At an interfaith gathering in Nashville Tennassee, a Rabbi Falcon received a hug from the local Islamic Center.
As mentioned before, a project I am undertaking with Blogmocracy is a dictionary. The goal of the dictionary is to show how words have been abused and desecrated, and then to reintroduce the words back into the English language.
This is a word that progressives love to bandy around: “dialogue.” And the New York Times is no exception. Check out this news story (hat tip – Debbie Schlussel):
They call themselves the “interfaith amigos.” And while they do sometimes seem more like a stand-up comedy team than a trio of clergymen, they know they have a serious burden in making a case for interfaith understanding in a country reeling after a Muslim Army officer at Fort Hood, Tex., was charged with opening fire on his fellow soldiers, killing 13.
“It arouses once again fear, distrust and doubt,” Sheik Rahman said, “and I know that when that happens, even the best of people cannot think clearly.” . . .
They began to meet weekly for spiritual direction, combining mutual support with theological reflection. Their families became acquainted over meals. They started an AM radio show, and they traveled together to Israel and the occupied territories. Recently, they wrote a book, “Getting to the Heart of Interfaith.”
At one point, the rabbi read a line the sheik had written about the security wall in Israel and announced, “If that line is in the book, I’m not in the book.” After vigorous discussion, Sheik Rahman rewrote the line in a way that both men felt was respectful of their principles.
But what exactly does it mean to “all get along”? Is it, as this article implies, simply a heavy dose of kumbaya?
CAIR has an office of “interfaith dialogue.” The Saudi king launched an “interfaith dialogue” in Madrid (Israelis were banned and Neturei Karta were allowed, of course). Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched an “interfaith dialogue” with Mennanites and Quakers.
On the other hand, Seeds of Peace has its own “dialogue” between Israelis and ‘Palestinians.’ Of course, its most famous graduates are Adam Shapiro and Huwaida Aarraf…who went on to form the Hamas-linked International Solidarity Movement.
The Pope launched his own “dialogue” as well, welcoming in numerous Islamic leaders.
And lastly and most importantly, we have our “dialogian in chief,” Barack Obama. He called for “dialogue” in his Cairo “speech to the Islamic world,” and is launching a fruitless “dialogue” with Iran.
Through it all, it appears this “dialogue” is one way. The actual definition of dialogue is to have a give and take – an exchange of ideas. There thus should be some sign – even if a small one – that both sides are willing to listen to what the other has to say.
This is dangerous in two respects: (a) What if the “other side” is an Islamist, and “listening to what they have to say” means listening to, and paying heed to, Islamist propaganda?; (b) What if the “other side” does not listen to what YOU have to say? At what point does it make sense to stop speaking?
Lest we forget, Muslim Mafia outlines how CAIR and other Islamist groups are actually using “dialogue” as a tool for their propaganda. To what extent did “dialogue” and discussions help stop Nazi Germany? And if that did not help, why is it always “evident” that talking is always useful?
It is apparent, based on what I have shown, that “dialogue” to the progressives has been defined as a tool to sit around and say kumbaya, while conceding the store. There is little to no background checks on these “dialogians,” and one such “chief dialogian” is Tariq Ramadan, an outright Islamist.
I urge Blogmocracy netizens to use the proper definition of “dialogue,” which is an open and frank discussion, including a give and take of ideas. “Dialogue” does not necessarily lead anywhere, and should not be seen as some holy grail, and an achievement in and of itself.
I myself have personally sat in on a “dialogue” session between Jews and Muslims, and I was disheartened by what I saw: it was essentially a “blame the Jew” session.
This term “dialogue” is neither good nor bad, as “dialogue” is not always warranted. It is time that world leaders become realistic about what “dialogue” actually means, and start to implement it only when it is warranted.
Tags: dialogue, dictionary, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Muslim Mafia, Saudi Arabia, Seeds of Peace, Tariq Ramadan, The Pope
some body else can have row one seat one
Dialogue is not an end, but a means. If one side has nefarious ends, dialogue will not diminish that fact and the ends will render the means worthless.
seems muslims can’t get along with witches
TV Presenter On Death Row For Witchcraft….can’t we all just get along
@ MacDuff:
That is exactly right!
I will continue to chronicle words to be redefined!
The Imperialist Agent looks like he’s about to stick a dagger in the Rabbi’s back.
@ Rodan:
LOL, I did not see it that way, but I can see now what you refer to!
Isn’t there actually an Islamic term for “making peace with your enemy so you can screw him later”?
@ MacDuff:
Yeah, its called “Interfaith Dialoge”…
@ MikeA:
I’m sick of this interfaith crap. There is nothing to discuss with the Imperialists. As Catholic I’m sick of the Pope even talking with these savages. The time for talking is over. It’s time to stand up to the Arabist-Islamic Empire.
The essence of whether a dialogue is productive or not boils down to the good faith of those participating in it.
The Left has turned bad faith into an art form and is thus useless in engaging in with dialogue.
Radical Islamics also argue out of bad faith with their religious zealotry demanding that the arguments be made in bad faith – all in the cause of serving Allah.
I guess what I’m saying is that dialogue with either of those entities has been destroyed. By them. And if you can’t talk there’s only one course of action that remains.
Dialog is like compromise. Both sides are supposed to benefit from it. that isn’t happening vis a vis the Mohammedans. We have pleanty of Mosques around the United States, Israel, hell, the whole world. How many Christian Churches are there in Mecca? How many synagogs? How many Buddhist and Hindu temples?
Am I making my point clear? All over the world in Mohammedan lands the Mohammedans kill, enslave, or drive out all those of other faiths. And it isn’t just “Mohammedan” lands (which were all something else two thousand years ago, but I digress). They do it everywhere they are allowed to have equal rights and dignity as soon as they have the numbers to start pushing.
I have said this since 9-11, we can have peace with the Mohammedans when they lay the cornerstone to the first synagog next to the First Baptist Church of Mecca and not a day before. Until then we should fight them with no mercy and no quarter until war becomes so terrible for them that they freely choose to change their ways.
Or until we run out of them. Problem solved, either way.
@ Rodan:
I agree. There is no “common ground” with these people. They can’t be at peace with anyone who does not believe what they do. History tells us that.
@ Iron Fist:
Totally agreed!!!
@ MacDuff:
The word you’re thinking of is hudna.
@ MacDuff:
Hudna is the word you are looking for. Peace with the Mohammedan is kind of like saying “Nice doggy” while looking for a rock…
Obama’s Approval Slide Finds Whites Down to 39%
Since the start of his presidency, U.S. President Barack Obama’s approval rating has declined more among non-Hispanic whites than among nonwhites, and now, fewer than 4 in 10 whites approve of the job Obama is doing as president.
Not too long ago there was a “dialogue” between Christians and Muslims. Like all “interfaith Dialogue” with Muslims, the entire conversation went one way. Ultimately, the Muslims suggested that all they want is peace with the Chrisitians and if the Christian community were to not longer emphasize the trinity as a teaching, but instead concentrate on Jesus as a Prophet of G-d only, that this would go a long way to “mutual understanding” and “peace”.
Like most “dialogue” between Muslims and non-Muslims, the Christians in this case were coming to the meeting from a place of ignorance, and naivety regarding Islam.
What the Muslims didn’t inform the Christians was that this suggestion was actually a “come to Islam” request as proscribed by the Koran, before forced conversion or war. Furthermore, this seemingly pro-peace suggestion/middle ground, is firmly placed within Islamic doctrine. At its purist, the greatest grudge against Christianity from an Islamic perspective (ie: that which makes them not Muslims – ie: those who are true to the Word of G-d) is that they have “made gods out of G-d” through the use of the trinity.
Accordingly, if the Christians were to eliminate the trinity from their teachings, they would actually be seen as Muslims (believers of G-d’s word to the Christians) and thus the “final revelation” of the Koran wouldn’t have been necessary to cure the “mistake” of the Christians.
In other words, the “peace gesture” and “dialogue” was intended to cure the “problem” Islam has with Christianity and thus make Christianity ok with Islam.
Of course, the wide eyed Christians (in this example) didn’t know this. This is what Islam depends on.
One must remember (and usually doesn’t) when dealing with “dialogue” with Islam is that they accept Jesus and Moses as prophets. Thus, when they offer to accept Jesus -claiming this is similar to Christians – they are offering nothing. Their Jesus was a Muslim. Their offer to incorporate Christian beliefs, or accept some tenants, is an offer to follow Islam.
One should understand Islam before trying to “dialogue” with them. You wouldn’t go into a business deal without knowing the product the other is selling – would you?
@ Iron Fist:
I am thinking more of looking for the AR-15 or Desert Eagle
why make a deal with Muslims…it can only last for ten years or untill they feel you have broken it.
hudna my ass
@ MacDuff:
Yes there is, but I cannot recall what it is.
Maybe this link will have the term:
Deception in Islam
@ Rodan:
The Pope is “dialoguing,” and yet, as Iron Fist said, how many mosques are in Italy? How many churches in Saudi Arabia? Enough said!
This is a total waste of time, and the Pope looks like a kumbaya-nik in his “dialogue.”
Guggi wrote:
I wonder how many of those assfaces voted for him? Saying “I told you so” just doesn’t seem to comfort me much.
@ MikeA:
it is a paraphrase from Will Rogers. He was talking about diplomacy, but peace treaties with the Mohammedans are the same way, except that they are also looking for a rock…
CloudyDay wrote:
yes it’s called hudnamawskrat wrote:
Civilizations, nations and empires that have tried to destroy the Jewish People
@ WrathofG-d:
Totally agreed, 100%!!!
I love what you have to say!
I have often been astounded at what is said in “dialogue sessions.”
As I said, I attended a Jewish-Muslim “dialogue,” which was little more than “blame the Jew.”
And except for me and the friend I was with – Jews bit in – hook, line, and sinker.
LOL Dialogue with those who feel superior and entitled gets you where?
Ex-ambassador gives Obama an ‘F’
President Barack Obama gets an “F” for his initial effort to promote peace between Israelis and Palestinians, a former U.S. ambassador to Israel said Tuesday.
Martin Indyk, ambassador to Israel under President Bill Clinton, told an Omaha audience the current president is trying hard to re-ignite diplomacy in the Middle East — trying, in fact, much harder than former President George W. Bush did.
But, he said, the growing mistrust between Israelis and Palestinians, the meddling influence of Iran, the Bush administration’s neglect and the Obama administration’s missteps have worsened the situation in the past year.
“It’s clear that things are not going as he planned,” Indyk said.
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Muslims will call for a hudna when they are weak and when they are strong again they will break it
hudna =temperary peace
Obama Will Go to Copenhagen
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The administration has resisted until now delivering a firm pledge on emissions reductions because Congress has not yet acted on global warming legislation. But officials said this week that Mr. Obama was prepared to offer a tentative figure based on the work completed in Congress so far.
In June, the House passed a bill calling for greenhouse gas reductions of 17 percent below 2005 levels. Last month, a Senate committee passed a measure calling for a 20 percent cut, but that is expected to be weakened as the legislation moves through other Senate committees and onto the floor, perhaps next spring.
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@ Delectable:
To the Islamists, “dialogue” is just another arrow in their quiver to be used against us. The list of “Enemies of Islam” is long (Jews, Christians, Hindus, Athiests, Barbers, women without sacks on their head, people who bathe, etc.) The fact is, they can’t even get along with differing Islamic sects.
I can’t think of a single group that these Mohammedan malcontents have actually made peace with. Israel has been talking to them for 60 years and the death toll continues to rise, and Israel continues to shrink.
The impetus of “dialogue” is good faith in your opponent; without that, it’s like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Maybe if we brought a Hellfire missle to the gunfight it would put them in a mood to talk, but I doubt it.
@ WrathofG-d:
You got it!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG, you nailed it, they want us to give up our concept of God and embrace theirs. That would make us Muslims at that point! They basically want us to become them. That’s not dialogue, it’s asking for us to give up.
@ mawskrat:
Ah, okay. Sorry, I didn’t read through the entire thread before posting (obviously). So it’s “Hudna.”
I heard the term a few times on a documentary about Islam years ago but had forgotten what it was.
I don’t trust any of them, hows that for straight forward dialogue.
@ Delectable:
Look at the Dialogue with Israel. It’s all about Israel giving up land or freezing settlements. In return they get “Peace”. It’s all one way.
Rodan wrote:
It’s identical to the Democrats’ definition of “bipartsanship”.
Rodan wrote:
according to Muslims we are all born Muslim we just turn away from it so the term is revert for one who changes back
This whole “interfaith” garbage is just that, garbage. The Tony Blair foundation is big on this and it’s designed to push the world to a one world religion through globalization.
@ Rodan:
If that were actually true, it might be worth doing.
What Israel actually gets in return for concessions is demands for more concessions.
Neville Chamberlain could not be reached for comment.
@ MacDuff:
Shhh! that’s a secret! The Republicans haven’t caught on to that yet. Just look at the way McCain ran his campaign last year…
When I see a rattlesnake, a black widow spider or a scorpion, I don’t dialogue with them: I kill them.
So why would we want to have a dialogue with the Palestinians or any of the Islamic Imperialistic Colonists?
@ WrathofG-d:
I wonder how they’d react to the Oneness Pentecostals (I am not one myself).
Then you have Christians who believe in something called modalism (I’m not one of those, either).
Delectable wrote:
Its all about ignorance of what the Koran (and the Hadiths) actually say. To paraphrase another quote: Jews & Christians having peace centered decent religions assume that other religions are similarly decent. This is not completely the case with Islam – but good luck telling a Christian or Jewish peacenik that.
As was stated above, what religion doesn’t allow someone of any other religion to enter their holy cities? Islam. What religion makes it illegal to practice any other religion where they hold power? Islam. What religions is constantly expanding by force, and by doing so subjegates those within their countries who aren’t of their religion? Islam.
There is a lot of ground to cover between Islam and non-Muslims, but we all are NOT on the same level here.
The difficulty is educating on Islam. Unfortuantly because of the nature of much of the Koran, any actual truthful teaching on Islam will be considered hate speech. This is not because of the educator but because of Islam itself.
The entire central thesis of Islam is that the Jews and Christians have offended G-d, and it is the role of Islam to finally correct the mess by getting these “sinner” to submit to Allah – either by agreement, or by force if necessary. Islam sees itself as the clean-up crew. Unlike Christianity, and Judaism who also believe it is their job to fix the world, Islam sees other religions as the problem, not other’s actions. Islam (unlike the other Monotheistic religions) does not accept other religions to do their thing, because it is the “doing their own things” (as far as Islam is concerned) that IS the problem.
In the end, it all comes down to education – READ THE KORAN.
@ Iron Fist:
Then when people like me and you point it there is no Bi-Partisanship, we get called extremists. The Compassionate Conservative Crowd hate us even more then they dislike Progressives.
@ mawskrat:
I never worshipped their moon devil. Not when I was a kid, not now, and certainly not before I was born. And I will die before I bow to their demonic blood god.
@ Rodan:
You couldn’t prove to me that they dislike Progressives. it looks to me like they’ll practically sit up and beg for a pat on the head from a Progressive. look at McCain’s lame campaign last time. The only thing he did right was pick Palin.
father_of_10 wrote:
I usually play with them for a while before I kill them. Maybe I should give up the compromise in this area of my life?///
@ Iron Fist:
I stand corrected, they attack us to receive approval from the Progressives. The other day I was called an Extremist because I said we need to purge Saudi influence from our government and go after the collaborators. I was called a Fascist, anti-Semite and a nut. Go figure!
Jews gotta look out for those talking stones and trees
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
at least ya’ll have one tree that likes you
@ Iron Fist:
Amen brother
Good post, nicely illustrating the one-two punch of progressivism & Islam. Progressives in control of the media & other institutions paint dialogue as an end in itself, creating an opening the canny Muslims are perfectly happy to exploit. See also Iran, of course.
But no such “dialogue” by these Libs will be forthcoming with conservatives and evangelicals. No sirrreeee. Instead they offer insults and attempts to censor.
@ Rodan:
when they can’t win the arguement on the merits (which is most, if not all the time) the Progs resort to name-calling and invective. It is all they’ve got, really. If you can take getting called a racist homophobe who hates puppys and kittys then you can pretty well deal with everything the Progs have.
Well, as long as you have no skeletons in your closet, or, for that matter anything else they can go at you with (I thought that going after Palin through Trig was the lowest fucking thing I’ve ever seen in politics ever).
oh well, they can hate me all they want. I’ll just hate them back. We should do everything we can to utterly crush the Progs, drive them from the arena of political thought, and banish them to the ass-heap of history.
@ Rodan:
Like what they mean by cease-fire. Cease-fire = you disarm and we still attack you.
@ WrathofG-d:
Islam is the height of intolerance, imperialism, and aggression.
But good luck convincing a “liberal” that non-western institutions could have those traits!
Sura[3:54] They plotted and schemed, but so did Allah, and Allah is the best schemer.
they even admit that allah is a fraud
@ vapig:
Yup that’s what they do with Israel all the time.
Boss just kicked me out.
Happy Thanksgiving, all!
@ mawskrat:
But if I see any of those trees, and they are real quiet, I would know what is going on anyway.
Chuckles used to call this the Leftwing-Islamist convergence. I can only guess what he thinks of it now.
OT. Isn’t this nice? I wonder if O is going to play baby Jesus?
“Peace” in Islamic terms is subjugation of everyone else.
It’s something that we need to remember when Islamists talk about wanting “peace.” Last week, Mahmoud Abbas (the leader of the “Palestinian Authority” who has a PhD in Holocaust Denial and who has been a prominent figure in the murderous PLO for several decades) threatened to make some unilateral moves if Israel doesn’t freeze all settlement construction.
He said, ‘Are we supposed to sit here without peace?’ when asked why he was suggesting unilateral moves rather than negotiating with Israel for a peace agreement.
He wasn’t seeking real peace in his suggestions about unilateral moves but some kind of situation where he might be able to bring Israel down.
“Peace” doesn’t mean the same thing to the Arab world that it means to westerners. It’s a word the Arab world wickedly misuses because it plays well in the west. They’re talking about subjugation.
Hamas has said openly in the past that Jews in particular must be subjugated or killed.
This is why there is no possibility whatsoever that the “Palestinians” will sign any sort of peace deal (ever) that would bring actual peace. They don’t want a state – they only want Israel.
The scam being played out on the word stage against Israel is that when Israel refuses to commit national suicide, it means that Israel doesn’t want “peace.” The reality is that NONE of the demands being made by the Arabs to Israel would bring peace. Not even one.
They are trying to end Israel’s existence through diplomacy.
The western world is complicit in this scam by refusing to face OR to condemn a peace process that will never have any real peace in it.
Other words that need definition:
Peace
Appease
Proof (as opposed to evidence)
Diversity
and one of the hardest I think to nail down because everyone is absolutely sure they understand it:
Fair
Jews should learn as well (as should Christians) from our history with Islam and their “peace agreements”. This especially applies to Islam’s favorite “peace treaty” (then final extermination of the Jews) of Khaibar which Islam, to this day, holds up as the most perfect example of Mohamets ways of making peace -which followed an extermination of the Jewish tribe of Quraiza.
As I stated in another thread here, (which many of you might have missed) entitled “Before Islam, Medina Was Originally A Jewish City” [Which I highly suggest reading, if you haven't already]
They recall as their greatest hope, and sincerest joy to repeat the massacre at Khaybar done by their “pefect man” Mohammad. At Khaybar, after the Jews were forced to flee their homes and villages in Medina, Messengers of Muhammad were sent to the Jews who had escaped to the safety and comfort of Khaibar, “inviting” Usayr, the Jewish “war chief,” to visit Medina for meditations.
The slaughter of Arabian Jews and the expropriation of their property became Allah’s will. This massacre is recalled joyfully in the Koran:
Guillaume reports that the anti-Jewish attack at Khaibar was fiercely fought off, but “though the inhabitants fought more bravely here than elsewhere, outnumbered and caught off their guard, they were defeated.” 19 Those who somehow survived constituted the formula for Islam’s future successes. Some of the Jews, “non-Muslims” or infidels, “retained their land,” at least until Muslims could be recruited in sufficient numbers to replace the Jews. Meanwhile, the Arabian Jews paid a fifty-percent “tribute,” or tax, for the “protection” of the new plunderers. As Professor Lewis writes, “The Muslim victory in Khaibar marked the first contact between the Muslim state and a conquered non-Muslim people and formed the basis for later dealings of the same type.”20
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Rodan wrote:
Jonah Goldberg has a good column on that today at nationalreview.com
Message posted by mawskrat
am I saying some cultures are better than others….you betcha
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the problem is that some think all cultures are equal. below is a response from a non-muslim on a muslim topic board
You’re American, you would!
What you don’t realise is the problem it causes in the rest of the world, when that is the attitude.
The rest of the world has a history and a past, the USA doesn’t it has inherited it from other countries.
Your society didn’t evolve, it was created by many people’s history from all over.
Therefore it can come across as smug when you don’t understand the culture of others!
@ Rodan:
Note the use of “anti-semitism” a term coined to give respectability to Jew hatred, now being applied to those that oppose the biggest Jew haters still around.
@ mawskrat:
when some one says they want to kill you…you better believe them
I would also like to point out that agreement with one Jew, one Christian, or one Muslims does not mean agreement between all of any of those groups.
The exception to the rule proves the exception, not the rule.
Read The Koran!
WrathofG-d wrote:
the sayings of Muhammad [Hidiths] are also an important read
Thanksgiving proclamation text
Thanksgiving proclamation original
Silhouette wrote:
My definition of Justice is when a person experiences the consquences of their actions. Hence, capital punishment is just. Charity to a man beset by ill luck is just, while to a lazy man is not.
Leftists’ so-called social justice means, bascially, wealth and power redistribution on the basis of ethnicity and nationality, never mind what your particular ancestors did or that you actually may have earned your own way, or the ill-effects of getting minorities hooked on the gov’t teat.
There’s a YouTube video that I won’t embed here because it’s too nasty — it’s from the Hamas children’s show called “Pioneers of Tomorrow” where they teach young children to want to commit murder.
Here’s a section of the dialog (with a link below it):
This link is a video of part of the dialog above:
Hamas children show: Other religions were happy under Islam
@ Silhouette:
A fair is a place they give ribbons to prize hogs.
OT: ummm ummm ummm. My lasagna for tomorrow is smelling mighty good.
@ mawskrat:
Can’t have a comment like that without Frank!
The Koran of “peace”
Sura 109
The Text:
“In the name….
Say oh ye UNBELIEVERS!
I worship not that which ye worship,
and ye do not worship that which I worship;
I shall never worship that which ye worship,
Neither will ye worship that which I worship.
To you be your religion; to me my religion.”
This sura is often quoted as an inclusive Sura in Islam, to represent that they will “let it be” and respect other religions. What is often left out (as is usualy when trying to whitewash the Koran) is the context in which this sura was “revealed” and what Mohammad was really trying to say.
The Context (from the footnotes of my Koran):
“This Sura (Sura 109) is said to have been revealed when Walid urged Mohammad to consent that his God should be worshipped at the same time with the old Meccan deities, or alternatively every year. Hishami, p. 79; Tabari, p. 139.
It is a distinct renunciation of Meccan idolatry.”
THUS, this Sura is actually the complete opposite of inclusive. It was a renouncing by Mohammad of a suggestion that he “let it be”, and worship along with others to other gods. When read again in its correct context, Sura 109 clearly evidences that Mohammad was stating that he could not worship along with other religions of the region. He was not saying “each to their own” respectfully, but instead that the other religions were not his religion, will never be, and thus should not be worshipped along side the “true” religion of Islam. Mohammad was refusing to consent to worship Allah at the same time as other religions gods.
Just need to ask, where is Nashville Tennassee?
@ Eliana:
That’s funny, I don’t remember Israel asking Muslims to take over their gov’t with their benign rule recently.
@ Eliana:
Farfur: “1000 blessings of Islam, blessings of the resident of Garden [of Eden]…”
Notice it says resident, not residents?? The only singular residenT was the serpent. Proves my theory that allah is satan.
@ Nikis Knight:
This “Jews never had it better than under Islam” is a very common excuse for Islam actually (you will hear it again).
What they want you to do however is accept that life in slavery is better than no life at all. Yes, this is true, but life as a slave is really no life at all. I imagine that those who use this excuse would not similarly argue that slavery was the best thing to happen to African blacks because it took them out of squatter tents, and brought them to civilization – which is the argument Islam makes about Jews living under Islam.
Besides the Qur’an all three translations, Pickthal, Yusfali & Shakir, the Hadeeth is also important to read, Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are the most respected IIRC.
I believe it is what puts the Qur’an in its proper context.
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle was asked, “What is the best deed?” He replied, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, “What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, “To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah’s Cause.” The questioner again asked, “What is the next (in goodness)?” He replied, “To perform Hajj (Pilgrim age to Mecca) ‘Mubrur, (which is accepted by Allah and is performed with the intention of seeking Allah’s pleasure only and not to show off and without committing a sin and in accordance with the traditions of the Prophet).”
In my opinion this is clearly plagiarized from this Bible passage, written a thousand years or so before the Qur’an.
Compare and contrast those. They both start the same with God being the beginning but then are complete opposites. The Christian is called to love his neighbor while the Moslem is called to kill any and all non-Moslems in the name of his god.
@ Nikis Knight:
Yeah, me neither.
The Islamists act as if non-Muslims (aka infidels) can’t wait to be subjugated by Islam.
Progressives may be looking forward to this, but sane people aren’t.
@ MacDuff:
“Hudna”. Hamas’ truce during which it builds up arms.
@ bar:
Islam is pretty much the result of an illiterate picking up this and that from Judaism and Christianity without a clue as to the theology of either.
Charles isn’t going to like this:
VDH is dissin’ his boy. Can’t have that, now, can we? A total wrecking ball to the Obama Administration’s credibility, that is. Science!
@ NoThreat2U:
good point
@ Iron Fist:
Ah, hell, he even calls van Jones a “truther”. Charles will shit pure gold
@ WrathofG-d:
This is the only kind of life that worldwide Islamic rule has to offer.
It’s a hellish vision of utopia (worse than the hell of Communism).
@ WrathofG-d:
A tiger in the zoo has his meals provided, medical care, and is safe from predators when he gets weak. Slavery is freedom!
Obama in Saudi on Haj during Thanksgiving.
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Religion/?id=3.0.4036802442
What the Vatican’s “interfaith dialogue” has wrought: Islam: First ‘official’ copy of Koran in Italian to be printed in Medina
WrathofG-d wrote:
Well see, I’ve heard the arguement that the Jews had it better under Islam than under Christianity. Certainly this is a gross simplification, as neither group was static or homogenous, but I’d be sadly not surprised if a case could be made the some Christian kings or peoples treated Jews worse than some Muslims ones.
But to say the Jews had it better under Islam than any time in history is just laugh out loud absurd. Especially since the number one worry for many Jews today is whether their nation will be obliterated by Muslims, and that otherwise they are doing as good or better than most any group on earth or in history, I’d wager, in terms of freedom and comfort.
@ Eliana:
Happy under Islam? LOL, OMG that’s why my ancestors fought them for 700 years and the Hindus resisted Islamic invaders. Unreal, the Imperialists are engaged in child abuse.
@ Nikis Knight:
Absolutely.
By the way, the Jewish people’s best time in history (other than living under Jewish rule in the Jewish national homeland) has been in America.
No other country in the world comes anywhere close.
The United States of America has been the best home outside of the Jewish national homeland that Jews have had in 4000 years.
By far!!
@ Nikis Knight:
@ Eliana:
Correct it all depends on time and context. example the Polish Kings protected the Jewish community and they flourished there. Even in kaiser Germany Jews flourished, then we know what came next. The Turks supposedly were good to Jews because after my ancestors being assholes in this case expelled them they gave them refuge. Of course what is not told is that Jewish kids were taken into the Janisaries as were Cjhristians.
My advise to my Jewish friends, make sure you HAVE a HOMELAND of your own so you don’t rely on someone else. This applies to all groups, never be at someone’s mercy. They may be good to you, but their descendants, you never know.
@ Nikis Knight:
Jews had some abilities under Islam that they did not have under Christiandom, but to make the leap to “no better than under Islam” requires one to ignore the overall environment that a Non-muslim is forced to live in under Islam.
Yes, a Jew under Islam was not openly slaughtered constantly as they were under Christiandom at time, but he had to do so as a constant inferior to Islam, couldn’t act as a witness against a Muslim, couldn’t speak back to a muslim, couldn’t argue with a muslim in court (muslim always right against non-muslim), had to wear identifying clothing as Jew….etc, etc, etc.
The book “why I am not a Muslim” by Ibn Wariq dissects this arguments very well.
@ Eliana:
I believe that’s a large part of why we’ve done so well as a nation. But it will change if we try to accomodate Islam or transnational progressivism.
@ Eliana:
I think that’s one of the reasons why this nation has been so blessed.
@ WrathofG-d:
Wanna take you to a Khaybar
Wanna take you to a Khaybar
Khaybar
Khaybar…
—The Electric Six
@ Rodan:
Absolutely.
It’s also why 900,000 Jews living in the Arab lands walked away from nearly everything they owned when an opportunity came to leave around 60 years ago. They left billions of dollars worth of property behind and they were glad to do it to get out from under Islam.
Obama “dialogues” with Saudi Arabia
@ Eliana:
America is where Christians and Jews live in harmony as I am convinced God wants our 2 people to live. That is why we have been blessed as a nation, both his Children are in harmony.
@ WrathofG-d:
Moral of the story Jews need to have a Homeland because you never want to be at some one’s mercy.
That’s my advise to my Jewish friends.
WrathofG-d wrote:
Wrath, “Christiandom” has never been a nation in power, the U.S. was the closest thing to it.
@ davehm:
So do I.
NoThreat2U wrote:
didn’t farfur get killed by a Zionist agent
@ Rodan:
Agreed!
@ Eliana:
Christians back the Jewish claim that it is through Isaac that the lineage is blessed. Islam lies and claims it’s Ishmael. That is something to keep in mind.
@ Eliana:
Bingo!!
Rodan wrote:
yeh they gotta lot of stuff wrong
@ WrathofG-d:
If it is just a matter of ‘being polite’ as some argue, then why didn’t the other guy bow in each of the instances?
@ mawskrat:
They outright lie and claim the Jews lie. Christian acknowledge what the Jews wrote (Torah/Old Testament) as the truth.
@ Rodan:
Yup – and also, many Islamists are now claiming that the Jewish people were never in the Holy Land. They’re saying that the Jewish people have no history in Jerusalem whatsover.
Billions of Christians worldwide say they’re wrong!!
@ Rodan:
Mo claimed that Jews who didn’t like him basically took their red pens to the Torah and scratched out bits that supported his position as a prophet.
The same Jews who venerate the Torah and fastidiously copied every jot and tidle.
When people talk of the “Three great Abrahamic Faiths” in a paen to multiculturalism, remember the only thing Islam took from Judaism is a pastiche of badly interpreted characters and stories and a false claim of legitimacy.
Rodan wrote:
Yes. Instead of arguing which person treats you better when you are in their power, be in your own power.
@ Eliana:
Billions of Christians worldwide
sayknow they’re wrong!!Silhouette wrote:
The best thing you could say about Obama is that he is very naive, and hopes that enough debasing shows of respect will eventually get reciprocity.
Seems to be getting more likely he simply wants to see the nation he leads
humbledhumiliated.@ Nikis Knight:
There is evidence to suggest that Mohammed attempted to convert to Judaism but he couldn’t make it because he was illiterate.
So he had some scribes write down the Torah stories as best as he could remember them without having read them himself (also adding in some stories from Christianity) and the rest is history.
Eliana wrote:
PA judge: Jews have no history in Jerusalem
@ Eliana:
That’s… rather pitiable, actually.
@ mawskrat:
Yet, these Islamists never explain why Jerusalem is known worldwide by its HEBREW name: Jerusalem / Yerushalayim.
‘The city with the Hebrew name has never been Jewish’ – eh, Judge?
By the way, the same people who claim that the Jewish people were never in Jerusalem are the ones who claim that ancient Israeli coins prove that the Jews in Jerusalem / Ancient Israel intended to take over most of the Arab world.
There’s a diagram on some ancient Israelite coins that shows a drawing of land that could be interpreted to be almost anything. They’re claiming that it was meant to show Ancient Israel extending far into the Arab world.
Dialogue: To hit with a log over the head until they die.
@ Eliana:
My, that would have been a crying shame. Imagine a middle east with deep seated concepts of objective morality and work ethic. What a mess it would be!
Guggi wrote:
93% of blacks are still waiting for Obama to give them the white’s money.
@ mawskrat:
What the he11 is a Paleostinian judge?
Make sure the dictionary uses the Eric Holder weasel word “protocol”.
Mr. Holder, how will did you determine that certain terrorists would be tried in New York in civilian court while others would be tried by
military tribunals?
Holder “Well, we applied our protocol.”
Note how the word protocol, appears to be very similar to proctologist whereby anytime Holder speaks we take it up the ass.
Simply put, “dialogue” with Muslims is like dialogue with Goldfinger:
Bond: “Do you expect me talk?”
Goldfinger: “No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!”
vagabond trader wrote:
The party “organ”.
@ MacDuff:
laugh out loud! Too funny.
Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya….
FUCK!
/whatever happened to that video?