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Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’?

by Bob in Breckenridge ( 250 Comments › )
Filed under Progressives at November 27th, 2009 - 9:48 am

I wonder if the washed-up ukelele player/ponytailed douchebag and his dimwitted minions will take the time to read and consider these excellent articles about the AGW HOAX from the London Daily Telegraph and the Wall Street Journal while they’re here stalking us.

But then again, considering the lack of intellect of the imbeciles that post over there, I’d have better luck getting those clueless morons to read something if I provided a link to www.drseuss.com. So, enjoy, all you stalkers from Nancy’s cesspool…And get a life, will you please? Maybe you can ask Santa Charles for one.

“Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more.”

If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka CRU) and released 61 megabytes of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That)

When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”. These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:

Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more.

One of the alleged emails has a gentle gloat over the death in 2004 of John L. Daly (one of the first climate change sceptics, founder of the Still Waiting For Greenhouse site), commenting:

“In an odd way this is cheering news.”

But perhaps the most damaging revelations – the scientific equivalent of the Telegraph’s MPs’ expenses scandal – are those concerning the way Warmist scientists may variously have manipulated or suppressed evidence in order to support their cause.

Here are a few tasters.

Manipulation of evidence:

I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.

Private doubts about whether the world really is heating up:

The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

Suppression of evidence:

Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?

Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis.

Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address.

We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.

Fantasies of violence against prominent Climate Sceptic scientists:

Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I’ll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted.

Attempts to disguise the inconvenient truth of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP):

……Phil and I have recently submitted a paper using about a dozen NH records that fit this category, and many of which are available nearly 2K back–I think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to “contain” the putative “MWP”, even if we don’t yet have a hemispheric mean reconstruction available that far back….

And, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.

“This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the “peer-reviewed literature”. Obviously, they found a solution to that–take over a journal! So what do we do about this? I think we have to stop considering “Climate Research” as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?”

“I will be emailing the journal to tell them I’m having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor.”“It results from this journal having a number of editors. The responsible one for this is a well-known skeptic in NZ. He has let a few papers through by Michaels and Gray in the past. I’ve had words with Hans von Storch about this, but got nowhere. Another thing to discuss in Nice !”

[...]

But to judge by the way – despite the best efforts of the MSM not to report on it – the CRU scandal is spreading like wildfire across the internet, this shabby story represents a blow to the AGW lobby’s credibility from which it is never likely to recover.

Read the rest here

Then there’s this we can only hope for: Climategate e-mails sweep America, may scuttle Barack Obama’s Cap and Trade laws

And this from the Wall Street Journal: “How to Forge a Consensus: The impression left by the Climategate emails is that the global warming game has been rigged from the start.

And from Down Under: Climategate: five Aussie MPs lead the way by resigning in disgust over carbon tax. Australia is leading the revolt against Al Gore’s great big AGW conspiracy.

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250 Responses to “Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’?”
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  1. bar
    1 | November 27, 2009 9:57 am

    The American people need to give all this crappy political bandwagon science like AGW the finger.

    Smileys


  2. exploding toe
    2 | November 27, 2009 9:59 am

    It’s been nothing but collusion, suppression of real data, and out and out lying by the “Gorebal Warming/Cooling/I-don’t-know-what-the-fuck-it-is-but-it-has-to-stop!” Chicken Littles out there. It’s always been about control of the people, plain and simple. March us right back to the Stone Age…except for Gore and his ilk, of course!


  3. Alberta Oil Peon
    3 | November 27, 2009 10:01 am

    I expect that CfnJ will express a new-found love for the Grauniad.


  4. buzzsawmonkey
    4 | November 27, 2009 10:02 am

    Well, there goes my idea for Carb’n'Credit™, the potato-restaurant franchise where everything is transfat-free and cooked with alternate fuels.


  5. 5 | November 27, 2009 10:04 am

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    No CJ will deny and deny. He is delusional claiming he help defeat Hoffman in NY-23.


  6. vagabond trader
    6 | November 27, 2009 10:09 am

    @ bar:

    Hey bar, where are you getting the animations? :-)


  7. snork
    7 | November 27, 2009 10:16 am

    I think you’re a bit optimistic if you think this will close the issue. This shines the sunshine an a relatively small clique dealing primarily with proxy reconstructions, and it throws a pall over the larger group, but there are still many who can and will disassociate themselves. The knife throwing hasn’t even begun, as the ones not implicated start attacking the ones implicated. Jones, Mann and their social network are toast. But I think Hansen and his buds will come out of this with just a few scratches.

    So don’t sell your carbon investments quite yet. This is going to continue to unravel over the coming months.

    I’ve been all over this, and just this morning, I came across what may be the most damning email so far:

    http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/22/what-do-you-make-of-this.html

    Lets let our supporters in higher places use our scientific response to push the broader case against MM. So I look forward to peoples attempts to revise the first par. particular.

    I took the liberty of forwarding the previous draft to a handfull of our closet colleagues,

    So who are their supporters in “higher places”? And who are the “closet colleagues”? Was that a typo, or was Dr. Mann suggesting that there are puppetmasters?

    Stay tuned. This season of “Dallas” is just getting its socks on.


  8. wolfie
    8 | November 27, 2009 10:26 am

    I don’t think it’s a final nail. Far from it. If all of this had really been about science, it would be one thing, but it’s never been about that. The interests, ideology, and religious faith that drive eco-fascism aren’t going to be stopped by mere facts.

    The MSM will happily continue to push the party line. Above all, they will not let their audience see those e-mails, just as CJ won’t let anyone link to them. Nothing to see there!—except obvious manipulation, dishonesty, and political collusion.
    Talk about anti-Science!

    So Gaia’s faithful will carry on their crusade. In the meantime, we must keep pushing this story. It’s not the final nail, but it’s a big one.


  9. bar
    9 | November 27, 2009 10:28 am

    @ vagabond trader:
    These smileys?
    Smileys

    Click the smiley and you will see.


  10. coldwarrior
    10 | November 27, 2009 10:29 am

    i hope this has legs and gets this (a)gw shit out of the policy arena.

    the proggies will try to keep agw alive as a method of gaining even more power and control.

    so far crickets from the msm…it will be interesting to see if this scandal is even spoken of in copenghagen, or will it be the 500 lb gorilla in the room.

    anyway, it gives countries reasons to opt out of any agreement.


  11. bar
    11 | November 27, 2009 10:31 am

    @ bar:

    Use the HTML code for the smileys.

    Smileys


  12. 12 | November 27, 2009 10:34 am

    Charles lost oen of his few allies left!


    35 AJStrata Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:33:34pm replyquote

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    Sorry CJ, this time your avoiding some troubling facts. If you haven’t go look at the code (I know your skilled in this area and you will see how bad this PhD quality code is to real SW that can endanger people). For those of us who stood by you on Rathergate, while your credibility was attacked by folks who don’t know why you made sense, you should realize there are some of us just as insightful and trained to detect bad assumptions, questionable massaging, unfounded theories on global climate.

    The fact is the raw data across the globe (even the CRU raw temps) don’t show runaway global warming. It’s not just the emails (which you have been cherry picking, avoiding the hard ones where people tell others to illegally destroy data). It’s the code with hard coded overwrites. It is the deletion of data that tells a contradictory story, of cutting off the picture when it looks bad.

    Honestly, I thought much higher of you than this.

    BTW, to disagree with global warming does not make you a Palinista or Right winger. They can be right for the wrong reasons. Just like loving you family doesn’t make you an evil right winger – something else they have in common with all of us.

    Whatever your issues forget them and look at the code and the data objectively. And realize Jones, Mann et al were persecuting people with differing theories and opinions. They were the ones acting like right wing purists – not us independents who just happen to be able to detect hundreds of problems with the current theories and the methods they use to hide the full picture.

    Look at the entire picture, no matter how uncomfortable

    [Link: strata-sphere.com...]

    Charles responds very condescending

    37 Charles Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:35:34pm replyquote

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    re: #35 AJStrata

    And I thought much more highly of you too, before learning that you’re a hardcore climate change denier who’s not above distorting and misrepresenting facts.

    AJ now has seen how fake Charles is.


  13. eaglesoars
    13 | November 27, 2009 10:35 am

    @ snork :o

    I think you’re a bit optimistic if you think this will close the issue.

    True, but it IS having a significant impact. The liberal party in Australia is in open rebellion.

    Just go to Tim Blair’s site and keep scrolling

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/


  14. coldwarrior
    14 | November 27, 2009 10:38 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    i guess the libs in aussie land are smarter (or more honest) than american deomcrats


  15. goddessoftheclassroom
    15 | November 27, 2009 10:40 am

    @ Rodan:

    Oh. My. Goodness.

    Charles hasn’t just jumped the shark; he’s jumped the whole aquarium.


  16. 16 | November 27, 2009 10:42 am

    @ bar:

    Hmmm…. <a href="http://www.freesmileys.org


  17. eaglesoars
    17 | November 27, 2009 10:42 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    i guess the libs in aussie land are smarter (or more honest) than american deomcrats

    heh. Nah. What’s happening is that their constituents are melting their phone lines, fax lines, and email inboxes. Their leader, Turnbull, is still trying to pedal the “We must save the planet for future generations” twaddle and ain’t nobody listenin’.


  18. 18 | November 27, 2009 10:43 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Hmmm, might need the whole code…


  19. 19 | November 27, 2009 10:44 am

    @ bar:

    [url=http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php][img]http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil03.gif[/img][/url]

    Like this? (we need a preview)


  20. Empire1
    20 | November 27, 2009 10:44 am

    @ bar:
    Bar, if this works, I shall decide you are hilariously EVIL!


  21. 21 | November 27, 2009 10:45 am

    Try again (dingos ate the last one)


  22. 22 | November 27, 2009 10:46 am

    @ doriangrey:

    OK, that didnt work…


  23. 23 | November 27, 2009 10:47 am

    @ bar:

    Dingos ate that one too. Are you doing anything other than cut-and-paste with the code? It ain’t working for me…


  24. vagabond trader
    24 | November 27, 2009 10:47 am

    @ bar:

    Thanks,I “accidentally” clicked the sex ones, omg, sent them to some friends.LOLOLOLOLOL!


  25. wolfie
    25 | November 27, 2009 10:47 am

    @ Rodan:

    “It’s not just the emails (which you have been cherry picking, avoiding the hard ones …”- Strata

    Well, well, well. I thought CJ’s excuse for not posting the e-mails or allowing links to them was that he was too holy to touch “stolen material.” Now I see he has been posting them—very selectively. What a manipulative, sanctimonious, wretched fraud!


  26. refugee000
    26 | November 27, 2009 10:48 am

    @ Rodan:

    Johnson’s gone off his rocker. Complete denial that this all smells like some 3 day old fish and now he’s raging that “republicans” are “anti-science”.
    He’s as rabid these days as anything ever on KOS.

    I used to believe that people who accused Republicans and the right wing of being “anti-science” were exaggerating for partisan reasons.

    I no longer believe this. It’s incredibly clear that there’s a sizeable element of conservatives who have no respect at all for science or scientists, and will gladly distort, lie, and spread confusion about scientific issues, often deliberately with full knowledge of what they’re doing.

    I’d like him to meet someone I know, a GOP fundraiser, an MD with one PhD in Microbiology and another in Pharmacology who has led teams in the development of drugs now used in the treatment of Parkinsons, MS and Cancer.


  27. vagabond trader
    27 | November 27, 2009 10:49 am

    test


  28. bar
    28 | November 27, 2009 10:49 am

    Test, 2

    http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-toilet07.gif

    [url=http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php][img]http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-toilet04.gif[/img][/url]


  29. Empire1
    30 | November 27, 2009 10:53 am

    bar wrote:

    Test…

    Doesn’t seem to work for me, Bar.

    Which may be a good thing, as those could be seriously distracting.


  30. bar
    31 | November 27, 2009 10:53 am

    I guess the smileys are only working for the admin.

    Sorry, I will try to find a work around.

    Smileys


  31. vagabond trader
    32 | November 27, 2009 10:54 am

    @ refugee000:

    Anyone who blatantly falsifies data, gets caught, then calls skeptics out as deniers is pro science? This numbnuts and his acolytes have been guzzling this:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fBjgnKfCnio/SYushpBufZI/AAAAAAAAArk/qorNq3B6qeQ/s400/Fool_Aid50.jpg


  32. bar
    33 | November 27, 2009 10:55 am

    @ vagabond trader:
    I did that also. What will they do next, never mind maybe I dont want to know.


  33. 34 | November 27, 2009 10:56 am

    @ refugee000:

    He’s really a Maoist Ideologue. He really believes Conservatives are against Science? He’s nuts and mad. Conservatives believe in innovation which is a result of………………………………….

    Science!


  34. 35 | November 27, 2009 10:56 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    ROTFLMAO… yes indeed they have….


  35. coldwarrior
    36 | November 27, 2009 10:56 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ eaglesoars:
    i guess the libs in aussie land are smarter (or more honest) than american deomcrats
    heh. Nah. What’s happening is that their constituents are melting their phone lines, fax lines, and email inboxes. Their leader, Turnbull, is still trying to pedal the “We must save the planet for future generations” twaddle and ain’t nobody listenin’.

    like i said, their libs are smarter (or more honest) than our dems.


  36. coldwarrior
    37 | November 27, 2009 10:57 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ refugee000:
    He’s really a Maoist Ideologue. He really believes Conservatives are against Science? He’s nuts and mad. Conservatives believe in innovation which is a result of………………………………….
    Science!

    there is a thomas dolby joke in that post!


  37. vagabond trader
    38 | November 27, 2009 10:57 am

    @ doriangrey:

    That would make a pretty good avatar but my kitteh might get offended and we don’t want to offend big red.


  38. 39 | November 27, 2009 10:57 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    Lol…lol… I wouldn’t have even noticed they were there if you hadn’t pointed them out… ;)


  39. Overlook
    40 | November 27, 2009 10:58 am

    A man rides a bicycle along the coast and among the hills of a beautiful fraction of the California coast. The wind blows through his pony-tail. Along the way he stops occasionally to take moving photographs of sea, sky, and artifacts of man. The man, in the endorphin high that raises sweat to saintliness, believes himself to be at one with nature. He believes in the purity of air, water, earth. He takes up environmentalism. And from here it is a easy step to match the views of man he sees from the hills -- the smoke, smog, and industrial blight of the refinery -- with the view that humanity, especially Americans, are poisoning the planet. And armed with this parochial certainty, he espouses anthropogenic global warming. He sees and feels it. He knows it to be true. And so the cyclist bows to the scientists who proclaim the flooding of the coast -- where he lives -- and kicks those who cast doubt. In his own world, let there be no light, no heat and very few human beings.
    This is the man to whom one turns to see how the personal becomes political, and how the political becomes fanaticism.
    He has donned a mental burka.


  40. wolfie
    41 | November 27, 2009 10:58 am

    CJ: “And I thought much more highly of you too, before learning that you’re a hardcore climate change denier who’s not above distorting and misrepresenting facts.”

    This is exactly the kind of non-response to an argument that repulsed so many of us at LGF. It is profoundly anti-intellectual.


  41. 42 | November 27, 2009 10:59 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ eaglesoars:
    i guess the libs in aussie land are smarter (or more honest) than american deomcrats
    heh. Nah. What’s happening is that their constituents are melting their phone lines, fax lines, and email inboxes. Their leader, Turnbull, is still trying to pedal the “We must save the planet for future generations” twaddle and ain’t nobody listenin’.

    like i said, their libs are smarter (or more honest) than our dems.

    Hey, I havent been calling them Dummycrats for the last ten years for nothing…


  42. 43 | November 27, 2009 10:59 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ refugee000:
    Anyone who blatantly falsifies data, gets caught, then calls skeptics out as deniers is pro science? This numbnuts and his acolytes have been guzzling this:

    LOL! That’s a keeper!


  43. Opilio
    44 | November 27, 2009 11:00 am

    refugee000 wrote:

    Johnson’s gone off his rocker:

    I used to believe that people who accused Republicans and the right wing of being “anti-science” were exaggerating for partisan reasons.
    I no longer believe this. It’s incredibly clear that there’s a sizeable element of conservatives who have no respect at all for science or scientists, and will gladly distort, lie, and spread confusion about scientific issues, often deliberately with full knowledge of what they’re doing.

    The crazy is strong over there.

    CJ can see into the Hearts of Men and thus determine for us the motives of all before him, be they pure or black as coal. (Is that racist? Only CJ knows.)

    I don’t know how anyone with a functioning brain can tolerate the rabidly intolerant atmosphere at LGF.


  44. mjazz
    45 | November 27, 2009 11:00 am

    Does the end of the blockquote have stuff that is written by you, Bob? It seems out of place.


  45. vagabond trader
    46 | November 27, 2009 11:00 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Oh sure Dorian, go ahead, make the old broad look like the only perv in town!

    :cool:


  46. 48 | November 27, 2009 11:01 am

    @ Rodan:

    Science == new revealed religion
    scientists == High Priests of Science

    To question them is heresy, to disagree with them is blasphemy. to refuse them funding, well, they don’t have that category in mere “God” based religions…


  47. vagabond trader
    49 | November 27, 2009 11:02 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Got that off Weasel Zippers a while back. Great blog for breaking news blurbs and unrestrained hilarity.


  48. 50 | November 27, 2009 11:03 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Oh sure Dorian, go ahead, make the old broad look like the only perv in town!

    Welll… Ummm, not the only one in town… ;)


  49. wolfie
    51 | November 27, 2009 11:03 am

    “It’s incredibly clear that there’s a sizeable element of AGW researchers conservatives who have no respect at all for science or scientists, and will gladly distort, lie, and spread confusion about scientific issues, often deliberately with full knowledge of what they’re doing.

    Fixed it for you, Chuck.


  50. 52 | November 27, 2009 11:03 am

    More bigotry from Charles.


    71 Charles Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:42:04am replyquote

    * 3
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    Ah, Christmas! The time of egg nog, presents, trees, and the religious right whining about an imaginary “war.”

    ‘Tis the season to be a victim.


  51. eaglesoars
    53 | November 27, 2009 11:03 am

    I just realized something. Reading over and over Wormtongue’s complaint that all the CRU stuff was STOLEN -- I kept hearing another voice in my head that I couldn’t place.

    Well, I placed it, finally. All you LOTR fans out there -- remember how Gollum constantly complained that Bilbo had STOLEN his precious?

    Yep, that was the voice in my head.


  52. mjazz
    54 | November 27, 2009 11:05 am

    @ doriangrey:
    It worked for me. 8)


  53. 55 | November 27, 2009 11:06 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yup Charles is a wannabe Scientist.


  54. 56 | November 27, 2009 11:06 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    But Chuckles the Clown doesn’t have a precious… Err, wait, didnt someone steal Chuckles bicycle?? No wonder he is so pissed, first his precious bicycle gets stolen and now his faith in AGW…


  55. 57 | November 27, 2009 11:07 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ refugee000:
    He’s really a Maoist Ideologue. He really believes Conservatives are against Science? He’s nuts and mad. Conservatives believe in innovation which is a result of………………………………….
    Science!
    there is a thomas dolby joke in that post!

    Sorry, I just couldn’t resist that opening….


  56. 58 | November 27, 2009 11:07 am

    @ Overlook:

    Sounds like he is in the process of becomming the Unabomber…


  57. 59 | November 27, 2009 11:08 am

    @ mjazz:

    Oh dear… I am afraid to even ask what it was that worked for you…


  58. 60 | November 27, 2009 11:10 am

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t they run Irish Rose off a few weeks ago? That had to sting.


  59. mjazz
    61 | November 27, 2009 11:12 am

    @ doriangrey:
    I thought they were talking about the smileys link.


  60. Empire1
    62 | November 27, 2009 11:12 am

    @ Rodan:
    Too bad I can’t whack Charles over the head with the possible guest post I submitted here a couple of weeks ago. :evil grin:


  61. Overlook
    63 | November 27, 2009 11:13 am

    @ refugee000:

    Newton practiced alchemy.

    What is “incredibly clear” is that he, for partisan political purposes, is claiming that rightist ideologues distort more than leftist ideologues, which is itself a deliberate distortion.

    He is never aware of how his accusations boomerang. It is a very simple mind shrouded in that burka.


  62. 64 | November 27, 2009 11:14 am

    @ mjazz:

    Oh… no we all could see the smilie list, just none of us regular poster can get any of the smilies to post…


  63. Overlook
    65 | November 27, 2009 11:14 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Metaphorically, he already is. That’s why he blows people off his site.


  64. livefreeor die
    66 | November 27, 2009 11:15 am

    refugee000 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Johnson’s gone off his rocker. Complete denial that this all smells like some 3 day old fish and now he’s raging that “republicans” are “anti-science”.
    He’s as rabid these days as anything ever on KOS.
    I used to believe that people who accused Republicans and the right wing of being “anti-science” were exaggerating for partisan reasons.
    I no longer believe this. It’s incredibly clear that there’s a sizeable element of conservatives who have no respect at all for science or scientists, and will gladly distort, lie, and spread confusion about scientific issues, often deliberately with full knowledge of what they’re doing.
    I’d like him to meet someone I know, a GOP fundraiser, an MD with one PhD in Microbiology and another in Pharmacology who has led teams in the development of drugs now used in the treatment of Parkinsons, MS and Cancer.

    Hmmm…so my husband and I both have Ph.D.s, Charles, and have always stated not to believe everything you hear or see in headlines until you’ve looked at the data and the whole picture but we’re conservatives so we are anti-science? You are the one not looking objectively at the big picture but are instead leaking out only information that supports your opinion. You are engaging in the very behavior you are attributing to others as you claim the Titanic is not sinking.

    I don’t know what happened in your life to make you so turn on your principles.


  65. vagabond trader
    67 | November 27, 2009 11:15 am

    Wow, we’re going full tilt this weekend against all those nasty anti science G-d loving fools aren’t we Charles? What a bitter angry person. Yup, perfect definition of a leftist.


  66. refugee000
    68 | November 27, 2009 11:16 am

    ROTFL!

    CJ’s head is about to explode.

    Washington, D.C.-Sen. James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.), Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, today sent letters to several scientists, some of whom allegedly manipulated data to prove the scientific “consensus” of global warming, as well as to the inspectors general of several federal agencies, notifying them to retain documents related to the release of emails from the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit in England.

    http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=27FE9184-802A-23AD-45E5-8FEB948B7BB3


  67. mjazz
    69 | November 27, 2009 11:16 am

    “The check is in the mail.”
    “Islam is a religion of peace.”
    “Technology is causing global warming.”


  68. Overlook
    70 | November 27, 2009 11:17 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Ha! Thanks for the link.


  69. 71 | November 27, 2009 11:17 am

    @ livefreeor die:

    I don’t know what happened in your life to make you so turn on your principles.

    Hmmm, bad science there on your part… You assume Charles ever had any genuine principals to turn on.


  70. livefreeor die
    72 | November 27, 2009 11:19 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Sorry, I should have clarified that I am basing my assumption of principles on previous behavior/ LGF postings before the “Time of Censoring” began. Unfortunately, I can only go by behavior since I can’t read minds the way Charles apparently can.


  71. eaglesoars
    73 | November 27, 2009 11:19 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t they run Irish Rose off a few weeks ago? That had to sting.

    They DID!? What happened? Ok, and I’ll ask again -- are iceweasel and Jimmeh really engaged?


  72. RIX
    74 | November 27, 2009 11:19 am

    CJ considers the emails encouraging the deletion of incriminating emails to be out of context.
    Hmmm, what in the wotld could put them in a good context:?


  73. refugee000
    75 | November 27, 2009 11:20 am

    You can smell the fear over there.
    The mere mention or suggestion of any investigation into CRU brings on the downdings and diversion to the “thief” who “stole” the data.


  74. livefreeor die
    76 | November 27, 2009 11:20 am

    RIX wrote:

    CJ considers the emails encouraging the deletion of incriminating emails to be out of context.
    Hmmm, what in the wotld could put them in a good context:?

    I see he’s running the USSR playbook.


  75. mjazz
    77 | November 27, 2009 11:20 am

    Oh boy! Now the government will save money by cutting funding for global warming research!/


  76. Lincolntf
    78 | November 27, 2009 11:20 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    It’s great. LGF, AP, NYT, etc. are all sputtering out their last protestations. Getting on record as going down with the GW-ship, so they can position themselves as the victims of a world that stopped listening. It’s easier on their egos to pretend that the world left them than to admit that they were participating in an out and out fraud or were dumber than dirt.


  77. 79 | November 27, 2009 11:20 am

    @ Empire1:

    When was this? I didn’t see a gust post?


  78. livefreeor die
    80 | November 27, 2009 11:21 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t they run Irish Rose off a few weeks ago? That had to sting.
    They DID!? What happened? Ok, and I’ll ask again – are iceweasel and Jimmeh really engaged?

    Oh, DA-AMN, what did I miss?


  79. 81 | November 27, 2009 11:21 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yes they are.


  80. 82 | November 27, 2009 11:22 am

    livefreeor die wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Sorry, I should have clarified that I am basing my assumption of principles on previous behavior/ LGF postings before the “Time of Censoring” began. Unfortunately, I can only go by behavior since I can’t read minds the way Charles apparently can.

    Heh heh heh, no worries, California yanked my mind reading license years ago for abusing it to score hot lonely womenz… ;)


  81. wolfie
    83 | November 27, 2009 11:22 am

    I have a challenge for any Democrat who mouthes the fashionable meme that Republicans are “anti-science” knuckle-draggers:

    Let’s make passing a test in basic natural science a necessary qualification for voting! Which party would benefit from this? More to the point, which party would be utterly decimated?

    I also challenge people in my own state by asking why it is that students at VaTech (almost exclusively science-oriented) are much more conservative than those at UVA (heavy on humanities.)

    I don’t expect to change a moonbat’s mind, but it’s always fun to see them twitch.


  82. vagabond trader
    84 | November 27, 2009 11:22 am

    Then we have the Great Father of all science in DC heading out to Copenhagen to prove what exactly? That the oceans have begun to recede and the earth is on the mend? What a collection of willful ignorance.


  83. Opilio
    85 | November 27, 2009 11:24 am

    Walter L Newton is walking on thin ice:

    That’s all I have been told by the AGW proponents, over and over for the last week, it’s as if the emails and documents were made up or something. They are ignoring the emails and documents the same way they ignored any data that may have skewed their notions.

    This is not science I am seeing here at all. But, that won’t stop people from telling the world that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

    CJ fires back:

    I’m not ignoring anything. I’ve read many of the emails myself, and I’ve looked through the documents, including the source code everyone’s screaming about, and there is absolutely no evidence of any hoaxes or frauds. None.

    This is a phony controversy.

    I, I, I, me, me. Remind you of anyone?

    You see… CJ will do all the critical thinking for us, so that we will have more time to bow down before him.


  84. 86 | November 27, 2009 11:24 am

    @ refugee000:

    If he ever see’s this Charles will displace Cleopatra as the Queen of De-Nile…


  85. RIX
    87 | November 27, 2009 11:25 am

    @ livefreeor die:
    I see he’s running the USSR playbook.

    Yes he is. CJ has a totalitarian mindset. Thank God he has no real power.


  86. vagabond trader
    88 | November 27, 2009 11:26 am

    @ mjazz:

    LOL. :-)


  87. Empire1
    89 | November 27, 2009 11:26 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    When was this? I didn’t see a gust post?

    About two weeks ago — around Veteran’s Day. I got a note back from M that she’d let me know when it was scheduled, but I haven’t heard anything since. Probably waiting for a quiet news day, since it’s not time-critical.


  88. m
    90 | November 27, 2009 11:27 am

    @ mjazz:

    I fixed it~


  89. Overlook
    92 | November 27, 2009 11:28 am

    @ wolfie:

    Good point. Every arts subject has become infected with ideology. I include the “social” sciences among them. The harm that leftism is doing to science is far greater than religious biblical literalism.


  90. vagabond trader
    93 | November 27, 2009 11:29 am

    @ Opilio:

    from cj:

    This is a phony controversy AGW crisis.

    Fixed it for ya selrahC.


  91. 94 | November 27, 2009 11:30 am

    @ doriangrey:

    You raise a valid point. None of us really knew Charles very well. He didn’t fraternize with the commenters, engage them in dialog, or the like. He very pointedly did not attend any of the various LGF meetups (let alone arrange one in his area) or do much of anything else other than his selections for front-page pieces to give us any idea who the man behind the curtain was. The comments section was pretty hands off in the early days, and pretty wild and woolly (they didn’t refer to it as the “roughest biker bar on the internet” for nothing), but Charles himself rarely said anything.

    If he felt then as he apparently does now, it must have really sucked to be him. I can’t believe that he did, though. Based on what he did say (and his choices for posts. How many car swarm threads did we have? palestinian child abuse threads? Dogs playing poker at Islamonazi rallies?) the “Charles” of today would delete and block the Charles of yesteryear.


  92. 95 | November 27, 2009 11:30 am

    Opilio wrote:

    Walter L Newton is walking on thin ice:

    That’s all I have been told by the AGW proponents, over and over for the last week, it’s as if the emails and documents were made up or something. They are ignoring the emails and documents the same way they ignored any data that may have skewed their notions.

    This is not science I am seeing here at all. But, that won’t stop people from telling the world that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

    CJ fires back:

    I’m not ignoring anything. I’ve read many of the emails myself, and I’ve looked through the documents, including the source code everyone’s screaming about, and there is absolutely no evidence of any hoaxes or frauds. None.

    This is a phony controversy.

    Heh, but did you see Walter’s reply:

    I hope you’re right.

    Walter’s a mouse.


  93. lobo91
    96 | November 27, 2009 11:31 am

    @ refugee000:

    Chuckles will just ignore it, because Inhofe’s an evil creationist and therefore irrelevant.


  94. Overlook
    97 | November 27, 2009 11:32 am

    @ Opilio:

    Yes, Mr. Johnson, reads the emails etc. but he has his mental burka on so that he does not understand what he is reading, let alone the implications of it.


  95. Lincolntf
    98 | November 27, 2009 11:32 am

    “…and there is absolutely no evidence of any hoaxes or frauds. None…”

    Show the Briffa et al reconstruction through to its end; don’t stop in 1960. Then comment and deal with the “divergence problem” if you need to. Don’t cover up the divergence by truncating this graphic. This was done in IPCC TAR; this was misleading (comment ID #: 309-18)

    The IPCC said that it would be “inappropriate to show recent section of Briffa et al. series“.
    @ Opilio:

    What part of “…This was done in IPCC TAR; this was misleading…” does Charlie not understand?


  96. eaglesoars
    99 | November 27, 2009 11:33 am

    wattsupwiththat has the NIWA response to the New Zealand ‘data adjustment’ controversy.

    They say:

    Warming over New Zealand through the past century is unequivocal.

    NIWA’s analysis of measured temperatures uses internationally accepted techniques, including making adjustments for changes such as movement of measurement sites. For example, in Wellington, early temperature measurements were made near sea level, but in 1928 the measurement site was moved from Thorndon (3 metres above sea level) to Kelburn (125 m above sea level). The Kelburn site is on average 0.8°C cooler than Thorndon, because of the extra height above sea level.I’m not too impressed, especially when you see where the weather station for National Institute of Water and Atmosphere (NIWA) is, right on the rooftop next to the air conditioners:

    more at the link

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/27/more-on-the-niwa-new-zealand-data-adjustment-story/#more-13287


  97. mawskrat
    100 | November 27, 2009 11:33 am

    Charles”Ienstein”Johnson


  98. 101 | November 27, 2009 11:34 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    ……the “Charles” of today would delete and block the Charles of yesteryear.

    There’s never been a truer word spoken.


  99. RIX
    102 | November 27, 2009 11:34 am

    Charles focuses on the hacked emails. He will not allow that even if it is an inside job that it could have whistleblower protection.
    He does not know that, he makes things up as he goes.
    On one thread he swore that there was no such thing as the “Ordinary reasonable Man” concept in law. When proven wrong , he just whined.


  100. 103 | November 27, 2009 11:34 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Fuck Walter, he is a cock sucking worthless sack of dogshit Charles Johnson…


  101. m
    104 | November 27, 2009 11:34 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    You’re kidding. Oh no, say it ain’t so. For real? Now I gotta worry about how some crazy chick is going to cope. No really, I’ve long worried about how sharmuta or irish rose would react if they were banned. Maybe they’ll find a local cult to replace the online one.

    ~hey -- they put their crazy out there


  102. wolfie
    105 | November 27, 2009 11:37 am

    @ Opilio:

    Walter, don’t walk away from there. RUN!

    (Does CJ really think that “I have examined the evidence and I have made the unquestionable final judgment” is going to satisfy anyone with an IQ bigger than his shoe size?!?)


  103. 106 | November 27, 2009 11:37 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Fuck Walter, he is a cock sucking worthless sack of dogshit Charles Johnson…

    Damn, I hope that felt as good as it sounded! :)


  104. 107 | November 27, 2009 11:37 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I just seem to recall IR getting into it with the usual suspects and posting about as much of a flounce as someone with as weak a character as her’s could muster. As for Jimmah and Iceweasel, I neither know nor care. I can’t imagine such a thing, though. it would be kind of like Pritzi’s Honor where the two Mafia hitters got together. Sooner or later one of them is going to take the other one out.


  105. 108 | November 27, 2009 11:38 am

    @ m:

    The only thing we need to worry about regarding either one of those bitches is upon being banned, the possibility that they might try to slip in here under a new nic…


  106. 109 | November 27, 2009 11:39 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Hey, man, you’ve got to quit holding all your anger inside. It ain’t healthy. don’t sugar-coat every little thing. Say what you mean, and mean what you say…

    :evil:


  107. bar
    110 | November 27, 2009 11:40 am

    @ vagabond trader:
    No, not the only one.
    I found those right away, so just for future reference I had to check them out.

    Smileys

    Smileys


  108. Overlook
    111 | November 27, 2009 11:40 am

    @ m:

    They will choose new nics and post here. Their old nics will be buried in Kirly’s graveyard.


  109. 112 | November 27, 2009 11:40 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    @ MacDuff:
    Fuck Walter, he is a cock sucking worthless sack of dogshit Charles Johnson…
    Damn, I hope that felt as good as it sounded!

    Hmm, did the amount and degree that I despise Walter manage to come through in that post??? Oh… my bad, how vulgar and crass of me…


  110. eaglesoars
    113 | November 27, 2009 11:41 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ refugee000:
    Chuckles will just ignore it, because Inhofe’s an evil creationist and therefore irrelevant.

    No no no, NOT a creationist! What Wormtongue told me is that Inhofe is a DOMINIONIST! That apparently means someone who thinks God gave man dominion over the earth, ergo we can do anything we want to it -- or maybe the objection is that Inhofe in Wormtongue’s mind is a fundamentalist Christian. Whatever. I looked at his bio and he belongs to a mainstream protestent church.

    But the irony was totally lost on Wormtongue. The REAL dominionists are the people who think man can control the planet’s weather/climate.


  111. m
    114 | November 27, 2009 11:41 am

    wolfie wrote:

    CJ: “And I thought much more highly of you too, before learning that you’re a hardcore climate change denier who’s not above distorting and misrepresenting facts.”

    This is exactly the kind of non-response to an argument that repulsed so many of us at LGF. It is profoundly anti-intellectual.

    It really is. We didn’t notice it in the early years because he didn’t comment a lot. But if he was like that during the build up it would never have become the great place it used to be.


  112. Opilio
    115 | November 27, 2009 11:41 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Heh, but did you see Walter’s reply:

    I hope you’re right.

    Walter’s a mouse.

    Yeah. I saw that later… Not the first time we’ve seen someone prostrate themselves once Sauron’s eye focused on them. Won’t be the last.


  113. mjazz
    116 | November 27, 2009 11:43 am

    Say goodnight, Walter.


  114. 117 | November 27, 2009 11:43 am

    m wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    You’re kidding. Oh no, say it ain’t so. For real? Now I gotta worry about how some crazy chick is going to cope. No really, I’ve long worried about how sharmuta or irish rose would react if they were banned. Maybe they’ll find a local cult to replace the online one.
    ~hey – they put their crazy out there

    Oh, I’m sure she’ll be able to find another manipulative soulless bastard that will take her in. There are tons of opportunites out there for sycophants, particularly, given her experience.


  115. lobo91
    118 | November 27, 2009 11:43 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Walter’s reply, “I hope you’re right,” is disturbing on multiple levels.

    We can all understand why the scientists involved have a vested interest in this being a “nontroversy.” If it’s proven that this has all been a huge fraud, their careers are over.

    It’s also easy to understand why those on the far left desperately want AGW to be real. Anything that will diminish the power of the industrialized nations is good, in their view.

    Then there are those like Al Gore, who are poised to make vast fortunes if a global “carbon credit” exchange is created. Again, their motives are obvious.

    As far as I know, though, Walter doesn’t fall into any of those categories. He’s an ordinary American, who has nothing to gain from AGW being real, and everything to lose.

    There is absolutely no reason someone like him should be hoping that Charles is right about this issue.


  116. refugee000
    119 | November 27, 2009 11:43 am

    ROTFL!

    CJ’s head is about to explode.

    Hmmm…so my husband and I both have Ph.D.s, Charles, and have always stated not to believe everything you hear or see in headlines until you’ve looked at the data and the whole picture but we’re conservatives so we are anti-science? You are the one not looking objectively at the big picture but are instead leaking out only information that supports your opinion. You are engaging in the very behavior you are attributing to others as you claim the Titanic is not sinking.
    I don’t know what happened in your life to make you so turn on your principles.

    CJ rants about conservatives “lying” about science in order to push forward an agenda, as if the Left doesn’t.

    He has conveniently blocked out the fact that it was Al Gore who was proven to be less than factual in his pseudo documentary film by a British court, which removed the title “documentary” from his film.


  117. m
    120 | November 27, 2009 11:43 am

    @ Rodan:

    o.m.GAAAAAH! He’s a pompous mofo, isn’t he? *grits teeth*


  118. Opilio
    121 | November 27, 2009 11:44 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    ……the “Charles” of today would delete and block the Charles of yesteryear.
    There’s never been a truer word spoken.

    Which one? There’s 12 words there. :-)


  119. 122 | November 27, 2009 11:44 am

    snork wrote:

    I think you’re a bit optimistic if you think this will close the issue. This shines the sunshine an a relatively small clique dealing primarily with proxy reconstructions, and it throws a pall over the larger group, but there are still many who can and will disassociate themselves. The knife throwing hasn’t even begun, as the ones not implicated start attacking the ones implicated. Jones, Mann and their social network are toast. But I think Hansen and his buds will come out of this with just a few scratches.
    So don’t sell your carbon investments quite yet. This is going to continue to unravel over the coming months.
    I’ve been all over this, and just this morning, I came across what may be the most damning email so far:
    http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/22/what-do-you-make-of-this.html
    Lets let our supporters in higher places use our scientific response to push the broader case against MM. So I look forward to peoples attempts to revise the first par. particular.
    I took the liberty of forwarding the previous draft to a handfull of our closet colleagues,
    So who are their supporters in “higher places”? And who are the “closet colleagues”? Was that a typo, or was Dr. Mann suggesting that there are puppetmasters?
    Stay tuned. This season of “Dallas” is just getting its socks on.

    The thing is, this “clique” are global warming. The IPCC grew out of the ideas put forth by the Climate Research Unit and the Hadley Centre, almost all of the data used to “prove” global warming came from CRU, the CRU science team colluding with Mann and Hansen are the essential guiding force behind the entire AGW movement. They are it. If they fall, the warmists lose their generals. They aren’t a small clique, they’re the leaders.

    The salmonella scare ran the same way too, sparked and powered by the activities of a very small number of closely-knit scientist types. Ditto the BSE scare. They ran that one for over a decade. AGW is no different.


  120. m
    123 | November 27, 2009 11:44 am

    @ Empire1:

    We will! I wanted to wait until after Thanksgiving~ tonight sounds good!


  121. 124 | November 27, 2009 11:45 am

    I haven’t heard this said by the nedia, and don’t know if it has been said here, but this is the AIG of AGW.


  122. vagabond trader
    125 | November 27, 2009 11:45 am

    @ m:

    Hi m!

    Nope, looks like shes still linking to the master blogtator and knowing her vindictive nature he would have been deep sixed had she been booted.


  123. 126 | November 27, 2009 11:46 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I spent nearly two years exchanging interesting dialog with Walter on nearly a daily basis and never realized what a worthless prick he was until the day I suggested that Islam should be banned as a violent hostile political, ideology bent on the destruction of the United States Constitution.

    Walter had some choice things to say, then ran to Charles like a little 5 year old girl screaming his head off. Calling Walter a lying douche bag snake in the grass would only demean and insult actual lying douche bag snakes in the grass.


  124. Kitteh
    127 | November 27, 2009 11:46 am

    Lincolntf wrote:

    “…and there is absolutely no evidence of any hoaxes or frauds. None…”
    Show the Briffa et al reconstruction through to its end; don’t stop in 1960. Then comment and deal with the “divergence problem” if you need to. Don’t cover up the divergence by truncating this graphic. This was done in IPCC TAR; this was misleading (comment ID #: 309-18)
    The IPCC said that it would be “inappropriate to show recent section of Briffa et al. series“.
    @ Opilio:
    What part of “…This was done in IPCC TAR; this was misleading…” does Charlie not understand?

    Not only is Chrales not a scientist, he is also not overly intelligent. He bought into this climate crap because he read some AGW books that sounded like they knew their stuff, and he won’t eve admit he was blinded by science.


  125. eaglesoars
    128 | November 27, 2009 11:47 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    As for Jimmah and Iceweasel, I neither know nor care. I can’t imagine such a thing, though. it would be kind of like Pritzi’s Honor where the two Mafia hitters got together. Sooner or later one of them is going to take the other one out.

    Upthread, Rodan sez it’s true -- but it would be hilarious if your scenario plays out.

    @ doriangrey:

    The only thing we need to worry about regarding either one of those bitches is upon being banned, the possibility that they might try to slip in here under a new nic…

    They could NEVER hide their personalities -- and Sharmuta is DEFINITELY the more fragile of the two.


  126. 129 | November 27, 2009 11:49 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I spent nearly two years exchanging interesting dialog with Walter on nearly a daily basis and never realized what a worthless prick he was until the day I suggested that Islam should be banned as a violent hostile political, ideology bent on the destruction of the United States Constitution.
    Walter had some choice things to say, then ran to Charles like a little 5 year old girl screaming his head off. Calling Walter a lying douche bag snake in the grass would only demean and insult actual lying douche bag snakes in the grass.

    Was that the circumstance of your banning liberation?


  127. vagabond trader
    130 | November 27, 2009 11:49 am

    @ Kitteh:

    Hows your kitteh, kitteh?


  128. Opilio
    131 | November 27, 2009 11:50 am

    wolfie wrote:

    @ Opilio:
    Does CJ really think that “I have examined the evidence and I have made the unquestionable final judgment” is going to satisfy anyone with an IQ bigger than his shoe size?!?

    Yes. I believe he actually does.


  129. eaglesoars
    132 | November 27, 2009 11:51 am

    @ lobo91: (and McDuff)

    Walter’s reply, “I hope you’re right,” is disturbing on multiple levels.

    If you paid any attention to Walter over the years, he’s genetically averse to confrontation.


  130. m
    133 | November 27, 2009 11:51 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    True that.


  131. 134 | November 27, 2009 11:53 am

    @ lobo91:

    As far as I know, though, Walter doesn’t fall into any of those categories. He’s an ordinary American, who has nothing to gain from AGW being real, and everything to lose.

    There is absolutely no reason someone like him should be hoping that Charles is right about this issue.

    Helloieeee, Walter fancies himself a master Thespian and intellectual of the highest order… Try screaming left wing liberal moon-bat…


  132. wolfie
    135 | November 27, 2009 11:53 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Walter’s a mouse.

    Everytime Walter lets fly with common sense propositions, Chuck and his minions love to corner him. They put him in a position where he must either agree 100% with their view, however absurd he knows it to be, or he must say something bannable. So he caves in.

    I believe that they enjoy this. It’s a power trip. There’s no big high in getting someone who reflexively accedes to your every demand to acquiesce. Getting someone who you know doesn’t really buy your creed to swear to it, though,….whoa, that’s a trip!


  133. 136 | November 27, 2009 11:53 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Yes it was…


  134. 137 | November 27, 2009 11:54 am

    New weapons thread coming up at noon PST.


  135. imtoast
    138 | November 27, 2009 11:54 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    m wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    You’re kidding. Oh no, say it ain’t so. For real? Now I gotta worry about how some crazy chick is going to cope. No really, I’ve long worried about how sharmuta or irish rose would react if they were banned. Maybe they’ll find a local cult to replace the online one.
    ~hey – they put their crazy out there
    Oh, I’m sure she’ll be able to find another manipulative soulless bastard that will take her in. There are tons of opportunites out there for sycophants, particularly, given her experience.

    Irish rose did the same thing during the primaries when people started putting Hucklebee down. She flounced nicely then. However, she came back. Does anyone know if charles actually banned her?


  136. vagabond trader
    139 | November 27, 2009 11:55 am

    Best quote re: AGW dustup:

    “Climategate has finally given us the chance to express openly what many of us secretly felt all along:

    “AGW is about raising taxes; increasing state control; about a few canny hucksters who’ve leapt on the bandwagon fleecing us rotten with their taxpayer subsidised windfarms and their carbon-trading; about the sour, anti-capitalist impulses of sandal-wearing vegans and lapsed Communists who loathe the idea of freedom and a functioning market economy.

    “We know it’s all a crock and we’re not going to take it.

    “This is our Berlin Wall moment! They can’t stop us now!”


  137. Lincolntf
    140 | November 27, 2009 11:55 am

    Something that the GW shitbirds never address is the fact that the scientific/elected frauds have all the motive in the world to lie (money, power, prestige) but skeptics have nothing to gain by falsely accusing them of lying. If the world floods/burns, us skeptics would be just as screwed. We should thank the Church of Gore parishoners for inadvertently but definitively ruling out both possibilities and then get back to making human progress again.


  138. Empire1
    141 | November 27, 2009 11:56 am

    m wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    We will! I wanted to wait until after Thanksgiving~ tonight sounds good!

    That would be wonderful! :) I wasn’t worried, just couldn’t resist when Rodan mentioned that comment from Charles. MY war is against the stupid PC anti-Christmas idiots, as you know, and I think that might’ve freaked him coming from a Pagan. :evil grin:


  139. m
    142 | November 27, 2009 11:56 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I don’t remember him from before (well I think I do, but that guy was nice)… but he sure let loose last year when cj was up for pro-censorship asshat. If I hadn’t know the nic was someone else I would have sworn it was sharmie.

    He was full on, HOW DARE YOU?!

    lol, it was funny ~:)


  140. lobo91
    143 | November 27, 2009 11:56 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    If you paid any attention to Walter over the years, he’s genetically averse to confrontation.

    I’m probably the only one here who’s actually met Walter in person.

    We had lunch once about 10 months ago.

    My impression of him from that meeting was that he’s something of a chameleon. His persona changes according to who he’s with at the time.

    At any rate, my comment really wasn’t about Walter so much, anyway. I was just making the point that no American who doesn’t have a vested interest in the scam should be hoping that Charles is right.


  141. 144 | November 27, 2009 11:56 am

    @ m:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Hey do you all think Charles really believes he’s influential?


  142. Opilio
    145 | November 27, 2009 11:56 am

    imtoast wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Irish rose did the same thing during the primaries when people started putting Hucklebee down. She flounced nicely then. However, she came back. Does anyone know if charles actually banned her?

    She’s still in LGF’s blogroll, so, no, I don’t think so.


  143. m
    146 | November 27, 2009 11:57 am

    @ Empire1:

    Exactly! High5


  144. 147 | November 27, 2009 11:58 am

    @ lobo91:

    He’s an “arts” guy, though, right? Theater, IIRC. most of that community is on the Left side of the spectrum, the weirder and harder Left the better. Even if he, himself isn’t, he has to deal with that shit every day. If he were going to pick a hill of the Right to die on, he’d be gone from LGF now, anyway. If he’s not Left himself, he has learned to mouth the right words to go along to get along.


  145. 148 | November 27, 2009 11:59 am

    @ Empire1:

    Silly Empire1, there are no pagans… Only un-reverted Muslims… Dont you know anything???


  146. lobo91
    149 | November 27, 2009 12:01 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Helloieeee, Walter fancies himself a master Thespian and intellectual of the highest order… Try screaming left wing liberal moon-bat…

    See my #143 above. I’ve actually met Walter, and he didn’t come across that way in person at all. He actually tried to position himself as being further to the right than I am when we met.

    The Walter I met would have agreed that Islam should be banned in the US.


  147. Kitteh
    150 | November 27, 2009 12:02 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Kitteh:
    Hows your kitteh, kitteh?

    She is doing better, thanks.
    She’s eating a little on her own no. I actually got 1.4 lbs on her in two weeks with the tube feeding. She is bounding around the house now, but not eating enough on her own to take out the tube.


  148. 151 | November 27, 2009 12:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ m:
    @ Iron Fist:
    Hey do you all think Charles really believes he’s influential?

    Narcissists always think they are incredibly important and influential.


  149. wolfie
    152 | November 27, 2009 12:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    There is absolutely no reason someone like him should be hoping that Charles is right about this issue.

    Great comment.

    May we suppose that Walter hopes CJ is right because he cannot bear either to leave Charles or to stay, knowing it’s all wrong?


  150. snork
    153 | November 27, 2009 12:04 pm

    I’m not ignoring anything. I’ve read many of the emails myself, and I’ve looked through the documents, including the source code everyone’s screaming about, and there is absolutely no evidence of any hoaxes or frauds. None.

    So that settles that. Chucky’s the expert climatologist, and all these other people like Strata don’t know squid.

    Got that everybody? HE can’t see anything wrong, so there’s nothing there. I thought he was the one saying that this was for the consensus of experts to decide. Can I see your climatology degree, Mr. Chuckles? The one from the Acme Online School of Moonbat Science?


  151. 154 | November 27, 2009 12:04 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Walter was warned by Charles to stop questioning his posts. Since then Walter has gone Progressive.


  152. mjazz
    155 | November 27, 2009 12:06 pm

    Isn’t it GE- that owns what- NBC- that is staunchly pro-Obama that stands to gain a lot of cash dinero if global warming legislation gets passed?


  153. lobo91
    156 | November 27, 2009 12:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    When it comes to Walter, I honestly couldn’t tell you what’s real and what’s an act.

    There may not even be a “real” Walter anymore.


  154. 157 | November 27, 2009 12:06 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    He’s an “arts” guy, though, right? Theater, IIRC. most of that community is on the Left side of the spectrum, the weirder and harder Left the better. Even if he, himself isn’t, he has to deal with that shit every day. If he were going to pick a hill of the Right to die on, he’d be gone from LGF now, anyway. If he’s not Left himself, he has learned to mouth the right words to go along to get along.

    Ah yes, he’s a thespian.


  155. Empire1
    158 | November 27, 2009 12:07 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    Silly Empire1, there are no pagans… Only un-reverted Muslims… Dont you know anything???

    I know that’s what they say — but this Pagan ain’t gonna “revert”, and I have Mr. Makarov, Mr. Mossberg, and several others backing my arguments. Nice folks, those. :)


  156. 159 | November 27, 2009 12:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Helloieeee, Walter fancies himself a master Thespian and intellectual of the highest order… Try screaming left wing liberal moon-bat…
    See my #143 above. I’ve actually met Walter, and he didn’t come across that way in person at all. He actually tried to position himself as being further to the right than I am when we met.
    The Walter I met would have agreed that Islam should be banned in the US.

    OK, let me explain a little about myself, I have a degree in the Performing Arts, A B.F.A in Music to be specific. I spent 2 years doing theatrical technical support getting that degree, if their is one thing I know about actors, it’s that if they are good, you can never tell who they really are or when they are playing a character role. I personally learned to never trust any actor, you simply cant tell when they are lying to you unless you catch them red-handed in a lie.


  157. Kitteh
    160 | November 27, 2009 12:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Walter was warned by Charles to stop questioning his posts. Since then Walter has gone Progressive.

    I feel sorry for him. Sure, it’s his own fault, but anybody who thinks they must transform themselves to fit in is pitiable imo. I hope he gets the courage to tell Chuck to f-off someday.


  158. m
    161 | November 27, 2009 12:09 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yes.


  159. lobo91
    162 | November 27, 2009 12:10 pm

    @ wolfie:

    May we suppose that Walter hopes CJ is right because he cannot bear either to leave Charles or to stay, knowing it’s all wrong?

    I think that’s 100% correct.

    Walter is a lot like Sharmuta and some of the other pathetic posters over there. He would be at a complete loss if he wasn’t able to be part of the community at LGF.


  160. 163 | November 27, 2009 12:10 pm

    @ Empire1:

    I have Mr. Makarov, Mr. Mossberg, and several others backing my arguments. Nice folks, those

    yes indeed, very good friends to have… ;)


  161. mjazz
    164 | November 27, 2009 12:10 pm

    Correction:
    Isn’t it GE- that owns what- NBC- that is staunchly pro-Obama that stands stood to gain a lot of cash dinero if global warming legislation gets passed?


  162. snork
    165 | November 27, 2009 12:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s also easy to understand why those on the far left desperately want AGW to be real. Anything that will diminish the power of the industrialized nations is good, in their view.

    Then there are those like Al Gore, who are poised to make vast fortunes if a global “carbon credit” exchange is created. Again, their motives are obvious.

    You’re missing the biggest reason of all. The one Jacques Chirac mentioned: that this not only makes a compelling case for, but requires “global governance”. For the crowd who wants the UN to have a the authority to tax directly and have standing army large enough to take any national army on, this is THE pretext.

    This is why I say, these people will not pass quietly into the night. Too many powerful and motivated people have too much riding on this. It must go on, at all costs, including the dissolution of representative government. I have no doubt that they would gladly toss democracy on the scrap heap of history the way a couple of other ideologies in the early 20th century unapologetically intended.


  163. eaglesoars
    166 | November 27, 2009 12:14 pm

    Tiger Woods has been in an auto accident and is in serious condition.

    http://kdka.com/national/tiger.woods.injured.2.1337175.html


  164. lobo91
    167 | November 27, 2009 12:15 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    If their is one thing I know about actors, it’s that if they are good, you can never tell who they really are or when they are playing a character role.

    I don’t think we’re really in disagreement here. As I already said, I have no idea who the “real” Walter is, if such a person even exists.

    I got the impression when I met him that he was playing a role then, because he was very different in person than he was online at the time. I have no idea which persona (if either) was the “real” one.

    Mostly, I found him to be fiarly creepy.


  165. eaglesoars
    168 | November 27, 2009 12:15 pm

    @ snork:

    a kazillion updings!


  166. Kitteh
    169 | November 27, 2009 12:16 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    Correction:
    Isn’t it GE- that owns what- NBC- that is staunchly pro-Obama that stands stood to gain a lot of cash dinero if global warming legislation gets passed?

    Don’t know about that, but I thought they’d be on the take for Obamacare since they have stakes in the electronic medical records thing.

    BBL, must go fetch shopping daughter. Hope I make it out of the mall parking lot……


  167. lobo91
    170 | November 27, 2009 12:17 pm

    @ mjazz:

    Yes, GE is heavily invested in “alternative energy” technologies, including wind turbines.


  168. eaglesoars
    171 | November 27, 2009 12:19 pm

    From poster Ron Haan on wattsupwiththat NIWA thread

    In an AT article posted September 27, I laid out the case for why the first two premises were flawed, if not outright fraudulent. Now, the IPCC “consensus” atmospheric physics model tying CO2 to global warming has been shown not only to be unverifiable, but to actually violate basic laws of physics.

    The analysis comes from an independent theoretical study detailed in a lengthy (115 pages), mathematically complex (144 equations, 13 data tables, and 32 figures or graphs), and well-sourced (205 references) paper prepared by two German physicists, Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf Tscheuschner, and published in several updated versions over the last couple of years. The latest version appears in the March 2009 edition of the International Journal of Modern Physics. In the paper, the two authors analyze the greenhouse gas model from its origin in the mid-19th century to the present IPCC application.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/politics_and_greenhouse_gasses.html

    (pdf file for download at the link)


  169. 172 | November 27, 2009 12:19 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I’d say he believes it to a degree. He has been (emphasis on the past tense) influential on the Right as a gathering place for people with a certain Center to Hard Right ideology/position. He helped define blogging when it was in its infancy, and helped bring it to the fore with Rathergate (though it was not him alone that did it). He still has something of an audience, although if comments are any indication that audience has shrunk considerably in the last year. The thing is that to really be influential requires more than just an audience. Whatever else you may say about Kos, he is influential on his side of the aisle. Just ask Joe Lieberman about that. knocking off a seated senator in a primary is one of those political things that practically never happens, so even though lieberman won as an independant (on a lot of Republican vote) you have to give Kos a victory there.

    Charles was never going to be the Kos of the Right, but LGF could have become a player. Not anymore. What does the internet (or the Democrat Party) need with another Kos or HuffPo? so while charles may have brought a smile to the faces of the likes of Meteor Blades and kestrel9000, he’s tossed any chance of being influential under the bus when he tossed the best of his posters there.

    That isn’t exactly the question you asked me, though, is it? I don’t know what Charles (or “Charles”) believes and at this point i don’t care. He self-destructed and pissed in the face of a lot of people who wished him only the best. It doesn’t take a belief in karma to see where that could come back and bite him. I doubt seriously that LGF will be able to continue to be a source of significant income for him. Hawking third-rate calanders smacks of desperation, and isn’t likely to net him enough in sales to have been worth the effort. God knows I didn’t make any money on the LGF patches I had done, but making money wasn’t my motivation for making them anyway.


  170. chickadee
    173 | November 27, 2009 12:19 pm

    I just hope Zero, and the “rest of the world,” aren’t going to be mad because, not only yesterday, but today, I ATE ALL I WANTED.
    (and there’s still some left overs.)

    :)


  171. 174 | November 27, 2009 12:21 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    I just hope Zero, and the “rest of the world,” aren’t going to be mad because, not only yesterday, but today, I ATE ALL I WANTED.
    (and there’s still some left overs.)

    Ah, but what about those greenhose “gasses”?


  172. 175 | November 27, 2009 12:24 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    I just hope Zero, and the “rest of the world,” aren’t going to be mad because, not only yesterday, but today, I ATE ALL I WANTED.
    (and there’s still some left overs.)

    Oh dear… It’s off the the William Ayer’s Memorial Community Re-Education and Conservative Capitalist Elimination Facility with you dear…


  173. m
    176 | November 27, 2009 12:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Kestrel9000! That’s the bird I was thinking of the other day and couldn’t remember. The cuckoo bird Kestrel!


  174. mjazz
    177 | November 27, 2009 12:27 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Aka “turkey barks”.


  175. 178 | November 27, 2009 12:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think he really wanted to be the Kos of the Right. He tried to push his vision of the Right : anti-Religion and Moderate Language. It backfired because most on the Right are religious and even those that aren’t didn’t like his tone. He is a bitter man and delusional.


  176. chickadee
    179 | November 27, 2009 12:29 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    chickadee wrote:

    I just hope Zero, and the “rest of the world,” aren’t going to be mad because, not only yesterday, but today, I ATE ALL I WANTED.
    (and there’s still some left overs.)

    Ah, but what about those greenhose “gasses”?

    Wait. . . . it’s not a hoax?
    Tooooooo late. Ha ha ha ha.
    Would you like a piece of pie?


  177. wolfie
    180 | November 27, 2009 12:30 pm

    snork wrote:

    Too many powerful and motivated people have too much riding on this. It must go on, at all costs, including the dissolution of representative government. I have no doubt that they would gladly toss democracy on the scrap heap of history the way a couple of other ideologies in the early 20th century unapologetically intended.

    The whole thrust of the Progressive movement has always been anti-democratic. The “scientifically” trained elite knows what is good for you and how to take care of you. The masses are laboring under the false consciousness of “irrational” tradition, but the trained commisariat knows new and improved “facts” and techniques.
    Democracy is an obstacle to utopia.


  178. goddessoftheclassroom
    181 | November 27, 2009 12:32 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I once stood at a fork in the road of my future. I had been accepted for a graduate degree program in acting in London. Then I was offered a teaching position that included directing at the school where I did my student teaching.

    I took the job.

    I knew myself well enough to realize that I don’t have the single-mindedness necessary to be a professional actress. I take things more seriously than most of the other theater people I’ve known. I LOVE acting and I’m glad I’ve gotten the chance to perform locally, but teaching is what I was meant to do.


  179. mjazz
    182 | November 27, 2009 12:33 pm

    @ Rodan:
    He was biting his tongue all that time when those of us were discussing our faith.


  180. 183 | November 27, 2009 12:33 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Would you like a piece of pie?

    ROTFLMAO I am just now having a piece of cherry pie… :)


  181. 184 | November 27, 2009 12:34 pm

    That’s a damned shame about Tiger Woods, I hope he’s going to be OK. Man, you just never know what’s going to happen.


  182. 185 | November 27, 2009 12:40 pm

    @ goddessoftheclassroom:

    I suspect that the Holy Spirit motivates the children of Christ away from being pure actors because of just how damaging to the true self that profession is. Those who do have faith in Christ must have a very strong faith to resist all the bullshit that actors endure for their craft.


  183. 186 | November 27, 2009 12:41 pm

    Ahmadinejad to Chavez: ‘We’re going to be together until the end’

    Aside from the really scary geopolitical aspect, it gives me mental images that are just, well, DISTURBING.


  184. eaglesoars
    187 | November 27, 2009 12:41 pm

    Via Meagen McArdle comes this interview with the the IPCC chair we have this nonsense worth of Alice in Wonderland.

    Pachauri said a laborious selection process, using only articles approved by other scientists, called peer review, and then subsequently approving these by committee had prevented distortion.

    “The entire report writing process of the IPCC is subjected to extensive and repeated review by experts as well as governments,” he added in a written statement to Reuters.

    “There is, therefore, no possibility of exclusion of any contrarian views, if they have been published in established journals or other publications which are peer reviewed.”

    “This thoroughness and the duration of the process followed in every assessment ensure the elimination of any possibility of omissions or distortions, intentional or accidental

    .”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSGEE5AP1Y5


  185. eaglesoars
    188 | November 27, 2009 12:43 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ goddessoftheclassroom:
    I suspect that the Holy Spirit motivates the children of Christ away from being pure actors because of just how damaging to the true self that profession is. Those who do have faith in Christ must have a very strong faith to resist all the bullshit that actors endure for their craft.

    Um, that’s quite a broad brush, there dorian. Alec Guinness, for one, and his wife were both devoted converts to the Roman Catholic Church.


  186. 189 | November 27, 2009 12:45 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    “We feel at home here and among our brothers … we’re going to be together until the end,” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told his Venezuelan counterpart Hugo Chavez during a visit to Latin America on Wednesday.

    Both leaders roundly denounced US “imperialism,” and Chavez also called Israel “a murderous arm of the Yankee empire.”

    Hmmm, from the tone of it, one might be forgiven for wondering if these two see themselves as members of the new Axis powers preparing to step up the level of violence in their war with imperialist America.


  187. chickadee
    190 | November 27, 2009 12:47 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    Would you like a piece of pie?

    ROTFLMAO I am just now having a piece of cherry pie…

    This year I made pumpkin and pecan. Topped with whipped cream. Pie is such an American dessert,
    I love to make it on the holidays.
    Of course I don’t really need any excuse.
    ;p


  188. 191 | November 27, 2009 12:50 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Last time I checked, the Roman Catholic Church was an establishment centered on Jesus Christ…

    Those who do have faith in Christ must have a very strong faith to resist all the bullshit that actors endure for their craft.


  189. lobo91
    192 | November 27, 2009 12:50 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    That’s a nice bit of circular logic:

    “There is, therefore, no possibility of exclusion of any contrarian views, if they have been published in established journals or other publications which are peer reviewed.”

    Since we now know that the peer review process was hijacked for the specific purpose of excluding “contrarian views,” that explains why the IPCC doesn’t consider them.


  190. 193 | November 27, 2009 12:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    That’s a nice bit of circular logic:
    “There is, therefore, no possibility of exclusion of any contrarian views, if they have been published in established journals or other publications which are peer reviewed.”
    Since we now know that the peer review process was hijacked for the specific purpose of excluding “contrarian views,” that explains why the IPCC doesn’t consider them.

    ROTFLMAO… Exactly like I said…

    We are smarter than you are, we have fancy science degrees and we decide who gets to have their research reviewed, no peer reviewing of any nonsense we don’t approve of and if your nonsense isn’t peer-reviewed, then obviously it isn’t scientific its just worthless nonsense.


  191. eaglesoars
    194 | November 27, 2009 12:57 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Last time I checked, the Roman Catholic Church was an establishment centered on Jesus Christ…
    Those who do have faith in Christ must have a very strong faith to resist all the bullshit that actors endure for their craft.

    I’ve never been involved in the arts (can ya tell?) but it seems to me the constant criticism and frequent rejection have to be wearying to the healthiest, most balanced egos.


  192. goddessoftheclassroom
    195 | November 27, 2009 12:57 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    That’s one of the most beautiful things anyone has every said to me. Thank you.


  193. wolfie
    196 | November 27, 2009 12:58 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Ah! Dazzling the natives with the shiny beads of “laborious” processes and peer review!


  194. 197 | November 27, 2009 12:58 pm

    Iran is really feeling their oats these days, I don’t suppose that they’ve been emboldened by our current President, do you?

    Iran seizes rights lawyer’s Nobel Peace medal

    TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iranian authorities have confiscated Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi’s medal, the human rights lawyer said Thursday, in a sign of the increasingly drastic steps Tehran is taking against any dissent.

    In Norway, where the peace prize is awarded, the government said the confiscation of the gold medal was a shocking first in the history of the 108-year-old prize.

    Ebadi won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2003 for her efforts in promoting democracy. She has long faced harassment from Iranian authorities for her activities -- including threats against her relatives and a raid on her office last year in which files were confiscated.

    The seizure of her prize is an expression of the Iranian government’s harsh approach to anyone it considers an opponent -- particularly since the massive street protests triggered by hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s disputed June 12 re-election.

    Yes, I remember those street protests; Obama did, and said nothing for a week, then issued a statement that said that “The United States and the international community have been appalled and outraged” by the treatment of the protesters.

    Clearly, Mr. President, Iran doesn’t give a damn about your outrage, and they’re rubbing your nose in it!


  195. eaglesoars
    198 | November 27, 2009 12:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    That’s a nice bit of circular logic:
    “There is, therefore, no possibility of exclusion of any contrarian views, if they have been published in established journals or other publications which are peer reviewed.”
    Since we now know that the peer review process was hijacked for the specific purpose of excluding “contrarian views,” that explains why the IPCC doesn’t consider them.

    I’ve read so much today I can’t remember where I read it, but someone is calling for Jones, Mann, et. al., to be excluded from any more IPCC proceedings.


  196. kansas
    199 | November 27, 2009 12:59 pm

    Gives one a headache doesn’t it? But someone posted something here the other day about a 1745 comment thread one time and I got to thinking. Does posting take up more bandwith than just clicking and reading? And if so, would his expenses go down if he got rid of most of his posters, then lured them back to read his site so they could go “What the fuck?”

    Just sayin.


  197. wolfie
    200 | November 27, 2009 1:01 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Clearly, Mr. President, Iran doesn’t give a damn about your outrage…….

    Why should they? They know damned well it’s fake.


  198. imtoast
    201 | November 27, 2009 1:02 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Tiger Woods has been in an auto accident and is in serious condition.
    http://kdka.com/national/tiger.woods.injured.2.1337175.html

    The radio said that the accident happened at 2:30 this morning but was not reported until 12 hours later. Strange incident.


  199. vagabond trader
    202 | November 27, 2009 1:03 pm

    OT: Tiger Woods released from hospital after auto accident.

    Dear lord,”Black Friday” shoppers scuffling and throwing punches all over the country competing for junk made in China.


  200. 203 | November 27, 2009 1:03 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Hmmm, from the tone of it, one might be forgiven for wondering if these two see themselves as members of the new Axis powers preparing to step up the level of violence in their war with imperialist America.

    I absolutely believe that what we are seeing is a new “axis” being formed.

    As I said the other day, they speak of “trade”, but what does Iran have that Venezuela doesn’t? Trade agreements certainly aren’t built arount Persian rugs, and they’re both awash in oil.

    What Venezuela doesn’t have that Iran does is nuclear technology.


  201. vagabond trader
    204 | November 27, 2009 1:07 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    and Hussein says “Monroe Doctrine, wasn’t that a bunch of dead old white guys who owned slaves?”


  202. eaglesoars
    205 | November 27, 2009 1:08 pm

    @ imtoast:

    The radio said that the accident happened at 2:30 this morning but was not reported until 12 hours later. Strange incident.

    Uh oh. That SCREAMS head injury.


  203. lobo91
    206 | November 27, 2009 1:10 pm

    ‘Cap and Trade Is Dead’

    So declares Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe, taking a few minutes away from a Thanksgiving retreat with his family. “Ninety-five percent of the nails were in the coffin prior to this week. Now they are all in.”

    If any politician might be qualified to offer last rites, it would be Mr. Inhofe. The top Republican on the Environment and Public Works Committee has spent the past decade in the thick of Washington’s climate fight. He’s seen the back of three cap-and-trade bills, rode herd on an overweening Environmental Protection Agency, and steadfastly insisted that global researchers were “cooking” the science behind man-made global warming.

    This week he’s looking prescient. The more than 3,000 emails and documents from the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (CRU) that have found their way to the Internet have blown the lid off the “science” of manmade global warming. CRU is a nerve center for many of those researchers who have authored the United Nations’ global warming reports and fueled the political movement to regulate carbon.

    Their correspondence show a claque of scientists massaging data to make it fit their theories, squelching scientists who disagreed, punishing academic journals that didn’t toe the apocalyptic line, and hiding their work from public view. “It’s no use pretending that this isn’t a major blow,” glumly wrote George Monbiot, a U.K. writer who has been among the fiercest warming alarmists. The documents “could scarcely be more damaging.” And that’s from a believer.

    Let’s hope he’s right…


  204. snork
    207 | November 27, 2009 1:15 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I’ve heard commies say essentially the same thing; that democracy is redundant and unnecessary under communism, because the party is by definition the representative of the interests of the people.

    Of course, the “interests” and the desires of the people aren’t the same thing. And therein lies the entire issue.


  205. 208 | November 27, 2009 1:15 pm

    goddessoftheclassroom wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    That’s one of the most beautiful things anyone has every said to me. Thank you.

    :) I thought you would understand…


  206. imtoast
    209 | November 27, 2009 1:15 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ imtoast:
    The radio said that the accident happened at 2:30 this morning but was not reported until 12 hours later. Strange incident.
    Uh oh. That SCREAMS head injury.

    I had one of those, it ain’t pretty!


  207. eaglesoars
    210 | November 27, 2009 1:15 pm

    Oh. I just remembered something. That Heidi can’t-remember-her-last-name person of the American Meteorological Assn. She who said that globular worming meteorologists sceptics should lose her accredidation.

    Boy, would I like to see HER ass booted.


  208. eaglesoars
    211 | November 27, 2009 1:17 pm

    imtoast wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    @ imtoast:
    The radio said that the accident happened at 2:30 this morning but was not reported until 12 hours later. Strange incident.
    Uh oh. That SCREAMS head injury.
    I had one of those, it ain’t pretty!

    Me too. 3 operations on the brain and a few bouts of epilepsy -- and 7 yrs of pain that almost led to suicide. Believe me, he is in my prayers.


  209. imtoast
    212 | November 27, 2009 1:19 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    imtoast wrote:
    eaglesoars wrote:
    @ imtoast:
    The radio said that the accident happened at 2:30 this morning but was not reported until 12 hours later. Strange incident.
    Uh oh. That SCREAMS head injury.
    I had one of those, it ain’t pretty!
    Me too. 3 operations on the brain and a few bouts of epilepsy – and 7 yrs of pain that almost led to suicide. Believe me, he is in my prayers.

    I’ll add you to my prayer list, I don’t think anyone realizes how devastating head injuries are. Mine was just a severe concussion, but I still have residual problems from something that happened in early April of this year. God Bless you.


  210. 213 | November 27, 2009 1:23 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Oh. I just remembered something. That Heidi can’t-remember-her-last-name person of the American Meteorological Assn. She who said that globular worming meteorologists sceptics should lose her accredidation.

    Boy, would I like to see HER ass booted.

    Closed minded thought police. Now, someone tell me this isn’t the very essence of “Liberal Fascism” (another idea that Charles would nort allow to be stated on his site).


  211. eaglesoars
    214 | November 27, 2009 1:23 pm

    @ imtoast:

    Thank you very much. But it should be a prayer of thanksgiving. Please say that eaglesoars gives thanks to God for Michael Dennis, the doctor who saved my life 3 times.


  212. eaglesoars
    215 | November 27, 2009 1:25 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Now, someone tell me this isn’t the very essence of “Liberal Fascism” (another idea that Charles would nort allow to be stated on his site).

    How the Wormtongue has turned. I remember having some very good discussions on 1.0 about that book.


  213. 216 | November 27, 2009 1:31 pm

    @ imtoast:
    @ eaglesoars:

    Well, I’ll give thanks for both of your survival and continued recovery. Having had a stroke last year and developing epilepsy, I’ve had but a glimpse of what you folks endured; the depression (which still plagues me) and constant meds. Head ills are particularly rough.

    Here’s to both of you!


  214. eaglesoars
    217 | November 27, 2009 1:41 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    If there’s anything I can help you with on the epilepsy front let me know (tell savage he has my permission to give you my email addy)

    Now everyone is home from their shopping excursions (I stayed home to babysit the dogs) and it’s time to visit with family.

    bbl


  215. 218 | November 27, 2009 1:49 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Will do. Thanks! :)


  216. 219 | November 27, 2009 1:52 pm

    OT:

    Hey, let’s keep talking about Health Care:

    Forty-nine percent (49%) of voters nationwide now rate the U.S. health care system as good or excellent. That marks a steady increase from 44% at the beginning of October, 35% in May and 29% a year-and-a-half ago.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 27% now say the U.S. health care system is poor.

    It is interesting to note that confidence in the system has improved as the debate over health care reform has moved to center stage. The latest polling shows that only 38% favor the health care legislation currently working its way through Congress.


  217. Da_Beerfreak
    220 | November 27, 2009 2:00 pm

    I’m late to the thread but I still have to put my two-cents in.

    With the true believers the 1,074 CRU emails will have exactly 0 impact on their beliefs that AGW is real and it’s going to kill us all.

    With the undecided the CRU emails may convince a few to come over to the side of truth.

    The real value of the CRU emails is that they show that AGW is a pile of political bull crap and how the current peer review process is a scam that is being played like a cheap ukulele. ‘Science’ in this context is being used only to deceive the (way too many) scientifically illiterate.

    We have not yet won the AGW war and we are not even close to the end of the current battle. But with the CRU emails we have received some much-welcomed reinforcements to our cause and have cast doubt into the minds of the undecided.

    This is not the end of the AGW war. This is not even the beginning of the end. But it may well be the end of the beginning.


  218. Doppelganger
    221 | November 27, 2009 2:11 pm

    AGW= Artificial Global Warming


  219. Doppelganger
    222 | November 27, 2009 2:11 pm

    AGW= Another Grant-Generating Whopper


  220. Doppelganger
    223 | November 27, 2009 2:12 pm

    AGW = Al Gore’s Windfall


  221. 224 | November 27, 2009 2:16 pm

    @ Doppelganger:
    @ Doppelganger:
    @ Doppelganger:

    Another Government Whopper?


  222. snork
    225 | November 27, 2009 2:18 pm

    Ow.


  223. wolfie
    226 | November 27, 2009 2:26 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Well said!


  224. wolfie
    227 | November 27, 2009 2:35 pm

    @ snork:

    Sweet!


  225. Da_Beerfreak
    228 | November 27, 2009 2:45 pm

    @ wolfie:
    Thanks :grin:


  226. bluliner10
    229 | November 27, 2009 2:59 pm

    Not exactly the UFC here…

    Fantasies of violence against prominent Climate Sceptic scientists:

    Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I’ll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted.

    Two scientists in a fight hahahahahahaha Hope you all had a Great Thanksgiving!


  227. exploding toe
    230 | November 27, 2009 3:18 pm

    I had left LGF as a frwquent poster quite a long time ago, and posted a handful of times over the last six months, because of CJ’s drivel about AGW, creationism, and more shit he didn’t know fuck-all about.

    I left my nic there, too. Ta-ta, Chucky. Starting fresh with people that actually have more than two functioning brain cells.


  228. imtoast
    231 | November 27, 2009 3:20 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ imtoast:
    @ eaglesoars:
    Well, I’ll give thanks for both of your survival and continued recovery. Having had a stroke last year and developing epilepsy, I’ve had but a glimpse of what you folks endured; the depression (which still plagues me) and constant meds. Head ills are particularly rough.
    Here’s to both of you!

    Thank you, all prayers are appreciated.


  229. goddessoftheclassroom
    232 | November 27, 2009 3:29 pm

    @ exploding toe:
    “No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.”

    Charles doesn’t seem to care about his community as individuals, at least not those of us he spuriously banned.


  230. eaglesoars
    233 | November 27, 2009 3:58 pm

    Apparently, George Monbiot wants back inside the church.

    This is from an aussie paper dated Nov 28 2009

    There is no point in denying it: we’re losing. Climate change denial is spreading like a contagious disease. It exists in a sphere that cannot be reached by evidence or reasoned argument; any attempt to draw attention to scientific findings is greeted with furious invective. This sphere is expanding with astonishing speed.

    [ ]

    The debate about global warming that is raging on the internet and in the right-wing press does not reflect any such debate in the scientific journals.

    An American scientist I know suggests that these books and websites cater to a new literary market: people with room-temperature IQs. He didn’t say whether he meant Fahrenheit or Centigrade. But this can’t be the whole story. Plenty of intelligent people have also declared themselves sceptics.

    [ ]

    Had he bothered to take a look at the quality of the evidence on either side of this media debate, and the nature of the opposing armies -- climate scientists on one side, right-wing bloggers on the other -- he, too, might have realised that the science is in. In, at any rate, to the extent that science can ever be, which is to say that the evidence for man-made global warming is as strong as the evidence for Darwinian evolution, or for the link between smoking and lung cancer.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/grim-reapers-role-in-climate-change-denial-20091127-jwrh.html


  231. eaglesoars
    234 | November 27, 2009 4:15 pm

    For your bookmarks:

    Here is the document that will be presented at Copenhagen. It is all about global governance and wealth redistribution (pdf file -- 181 pages).

    http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/un-fccc-copenhagen-2009.pdf

    And in case you missed the new president of the EU, von Rompuy giving his inaugural address, here’s the video

    http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/new-eu-president-confirms-new-world-order-desire-19nov09/17989978

    about 2 mins in he talks about ‘furthering global governance’


  232. snork
    235 | November 27, 2009 4:32 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    I think you just outed LVQ. Except LVQ has yet to say anything that leads me to believe that he knows a neutron from a futon.


  233. yah
    236 | November 27, 2009 4:36 pm

    Anybody with a grain of common sense new man caused GW was a bunch of bunk from the get go. I have no respect left for scientists -- in any field.


  234. snork
    237 | November 27, 2009 4:40 pm

    This is kind of giggly:

    Climategate e-mails sweep America, may scuttle Barack Obama’s Cap and Trade laws

    Just a few considerations in addition to previous remarks about the explosion of the East Anglia Climategate e-mails in America. The reaction is growing exponentially there. Fox News, Barack Obama’s Nemesis, is now on the case, trampling all over Al Gore’s organic vegetable patch and breaking the White House windows. It has extracted some of the juiciest quotes from the e-mails and displayed them on-screen, with commentaries. Joe Public, coast-to-coast, now knows, thanks to the clowns at East Anglia’s CRU, just how royally he has been screwed.

    Etc.


  235. snork
    238 | November 27, 2009 4:43 pm

    And this is for Chuckles, the dancing climatologist, from the original “moonbat”:

    Pretending the climate email leak isn’t a crisis won’t make it go away

    Listen to the ‘bat, Chuck. Don’t be a climategate denier.


  236. yah
    239 | November 27, 2009 4:45 pm

    @ snork:
    Facts mean nothing to INSANE people.


  237. snork
    240 | November 27, 2009 4:47 pm

    And finally, talk about late to the party:


    Time is up for short-term thinking in capitalism
    by ManBearPig.

    This is so ludicrous, it’s ludicrous.


  238. 241 | November 27, 2009 4:59 pm

    @ snork:
    Does that mean the good old fashioned light bulb is saved?


  239. lobo91
    242 | November 27, 2009 5:00 pm

    @ snork:

    I love this bit:

    When it comes to his handling of Freedom of Information requests, Professor Jones might struggle even to use a technical defence. If you take the wording literally, in one case he appears to be suggesting that emails subject to a request be deleted, which means that he seems to be advocating potentially criminal activity. Even if no other message had been hacked, this would be sufficient to ensure his resignation as head of the unit.

    “If you take the wording literally?”

    It was in an email, written in plain English. No secret codes, no metaphors.

    The only way it can be taken is literally, jackass.


  240. exploding toe
    243 | November 27, 2009 5:00 pm

    @ goddessoftheclassroom:

    I wasn’t going to give him the satisfaction of banning me. I just said “screw it!” and left. Far too much rampant stupidity over there anymore. Glad I left!


  241. snork
    244 | November 27, 2009 5:17 pm

    Guess who else is at the CRU?

    The more rocks you turn over, the more creepy creatures you find. Not only is John Holdren, the Naziesque Eugenicist, tied in with this bunch, but listen to this guy:

    Self-evidently dangerous climate change will not emerge from a normal scientific process of truth seeking.

    Lovely people. NOT!


  242. eaglesoars
    245 | November 27, 2009 5:23 pm

    @ snork:

    Good god. email the admins and have them update the front page.


  243. eaglesoars
    246 | November 27, 2009 5:28 pm

    @ snork:

    Self-evidently dangerous climate change will not emerge from a normal scientific process of truth seeking.

    I get it. Belief in dangerous climate change is an act of faith.


  244. Aussie Infidel
    247 | November 27, 2009 8:01 pm

    Looks a if there will be daggers drawn in the Liberal Party caucus rooms this weekend in Oz. The small ‘l’ Liberal (big L and supposed conservative party in Oz) Party leader Turnbull will be dog tucker (dog meat) by Tuesday. Then the opposition Liberal (conservative) party can get busy ridding itself of the rest of the PC leftists and social progressive MPs who infiltrated the party over the past 20 years and attempted to turn the Liberal Party into a socialist-lite party of the left. The LINOs (Liberals in name only) socialist-lite scum can then scuttle back to their Labor (socialist) Party mates crying crocodile tears about how those nasty conservatives kicked them out of the party.

    No doubt there will be a double dissolution of both the Senate AND House of Representatives early next year and the socialist Labour Party will capture both houses (but who knows) There will however be a true conservative opposition from which real and stinging attacks on the socialist left will be mounted and as the Aussie economy goes belly up under the twin assaults of ETS and increased taxes.

    Then the Australian people will have a true alternative to socialists and socialist-lite parties which was really no choice at all.

    Now is the time for you yanks to do the same and see off the RINOs in the Republican party and offer a RERAL alternative to the socialist cant that ozzes from Obama and Co.


  245. orangecrush
    248 | November 27, 2009 8:27 pm

    @ 44 Opilio:

    It speaks volumes that charles will say this about the right when it really moreso applies to the left. He has a huge blind spot cooling his ass here. Cognitive dissonance. charles does not want to take the time anymore to reevaluate the errors in his overly rigid and overly broad assumptions. He is in full alinsky mode now. His thinking no longer can bear the weight of scientific argument and fact.


  246. orangecrush
    249 | November 27, 2009 8:30 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    The type of skullduggery going on with Global Warming scientists and people like Charles at 1.0 is extremely bad for the average persons confidence in science. They are creating an unhealthy climate for science.


  247. snork
    250 | November 27, 2009 9:13 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    Then the opposition Liberal (conservative) party can get busy ridding itself of the rest of the PC leftists and social progressive MPs who infiltrated the party over the past 20 years and attempted to turn the Liberal Party into a socialist-lite party of the left.

    Dood. I’m sure glad we Yanqs don’t have that kind of problem with our Republican party. No siree Rickey. They’re all free-market conservatives. ‘Cept for the ones that aren’t.


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