It has been a year since the senseless Islamic massacre in Mumbai, India and the horrible anti-semitic massacre against those in the Chabad House. From the Chabad website commemorating this tragedy:
In the course of their short lives, Rabbi Gavriel and Rivkah Holtzberg, Chabad emissaries in Mumbai, India, radiated love, kindness and inspiration to their surroundings.
With their cruel murder by forces of darkness, their light exploded into a million points of light that now illuminate across the globe.
Click their picture for a video regarding their lives, their kindness, and their mission.
Although the Holzberg’s murder is the most famous from that day, they unfortunately were not alone. Also, needlessly murdered at the Chabad House where Bentzion Kruman (Rabbi), Yocheved Orpaz (Grandmother), Norma Shvartzblat Rabinovich, Rabbi Aryeh Leibish Teitelbaum (Father of 8).
Those who wish to deny the particularity of Islam to these types of horric events tend to pass blame on all religion. Anyone being honest however knows the uncomfortable truth that this is not the case – all religions are not equal. The following is one, of many similar Jewish responses to the the murder of the Holtzergs. There were no Jewish retribution killings of innocents, no riots, no Embassy attacks, no calls for international holy war…
This is an open thread…but one in their memory of the victims of Islamic terrorism in Mumbai, India one year ago, and the memory of the thousands of innocent people unecessarily murdered by Islamic Terrorism and hatred throughout the ages.
Tags: chabad, India, Islamism, Mumbai, Rabbi Gavriel and Rivkah Holtzberg, Terrorism
A mosque in India should be de certified for every innocent killed by animals who call themselves muslims. Until such a time that truly peaceful muslims are able to enforce their own peace. The fewer muslim one has in ones non muslim neighborhood the more peace one will have.
Muslims are violent. Or waiting to be pushed into violence. The koran likes to help them along.
We must no longer sit idly by. This is the most harmless of what we are up against, but in a room of hundreds, why can a very few get away with it?
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Jihad Watch: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/groucho-jihad-fails-at-nyu.html
They get away with it because we let them!
I have recently heard reports that not only were these people murdered, their bodies were savagely disfigured as well.
It’s about time that people woke up to the fact that these terrorists are more like Mohammed than other Muslims.
I would point out, BTW, that Chabad emissaries, like the murdered Holzbergs, are not interested in converting non-Jews. They pose no “threat” to Hindus or Muslims. They are present to provide outreach to Jews; to ensure that there is a place for Jews to pray, a place where kosher food can be found, a place where one can meet and learn, if one wishes, with other Jews.
In other words, the murdered couple were engaged in “outreach” only to their own community. Their murderers were engaged in their own form of “outreach.”
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First of all I want to say unequivocally that Islam is a cult from the heart of Lucifer. It fits with the pogrom that advances from his rebellion towards his creator. There are countless millions whose lives have been snuffed violently at the hand of the followers of Mohammed. There is no escaping this fact. While I rarely wear my religion on my sleeve, for the obvious reason there are many here who may not believe as I do, I want to quote from Yeshua who had this to say about the real enemy of our souls.
That, in a nutshell of truth, describes the real intent of Allah.
And now to the atrocious result of another Islamic outreach. These people were innocent victims of devious hate, who died practicing a march towards peace among their fellow man.
Amazing difference between Judaism & Islam. While both are monotheistic, and both deny the Divinity of Christ, their attitudes towards those who follow other faiths are worlds apart.
‘All’ Muslims are NOT terrorists by any means. But the number of Muslims who, at best, turn a blind eye towards acts of terror, and who support death for apostates is frightening, and from the polls I’ve seen, are more prevalent among younger Muslims.
Suggested reading:
Sword of the Prophet by Serge Trifkovik
Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam & the Crusades
Because They Hate by Brigitte Gabrielle
Hatred’s Kingdom by Dore Gold
Wrath,
check you email
mfhorn wrote:
Islam is Orthodox Judaism with all of the rachmones (mercy) and many of the substantive laws removed.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Its amazing the forgiveness and mercy some in this country wish to show terrorists. We will NEVER win them over with kindness. NEVER.
@ mfhorn:
There are bigger deferences than that, allah doesn’t even exist he’s a false pagan moon god, the God of the bible is the true and living God.
bellamags wrote:
Quite true. It is time—past time—our leaders stopped playing mouse to the jihadi scorpion.
buzzsawmonkey
Islam is Orthodox Judaism with all of the rachmones (mercy) and many of the substantive laws removed.
OK, now you have piqued my interest with that. How can you say Islam is Orthodox Judaism when they rely on a book that is contrary to the Torah in many respects? Granted the koran borrows heavily from Moses, it, to me, is worlds apart.
orangecrush wrote:
They can’t be reasoned with. They have nothing to learn from ‘infidels.’
It is hard for us to to see through their jihadi eyes but we are viewed by them as a group to be conquered or eliminated. That is their mind set. That is their depraved goal.
fck em.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Mohammed took God’s word, contorted it and added his junk into it to come up with the koran…totally satanic.
@ davehm:\
But that doesn’t make it Orthodox Judiasm with all the strippings.
Is chabad the name OF a house or a TYPE of housing situation for traveling Jews? Is ANYONE welsome, regardless of faith?
@ song_and_dance_man:
Absolutely not- allah is not the God of the bible, for me it ends right there.
SADM
The koran is the anti-’law’.
@ davehm:
In response:
http://www.kingmessiahproject.com/is_allah_not_God.html
I really don’t care if you worship a sprinkler. Just don’t cut off my head if I don’t worship your sprinkler.
@ bellamags:
Amen to that sistah!!! ROFLMAO
song_and_dance_man wrote:
I say that because there are plenty of harsh punishments written in the Torah for transgressions of one sort or another. But the Oral Law, which tells us how to read the Torah, ensures that these liabilities and penalties are only imposed with safeguards—kosher witnesses, prior warnings, and mercy in the application of any penalty that is absolutely necessary. The Oral Law tells us that any court which condemned someone to death more than once in 70 years was called a “court of murderers”; we are commanded to be merciful as well as just.
We are, likewise, commanded to impose penalties which, while suitable for the transgression, are not crippling; the “eye for an eye” language which ignoramuses persist in regarding as retributive, is in fact language of limit and equivalence: an eye for an eye means, not a life for an eye—and the payment for an eye is not someone else’s mutilation, but compensation for the damage.
Islam, from what I can understand, does none of this. They still lop hands for theft in Saudi Arabia, but this had been abandoned by the Jews (if indeed it was ever practiced) well over half a millennium before Mohammed was born.
So when I say that Islam is Orthodox Judaism with the rachmones (mercy) removed, I am saying in short form that it is what an unlettered man who has heard fragments of simple text, but who knows nothing of subtlety, might make of those fragments—if he were also brutal and merciless.
@ NoThreat2U:
Chabad is an acronym
Another:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
@ chickadee:
How right you are.
@ BenZacharia:
That is certain. It is antithetical of the Law given and grains against the attached promise. The seed of Ishmael continuing their sowing.
@ BenZacharia:
For?
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
They also changed the narrative a wee bit. Like Issac was the piker and Ishmael was the great one, and stuff like that. Oh, and they added the prophets Issa and Mo. And the conception of heaven and hell was completely changed, and proselytizing became not only approved, but mandatory, and a few other minor details like that…
How many died in the riots sparked by the Koran that WASN’T flushed down a toilet compared to those that died in the riots sparked by the crucifix that WAS placed in urine and photographed as art, paid for by NEA taxpayer money?
I can’t believe it’s already been one year. Unfortunately, the MSM turns a blind eye to Mumbai today, just as they do with all the other anniversaries of these atrocities carried out by radical Islamists. It’s chilling how much time and planning was put into killing innocent people. I wonder how the Holzberg’s little boy is doing-the one the nanny saved.
@ snork:
Well, yeah—but what do you expect in a funhouse mirror?
@ bellamags:
DEATH TO THOSE THAT BLASPHEME SPRINKLERS!
@ NoThreat2U:
The levels of revelation, think kabbala.
bellamags wrote:
Ok…you can have anything…just don’t cut off the head of my sprinkler…
@ livefreeor die:
I think this little boy is going to be something special. There are always those who are sacrificed for the greater good. This little boy went through something no child should ever have to endure….and for the lamest reasons possible. I hope he grows up to be a beacon to those who sit idly by and let the evil motard have their way. He has suffered yes, but out of that suffering I PRAY something good comes of it. God never closes a window………
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Don’t they still marry cousins? Maybe it’s genetic deficiencies that have kept them in the stone ages.
BenZacharia wrote:
Call me a kabbala, bubbeleh.
/sorry, couldn’t resist.
@ IslandLibertarian:
good question.
@ BenZacharia:
In my ignorance, I know kabbala as mystic Judaism. I am still confused.
@ snork:
I should have picked another object of worship. LOL. I won’t. I might run over it with my car, but I won’t cut it off with a sword.
Oh Lord how long will you with hold your judgement on the enemies of Israel…..come soon Lord come soon!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Our “Leaders” (a sad collection of egomaniacs) can’t or will not see the jihadi invasion that’s taking place right under their collective noses. So there’s no way to get them to act on what they refuse to see. We are on our own.
@ NoThreat2U:
I think I posted a list of the differences a while back on another thread.
there is quite a few, God loves the world John 3:16- allah hates sinners etc.. I haven’t got it at my finger tips at the moment.
bellamags wrote:
It’ thier Inshallah attitude
@ mawskrat:
God’s gracious, He desires that none should perish.
@ davehm:
I get it. To me, the differences are sooo obvious. Just wanted to toss that link out.
@ IslandLibertarian:
That says it all.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
The thing I puzzle over is what exactly Mo made his religious stew out of. There’s a good stock of Judaism with a fair helping of pagan moon worship, and a sprinkling of Christianity, but the flavor is a lot more like the pagan moon worship than either Judaism or Christianity. Must be a ton of MSG (moon-star god) in there.
@ WrathofG-d:
The time is not now, but it may be soon. We can only be pushed so far. I used to work with a woman who was proud of having manned barricades during the “Days of Rage” anti-war bullshit. I never had the heart to tell her that if I had been around then, I’d have fucking stormed her barricades. The time is not now. But they want to be real careful with the violence. That shit can spiral out of control. This isn’t 1969.
@ NoThreat2U:
Acromyn composed of Chochmah/Binah/Da’at
Wisdom/understanding/knowledge
Chasidim claim panetheism.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
It is easy to wrap my mind about that. And in total agreement, the idea of justice, as found in the ‘eye for eye’ command was not meant literally, but rather as a means to evaluate recompense. Once again, and in no means to push foreign faith, Yeshua elaborated on that statute and the resolution was mercy. He may be to many another, but was no doubt a fine commentator on the Law in many repsects.
My concern was equating Islam to Judaism in another context that was like a curve ball thrown in a small room.
@ wolfie:
I eat sprinklers for lunch bwaaaahahhahahahahaha!!!
(they go good on ice cream)
snork wrote:
I still maintain that the Ka’aba was built as a roadside attraction. You remember roadside attractions, right? You’re driving to visit Grandma in the next state, and you see a billboard advertising the World’s Biggest Ball of Tinfoil. “Cool! Mom! Dad! Can we stop and see it?” And, of course, you visit the gift shop and have a sandwich at the snack bar.
The Big Black Cube was built as the World’s Biggest Tefillin, so that passing caravans would stop and patronize the Aloha Snackbar and Shwarma Stand.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
and don’t forget to get your Zam Zam water there!
davehm wrote:
And they taste just like chicken…
@ buzzsawmonkey:
It is a monument to Mohammed, and inside is his statue…
(think large, silver pussy…)
@ NoThreat2U:
I hope that you are right.
bellamags wrote:
You must be why they invented this.
@ BenZacharia:
Well thak you very much. I would not have known that otherwise
OT!
Bigfoot hunter stumble upon “victims of a ’60s protest”.
pau hana….later……..
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Burma Shave.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Hmm, I was thinking frog legs.
BenZacharia wrote:
Out of the pantheism, into the fire.
@ livefreeor die:
I FEEL it. As long as he is not stifled by PC…something good will come of this.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I liken it to an old Borg ship.
davehm wrote:
That works too.
Or maybe Wall Drug?
I’m out people. Goodnight to all!
@ snork:
I want one of those. For the cars whose drivers insist on driving slow in the fast lane. Usually a hybrid vehicle with an “O n’ Joe ‘08″ bumper sticker or a piece of shit 4 door with the commie-ish “O” logo on the back window. Its just another form of socialism, slowing me down.
Iron Fist wrote:
Are we sure it’s not a Pewter Va jay jay?
@ snork:
Someone going to make a ton of cash off of that thing.
I really was gonna sign off, but I thought I would check the topic du jour. Please go and see the poll at 1/0 and read the comments. Kilgore is a straight up asshole. OMG.
davehm wrote:
Goodyear and Firestone.
Islam has a real streak of Nihilism in it. They never stop until they are forcibly stoped. Who did that? El Cid, Charles Martel, Richard the Lionheart to name a few.
Who bows to them? Why our Dear Leader.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Is he doing handstands again?
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Didn’t want to start a fire, but yeah, more like Spinozas’ pantheism than panetheism.
TTFN, beddy bye, 3:30 is approaching.
@ NoThreat2U:
Damn, they are arguing about downdings! How positively childish. I haven’t noticed KKKilgore yet. What does he do, burn a cross or something?
@ davehm:
Woulda been handy when OJ Simpson had the LA freeways all shut down, wouldn’t it?
snork wrote:
I wonder if I’d get in trouble using that on scofflaw cyclists here in NYC.
@ Iron Fist:
I’m willing to bet they meant Jimmah
@ Iron Fist:
Sure looks to me like Jimwhistle is losing the argument.
@ snork:
I remember the night that happened. watched it on TV like a sporting event. I think someone went and got more beer.
@ Iron Fist:
I’m tempted to go look see, but a ding wreck is not so amusing.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I doubt goat heads are common in NYC, but a gloved handful of these buggers would do the trick.
gota go asta
@ bellamags:
Yeah, but NoThreat2U mentioned KKKilgore. I didn’t see anything by him that stood out.
@ Iron Fist:
Yeah, I looked and only saw one reasonable comment.
@ snork:
Weasel now says that she and Jimmah are getting married in the U.S
Ok, are these actually two people, or did the Weasel invent Jimmah?
@ RIX:
I think they’re both inventions. And I don’t think either has ever been to the US.
RIX wrote:
“There’s my argument—restrict immigration!”
—Groucho Marx
Iron Fist wrote:
Yeah, I was trying to find a Kilgore nutty comment. I couldn’t find it. Weasel & Jimmah are playing the fools though.
Worse Than Taxes: The Spending
Well it is a lively thread and I noticed we were mentioned. albusteve is holding his own with criticism of B. Hussein and good on him for that.
RIX wrote:
Tough to find a non-Muslim house of worship in the UK these days, I hear.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
The law won’t let them procreate , right?
RIX wrote:
Forget the law; they’re both anticreationists, so no worries.
@ RIX:
Jimmah on ice is a drink best served in another country.
Senate bill weighs in at 2,074 pages
Is there some sort of “who’s dick is longer” thing going on between Harry and Nancy?
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Weasel is very proud of her atheism. I figue that they will have that New Age Shaman Charles officiate at the crime.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Agreed, they should both be barred as undesireables.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
But can we take that chance?
@ davehm:
Oh absolutely. But in both cases, it’s a single deity which is worshiped.
And BTW, Sarah Palin is on Hannity right now. At least MT.
Naso Tang is making a good show. He seems to be about the only one that gets it, thoug:
That is really the arguement in a nutshell. Either this is a war and KSM is the fucking enemy or this is a crime and KSM is a criminal. One or the other.
211 Dark_Falcon
Wed, Nov 18, 2009 6:03:34pm replyquote 5downupreport
re: #199 Jimmah
Looks like a typical comment from 2.0.
Jimmah, that was over the line. Matrix is angry about this issue, but he is not now, and has not ever acted like a ugly hater like those assholes over there.
/flips the stalkers the bird
song_and_dance_man wrote:
I have it on in the Central Time Zone.
@ RIX:
Methinks they’ve got a serious case of projection going over there. I see more hatred and vile commentary over there in a day than I’ve ever seen here.
@ RIX:
Hey, they are the ones arguing amongst themselves about the almighty down-ding, not us. Next they’ll try and see who can piss the fartherest. My bet is on Iceweasel…
Oh Christ…
MandyManners Wed, Nov 18, 2009 6:23:04pm replyquote
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re: #281 Guanxi88
The important thing, after all the arguing is over and done with, is that Obama and Holder are able to demonstrate their own superiority – ethically and legally – over the hated enemies of humanity and Constitutionalism by treating these cases as if they were mere breaches of the peace and murder, as they so clearly are, and not as criminal acts committed in furtherance of an unconventional war by a non-state actor, which they most certainly are not.
Only by ensuring that these men are able to drag the evils of the previous administration’s misguided, unethical, and anti-American policies into their cases and before a court, can the AG later find, with the concurrence of the Congress, correctly, that there is a preponderance of evidence to undertake prosecutions of the monsters under whose dominion this nation, and the world, suffered for so long.
What you said. In triplicate.
@ RIX:
Well, Sarah didn’t answer Sean’s question if she thought B. Hussein is a socialist, but she said enough to imply that conviction.
OK, so who hasnt seen my newest blog post yet? I vant to zee your (Healthcare) Papers… It was inspired by TFK…
@ CynicalConservative:
@ Iron Fist:
THey are really having a dust up right now.
Oh & Hoops doesn’t like us either. He has to quit brushing CJ’s ponytail.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Yeah,I caught that, but she just broke bad on BHO for Ayers & Wright.
RIX wrote:
Rush interviewed her yesterday. She was great. Good solid answers.
The more she is attacked the more people embrace her and rally round her.
It’s amazing how the rabid left can’t see that. They can’t help themselves.
She is driving them crazy.
@ chickadee:
Rush interviewed her yesterday. She was great. Good solid answers.
The more she is attacked the more people embrace her and rally round her.
It’s amazing how the rabid left can’t see that. They can’t help themselves.
She is driving them crazy
Sarah Palin is a major player. It is comical that people who think that Biden & Pelosi are great thinkers, trash Palin’s intellect.
@ RIX:
And Al Gore, of the million-degree core of the earth, is a sooper-genus!
@ chickadee:
ha. Sarah just called dinnerjacket a mad man twice.
She is calling out Hasan as a terrorist and suggests profiling suspected combatants.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
*Gasp* What kind of monster is this woman?
353 LudwigVanQuixote
Wed, Nov 18, 2009 6:41:00pm replyquote -1downupreport
Actually John Stewart says it pretty well.
[Link: http://www.hulu.com...
I am really tired of the phony whining of the right, that we might actually live up to the ideals we are supposed to.
Get this straight.
The United Sates is a nation of laws. We stand for those things. Those laws are what gives us the liberties we hold dear.
To those of you who fear actually applying the law, you should find a different country with different values.
The North Koreans think like you do too.
Ludwig is now telling people to leave the country who do not agree with is uninformed opinions!
He is getting a real beat down right now.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
The kind of refreshing anti-PC pol we have been waiting for.
Iron Fist wrote:
Well of course he is. He knows that even though the Polar Bear population is increasing, they are decreasing.
Give the man a Noble Peace Prize!
Oh man, I love this woman. She just called the Press the lame stream media. Ha.
RIX wrote:
They know she’s a huge threat. Her incredible popularity scares the Hell out of them. I heard some bitch on the radio this morning. She was so incensed that 1500 people had camped out all night at a book store in Michigan so they could meet Sarah and get their books signed. She had no idea why people would do that. LOL
If the msm thought Sarah would sink it for us they would be treating her like they treated McCain and Bob Dole.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
LOL, She is so refreshing. Don’t you just love the honesty. She says what so many Americans are thinking.
Damn we need politicians like her.
@ chickadee:
Exactly. They see her a real threat and so attack her relentlessly as they would any perceived as a quite formidable foe.
@ chickadee:
If the msm thought Sarah would sink it for us they would be treating her like they treated McCain and Bob Dole
Bingo! McCain was the Democrats choice for Republican nominee.
Palin scares the Dems because she actually has beliefs.
Go Sarah!
@ chickadee:
She is the next Obama, but much more better, culled from the backwoods of politics and thrust inadvertently onto the national political stage.
One comment, and then to bed. I hope I am not breaking protocol, as I think it is safe to make an OT comment about other places on the internet. If I am, you have my apology right now.
I have taken a slight break, popped in and out of a few places, and now just went back and tool a gander elsewhere.
Buzz, there is trouble in Culver City with a Capital T, and that stands for “tool”.
Good. Lord.
Sorry, that is all I have to say.
My first tool was a took.
The one really brilliant move McCain made in his otherwise disastrous campaign was to choose Sarah as his Vice Presidential nominee. As for the rest … meh. But thank you, Sen. McCain, for Sarah.
Sorry, I know I said just one.
KSM. First Amendment Rights.
I’m thinking of the Lucy holding the football for Charlie scenario right now. Rhetorical, I know.
Sorry. I’m done.
Anybody following the thread over at the Dump? Ludwig is a raging lunatic. His wheels are more than off of the rails, thay have fallen off of the engine.
@ RIX:
It would be comedy on ice if it weren’t so sad.
Rix, that is exactly what I am referencing.
For crying out loud, someone is going to start calling the ball game on the blank television screen.
I’ve tried to stay away since I was sacked for no reason other than my name (I suspect), but couldn’t resist glancing at the train wreck and I’m hooked on the sick drama tonight.
@ RIX:
What’s going on over there, anyway? I’ve been reading the thread here and the reports from the cult sound as if they’d all had magic mushrooms for dinner, or something. Or did the Palestinian bounty program (proposed earlier today) freak them out?
Myself likewise. I have taken a break since too, but it is truly amazing.
I just keep thinking, this is the blog that took Rather down.
Un f’ing real.
Sorry, I’ll have more substance to the conversations here more often. I never had a chance to opine about the whole thing, thus most everyone has moved on with their thoughts about it.
I will move on too.
I’m currently wondering where the almighty ban-hammer is for the apostates who disagree with asswhistle, jummy and quixotass…
Have a good night folks.
@ CynicalConservative:
@ Formercorpsman:
Yes & Yes
@ Formercorpsman:
No worries, we all take our time. Thought I was done, but guess not. Such is the beauty of open threads, it’s all good. Glad to see you posting again.
(not that I’m anybody special or a monitor)
What happens in the swamp should stay in the swamp. However the wreck is amusing on so many levels.
If I had the initiative a tabloid like blog would be a great idea, following the antics of the misguided blog stars.
Gypsy wrote:
How can you be so insensitive as to bring up some trivial news story when there are serious crises going on…. like excessive down-dinging and shattered egos!!!!!
(In all seriousness, I have no idea what’s going on, but I’ll bet on the mushrooms.)
It sounds like it is degenerating into something like “Lord of the Flies,” over at the nut house.
Where are the adults?
There seem to be at least a couple voices of sanity over at the nuthouse.
Gypsy wrote:
Ludwig has gone totally off of his nut & called anybody who doesn’t aggree that KSM should have a civilian trial, un American & they should leave the country.
He is currently getting the shit kicked out of him & he just gets nuttier.
His only support is that despicable Weasel. Suprise.
chickadee wrote:
The adults are here.
Good night. Clean up on aisle five. Sweep up Ludwig.
@ RIX:
Night RIX. Don’t think the broom has been invented that could be used to clean up that mess.
Crowds go nuts. It is a mob now. Unruly, out of control. A maniac in charge.
The way they are turning on each other and lashing out. This is happening because they feel so empty having abandoned their principles, from cowardice, just to belong. And to what. They signed on with Queeg and they are realizing the mistake.
CynicalConservative wrote:
You’re exactly right.
KSM was not arrested, was not given miranda rights, was not detained by law enforcement. These things may have occurred later as he was transferred to GTMO, but this stupid idea to run a trial will do nothing but get a ton of ‘evidence’ thrown out as he was being used for intelligence collection…and all of that will be tossed…then he will get an unfiltered and compliant media to broadcast his absolutely falsified tales of torture (right out of the AQ playbook available at FAS.ORG) which will further sully the image that the weakminded American public already holds of our Nation. F-kin’ stupid decision.
Ray of sanity from the nuthouse. I wonder when the banstick will strike?
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Ludwig, frankly, that’s naive. It’s also ignoring that we are NOT giving some of them trials. Is Barack Obama a North Korean now, according to you?
The US has done some awful, awful things in its time. We’ve supported dictators, we’ve segregated our populace– after enslaving them.
But anyone who doesn’t think that we’ve done far, far more good is an idiot. We’re not saints, we’re not a perfect union of angelic beings. We will screw up, and sometimes the screwups will be huge. We are human. We are allowed to. We are not allowed to become complacent about it.
Nobody here is complacent, nobody here wants an injustice to happen. These people are honestly saying that justice can be served adequately in a military tribunal and I would agree with that given that Holder thinks it adequate for others.
Now think about how many of your criticisms, in the terms you’re making them, apply equally to Holder and Obama.
Well said…
And since they are looking, my icon is me in Karmah Iraq…been there done that assbags of 1.0
Its interesting to me that I don’t hear the left invoking the Geneva Convention with regards to KSM.
During the previous administration they couldn’t stop invoking it even though then, as now, they apparently don’t know what it actually says.
@ bluliner10:
Thank you.
@ CynicalConservative:
Appreciated!
Crusader Rabbit wrote:
I’ll bet you’re right.
bluliner10 wrote:
Great photo. Thank you for your service.
Not sure if anyone’s seen this yet here, apologies if so.
It’s not much, but it’s SOMETHING right for a change.
chickadee wrote:
Of course the final straw was the defense of the DHS memo…obviously as a conservative leaning, veteran of the recent wars…Chuckie felt that it was quite appropriate that I should be profiled and surveilled to ensure I didn’t rent a Ryder truck…
@ Bumr50:
Excellent news. Some oldtimer in the State Dept. must have finally broken through Obama’s foreign policy soviet, and talked some sense into him.
@ bluliner10:
It’s beyond belief. Any defense attorney with half a brain would argue that KSM is being railroaded.
And since we’ve given him all of the rights and protections that WE have as citizens, they’d be right.
Holder will have to illegally deconstruct our legal system to secure a guilty verdict.
For which I hope he’s charged in the future.
@ wolfie:
It’s an easy test:
During the previous administration the left claimed that we were required by the Geneva Convention to treat KSM et al as POW’s. It does not say that.
Now apparently the position is that these pukes are entitled to the rights of civilians. Not only is there no legal precedent, but the Geneva Conventions most emphatically does not say that either.
More than anything else the Geneva Convention is about protecting civilians. Unlawful Combatants are many things, including those who harm, endanger or menace civilians. They are not themselves civilians, nor lawful combatants. One of those few things the previous administration got right is they never stopped calling these pukes by the correct appellation: “Unlawful Combatants.”
@ Gypsy:
Or even better, he arrived at the decision on his own and went against his puppetmasters.
At some point he’s got to get sick of being told what to do.
bluliner10 wrote:
That pretty well sums it up. I would only add that anyone who would use KSM to set up a show trial meant to embarrass, demonize, and dishonor the United States is a traitorous POS.
PS- Thanks for your service! My nephew was over there, Army special ops. I am very, very proud of our military. You guys give me hope.
@ wolfie:
Yes bluliner. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. It’s disgraceful, the way in which you’re being undercut by the current administration.
You deserve better.
Bumr50 wrote:
Standing up to bullies works. They backed down Zero.
As a Christian and a Catholic, I know that I must be careful judging other Faiths but I do not have the human capacity to be able to believe in my heart that this is a legitimate Faith and in fact I fear it is not from God at all but from the opposite. If any are Islamic who blog here can you explain this particular part of the Koran as it applies in particular to this poor woman?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/20-year-old-woman-stoned-to-death-for-adultery-in-somalia.html
Bumr50 wrote:
After the first two weeks of this multimillion dollar legal extravaganza Holder and Obama are going to look like prize fools. Marcia Clark at the OJ circus will be nothing to it. It will mean Holder’s job and eventually Obama’s will be in real jeopardy.
obama is an idiot because he thinks he is so intelligent and so charismatic that the ‘unwashed’ will accept everything he does. It’s happening slowly, but I do think people are seeing through the hype.
Interesting topic – interesting comments. Seems like days of old (not too old) to read Wrath, Buzz and Song & Dance discuss the issues. I’m always reminded of that verse It’s been so long since I’ve been to LGF, I think why bother? But the fall from grace happened even quicker than I imagined. I never thought the gate would swing that far left.
Concerning the topic and something far more important that Charlie, in reading of the Islamic world, I can’t help but be reminded of these prophetic verses:
Genesis 16:11-12
The angel of the LORD also said to her:
“You are now with child
and you will have a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,
for the LORD has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers.
Nothing has changed in 4,000 years…
@ wright1:
Terrible story.
You could hardly get more opposite than Jesus and Mohammed, I fear.
I have to say that the goings on at the tar pit give me hope for this country.
It appears that a number of posters there have finally gotten a bellyful of the Weasel and some others, and enough of them are giving back a big “Sez you!” that the forces of darkness are disconcerted, and there seems not to have been a mass banning.
To quote the actor James Gleason, from the end of “Meet John Doe”; “There you are—the people! Try and lick that!”
newsjunkie_ky wrote:
I agree. He is making a spectacle of himself because he has swallowed the laughable bullshit that he is like a god. Well. guess what Zero, America has never been ruled by demented royalty and isn’t abt. to start now with a fck up nobody like you.
wolfie wrote:
Mohammed was continually enraged. Jesus was only cross.
OMG, sally quinn is the stupidest woman on earth.
@ Bumr50:
Hey, guy! How’d “Invisible Man” work out for you?
@ Goodbye_Natalie:
Always a pleasure—too rare—to see you around.
@ Formercorpsman:
Hey, man, good to see you! Stick around. The best thing about the other place was the community, and we’ve got that here! Not all of it, no. There are names that you won’t see here. Through their own choice, as most (if not all) are welcome. We have a lot of fun here. As they used to say at LGF, we don’t feel like Satan…
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Another round of bannings in the wings?
@ wolfie:
I just do not get the attraction to being a Muslim. It appears to be a Faith built on things I know and we know, in our heart are untrue. With Jesus, everything rings true. Jesus is Truth. …so I naiively ask why are so many decieved?
And I am not even talking beyond the Koran – the interpretations thereof by terrorists creating murder and mayhem in the name of Allah simply seals the deal but the text of this book is based on insane notions of justice and morality. And it is all a deception – in my opinion. I know this s not new ground here but I am having a hard time being ecumenical.
mfhorn wrote:
No idea, don’t care.
But it seemed as though at least some of the villagers had finally had a bellyful, and were storming the castle with wreaths of garlic, wooden stakes, and torches in hand.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I’m glad to hear that.
I assume they are still discussing the KSM trial. It’s good to know that the majority aren’t caving into the quixotic weaselers on this one.
mfhorn wrote:
He may be a bit reluctant to indiscriminately ban people these days. I bet he is noticing that intelligent discourse is missing from his blog and it may have occurred to him that he has thrown most of his good posters under the bus.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
It’s going great, but I;m sorry to report that I’m only about 1/3 of the way through.
I’ve also picked up a Kafka Complete writings at 1/2 price books.
I’m going to Mexico to get married all next week and have been dealing with that.
@ wright1:
My big question comes from what I understand is Allah’s ‘ability’ (for lack of a better word) to be both good & evil.
According to Christianity, if you’ve accepted Christ as your Savior, salvation is assured.
Under Islam, as I understand it, a Muslim who prays multiple times a day, fasts during Ramadan, gives to the poor, makes a pilgrimage to Mecca etc, still has no assurance of being admitted to Paradise.
I wonder if he is regretting letting that scrunt weasel commandeer his blog.
As long as that thing is there he won’t even get any “reasonable” libs. (if there is such a thing)
Bumr50 wrote:
Mazel tov, and all happiness!
@ Bumr50:
Congratulations! I’m getting married in April myself. What a long, strange trip it’s been from my first marriage to here. I am now with a wonderful lady. Hope that yours is as wonderful for you as mine is for me. Aw, hell…
{Bumr50}
Bumr50 wrote:
Que te guarda y bendiga Dios! (May God bless and keep you!)
@ mfhorn:
I think you are leaving out martyrdom as the golden ticket. But i do not know mysself. I guess what I am saying is that it is geting a bit old to keep trotting out the argument “its just a few radicalized muslims – no, this is the faith and you are commanded to live frequently immorally and without any rational justification on rather pedestrian topics. Sory folfs, the empereor has no clothes. This Faith is a ruse. I invite all comers to explain Allah’s messenger’s unhealthy desire for young chidren as a start to this topic.
@ wright1:
And turning Heaven into a whorehouse. Even in paradise their women do all the work.
@ Bumr50:
@ Iron Fist:
Congrats to both of you!
Go maire sibh bhur saol nua agus Sliocht sleachta ar sliocht bhur sleachta!
(May you enjoy your new life & blessings on your posterity)
@ m:
Now, now, there are little boys (perfect boys) available for use by the mighty jihadi warriors as well. A little pederasty, but it is sanctioned by their Blood God, so it’s all good!
Gah, they revolt me so.
@ Iron Fist:
The Islamic world is revolting?
@ mfhorn:
Without doubt.
At BIBLE STUDy TONIGHT, WE READ THE PART Of Christ the King and it was clear to me how little amyone recognized Jesus even as he was confronted by Pontious Pilate – what we DO we notice I WONDER?
Jesus seems so humble.
@ Iron Fist:
And by several definitions of the word ‘revolting’, too.
mfhorn wrote:
They stink on ice.
/mel brooks
This time it will work, I promise.
0(zero)
@ chickadee:
#124 And those 1500 were before the mall opened too. Now Gateway pundant is reporting over 10,000. Not bad for a “has Been”, eh? LOL
I think most authors would love to see 10,000 in th whole book tour, let alone in the first stop.10,000 at Sarah’s first stop
Sarah – America loves her; Liberals FEAR her
Sarge
I meant to say: what we do is notice Christs’ humiity
@ Iron Fist:
True. I shouldn’t have left out the chilrun.
ROPOA
@ wright1:
Do you think we are heading into the End Times?
mfhorn wrote:
Yea that from me too.
Toldjah we were everywhere.
@ CynicalConservative:
See Mohammed on ice!
See MUZZIES IN SPAAAAAACE!
wolfie wrote:
1.0 is.///
Nytall.
‘Nite, folks! I think I’m ready to sleep. Ambien, take me away!
(Not a) Shocker: Religious leader arrested in raid – Guess the religion
@ m:
They give “we do it for the chilrun” a whole new meaning.
mfhorn wrote:
I knew someone here would get it…
@ m:
Phew! I was worried for a moment that the Brits might have uncovered agents in the Great Global Creationist Conspiracy.
@ CynicalConservative:
Let’s see..
We’re Muzzies out in space
We’re flying along
Converting the whole human race
We’re Muzzines out in space
If infidels appear
We’ll blow them apart so there’s not even a trace
I am fading myself, slipping into the arms of Morpheus. So I will say goodnight.
May we never forget what happened in Mumbai. May God comfort the families of all the victims, and may His justice be done.
Holder’s Testimony
Amazing:
You can’t vote against healthcare and call yourself a black man
I guess I’ll just keep queuing it up for the night shift:
The EPA’s Paranoid Style
The pissing match continues:
Madhouse? Did somebody mention where they are?
You’re not supposed to. Unless there’s something I don’t know.
Now mommy shows up:
Dang. A downding. That’s worse than bed without supper.
Pw3n:
@ snork:
It’s like the Jerry Springer show, you know when you lock a bunch of people in the same room for days on end they will start going for one anothers throat.
Have to upding snork for the running commentary…only thing missing is the magic screen and the famous John Madden “BOOM”! Looks like a playground fight over there.
Professor genius doesn’t know the difference between “tact” and “tack” (and this isn’t the first time):
Biff!
Dayng!
They are eating each other over there…what happened to the teacher? leave the classroom for a bit?
That last one seems like it should finish with…will Batman escape? Will the Joker finally get away with his scheme? This and the other answers tomorrow…same Battime, same Batchannel…
LGF is showing a whole new side to liberalism I’ve never seen! Its true nature.
@ snork:
They started going at each other around 10:30AM today, and it ramped up with Ludhead’s typical boorish insulting lecturing.
You are smoking crack if you think I am equating those.
@ Bunk X:
Too much to track. I’ll stop posting clips.