46 years ago…
Tags: assassination, JFK, Remembrance
November 22, 1963
by savage ( 179 Comments › )Filed under Politics at November 22nd, 2009 - 12:01 am
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Play nice!
JFK was arguably the last of the modern democrats who understood basic economics.
First! I will say this. J.F.K. may not have had enough experience, but I do believe he wanted the best for America. I think that the old Democratic party died with him. Then we were forced to accept that bastard L.B.J. I am ashamed to call that man a Texan. He was a worthless drunk who screwed this country up bad. The war on poverty has been one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever made.
Damn, you beat me to it Bunk.
FIRST!
linoleumknife wrote:
I just paraphrased what you said and hit send quicker.
@ Bunk X:
Yeah, I can be a bit of a wind bag. I get it from my Grandpa. He and I can sit around for hours talking politics. He’s a good guy.
@ linoleumknife:
I was joking.
Maybe we should play a game sometime. Call it “Duelling Ludwigs.”
Forty-six years. Damn. Where does the time go?
I had just returned to my classroom from lunch break when a classmate told me that the President had been shot. I didn’t believe her, then the Teacher came into the classroom and it was clear to all that she had been crying. It hit me at that point that what I had been told by my classmate was true and the Teacher confirmed that the President had been killed. The rest of that day is lost in time but I’ll never forget the moment I first heard about JFK’s assassination.
@ Bunk X:
LOL, that sounds like fun. We could be the soul cause of the polar caps melting.
linoleumknife wrote:
You may be right linoleumknife, but he remains the last Democratic President of note.
I have been reading William Manchester’s “Death of a President”. I think that it is most unfair that Manchester should have had those wordsmithing talents and not me. But then, whoever said that life was fair!
Manchester basically adopted the line of the Warren Commission that Oswald acted alone although he dropped some hints that there was more to it than that, for instance he pointed out that many of the people who were witnesses to the assassination (including Oswald) came to sudden and sticky ends shortly there-after. In the last paragraph of the book, he speculated on a traveler in the distant future stumbling across the pink outfit that Jackie Kennedy wore which is hidden away in some attic somewhere. “He may wonder what the stains are and he may wonder who was to blame”.
I like that typo! We could be the Sam and Dave of Global Warming!
Ha, I didn’t even notice that. It isn’t always easy multi-tasking.
@ African Moondog:
I will have to check that book out. So many books so little time.
@ linoleumknife:
As with all Manchester’s books, it is superbly written.
From a site called http://www.jkflancer.com
“The man who eliminated Oswald, sleazy Dallas nightclub owner named Jack Ruby, claimed he was overcome by grief for Jackie Kennedy and her children. He shot Oswald as the accused assassin was being transferred from a city jail to a county jail on November 24. IT COULD HARDLY HAVE BEEN AN IMPULSIVE ACT. He infiltrated the jail with a loaded pistol in his pocket at the exact time of the transfer. Then he confronted Oswald, whose front was strangely unprotected in a phalanx of seventy armed lawmen.”
@ African Moondog:
Yeah, that never added up to me. Out of all the events that has a conspiracy theory attached to it, the Kennedy assassination is one of the more believable ones.
http://www.jfklancer.com/media.html
Chief Curry admits that the shots came from the front.
Curry was part of the secret service detail. Before the funeral, attended by the heads of state of so many different countries, there was another kind of tension with MI5, the French Securite , Mossad, the KGB etc all doing their own security arrangements as nobody trusted the American security anymore. With good reason. How many assassination attempts did De Gaulle survive unscathed? 14 or 15? Something in that region. The US secret service f***ed up badly that day, although when those nutcases had a go at Ford they had improved beyond measure.
@ African Moondog
Conspiracy monger? Meh. I’m outta here for now, but I’ll leave you with this great Spanish-to-English trainwreck via Google Translate to ponder:
“Neurotic he is already. You can repair the way the octopus laugh : it is like empty.”
I was in third grade. The announcement came over the intercom in class. I will never forget it.
A few days later I walked into the living room and my Mom said, ” Someome just shot Oswald”.
@ Bunk X:
Shit! How can we have a JFK post without a good conspiracy theory? That is inhuman. Whay does that quote make me think of selrahC?
@ BatGuano:
So much of what we learn, and what defines us as individuals and as a nation, is through pain and sacrifice. That is one of the major problems with this country today and with the proggresive movement. We no longer accept pain and sacrifice as a way of life. We now have “safety nets” to keep Americans from “falling through the cracks”. This goes against the laws of nature. If you make a bad decision, you are suppose to feel the effects of that decision. Since we have taken the pain out of decision making we have seen the exceptional nature of America decline. Students do not lose at sports anymore. Workers are not fired for incompetence. Congress critters are not charged for crimes or booted for lying. Criminals are awarded cash for being injured when committing a crime. This is against every natural force there is. Until we come back to the idea that actions and words have consequences we will not be able to right this countries course.
Heh, there I go again. Countries=country’s
linoleumknife wrote:
Huh?
@ African Moondog:
California a few years ago. Some dude was breaking into this guy’s house and he shot the crook. It wasn’t fatal, and he sued the guy for damages. He won some settlement out of it. I could be wrong, but crazier things have happened there.
@ linoleumknife:
I can believe it. When crooks start getting compensated for “on the job” accidents that area is on a downward slide. I cannot imagine that sort of thing happening in Texas.
Bunk X wrote:
Yup, definitely selrahC.
@ African Moondog:
Nope, all you have to say is “I was in fear for my life.” That’s it, after that it is generally dropped. Unless you shot the s.o.b. in the back or unloaded a 15 round clip into him. Then they come after you.
@ linoleumknife:
Actually that is the way it should be. I’m outta here, bbl.
@ African Moondog:
Later. Have a good one.
@ linoleumknife:
I’m not so sure it was a “mistake”. Johnson has been quoted as having said “Signing this will have them n****rs voting Democrat for the next 200 years”. He was like most of the rest of the scum that inhabit Capitol Hill: corrupt to the core, and strictly a party man.
I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who warned us about not forming political parties. He was right.
linoleumknife wrote:
I recall seeing that take place live on TV. Yes, I remember where I was and what I was doing. We had our 19″ 48 lb “portable” TV set up in our kitchen, and as I buttered a bagel, the shots rang out. Even in 1963, they could do what passed for “instant replay”, and when they showed it again, my 14 year old mind thought “something just is not right with this…” I was thinking that for all that security, Ruby had a darn clear shot.
The Friendly Grizzly wrote:
I was referring to a comment above about how the war on poverty was a “mistake”. It was not. Every one of Johnson’s actions were calculated. The Democrat party had been, and remains, the racially obsessed party. I believe Johnson was smart enough to know that the anti-povertly legislation would result in more damage to the negro condition (they were called negroes in those days) than segregation had ever accomplished.
Good morning. THe History Channel had a really good program on the Kennedy assasination last night.
I was struck by three things, the animosity between RFK & LBJ was viral, second the sense of entitlement to power that the Kennedy people felt & as Linoleumkife said earlier, the old Dem Party died eith him.
33 LudwigVanQuixote
Sat, Nov 21, 2009 3:00:10pm replyquote -5downupreport
I can believe this. We live in a nation so stupid, ignorant and uneducated, that the wailings of this moron are seen as legitimate.
This is Ludwig commenting on boogeyman Glen Beck.
He likes us, he really likes us.
I think Oswald acted alone and it was a series of randomn events that led Jack Ruby to find Oswald at the particular time he did to when he killed him. Ruby’s stripper needed money so Ruby left his place to wire her some and that is the reason that he was in the vicinity of Oswald.
I wasn’t even 90 days old when this occurred.
I’m still waiting for any lib to justify wasting trillions of dollars over the past 4 decades in the war on poverty, with no change in the outcome.
At what point – monetarily or timewise, does one say, you know, it’s just not working. Of course, that requires intellectual honesty.
Underzog wrote:
I found the oddest part of the whole thing that a mobbed up strip club owner like Ruby was so morally outraged that he offed Oswald.
Then Ruby dies in prison shortly after. Just odd.
I could just be one of those stoopid Americns that Ludwig talks about though.
RIX wrote:
Plenty of thieves in prison will take down a child rapist. Some people draw the line at different points than us. Plenty of GIs went to Pig Alley after killing nazis, vicey versey.
Above attribution should be to rix
People don’t like to think that a world historical figure can be offed by an ordinary dipshit — but it happens. It sounds so much more sexy that some criminal mastermind or some super villian such as Dr. Doom of Fantastic Four fame was the one that did the killing or sent the killers to do their work.
Ordinary dipshits do assasinate presidents, however. Such as that Leon fellow who assasinated William McKinley.
@ BenZacharia:
Plenty of thieves in prison will take down a child rapist. Some people draw the line at different points than us. Plenty of GIs went to Pig Alley after killing nazis, vicey versey.
Ruby died of lung cancer in prison in January of 1967 while awaiting a new trial. I just find the Ruby thing very odd.
BTW Good Morning.
@ Underzog:
Ordinary dipshits do assasinate presidents, however. Such as that Leon fellow who assasinated William McKinley.
That’s certaimly true & I am not going all conspiacy here.
It just seems odd to me that Oswald was silenced by a strip club owner.
It would have been really good to find out Oswalds motive in his own words.
Mornin’ ya’all
I was not quite three years old at the time, yet such was the impact of this tragedy, that even I knew something was up.
Now to the important stuff. Notre Dame lost yesterday in double overtime to Connecticut!
Charlie Weiss now has a worse record than Tyrone Wllingham & Bob Davie at the same point.
Here’s the deal though. If Charlie get’s let go , he gets an $18 million going away buy out!
texasam7 wrote:
Terrible day.
5 and watching a re-run of the mickey mouse club or a local equivalent is what I recall.
@ RIX:
Morning all!
RIX, saw that show also,lots of factoids I had never heard or read.The comment about J Edgar Hoover taking delight in telling RFK the potus had been killed.The assassination is one of those unforgettable events like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. What a weekend that was.
vagabond trader wrote:
Yeah, there was a lot there that I didn’t know or had forgotten.
Hoover & RFK had a real rivalry & hated each other. I’ll bet that Hoover took delite in breaking the bad news.
I was a tad less than a year old, so I have no recollection of it… I do, however, remember where I was when Reagan was shot — having a cold draft after class at a buddy’s frat house (they had just tapped the keg for a party they were having that night).
I was three and it was the second event in my life that I experienced that included death or the threat of death. Both were explained to me in a frank manner by my standing at the ironing board watching TV mother. The other event was the Cuban Missile Crisis were democracy, pluralism, and the totalitarian’s desire and efforts to see both universally snuffed out was explained. Our system of political enfranchisement and comparison on how other societies chose and changed their leaders was the central theme of the discussion we had on the day Kennedy was brought down.
His families corruption and father’s abuse of machine politics to get his boys inside aside, I have since thought of the assassination as the beginning or pivot point in history that marked the end of the ideals of the European Enlightenment. or a least a long protracted struggle against them here in the USA.
This may or may not be of interest, but it may illustrate the universal appeal that Kennedy had. I have a hand tooled beaten copper plate of about twelve inches in diameter with the likeness of JFK from the fifty cent piece expertly worked in to it with the quote, “and the light from that fire can truly light the world”. It hangs in a place of honor on a wall in my basement alongside a commemorative copy of the Israeli declaration of Independence that was issued by the Jerusalem Post on the day of its enactment. Strangly the JFK piece also has his life dates at the bottom, but incorrectly notes the date of his death as November 22, 1964, I guess it may have took it a while for the news to reach the artisan in Isfahan, Iran who marked the work as his.
Yes, it was frightening, just one year after the Cuban Missile Crisis,then this. Many people at the time assumed it was Soviet payback for that event.
What has puzzled me is after all these years and all our foreign policy shifts we have never made nice nice with Cuba until now. Always suspected Cuba had more than a peripheral involvement with JFKs murder. I have no love for Castro & Co., just odd given that we are “friends” with Russia, China, Vietnam,Japan, Germany, far more deadly enemies historically speaking.
See ya later.
I am going to be visiting the JFK assasintaion museum this week in Dallas.
The Left never could come to grips with the fact that JFK (no leftist himself) was killed by a Marxist piece of crap.
@ Speranza:
Isn’t that the truth.Anyone but a disaffected commie traitor, preferably a rightwingnut from the CIA.
Wife’s in Dallas this morning. Its supposed to be a nice sunny day.
@ Scott Madsen:
Like the new avatar.
JFK would be appalled at what the Democrat party has become.
‘Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country’ to an attitude of ‘what’s Uncle Sam going to take from some greedy rich white person and give to me’ in a generation. Pathetic.
We’re So Frickin’ Screwed
Good Mornin All….my wife came home from work this morning and made me breakfast. I am not worthy.lol
vagabond trader wrote:
and RFK was killed by an Arab nationalist. Two inconvenient truths for the Left to digest.
His wife Jackie was upset that it was ot a right wing hate filled nut but “an insignificant little communist”.
@ Speranza:
ding ding ding.All the books, docudramas and conspiracy theories ain’t gonna change dem facts.
mawskrat wrote:
Especially if you were communing with that bottle in your avatar last night.
Lincoln(R) and King(R), both where murdered by (D)s
McKinley(R) was murdered by a Progressive.
ha. ha. ha.Speaking of reprobates of the Kennedy persuasion.Why don’t they simply declare as atheists or new agers already.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/ri-bishop-bans-kennedy-from-communion/
@ vagabond trader:
as a matter of fact I was.lol
I was in 9th grade journalism class when we were told by our teacher. We had one of the few TV’s in that room. She turned on the news. The newscaster repeated every few minutes that “there is no conspiracy” – “it was a lone gunman.”
My ninth grade mind said “how the hell do they know that already?”
That is why I beliveve it was a conspiracy.
As far as Cuba, the Kings from TX used to own the largest ranch in the world. Now they are #2 or #3 or less. Their ranch was in Cuba.
They still own a lot of land in South TX.
@ mawskrat:
Btw JFK cut taxes across the board, the alleged conservative Richard E. Nixon never did.
vagabond trader wrote:
The best book on the subject
“Camelot and the Cultural Revolution: How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism” by James Pierson
PIMF – the authors name is James Piereson not Pierson.
I was raised in a Catholic family, so JFK was like a saint. I was 10, and November 22 was may mother’s birthday and I remember it like it was yesterday.
All of my aunts and uncles gathered at our house, glued to the TV, for practically the entire weekend; it was like a wake, with sporadic fits of crying. I saw Ruby shoot Oswald live. Pretty intense stuff for a 10 year old.
JFK was an avid cold warrior, a tax cutter and had a belief that the U.S. was truly the last best hope for mankind. He was conservative when held up against contemporary Democrats; I think he would be apalled at the depths to which the Democratic party had sunk.
Yes, he was inexperienced and made some ghastly mistakes (Bay of Pigs, etc.), but he was clearly on his country’s side – something that is not so clear in the case of the current administration.
As for his assasination, I believe Oswald acted alone. I’ve read too much on the subject to think otherwise. It’s hard to believe that a lone nut can effect can change the course of history as Oswald did, but it happens all of the time.
As for Ruby, I think what he did was just a spur of the moment decision, based on emotionalism. Back in those days, it wasn’t that hard to carry guns anywhere you wanted to. He was a local thug who knew a lot of cops, and he just walked in there and the rest is history. There was no security in ’63 like there would be today and Ruby probably carried that gun wherever he went.
Additionally, he was a dog lover and he had his beloved Dachsund in the car with hiim at the time, and left the dog in the car when he went inside. This is not the action of a man who had planned this thing out.
Lastly, as has been said before, JFK, for all of his personal faults, was the last Democratic president that was worth a damn and in a lot of ways, the party died with him. Some say he was a “great president”. He wasn’t, he simply didn’t have time (less than 3 years) to achieve greatness. He was, however, the end of principled Democrat Presidents and that loss profoundly effects us all to this very day.
Speranza wrote:
Nixon was NOT a conservative, by any standard. He created the EPA, grew the bureaocracy and literally surrendered in VietNam thus insuring the slaughter of millions in SE Asia. He was a self-consumed POS who inflicted not only damage to his country, but to his party.
As a Republican, I disowned him a long time ago.
Good Morning folks,
I bet Kennedy is turning over in his grave at what Zero is doing to this country.
@ MacDuff:
I wss being sarcastic. Just because the Left hates you does not make you a conservative – George W. Bush, Joe Lieberaman, LBJ and Richard E. Nixon could tell you that (he last two if they were still alive).
chickadee wrote:
I wonder if he had lived if JFK would have moved (like his two younger brothers to the left).
@ MacDuff:
He also funded LBJs ‘great society’.
@ MacDuff:
Nixon did not surrender in Vietnam – congress did. He was not in the White House in 1975. Nixon also gave us Affirmative Action (with The Philadelphia Plan).
George W. Milhous Bush
I watched a show on JFK a whiles back and was surprized that he had to have a a bag of narcotics with him at all times. he was said to be in constant pain from his back injury in WW11.
mawskrat wrote:
He also suffered from Addison’s Disease.
To expand on my comments on Nixon:
He was an Eisenhower Republican. Does anyone really remember what Eisenhower DID as President? Well, he fought the Korean War (to a stalemate, after the loss of tens of thousands of American Lives), and he coined the term “the military-industrial complex”. He was a great general, but a lousy president and, after his military career, he made a pretty sharp Left turn.
Nixon was no more than an echo of Eisenhower, only Ike at least got a stalemate in Korea while Nixon settled for defeat in Vietnam. POS.
@ MacDuff:
Eisenhower though persoanally conservative, ws no political conservative. I am amazed that people think that Eisenhower was a conservative president. His “military industrial complex” speech did grave damage to this country and has been co-opted by the Left. He also fucked up Suez and his attitude towards the Hungarian Revolution was pathetic and reeked of appeasement. He was an overrated general too – Grant was his superior by far.
Speranza wrote:
I know you were – I wasn’t going off on you
I just have a visceral hatred of Nixon and what he did to our country, and I hate that he had an “R” behind his name.
@ Speranza:
I did not know that.
@ MacDuff:
When he won reelection in 1972 – he did not give a damn about bringing more Republicans into congress. It was strictly a personal victory for him as he was interested only in gaining as wide a landslide as possible. He did not allocate more money to help fellow Republicans. He never care about helping the rest of the party
mawskrat wrote:
Hey here we fact check things unlike another blog.
@ vagabond trader:
I just logged back on and my old one is up. I better head on over to word press and see if my new one was flagged by some self appointed commissar.
Speranza wrote:
It seems that modern generals, when they leave the service and enter the political ring, become liberals, no matter what party they’re in; Colin Powell is a prime example.
Had Patton lived, he would likely had been the exception. He was a tough SOB to his core.
JFK and Addison’s disease.
Let’s no forget Wesley Clark. It seems that Generals want to shed the General Jack D. Ripper image from “Dr. Strangelove”!
That video is horrifying. His head blows up like a water melon right in her face.
Speranza wrote:
I need to find a copy of that. Good lead.
@ MacDuff:
It seems that modern generals, when they leave the service and enter the political ring, become liberals, no matter what party they’re in; Colin Powell is a prime example
High ranking officers are pretty political while on active duty, that’s hpow they got there.
Lot’s of political correctness too, witness the rush to cover their tracks after Fort Hood & warn about an anti-Muslim backlash.
@ Scott Madsen:
No nannys, somehow it just jumped back on its own
@ MacDuff:
His racial views on Jews were not much different from the Nazis although he was not a genocidist.
His Diaries and Official Actions Reveal that the General was Deeply Anti-Semitic
vagabond trader wrote:
Zero hates on da kittehs!
I wonder if he pets ‘his’ dog?
Scott Madsen wrote:
The dog is a prop to make he & Michelle look like Ozzie & Harriet.
Bo is being held prisoner. Free Bo! No justice , no peace!
Good morning, y’all!
@ Speranza:
Thanxs for the link. I didn’t know this and it is disturbing.
@ Speranza:
Ugh. Well, I stand corrected.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
Good morning, Goddess.
chickadee wrote:
R. Lee Ermey on history channel shoots water melons and such on his show. It reminds me of that film clip for some reason
MacDuff wrote:
Disappointing, isn’t it?
@ RIX:
{RIX}
President Kennedy was assassinated four months before I was born. I do remember my parents taking me to see the train carrying Bobby Kennedy’s body to Arlington, although I did not understand that at the time.
CAIR threatens Lewiston, Maine School District
Where’s the left on praying in school now? Oh, that’s right, they’re pussies and cowards.
RIX wrote:
Yes it is. Alas, sometimes it’s best to not examine legends to closely and extrapolate on “what if”.
He was clearly more of an SOB than even I thought.
Has anybody checked out the Swamp this morning?
So unusual, there is an overnight “OCEAN” thread. Fabulous!
The artiste has captured the essence of sky, sand & water with a dramatic shot of a lifeguard tower.
What is the artist trying to tell us? Perhaps he is saying “I am profoundly sophmoric & should have my disposable cameras confiscated.”
MacDuff wrote:
Yeah, an American hero with such a huge flaw.
chickadee wrote:
I have always thought about how that must have haunted her to the end of her days.
Among all terminally ballistic wounds, rifle wounds can be particularly gruesome. That was a 6.5 mm Carcano (A surplus Italian cartridge) and at that range would of impacter at around 2200 feet per second and 1600 footpounds of energy.
For a normal empathizing person, seeing people shot up is not a pleasurable experience under any circumstance. This one of the things that bugs me about Congress and their new hyper-draconian attitude. They will never get their hands dirty and may never experience any such horror if anyone physically resists their tyranny.
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
I was just out of high school when this happened.
It was shocking & hard to get your mind around it.
It was like 9/11 in that everybody remembers what they were doing when they heard the news.
RIX wrote:
I can’t imagine the dog is getting proper care and affection from the Zeros. I too think he is a prop for a prop family. I bet he is looked after by the staff and hopefully they are dog people. I remember when Clinton got Buddy to take the heat off himself and appear to be a caring person. So caring in fact that Buddy got run over by a car when he was still a pup. The problem with the Zeros is they are too needy and narcissistic to even consider the dog as anything but an energy drain because they have no real relationship with it except that it completes the look of a ‘happy family.’
RIX wrote:
Maybe he should write a book: “Banality for Dummies”
@ Scott Madsen:
Forgot to add more context:
, they will never get their hands dirty and may never experience any such horror if anyone physically resists their tyranny.
http://msunderestimated.com/2009/11/21/snl-obama-jintao-press-conference-in-beijing-video/
Oops, SNL spoofs on Obama
Forgot, CAIR wants the UN to pass anti blashempy laws. I like that idea if they attach anti beheading, anti blow yourself up, anti disfigure women, well…you get the idea. Freakazoids.
RIX wrote:
It was shocking & hard to get your mind around it.
It was like 9/11 in that everybody remembers what they were doing when they heard the news.
Yeah, it was precisely like 9/11 in that respect. They were the only events that stand out so starkly in my memory. I don’t look look forward to a third, but my darkest fear is that there will be another in my lifetime.
@ chickadee: The problem with the Zeros is they are too needy and narcissistic to even consider the dog as anything but an energy drain because they have no real relationship with it except that it completes the look of a ‘happy family.’
They actually had the dog do a sleepover to evaluate the him before they took him in.
After one week, Michelle called the pup crazy.
These are not dog people.
From the don’t believe your lying eyes department.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone in their right mind could watch that video and still claim he (JFK) was shot from “behind.”
@ MacDuff:
Maybe he should write a book: “Banality for Dummies”
The last book that Charles actually had, he had trouble coloring within the lines.
@ chickadee:
Does anyone remember when as a freshman senator this slippery chameleon and his warhorse road into DC. They arrived in a new Flex Fuel compact SUV after having dumped their Chrysler 300 Babby Bentley in ghetto slang)to appeal to their new broader national constituency.
Smoke and Mirrors for the win.
All you old people and the Kennedy worship
Seriously, I’ve never got the Kennedy worship. He almost started WWIII (and lost the showdown), and started Vietnam. For this he is called one of the best presidents in our time? I don’t get it.
@ MacDuff:
Yeah, it was precisely like 9/11 in that respect. They were the only events that stand out so starkly in my memory. I don’t look look forward to a third, but my darkest fear is that there will be another in my lifetime.
Two absolutey terrible events. My guess is that you are right, there will be a third & maybe another.
kansas wrote:
LOL, thanks for posting that. I’m still laughing ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Iron Fist wrote:
That might all be true, but compared to Obama, JFK looks like Churchill. And that ain’t no endorsement of JFK.
RIX wrote:
that was on a report card I had….colors within the lines.lol
///I think that was in 7th grade
@ mawskrat:
that was on a report card I had….colors within the lines.lol
///I think that was in 7th grade
Truth be told, it is not easy to stay in the lines.
See ya.
Ultra-Orthodox political pressure has stalled the construction of a church and a mosque at Ben-Gurion International Airport for the past five years, aviation sources told Haaretz.
This came to light after several clergy members wrote to the Israel Airports Authority, requesting it allow for a church in Terminal 3.
“leave the gun, take the cannoli”–ugh I mean build the Church, screw the Mosque.
@ bar:
I think they explained it away as the ejection of matter forced his head back.
Beside his head being force back, I have always seen the proverbial pink mist expelling backwards indicating frontal impact, and have noticed as much since seeing stills of the Zapruder film in Life magazine during the Warren Commission as a five year old.
According to witnesses, there was ejecta all over the trunk, but the limo was washed down before being loaded and returned post haste to Andrews. Great crime scene management by the USSS on that watch.
bar wrote:
I believe Oswald was the sole gunman and that Kennedy was shot pretty much as the Warren Commision said
congrats it’s a girl
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576197,00.html
Interesting post from Powerline:
Indeed.
@ MacDuff:
Persoanlly i believe any Afgans who side with us as it is pretty clear we are getting ready to cut and run must be either suicidal or already have their exit visa’s stamped to come with us when we bug out.
linoleumknife wrote:
Sounds like my grampa! (but he can talk about ANYTHING!) Sometimes he’s been known to follow me down the driveway when I was backing out~ still talking!
God love’im.
A very respectable attorney friend of mine here in New Orleans, who is 100% conservative, says there is no doubt at all the CIA did this. He knew Garrison, and knew of Clay Shaw, Oswald. Oswald was set up. He was yesterday’s version of a lefty tool.
Clay was a sleaze and was involved with every shady character in the city.
And, just in the way Sarah Palin has been smeared by her enemies, Garrison was smeared in the same way. My friend Earl knew Mrs. Garrison and said if any of the rumors about Jim were true, she would have left him in a second. She was a woman who didn’t put up with shit.
Earl also said, the mafia was not a major player, too many of them squeal and would have by now. Cuba, too much to loose. Johnson might have known something was going on, but wasn’t involved. The only organization with motive and with the ability to get rid of all evidence, is the cia. JKF was going to mess things up for their agendas in the weapons industry. Earl said it was as simple as always, money and power.
Anyone who believes the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories is a victim of one of the slickest propaganda/PR jobs in modern times.
The assassin was an unstable mama’s boy who was a devout Communist, an admirer of Fidel Castro and the Soviet System. After being nudged out of the Marines, he defected to the Soviet Union, where he married a Russian girl, Marina. Like the Marines, the Soviets discovered that Oswald had a screw loose, and more or less evicted him from the USSR, with his wife in tow. Upon his return to the USA, he became involved with pro-Castro activities, such as the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. Less than a week before the Kennedy assassination, Oswald attempted a drive-by shooting of General Walton Walters, described in the media as “right-wing.” Fortunately, Walters was in his house at the time, so only the house got shot up.
When it was revealed who and what the assassin was, the Left panicked. As lefty writer Todd Gitlin noted, the Left was appalled that “one of their own” had done the deed. After a few days milling around, they united to fix the blame on their archenemy, the CIA. Lefty writer Mark Lane came out with a book a few months later called “Rush to Judgment” which delineated the Party Line.
Within a year, a whole foofaraw involving the CIA, the Mafia, 3-7 CIA agents firing from the Grassy Knoll, the FBI, the military-industrial complex, the Lost Chord and the Easter Bunny, had been confected and swallowed whole by a majority of the American People.
I was 22 years old at the time, living and working in New York, and followed these events carefully, from the moment around 1 pm when the manager of the coffee shop where I was lunching let out yell, and turned up the radio which was broadcasting the bulletin from Dallas that the president had been shot, to its consequences.
Nevergiveup wrote:
I would agree. The tragedy of the history of the last 30-40 years is the loss of American credibility. One administration gives their word and another breaks it.
Obama, during the campaign, said that Afghanistan was “a priority”, now, not so much. I am certain that many Afghans were heartened by “Campaign Obama” and are now looking at “President Obama” and saying “WTF?”.
I’m also sure that’s true of our own troops who have been left twisting in the wind while their Commander in Chief takes nearly a year to see where that wind is blowing!
The leadership vacuum in this White House is astounding and deeply troubling.
@ MacDuff:
Yup
Rare Charles Darwin Book Found on Toilet Bookshelf
Sunday, November 22, 2009
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LONDON — An auction house says it is selling a rare first edition of Charles Darwin’s “On the Origin of Species” found in a family’s guest lavatory in southern England.
Christie’s auction house said Sunday the book — one of around 1,250 copies first printed in 1859 — had been on a toilet bookshelf at a family’s home in Oxford.
The book will be auctioned on Tuesday — the 150th anniversary of the publication of the famous work. Christie’s said the book is likely to sell for $99,000.
Darwin’s “The Origin of Species” outlined his theory of natural selection — the foundation for the modern understanding of evolution.
Celebrations around the world this year have marked the 200th anniversary of Darwin’s birth.
Maybe they can sell it, but Barnes and Nobles wouldn’t take it back since it was a bathroom book?
@ Scott Madsen:
I also heard the explanation that his back muscles contracted which caused his head and body to defy physics.
@ Nevergiveup:
From what I hear, you cant donate toilet books either. They have been flagged.
Re: JFK Conspiracy Theories
I simply don’t believe them; it would have had to involve too many people and, after 46 years, someone would have come forth with indesputable evidence. To date, no one has, and it they still remain “theories”.
That fact, in itself, makes me think it happened as history says it happended.
@ MacDuff:
That fact, in itself, makes me think it happened as history says it happended.
Yeah, imo JFK was assainated by a lone shooter.
There was noone behind the “Grassy knoll.”
What perplexes me is what were Oswald’s motives?
Don’t get me wrong. The conspiracies I don’t necessarily buy into.
Its what my own eyes tell me when I watch the Zapruder film and the “magic bullet theory” is the biggest crock of shit, I have ever heard.
RIX wrote:
I think it could have been as simple as the John Lennon shooter; the attempt of a very small man trying to become a very big man with one act.
Sadly, in terms of history, they both succeeded.
@ RIX:
I’m in the “lone shooter” camp myself. It’s probably the most investigated crime in history and the only “evidence” of a conspiracy requires a spaghetti bowl of “connections” between various people/institutions. None of those supposed connections/intertwined motives have ever been borne out by the facts or acknowledged by any of the supposed conspirators. People have a natural tendency to think that people who are larger than life (JFK, Princess Di, Elvis, etc…) can’t die for the same mundane reasons as us normal folks.
@ MacDuff:
I think it could have been as simple as the John Lennon shooter; the attempt of a very small man trying to become a very big man with one act.
Sadly, in terms of history, they both succeeded.
It could just be as simple as that, but I would like to have had Oswald in a court of law, explain his motives.
RIX wrote:
One thing that’s forgotten today, in the wake of the canonization of JFK and his recasting as a liberal, anti-war martyr, is that in real life, prior to 11/22/63 is that JFK, was hated by the Left. I mean hated. I remember being trapped on a staircase in college while some college commie harangued me about JFK and all the Kennedys being “flaming fascists”. JFK’s foreign policy had a lot to do with this, but RFK’s work with Senator Joseph McCarthy investigating and holding hearings on Communist penetration of the government didn’t help, nor did old Joe Kennedy’s admiration for Hitler in the 1930′s, and his being fired from his ambassadorship by FDR provide much inspiration for Liberals. It is easy to see how a nutjob like Oswald could get himself worked up about the Kennedy Administration’s trying to unhorse Fidel, and decide to do something about it.
@ Lincolntf:
I’m in the “lone shooter” camp myself.
It was a lone shooter. If the Libs could place Bush behind the Grassy Knoll, they would though.
@ Gypsy:
inspiration for Liberals. It is easy to see how a nutjob like Oswald could get himself worked up about the Kennedy Administration’s trying to unhorse Fidel, and decide to do something about it.
That’s what I have always thought. It seems to me that Oswald was avenging the CIA attempt to assisinate Castro.
P.S. Correction! In my first rant, the guy Oswald was trying to drive-by shoot was Gen. Walton Walker not Walters. (I think I was conflating him with Gen. Vernon Walters, an entirely different indivdual.)
@ RIX:
I read a few books on the topic back in high school/college and it’s kind of morbidly “fun” to imagine all of the possibilities behind his assassination. None of the theories ever really held up, though. Not too long ago (a few years) I heard that another book was coming out (perhaps by Bugliosi? sp?) that reexamined all of the previous books/the hearings, etc. Never got around to picking it up, though. Maybe I’ll give it a read this winter.
@ Lincolntf:
I think that Oswald was just an unhinged , lone shooter. I just wanted his testimony, it’s like a gap in the story.
entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
KISS
RIX wrote:
Ditto! I believe that with something like the Kennedy assassination, Occam’s Razor (i.e. the simplest, most direct explanation) works best.
@ Gypsy:
In addition, Kennedy was by no means assured of reelection and was sagging in the polls. Dallas was a campaign trip.
I saw JFK that morning, he was coming from the breakfast meeting in Fort Worth, on his way to Carswell AFB to make the hop to Dallas. We had walked from school to the highway to watch the motorcade pass by. As I recall, Kennedy stopped when he saw Monsignor McCollough (he was a big man, wearing his cassock and biretta with a black tuft ) and spoke to him for a few moments before proceeding on. I was in the second grade at St. Paul’s Catholic school and was standing right next to the Monsignor at the time. Shortly after we had returned to class the announcement came over the public address system, needless to say, we were all in a state of shock and disbelief at that point.
I also saw RFK about a month before he was killed, we were returning to Texas from North Dakota after dad retired from the USAF. We were stopped at an intersection, passing through Kansas when his campaign motorcade passed right in front of us.
A few years ago I came to the conclusion Oswald acted alone. The media had to push the conspiracy theories because they refused to accept that a lone leftist nutcase could have done such a thing, it just had to be some kind of right wing plot.
@ Gypsy:
yup.
mawskrat wrote:
Gypsy wrote:
yeh what you said.lol
You want a conspiracy theory?
All of the JFK theories are put forth to turn the assassin from a gun-toting left wing communist into a gun toting religious right-wing pawn of the Masonic Lodge.
//(Only a little sarc)@ Bordm:
Sorry, I missed that comment.
@ Speranza:
Unfortunately, the “Patton was a jew hater and Nazi lover” narrative is 90% BS and depends almost entirely on taking statements of a man well know for speaking without thinking through every word (unthinkable in an officer these days) out of context and without making the slightest attempt at understanding what he actually meant.
He may have been an anti-Semite, sadly then as now, a not entirely uncommon failing, but his distaste for DP’s seems mostly to stem from his not wanting to be stuck in the position and the complete lack of cooperation, including out and out riots, from the refugees under his authority (not all or even most of whom were Jews IIRC).
Nor did he waste any love on the Nazis who, he made very clear on numerous occasions, he despised.
I think one thing the conspiracy buffs love to forget is that the longest shot Oswald took was only 85 yard on a target moving almost directly away from him at only a few miles an hour.
Anyone with even passing familiarity with firearms could have made those shots without too much trouble.
That a man trained by the Marines made them should surprise absolutely no one.
RIX wrote:
The swamp has been more vile then usual. I’ve a hard enough time going over there for the “train wreck” viewing experience.
Iron Fist wrote:
Nobody here is calling him one of the best presidents of our time so I do not know where you are getting that. He was a deeply flawed president however compared to the Democratic candidates that came after him (McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, Obama) – he looks good.
@ Rule303:
Do the research on your own, Patton was a an anti-semite.
@ Nevergiveup:
I have no problems with a Church but a Mosque? F*** that!
@ Rule303:
Patton although capable of kindness and appreciation to individual Jews, was a first class Jew hater.
@ m:
Check your mail, hon
@ Speranza:
I’m talking about the Kennedy worship that we see in daily life. The Camelot bullshit, all the fawning references, even the amazingly generous treatment of Ted Kennedy when he finally croaked. Kennedy is consistantly ranked very highly. In truth, he should be in the bottom third. Yes, Obama makes him look good but I’d be a good President compared to Obama.
@ BenZacharia:
Actually, I have, in all kindness might I suggest you do the same?
I’ve been a history buff since I was ten years old. I’ve read literally thousands of WWII histories and at least a dozen on Patton himself, including his diaries and a few very unflattering (read “hit”) pieces during the intervening years.
Patton may have been a garden variety anti-Semite (huh, thought I said that) but nothing more.
@ Iron Fist:
Oh shoot! I checked right before you sent that, and then wasn’t able to get back on last night!
Wanna do a Sunday?
Rule303 wrote:
They are all ‘garden variety’ ie slugs.
Go patronize someone else sonny.
Speranza wrote:
Hell, when compared to that group he was Churchillian (though I think that Nevergiveup already made that point).
BenZacharia wrote:
The Jews left at Mauthausen in 1945 probably didn’t feel too ‘patronized’. Actions speak louder than words.
BenZacharia wrote:
What you fail to understand, and as I attempted to note, antisemitism was very common during Patton’s time. It infected even otherwise good, intelligent, and charitable people. Unfortunate but absolutely true.
However it is a huge leap of pure imagination to say that because Patton was antisemetic he mistreated the DPs or that he sympathized with the Nazis.
BTW: “Go patronize someone else sonny.” Think about it
Iron Fist wrote:
The term “Camelot” only came out after his death thanks to Jackie and Theodore White (who later regretted using that phrase). During his lifetime his administration was referred to as “The New Frontier”. Don’t forget that his attorney general (who was his own brother – talk about a conflict of interest!)wiretapped martin Luther King.
@ m:
Sure!
And happy birthday! Every one above ground is good
{M}