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by Kafir ( 252 Comments › )
Filed under Links, Open thread at December 5th, 2009 - 10:28 am

Iran warns Switzerland over minaret ban

Iran warned Switzerland on Saturday of “consequences” over a referendum banning the building of new mosque minarets and urged Bern not to enforce the ban, the official IRNA news agency reported.

The vote went “against the prestige of a country which claims to be an advocate of democracy and human rights,” Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki told Swiss counterpart Micheline Calmy-Rey in a telephone call, quoted by IRNA.
[...]

IRNA said Switzerland’s ambassador in Tehran was summoned on Saturday before the foreign ministry, which protested against the minaret ban which was backed by more than 57% of voters who cast their ballot on November 29.

Calmy-Rey said the referendum was carried out against the will of the Swiss government, which would “use all its means to support Muslims rights,” the IRNA report added.

The referendum on a constitutional ban on minarets was proposed by a rightwing Swiss party and had not been expected to succeed.

Obama approval rating below 50 percent
ON A CNN POLL

Forty-eight percent of Americans questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. national survey released Friday said they approve of the job Obama is doing as president — a drop of 7 percentage points from a survey last month.

Obama Ignores ‘Climate-Gate’ in Revising Copenhagen Plans

The scandal has prompted calls for Obama from global warming skeptics to skip this month’s climate summit in Copenhagen — instead, the White House is doubling down on its commitment.

Russia turns to Israel for help in investigation into train bombing


And in case you missed it:

The Illegal-Settlements Myth – (link from Wrath-of-God)

NYT’s op-ed – The 9/11 of 1859 – (hattip to snork)

Few if any Americans today would question the justness of John Brown’s cause: the abolition of human bondage. But as the nation prepares to try Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who calls himself the architect of the 9/11 attacks, it may be worth pondering the parallels between John Brown’s raid in 1859 and Al Qaeda’s assault in 2001.

Yes, he said that. And it seems Bernadine Dohrn thinks she’s the 60′s equivilent:

Pro-violence abolitionist John Brown studied in NY

LAKE PLACID, N.Y. — John Brown, the 19th-century abolitionist who advocated armed violence, is drawing a diverse crowd this week to study how his fight against slavery continues to play in America.
[...]

Organizers say the symposium, on Friday and Saturday, will examine the impact of Brown’s fight against slavery on America then and how it reverberates today. Speakers include Bernardine Dohrn, one of the best-known leaders of the 1960s radical group the Weather Underground; Maria Suarez, a Mexican immigrant who was virtually enslaved by a Southern California man after being lured to work for him in 1976; Russell Banks, author of the fictional Brown biography “Cloudsplitter”; and Alice Keesey Mecoy, a Brown descendant.
[...]

“We’re trying to get people to take a look at the use of violence in our country — why American culture uses violence to achieve an end,” Wikoff said.

Dohrn would be an expert at that.

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  1. snork
    1 | December 5, 2009 10:33 am

    Cuz Al-Queda is only interesting in building day-care centers. My senator even said so!


  2. snork
    2 | December 5, 2009 10:34 am

    Linky.


  3. snork
    3 | December 5, 2009 10:36 am

    Oh, and m, incoming.


  4. snork
    4 | December 5, 2009 10:41 am

    Ok, since nobody wants to talk about that, McIntyre has an interesting post here about the new phenomenon of “uber-viral” news. If the numbers mean anything, despite the absolute embargo imposed by the American MSM on the CRUtape letters™ a.k.a. Climategate, there are more hits than with the Tiger woods story.

    The MSM oligopoly is lost. Long live the profit Al-Gore’s innertubes.


  5. waldensianspirit
    5 | December 5, 2009 10:46 am

    Bring it.

    If they want to go lululululululul at the top of their lungs climbing up Alps after an enemy trained to shoot them between the eyes, be my guest.


  6. waldensianspirit
    6 | December 5, 2009 10:48 am

    @ snork:

    The MSM oligopoly is lost.

    Bail out time!


  7. m
    7 | December 5, 2009 10:48 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    I like how they can say -- “you’re not being democratic by letting the people decide”! lol Oh, and now a minaret is a friggen human right.


  8. mfhorn
    8 | December 5, 2009 10:53 am

    So if radical Muzzies are excused for their actions, and if groups like Weather Underground & the voter intimidation types are given a nod & a wink and if John Brown is being given a ’2nd look’ for his righteous opposition to slavery, then logically (which I know kills the whole argument) anyone who held ANY kind of belief would be justified in backing it with murder, rather than going through the legal process.

    Of course, well all know that only those on the LEFT are justified in committing violence. Conservatives are bent on forcing their hateful, mean-spirited views on everyone else.


  9. wolfie
    9 | December 5, 2009 10:56 am

    John Brown’s cause was a good one, in contrast to Al Qaeda’s, but he was still a whacked out killer and terrorist.

    They say,“We’re trying to get people to take a look at the use of violence in our country — why American culture uses violence to achieve an end.” But John Brown was never typical of Americans, any more that Ayers and Dohrn are typical, and his story has nothing to tell us about the mainstream of American history. It’s not “American culture” that uses terrorism. It’s isolated, self-righteous, unbalanced fanatics like the Weathermen.

    The radical moonbats of New England, believing that any means justified the end, made John Brown into a saint and martyr. But even most opponents of slavery, not to mention most Americans in general, considered him a wretched criminal whose fate was more than deserved.


  10. vagabond trader
    10 | December 5, 2009 10:56 am

    @ m:

    And lets not forget Iran is a bastion of religious tolerance and freedom.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/3179465/Hanged-for-being-a-Christian-in-Iran.html


  11. 11 | December 5, 2009 10:59 am

    @ m:

    Oh yeah. The most intolerant people on the planet squeal like the pigs at the slightest whiff of intolerance of them. Islam didn’t invent hypocrisy, but they are well on the road to perfecting it.


  12. mfhorn
    12 | December 5, 2009 10:59 am

    @ m:

    Exactly. The Swiss didn’t put an end to construction of all mosques, just the minarets on them. I’d bet that it’s a height restriction which would also apply to newly constructed churches or temples as well.

    I read somewhere (here?) that the Jews adapted to similar regulations regarding the overall height of buildings by digging a deeper foundation to create the illusion of height when you’re inside the building.


  13. 13 | December 5, 2009 11:01 am

    @ snork:
    NBC covered it last night. In typical fashion they did it in such a way as to make it seem non-important. They only interviewed people who thought it was a non-story.


  14. Bumr50
    14 | December 5, 2009 11:02 am

    Mornin’ all!

    Thanks for fixing me whoever. I thought perhaps my alternate personality was sleepwalking last night and was posting about how right Charles Johnson is.

    /


  15. mfhorn
    15 | December 5, 2009 11:03 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    And we all know that Christians want to do the same thing here in the US.

    //


  16. vagabond trader
    16 | December 5, 2009 11:03 am

    Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is no John Brown. The 9/11 attack caused mass, indiscriminate slaughter, for inscrutable ends.

    Yeah, John Brown was no KSM but in the interest of pimping my books I’ll author an editorial opinion with specious parallels between the two.//


  17. Doppelganger
    17 | December 5, 2009 11:04 am

    “We’re trying to get people to take a look at the use of violence in our country — why American culture uses violence to achieve an end,” Wikoff said

    bad craziness on the left


  18. wolfie
    18 | December 5, 2009 11:05 am

    I sure hope that the Swiss poeple don’t let themselves be bullied on this issue by their ruling elites or by the EU thought police.


  19. vagabond trader
    19 | December 5, 2009 11:07 am

    @ mfhorn:

    Ooops those democracy loving Iranians again.

    http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/547


  20. Bumr50
    20 | December 5, 2009 11:09 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    How else can we ensure “fair” media coverage?

    If we don’t bail them out, partisan politics might rule the day!

    Horrors!

    /


  21. Bumr50
    21 | December 5, 2009 11:11 am

    MORE NO POSTS!! HELP HELP HELP


  22. m
    22 | December 5, 2009 11:11 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    Our left wants to love democracy like they do.


  23. Doppelganger
    23 | December 5, 2009 11:13 am

    The swiss have it right.
    Islam in many ways is like HIV. The infection is insidious. Once it’s in, it multiplies and eventually takes over

    england is infected. that country is dead.
    france is fighting it. probably too late too but there is hope with the slave bag ban.

    Go Swiss!


  24. vagabond trader
    24 | December 5, 2009 11:17 am

    @ m:

    As Rodan says they are allied with the progressive tranzies. :-)

    Hi m!


  25. Frenchie
    25 | December 5, 2009 11:18 am

    Ze Swees used to be strong fighters, no? Where ez ze worlds response to ze constant sthreats coming from Iran? Pepe does not believe it should be ze accepting silince. Would ze Swees be ze evil ones for sending a few well aimed cruise missles in response?


  26. Frenchie
    26 | December 5, 2009 11:19 am

    No one is allowed to answer in kind to islamists shaking feests at ze ceevilized world, even knowing zem to be murderers, terroriests and worse? How deed we come to such?


  27. vagabond trader
    27 | December 5, 2009 11:20 am

    @ Frenchie:

    Would ze Swees be ze evil ones for sending a few well aimed cruise missles in response?

    Or at least a few well aimed wheels of ze stinkeee cheese,no?


  28. waldensianspirit
    28 | December 5, 2009 11:22 am

    @ vagabond trader:
    I understand stinky cheese is a great catalyst for enriching uranium.


  29. m
    29 | December 5, 2009 11:23 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    Hey VT! He’s got a vay vith vords, no?

    (oh no, frenchie you’re rubbing off!)


  30. vagabond trader
    30 | December 5, 2009 11:24 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Only in its halal form. :-)


  31. 31 | December 5, 2009 11:25 am

    The vote went “against the prestige of a country which claims to be an advocate of democracy and human rights,” Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki told Swiss counterpart Micheline Calmy-Rey in a telephone call, quoted by IRNA.

    I suggest that humans have a right to be free of islam.


  32. 32 | December 5, 2009 11:26 am

    @ m:

    Hello there!

    I’m going to watch the SEC championship today.


  33. coldwarrior
    33 | December 5, 2009 11:27 am

    Crusader Rabbit wrote:

    The vote went “against the prestige of a country which claims to be an advocate of democracy and human rights,” Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki told Swiss counterpart Micheline Calmy-Rey in a telephone call, quoted by IRNA.
    I suggest that humans have a right to be free of islam.

    the globe has a need and a right to be free of those sub-humans.

    islam delenda est


  34. 34 | December 5, 2009 11:27 am

    @ m:

    Hey M, Bumr50 just left a comment on my blog saying that he cant post on The blogmocracy, is there a problem???


  35. coldwarrior
    35 | December 5, 2009 11:30 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ m:
    Hey M, Bumr50 just left a comment on my blog saying that he cant post on The blogmocracy, is there a problem???

    rodan banned him.


  36. coldwarrior
    36 | December 5, 2009 11:31 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    @ m:
    Hey M, Bumr50 just left a comment on my blog saying that he cant post on The blogmocracy, is there a problem???

    rodan banned him.

    of course, he deserved it. just kidding!


  37. Frenchie
    37 | December 5, 2009 11:31 am

    Pepe like ze steenky cheese on steaks and salads, yes?
    Ets too good for zem, lets send ze steenky humus instead.


  38. vagabond trader
    38 | December 5, 2009 11:31 am

    @ m:

    Loves the Frenchie! Frenchie,if you are a madamoseille please do not take that ze wronged way.


  39. waldensianspirit
    39 | December 5, 2009 11:32 am

    Hey Geepers? We’ll make a run at a thousand this week so you can silently sweep in and claim the prize.


  40. 40 | December 5, 2009 11:32 am

    @ m:

    Check yer mail :-)


  41. mawskrat
    41 | December 5, 2009 11:34 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ m:
    Hello there!
    I’m going to watch the SEC championship today.

    ROLL TIDE!


  42. vagabond trader
    42 | December 5, 2009 11:35 am

    @ Bumr50:

    What, did you neglect to pay the marriage tax??

    :D


  43. coldwarrior
    43 | December 5, 2009 11:35 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ m:
    Hello there!
    I’m going to watch the SEC championship today.
    ROLL TIDE!

    that is gonna be a fine football game, cant wait.

    i cant predict who wins this one.


  44. vagabond trader
    44 | December 5, 2009 11:36 am

    @ Frenchie:

    Compromise, bacon hummus.


  45. 45 | December 5, 2009 11:39 am

    John Brown is fascinating, because he was such a successful terrorist.

    For context, you’ll want to look at this map. No: I command you to look at this map. :^) In 1856, the North had already decided to band together in the cause to reconstruct the South. The rest of the nation didn’t know what was about to hit it; it was still running the usual sort of election (Democrats on one side, someone else on the other -- at this time, the Know-Nothings).

    Brown understood that if he committed a terror attack close to DC, rather than in Kansas (or Missouri) where that sort of thing happened all the time: then he would unite the South against the North, and force border states like Pennsylvania to quit messing about. John Brown was trying to destroy America as it then was.

    I don’t know what Brown thought would happen in 1860. A narrow Republican loss was possible, which would have meant Northern secession (which they threatened to do in 1812 IIRC). Maybe the North would have unilaterally joined Canada and called for help from the English and Napoleon III of France. Whatever happened, Brown ensured that the next stage was going to be violent.


  46. 46 | December 5, 2009 11:41 am

    Well, Chuckles has his panties in a wad over this:

    Honestly, I think she’s right on target!


  47. vagabond trader
    47 | December 5, 2009 11:42 am

    @ snork:

    So, you think the story is going to take hold or become another easily squashed “distraction” for the zealots?


  48. m
    48 | December 5, 2009 11:44 am

    @ Rodan:

    I hope you have a driver!


  49. snork
    49 | December 5, 2009 11:44 am

    John Brown is fascinating, because he was such a successful terrorist.

    Are we just making up definitions as we go along? I missed the story about the bomb that John Brown planed in the disco. Or the time he shot up a shopping mall. “Guerrilla” perhaps. “Terrorist”, no.


  50. m
    50 | December 5, 2009 11:44 am

    @ doriangrey:

    They were going to spam for some reason.


  51. 51 | December 5, 2009 11:45 am

    m wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    They were going to spam for some reason.

    Can you, or have you fixed it?


  52. vagabond trader
    52 | December 5, 2009 11:47 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Yup,the militant atheists brand her a fanatic who will fill your kids with the spirit of G-d.The perverse instruction of Kevin Jennings is so much more tolerant and 21st century.//


  53. waldensianspirit
    53 | December 5, 2009 11:47 am

    @ MacDuff:
    The worst and dumbest commenters on the net pollute youtube.


  54. 54 | December 5, 2009 11:49 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    What, he’s not banned.


  55. MrPaulRevere
    55 | December 5, 2009 11:50 am

    @ MacDuff: I do as well. She merely calls for prayer and humility, no mention of theocracy or of demonizing others who are not believers. According to CJ logic, our first President and father of the nation was a right wing religious kook. From President Washington’s farewell address: Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp


  56. waldensianspirit
    56 | December 5, 2009 11:50 am

    Yep “scientists” are the high priests of the modern era. That is why the Goracle and Nodickens covet the distinction so badly.


  57. waldensianspirit
    57 | December 5, 2009 11:50 am

    @ Rodan:
    messin’ with you


  58. wright1
    58 | December 5, 2009 11:51 am

    A bit off topic. Actially a lot off topic. I just came across what has gotten me banned at 1.0. Thought I would share it. It was a retort to the never ending threads on Darwinism. It took a short time thereafter to be shown the door. That said, the comments posted by me is of course my view. I recognize that not all who post here are Christian so I offer no offense to Jewish brethren, etc. Well here you are:

    More Americans Believe in the Devil, Hell and Angels than in Darwin’s Theory of Evolution
    [Link: http://www.marketwatch.com...
    I cite to this because there is this idea out there that evolution is the new religion supplanting the Truth.
    It is not the truth. Rather, evolution is a part of His plan. The Truth is that God exists and his Son Jesus was sent to be the savior of our world - that is the Truth.
    And, for those who not only believe in God, but also know there is a God, who will redeem us upon death to join Him forever into eternity with his son Jesus, his mother Mary, and all of the angels and Saints and Martyrs who have gone before us, I say to you, do not subscribe to this notion that the world and all creation which exists is somehow the result of some sort of randomness or mathematical equation.
    It is not. Those who are striving hard to avoid the cause of Faith being introduced into the public square are not believers. If they were, they would be defending their Faith and the Faith of all. Instead, because they are not believers, they hunker down in positions of attack from their comfortable exteriors; their positions, which are based upon the promulgation of their status quo, so they can live unremarkable lives without the fanfare of truly confronting the existence of God, bear witness to the small shadows of their lives, that are otherwise ordinary, because their lives are devoid of giving any glory to God, focusing instead on the smallness of their own existence.
    Much bickering and bantering occur here at this site on this issue. As stated, the fight is perpetuated here by many ensconced members who are secure in their positions much as the saduccees were in Jesus's time. Hanging on to a false sentiment because it is all that defines you. So ill tempered ,that you cannot even percieve that you have lost your way. Well, your way is lost. But fear not, God is here for you. Every minute - every second, He is pining for your return so that He may gather you in to take part in his celebration.

    To those who reject Faith and embrace evolution, your adamant contention in drawing lines in the sand as to what is and what is not appropriate for public discourse is devoid of one essential element. It is based upon falsehood. There is One Truth. One God. One Savior. For those who are trying to walk that fine line relegating your Faith to the back seat [always] to advance your argument so that you are made comfortable and accepted, allow me to say you are denying your Lord and Savior every time you participate in one of these diatribes about why the world was not made by the one true God. You are denying your Maker. Think about this.


  59. 59 | December 5, 2009 11:51 am

    @ MacDuff:

    It’s interesting that CJ gets his panties in a wad every time Palin mentions God or her faith, but had no problem with Obama declaring loudly and often that he was a Christian. Is that because CJ (and the Left) know Obama is full of shit and is really about as much a Christian as Anton Zandor LaVey? Or is it just that the Race Card protects him there, too. After all, no one objects to the Reverends Jackson and Sharpton being vocal and active in politics, or the fact that black churches are used as recruiting tools and propaganda centers for the Left.

    It is an interesting bit of utter hippocracy from the Left. I guess it’s not as if that has never happened before, but we should point out their hippocracy every chance we get…


  60. m
    60 | December 5, 2009 11:51 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    whooosh! I felt that blast from the past!!

    @ Iron Fist:

    Will do.

    @ doriangrey:

    I let them out, but my cat deleted a couple by accident when he walked across the keyboard ~:(

    I don’t know why in the world they are flagging Bumr. Askimet gone wild!


  61. coldwarrior
    61 | December 5, 2009 11:53 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    messin’ with you

    he’s short tempered! my wife and i are watching the games and the snow and reading the blog…i told her, ‘watch this’ and posted the banned thing quickly followed by the just kidding.

    hiya rodan!

    :)


  62. 62 | December 5, 2009 11:53 am

    @ MrPaulRevere:

    George Washington was obviously a pre-right wing extremist…


  63. waldensianspirit
    63 | December 5, 2009 11:54 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Precisely! They back all fakery and fight sincerity.


  64. snork
    64 | December 5, 2009 11:54 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Compromise, bacon hummus.

    OMG, that sounds obscenely yummy.


  65. chickadee
    65 | December 5, 2009 11:55 am

    I just got back from the rally at Foley Square in front of the Court House where Zero and Holder intend to try the 9-11 monsters. There was big crowd, maybe 2000 people, all standing resolute in the cold nasty rain. There was a big screen set up so we could see all the speakers. Andrew McCarthy who prosecuted the ‘blind sheik’ for the 1993 bombing of the WTC really slammed Zero for this dangerous decision. There is no reason to bring these scum back to the scene of the attack. They are enemy combatants, captured on the battlefield. Military tribunals are the only choice here. Debra Burlingame, whose brother was the pilot of the plane that hit the Pentagon, was outraged that these animals get the benefits of American citizens in this case where they committed such a hideous act of war on our country. Curtis Sliwa was so passionate. He really fired up the cold wet crowd. He kept calling KSM: Khalid ‘the schmuck’ Mohammed. LOL. Curtis said John Gotti Jr. who had tried to murder him twice just got a hung jury for the 4th time because the jury of his peers was afraid to convict him. So imagine trying to get jurors brave enough to convict a monster like K ‘the schmuck’ M. Fatwas and all.
    They played a video of Holder being grilled abt. ‘his’ decision to bring the scum to nyc. There was no way he could justify doing this. He looked like a fool. The crowd was lively, booed Zero and Holder.
    Also a gal from the 9-11 Families organization said most of the families are against these terrorists being tried here. Lots of people are working to stop the terror trial from taking place in nyc.
    Congress could stop this madness. That is the next step. Get congress involved.
    Now I have to get a hot cup of tea and dry off.


  66. coldwarrior
    66 | December 5, 2009 11:56 am

    @ snork:

    bacon makes everything yummy!


  67. 67 | December 5, 2009 11:56 am

    @ m:

    @ doriangrey:

    I let them out, but my cat deleted a couple by accident when he walked across the keyboard ~:(

    OH DEAR… there is a horrible joke in their about Bumr50 getting pawned by your pussycat… But I really shouldn’t go there…


  68. 68 | December 5, 2009 11:57 am

    snork: What kind of “guerrilla” campaign could be held within 60 miles of DC? The area had been settled for centuries by the 1850s.

    And you missed the violence Brown did against civilians before that, such as the Pottawatomie Massacre. Brown didn’t serve any warrants or writs upon pro-slavery settlers; he just killed them. The whole point was to make Kansas too scary for pro-slavery people to settle.

    The pro-slavery settlers gave as good as they got, of course, but that doesn’t exonerate Brown of the charge of illegal violence against civilians with intent to inflict terror.


  69. snork
    69 | December 5, 2009 11:57 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ snork:
    So, you think the story is going to take hold or become another easily squashed “distraction” for the zealots?

    I think the toothpaste is out of the tube, and nobody can push it back in again. I saw something else, that the total year-to-date google hits for “climategate” is closing in on total YTD hits for “climate change”, and should pass it up in the next day or two.


  70. Guggi
    70 | December 5, 2009 11:58 am

    Bella ciao, Iran

    (And yes, the music is the anthem of the Italian communist partisans in their struggle against the Italian Fascists)


  71. 71 | December 5, 2009 11:59 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Kathleen Parker, David Frum, David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, Newsweek, Tina Brown, MSNBC, Andrew Sullivan and Charlie; all horses of different colors, but still the same horse.

    Nothing Sarah says or does will ever get them to say anything respectful, decent or honestly about her.


  72. m
    72 | December 5, 2009 11:59 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Especially since he can’t seem to defend himself at the moment! lol

    I’m so sorry Bumr! You’re on the “good guy” list, I don’t know why wordpress thinks you['re] spam today!


  73. waldensianspirit
    73 | December 5, 2009 12:00 pm

    or skip everything and its yummy


  74. 74 | December 5, 2009 12:02 pm

    snork wrote:

    I missed the story about the bomb that John Brown planed in the disco. Or the time he shot up a shopping mall. “Guerrilla” perhaps. “Terrorist”, no.

    Failed rebel is more like it. His main objective with raiding Harpers Ferry was to arm his men for an effort to start and lead a slave revolt in the South.


  75. Rule303
    75 | December 5, 2009 12:02 pm

    Re: John Brown, Dorn, et al:

    You know, I gave up asking, “Can people really be this stupid?” a long while ago when I realized, yes, they really can.


  76. wolfie
    76 | December 5, 2009 12:02 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Good grief! That’s exactly the kind of thing Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Cleveland, or even the Roosevelt boys might have said. The horror! Burn her at the stake!


  77. 77 | December 5, 2009 12:03 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    It’s interesting that CJ gets his panties in a wad every time Palin mentions God or her faith, but had no problem with Obama declaring loudly and often that he was a Christian. Is that because CJ (and the Left) know Obama is full of shit and is really about as much a Christian as Anton Zandor LaVey? Or is it just that the Race Card protects him there, too. After all, no one objects to the Reverends Jackson and Sharpton being vocal and active in politics, or the fact that black churches are used as recruiting tools and propaganda centers for the Left.
    It is an interesting bit of utter hippocracy from the Left. I guess it’s not as if that has never happened before, but we should point out their hippocracy every chance we get…

    Charles is, simply put, a liar and one of the leading anti-Christian bigots in America. Catch his post regarding this video:

    Sarah Palin’s extreme religious beliefs are on display in this video released by the Billy Graham organization, in which she repeats the long-debunked fundamentalist canard that the founding fathers “dedicated the country to God,” and calls for America to be ruled by “godly” leaders.

    And of course, she’s not talking about Judaism or Buddhism here. She’s advocating a religious test for office, and only Christians need apply. Has she ever heard of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the US Constitution?

    This is why Palin was selected by the John McCain campaign in the 2008 election — to mollify the religious right.

    I defy ANYONE to point out ANY extremism in this video. Charles seems to recoil at the very mention of God. As you said though, he seems highly selective in his outrage.


  78. 78 | December 5, 2009 12:03 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    \Yeah I’m getting ready to go see the Florida-Alabama game.


  79. snork
    79 | December 5, 2009 12:05 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Saw this on a climate blog:

    In God we Trust, all others show code and data!

    And Phil Jones, let me remind you, you’re not God (and neither is Michael Mann).


  80. MrPaulRevere
    80 | December 5, 2009 12:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I just listened again to Palin’s video for the 3rd time, and found nothing objectionable. No calls for theocracy. No demonizing of non believers. Zip, zero, nada. Apparently you know who has super human hearing, he hears a ‘dog whistle’ only a handful of others can.


  81. coldwarrior
    81 | December 5, 2009 12:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    \Yeah I’m getting ready to go see the Florida-Alabama game.

    i assume you are going to the bar…cause if you have tickets, i’ll be sooo jealous!


  82. m
    82 | December 5, 2009 12:06 pm

    @ Rule303:

    Sad isn’t it?


  83. Poteen
    83 | December 5, 2009 12:08 pm

    m wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Especially since he can’t seem to defend himself at the moment! lol
    I’m so sorry Bumr! You’re on the “good guy” list, I don’t know why wordpress thinks you['re] spam today!

    Heehee. Time for a ‘Bag on Bumr’ thread.


  84. coldwarrior
    84 | December 5, 2009 12:09 pm

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I just listened again to Palin’s video for the 3rd time, and found nothing objectionable. No calls for theocracy. No demonizing of non believers. Zip, zero, nada. Apparently you know who has super human hearing, he hears a ‘dog whistle’ only a handful of others can.

    not a good week for penn state…first they have mann tenured there, he is now under investigation. second, they had bill ayers speak on thursday and the alumnae went batshit and yanked a lot of dollars.


  85. m
    85 | December 5, 2009 12:11 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    He’s trying to put a wedge document (heh™) between Jews & Christians. I watched it twice and never heard her say anything remotely like what he claims she said.


  86. MrPaulRevere
    86 | December 5, 2009 12:12 pm

    @ wolfie:
    Indeed! From FDR’s D-Day invasion speech: And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in prayer:

    Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity…And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment — let not these deter us in our unconquerable purpose. http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/fdr-prayer.htm


  87. 87 | December 5, 2009 12:12 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    The bar as always!


  88. Bumr50
    88 | December 5, 2009 12:12 pm

    LOL!

    I’ve been redeemed!

    Smokey the cat and Askimet are on my sh*t list!


  89. coldwarrior
    89 | December 5, 2009 12:13 pm

    @ Rodan:

    yuengs and wings?


  90. coldwarrior
    90 | December 5, 2009 12:15 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    LOL!
    I’ve been redeemed!
    Smokey the cat and Askimet are on my sh*t list!

    back from your time out, i see!

    /s


  91. mawskrat
    91 | December 5, 2009 12:15 pm

    un real UC ties Pitt


  92. Guggi
    92 | December 5, 2009 12:16 pm

    This goes to far:

    219 Charles
    Sat, Dec 5, 2009 9:05:34am replyquote 3downupreport

    re: #157 sattv4u2

    James Hansen of NASA’s Goddard Institute

    “[Global warming] is analogous to the issue of slavery faced by Abraham Lincoln or the issue of Nazism faced by Winston Churchill … On those kind of issues you cannot compromise. You can’t say, let’s reduce slavery, let’s find a compromise and reduce it 50 percent or reduce it 40 percent.”

    Glad to see all of the over the top rhetoric isn’t limited to the deniers. Plenty of CRAZY to spread around!

    I don’t think there’s anything crazy about those comparisons — there is a serious threat to mankind from global warming. I know there are lots of people here who want to believe there’s nothing to worry about, but it couldn’t be more serious.

    The comparison is valid because Hansen is talking about huge problems that required huge solutions.


  93. MrPaulRevere
    93 | December 5, 2009 12:16 pm

    George Washington and FDR were ‘right wing religious theocrat’s, using LGF non logic. The man is a full on anti Christian bigot.


  94. Bumr50
    94 | December 5, 2009 12:17 pm

    Call me Spam and put me in a can.


  95. m
    95 | December 5, 2009 12:17 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Whew! What in the world?!

    (someone check his pockets for spammage, please)

    /

    ;-)


  96. mawskrat
    96 | December 5, 2009 12:18 pm

    Rodan…we know you are really rooting for Bamma

    ROLL TIDE!


  97. coldwarrior
    97 | December 5, 2009 12:18 pm

    mawskrat wrote:

    un real UC ties Pitt

    this pitt alum is rooting for cinci.

    i dont think pitt is strong enough to win a bcs bowl


  98. MrPaulRevere
    98 | December 5, 2009 12:20 pm

    @ Guggi:
    “I don’t think there’s anything crazy about those comparisons” Wow, just wow, thanks for posting that Gucci. The loon is now comparing global warming to the Holocaust. What a pig.


  99. Bumr50
    99 | December 5, 2009 12:20 pm

    Thanks to all who’ve rescued me (m) and who’ve had fun with my nic!

    BBL. Gotta go run the grandparents to the grocery store.


  100. snork
    100 | December 5, 2009 12:22 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Yep. Those mutant space monkeys are a threat to everything! And they’re hiding behind the moon on the dark side planning their attack right now. I just know it, because of Fermi’s Paradox.


  101. 101 | December 5, 2009 12:22 pm

    @ m:

    I relayed that, thank you m….


  102. vagabond trader
    102 | December 5, 2009 12:23 pm

    @ snork:

    With a touch of sun dried tomato. ummm ummm ummm.


  103. Lincolntf
    103 | December 5, 2009 12:24 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Oh for crying out loud Sattv! Are you gonna take shit from that paranoid faux-scientist forever? You know the truth but you aren’t allowed to say it. Your world must suck.


  104. Mashiki
    104 | December 5, 2009 12:24 pm

    Oh look. Iran…they are posturing again. Well what can one expect from a religious theocracy that expects people to jump, compared to a complete social democracy where the power actually lies in the peoples hands to the point where if you want citizenship it’s at the township level.

    The level of extreme freedoms here is enlightening, it also makes me chuckle.


  105. 105 | December 5, 2009 12:24 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yup!


  106. Lincolntf
    106 | December 5, 2009 12:26 pm

    Holy Pitt!


  107. vagabond trader
    107 | December 5, 2009 12:26 pm

    @ m:

    Undocumented spammage he brought home from Mexico is my guess//

    :-)


  108. coldwarrior
    108 | December 5, 2009 12:27 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ m:
    Undocumented spammage he brought home from Mexico is my guess//

    he’s gonna need anti-spam drugs for that.


  109. vagabond trader
    109 | December 5, 2009 12:28 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Good job! Saw a bit of it on Fox news. Not much said about Islamists but hey they are now owned by the Saudis.

    Sorry we could not attend, about to snow here.


  110. m
    111 | December 5, 2009 12:30 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Sneaky little buggers!


  111. snork
    112 | December 5, 2009 12:31 pm

    And related to Fermi’s Paradox is Postrel’s Paradox, which basically can be stated: If a man can’t figure out what to get his wife for Christmas, how can the government know what’s good for all of us?


  112. vagabond trader
    113 | December 5, 2009 12:32 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Yeah because it would be so much better to have an ex muzz/phony Chrisitan/ atheist Potus who “empathizes” with terrorists.Oh wait


  113. snork
    114 | December 5, 2009 12:32 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Do I have to say it?

    “I know God. God is a friend of mine. And you sir, are no God”…


  114. wolfie
    115 | December 5, 2009 12:33 pm

    @ wright1:

    Good for you! I remember you (your nic) on those threads because you were one of the few Catholics who refused to take CJ’s divide-and-conquer bait.

    Remember, Mr. Tolerance started with the assertion that what people believe privately doesn’t matter, as long as they keep it out of science classes in the public schools. But very soon it became a smear-and-laugh fest against Evangelical literalism, period.

    CJ would drag out the Vatican and Catholic teaching on evolution (which he misinterpreted, of course)and would use it to bash other Christians. I was terribly disappointed to see so many of my fellow Catholics smugly join CJ’s attacks.

    As I say, I remember you as one who was not fooled into denigrating our Evangelical brethren. You also caught on very quickly—-more quickly than I, BTW— that this whole obsession was not just anti-”creationist” but anti-Creator.


  115. coldwarrior
    116 | December 5, 2009 12:33 pm

    snork wrote:

    And related to Fermi’s Paradox is Postrel’s Paradox, which basically can be stated: If a man can’t figure out what to get his wife for Christmas, how can the government know what’s good for all of us?

    then that man is stoopid…when all else fails, diamonds and or gold works every time its tried. this isnt rocket science, or climate science for that matter!


  116. vagabond trader
    117 | December 5, 2009 12:33 pm

    @ snork:

    LOL! Just don’t bring her a vacum cleaner or washing machine!


  117. m
    118 | December 5, 2009 12:35 pm

    Democracy loving Iran bans foreign media cover as student rally nears

    Police and elite Revolutionary Guards have warned that any “illegal” rally will be fiercely confronted on Monday when the country marks Student Day, commemorating the killing of three students in 1953 under the former Shah.

    “All permits issued for foreign media to cover news in Tehran have been revoked from December 7 to December 9,” the Culture Ministry’s foreign press department said on Saturday in an SMS text message sent to journalists, photographers and cameramen working for foreign media in Iran.


  118. 119 | December 5, 2009 12:35 pm

    I’ll lay out more of these patterns.

    The ingredients are:
    1. A righteous minority in a homogenous enclave. 1855, New England (a couple decades away from establishmentarian Puritan); 2001, Arabia.
    2. A holy cause that said minority cares about, that others would resist, and that most just wish would go away. 1855, slavery (the actors being North / Mississippi / Pennsylvania); 2001, Wahhabism (Arabia / Mississippi / Europe and, in practice, most Muslims).
    3. Men of violence, not overly squeamish about who they kill. 1855, John Brown; 2001, Bin Laden.
    4. A hegemon which thwarts the holy enclave from carrying out its holy mission -- but is, itself, divided. 1855, the US; 2001… the US.

    I suspect that political Islam has pissed off too many Muslims, since the Samarra bombing and Ahmadenejad’s power-grab. Environmentalism is the next holy cause.

    In which case, we have exactly the same ingredients as we had in 1855. If an environmentalist group performed an act of sacred terror, and it was found to have had its genesis in -- say -- Vermont, which side would CJ choose? I’m guessing a lot of “I don’t condone what he did BUT…” from that quarter.


  119. Rule303
    120 | December 5, 2009 12:35 pm

    @ m:

    Oh, so much more than just “sad”.


  120. Guggi
    121 | December 5, 2009 12:37 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    @ snork:
    @ Lincolntf:

    He is a “intellectual” criminal without values and shame, full of hate and shamelessness. A disgusting characterless piece of a human being.


  121. 122 | December 5, 2009 12:37 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    this isnt rocket science, or climate science ficton for that matter!

    Heh heh heh… ;)


  122. snork
    123 | December 5, 2009 12:39 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Or a fishing boat.


  123. wolfie
    124 | December 5, 2009 12:39 pm

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    @ wolfie:
    Indeed! From FDR’s D-Day invasion speech: And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in prayer:
    Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity…And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment — let not these deter us in our unconquerable purpose. http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/fdr-prayer.htm

    He didn’t really say that! You’re being duped by a fundamentalist plot!


  124. 125 | December 5, 2009 12:39 pm

    snork wrote:

    And related to Fermi’s Paradox is Postrel’s Paradox, which basically can be stated: If a man can’t figure out what to get his wife for Christmas, how can the government know what’s good for all of us?

    Governments are inherently inept at running much of anything: NYC’s Off-Track-Betting Seeks Bankruptcy Protection.

    How in the hell do you go banrupt in the bookie business? That takes a very special kind of stupid, no?


  125. snork
    126 | December 5, 2009 12:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    this isnt rocket science, or climate science for that matter!

    A new trend is born. Climate scientists are going to be the new Pollacks. How many climate scientists does it take to screw in a light bulb? None. Light bulbs are a carbon sin.


  126. snork
    127 | December 5, 2009 12:43 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    How in the hell do you go bankrupt in the bookie business? That takes a very special kind of stupid, no?

    Carbon chits will fix that.


  127. coldwarrior
    128 | December 5, 2009 12:44 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    snork wrote:
    And related to Fermi’s Paradox is Postrel’s Paradox, which basically can be stated: If a man can’t figure out what to get his wife for Christmas, how can the government know what’s good for all of us?
    Governments are inherently inept at running much of anything: NYC’s Off-Track-Betting Seeks Bankruptcy Protection.
    How in the hell do you go banrupt in the bookie business? That takes a very special kind of stupid, no?

    they dont need bankruptcy protection, they need vinnie the chin and tony ‘one thumb’ guzzinio to run the joint.

    they’ll turn a profit in the first quarter


  128. wolfie
    129 | December 5, 2009 12:44 pm

    @ Lincolntf:

    Hard to believe sattv4u2 is still hanging on there. He always struck me as a common sense kind of guy.
    Ah well. Not the first time I’ve been wrong!


  129. mawskrat
    130 | December 5, 2009 12:44 pm

    CW…who would have thunk? I’m now a Nebraska fan.lol


  130. coldwarrior
    131 | December 5, 2009 12:45 pm

    @ snork:

    there is a joke about peer review in their somewhere


  131. coldwarrior
    132 | December 5, 2009 12:46 pm

    mawskrat wrote:

    CW…who would have thunk? I’m now a Nebraska fan.lol

    sure! i definitely want cinci to win the bowl game. big east needs some love


  132. snork
    133 | December 5, 2009 12:47 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ snork:
    there is a joke about peer review in their somewhere

    How many climate scientists does it take to peer review a light bulb?

    Thank God Edison didn’t have to deal with that bunch. They’d be insisting that it can’t be done.


  133. 134 | December 5, 2009 12:50 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    @ snork:
    @ Lincolntf:
    He is a WANNABE “intellectual” criminal without values and shame, full of hate and shamelessness. A disgusting characterless piece of a human being.

    LGF has morphed into a self indulgent cult of intolerance, its members following the lead of a puny man who made a point way back when.
    And that’s all the time I will waste on it now.

    Going out to play.


  134. snork
    135 | December 5, 2009 12:50 pm

    Or, how many climate scientists does it take to say “asshole”?


  135. 136 | December 5, 2009 12:51 pm

    Charles new post:

    Anti-Muslim blogger Robert Spencer is at it again, with yet another rant about me, full of insults, vicious hatred, and completely dishonest claims:

    It takes a particularly pernicious detachment from reality to write these words, immediately following the lying hatchet piece that he did on Palin.

    He’s completely out of control.

    Besides, a lot of us remember when HE was an “Anti-Muslim blogger”, now it’s a term of derision in his mind. That, in itself, speaks volumns.


  136. 137 | December 5, 2009 12:51 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Can’t agree with you on the “sub-human” characterisation. These are humans. They are just humans promoting an evil, totalitarian creed.

    Communists were (and are) the same. Nothing wrong with the people except that they had adopted an evil creed.

    We will always be at war with totalitarian ideas. I see the Jeffersonian idea that people have a right to throw off tyrants as applying perfectly to islam. I believe Jefferson saw that too.


  137. snork
    138 | December 5, 2009 12:52 pm

    Aaaaaaaanold, STFU.


  138. wolfie
    139 | December 5, 2009 12:53 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    when all else fails, diamonds and or gold works every time its tried.

    FALSE! I’d much rather have something cheap that took some thought and is highly personal.
    Postrel’s Paradox stands! :)


  139. coldwarrior
    140 | December 5, 2009 12:53 pm

    Crusader Rabbit wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Can’t agree with you on the “sub-human” characterisation. These are humans. They are just humans promoting an evil, totalitarian creed.
    Communists were (and are) the same. Nothing wrong with the people except that they had adopted an evil creed.
    We will always be at war with totalitarian ideas. I see the Jeffersonian idea that people have a right to throw off tyrants as applying perfectly to islam. I believe Jefferson saw that too.

    then we will disagree on that.


  140. Guggi
    141 | December 5, 2009 12:54 pm

    @ IslandLibertarian:

    OK, that’s better ;-)

    But now it’s going worse:

    228 Charles
    Sat, Dec 5, 2009 9:12:53am replyquote 1downupreport

    re: #226 sattv4u2

    So it’s okay for one side to invoke slavery and Nazism but abhorrent for the other side when they invoke it in relation to a gov’t takeover of financial institutions, private business and health care?

    Yes, that’s right. The former comparison is valid, the latter is crazy.


  141. 142 | December 5, 2009 12:55 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Just plain bat shit insane…


  142. coldwarrior
    143 | December 5, 2009 12:56 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    when all else fails, diamonds and or gold works every time its tried.
    FALSE! I’d much rather have something cheap that took some thought and is highly personal.
    Postrel’s Paradox stands!

    FALSE:

    with the following caveat:

    antique jewelry selected from my favorite shop. i have the owner hold things for me, she knows what to hold. and then i go up and take the appropriate item home.

    it works every time and mrs coldwarrior loves it…she just said so.


  143. MrPaulRevere
    144 | December 5, 2009 12:58 pm

    He takes up for his new best friend, the demented pothead Sullivan: Charles Sat, Dec 5, 2009 12:52:20pm replyquote

    * 0
    * down
    * up
    * report

    Without agreeing with Andrew Sullivan’s weird obsession about Trig Palin, he is right about one thing: Palin lied about providing proof that Trig is her biological son. She didn’t.

    I don’t think she has to provide that proof, but it doesn’t change the fact that when she said she did, lied.


  144. Possum
    145 | December 5, 2009 12:59 pm

    New hockey stick graph discovered.

    http://www.quantcast.com/profile/trafficGraph?wunit=wd%3Acom.littlegreenfootballs&drg=&dty=pp&dtr=dd&gl=6mo&ggt=large&showDeleteButtons=true&width=520

    or check out http://www.quantcast.com/littlegreenfootballs.com if the first link does not work.

    Way to hide the decline!


  145. coldwarrior
    146 | December 5, 2009 1:01 pm

    Possum wrote:

    New hockey stick graph discovered.
    http://www.quantcast.com/profile/trafficGraph?wunit=wd%3Acom.littlegreenfootballs&drg=&dty=pp&dtr=dd&gl=6mo&ggt=large&showDeleteButtons=true&width=520
    or check out http://www.quantcast.com/littlegreenfootballs.com if the first link does not work.
    Way to hide the decline!

    wow! that data point is wayyyyy out of the mean.

    it should be thrown out as an outlier.


  146. texasam7
    147 | December 5, 2009 1:03 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Yeah, what Palin proposes is just the same as saying “Allah Ackbar” or whatever. (Do I really need the sarc tag?)


  147. wolfie
    148 | December 5, 2009 1:03 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    You’ve made it personal by knowing the special kind of things she likes!

    But Postrel’s Paradox stands in so far as the main point:
    It’s hard enough to make economic decisions for one person you know and love, so how can govt do it for 300+million different, unknowable individuals?!


  148. m
    149 | December 5, 2009 1:05 pm

    @ wolfie:

    In theory. But think about investment purposes. Since my husband’s wreck I’ve been holding on (for dear life), but during one particulary bad month last year, a necklace that was a birthday present paid some hospital bills, lol.

    ‘jus thinking ahead!

    My real first preference is fresh flowers. When I win the lottery (if I ever start playing the lottery) I’m going to have fresh flowers in the house every week!


  149. 150 | December 5, 2009 1:06 pm

    @ Possum:

    Oh goodness will you look at that, they even track me… http://www.quantcast.com/thewildernessofmirrors.wordpress.com


  150. m
    151 | December 5, 2009 1:08 pm

    @ Possum:

    Yep. Just throw up a post in about 3 minutes slamming everyone that ever helped or promoted you.

    That’ll do it!


  151. vagabond trader
    152 | December 5, 2009 1:08 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Thats neat but you’ll really have arrived when you attract trolls and stalkers. :-)


  152. coldwarrior
    153 | December 5, 2009 1:09 pm

    @ wolfie:

    well, if its worded that way, then ok.coldwarrior wrote:

    Crusader Rabbit wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Can’t agree with you on the “sub-human” characterisation. These are humans. They are just humans promoting an evil, totalitarian creed.
    Communists were (and are) the same. Nothing wrong with the people except that they had adopted an evil creed.
    We will always be at war with totalitarian ideas. I see the Jeffersonian idea that people have a right to throw off tyrants as applying perfectly to islam. I believe Jefferson saw that too.

    then we will disagree on that.

    and here’s why:

    the communists would at least fight with honor, and honestly meet on the battlefield, the espionage field, the foreign aid field. they were honorable and brave at heart.

    arabs/muzzies are not honorable nor are they brave. they are immoral cowards….every last one of them; they are nothing more than a matasticizing disease on the human race. and, i’m still waiting for the mythical ‘moderate muslims’ to rise up and take back their culture.


  153. 154 | December 5, 2009 1:09 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    “I don’t think she has to provide that proof, but it doesn’t change the fact that when she said she did, lied.”

    The words of someone that needs to be shunned, ignored (in the sense of not replying to him or his cult rants), reviled and laughed at.
    Charles Johnson is a mockery of himself. Truther-Nirther logic at play there. “If, then……” real fuckin’ scientific………


  154. coldwarrior
    155 | December 5, 2009 1:10 pm

    the above was two posts seperate that got merged.

    first to wolfie

    then the rest to crusader


  155. 156 | December 5, 2009 1:10 pm

    Crusader Rabbit wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Can’t agree with you on the “sub-human” characterisation. These are humans. They are just humans promoting an evil, totalitarian creed.
    Communists were (and are) the same. Nothing wrong with the people except that they had adopted an evil creed.
    We will always be at war with totalitarian ideas. I see the Jeffersonian idea that people have a right to throw off tyrants as applying perfectly to islam. I believe Jefferson saw that too.

    *Crude beheadings.
    *Genital mutilation.
    *Mass murder.
    *Instutionalized mysogeny.
    *Acid attacks on women.
    *”Honor Killing” of their own children and spouses.

    These people have, ingrained in their “culture”, barbaric practices that should make anyone who repects “humanity” recoil in horror.

    I think “Sub-Human” is a fair characterization. Just as the Nazis before them, they have willfully separated themselves from humanity.

    God will be their judge; it is up to us to arrange the trial.


  156. Bumr50
    157 | December 5, 2009 1:12 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Thanks for putting up with the off-topic on your blog.

    I think I’ve been straightened out now.

    @ coldwarrior:

    Pffft! Moderate Muslims.

    Those must be the ones who’ve shown enough restraint to not kill civilians.


  157. 158 | December 5, 2009 1:12 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Thats neat but you’ll really have arrived when you attract trolls and stalkers.

    Hmmm, do the stalkers that show up in my real life from when I was a professional musician count? (Got the troll base covered if my hideous Sister-in-law counts).


  158. vagabond trader
    159 | December 5, 2009 1:12 pm

    @ m:

    M, no fair! :sad: Had to do the same thing 2 years ago with my gold . Dang wish I could have waited til now with the price being so high.


  159. snork
    160 | December 5, 2009 1:13 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    That’s the Kos Kiss. But Kos has moved on.


  160. 161 | December 5, 2009 1:13 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    No worries… ;)


  161. vagabond trader
    162 | December 5, 2009 1:13 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    How frightening!


  162. coldwarrior
    163 | December 5, 2009 1:14 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Crusader Rabbit wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Can’t agree with you on the “sub-human” characterisation. These are humans. They are just humans promoting an evil, totalitarian creed.
    Communists were (and are) the same. Nothing wrong with the people except that they had adopted an evil creed.
    We will always be at war with totalitarian ideas. I see the Jeffersonian idea that people have a right to throw off tyrants as applying perfectly to islam. I believe Jefferson saw that too.
    *Crude beheadings.
    *Genital mutilation.
    *Mass murder.
    *Instutionalized mysogeny.
    *Acid attacks on women.
    *”Honor Killing” of their own children and spouses.
    These people have, ingrained in their “culture”, barbaric practices that should make anyone who repects “humanity” recoil in horror.
    I think “Sub-Human” is a fair characterization. Just as the Nazis before them, they have willfully separated themselves from humanity.
    God will be their judge; it is up to us to arrange the trial.

    the commies loved their kids.

    the muzzies want their kids to be suicide bombers


  163. 164 | December 5, 2009 1:14 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Did I mention my ranking… w00t w00t… * 1,392,839 rank equivalent


  164. 165 | December 5, 2009 1:16 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    How frightening!

    Fame does have it’s negative aspects, fortunately my past fame is fading and fewer and fewer people remember who I was…


  165. snork
    166 | December 5, 2009 1:16 pm

    AKA the “dead Kos bounce”.


  166. yah
    167 | December 5, 2009 1:18 pm

    snork wrote:

    Aaaaaaaanold, STFU.

    Could be an upside to it: Comment at article:
    Will it flood out Pelosi’s district?


  167. 168 | December 5, 2009 1:19 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    @ coldwarrior:
    “Barbaric” absolutely. “Inhumane” absolutely.

    “Sub-human” implies that they are genetically inferior. There’s nothing wrong with the flesh. It is the mind an soul which are corrupt. Hence “evil” in my parlance.


  168. Ma Sands
    169 | December 5, 2009 1:19 pm

    @ m:
    re: #149
    (I can smell ‘em now! --got a good imagination, here….. : )


  169. wolfie
    170 | December 5, 2009 1:19 pm

    m wrote:

    fresh flowers in the house every week!

    Wouldn’t that be wonderful! :)

    The presents from Mr. Wolf that I remember most fondly are funky little ones. For example, I mentioned offhand one time that our local stores don’t sell a particular kind of mustard I like anymore. No big deal, and I forgot all about it. Six months later Mr. Wolf gave me a case of the stuff for Christmas!

    I guess that after over 25 years of marriage the biggest thrill is that he still listens occasionally!


  170. goddessoftheclassroom
    171 | December 5, 2009 1:20 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    I just care about who you ARE.


  171. MrPaulRevere
    172 | December 5, 2009 1:23 pm

    Behold the genius insight here: “Why is there such a difference between the two parties’ relationship to their fringes?
    (CJ):For one thing, look at the leaders of the Republican party, they all seem to be 60-plus years old. And the country itself is getting younger.” Yep, those conservatives are old fogies and all the cool kids are libs. Pure genius. http://blogs.uscannenberg.org/neontommy/2009/12/charles-johnson-holding-down-t.html


  172. vagabond trader
    173 | December 5, 2009 1:23 pm

    @ Ma Sands:

    Hey ma, Goddess!


  173. wolfie
    174 | December 5, 2009 1:24 pm

    @ Crusader Rabbit:

    I agree with you. It’s the very fact that they are human that makes them evil. If they were animals, they would still be dangerous, but not evil.


  174. snork
    175 | December 5, 2009 1:24 pm

    Jor-El speaks.

    Does Chuckles have a Jor-El complex?


  175. coldwarrior
    176 | December 5, 2009 1:25 pm

    @ Crusader Rabbit:

    they are not human. humans do not act as they do.

    therefore. they are less than human…it could be genetics, it could be upbringing. i dont care, really, i have had enough experience in my past with these bi-peds. and in my educated and studied opinion they are sub-human or less than human, if you like.

    i will still think they are sub-human because i am not interested in arguing semantics about these scum. when they are all dead, the world will be a better place.


  176. 177 | December 5, 2009 1:26 pm

    goddessoftheclassroom wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I just care about who you ARE.

    Hey Beautiful, you are such a sweetheart… ;)


  177. vagabond trader
    178 | December 5, 2009 1:27 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:

    Typical ageing libral, never notice that they are exactly what they describe as old.Just what we need,immature 35 is the new 25 year olds running everything. Oh wait.


  178. 179 | December 5, 2009 1:29 pm

    coldwarrior: There’s a side discussion here about what you mean by “subhuman”. We’re all emphatically AGAINST using that label against non-Jewish Semites in the near east, who can’t help being born with that DNA. I assume you are defining “human” in moral terms and dishonourable people as below that standard.

    I don’t think that ideological communists are honourable. There’s an impressive civilian body count that shows that. However: the Cold War Russians were more or less honourable, as aggressively hostile nations go; after Stalin there’s a good argument that the Russians didn’t care much about Marxist theory, except as a bludgeon for their enemies.

    So I take it your “subhumans” are people who follow a creed which makes no allowances for humanity. The Qur’an says that Allah is above human-derived morality; Communism says that humanity is subservient to economic theory.

    I agree with your anger against those people, but “subhuman” seems inaccurate; they are not a lower level of humanity -- rather, they don’t accept “humanity” at all. “Inhumane” works better.


  179. wolfie
    180 | December 5, 2009 1:32 pm

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    (CJ):For one thing, look at the leaders of the Republican party, they all seem to be 60-plus years old.

    But, but, but…….he told me that Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal and Michelle Bachmann and, above all, Glenn Beck were the leaders of the GOP! I’m supposed to be taking my marching orders from them!

    (I can see why he got rid of all the anti-idiotarian commenters, whether “creationists,” evolutionists, Christians, Jews, agnostics, pagans, or atheists. He wants to parrot mindless lefty talking points without fear of being ridiculed.)


  180. bar
    181 | December 5, 2009 1:32 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    Queeg is a kooky birther, the worst kind of kooky birther.
    The kind that is obsessed with Palin’s children.

    P.S.
    I didn’t know Trig was running for POTUS, so why does his birth certificate matter?


  181. 182 | December 5, 2009 1:32 pm

    Oops, posted before I read that -- you have brought genetics into it. Eek.

    I suppose I can’t talk, much, because I’m an evolutionist, which means I have to believe in human biodiversity…

    I do try not to get angry about people whose average IQ is less than some arbitrary standard. I’d hate to call them all “subhuman” or to recommend their extermination. Someone else might then put the IQ bar over my IQ and then I’d be subhuman.


  182. MrPaulRevere
    183 | December 5, 2009 1:34 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    The U.S. population will be older than it is now: In all of the projection series, the future age structure of the population will be older than it is now. http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/natproj.html He really is a dimwit, a know nothing.


  183. coldwarrior
    184 | December 5, 2009 1:36 pm

    fine….

    inhuman it is.

    words do mean things


  184. 185 | December 5, 2009 1:36 pm

    @ Zimriel:
    Regarding the level of “honor” of the communist adversary, I cite “The Black Book of Communism” for one, and various histories of the Russian Revolution for another.

    Among their many evils, treating innocent girls as property was de rigeur for the syphilitic Red Army.

    The Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian and Burmese versions of communism are all gut-wrenchingly inhumane.


  185. wolfie
    186 | December 5, 2009 1:37 pm

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    And the country itself is getting younger.

    Which country? Egypt? Nigeria?
    NOT the US, Japan, or European countries, which are all getting older. Lord, that is ignorant.


  186. MrPaulRevere
    187 | December 5, 2009 1:38 pm

    @ bar:
    That post supporting the demented pothead Sullivan has 5 updings. Go figure.


  187. wolfie
    188 | December 5, 2009 1:38 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    @ wolfie:

    GMTA.
    But you’re faster on the draw and come armed with linked facts!


  188. Overlook
    189 | December 5, 2009 1:39 pm

    @ Guggi:

    What are the Wally’s big solutions? War?
    He is thick. And has found his peers.


  189. wolfie
    190 | December 5, 2009 1:40 pm

    Must go face the global warming and run some errands!


  190. coldwarrior
    191 | December 5, 2009 1:40 pm

    @ Zimriel:

    you misunderstand me, i am not angry at them at all, in fact, i have some grudging respect for the muzzie in the way can twist the west into pretzels.

    i have studied and understand them. i started reading the koran and watching their actions very closely in 85…


  191. snork
    192 | December 5, 2009 1:41 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:

    They didn’t fill you in on the plan. Nationalize health care, croak the old folk, and have a permanently young and ignorant servile class.


  192. coldwarrior
    193 | December 5, 2009 1:44 pm

    Crusader Rabbit wrote:

    @ Zimriel:
    Regarding the level of “honor” of the communist adversary, I cite “The Black Book of Communism” for one, and various histories of the Russian Revolution for another.
    Among their many evils, treating innocent girls as property was de rigeur for the syphilitic Red Army.
    The Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian and Burmese versions of communism are all gut-wrenchingly inhumane.

    and we had slaves until 1865…

    i ask you this, who would you rather have to deal with, muzzies or russian communists? i prefer the commies, thanks.


  193. Nevergiveup
    194 | December 5, 2009 1:44 pm

    hello all. How has your day been going? I had a great day and am relaxing with a beer or 2 while I get ready to go out with my unit for a little holiday cheer.


  194. vagabond trader
    195 | December 5, 2009 1:46 pm

    lol, I raised 5.5 mil for Hussein and all I got was this lousy tee shirt.Or something equally useless.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/03/AR2009120301751_pf.html


  195. Nevergiveup
    196 | December 5, 2009 1:47 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    lol, I raised 5.5 mil for Hussein and all I got was this lousy tee shirt.Or something equally useless.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/03/AR2009120301751_pf.html

    ya just can’t buy class and dignity


  196. coldwarrior
    197 | December 5, 2009 1:47 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    hey there…i have nasty cold and am about ready to cook up my ‘cure’ if the bangin headache doesn’t go away.


  197. 198 | December 5, 2009 1:48 pm

    Crusader Rabbit wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    @ coldwarrior:
    “Barbaric” absolutely. “Inhumane” absolutely.
    “Sub-human” implies that they are genetically inferior. There’s nothing wrong with the flesh. It is the mind an soul which are corrupt. Hence “evil” in my parlance.

    I’ll not quibble as Your points are well taken. Shall we agree on “Enemies of Humanity”?


  198. vagabond trader
    199 | December 5, 2009 1:50 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I just cannot imagine hanging with a bunch of unattractive commies would be fun.Where y’all going or is it top secret?Stay safe,its snowing up our way.


  199. Nevergiveup
    200 | December 5, 2009 1:50 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    hey there…i have nasty cold and am about ready to cook up my ‘cure’ if the bangin headache doesn’t go away.

    Well i gotta go and chaperon all the young members?


  200. 201 | December 5, 2009 1:50 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:

    I’ve always thought the “dog whistle” people reveal more aboutthemselves than about the opponents that they are criticiszing. Take CJ’s freak-out over the “Birther” add showing the archetypal three monkeys, Won’t See, Won’t Hear, and Won’t Say. CJ saw “bad crazy racism” in the ad because they used monkeys to represent the monkeys. Because everywhere you see a monkey you are really seeing anti-black racism. Because, well because. Don’t you immediatly think of black people when you see a monkey? Well, I don’t either but CJ sure does.

    When you add in his support for KKKilgore Trout (talk about someone who’s posts make LGF look bad), it is hard not to draw the conclusion that CJ’s hypersensitivity is masking and projecting feelings of extreme racism on his part. Was he always that way? I don’t know. I never really knew the man, it appears.


  201. snork
    202 | December 5, 2009 1:51 pm

    From our favorite “neoconfederate”, we have the Max Baucus Joke Contest.

    C’mon, Chuckles, tell me what you think of McCain. I know you’re reading.


  202. Nevergiveup
    203 | December 5, 2009 1:54 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I just cannot imagine hanging with a bunch of unattractive commies would be fun.Where y’all going or is it top secret?Stay safe,its snowing up our way.

    Yeah top secret. The bar 500 yards from where we are all staying. It’s not the best food but it is close and with the weather being as it is? But if there is a Dunkin Dounuts next store in an emergency


  203. vagabond trader
    204 | December 5, 2009 1:54 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Ever try normal saline nasal spray? Flushes out the sinuses and equalizes the pressure.I have chronic sinusitis,usually works like a charm with 2 extra strength ASA.


  204. bar
    205 | December 5, 2009 1:54 pm

    I always felt bad for my dad, my mom is the worst person to buy X-mas gifts for.
    She is always in a bad mood at X-mas time, 9 times out of 10 the gift is being returned.

    My wife is easy to buy for although vacuums and meat slicers have been gifts. Ok I wanted the meat slicer, Santa give that to my wife, so I could use it. I don’t know where Santa got his info?
    -looks around while trying to look innocent-


  205. snork
    206 | December 5, 2009 1:56 pm

    San Fransisco: public sex tents

    They can’t even keep public restrooms clean, and they want what…?


  206. vagabond trader
    207 | December 5, 2009 1:56 pm

    @ bar:

    Cash is always king around here but I always seem to use it to pay bills for stuff bought for others. Seems kinda futile.:-)


  207. Nevergiveup
    208 | December 5, 2009 1:57 pm

    @ bar:
    My wife has all my credit cards. Every day is Christmas


  208. coldwarrior
    209 | December 5, 2009 1:58 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Ever try normal saline nasal spray? Flushes out the sinuses and equalizes the pressure.I have chronic sinusitis,usually works like a charm with 2 extra strength ASA.

    yep…saline aint touchin it, thats the first thing-go to stuff. it worked for an hour or so…but this ick is moving into my upper resp.

    so the cough will begin shortly.

    this is just ridiculous, maybe one day my immune system will be caught up with the bugs in the hospital.


  209. vagabond trader
    210 | December 5, 2009 1:58 pm

    @ snork:

    Don’t come knockin if this tents rockin.’


  210. MrPaulRevere
    211 | December 5, 2009 1:59 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I won’t frequent places where young black men congregate at night. That must mean I am a racist, or something. Perhaps KKKilgore can educate me so I can rid myself of this foolish prejudice.


  211. RIX
    212 | December 5, 2009 1:59 pm

    Bama up 9 to 3 over Florida after one quarter. Hmmmm


  212. coldwarrior
    213 | December 5, 2009 2:01 pm

    …lower, i meant lower tract.


  213. 214 | December 5, 2009 2:01 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    the commies loved their kids.

    the muzzies want their kids to be suicide bombers

    Bingo !


  214. coldwarrior
    215 | December 5, 2009 2:02 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Bama up 9 to 3 over Florida after one quarter. Hmmmm

    watching it too


  215. Guggi
    216 | December 5, 2009 2:03 pm

    So, this Palin-monomaniac over there runs a anti-Palin-post again:

    Palin Calls for America to ‘Seek God’s Hand’

    Fine, is JFK in the same league?

    The world is a very different now…and yet the same
    revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought
    are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
    the rights of man come not from the generosity of the
    state but from the hand of God.

    John F. Kennedy


  216. snork
    217 | December 5, 2009 2:03 pm

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    I won’t frequent places where young black men congregate at night. That must mean I am a racist, or something.

    I won’t frequent places where young black gay men congregate at night. That must mean I am a racist homophobe, or something. Or maybe sometimes certain people being in certain places is asking for trouble.


  217. MrPaulRevere
    218 | December 5, 2009 2:04 pm

    @ snork:
    Wow, The Chronicle is the voice of sanity in S.F. now. Good for them.


  218. 219 | December 5, 2009 2:04 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Crusader Rabbit wrote:
    @ Zimriel:
    Regarding the level of “honor” of the communist adversary, I cite “The Black Book of Communism” for one, and various histories of the Russian Revolution for another.
    Among their many evils, treating innocent girls as property was de rigeur for the syphilitic Red Army.
    The Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian and Burmese versions of communism are all gut-wrenchingly inhumane.

    and we had slaves until 1865…
    i ask you this, who would you rather have to deal with, muzzies or russian communists? i prefer the commies, thanks.

    Our nation shed its blood by the barrel to rid itself of that evil.

    Communism rapes and murders to this day.

    Sure I’d rather face the communists again. The main advantage we had against them was and is that no one in the west mistakes their creed for a religion, much less one which brain-damaged secularists hold as the moral equivalent of the Judeo-Christian moral system.

    …but that’s not to say that the communists were any more civilised. That’s easily arguable.


  219. vagabond trader
    220 | December 5, 2009 2:05 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yeah, it will. I had the same problem way back when. Caught a wicked staff infection from a stethoscope, then bronchitis. After the first year nadda.Always use those little etoh wipes to wash down everything coming into contact with your skin or clothes.Coworkers used to laugh,then I’d show them the filth on the pad.One time we cultured the wheels on a med cart. Don’t ask.


  220. Nevergiveup
    221 | December 5, 2009 2:06 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    So, this Palin-monomaniac over there runs a anti-Palin-post again:

    Palin Calls for America to ‘Seek God’s Hand’

    Fine, is JFK in the same league?

    The world is a very different now…and yet the same
    revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought
    are still at issue around the globe–the belief that
    the rights of man come not from the generosity of the
    state but from the hand of God.

    John F. Kennedy

    Great point but among all their other faults, liberals tend to be lousy historians. And baically just morons.


  221. 222 | December 5, 2009 2:07 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:

    Oh, shit, you are telling me the motherfucker is a Birther only about Trig Palin? Holy motherfucking shit, Batman! That is un-fucking real. Proof he is smoking crystal meth. The shit about Trig not being Palin’s kid is the slimeiest political smear ever. The Palin haters have no decency at all. The Clinton’s never “proved” Chelsea was their kid either, but the Clinton haters didn’t stoop that low (or that crazy). Damn.


  222. coldwarrior
    223 | December 5, 2009 2:08 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    i use the cancer wipes on everything! if i could shower in the stuff before i left i would.

    my wife went through the same progam 10 years ago and was ‘sick’ for a year straight…its the nature of the biz i suppose. now she is NEVER sick,


  223. vagabond trader
    224 | December 5, 2009 2:08 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Extraordinary quote from JFK, could have been said by a Ronald Reagan conservative,lol.


  224. m
    225 | December 5, 2009 2:08 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Guggi, you should write up a guest post on his bad craziness with that Palin thread. It’s on full display.


  225. snork
    226 | December 5, 2009 2:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    He’s also a CRUtape letters denier.


  226. coldwarrior
    227 | December 5, 2009 2:11 pm

    @ Crusader Rabbit:

    commie isnt a religion, nor is islam

    as i am very fond of saying: islam is not a religion, it is an arab based political system bent on imperialism and domination through whatever means at hand, violent or otherwise with no holds barred.


  227. bar
    228 | December 5, 2009 2:12 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    :lol:
    That’s too funny.


  228. RIX
    229 | December 5, 2009 2:15 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Bama up 9 to 3 over Florida after one quarter. Hmmmm
    watching it too

    Gotta say this, Tim Tebow is the real deal. If the Gators win, he will get his 2nd Heisman.
    IMO that should never be awarded until after the Bowls.
    What if Colt McCoy pltys lights out & wins the National Championship
    & Tebow has a bad game? Too late.


  229. 230 | December 5, 2009 2:15 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    I’ve always thought the “dog whistle” people reveal more aboutthemselves than about the opponents that they are criticiszing. Take CJ’s freak-out over the “Birther” add showing the archetypal three monkeys, Won’t See, Won’t Hear, and Won’t Say. CJ saw “bad crazy racism” in the ad because they used monkeys to represent the monkeys. Because everywhere you see a monkey you are really seeing anti-black racism. Because, well because. Don’t you immediatly think of black people when you see a monkey? Well, I don’t either but CJ sure does.
    When you add in his support for KKKilgore Trout (talk about someone who’s posts make LGF look bad), it is hard not to draw the conclusion that CJ’s hypersensitivity is masking and projecting feelings of extreme racism on his part. Was he always that way? I don’t know. I never really knew the man, it appears.

    When your only tool is a hammer, every problem is a nail.

    Frankly, I don’t think that Charles is all that bright. He’s a one dimensional thinker and adopts intractable positions and defends them to the death; that’s not a sign of a keen intellect.

    He gloms onto people that “he thinks” are bright and his little army small minds marvel at his brilliance.


  230. 231 | December 5, 2009 2:15 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    islam is not a religion, it is an arab based political systemAll-Encomoassing Ideology bent on imperialism and domination through whatever means at hand, violent or otherwise with no holds barred.


  231. 232 | December 5, 2009 2:17 pm

    o=p


  232. coldwarrior
    233 | December 5, 2009 2:17 pm

    jimash wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    islam is not a religion, it is an arab based political systemAll-Encomoassing Ideology bent on imperialism and domination through whatever means at hand, violent or otherwise with no holds barred.

    schweeet!!!!

    i love it


  233. 234 | December 5, 2009 2:18 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    So, this Palin-monomaniac over there runs a anti-Palin-post again:
    Palin Calls for America to ‘Seek God’s Hand’
    Fine, is JFK in the same league?
    The world is a very different now…and yet the same
    revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought
    are still at issue around the globe–the belief that
    the rights of man come not from the generosity of the
    state but from the hand of God.
    John F. Kennedy

    But that was a Democratic God, so that was OK.


  234. 235 | December 5, 2009 2:18 pm

    Nevergiveup: The “liberal” use of history has a term among serious historians -- “whig history”. Whig History claims that history is a march of progress, and that is progress is always good: from the Pharaohs to Barack Obama.

    “Whig history” is a term of abuse among real historians, who accurately note that it is question-begging. Whose definition of the good life should count? That’s a philosophical question, and doesn’t belong in history, which should be about finding out what most likely DID happen, not what “should” or “could” have happened.


  235. MrPaulRevere
    236 | December 5, 2009 2:20 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    That post (#86 in the latest Spencer thread) now has 6 updings. This is 110% demented. I am deeply ashamed I ever supported this strange bizarre man.


  236. Guggi
    237 | December 5, 2009 2:22 pm

    @ m:

    Guggi, you should write up a guest post on his bad craziness with that Palin thread. It’s on full display.

    Thank you m, what a honorable invitation but me thinks you would do a better job than me.


  237. 238 | December 5, 2009 2:22 pm

    @ jimash:

    Yeah, I don’t think you can deny the religious/spiritual element in Islam, but you also can’t remove the political ideology that Islam represents. The religious and the political are so intertwined that youcan’t seperate them. Neither can the Mohammedans, which is why the Mythical Moderate Muslim is so mythical. It is also why I am skeptical that any Mohammedan society can reform itself without outside intervention. Even with outside intervention it has been slow going in Iraq, and pretty much impossible in Afghanistan.


  238. 239 | December 5, 2009 2:23 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Crusader Rabbit:
    commie isnt a religion, nor is islam
    as i am very fond of saying: islam is not a religion, it is an arab based political system bent on imperialism and domination through whatever means at hand, violent or otherwise with no holds barred.

    BRAVO! Islam has been a political belief system, masquerading as a religion, since its inception; one need only read the Koran to see that.


  239. coldwarrior
    240 | December 5, 2009 2:26 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Crusader Rabbit:
    commie isnt a religion, nor is islam
    as i am very fond of saying: islam is not a religion, it is an arab based political system bent on imperialism and domination through whatever means at hand, violent or otherwise with no holds barred.
    BRAVO! Islam has been a political belief system, masquerading as a religion, since its inception; one need only read the Koran to see that.

    i HAVE read the koran, 3 times.

    thats why i get it.


  240. Overlook
    241 | December 5, 2009 2:28 pm

    Someone (Wrath?) yesterday mentioned the Swiss Jews backing the Muslims in opposing the referendum’s minaret ban.
    Why?
    1.Could be that the Jews want the Muslims to stop hogging, so to speak, the imported halal/kosher meat quotas. “You let us have some more meat, we support your minarets.”
    2.There are 18,000 and shrinking Jews in Switzerland and 400,000 and growing Muslims. So, could be ingratiation, especially since it costs nothing.
    3.The Muslims have sought the Jews advice as to how to organized politically. So, could be embarrassment at having failed their advisees.

    Nah. Not really. But there is a fascinating summary of “Muslims and Jews in Switzerland” by Steven Erlanger in jcpa.org.


  241. RIX
    242 | December 5, 2009 2:28 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    Without agreeing with Andrew Sullivan’s weird obsession about Trig Palin, he is right about one thing: Palin lied about providing proof that Trig is her biological son. She didn’t.

    I don’t think she has to provide that proof, but it doesn’t change the fact that when she said she did, lied.

    Just when you think that CJ aan’t get any lower He surprises once again & proves the Theory of “Devolution”
    He is a despicable human being to make Trig Palin an object of viscious unfounded speculation.
    Hey, Charlie said that he would have voted the same way that Obmama did to refuse to mandate medical treatment for infants born of botched abortions. If you’re OK with infantacide what’s a little trashing of a Down baby & his mother?


  242. MrPaulRevere
    243 | December 5, 2009 2:34 pm

    @ RIX:
    Its the Sullivan/Johnson convergence. Demented minds think alike.


  243. Overlook
    244 | December 5, 2009 2:38 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The major religious/spiritual elements in Islam were taken and garbled from Judaism (and to a lesser extent Christianity). Islam also incorporated pre-Islamic pagan elements -- the pilgrimage to Mecca arguably being one of them.
    That does not deny the religious/spiritual elements, or that Muslims believe them. But to my mind, they do not elevate or redeem the Koran form being a text book of conquest. These elements indeed show an ideological plunder.


  244. RIX
    245 | December 5, 2009 2:40 pm

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Its the Sullivan/Johnson convergence. Demented minds think alike.

    It is evil to make that poor baby an object of salacious speculation.
    I would put Sarah Palins character against Charles in a heartbeat, but that is a ststement of the obvious.
    Palinn oozes character while Charles has none.


  245. Lincolntf
    246 | December 5, 2009 2:42 pm

    @ RIX:

    What specifically is this Palin “lie” CJ is talking about? Who asked what question when and what was her response? Anyone know?
    It seems like a bizarre question for a real journo to ask.


  246. newsjunkie_ky
    247 | December 5, 2009 2:45 pm

    But when asked about some of his own extreme statements and predictions, Holdren replied that scientific research had moved on from the latest UN assessment report in 2007. The most up-to-date scientific research was contained in a report written by some of the world’s leading climate scientists and released last summer. Holdren mentioned and referred to this report, Copenhagen Diagnosis, several times during the course of the hearing.

    I remember when Copenhagen Diagnosis came out because nearly every major paper ran a story on it. Global warming is happening even faster than predicted, the impacts are even worse than feared, and that sort of thing. I also remembered that the authors of Copenhagen Diagnosis included many of the usual conmen who are at the center of the alarmist scare. So I asked my CEI colleague Julie Walsh to compare the list of authors of Copenhagen Diagnosis with the scientists involved in Climategate.

    I’m sure it will come as a shock that the two groups largely overlap. The “small group of scientists” up to their necks in Climategate include 12 of the 26 esteemed scientists who wrote the Copenhagen Diagnosis. Who would have ever guessed that forty-six percent of the authors of Copenhagen Diagnosis belong to the Climategate gang? Small world, isn’t it?


  247. bar
    248 | December 5, 2009 2:47 pm

    @ RIX:
    But what about all the guilt in CJ’s assholeization?

    Why is Judas the scary lot free to pick and chose what he agrees with and what he doesn’t with regard to some writer that has known craziness attached?

    If Judas the scary lot supports Andrew the Palin birther nut, then Judas is a Palin birther himself.
    “he who fights with women and handi-capped children”


  248. bar
    249 | December 5, 2009 2:50 pm

    @ RIX:
    I say we have a Queeg calender, Palin book selling contest.
    Lets see who sells more?
    /


  249. 250 | December 5, 2009 3:28 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Crusader Rabbit:
    commie isnt a religion, nor is islam
    as i am very fond of saying: islam is not a religion, it is an arab based political system bent on imperialism and domination through whatever means at hand, violent or otherwise with no holds barred.

    Well, it’s really a floor wax AND a dessert topping.

    That is to say, it is a totalitarian political system which at least disguises itself as a religion. It’s both together. Separating those two things is a concept from the enlightenment.

    This is the problem we have combating islam: people in the west who don’t want to fight it just assert that “it’s a religion” and want to grant it the sort of deference enshrined in our 1st amendment. This is a mistake. No religion that has one of it’s main commandments that our constitution must be overthrown and replaced with something else is not entitled to 1st amendment protection nor anything like it. The constitution is not a suicide pact. [The vaunted "third way" is just surrendering to islam, see Sweden.]

    To make matters worse for our side, the same people who want us to not oppose islam because it is supposedly “just like any other religion” will in the next breath assert that all religions are destructive. It’s not that they cannot see the contradictions, but that they just have that adolescent revulsion towards practically their entire cultural inheritance, and any excuse to destroy it suits them fine. [Queeg, can you hear me now?]

    Nevertheless, it seems to me that you and I agree on more than on we disagree on and I’m content to leave it there.


  250. 251 | December 5, 2009 3:29 pm

    @ Crusader Rabbit:
    brrr too many negatives in one sentence there…


  251. pbird
    252 | December 5, 2009 9:25 pm

    bar wrote:

    I always felt bad for my dad, my mom is the worst person to buy X-mas gifts for.

    She is always in a bad mood at X-mas time, 9 times out of 10 the gift is being returned.
    My wife is easy to buy for although vacuums and meat slicers have been gifts. Ok I wanted the meat slicer, Santa give that to my wife, so I could use it. I don’t know where Santa got his info?

    -looks around while trying to look innocent-

    She doesn’t know how well off she is (mom). DH here doesn’t bother at all.


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