoia. ACORN and repeated attempts to steal votes in multiple states. Tooth and nail fighting to defeat Voter ID laws. Voter intimidation. Rampant Absentee balloting. Largely Democratic control of legislatures at the State level where many election rules decisions are made. Just to name a few.


  133. 4_Sticks
    134 | November 10, 2009 15:53

    @ wolfie:

    The thing is though they did have detectors in place – they just didn’t work.

    His superiors.


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