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Minarets: A Symbol of Imperialism and Colonialism

by Rodan ( 306 Comments › )
Filed under Europe, Islamic Invasion, Islamic Supremacism, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Progressives, Sharia (Islamic Law) at November 30th, 2009 - 3:22 pm

The Swiss resistance have rejected the imposition of colonial symbols in their nation. As usual Progressive collaborators are complaining about this brave act. What people don’t tell you is about the Imperialist origins of the Minaret. It is designed to impose Arabic-Islamic supremacy over conquered people. It has nothing to do with their cult or their fake moon god. An example is the Haga Sofia, which fell to Genocidal Arabist Turkish forces in 1453. Minarets were imposed on the Roman Cathedral to celebrate the triumph of the Empire. This was but just one example, there are others.

hagia-sophia

The building of new mosques has become an issue throughout European cities, from Munich to London. In some places, such as Italy, Switzerland and Greece, governments have struggled to prevent their erection. Yet while there is controversy over their very construction, there is usually very little questioning about why they are built where they are built.

A survey of historical placement of mosques in important cities and newly conquered Muslim lands, as well as a survey of the placement of mosques in diverse neighborhoods, shows that their placement is anything but random and that strikingly often they are built next to the houses of prayer or the neighborhoods of non-Muslims.

Across the Middle East and the Muslim world the existence of the minaret is taken for granted. Sometimes square and stout as they are in North Africa, or tall, skinny and cylindrical as they are in Turkey and Eastern Europe, they are the symbol of the Muslim world. Yet their commonness leads people to take them for granted.

Read the rest.

Dome of the Rock

Minarets are nothing more than Colonial Imperial symbols. If the Imperialist wish to worship their so called god, they can do so without causing noise pollution. Hopefully what happened in Switzerland is a sign that there is a Global Resistance against The Arabic-Islamo Empire. They are assisted by the Progressive collaborators. These traitors demonized the Serb resistance in the 90′s and bombed them. Let us stand by the Swiss people and let them know, there are other who will support them.

I urge all Blogmocracy Netizens to buy Swiss products. They deserve our support in their resistance against Imperialism and Colonialism. Hopefully, one day we can ban minarets here in America as well!

(Hat Tip: WrathofG-d)

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  1. 1 | November 30, 2009 3:27 pm

    Well, well well…minarets placed as a Imperialism statute on top of the Temple Mount as well.

    Another aspect of this Imperialism, submission tactic, and minaret building is the fact that in many non-Muslim countries these minarets are used to blast out the Islamic “call to prayer” across the non-muslim cities and piercing uninvited into the residents homes, synagogues, churches, restaurants, etc.

    In Israel, they are fighting back against this. MK Leads Fight Against Noisy Muezzins


  2. snork
    2 | November 30, 2009 3:36 pm

    And they’re phallic symbols, at least according to the feministas…


  3. 3 | November 30, 2009 3:38 pm

    @ snork:

    From your linked article, did you see this quote?

    “It’s a dirty campaign,” said Mutalip Karaademi, an Albanian who leads Langenthal’s small Muslim community. “They’re trying to provoke us.”

    How long till the riots, murder, violence, and claims of humiliation, and offense to shmAllah begin?


  4. AndyMacOP
    4 | November 30, 2009 3:44 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    5, 4, 3, 2, 1…


  5. chickadee
    5 | November 30, 2009 3:46 pm

    I hope Switzerland’s decision to ban these structures inspires other countries in Europe to do the same.
    Sometimes it just takes one courageous country or person to inspire the crowd to step up and force the aggressor to STFU and cease and desist. The next move should be stopping Muslim immigration. There are enough of them invading and refusing to assimilate. For the most part they do not make good citizens.
    Who needs the enclaves of hostility they produce where ever they go.


  6. 6 | November 30, 2009 3:48 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Riots are why God made riotguns. We need to understand that there is no peaceful solution to the Mohammedan problem. There will be violence, the Mohammedans will see to that. They’ve been doing that for centuries. The question is how will we respond to them?


  7. snork
    7 | November 30, 2009 3:49 pm

    If the feministas are right, the architects must study at the Dildo Institute of Minaret Design.


  8. 8 | November 30, 2009 3:50 pm

    All my watches are Swiss Army. Luggage too.


  9. Nikis Knight
    9 | November 30, 2009 3:50 pm

    Islam has a political–and totalitarian at that–component at least as strong as the spiritual component. Perhaps numerically more muslims adhere to their faith for the spiritual solace but the political ideology Rodan aptly identifies as imperialistic is more influential from what I see.

    Banning something seen as a religion or with a religious aspect is not something to be done lightly, and certainly won’t be done lightly if at all here, but the inextricable supremecist imperial aspect of Islam needs to be slapped down repeatedly as it is trying rather systematically, if in places gradually, to dominate the world through cultural usurption and intimidation.

    So I support this move, and will be pleased to see if some in Europe actually follow democratic results, rather than persue a predetermined agenda (i.e., the EU).


  10. m
    10 | November 30, 2009 3:50 pm

    @ snork:

    Wow. Feminists talking about the oppression of women in islam. It’s about dang time!

    “If we ban the minarets, that won’t help communication between us,” said Thomas Ruefener, the mayor of Langenthal. “And immigration will continue all the same.”

    Wuss.


  11. 11 | November 30, 2009 3:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The question is how will we respond to them?

    Yes, that is exactly the question. But the ? isn’t only in the “how”, but the “we”.


  12. 12 | November 30, 2009 3:55 pm

    @ m:

    Why will immigration (of Mohammedans) continue? Does Switzerland not have the right to determine who may immigrate? That would seem to be the next logical step to me. A polite but firm “You are not invited” should be sufficient.


  13. 13 | November 30, 2009 3:55 pm

    Other than the cows being tortured, notice what is glowing green, and towering over the non-Muslim neighborhoods of Israel’s Capitol, and Judaism’s holiest city. In that quick pan, I counted 6 minarets.

    Imperialist Islam permeating every crevice of Judaism’s holiest city! Disgusting.

    Allah Akbar (Allah is a RAT) indeed!


  14. calcajun
    14 | November 30, 2009 3:57 pm

    snork wrote:

    And they’re phallic symbols, at least according to the feministas…

    If that’s the case, then the whole Muslim religion is “compensating” for something.

    Seriously, it goes to the issue of height and dominance– non-muslims cannot typically have houses taller than muslims in some parts of the muslim world.


  15. Truck Monkey
    15 | November 30, 2009 3:58 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    Sounds like ghost soundtracks from Scooby Doo. How stupid are these Mohammedans that they do not know when to go and pray?


  16. m
    16 | November 30, 2009 4:00 pm

    @ Truck Monkey:

    Sounds like ghost soundtracks from Scooby Doo.

    Or a wailing cat.

    Which lgf’er was it that said the call to prayer was “hauntingly beautiful”? I bet they’d change their opinion if it was blasting down the street from their house.


  17. father_of_10
    17 | November 30, 2009 4:01 pm

    I have a hard time restricting religions from building their houses of worship. The MOrmons bought land aand were slated to build a new temple. The local Catholic church objected to the location shortly before the ground breaking because it was within eyesight of a Catholic cathedral, so the Mormon Church called off the start and began ,looking for another sight, even thought they owned the land and had ALL of the necessary legal clearances to build their temple. Mormon temples are known to be beautiful property value enhancers.

    LOOK HERE
    and Here for pictures


  18. chickadee
    18 | November 30, 2009 4:02 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    @ snork:

    From your linked article, did you see this quote?

    “It’s a dirty campaign,” said Mutalip Karaademi, an Albanian who leads Langenthal’s small Muslim community. “They’re trying to provoke us.”

    How long till the riots, murder, violence, and claims of humiliation, and offense to shmAllah begin?

    The whole time they are the aggressor, they play the victim.
    That isn’t going to work well in Switzerland. They rely on quaint towns, villages and a lovely countryside to bring in tourism. They do not want their pristine beautiful country sullied by ROP squalor.


  19. father_of_10
    19 | November 30, 2009 4:03 pm

    Sorry for the missing words in my temple post. It was in Honduras. Here is a link about it.


  20. 20 | November 30, 2009 4:04 pm

    @ Truck Monkey:

    The loud, public call to prayer is saved for non-muslim countries. In Turkey, there is a “quiet” radio station that you leave on all day and it is silent until it is time to be called to pray to the moon idol.

    The public ‘call to prayer’ has nothing to do with calling Muslims to pray, and everything to do with Submission of the surrounding non-muslim neighborhoods.


  21. myselfandi
    21 | November 30, 2009 4:08 pm

    snork wrote:

    And they’re phallic symbols, at least according to the feministas…

    the tall narrow ones are phallic, the squat round ones are boobies.


  22. BuddyG
    22 | November 30, 2009 4:09 pm

    “Drop your bombs between the minarets
    Down the Casbah way”

    /Rock the Casbah by the Clash

    In 1982, I graduated high school and this song came out.
    I remember wondering “what are minarets?”

    Anyway, good for Switzerland on their decision to discard minarets.


  23. m
    23 | November 30, 2009 4:09 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    Yeah, but they don’t squish a cat while holding it up to a PA system 5 times a day.


  24. goddessoftheclassroom
    24 | November 30, 2009 4:12 pm

    @ BuddyG:
    I’m a member of the class of ’82, too!


  25. 25 | November 30, 2009 4:12 pm

    It is ironic that such a fuss is undoubtedly going to be made about this law to not allow a certain type of building (we are talking minarets not mosque banning) while the World is completely silent on the fact that Muslims don’t allow any actual non-muslim human beings into Mecca or Medina.

    This is so similar to the stupid World response to Jewish buildings vs. Muslim homocide – they concentrate on the Jewish building.


  26. vagabond trader
    26 | November 30, 2009 4:13 pm

    @ m:

    That was kkktrout and a couple of cjs token Jews, names escape me.

    It should be interesting to observe the muzz reaction to the Swiss ban considering that many Swiss households have firearms at the ready.Quite unusual in Europa.


  27. 27 | November 30, 2009 4:13 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    You are correct. We already see that America and Israel are nearly alone in standing up to the Mohammedans. The Swiss ban on minerets is nice as a symbolic gesture, but it is only one small step. For that matter, there is little the Swiss can do outside of defending their homeland. To paraphrase a great progressive, how many aircraft carrier battlegroups does Switzerland have?

    Even with America and Israel there are serious questions about how we will handle the situation. Bush was too merciful following 9-11. Worse, Obama is showing weakness in Afghanistan. He doesn’t want victory, he just wants out. No doubt the Taliban will be happy to help him do that. With Obama, nothing is certain. America may abandon Israel and leave her for the wolves of Iran and Syria. That is a serious possibility.

    The Mohammedans may even bring the fight back to these shores. Obama won’t treat that as an act of war, but a police matter, kind of like a mugging or gang-banger homicide. Given our success with that to date, I don’t see that as a credible deterrent.

    Worst case, the “we” is you and I and others who defend themselves and their homes singly or in group of varrying degrees of organization. Things will be very bad if that scenario comes to pass, but the possibility of it can’t be ignored.


  28. Silhouette
    28 | November 30, 2009 4:14 pm

    An example is the Haga Sofia, which fell to Genocidal Arabist Turkish forces in 1453

    I keep a nice drawing of the Haga Sofia, pre-islam, up in my office. I doubt anyone has any idea I’m making my own little stand here, but what the hey.


  29. goddessoftheclassroom
    29 | November 30, 2009 4:16 pm

    Good night, y’all. Take care.


  30. myselfandi
    30 | November 30, 2009 4:16 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I have a hard time restricting religions from building their houses of worship. The MOrmons bought land aand were slated to build a new temple. The local Catholic church objected to the location shortly before the ground breaking because it was within eyesight of a Catholic cathedral, so the Mormon Church called off the start and began ,looking for another sight, even thought they owned the land and had ALL of the necessary legal clearances to build their temple. Mormon temples are known to be beautiful property value enhancers.
    LOOK HERE
    and Here for pictures

    Where was this temple you are speaking of? As many Catholic cathedrals are now historical points in historical neighborhoods, it may not have just been the Catholic church which fought the building. I lifed in a brownstone across the street from a cathedral and I don’t think the mormons who owned the building would have been for putting up a temple within a block or two because it would denigrated the property values of an historical area of town.

    Since you show no link, I cannot say whether you have all of the facts but you should check on the urban myth of something like that.

    And yes, there are some very beautiful Mormon Temples. BUT, if the Catholic church bought Zions bank in SLC and wanted to tear it down and build a Cathedral, would you think it was rude of them? I would and I am Catholic. I think it would be very tacky. and stupid. and not nice.


  31. Silhouette
    31 | November 30, 2009 4:17 pm

    “Hmmm, they aren’t letting us build in-your-face symbols of dominance all over and submitting to us.”

    “They’re trying to provoke us.”


  32. 32 | November 30, 2009 4:17 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Worst case, the “we” is you and I and others who defend themselves and their homes singly or in group of varrying degrees of organization. Things will be very bad if that scenario comes to pass, but the possibility of it can’t be ignored.

    I have feared for a long time now that to fight a group of individuals who have shaken off their State involvement, it would take other groups of individuals who have shaken off their State involvement. I’m not sure it is presently necessary, but I fear we will get to a point when we can no longer depend on our passive, PC Government.

    This thought crossed my mind this Sunday as I sat in my living room, cleaning my guns listening to Israeli music, after doing morning prayers – I am a liberals worst nightmare. :)


  33. 33 | November 30, 2009 4:18 pm

    Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran
    Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb,
    Bomb Iran
    Let’s take a stand
    Bomb Iran
    Our country’s got a feelin’
    Really hit the ceilin’, bomb Iran
    Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran

    Went to a mosque, gonna throw some rocks
    Tell the Ayatollah, “Gonna put you in a box!”
    Bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb,
    Bomb Iran
    Our country’s got a feelin’
    Really hit the ceilin’, bomb Iran
    Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran

    Ol’ Uncle Sam’s gettin’ pretty hot
    Time to turn Iran into a parking lot
    Bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb,
    Bomb Iran
    Our country’s got a feelin’
    Really hit the ceilin’, bomb Iran
    Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran

    Call the volunteers; call the bombadiers;
    Call the financiers; better get their *** in gear
    Bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb,
    Bomb Iran
    Our country’s got a feelin’
    Really hit the ceilin’, bomb Iran
    Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran
    (Let’s nuke ‘em! Whoo!)

    Call on our allies to cut off their supplies
    Get our hands untied, and bring em’ back alive
    Bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb,
    Bomb Iran
    Our country’s got a feelin’
    Really hit the ceilin’, bomb Iran
    Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran

    Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran
    Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb,
    Bomb Iran
    Let’s take a stand
    Bomb Iran
    Our people you been stealin’
    Now it’s time for keelin’, bomb Iran
    Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran

    That was one of the few highlights of McCain’s campaign when he started singing that…


  34. vagabond trader
    34 | November 30, 2009 4:19 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Power and Control just like their progressive allies.


  35. refugee000
    35 | November 30, 2009 4:22 pm

    m wrote:

    @ Truck Monkey:

    Which lgf’er was it that said the call to prayer was “hauntingly beautiful”? I bet they’d change their opinion if it was blasting down the street from their house.

    Not a chance. The current LGF would welcome minarets as a blow against “right wing rascism”.


  36. chickadee
    36 | November 30, 2009 4:22 pm

    m wrote:

    @ snork:

    Wow. Feminists talking about the oppression of women in islam. It’s about dang time!
    “If we ban the minarets, that won’t help communication between us,” said Thomas Ruefener, the mayor of Langenthal. “And immigration will continue all the same.”
    Wuss.

    European people are getting tired of their corrupt politicians who are being bought by Muslim cash. People will start pushing back on their own as the Muslims become more aggressive. Politicians can’t just continue to babble P.C. stupidity and expect citizens to go along with it. It is obvious what the Muslims are doing. People are seeing it on the local level everywhere in Europe. They sense the danger from these crude interlopers. I really applaud Switzerland for pushing back.
    I hope it is the beginning of a trend everywhere.


  37. refugee000
    37 | November 30, 2009 4:23 pm

    refugee000 wrote:

    m wrote:

    Not a chance. The current LGF would welcome minarets as a blow against “right wing rascism”.

    LOL…”Fascism”

    There really needs to be a pre-posting review here to catch stupid typos.


  38. 38 | November 30, 2009 4:23 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    When I was deployed we used it as a call to dinner. You didn’t want to be caught walking around by the “mutts”. Didn’t want to hurt their feelings by shoving their clubs up their primitive asses. All non-muzzies would look for the nearest dining establishment during the catcall.


  39. 39 | November 30, 2009 4:27 pm

    @ Mars:

    What Country(ies)?


  40. Silhouette
    40 | November 30, 2009 4:28 pm

    I like to remember little things, like that the croissant/crescent roll was invented in Vienna to celebrate the victory over Islam in 1683. We ate two victorious tubes this past Thanksgiving. I think I’ll get a Croissandwich at BK tomorrow.


  41. snork
    41 | November 30, 2009 4:28 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    What’s funnier than hell is when the roosters start chiming in.


  42. 42 | November 30, 2009 4:30 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Saudi and Kuwait. Saudi was a lot more serious about it.


  43. chickadee
    43 | November 30, 2009 4:31 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    @ Truck Monkey:

    The loud, public call to prayer is saved for non-muslim countries. In Turkey, there is a “quiet” radio station that you leave on all day and it is silent until it is time to be called to pray to the moon idol.

    The public ‘call to prayer’ has nothing to do with calling Muslims to pray, and everything to do with Submission of the surrounding non-muslim neighborhoods.

    It is such a hideous noise. So intrusive and obnoxious. It is part of their stealth jihad tactics. A constant reminder that they are present, ready and waiting. Until they can actually dominate with the next step. Violence. It should be easy to get this bellowing banned by noise ordinances.


  44. 44 | November 30, 2009 4:31 pm

    OMG! people! check out the comments by Icarus on WattsUpWithThat.


  45. 45 | November 30, 2009 4:32 pm

    @ snork:

    Another ironic point about this ‘call to submission’ is that the same people who will come out in support of it (the useful infidels) are the same that try to remove the Pledge of Allegiance from society, and would have a heart attack if the U.S. did the same thing but with patriotic songs.


  46. buzzsawmonkey
    46 | November 30, 2009 4:33 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    Another ironic point about this ‘call to submission’ is that the same people who will come out in support of it (the useful infidels) are the same that try to remove the Pledge of Allegiance from society, and would have a heart attack if the U.S. did the same thing but with patriotic songs.

    Good point. Interesting how the whole “one nation under G-d” thing makes ‘em break out in hives when the “one world under Allah” thing does not.


  47. wolfie
    47 | November 30, 2009 4:33 pm

    The multi-cult religion preaches that all cultures have a right to self-preservation —-except for Western ones.

    The results of the Swiss plebiscite are encouraging, but only 58% voted for the ban. And Europeans are excoriating the Swiss for being raaaaaaaaaaacists. Even the Vatican issued a statement criticizing the ban…….(which I take to be proof positive that Benedict has indeed gone senile, as rumor has it.)


  48. buzzsawmonkey
    48 | November 30, 2009 4:35 pm

    @ wolfie:

    The depths to which the multiculti mind-rot has penetrated this country continue to amaze me.


  49. Silhouette
    49 | November 30, 2009 4:35 pm

    @ snork:

    Long live the Gaza Rooster.


  50. m
    50 | November 30, 2009 4:38 pm

    @ chickadee:

    They’re” saying no.

    Swiss minaret vote unlikely to be copied in Europe

    PARIS (Reuters) – Switzerland’s vote to ban minarets is the blunt expression of wider worries about Islam in Europe, but the typically Swiss option of holding a national debate and referendum on them looks unlikely to be repeated elsewhere.

    Of course not. Proggies can’t let it happen. People say one thing to the pollsters and do something else.

    On Sunday, 57.5% of Swiss voters approved the ban, a complete reverse of what polls showed only two weeks before.


  51. BuddyG
    51 | November 30, 2009 4:38 pm

    @ goddessoftheclassroom:

    Here’s the jukebox for 1982.

    Sheesh, it doesn’t feel like it was that long ago!


  52. snork
    52 | November 30, 2009 4:38 pm

    @ Kirly:

    I saw that. I was going to tell Rodan. Yeah, that’s funny.


  53. m
    53 | November 30, 2009 4:39 pm

    @ refugee000:

    Cj throws his “isms” around so much, who knows anymore?


  54. Abu Bin Squid
    54 | November 30, 2009 4:39 pm

    @ Kirly:
    Are we sure this is Nancy? I just checked out 1.0 and I swear Andy Sullivan is guest blogging. Huckabee is a Theocrat! Racism everywhere. An ad using the 3 monkeys, hear, see, and speak no evil is racist. How? If that’s the caase than Darwin was a racist. Should we eliminate using monkeys because Obama is (half)black? Bending over for everything P.C.

    What a decline in just a few years. Back to hippy square-one.


  55. snork
    55 | November 30, 2009 4:40 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Because, just like von Hindenburg thought he could control the guy with the Charlie Chaplin mustache…


  56. buzzsawmonkey
    56 | November 30, 2009 4:41 pm

    Silhouette wrote:

    Long live the Gaza Rooster.

    There’s a rooster lives a life of danger

    In Gaza he tries to stay out of range-er

    With each crow he risks–you bet–

    Being made into a croquette
    
Odds are he won’t live to see tomorrow
    
He’s the rooster jammed
    
By the Gaza-Cam

    He’s braved so many explosions

    That he puts Hamas to shame


  57. snork
    57 | November 30, 2009 4:41 pm

    @ Abu Bin Squid:

    No, it’s no Nancy. It might be LVQ, though.


  58. 58 | November 30, 2009 4:41 pm

    When proud Jews fight fire with fire against the noisy Muslim racket: (posted earlier today by “Eliana” from this article)

    Baruch Marzel of Hevron recently told Arutz-7 that he found a unique way of dealing with the problem: “The local mosques received money from Saudi Arabia to buy high-quality loudspeakers, which for some reason they directed straight at my window. So I went out and rented some loudspeakers myself, and played Shlomo Carlebach and Mordechai Ben-David – quality music – right back at them. The Civil Administration came and asked me to lower it, and I said I would – as soon as they turn down their own. And they did!

    “I know that in Tel Aviv and elsewhere they also suffer from this noise,” Marzel said, “but there, they are afraid to do something that will offend ‘holy Islam.’ If they want to suffer, let them; we plan to fight.”

    That last paragraph there is a wonderful zinger! (Tel Aviv is sort of Israel’s San Francisco)


  59. wolfie
    59 | November 30, 2009 4:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The depths to which the multiculti mind-rot has penetrated this country continue to amaze me.

    Me too.

    I think the long march through the institutions of the baby-boomer left has done us in.

    And we may be well past the point where anyone can say “Sez who?”, as you put it, without getting lined up against a wall and shot—figuratively speaking.


  60. mawskrat
    60 | November 30, 2009 4:43 pm

    j is now a god
    …………………………………………………………….

    Stuart Leviton
    Mon, Nov 30, 2009 4:15:20pm replyquote 0downupreport

    Charles, blessings to you for your impressive act of grace towards d–g earlier.


  61. 61 | November 30, 2009 4:43 pm

    @ Abu Bin Squid:
    i genuinely believe it might be CFnJ! note the short snarky I’m so superior to you comments linking to what he thinks are authorities. what an idiot! they’ve all been shown to be frauds and he’s in denial.


  62. snork
    62 | November 30, 2009 4:43 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Secret… rooster cock,
    Secret… rooster cock,
    They’re taking away your voicebox,
    And replacing it with a clock…


  63. Silhouette
    63 | November 30, 2009 4:43 pm

    m wrote:

    a complete reverse of what polls showed only two weeks before

    Ah-ha! Were Diebold machines used?????

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KEE411A.html

    One of the clear indicators of massive electoral fraud was the wide divergence, both nationally and in swing states, between exit poll results and the reported vote tallies.

    Clear indicators. Because if polls and actual results don’t match, the fault, dear Brutus, is in the actual results.


  64. buzzsawmonkey
    64 | November 30, 2009 4:44 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    And we may be well past the point where anyone can say “Sez who?”, as you put it, without getting lined up against a wall and shot—figuratively speaking.

    That’s “Oh, yeah? Sez you!

    And I plan to keep saying it, as appropriate, until they line me up against that wall.


  65. Nevergiveup
    65 | November 30, 2009 4:45 pm

    Mansour told the General Assembly Israel has intensified its efforts to “Judaize” Jerusalem, adding that this policy culminated with what he said were excavations under and around the Al-Aqsa Mosque and granting “Zealous Jews” permission to enter the holy site in the capital’s Old City
    He said these acts may add a dangerous religious element to the conflict.

    However, Mansour stressed that the Palestinians were committed to peace as a strategic choice.

    “Judaize” Jerusalem? Hey pal Jerusalem is, was, and will always be Jewish. Get used to it.


  66. m
    66 | November 30, 2009 4:46 pm

    @ Kirly:

    Ha! I like how they turned the tables with “Climate Dementors”.

    @ Abu Bin Squid:

    It’s racist to cj because he himself equates monkeys with black people.

    If you don’t, the thing isn’t racist.
    If you do, well there ya go…

    Cj’s projecting. “HOW DARE THEY?!”


  67. wolfie
    67 | November 30, 2009 4:47 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    ROFL!

    By the way, for ages and ages I thought Johnny Rivers was saying “Secret Asian Man.”


  68. snork
    68 | November 30, 2009 4:47 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Minarets, they make those narly noises,
    Down in the mosque, the imam does the boyses,
    That’s why they wail that way,
    But they say they’re not gay,
    Odds are he’ll get AIDS before tomorrow


  69. 69 | November 30, 2009 4:48 pm

    @ mawskrat:

    It is really sad how much people chose to miss out in life by denying the existence of G-d, and His true blessings.

    They can mock, and chortle all they want, but they are living an incomplete life.

    It is like only hearing 1 instrument in a orchestra, and laughing at those who tell you there are many more if you just chose to hear them.


  70. 70 | November 30, 2009 4:48 pm

    @ m:

    “Climate Dementors”

    OMG! hilarious!


  71. 71 | November 30, 2009 4:48 pm

    @ Abu Bin Squid:

    What a decline in just a few years. Back to hippy square-one.

    I was reading but not posting at LGF before 9-11. I was a web developer at the time and sometimes Charles would have a tip or trick worth bothering with. This “Charles” is way worse than the Charles back then. I guess watching his site grow grew his ego along with it. He is beyond help now.


  72. 72 | November 30, 2009 4:50 pm

    A surprisingly rare show of resistance from Europe. For their sakes, and ours, I hope the other countries there take notice and stop pussy-footing around.


  73. 73 | November 30, 2009 4:51 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    He said these acts may add a dangerous religious element to the conflict.

    So says the people who do not allow anyone but Muslims to pray on the Temple Mount, deny any Jewish connection to Jerusalem, and won’t allow any non-Muslims (excluding <1% [and shrinking] Christian Arabs) live in their desired Country.

    Yea, no “religious” context in this conflict yet! /


  74. mawskrat
    74 | November 30, 2009 4:52 pm

    BuddyG wrote:

    @ goddessoftheclassroom:
    Here’s the jukebox for 1982.
    Sheesh, it doesn’t feel like it was that long ago!

    ///you call that music. here is a hit from the 70′s.lol


  75. 75 | November 30, 2009 4:52 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Hoy, great to see you UI.


  76. 76 | November 30, 2009 4:53 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    It’s those damned Amish again!


  77. Silhouette
    77 | November 30, 2009 4:54 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    He said these acts may add a dangerous religious element to the conflict.
    However, Mansour stressed that the Palestinians were committed to peace as a strategic choice.

    Youse gotta nice city here. Be a real shame ifin summin wuz to happen to it. Now me, being a peaceful man, I really hope you do da right ting.


  78. 78 | November 30, 2009 4:54 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Hellooo, Wrath!


  79. 79 | November 30, 2009 4:57 pm

    @ wolfie:

    I think the long march through the institutions of the baby-boomer left has done us in.

    Pleases tell me the generation that their professors came from.


  80. Nevergiveup
    80 | November 30, 2009 4:58 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    He said these acts may add a dangerous religious element to the conflict.

    So says the people who do not allow anyone but Muslims to pray on the Temple Mount, deny any Jewish connection to Jerusalem, and won’t allow any non-Muslims (excluding <1% [and shrinking] Christian Arabs) live in their desired Country.

    Yea, no “religious” context in this conflict yet! /

    It is amazing the crap they let these pigs spew.


  81. danrudy
    81 | November 30, 2009 4:59 pm

    Michelle Malkin, talking about a President’s putative “mandate”

    The Declaration of Independence states that governments derive “their just powers from the consent of the governed.” The American understanding of democracy does not envision voters as slaves who enjoy the privilege of voting for a new master every few years. When the Declaration speaks of the right – and, later the duty – of the people to abolish tyrannical governments, it renders the notion of “mandates” to impose radical change on unwilling citizens absurd.


  82. buzzsawmonkey
    82 | November 30, 2009 5:01 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    Pleases tell me the generation that their professors came from.

    Being myself of the baby-boom generation, I can vouch for the fact that the universities were not given over entirely to Marxist loons in the early ’70s. The process was developing apace, in part because the earlier baby-boomers, of Marxist bent, were already becoming teaching assistants and young professors, but the switchover had by no means been accomplished.

    That was, however, almost 40 years ago—and since then, the baby-boom Marxists have, in effect, occupied the universities from within, wholly dwarfing their jejune efforts at doing so by sit-ins when they were mere undergraduates back in the day.


  83. 83 | November 30, 2009 5:02 pm

    Damn, but that sucks ass. Fox just reported thei internet poll as straight news. What a fucking joke. No internet poll, no matter how many people are polled, can ever be considered anything but junk. It is piss poor methodology, subject to manipulation by anyone who cares enough to try, and totally non-scientific.

    But what the hell. If they can make up shit to “prove” that Global Warming is going to destroy the world, I guess Fox can report bunk polls as straight news. After all, the poll was about Tiger Woods. No one is trying to use Tiger Woods to destroy the backbone of the American economy.


  84. 84 | November 30, 2009 5:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Calling a half black, half asian man “tiger” is racist!


  85. 85 | November 30, 2009 5:08 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    The only way the Tiger Woods thing could be better was if it were happening to Precendent Obowma.


  86. 86 | November 30, 2009 5:11 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    The truth is that I know very little about what is going on with Tiger Woods. Just that there was a car accident, and accusations of cheating.

    Is Tiger, Asian or Black?


  87. Runner
    87 | November 30, 2009 5:11 pm

    I applaud the Swiss in this bold move. It’s about time someone slapped Islamic expansion down a peg.


  88. 88 | November 30, 2009 5:12 pm

    Wow I don’t care a lick about Tiger Woods.
    But does he have a proper name ?


  89. Nevergiveup
    89 | November 30, 2009 5:13 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:

    The truth is that I know very little about what is going on with Tiger Woods. Just that there was a car accident, and accusations of cheating.

    Is Tiger, Asian or Black?

    Yes he is and his wife took exception to Tiger puttering around with a certain brunet and apparently tried to drive his head down the driveway with a 3 wood?


  90. 90 | November 30, 2009 5:13 pm

    Oh Looked it up. Worse than I imagined
    :Eldrick Tont “Tiger” Woods (born December 30, 1975):


  91. KGB
    91 | November 30, 2009 5:14 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    @ Truck Monkey:
    The loud, public call to prayer is saved for non-muslim countries. In Turkey, there is a “quiet” radio station that you leave on all day and it is silent until it is time to be called to pray to the moon idol.
    The public ‘call to prayer’ has nothing to do with calling Muslims to pray, and everything to do with Submission of the surrounding non-muslim neighborhoods.

    In Indonesia, excluding non-Islamic areas like Bali and the Lake Toba vicinity, the call to prayer is as loud and obnoxious as anywhere else, even in those part of Indonesia where they actually do practice a very moderate version of Islam.

    I don’t know if all Muslims find the call unobtrusive, but to the untrained ear it’s a jarring cacophony. I know that it’s all subjective, but I’m always amazed when I hear someone pronounce the prayers “beautiful”. If you asked anyone if they would prefer to hear 15 minutes of church bells playing hymns at dinner time or an ear-splitting, off-key caterwaul at dawn, how many would choose the latter?


  92. Nevergiveup
    92 | November 30, 2009 5:14 pm

    jimash wrote:

    Wow I don’t care a lick about Tiger Woods.
    But does he have a proper name ?

    his name is “filthy rich”


  93. 93 | November 30, 2009 5:14 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    D’oh! I guess he should be “Large orange and black striped predator from Siberia” Woods. But then that would be a “dog whistle” to him being a Tiger. Though I’m not sure what would be negative about a tiger (I have a nice tiger tattooed on my right forearm), but that L³eftists for you. We need to get in touch with him and make him change his hurtful, bigoted name.

    [/If I need this, it is time for you to quit drinking]


  94. buzzsawmonkey
    94 | November 30, 2009 5:15 pm

    Tiger Woods is a “putts.”


  95. 95 | November 30, 2009 5:15 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Doesn’t Tiger know that the the lower the score is better, and the aim is a hole in one.

    What that is what a little birdy told me anyway.


  96. Nevergiveup
    96 | November 30, 2009 5:16 pm

    By the way we really should leave Tiger alone since by and large and for various reasons Liberals don’t like him.


  97. 97 | November 30, 2009 5:16 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I heard she used a nine iron?
    I am thinking, you never use the nine iron on the driver, the putter has the most mass, although the shortest handle.


  98. 98 | November 30, 2009 5:17 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    It’s everything rolled into one big ball of media hype. Accusations of cheating, golf club-wielding Swedish wife chase, evasive to press and police, injuries, cancelled golf tournaments… Maybe it’s better if you don’t know..


  99. snork
    99 | November 30, 2009 5:17 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Tiger would be a reference to his Asian half. If he wanted to emphasize his African half, he’s call himself “lion”.

    I guess that means white guys call themselves ManBearPig.


  100. snork
    100 | November 30, 2009 5:19 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    I think it was the hole in one that got him into trouble in the first place.


  101. 101 | November 30, 2009 5:21 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    It is his private stuff to handle, really. He’s smart not to talk to the Law, though. He doesn’t have to tell them the time of day. Anything he says can and will be used against him if at all possible. Right now they’ve go tnothing to charge him with. No breathalyzer or other BAC test, and no criminal charges against him (or his wife) for domestic violence. Silence is golden.


  102. 102 | November 30, 2009 5:21 pm

    @ snork:

    1/2 asian 1/4 african 1/4 european


  103. 103 | November 30, 2009 5:22 pm

    Hole in one no problem. Hole in two, was the problem.
    And with that crude comment out of the way I will go back to ignoring that particular news item.


  104. 104 | November 30, 2009 5:22 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    I wonder if Bar was going to go to the tournament coming up in Thousand Oaks, California. Is it canceled?


  105. 105 | November 30, 2009 5:23 pm

    Wrath, have you seen this yet?

    The Jew From Kuwait

    My Muslim background left me unprepared for this shocking discovery.

    Growing up in Kuwait, I had the best of everything. My father owned a successful construction company, and provided us five children with amenities like piano lessons, swimming, calligraphy and trips all over the world. Although we were Muslims like everyone else, we were totally secular and my father always aimed to shield us from religious people whom he described as crazies.

    I grew up being told that Israelis and Jews were the lowest type of creature in existence, put on Earth only to kill us Arabs. In math class the teacher would say, “If one rocket killed X number of Jews, how many would six rockets kill?”

    My father was rabidly anti-Israel. He was a product of Nasser’s school of thought: secular from a Muslim point of view, yet deeply dedicated to the idea of pan-Arab unity. Israel, he believed, was an American proxy in the post-colonial Middle East.

    Read the whole thing..


  106. 106 | November 30, 2009 5:24 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    All golf tournaments with Woods are canceled for at least the rest of the year.


  107. chickadee
    107 | November 30, 2009 5:24 pm

    m wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    “They’re” saying no.

    Swiss minaret vote unlikely to be copied in Europe
    PARIS (Reuters) – Switzerland’s vote to ban minarets is the blunt expression of wider worries about Islam in Europe, but the typically Swiss option of holding a national debate and referendum on them looks unlikely to be repeated elsewhere.
    Of course not. Proggies can’t let it happen. People say one thing to the pollsters and do something else.

    On Sunday, 57.5% of Swiss voters approved the ban, a complete reverse of what polls showed only two weeks before.

    Maybe the pollsters are just lying their asses off. I think the locals are grumbling and sharpening their pitch forks all over Europe.


  108. vagabond trader
    108 | November 30, 2009 5:24 pm

    Does anyone recall this little nugget from bho?

    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/137991


  109. 109 | November 30, 2009 5:25 pm

    Good time to bring this up.

    NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY PRESENT.

    Your right until you waive it. Do only what the law requires when they are looking at you. License, registration and proof of insurance. NOTHING ELSE.


  110. Formercorpsman
    110 | November 30, 2009 5:25 pm

    My applause for the person who mentioned Rock the Casbah up thread, fitting.

    This is exactly what went missing some years ago. Factual debate, objective opinion, and delving into the nuts & bolts of behind the surface of the topic of discussion.

    What is lost on so many people, is that whether or not you care about the next mosque or minaret being erected, the folks erecting it totally have you in mind.

    Someone is awake in Europe, hopefully it is not too late for the culture as a whole.

    Have a good night.


  111. 111 | November 30, 2009 5:26 pm

    Anybody see this today?
    Biggest fine in Tennis history, even McEnroe is jealous.

    Serena Williams fined $175,000 & 2 years probation because she went BAP on an umpire at the US Open. If she doesn’t go BAP for during her 2 years probation, her fine will be reduced to $82,500


  112. Nevergiveup
    112 | November 30, 2009 5:27 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    Good time to bring this up.

    NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY PRESENT.

    Your right until you waive it. Do only what the law requires when they are looking at you. License, registration and proof of insurance. NOTHING ELSE.

    Unless your in the Military and those are Military Police in front of you. Then, well….you have no rights and you better speak up.


  113. vagabond trader
    113 | November 30, 2009 5:27 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    I read that yesterday, quite a story.:-)

    btw, if the Tiger Woods kerfluffle had happened to O-bow-ma, he’d be in some serious pain after wookie woman took care of bizness.


  114. 114 | November 30, 2009 5:29 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Dang! I had tickets for the one out in Thousand Oaks next weekend.


  115. 115 | November 30, 2009 5:29 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    My BIL stymied CID into fits. Retired full bennies. ArRes now fulltime.


  116. Nevergiveup
    116 | November 30, 2009 5:30 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:

    I read that yesterday, quite a story.:-)

    btw, if the Tiger Woods kerfluffle had happened to O-bow-ma, he’d be in some serious pain after wookie woman took care of bizness.

    Well Barack is lucky in that, well I don’t think the Secret Service would allow that?


  117. wolfie
    117 | November 30, 2009 5:30 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    Pleases tell me the generation that their professors came from.

    The so-called “greatest” generation.
    The same one that swooned over Stalin —and Mussolini and Hitler, too, until the War changed their minds.
    The generation that applauded the New Deal’s deconstruction of American federalism and Constitutional limits.
    The generation that refused to defend the Western heritage when their spoiled brat kids rebelled against it.

    But at least they themselves weren’t spoiled brats.


  118. Silhouette
    118 | November 30, 2009 5:31 pm

    I love Tiger. He is hard-working, and until now, never had a hint of scandal about him like so many athletes who acquire success too early. He has shown balance and sanity on many occasions, especially early in his career when people tried to use him for his race.

    I chalk this up to a very loud spat that probably included some broken crockery in the house, and since he hit a tree now their private life is in the spotlight. Did he cheat? Was she hitting the car as it drove away? I don’t care. The only part I like is that she used a golf club, whether to attack him or save him. heh.


  119. 119 | November 30, 2009 5:31 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    No its still on, just no Tiger playing.

    I was trying to get tickets (for free) seeing as my company did/does a lot of survey/ civil work on Lake Sherwood. But so far nobody is handing them over.


  120. grambo
    120 | November 30, 2009 5:31 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    @ snork:
    1/2 asian 1/4 african 1/4 european

    IIRC, that 1/4 African has some American Indian in there, too. So he’s less than 25% African.

    He uses a blade putter, so a sand wedge head has the most mass in his bag.

    The Left doesn’t care for him because, I suppose, he got where he is entirely on his own merits.


  121. song_and_dance_man
    121 | November 30, 2009 5:31 pm

    If the Saints lose to the Patriots will Bush be faulted? It is after all Katrina country.


  122. snork
    122 | November 30, 2009 5:32 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY PRESENT.

    And that means when you’re completely innocent. Even things that don’t seem to have anything to do with incident at hand can and will be used against you. Don’t even talk about the weather.


  123. 123 | November 30, 2009 5:32 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Wow, will have to read the rest when I get the time. Great so far though…


  124. snork
    124 | November 30, 2009 5:33 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Well Barack is lucky in that, well I don’t think the Secret Service would allow that?

    I don’t know how that works. Did they keep Hillary from tossing the lamp?


  125. Nevergiveup
    125 | November 30, 2009 5:34 pm

    European Union foreign ministers are expected to officially call next week for the division of Jerusalem, to serve as the capitals of both Israel and Palestine. A draft document authored by the current holder of the rotating EU presidency, Sweden, and implying that the EU would recognize a unilateral Palestinian declaration of statehood, has been obtained by Haaretz.

    Jerusalem is waging a diplomatic campaign to keep the EU from issuing such an endorsement, but diplomats close to the EU deliberations believe it is virtually inevitable.

    OK when they divide and give away half of London, Paris, Berlin……yada yada yada


  126. vagabond trader
    126 | November 30, 2009 5:35 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Hey,they allowed a pair of gatecrashers into the WH. I doubt they accompany the cheery first couple into the boudoir.It was rumored Hil got in her share of target practice :-)


  127. 127 | November 30, 2009 5:35 pm

    @ Grouchy when NoMobeer:

    If I weren’t so worried about my anonymity, I’d let you through the gates.

    If I find extra tickets, maybe I can work something out for you though. (But don’t hold your breath, sorry)


  128. Nevergiveup
    128 | November 30, 2009 5:35 pm

    snork wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Well Barack is lucky in that, well I don’t think the Secret Service would allow that?

    I don’t know how that works. Did they keep Hillary from tossing the lamp?

    No but they read the scouting reports– she had no arm


  129. vagabond trader
    129 | November 30, 2009 5:36 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Raaaaacist!


  130. song_and_dance_man
    130 | November 30, 2009 5:36 pm

    And is it just me, minarets look like missiles.


  131. m
    131 | November 30, 2009 5:37 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Maybe the pollsters are just lying their asses off

    .Yep. Or that.


  132. 132 | November 30, 2009 5:37 pm

    BBL


  133. Nevergiveup
    134 | November 30, 2009 5:38 pm

    03:21 Report: EU would recognize unilateral Palestinian declaration of statehood (Haaretz)

    And what will Obama do?


  134. 135 | November 30, 2009 5:40 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    A European imposition of undividing Jerusalem is a act of war against the World’s Jews.


  135. song_and_dance_man
    136 | November 30, 2009 5:41 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    One less ‘a’ and we be smoking. It’s those little things that are missed. ;-)


  136. 137 | November 30, 2009 5:42 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    No worries, I would more than likely try to scalp them and then watch it on TV.

    Now why scalping is illegal, I cant figure out.
    Why cant you sell something you own for whatever price someone is willing to pay?
    Oh, thats right you can, except when it comes to “tickets.”


  137. Nevergiveup
    138 | November 30, 2009 5:42 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    A European imposition of undividing Jerusalem is a act of war against the World’s Jews.

    Palestinians to ask UN for state based on 1967 borders

    Hey Obama how is that Middle East Diplomacy going? Is it working for you to?


  138. vagabond trader
    139 | November 30, 2009 5:43 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    He’ll do absolutely nadda.Israel had better brace for another intifada and trouble from the usual outside terror thugs.Leftist Euro bastards.


  139. snork
    140 | November 30, 2009 5:43 pm

    Icarus?


  140. buzzsawmonkey
    141 | November 30, 2009 5:44 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Palestinians to ask UN for state based on 1967 borders

    I am so fucking tired, not only of the Arabs whining for endless do-overs of the conflicts they have lost, lost, lost, but of the West’s gutless willingness to entertain their whinging.


  141. Nevergiveup
    142 | November 30, 2009 5:45 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    He’ll do absolutely nadda.Israel had better brace for another intifada and trouble from the usual outside terror thugs.Leftist Euro bastards.

    Well on a good day that is what Obama will do. But Israel better prepare for the day Obama and the USA sells her down the river in the Security Council


  142. 143 | November 30, 2009 5:46 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    It would behoove me to not respond to these provocations any further as I imagine nothing good would come from it.


  143. snork
    144 | November 30, 2009 5:47 pm

    Holy shit.

    Environmentalism should be regarded on the same level with religion “as the only compelling, value-based narrative available to humanity,” according to a paper written two years ago to influence the future strategy of the United Nations Environmental Program (UNEP), the world’s would-be environmental watchdog.


  144. wolfie
    145 | November 30, 2009 5:47 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    And what will Obama do?

    The EU is betting he won’t do a damned thing.

    They are seizing the moment, the unexpected moment when the USA has an unexperienced president with pro-Palestinian sympathies.


  145. vagabond trader
    146 | November 30, 2009 5:48 pm

    “Coincidence” how this is happening at the time our fearless leader is to receive his peace of sh@t prize.This plot has been in the works for a while, unbelievable that they are actually following through.Yes it is an act of war against all Jews.


  146. 147 | November 30, 2009 5:49 pm

    @ wolfie:

    ….and the entire world will turn against Israel…..


  147. mawskrat
    148 | November 30, 2009 5:49 pm

    322 Charles
    Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:29:14pm replyquote 3downupreport

    re: #319 Big Steve

    I mean for being a bastard oil company guy (and an Aussie)…this guy Shell’s Climate Advisor has a very cogent and precise explanation of the Copenhagen conference.

    Shell Oil seems to be one of the more responsible energy companies. Unlike Exxon-Mobil, they don’t seem to be funding denialist efforts, and actually accept the scientific evidence for AGW.
    …………………………………………………………..

    IIRC didn’t Royal Dutch Shell have some involvement with the Nazis

    therefore cj likes shell oil>Shell helped nazis> CJ is a nazi

    //lgf logic


  148. 149 | November 30, 2009 5:51 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Where were you when Jerusalem was divided? How will you answer to your Grandchildren; to the millions of Jews who prayed and died with the dream we live on their lips?

    Yerushalyim if I forget you….


  149. vagabond trader
    150 | November 30, 2009 5:51 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Feeding Israel to the muzz beast so as to avoid being devoured by it themselves. We’ll see how that works for them.


  150. 151 | November 30, 2009 5:51 pm

    @ mawskrat:
    ohmy! that’s logic CFnJ would be proud of! LOL


  151. Silhouette
    152 | November 30, 2009 5:52 pm

    @ CloudyDay:

    The Oscar will instead go to Obama. For a movie he may make one day.


  152. 153 | November 30, 2009 5:56 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    This is not a test for The Nations, but it is a test. If this happens, and Jews ignore this eternal offense against our religion and our history and still refuse to unify under G-d, and His people, He will remind us again that we are His people in the future and it will be much worse.

    “Do not harden your hearts as they did in the Wilderness…”


  153. 154 | November 30, 2009 5:57 pm

    Ok, I’m out of here.


  154. wolfie
    155 | November 30, 2009 5:57 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Feeding Israel to the muzz beast so as to avoid being devoured by it themselves.

    I do not believe that is why they are doing it.
    I believe they are feeding Israel to the beast because they want to feed Israel to the beast.


  155. vagabond trader
    156 | November 30, 2009 6:01 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Heh,I may not be the most devout Jew but I am with G-d and my heart is not hardened.Its weird I’m afraid but know deep down he is in control.


  156. m
    157 | November 30, 2009 6:01 pm

    @ mawskrat:

    He started it!


  157. buzzsawmonkey
    158 | November 30, 2009 6:03 pm

    @ wolfie:

    I think you’re right, but the rationalization of “If I sacrifice them, I’m safe” provides a self-justification.


  158. Nevergiveup
    159 | November 30, 2009 6:03 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ wolfie:

    I think you’re right, but the rationalization of “If I sacrifice them, I’m safe” provides a self-justification.

    For cowards


  159. buzzsawmonkey
    160 | November 30, 2009 6:04 pm

    Tomorrow.


  160. vagabond trader
    161 | November 30, 2009 6:05 pm

    @ wolfie:

    Without a doubt and what a perfect opportunity. That being said it does not preclude the EU need to appease the muzz. They are good at appeasing.Its a twofer.


  161. wolfie
    162 | November 30, 2009 6:05 pm

    mawskrat wrote:

    CJ says: “Shell Oil seems to be one of the more responsible energy companies. Unlike Exxon-Mobil, they don’t seem to be funding denialist efforts, and actually accept the scientific evidence for AGW.”

    Let’s see if we can get this straight. CJ has been telling us all along that eeeeeevil Big Oil is behind all of the denialist lies! It’s Big Oil that is bribing sceptical scientists!
    But now we have Shell (bigger than Exxon, BTW) funding the alarmists, and that’s okay.
    Oooooooookay.


  162. snork
    163 | November 30, 2009 6:06 pm

    This guy’s timing is swift:

    Western lifestyle unsustainable, says climate expert Rajendra Pachauri

    Among the proposals highlighted by Pachauri were the suggestion that hotel guests should be made responsible for their energy use. “I don’t see why you couldn’t have a meter in the room to register your energy consumption from air-conditioning or heating and you should be charged for that,” he said. “By bringing about changes of this kind, you could really ensure that people start becoming accountable for their actions.”
    [...]
    Pachauri caused controversy last year by advocating, in an interview with the Observer, that people should eat less meat because of the levels of carbon emissions associated with rearing livestock. He is scheduled to deliver a keynote speech at the opening session of the Copenhagen summit.

    Tea partiers should follow these asshats around in Copenhagen, and protest when they turn the heat on in their rooms. Copenhagen in December? Put on a sweater, like Carter.


  163. Silhouette
    164 | November 30, 2009 6:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Uh, what Rob Morrow named his kid?
    When the sun will come out?
    What is, after all, another day?


  164. Nevergiveup
    165 | November 30, 2009 6:09 pm

    Silhouette wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Uh, what Rob Morrow named his kid?
    When the sun will come out?
    What is, after all, another day?

    Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn


  165. vagabond trader
    166 | November 30, 2009 6:10 pm

    @ snork:

    Tea partiers have real jobs and families and no carbon belching private jets shuttling them to and fro on the moonbat circuit.


  166. wolfie
    167 | November 30, 2009 6:12 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    @ wolfie:
    I think you’re right, but the rationalization of “If I sacrifice them, I’m safe” provides a self-justification.
    For cowards

    For cowards. For those wracked with self-hatred. For those who are so blind they will not see.
    These are “self-justifications” that, far from mitigating the crime, actually compound it.


  167. vagabond trader
    168 | November 30, 2009 6:14 pm

    @ snork:

    Pachauri caused controversy last year by advocating, in an interview with the Observer, that people should eat less meat because of the levels of carbon emissions associated with rearing livestock. He is scheduled to deliver a keynote speech at the opening session of the Copenhagen summit.

    It all comes back to the cow farts doesn’t it?


  168. 169 | November 30, 2009 6:15 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Is Tiger, Asian or Black?

    “Blasian” or “Asilack”……….take your pick………..

    /no peeeeee sea here.


  169. Overlook
    170 | November 30, 2009 6:15 pm

    @ snork:
    “In other words, these denialist claims are largely ad hominems, and don’t get to the core of the issue, and that’s the overwhelming amount of data supporting global warming. You need to ask: do these emails and other hacked files change the actual science, the actual conclusions drawn by those scientists?”

    This sounds like LVQ. He is always citing “overwhelming” amount of data. What is that data? ice-melt, coral-reef, animal migration observations, hurricanes, floods etc. Like bad prosecutors with circumstantial evidence, they pile it on, until the jury is overwhelmed.

    The “core” of the issue? the warmists will accept no explanation for rises in temperature (or temperature readings) that suggests industrial emissions of CO2 are not the prime cause. They define “trend” as that length of time which supports warming. That a trend is a part of a great natural cycle (on the up or the down slope) is irrelevant, because their definition of trend makes it clear that natural cycles only mask the trend.

    Grrrr.


  170. snork
    171 | November 30, 2009 6:20 pm

    Ouch.

    I have already documented his lack of expertise in research topics that he comments on at Real Climate and elsewhere in my post

    Does Gavin Schmidt Understand Boundary Layer Physics?
    [...]
    This reply by Gavin, besides ignoring (e.g. Fall et al 2009) and his trivializing (e.g. Stone Jr 2009) peer reviewed papers that disagree with his perspective, his comment also shows that he has learned little from the exposure of the inappropriate attempt by Phil Jones and colleagues to serve as gatekeepers to climate science issues.

    Since Gavin Schmidt is not a recognized expert on the role of land use/land cover change, he should have sought a qualified climate scientist to address the comment by CCPO. Instead, he perpetuates the biased and often inaccurate presentation of climate views on Real Climate.

    Gavin is Chuck’s source of all knowledge.


  171. vagabond trader
    172 | November 30, 2009 6:22 pm

    LOL, the Poles are not to be outdone by the Swiss. Che Guevera tshirts and other commie imagery to be illegal.

    http://rt.com/Politics/2009-11-30/poland-bans-communist-symbols.html?fullstory


  172. 173 | November 30, 2009 6:24 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    But, but Che T-shirts make excellent medium range targets, what with the Red and the black contrast. Aim for the beret and you can’t miss…


  173. vagabond trader
    174 | November 30, 2009 6:27 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hmmm, I detect a secondary market for outlawed t-shirts. :-)


  174. vagabond trader
    175 | November 30, 2009 6:28 pm

    OK, if anyone feels inclined, please give ZIP some love. He does good work.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/11/liberal-blogger-charles-johnson-hyperventilating-again-three-wise-monkeys-is-waaacist.html


  175. 176 | November 30, 2009 6:28 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The Mohammedans may even bring the fight back to these shores.

    They never really stopped. SJS is part of the war. Major Hasan was SoA. There will be more.


  176. song_and_dance_man
    177 | November 30, 2009 6:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Carlos Santana may appear next bared chested if the heat continues.


  177. snork
    178 | November 30, 2009 6:30 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    If they outlaw the Nazi shiite, they should outlaw the commie shiite, too. Same shiite, different asshats.


  178. vagabond trader
    179 | November 30, 2009 6:32 pm

    @ snork:

    Dats da troof!


  179. snork
    180 | November 30, 2009 6:39 pm

    http://i50.tinypic.com/2h535uv.gif


  180. wolfie
    181 | November 30, 2009 6:45 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    LOL, the Poles are not to be outdone by the Swiss. Che Guevera tshirts and other commie imagery to be illegal.

    Good for them! Excellent!
    It’s high time Communist symbols should receive the same treatment as Nazi ones in that regard. If you ban one, you should ban the other.
    In any case, it is a wonderful statement.

    And no, I wouldn’t support such a ban here, because of our
    exceptionalism —-(take that, Obama!)— specifically, because of the high priority we give to free speech.


  181. mjazz
    182 | November 30, 2009 6:45 pm

    @ snork:
    lol – mailed that one!


  182. Kitteh
    183 | November 30, 2009 6:49 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ snork:
    It all comes back to the cow farts doesn’t it?

    Imagine having CO2 capture devices on cow butts. It could happen in Obamamerika. ;)


  183. 184 | November 30, 2009 6:51 pm

    Good News!

    Obama Rejects International Convention Banning Land Mines

    Obama has refused to sign the international convention banning land mines. This is the same policy of his predecessor, a policy I am strongly in favor of. the first thing to note is that just because we have refused to ban them does not commit us to using them. It is a fairly simple notion, but one that should be mentioned. The reverse is obviously not true. Should we ban them and decide we need them, we would be in violation of the treaty.

    This is unquestionably a good thing. Land mines save lives on the side that uses them. They are far too useful to let some dickless UN bastards take them away from us. We should never discard a tool, never take an option off of the table. I am tempted to say we should fight for victory by any means and at any price. Any is a bit too strong. I’m sure that someone somewhere would come up with a tactic that I would agree we should not use even if it meant us losing, but the general rule is that war is breaking things and killing people. Anything that is useful for that is usually useful as a weapon of war. That has some interesting applications if you emphasize the Militia Clause of the Second Amendment (like was done in US v. Miller).


  184. father_of_10
    185 | November 30, 2009 6:51 pm

    snork wrote:

    http://i50.tinypic.com/2h535uv.gif

    But do they burn well? How many BTUs per book? I heard that tripe and sh*t doesn’t put out much heat.


  185. wolfie
    186 | November 30, 2009 6:51 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Hey, Song! I made turkey tacos tonight, roughly following your recipe. They were really goooooood and the kids were thrilled to have leftover turkey in such an unrecognizable form!

    (I grated leftover turkey and sauteed it, in place of the ground turkey.)


  186. mawskrat
    187 | November 30, 2009 6:54 pm

    Kitteh wrote:

    vagabond trader wrote:
    @ snork:
    It all comes back to the cow farts doesn’t it?
    Imagine having CO2 capture devices on cow butts. It could happen in Obamamerika.

    cow farts…………………….
    Scientists Attach Rectal Methane-Collecting Backpacks to Cows


  187. Abu Bin Squid
    188 | November 30, 2009 6:56 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    I lost all ability to listen to Carlos after he pointed to his Che t-shirt and said this is a real hero, or some such. Clueless lover of peace who’s never been kicked in the nuts.
    I’d like his stupid ass dropped in the middle of Africa/Gaza/London/Detroit to get Fisked by his fellow peace-loving lefty voters. Nice watch, amigo! Then we could revisit his comment, should he survive.


  188. vagabond trader
    189 | November 30, 2009 6:57 pm

    @ Kitteh:

    LOL! Oh those poor poor moos!


  189. mjazz
    190 | November 30, 2009 6:58 pm

    @ mawskrat:
    The cow doesn’t look too thrilled.
    Kidding aside, a pig farmer in So. Africa ran a generator for three years on gas produced from pig manure.


  190. Abu Bin Squid
    191 | November 30, 2009 6:58 pm

    My #188
    Crabby, as the Fat Tire supply is exhasted. Back soon.


  191. vagabond trader
    192 | November 30, 2009 6:59 pm

    @ mawskrat:

    see my 189.:-)


  192. vagabond trader
    193 | November 30, 2009 7:03 pm

    @ mjazz:

    Whoa, ever been stuck behind a pig honey wagon? Oh man, that is some powerful stuff.We ran over some that dropped in the road and I would not allow those tires to make contact with my garage until they were decontaminated.


  193. Kitteh
    194 | November 30, 2009 7:04 pm

    @ mawskrat:
    lol!
    Soon, chili and burritos will face a carbon tax. Buy stock in Beano.


  194. coldwarrior
    195 | November 30, 2009 7:04 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    i wonder if the lovely claymore mine is considered a land mine or not.


  195. snork
    196 | November 30, 2009 7:04 pm

    Hey Chuckles. Lucia says you’re full of shiite.

    And nobody argues with Lucia and lives to tell of it. Be a man. Go over there and tell her why she’s wrong. Registration not required. You can call yourself Icarus.


  196. lobo91
    197 | November 30, 2009 7:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    i wonder if the lovely claymore mine is considered a land mine or not.

    If it’s emplaced using a trip wire, it is.

    Not if it’s command detonated, though.


  197. coldwarrior
    198 | November 30, 2009 7:11 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ mjazz:
    Whoa, ever been stuck behind a pig honey wagon? Oh man, that is some powerful stuff.We ran over some that dropped in the road and I would not allow those tires to make contact with my garage until they were decontaminated.

    my parent live out in the sticks…bigtime dairy and pig farms. the smell every spring is, well, its, heady…


  198. 199 | November 30, 2009 7:12 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I’m certain that it is. You set them in place, arm them, and leave them, and when someone stumbles into them they go BANG! I’m gled to see Obama take this course of action. We need every weapon we can devise, every dirty little trick our twisted little minds can think of, and the ruthlessness of Stalin to crush our enemy as he has never been crushed before…

    [/Endeth the Sermon]


  199. coldwarrior
    200 | November 30, 2009 7:13 pm

    @ lobo91:

    really!

    leave it to a bureaucrat to parse it that way.

    altho…if tripwire, its remote detonated….


  200. mjazz
    201 | November 30, 2009 7:15 pm

    Maybe billions of mohammedums bowing down at the same time every day is throwing the earth off it’s axis and causing global warming.


  201. vagabond trader
    202 | November 30, 2009 7:17 pm

    @ mjazz:

    Why not, just as likely as all the cooked data academia is serving up.


  202. mjazz
    203 | November 30, 2009 7:18 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    The Russians used bombs disguised as toys in Afghanistan. Would you draw the line there?


  203. coldwarrior
    205 | November 30, 2009 7:20 pm

    ooops….libs in aussie land just revolted over the climate stuff


  204. 206 | November 30, 2009 7:22 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    The Russians used bombs disguised as toys in Afghanistan. Would you draw the line there?

    They violate international conventions in and of themselves.


  205. mjazz
    207 | November 30, 2009 7:25 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I give them credit for not wanting to sign the Kyoto Treaty either.


  206. 208 | November 30, 2009 7:25 pm

    However I am four square in favor of land mines disguised as slightly abused korans.


  207. taxfreekiller
    209 | November 30, 2009 7:26 pm

    CJ

    guilty dog barking now on .00001
    Ten reasons he turned on the “Right Wing” in America.

    Taxfreekillers revised list of the Ten.

    1. CJ is a dick head.
    2. “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”".
    3.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”.
    4. “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”.
    5. “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”".
    6. “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”".
    7. “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”".
    8. “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”".
    9. “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”".
    10. “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”.

    tfk thinks it must have been him on http://www.wattsupwiththat.com
    and when he got the troll smack down he went even more bat shit crazy

    IMO


  208. 210 | November 30, 2009 7:27 pm

    Seeing how the real thing is more deadly.


  209. coldwarrior
    211 | November 30, 2009 7:27 pm

    hi tfk…


  210. mjazz
    212 | November 30, 2009 7:28 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    mjazz wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    The Russians used bombs disguised as toys in Afghanistan. Would you draw the line there?
    They violate international conventions in and of themselves.

    And the palestinians use bombs disguised as children.
    /That’s excused, though, by the humiliation Israel imposed at the checkpoints./


  211. lobo91
    213 | November 30, 2009 7:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The real issue is what you do with them when you leave the area.

    We always make detailed diagrams of minefields, and when a unit is relieved in place, the diagrams are turned over to them. If the area is going to be abandoned, we use the diagrams in order to retrieve the mines.

    About the only type of mines we still use are surface-laid ones that are scattered either by a vehicle-mounted dispenser or via artillery shells. In either case, those can be set to automatically self-destruct after a pre-set time.

    The only place we still use conventional buried mines is on the DMZ in Korea, which was the main reason we never signed that treaty. If we had, we’d have to remove all those mines, which neither the US nor the ROK forces want to do.


  212. 214 | November 30, 2009 7:32 pm

    Q. What’s the difference between ET and Muslims?


  213. mjazz
    215 | November 30, 2009 7:32 pm

    The Iranians tried using animals as mine sweepers but they ran away at the first explosion. Children worked better when you gave them little plastic keys to open the gates of heaven with.


  214. mjazz
    216 | November 30, 2009 7:33 pm

    @ BenZacharia:
    What is the difference?


  215. coldwarrior
    217 | November 30, 2009 7:34 pm

    @ lobo91:

    AAACK!!!

    remove all the land mines on the DMZ!?!?!?!11ty!!!

    i almost had a stroke….cant feel my left side…


  216. 218 | November 30, 2009 7:35 pm

    @ mjazz:

    Probably. I don’t see how weapons designed to target children can be considered to help win a victory in combat. The utility of the weapon has to be balanced against it moral repugnance. Those that have enough utility I would use if the circumstance demanded it (that includes chemical weapons and possibily biologicals; the latter scare the hell out of me because any biological has the potentional of running wild and crippling or killing our side).


  217. 219 | November 30, 2009 7:36 pm

    ET got the point and went home.


  218. lobo91
    220 | November 30, 2009 7:36 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    It would definitely be a project with long-term job security…


  219. coldwarrior
    221 | November 30, 2009 7:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    It would definitely be a project with long-term job security…

    years and years…the logistics of that…

    i would hope it happens, as long as its the fall of the dprk and then the unification of the peninsula


  220. livefreeor die
    222 | November 30, 2009 7:40 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    OMG! people! check out the comments by Icarus on WattsUpWithThat.

    He’s having his behind handed to him by people who really know what they’re doing. I’m sure by tomorrow he will have found a link between the Wattsupwiththat site and Neo-Nazis/ evil corporations/ big tobacco.


  221. MNsnowlizard
    223 | November 30, 2009 7:41 pm

    OT: I just want to say hello…I just registered here after lurking for a few weeks. I didn’t post much at the other place after I registered because I felt as if I did not have the knowledge that others had. Then posters started getting banned and the new crew really made it impossible for me.

    I jumped over there a few minutes ago to see what the first thread was and it was, “Why I Parted Ways with the Right Wing”. Ummm, okay, where is my reasons for parting ways with the swamp: 1) It sucks; 2) It is uninteresting; 3) Most of the posters I enjoyed reading are no longer there.

    I don’t know how much I will post here either, because I am quite the introvert…but hey that may change also. :)


  222. livefreeor die
    224 | November 30, 2009 7:43 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:

    Welcome!


  223. 225 | November 30, 2009 7:44 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:

    *Looking around for SaDM

    On behalf of the netizens of TheBlogmocracy I offer you a Luarel and Hardy handshake.


  224. Abu Bin Squid
    226 | November 30, 2009 7:45 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:
    You capture many of the feelings I’ve seen since I’ve crossed over to the “stalker site”. I, for one, am happy to see you here. Certain to be others.


  225. mjazz
    227 | November 30, 2009 7:45 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:
    Welcome! Don’t be shy. Just say what you think.


  226. MNsnowlizard
    228 | November 30, 2009 7:46 pm

    Thank you for the welcomes, it is greatly appreciated and I return the handshake and will try not to get into another fine mess….


  227. coldwarrior
    229 | November 30, 2009 7:49 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:

    welcome aboard! you’ll love it ere

    so…its MN…anywhere nere camp ripley


  228. livefreeor die
    230 | November 30, 2009 7:49 pm

    Looks like after being pwned by real scientists and statisticians, Icarus decided to go ballistic on the right wing.


  229. coldwarrior
    231 | November 30, 2009 7:50 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    @ MNsnowlizard:
    *Looking around for SaDM
    On behalf of the netizens of TheBlogmocracy I offer you a Luarel and Hardy handshake.

    just dont say the sheriff is a ‘near.

    :)


  230. Silhouette
    232 | November 30, 2009 7:51 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    I prefer Rhodadendron and Hardy.

    /mountain humor


  231. 233 | November 30, 2009 7:51 pm

    Land mine humor

    A journalist goes to Iraq and is surprised to see that the local men allow their wives to walk in front of them. The journalist approaches a local and says, “I thought the custom in Islamic countries was for wives to walk ten paces behind their husbands?”

    “It was,” replied the local, “But that all changed with the war.”

    “How did the war change things?” The journalist enquired.

    The local replied, “Land mines.”


  232. coldwarrior
    234 | November 30, 2009 7:51 pm

    livefreeor die wrote:

    Looks like after being pwned by real scientists and statisticians, Icarus decided to go ballistic on the right wing.

    where at 1.0 or elsewhere.


  233. 235 | November 30, 2009 7:54 pm

    I’m not as happy about this. Please let me explain why…..

    I’m one of those pesky christians who read the bible and believe when God says X, He means X and not Y.

    So while I don’t proclaim to have any hidden or special niche on end-game knowledge, I do believe that things will get MUCH worse for christianity than it is now. I do believe that it will be, one day, deemed illegal (possibly world-wide) and christians will be hunted. Not a great proposition, but such is life and you deal with it and move on.

    When I hear about laws such as this…. open banning of a religious symbol (and whether it is and official symbol or not, let’s not kid ourselves…. it is a symbol of islam.)… I kind of cringe.

    Yes, we need to halt the spread of the violent islam and, some may argue, the passive islam that supports (directly or via omission) violent islam. That’s fine. I don’t have an issue with that, and I think we’re in general agreement there.

    I do, however, have an issue with a government banning any religious symbols. I understand that I’m just a silly american who believes in God, Guns and the Constitution…… but hey… I believe in God, Guns and the Constitution. (Sorry John Kerry and President Obama)….. not out of any sense of defending islam, but both out of a knowledge of where it WILL lead (baby-steps, slippery slope incrementalism) and out of a sense that the freedom of religion even applies to religions that we aren’t a member of.

    While I agree that violent islam is bad and that there is FAR too little resistance of it noted in the islamic community, I can’t go along with the idea that banning islamic things is anything more than some sort of petty and childish ‘revenge’ for what islam does to other religions by banning the bible in saudi arabia, etc. (In fact, what case do we have to decry the banning of the bible in Saudi Arabia if we’re going to start banning their religious symbols elsewhere, no matter how ‘innocent’ looking they may be)

    To me, this isn’t a conservative move to the right, this is just another example of a socialist government exerting its will over the populace. Want proof? Change the religion and see how much you like it. “Swiss government bans Crosses from buildings.” “Swiss government bans Star of David from buildings” (that’d be a fun one, considering the swiss coddling of post-war nazis and the stolen funds from the world war 2 jews.)

    I’ve always believed that, no matter how great it seems, any ‘good idea’ (and that’s debatable here) can be turned into evil by the right politician or agenda’d group.

    Sorry folks, call me whatever names you wish…. I can’t get behind this one. Smells WAY too much of a temper-tantrum/revenge against islam than any sort of positive gain against violent islam.


  234. MNsnowlizard
    236 | November 30, 2009 7:54 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    We live south of the Cities, in a nice “Red” county, thank God and all that is holy!


  235. pbird
    237 | November 30, 2009 7:55 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I have a hard time restricting religions from building their houses of worship. The MOrmons bought land aand were slated to build a new temple. The local Catholic church objected to the location shortly before the ground breaking because it was within eyesight of a Catholic cathedral, so the Mormon Church called off the start and began ,looking for another sight, even thought they owned the land and had ALL of the necessary legal clearances to build their temple. Mormon temples are known to be beautiful property value enhancers.
    LOOK HERE

    and Here for pictures

    Some of us find them scary also.


  236. 238 | November 30, 2009 7:56 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:

    Welcome, and don’t worry about the MN Nice, passive aggressive nature. I’m originally from MN (Live in OK now) and managed to survive. You’ll do fine.

    Now, I believe the rule is (and since I’m an Admin, I can make rules) that the newest member buys….. so…. Rum, double.


  237. livefreeor die
    239 | November 30, 2009 7:57 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    1.0
    Newest thread is “Why I parted ways with the right wing”. Apparently we’re all homophobic, bigoted, anti-science, ODS, fascist, sexist, anti-government conspiracy theorists.

    Speaking of conspiracies-did you hear that Big Oil and Big Tobacco are behind the anti-AGW movement/


  238. coldwarrior
    240 | November 30, 2009 7:57 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:

    copy THAT!

    i did enjoy my weeks up in the north of MN…lotsa bugs.


  239. 241 | November 30, 2009 7:58 pm

    @ livefreeor die:

    It must be true, I read it from Charles (the new Dan Rather)


  240. MNsnowlizard
    242 | November 30, 2009 7:59 pm

    @ LanceKates:

    Rum sounds good to me, straight? Of course the rum and cokes I have had at our Eagles club here in town, they might have well been straight…Eeek!


  241. coldwarrior
    243 | November 30, 2009 7:59 pm

    @ livefreeor die:

    i went over…now i have to scrub my monitor and my eyes with bleach.

    he is prolly doing this to get hits for advertising revenue.


  242. MNsnowlizard
    244 | November 30, 2009 8:01 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I love the northern part of the state. Lotsa bugs, Lotsa BIG bugs! Whew!


  243. coldwarrior
    245 | November 30, 2009 8:01 pm

    LanceKates wrote:

    @ MNsnowlizard:
    Welcome, and don’t worry about the MN Nice, passive aggressive nature. I’m originally from MN (Live in OK now) and managed to survive. You’ll do fine.
    Now, I believe the rule is (and since I’m an Admin, I can make rules) that the newest member buys….. so…. Rum, double.

    as the bartender, i second that with an option on martinis!


  244. 246 | November 30, 2009 8:02 pm

    MNsnowlizard wrote:

    @ LanceKates:
    Rum sounds good to me, straight? Of course the rum and cokes I have had at our Eagles club here in town, they might have well been straight…Eeek!

    I prefer Captain Morgan Private Stock, straight.

    I’m diabetic, so I don’t get what I prefer. I GET bacardi superior in diet coke. no net carbs.

    Though, I’m evil… right now I’m working on hot apple cider with cinimon schnapps.


  245. coldwarrior
    247 | November 30, 2009 8:02 pm

    MNsnowlizard wrote:

    @ LanceKates:
    Rum sounds good to me, straight? Of course the rum and cokes I have had at our Eagles club here in town, they might have well been straight…Eeek!

    FOE


  246. 248 | November 30, 2009 8:04 pm

    Night all

    New York 2051

    A father and his son are walking the Manhattan streets when the father stops at a vacant lot takes a deep breath and tells his son: “To think that at one time here on this very lot stood the Twin Towers.”

    The son looks at his father and asked: “Dad, what are the Twin Towers?”

    Father says: “My dear son, the Twin Towers were two tremendously tall buildings with lots of offices that were the heart of the United States, but 50 years ago, a group of Muslims destroyed the buildings.”

    The boy thinks for a minute and then asks his father:


  247. 249 | November 30, 2009 8:04 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:
    That sounds like the crazy Irish RHose. She did the very same thing recently.


  248. coldwarrior
    250 | November 30, 2009 8:04 pm

    oh, and…

    hiya lance!


  249. MNsnowlizard
    251 | November 30, 2009 8:06 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yep, the FOE, I am not a member, but my Grandfather was one of the founding members of the FOE here in town and my Grandmother was one of the founding members of the Ladies’ Auxillary…something that I admire.


  250. Abu Bin Squid
    252 | November 30, 2009 8:06 pm

    Just scanned the Wattsup blog with Icarus getting pummeled. No, “Get off my blog!” allowed. The truth, no matter who Icarus reallt is confirms Nancy’s ego trip.

    May I make Icarus a more enjoyable word?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBRj7AF8YjQ


  251. 253 | November 30, 2009 8:06 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Hey bud. I’m still cold. Rode my motorcycle to work today. 44 degrees when I got home. hoodie sweatshirt and knit cap and jeans.


  252. 254 | November 30, 2009 8:07 pm

    “Daddy, what are Muslims?”


  253. coldwarrior
    255 | November 30, 2009 8:08 pm

    well, if cj has finally gone to the other side, i suppose we can expect an influx of new ‘cruits.

    now there is no reason for anyone not moonbat to be there.

    MNsnowlizard made the cut before the announcement


  254. MNsnowlizard
    256 | November 30, 2009 8:08 pm

    @ Grouchy when NoMobeer:

    May I ask what she did?


  255. coldwarrior
    257 | November 30, 2009 8:10 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:

    alway have a FOE, VFW, and Legion card in my wallet at all times.


  256. coldwarrior
    258 | November 30, 2009 8:11 pm

    @ LanceKates:

    45 was always my cut off…gotta watch out for hypothermia on rides longer than 20 minutes or so.


  257. 259 | November 30, 2009 8:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ LanceKates:
    45 was always my cut off…gotta watch out for hypothermia on rides longer than 20 minutes or so.

    well, it is only 6 miles, but in hindsight, I should have DEFINATELY had the leather jacket….. though, i’m cold enough that it justified the hot apple cider with cinimon schnapps…. so yeah.


  258. MNsnowlizard
    260 | November 30, 2009 8:14 pm

    @ LanceKates:

    Diabetic here also. Type II, insulin dependant. But my diabetic educator last year put me on the insulin pump a few months after my heart surgery. Best thing I ever did…developed a little phobia of needles. Not good


  259. coldwarrior
    261 | November 30, 2009 8:15 pm

    h@ BenZacharia:

    islam delenda est…


  260. taxfreekiller
    262 | November 30, 2009 8:15 pm

    The “good stuff” on http://www.wattsupwiththat.com
    is the facts of what went down, down under in Aussie land.

    The group who stood up and said no to the aussie brand of cap and tax won out,

    NO CAP AND TAX in Aussie land, the bum who is going to Copenhagging to meet and have Obowma bow to him had his bow taken away by a boomarang.

    Just say no.

    Call your Senators tell them no…. on the “crap and tax”…
    tell 10 people ask them to tell 10,,, chain reaction….


  261. 263 | November 30, 2009 8:16 pm

    they look like goal post.


  262. coldwarrior
    264 | November 30, 2009 8:18 pm

    @ LanceKates:

    no matter how hot, i would not get on the ninja without full combat gear.

    i fell once, it was very hot, i had my leathers/helmet on…no road rash.


  263. coldwarrior
    265 | November 30, 2009 8:20 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:

    the pumps are good stuff, better than the needles.

    (not diabetic, medical professional)


  264. 266 | November 30, 2009 8:23 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:

    HUGE phobia of needles…. thankfully I’m good with metformin


  265. coldwarrior
    267 | November 30, 2009 8:24 pm

    we are doing quite good in the site rehab…chuckie has finally given up and admitted he’s a commie godless fuck and we aren’t all over it.

    well played, blogmocracy


  266. MNsnowlizard
    268 | November 30, 2009 8:24 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Amen on the pump. I had surgery in February and ended up back in the hospital in May with cardiac effusion. They had to take me of my warfarin, and then sent me home with a script for heparin shots. After that, I could not look at another insulin needle the same way.


  267. snork
    269 | November 30, 2009 8:25 pm

    livefreeor die wrote:

    Apparently we’re all homophobic, bigoted, anti-science, ODS, fascist, sexist, anti-government conspiracy theorists.

    And…?


  268. coldwarrior
    270 | November 30, 2009 8:25 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    my 2 senators are asshats…one of them is arlen “not proven” sphinkter


  269. 271 | November 30, 2009 8:26 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:
    She was/is one of his attack dogs and she worships him to a sicken degree.
    She wrote this on her website.
    Bye, bye GOP

    It was pretty easy to tell that she was never a real GOP’er as in what the core values are that the GOP stands for. So what she writes is rather a joke, but she is too crazy to get the joke.


  270. pbird
    272 | November 30, 2009 8:26 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    It made me cry. From a mixed up family too.


  271. MNsnowlizard
    273 | November 30, 2009 8:28 pm

    Well, everyone, once again, thank you for the kind welcome. I have probably commented more already tonight here than the whole time at the other place. I going to hit the hay so Good Night!!


  272. Abu Bin Squid
    274 | November 30, 2009 8:28 pm

    A huge Obama-bow to all Diabetics here; Lance, MNsnowlizard, et al. My 13 year old daughter is type 1 and got her pump 3 months ago. This health care “reform” pisses me off. They’ll want me to beg the gomamint for insulin longterm. Maybe we won’t get any if me or my wife doesn’t tow the commie requirements for “health”. I believe Barry will leverage my health against my child’s needs.

    Ohhhhh, for a Reagan right about now! At least Howard Dean has seen the light. There might be a chance to kill this crap.


  273. taxfreekiller
    275 | November 30, 2009 8:29 pm

    He goes with the vote winds, if he thinks the cap and trade deal will cost him votes he will knife it in the back ina dark alley and tell the cops you did it, aka he is an easy target due to how weak he is, go after him all the more@ coldwarrior:


  274. livefreeor die
    276 | November 30, 2009 8:29 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Ah, a fellow Pennsylvanian. Home of idiotic senators.


  275. coldwarrior
    277 | November 30, 2009 8:30 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:

    your diet control ok?

    heparin IM shots are tough, warfarin is a bit easier on the system and it isnt a shot…


  276. coldwarrior
    278 | November 30, 2009 8:31 pm

    MNsnowlizard wrote:

    Well, everyone, once again, thank you for the kind welcome. I have probably commented more already tonight here than the whole time at the other place. I going to hit the hay so Good Night!!

    nite!


  277. coldwarrior
    279 | November 30, 2009 8:33 pm

    livefreeor die wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Ah, a fellow Pennsylvanian. Home of idiotic senators.

    hooooray us!

    sphinkter HAS TO GO!


  278. 280 | November 30, 2009 8:34 pm

    @ LanceKates:
    I see your point and I agree.
    If we here in America start banning anything Islam.
    The goddless illiberals will make sure the American Christian “Taliban” is outlawed.

    We already hear from the leg humper Chris Matthews how Christians are just as bad as the Moslems.


  279. 281 | November 30, 2009 8:34 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ taxfreekiller:
    my 2 senators are asshats…one of them is arlen “not proven” sphinkter

    Best part of Oklahoma, I LOVE my Senators.


  280. snork
    282 | November 30, 2009 8:35 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I’ll trade you your senators for mine (Patty “Osama builds daycare centers” Murray, and Maria Cantvotewell). Gah, I’d almost trade Murray for Franken.


  281. snork
    283 | November 30, 2009 8:36 pm

    @ LanceKates:

    You do have good ones. Thank you for sending Inhofe to Washington.


  282. coldwarrior
    284 | November 30, 2009 8:37 pm

    snork wrote:

    livefreeor die wrote:
    Apparently we’re all homophobic, bigoted, anti-science, ODS, fascist, sexist, anti-government conspiracy theorists.
    And…?

    i’m not afraid of homos.

    i just want all the muzzies dead and the proggies in work camps.

    ;)


  283. 285 | November 30, 2009 8:38 pm

    @ Grouchy when NoMobeer:

    Exactly. We already have court cases about removing crosses from cemetaries and instances where youth pastors (even when requested by the students) have been not allowed to go to public schools to help with grieving students when a fellow student dies.

    oddly enough, all done in the name of ‘tolerance’ (pfft)

    How much more once we have a precident of just banning religious stuff? There’s already enough fear with the new hate crimes laws including homosexuality and a possible repercussion when it comes to preachers speaking AGAINST homosexuality on a moral level.


  284. coldwarrior
    286 | November 30, 2009 8:39 pm

    @ Grouchy when NoMobeer:

    whats with the nic change?


  285. MNsnowlizard
    287 | November 30, 2009 8:39 pm

    @ Grouchy when NoMobeer:

    Oh, okay, got it. That is like what CJ wrote tonight:
    Fascist? Don’t think so;

    Bigoted and white supremacist? My family is very multiculteral, so once again, don’t think so;

    Throwing women back to the dark ages? I am a woman, Chuck!;

    Anti-Science? I have an artificial valve and have an insulin pump, I don’t think I am anti-science;

    Homophobic? Sorry, got gay friends, haven’t stoned them yet;

    Anti-Gov’t? I don’t want the gov’t to take care of me, that’s all!;

    Conspiracy theorist? This from the man who thinks the oil companies and tobacco companies are involved with the GW debunking, what an idiot!


  286. coldwarrior
    288 | November 30, 2009 8:40 pm

    @ snork:

    can i trade a sphinkter and the other guy for an inhofe?


  287. MNsnowlizard
    289 | November 30, 2009 8:42 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    As you can tell from my above rant, haven’t gone to bed yet, :)

    Diet control is okay, can be better, trying to get that completely under my control. Was only on the heparin shots for about a week or so until my INR came back up. On the warfarin now, I hate it, but I know it is necessary.


  288. 290 | November 30, 2009 8:42 pm

    @ snork:

    There are still some Republicans worth voting for.

    My house rep is Mary Falen. another awesome person


  289. coldwarrior
    291 | November 30, 2009 8:42 pm

    MNsnowlizard wrote:

    @ Grouchy when NoMobeer:
    Oh, okay, got it. That is like what CJ wrote tonight:
    Fascist? Don’t think so;
    Bigoted and white supremacist? My family is very multiculteral, so once again, don’t think so;
    Throwing women back to the dark ages? I am a woman, Chuck!;
    Anti-Science? I have an artificial valve and have an insulin pump, I don’t think I am anti-science;
    Homophobic? Sorry, got gay friends, haven’t stoned them yet;
    Anti-Gov’t? I don’t want the gov’t to take care of me, that’s all!;
    Conspiracy theorist? This from the man who thinks the oil companies and tobacco companies are involved with the GW debunking, what an idiot!

    GO MN!!!

    preach it from the mountain!

    ‘cept MN is flat…but anyway, good on ya.

    feel better?


  290. 292 | November 30, 2009 8:42 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Just messing around. And I felt the need for a serious name that fit my serious avatar and how serious I am.

    I don’t joke around.
    /


  291. MNsnowlizard
    293 | November 30, 2009 8:45 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Very much so, thank you. Now with that, I must sign off before the second wind hits and I am up until 3 am…


  292. coldwarrior
    294 | November 30, 2009 8:46 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:

    be real careful not to brush or floss too hard.

    and watch your diet like a hawk. VIt K is the antidote to warfarin…ya know, salads and such


  293. 295 | November 30, 2009 8:47 pm

    @ snork:
    I’ve been called worse names than that.


  294. 296 | November 30, 2009 8:47 pm

    @ livefreeor die:
    Being from California, I am sure I win the idiot senator[s] contest, by a country mile.


  295. coldwarrior
    297 | November 30, 2009 8:47 pm

    Grouchy when NoMobeer wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Just messing around. And I felt the need for a serious name that fit my serious avatar and how serious I am.
    I don’t joke around.
    /

    you do not joke around, no doubt there…

    ummm, maybe if you got some mo beer…


  296. coldwarrior
    298 | November 30, 2009 8:49 pm

    Grouchy when NoMobeer wrote:

    @ livefreeor die:
    Being from California, I am sure I win the idiot senator[s] contest, by a country mile.

    i have arlen specter


  297. coldwarrior
    299 | November 30, 2009 8:49 pm

    @ MNsnowlizard:

    nite, again….


  298. 300 | November 30, 2009 8:50 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    That reminds me, I recently read a report that Vitamin C helps stave off some of the effects of Diabetes.

    though I’d still stick to the pill/powder form as they don’t make OJ without sugar (yet)


  299. coldwarrior
    301 | November 30, 2009 8:53 pm

    LanceKates wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    That reminds me, I recently read a report that Vitamin C helps stave off some of the effects of Diabetes.
    though I’d still stick to the pill/powder form as they don’t make OJ without sugar (yet)

    yeah…there is talk of that with the C…what dosage tho?


  300. 302 | November 30, 2009 8:53 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    We got Pelosi and Boxer. And some I cant recall. All commie lovers

    Spit….


  301. snork
    303 | November 30, 2009 8:53 pm

    @ LanceKates:

    And I get “Baghdad” Jim McDermott.


  302. pbird
    304 | November 30, 2009 9:36 pm

    LanceKates wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    That reminds me, I recently read a report that Vitamin C helps stave off some of the effects of Diabetes.
    though I’d still stick to the pill/powder form as they don’t make OJ without sugar (yet)

    Have you heard that a daily dose of vit D3 helps an awful lot with diabetes? Look it up. It appears to be true.


  303. coldwarrior
    305 | November 30, 2009 9:41 pm

    @ pbird:
    .

    D makes a little more sense than C….

    i have to read up on this.


  304. 306 | December 1, 2009 7:41 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Probably around a few thousand mg. RDA is way the hell too low for C. I’m sure you’d have to up your zinc too, in order for the C to function well.

    @ pbird:
    I had heard that. I’ve recently started taking a multivitamin that has good amounts of D in it, not sure if it is D3 or not, but I may pick some up this weekend from puritan’s pride. (they’re always running buy 2 get 3 free specials)


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