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More good news- Leaked text causing problems; Copenhagen climate summit in disarray after ‘Danish text’ leak

by Bob in Breckenridge ( 247 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Climate, Communism, Democratic Party, Liberal Fascism, Political Correctness, Progressives at December 8th, 2009 - 10:31 am

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Developing countries react furiously to leaked draft agreement that would hand more power to rich nations, sideline the UN’s negotiating role and abandon the Kyoto protocol.

The UN Copenhagen climate talks are in disarray today after developing countries reacted furiously to leaked documents that show world leaders will next week be asked to sign an agreement that hands more power to rich countries and sidelines the UN’s role in all future climate change negotiations.

The document is also being interpreted by developing countries as setting unequal limits on per capita carbon emissions for developed and developing countries in 2050; meaning that people in rich countries would be permitted to emit nearly twice as much under the proposals.

The so-called Danish text, a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as “the circle of commitment” – but understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalised this week.

The agreement, leaked to the Guardian, is a departure from the Kyoto protocol’s principle that rich nations, which have emitted the bulk of the CO2, should take on firm and binding commitments to reduce greenhouse gases, while poorer nations were not compelled to act. The draft hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank; would abandon the Kyoto protocol – the only legally binding treaty that the world has on emissions reductions; and would make any money to help poor countries adapt to climate change dependent on them taking a range of actions.

The document was described last night by one senior diplomat as “a very dangerous document for developing countries. It is a fundamental reworking of the UN balance of obligations. It is to be superimposed without discussion on the talks”.

A confidential analysis of the text by developing countries also seen by the Guardian shows deep unease over details of the text. In particular, it is understood to:

• Force developing countries to agree to specific emission cuts and measures that were not part of the original UN agreement;

• Divide poor countries further by creating a new category of developing countries called “the most vulnerable”;

• Weaken the UN’s role in handling climate finance;

• Not allow poor countries to emit more than 1.44 tonnes of carbon per person by 2050, while allowing rich countries to emit 2.67 tonnes.

Developing countries that have seen the text are understood to be furious that it is being promoted by rich countries without their knowledge and without discussion in the negotiations.

“It is being done in secret. Clearly the intention is to get [Barack] Obama and the leaders of other rich countries to muscle it through when they arrive next week. It effectively is the end of the UN process,” said one diplomat, who asked to remain nameless.

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Even though I usually detest the guy, kudos to Sen. James Webb, D-VA, for sending a warning letter to The Zero™ not to overstep his authority in Copenhagen by committing the USA to anything related to the AGW hoax.
Then again, you would think those imbeciles in The Zero’s™ administration would know the law. Apparently not. Or maybe they forgot, like many of them “forgot” to pay their taxes.

Dear Mr. President:

I would like to express my concern regarding reports that the Administration may believe it has the unilateral power to commit the government of the United States to certain standards that may be agreed upon at the upcoming United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change Conference of Parties 15 in Copenhagen, Denmark. The phrase “politically binding” has been used.

Although details have not been made available, recent statements by Special Envoy on Climate Change Todd Stern indicate that negotiators may be intending to commit the United States to a nationwide emission reduction program. As you well know from your time in the Senate, only specific legislation agreed upon in the Congress, or a treaty ratified by the Senate, could actually create such a commitment on behalf of our country.

I would very much appreciate having this matter clarified in advance of the Copenhagen meetings.

Sincerely,

Jim Webb
United States Senator

Hat Tip to my buddy Denny for the pic!!!

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247 Responses to “More good news- Leaked text causing problems; Copenhagen climate summit in disarray after ‘Danish text’ leak”
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  1. Nevergiveup
    1 | December 8, 2009 10:35 am

    So all these “poor” countries thought the “rich” countries were just going to bend over and take it? Maybe there is a reason all these “poor” countries are “failed” countries if they believe fairy tails?


  2. snork
    2 | December 8, 2009 10:35 am

    BRING IN THE PLUMBERS!!!!11

    LOL!!!11


  3. snork
    3 | December 8, 2009 10:39 am

    Meanwhile, Jimmy Hansen is saying scrap the concept. In his deranged way, he’s actually making at least a little sense.


  4. song_and_dance_man
    4 | December 8, 2009 10:41 am

    Although I disagree with the whole concept and basis of this Summit, it makes sense to not disrupt the economies of the more industrialized nations. And I really like that the UN is being thrown under the bus. I just wish the whole thing would just go away.

    If the planet warms, so be it -- I can always buy more shorts from China at Walmart.


  5. Nevergiveup
    5 | December 8, 2009 10:43 am

    Nothing good can come from this conference unless you won stock in the Airlines, Hotels, Limos, or Hookers.


  6. Russkilitlover
    6 | December 8, 2009 10:48 am

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    or Hookers

    Nah. Hooker services are the loss leaders for the conference, or so I understand. ;}


  7. Guggi
    7 | December 8, 2009 10:48 am

    Glaciers

    Nearly on a daily basis we are told that the glaciers are melting and the sky is falling.

    India decided recently that they will found their own academic glacier-research-unit because they call Western science biased and not in accordance with India’s own monitoring.

    While European scientologists, sorry, climatologists are whining and lamenting about the shrinking glaciers in the Alps, archeologists and biologist know already that great parts of the Alps had mostly been ice-free during the last (at least) 7,000 years. They feel like gold-diggers now that the shrinking ice gives a lot of interesting stuff free: weapons, garment (made from leather and bass), jewelry, footwear etc. but also trees dated 5000 years B.C. and peat. The ice-mummy “Oetzi” may be the most celebrated found but there is much more interesting and telling stuff around and we learn that the timber line (and limit of vegetation) was much higher than today and glaciers were rare because temperature was 0,5°C to 2°C higher at that time.

    Only between 850 B.C. and 150 AD the climate cooled and glaciers and snow hindered the people to cross the Alps on their familiar trading routs. Between 150 AD and 400 AD and between the MGW the crossings were ice-free at least in summer. No glaciers. With the little “ice-age” (14.th and 15.th. century) the glaciers started to grow and began to shrink again around 1850 AD.

    Where is the influence of CO2 here?

    Sources: ETH Zuerich and Archeological Museum Bern

    This is reality based science NOT model-based science with cherry picking data, fudging data, awful coding of models and “tricking” the records.


  8. wolfie
    8 | December 8, 2009 10:48 am

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Quite concur™ !

    If the agreement is meant to save the developed countries from committing suicide, it’s a step forward. At least it shows that the elite is sleazily dishonest, rather than outright psychotic.

    In any case, if this creates a division in the robber ranks, that’s good.


  9. snork
    9 | December 8, 2009 10:50 am

    Seriously, though. WFT is this?

    The so-called Danish text, a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as “the circle of commitment” – but understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalized this week.

    I’m not into black helicopters and the Rosicrucians developing secret protocols with the Mossad, but WTF is this?


  10. snork
    10 | December 8, 2009 10:52 am

    wolfie wrote:

    At least it shows that the elite is sleazily dishonest, rather than outright psychotic.

    Ok. I’ll hand you that.


  11. Guggi
    11 | December 8, 2009 10:52 am

    My bad:

    With the little “ice-age” (14.th and 15.th. century) (16.th century till 18.th century)


  12. buzzsawmonkey
    12 | December 8, 2009 10:53 am

    Guggi wrote:

    With the little “ice-age” (14.th and 15.th. century) (16.th century till 18.th century)

    It’s my Little Ice Age
    You don’t know what I got…

    —the Eroding Beach boys


  13. Bob in Breckenridge
    13 | December 8, 2009 10:53 am

    snork wrote:

    Seriously, though. WFT is this?
    The so-called Danish text, a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as “the circle of commitment” – but understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalized this week.
    I’m not into black helicopters and the Rosicrucians developing secret protocols with the Mossad, but WTF is this?

    If you put on your tinfoil hat, it’ll all make perfect sense!
    /


  14. MikeA
    14 | December 8, 2009 10:54 am

    Does anyone else find it interesting that there seems to be a lot of leaks in the AGW crowd these days. Lots of it is damaging. I don’t believe the emails were hacked but were a whistle blower dumping the stuff into the open because they finally couldn’t tell the lie anymore. Now this leaked doc. Very interesting. MSM will of course deny and obfuscate…


  15. myselfandi
    15 | December 8, 2009 10:54 am

    I’m agreeing with snork. WTF?
    Guggi
    the ice age is here. -18 at 11:55 this am.


  16. Bob in Breckenridge
    16 | December 8, 2009 10:56 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    With the little “ice-age” (14.th and 15.th. century) (16.th century till 18.th century)
    It’s my Little Ice Age
    You don’t know what I got…
    —the Eroding Beach boys

    Less surfing places for the “Little Surfer Girl”?


  17. Nevergiveup
    17 | December 8, 2009 10:56 am

    WFAN is reporting Curtis Granderson os going to the Yankees


  18. 18 | December 8, 2009 10:57 am

    @ Guggi:
    Cool, got a link for all that handy dandy info? Something I think I should spread around.


  19. snork
    19 | December 8, 2009 10:57 am

    Take a couple steps back. The movers and shakers of the world created a new religious movement, with the intent of controlling it. Like von Hindenburg thought he could control Hitler. But madness, like fusion, is too wild to stay in its container.

    It appears that they have finally come to the rude awakening that this Frankenstein could be a problem, so rather than try to kill it outright, which would cause loss of face, they keep trying to ride it.

    Deals with the devil don’t work that way. Stan has a good lawyer, and he’ll get what you agreed to give him. The real mistake the movers and shakers made was thinking that they can get the better end of a deal with Stan.

    There’s a lesson here for those who want to shake hands with islamofascism.


  20. buzzsawmonkey
    20 | December 8, 2009 10:59 am

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    “I wish they all could be environmental girls…”


  21. BuddyG
    21 | December 8, 2009 11:02 am

    Fu*k Global Warming.

    Sincerely,
    BuddyG
    U.S. Citizen


  22. Nevergiveup
    22 | December 8, 2009 11:03 am

    A specialist just sent me 2 bottles of wine for the holidays.


  23. wolfie
    23 | December 8, 2009 11:04 am

    Let confusion reign in the kingdom of the rats!


  24. snork
    24 | December 8, 2009 11:04 am

    @ MikeA:

    The other side of this is that leaks in the past could be stopped at the MSM firewall. No more. Welcome to the internet age, where yesterday’s off-the-cuff quip becomes tomorrow’s 10,000,000 hit viral news.


  25. wolfie
    25 | December 8, 2009 11:06 am

    @ snork:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    OT—In case you guys missed it at the end of the last thread, thanks to both of you for the helpful discussion about Zionism.


  26. taxfreekiller
    26 | December 8, 2009 11:07 am

    So, the Chicago Way is now international.

    So, there will be a need for one BIG ASS BUS to throw all 35,000 climate liars under.

    You go B. Obowma, your the best ass-set we got.


  27. song_and_dance_man
    27 | December 8, 2009 11:09 am

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    A specialist just sent me 2 bottles of wine for the holidays.

    What’s up Doc?

    Wine May Combat Tooth Decay


  28. Nevergiveup
    28 | December 8, 2009 11:09 am

    wolfie wrote:

    @ snork:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    OT—In case you guys missed it at the end of the last thread, thanks to both of you for the helpful discussion about Zionism.

    I went to Israel the first time in the summer of my Junior year in Dental School and I became a Zionist for one major reason. But i ain’t gonna tell you her name.


  29. Bob in Breckenridge
    29 | December 8, 2009 11:10 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    “I wish they all could be environmental girls…”

    “Help me Obama”


  30. Nevergiveup
    30 | December 8, 2009 11:10 am

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    A specialist just sent me 2 bottles of wine for the holidays.

    What’s up Doc?

    Wine May Combat Tooth Decay

    Ok then let me have a few sips before my next patient


  31. song_and_dance_man
    31 | December 8, 2009 11:10 am

    wolfie wrote:

    Let confusion reign in the kingdom of the rats!

    If only they had held this summit on a real one, like Mt. Everest or K2.


  32. wolfie
    32 | December 8, 2009 11:10 am

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Yeah, well, you’re gonna need that wine, buster, when the Cubs kick Yankee butt in the World Series next year!

    :lol: :lol: :lol:


  33. snork
    33 | December 8, 2009 11:11 am

    I wonder what the spin on this is going to be at the black helicopter site. Russians? Saudis? Shriners? Skull and Bones?


  34. buzzsawmonkey
    34 | December 8, 2009 11:11 am

    wolfie wrote:

    OT—In case you guys missed it at the end of the last thread, thanks to both of you for the helpful discussion about Zionism.

    Most welcome; glad to be able to help. BTW, there are some links that I posted following your post that may be of interest.


  35. Bob in Breckenridge
    35 | December 8, 2009 11:11 am

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:
    A specialist just sent me 2 bottles of wine for the holidays.
    What’s up Doc?
    Wine May Combat Tooth Decay

    Did they mention beer?


  36. snork
    36 | December 8, 2009 11:12 am

    I know. The Family leaked all of this.


  37. Nevergiveup
    37 | December 8, 2009 11:12 am

    wolfie wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Yeah, well, you’re gonna need that wine, buster, when the Cubs kick Yankee butt in the World Series next year!

    Yeah that’s what most Yankee fans go to bed worrying about the Chicago Cubs? Shit I’m laughing to so much I think I just peed myself?


  38. song_and_dance_man
    38 | December 8, 2009 11:13 am

    All this Beach Boy talk leads me to my fav of theirs.


  39. Nevergiveup
    39 | December 8, 2009 11:14 am

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Short but very fulfilling


  40. wolfie
    40 | December 8, 2009 11:15 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Thanks! Will definitely check them out.


  41. song_and_dance_man
    41 | December 8, 2009 11:15 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    They were. The one that interested me most was the Hayedid link.


  42. wolfie
    42 | December 8, 2009 11:17 am

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Big deal. Reading it is easy. Try managing to type it!


  43. Guggi
    43 | December 8, 2009 11:17 am

    @ PaladinPhil:

    Cool, got a link for all that handy dandy info? Something I think I should spread around.

    Sorry, not in English

    Some information is here

    But there is a lot more from other countries too (e.g. Italy, Austria)


  44. song_and_dance_man
    44 | December 8, 2009 11:19 am

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Did they mention beer?

    No, but all alcohol has disinfectant properties, so there it is. And, btw, I’ve only had two cavities and one of them was a baby tooth.


  45. 45 | December 8, 2009 11:19 am

    @ Guggi:
    Thanks, will look into it as well.


  46. Guggi
    46 | December 8, 2009 11:19 am

    @ snork:

    I wonder what the spin on this is going to be at the black helicopter site. Russians? Saudis? Shriners? Skull and Bones?

    Saudis.

    The characterless apostate over there blamed yesterday the “deniers” to be in bed with the Saudis.


  47. song_and_dance_man
    47 | December 8, 2009 11:20 am

    snork wrote:

    I know. The Family leaked all of this.

    Stone or Manson?


  48. Guggi
    48 | December 8, 2009 11:23 am

    GREEN POLITICIANS FACE CLIMATE REBELLION

    Snip

    It’s this sort of carry-on which makes some of us question whether the world leaders lecturing us on our own carbon emissions truly believe what they say about the imminence of planetary disaster. For example, Gordon Brown fulminated at the weekend that those who questioned some of the assertions about the extent of man’s influence on the climate were “flat earthers”.

    Yet it is Mr Brown who insists that we should construct a third runway at Heathrow Airport in order to accommodate a vast number of extra flights. It is the central departments of this government, which, according to the latest Sustainable Development Commission report, have increased their CO2 emissions by 8 per cent over the past decade. It is this administration which regarded the release of the Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi as useful in persuading Libya’s Colonel Muammar Gaddafi to approve a vast oilfield exploration contract for BP.

    That’s right, the bad news is that a man convicted of the biggest mass-murder on British soil has been released after only eight years in prison; the good news is that this might help to boost our biggest oil company’s output of hydrocarbons -- apparently the proximate cause of humanity’s destruction.

    Mr Brown would argue this is beside the point: the European Union’s wonderful carbon emissions trading scheme will ensure that Britain keeps to any agreement we sign in Copenhagen. This fabricated market in carbon is supported by the United Nations, as it props up the so called UN Clean Development Mechanism.

    It is also the conjuring trick by which the EU, with an obligation under the Kyoto Treaty to reduce its emissions by 8 per cent by 2012, has managed to claim success, while actually increasing emissions by 13 per cent. This has been achieved by purchasing “offsets” from countries such as China. And how was this in turn carried out? We did it by paying the Chinese billions of dollars to destroy atmospheric pollutants, such as CFC-23, which they had manufactured purely in order to be destroyed: brilliant.

    A further example of the perverse consequences of the EU’s method of “stopping climate change” was provided in this weekend’s Sunday Times, which revealed that Britain’s richest resident, the Indian steel tycoon Lakshmi Mittal, is to benefit from a £1bn windfall in so-called “carbon credits”.

    Mr Mittal had warned Brussels that if his “emissions cap” under the scheme was set too low for his liking he would move some of his steel plants out of Europe. So his company, ArcelorMittal, was given the right to emit 90 million tonnes of CO2 in the EU each year between now and 2012. Yet this year ArcelorMittal’s European CO2 emissions are predicted to be less than half that figure of 90 million tonnes. If this level of output continues Mr Mittal will thus have £1bn worth of “carbon permits” to sell to other high energy users within the EU.

    As the company’s spokesman told the paper, with a certain jauntiness: “ArcelorMittal’s surplus carbon credits are an asset which will only grow in importance.” Thus the biggest beneficiary of what is allegedly the world’s most enlightened climate change policy turns out to be the wealthiest industrialist in Europe.

    Snip


  49. snork
    49 | December 8, 2009 11:24 am

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Stone or Manson?

    Stone. As in Masons.


  50. Bob in Breckenridge
    50 | December 8, 2009 11:25 am

    Hey, I just added a great pic! Go to the top and check it out!


  51. lobo91
    51 | December 8, 2009 11:26 am

    According to FNC, the UN is claiming that 2009 has been the 5th warmest year on record.

    Meanwhile, the current temperature in my neighborhood is 3 degrees, with wind gusts of 40 mph and blowing snow.


  52. MikeA
    52 | December 8, 2009 11:27 am

    I wonder if Chavez bought carbon credits for all those weapons he just bought. If he uses them, they will emit a whole lot of carbon…


  53. buzzsawmonkey
    53 | December 8, 2009 11:27 am

    @ lobo91:

    Who you gonna believe, the UN or your own lyin’ eyes?


  54. Nevergiveup
    54 | December 8, 2009 11:27 am

    On FAN Mike is calling the women tiger slept with as not the classiest? Why because they didn’t go to Harvard? Hey Mike shut the fuck up.


  55. song_and_dance_man
    55 | December 8, 2009 11:28 am

    snork wrote:

    Stone. As in Masons.

    Now that is very Illuminati’ng.


  56. lobo91
    56 | December 8, 2009 11:29 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Was that a rhetorical question?


  57. wolfie
    57 | December 8, 2009 11:29 am

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    snork wrote:
    I know. The Family leaked all of this.
    Stone or Manson?

    Addams- I think.

    Stone- members of group relentlessly oppressed by wingnuts
    Manson- As Obama’s pal Dohrn would say, much too groovy


  58. song_and_dance_man
    58 | December 8, 2009 11:29 am

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    On FAN Mike is calling the women tiger slept with as not the classiest? Why because they didn’t go to Harvard? Hey Mike shut the fuck up.

    One down, eight to go.


  59. Nevergiveup
    59 | December 8, 2009 11:31 am

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    On FAN Mike is calling the women tiger slept with as not the classiest? Why because they didn’t go to Harvard? Hey Mike shut the fuck up.

    One down, eight to go.

    Ah I’d bet they all went down?


  60. lobo91
    60 | December 8, 2009 11:31 am

    @ MikeA:

    I wonder if Chavez bought carbon credits for all those weapons he just bought. If he uses them, they will emit a whole lot of carbon…

    My question is, if a Colombian soldier destroys a Venezuelan T-72 with a US-built TOW missile, which country is responsible for the carbon released by the burning tank?


  61. buzzsawmonkey
    61 | December 8, 2009 11:33 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Was that a rhetorical question?

    Pretty much, yeah.


  62. Nevergiveup
    62 | December 8, 2009 11:34 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ MikeA:

    I wonder if Chavez bought carbon credits for all those weapons he just bought. If he uses them, they will emit a whole lot of carbon…

    My question is, if a Colombian soldier destroys a Venezuelan T-72 with a US-built TOW missile, which country is responsible for the carbon released by the burning tank?

    I don’t know but lets meet at the local bar and discuss it over some boiler makers


  63. snork
    63 | December 8, 2009 11:34 am

    @ lobo91:

    Here’s how they “adjust” the raw temps:

    The Smoking Gun At Darwin Zero

    Those, dear friends, are the clumsy fingerprints of someone messing with the data Egyptian style … they are indisputable evidence that the “homogenized” data has been changed to fit someone’s preconceptions about whether the earth is warming.

    Heh. All buggered up at a place called “Darwin”. Stick that in your bike and smoke, it, Chuckles.


  64. MikeA
    64 | December 8, 2009 11:34 am

    @ lobo91:

    Who knew that international relations could be so complicated.


  65. 65 | December 8, 2009 11:35 am

    @ lobo91:

    Lichtenstein.


  66. wolfie
    66 | December 8, 2009 11:35 am

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Hey, I just added a great pic! Go to the top and check it out!

    Sweet! :D


  67. song_and_dance_man
    67 | December 8, 2009 11:37 am

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Not meaning to go OT, as though we haven’t already,(ha) but your avatar is very curious. I was under the impression that the victory/peace sign in Britain is much like the one finger salute here in America. That Churchill employed it -- I’m assuming that is not really you as a Winston lookalike -- seems strange.


  68. wolfie
    68 | December 8, 2009 11:37 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    My question is, if a Colombian soldier destroys a Venezuelan T-72 with a US-built TOW missile, which country is responsible for the carbon released by the burning tank?

    Israel.


  69. 69 | December 8, 2009 11:37 am

    @ Guggi:

    Yup, Chuckie’s guilt by association!


  70. buzzsawmonkey
    70 | December 8, 2009 11:40 am

    @ Rodan:

    Rodan: Some links towards the bottom of last thread you may want to check out.


  71. Nevergiveup
    71 | December 8, 2009 11:40 am

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Not meaning to go OT, as though we haven’t already,(ha) but your avatar is very curious. I was under the impression that the victory/peace sign in Britain is much like the one finger salute here in America. That Churchill employed it – I’m assuming that is not really you as a Winston lookalike – seems strange.

    Hey if it’s good enough for WSC it’s good enough for me. No it’s not me- Winston was in the Army, I’m in the Navy. Although he was the civilian head of the Royal Navy twice.


  72. Possum
    72 | December 8, 2009 11:41 am

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Palm out like Winston=Victory

    Back of hand out = Eff you!


  73. Bob in Breckenridge
    73 | December 8, 2009 11:41 am

    wolfie wrote:

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
    Hey, I just added a great pic! Go to the top and check it out!
    Sweet!

    I probably shouldn’t have added that picture, since Wrath will probably accuse me of turning this into a ponytailed douchebag-bashing thread.


  74. song_and_dance_man
    74 | December 8, 2009 11:43 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    My question is, if a Colombian soldier destroys a Venezuelan T-72 with a US-built TOW missile, which country is responsible for the carbon released by the burning tank?

    buzz, being a lawyer, can probably answer this best, but my common sense reply would be, just as the one who hit you from behind is responsible for the damage, the one who burns last is the debtor for recompense for the damage from carbon emissions.


  75. snork
    75 | December 8, 2009 11:43 am

    McIntyre is the good guy. That Oppenheimer dude is blowing a lot of smoke. It’s not what he’s saying, it’s what he’s not saying.


  76. buzzsawmonkey
    76 | December 8, 2009 11:44 am

    Possum wrote:

    Palm out like Winston=Victory

    Back of hand out = Eff you!

    You can see this at the beginning of the very hilarious British film “I’m All Right, Jack,” starring Peter Sellers and Terry-Thomas.

    One of the crowd celebrating the end of WWII is waving a “V” sign, and, as the narrator describes “the new spirit abroad in the land,” turns his hand around and gives the “V” a sharp upward jab.


  77. Guggi
    77 | December 8, 2009 11:44 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yup, Chuckie’s guilt by association!

    No one was associated :-(

    The Saudis mentioned the leaked data and raised the question is climate science isn’t a bit biased and unscientific.


  78. BuddyG
    78 | December 8, 2009 11:44 am

    Climategate, Leaked Texts, . . .

    Shitty gifts for leftists like the ponytailed douchebag.


  79. Bob in Breckenridge
    79 | December 8, 2009 11:45 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ MikeA:
    My question is, if a Colombian soldier destroys a Venezuelan T-72 with a US-built TOW missile, which country is responsible for the carbon released by the burning tank?

    Israel!

    ///


  80. buzzsawmonkey
    80 | December 8, 2009 11:45 am

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    buzz, being a lawyer, can probably answer this best, but my common sense reply would be, just as the one who hit you from behind is responsible for the damage, the one who burns last is the debtor for recompense for the damage from carbon emissions.

    I’m afraid that one’s outside of my area of expertise. But I can see that there is a new field of opportunity opening up.


  81. song_and_dance_man
    81 | December 8, 2009 11:47 am

    @ Possum:

    Ah yes, that’s the distinction. Thanks.


  82. BuddyG
    82 | December 8, 2009 11:49 am

    Global Warming Santa

    /Ho Ho Hot


  83. Bordm
    83 | December 8, 2009 11:49 am

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    The V sign made palm inward and with an upward motion is the Brit equivalent of the bird. IIRC Churchill upon being informed of his breach of etiquette simply turned his palm outward to create the now well known V for Victory symbol.


  84. Bob in Breckenridge
    84 | December 8, 2009 11:51 am

    BTW, my buddy Denny posted this interesting tidbit at his site-

    “As an aside, did any of you read Vince Flynn’s new book Pursuit of Honor? One of the characters is a female rat bastard commie senator not unlike Barbara Boxer from California. Anyhoo, she’s questioning Mitch Rapp and he calls her “Ma’am” and she does the Boxer line, “Please call me Senator. I’ve worked so hard to get here.” I’m sure he had finished writing the book before Babs pulled this crap on a general. Was he prescient or did he add this at the last minute?”


  85. wolfie
    85 | December 8, 2009 11:51 am

    Guggi wrote:

    The characterless apostate over there blamed yesterday the “deniers” to be in bed with the Saudis.

    As usual, he makes huge leaps over the holes in his logic to get to a prejudiced conclusion.

    He is assuming (pretending?) that scepticism about AGW is inconsistent with wanting energy independence. A close look at real associations would almost certainly show that the group of sceptics overlaps to a fair degree the group that favors developing our own oil, coal, and nuclear sources….and the group that most decries Saudi influence in America.
    In the meantime, it is the people who defend Obama bowing before the Saudi king, the people who demand special privileges for Muslims, the people who cuddle up to the Palis, who are far, far more likely to be alarmists.

    Of all the silly connections CJ has drawn— and he has drawn many silly ones— this takes the cake.


  86. 86 | December 8, 2009 11:52 am

    And the truth about the “green” strategy comes out:

    Greens’ Real Target: U.S. Economy

    Economy: The 16,000 delegates to the two-week-long orgy of self-flagellation known as the Copenhagen Climate Conference want to shrink global output of CO2 not because of hard science, but out of envy.

    Even as Climate-gate suggests that sham science lies behind global warming, delegates are swarming into the Scandinavian city to push for steep cuts in carbon dioxide output by industrialized nations.

    We’ll let others comment on the hypocrisy of those who, while trying to force the rest of us into an ever-smaller carbon footprint, will employ more than 1,200 limousines and 140 private jets while producing 880 pounds of CO2 per attendee at their conference.

    Or the even-worse hypocrisy of Rajendra Pachauri, the U.N.’s global warming guru, who in one 19-month period flew 443,243 miles — including trips to have dinner at Washington’s Brookings Institution and one memorable overnighter to attend a cricket match — but now wants the rest of us to be forced into a “carbon allowance.”

    What goes little commented on, however, is the reason for the vehemence of these calls for CO2 sacrifice on the part of the U.S.: a desire to take our economy down.

    This is the crux of it. Kyoto’s target was the American Economy and when the Senate balked and Bush wisely withdrew our signature from the treaty no one else implemented it. They never intended to. They were trying to get the giant to tie himself down, as it were, and have us voluntarily wreck our economy in the name of “climate change”, which we now all know was based on fraud. If Obama is unwise enough to commit the United States to anything at this farce, we must pressure the Senate to throw it back in his teeth.

    Economic times are tough enough without artificial constraints created in the name of fraudulant fears.


  87. buzzsawmonkey
    87 | December 8, 2009 11:52 am

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Was he prescient or did he add this at the last minute?

    As Gertrude Stein might have said, “Life mirrors art mirrors life mirrors art…”


  88. buzzsawmonkey
    88 | December 8, 2009 11:54 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    This is the crux of it. Kyoto’s target was the American Economy and when the Senate balked and Bush wisely withdrew our signature from the treaty no one else implemented it. They never intended to. They were trying to get the giant to tie himself down, as it were, and have us voluntarily wreck our economy in the name of “climate change”, which we now all know was based on fraud.

    I like your way of Lilliputting things. It’s amazing how Gulliver some people are.


  89. song_and_dance_man
    89 | December 8, 2009 11:55 am

    BuddyG wrote:

    Global Warming Santa
    /Ho Ho Hot

    Oh no, Santa emitting carbon. There will be elves to pay.


  90. Bob in Breckenridge
    90 | December 8, 2009 11:55 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
    Was he prescient or did he add this at the last minute?
    As Gertrude Stein might have said, “Life mirrors art mirrors life mirrors art…”

    I thought that was Mark Steyn who said that…

    /


  91. lobo91
    91 | December 8, 2009 11:59 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    If Obama is unwise enough to commit the United States to anything at this farce, we must pressure the Senate to throw it back in his teeth.

    Of all the things going on at the moment, the possibility of the Senate ratifying a new treaty on climate change is probably the one I worry about the least.

    It takes 67 votes to ratify a treaty. Even if the Dems got all 60 of their votes--which is probably unlikely--they would need at least 7 Republicans to go along.

    I don’t see that happening under any circumstances.


  92. song_and_dance_man
    92 | December 8, 2009 11:59 am

    Bordm wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    The V sign made palm inward and with an upward motion is the Brit equivalent of the bird. IIRC Churchill upon being informed of his breach of etiquette simply turned his palm outward to create the now well known V for Victory symbol.

    That faux pas is reminiscent of this one by W.


  93. kansas
    93 | December 8, 2009 11:59 am

    Then again, you would think those imbeciles in The Zero’s™ administration would know the law.

    I wouldn’t think that, and I’m sure you and everyone else here don’t think it either. Affirmative Action again.


  94. Guggi
    94 | December 8, 2009 11:59 am

    The people of the Middle Ages were plagued by the robber barons/knights. Nowadays we elect them, pay them and call them “politicians”.

    “Only the most stupid of calves vote for their own butcher.”


  95. 95 | December 8, 2009 12:00 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Got them, thanks!


  96. vagabond trader
    96 | December 8, 2009 12:00 pm

    @ snork:

    This is bullkrap designed to continue picking our pockets, keep dummies enthralled and put a tidy sum into the numbered bank accounts of self proclaimed elite.No middle men allowed. lololol, did anyone actually believe any of these crooks care about the unwashed poor?


  97. RIX
    97 | December 8, 2009 12:01 pm

    Charles is over there getting really alarmist now about AGW. Major Wars?

    There are even worse scenarios. The massive social disruptions caused by flooding of low-lying areas, huge numbers of poor refugees, and destruction of shipping and ports could lead to major wars between the large powers, even nuclear wars.

    Check out military analyst Gwynne Dyer’s Climate Wars, for example.

    If you really start to look into this issue, it can get more than a little depressing.


  98. kansas
    98 | December 8, 2009 12:02 pm

    What goes little commented on, however, is the reason for the vehemence of these calls for CO2 sacrifice on the part of the U.S.: a desire to take our economy down.

    By none other than Present Barack Obama and his merry band of drooling idiots.


  99. myselfandi
    99 | December 8, 2009 12:02 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Swiss Family Robinson


  100. Guggi
    100 | December 8, 2009 12:03 pm

    @ wolfie:

    As usual, he makes huge leaps over the holes in his logic to get to a prejudiced conclusion.

    He is assuming (pretending?) that scepticism about AGW is inconsistent with wanting energy independence. A close look at real associations would almost certainly show that the group of sceptics overlaps to a fair degree the group that favors developing our own oil, coal, and nuclear sources….and the group that most decries Saudi influence in America.
    In the meantime, it is the people who defend Obama bowing before the Saudi king, the people who demand special privileges for Muslims, the people who cuddle up to the Palis, who are far, far more likely to be alarmists.

    Of all the silly connections CJ has drawn— and he has drawn many silly ones— this takes the cake.

    Exactly.


  101. RIX
    101 | December 8, 2009 12:05 pm

    OK, this joke writes itself.

    114 Charles
    Tue, Dec 8, 2009 11:58:19am replyquote 7downupreport

    Funny how so many of the most irrational deniers seem to have numerous friends who are climate scientists. If they’re not PhD scientists themselves.

    On the Internet everyone is a rocket scientist


  102. song_and_dance_man
    102 | December 8, 2009 12:05 pm

    @ RIX:

    Cj’s panties must be made of Taffy, what, with the way he twists them day to day.


  103. lobo91
    103 | December 8, 2009 12:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    From your link:

    In this effort, Europe has engaged the developing world as its ally. Egged on by EU elites, the so-called Group of 77 of developing countries are urging the same thing as the EU — massive taxes and wealth transfers from the developed nations (mainly the U.S.) to the Third World to alleviate the alleged impacts of global warming.

    Again, the bottom of the chart tells the tale. Most of the Group of 77 are poorly run, nondemocratic countries that have routinely and almost systematically ruined their own economies through war, socialist policies, oppression of minorities and government-led despoliation of their own environment.

    Their only hope — global warming welfare.

    And that, folks, is the key to this whole scam.


  104. Bordm
    104 | December 8, 2009 12:06 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    That faux pas is reminiscent of this one by W.

    That’s the hand sign/symbol of The University of Texas Longhorns. The uproar was just another example of the stupidity of the liberal run media


  105. Lincolntf
    105 | December 8, 2009 12:06 pm

    @ snork:
    Thanks for the tip. Just read the whole thing. I don’t know how anyone could possibly lay it out more clearly or concisely.
    I think we all knew that no scientists would be conspiring to hide evidence that they were right (and that would bring more funding). But it’s always been hard to pin down our argument with numbers because the GW’ers literally owned the figures. It’s nice to see WUWWT do all the legwork for the rest of us.


  106. myselfandi
    106 | December 8, 2009 12:06 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Charles is over there getting really alarmist now about AGW. Major Wars?
    There are even worse scenarios. The massive social disruptions caused by flooding of low-lying areas, huge numbers of poor refugees, and destruction of shipping and ports could lead to major wars between the large powers, even nuclear wars.
    Check out military analyst Gwynne Dyer’s Climate Wars, for example.
    If you really start to look into this issue, it can get more than a little depressing.

    I will fight for my right to indoor plumbing, heat, light, affordable housing, and plastic food containers.


  107. buzzsawmonkey
    107 | December 8, 2009 12:07 pm

    RIX wrote:

    There are even worse scenarios. The massive social disruptions caused by flooding of low-lying areas, huge numbers of poor refugees, and destruction of shipping and ports could lead to major wars between the large powers, even nuclear wars.

    Yes, and the clogging of the sealanes by the thousands of corpses of drowned polar bears.

    Puh-leeze.

    It ain’t happenin’. And if some of it did start to happen, it would be a simple matter to build whatever was necessary to compensate for what would, in the end, be minor changes—if it were not for the fact that all the pettifogging regulations already put in place by environmentalcases make any action take five times as long as it should and cost ten times as much.


  108. 108 | December 8, 2009 12:07 pm

    @ RIX:

    It seems that fear of a climate disaster have overtaken fears of islamonazi terrorism in his universe. I wonder, will he ban you for using the term “islamonazi” now?


  109. snork
    109 | December 8, 2009 12:07 pm

    So what’s tops story at the funny farm? The whitehouse declaring Climategate “silly”. Well, I guess that settles that. What a genius. We just should have just let the whitehouse tell us whether there was anything to Watergate, and saved all that consternation.


  110. lobo91
    110 | December 8, 2009 12:08 pm

    @ RIX:

    OK, this joke writes itself.

    It really does, doesn’t it?

    I really wish someone would explain precisely what CJ’s scientific training was. I’m pretty sure he has less of an understanding of the actual science involved than I do, yet he’s putting himself out there as an expert on the issue.


  111. buzzsawmonkey
    111 | December 8, 2009 12:10 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    It seems that fear of a climate disaster have overtaken fears of islamonazi terrorism in his universe.

    That is what “climate change” was for in the first place—back in the good old days when it was “global warming.”


  112. myselfandi
    112 | December 8, 2009 12:10 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ snork:
    This is bullkrap designed to continue picking our pockets, keep dummies enthralled and put a tidy sum into the numbered bank accounts of self proclaimed elite.No middle men allowed. lololol, did anyone actually believe any of these crooks care about the unwashed poor?

    If they did, they would be at their respective homes trying to better their own economies.


  113. snork
    113 | December 8, 2009 12:12 pm

    @ Lincolntf:

    This is exactly what the RAW data is so important. You can see what their “value adding” consists of.


  114. My5princesses
    114 | December 8, 2009 12:12 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Are we looking extremely fine after the special haircut you got this morning? Hope you didn’t have to dip into your carbon credit budget to pay for it.


  115. 115 | December 8, 2009 12:14 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yep. Global welfare and bringing down America’s economy. Spread the wealth, I believe is how Obama put it…


  116. Lincolntf
    116 | December 8, 2009 12:14 pm

    @ lobo91:

    In addition to his GED, he’s also a fully licensed alchemist with a certification in phrenology and a basic understanding of unicorn anatomy. So don’t even go there.


  117. myselfandi
    117 | December 8, 2009 12:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    According to FNC, the UN is claiming that 2009 has been the 5th warmest year on record.
    Meanwhile, the current temperature in my neighborhood is 3 degrees, with wind gusts of 40 mph and blowing snow.

    its well below zero here. clear skies. we got the snow over the weekend.


  118. 118 | December 8, 2009 12:16 pm

    Sometimes you just have to go off topic. Check out these african-american criminals so joyful in their new empowerment. All they need is a good ass kicking and it will solve the next problems to come.


  119. wolfie
    119 | December 8, 2009 12:16 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    did anyone actually believe any of these crooks care about the unwashed poor?

    I believed them once. I was very young.
    I believed that all of those people protesting the Vietnam War, the ones who wept and wept over the poor peasants caught up it it, were sincere. I thought they were a bit foolish, but I believed they meant well.
    And then we abandoned SE Asia to the barbarians, and when the boat people and the killing fields came to be, there were no tears. None.
    Not one drop.
    I have not believed them since and I never will.
    I assume they do not give a damn about their favorite victims in and of themselves, and so far my assumptions have been proven right every damned time.


  120. lobo91
    120 | December 8, 2009 12:16 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    It ain’t happenin’. And if some of it did start to happen, it would be a simple matter to build whatever was necessary to compensate for what would, in the end, be minor changes

    Exactly.

    These people are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of “cost/benefit analysis.”

    If some tiny island with a few thousand people on it is going to be submerged, it makes a lot more sense to either figure out a way to shore up the island or, failing that, simply relocate the inhabitants, than to completely wreck the economies of half the world.

    Hollywood has done a great job of hyping the supposed dire consequences of “climate change,” with stupid movies like The Day Afer Tommorow, where most of North America becomes uninhabitable literally overnight.

    There is precisely a 0.000000000000% chance of anything like that happening, even on a tiny island 3 feet above sea level.


  121. RIX
    121 | December 8, 2009 12:17 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Cj’s panties must be made of Taffy, what, with the way he twists them day to day.

    He palms himself off as some kind of scientific expert & dismisses anyonne not bowing to his percieved intellect as somehow having bad intentions.
    What does he think that the motivation is for sceptics? Are we all on the payroll of Big oil? They owe me some money then.


  122. song_and_dance_man
    122 | December 8, 2009 12:19 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ Lincolntf:
    This is exactly what the RAW data is so important. You can see what their “value adding” consists of.

    s

    I also read the linked story. That the data was tampered with is evident.

    YIKES! Before getting homogenized, temperatures in Darwin were falling at 0.7 Celcius per century … but after the homogenization, they were warming at 1.2 Celcius per century. And the adjustment that they made was over two degrees per century … when those guys “adjust”, they don’t mess around. And the adjustment is an odd shape, with the adjustment first going stepwise, then climbing roughly to stop at 2.4C.

    This is a link and piece that would not be welcome in Copenhagen or Santa Monica.


  123. myselfandi
    123 | December 8, 2009 12:19 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ Lincolntf:
    This is exactly what the RAW data is so important. You can see what their “value adding” consists of.

    I’m not a physicist on tv or a climate scientist at The Hague. I’m just a person with a computer science degree.

    One thing I learned in Physics 101 (really it was Physics 201 since there were no 1st year physics classes) RAW DATA IS NEVER THROWN AWAY. If I check the temp every 20 minutes and write it on 50 sticky notes, I then put that raw data into a saving mechanism. These people think we are fucking idiots.


  124. Russkilitlover
    124 | December 8, 2009 12:19 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    He is assuming (pretending?) that scepticism about AGW is inconsistent with wanting energy independence.

    Hey formerly respected blogger: I live in a Zero Energy home. Yup, highest rating for energy efficiency you can get rated. Where do you live?


  125. snork
    125 | December 8, 2009 12:21 pm

    RIX wrote:

    What does he think that the motivation is for sceptics? Are we all on the payroll of Big oil? They owe me some money then.

    I’m still waiting for my Zionist Conspiracy check.


  126. My5princesses
    126 | December 8, 2009 12:23 pm

    @ Russkilitlover:

    You obviously don’t have any princesses living there.


  127. snork
    127 | December 8, 2009 12:24 pm

    Russkilitlover wrote:

    Hey formerly respected blogger: I live in a Zero Energy home. Yup, highest rating for energy efficiency you can get rated. Where do you live?

    Compare Gore’s house to Bush’s ranch some time. I think Gore’s carbon footprint is something like 5 times Bush’s.


  128. MikeA
    128 | December 8, 2009 12:24 pm

    snork wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    What does he think that the motivation is for sceptics? Are we all on the payroll of Big oil? They owe me some money then.
    I’m still waiting for my Zionist Conspiracy check.

    Got mine today!!! It was from a friend in Nigeria who said he needed my help getting the money out of the country and only cost me $53,234.50 in savings but I know this third-party check for $40,000,000 quatloos is good!!


  129. song_and_dance_man
    129 | December 8, 2009 12:26 pm

    Don’t know about Gore’s carbon footprint, but his mental doltprint is 11.


  130. Russkilitlover
    130 | December 8, 2009 12:27 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    And if some of it did start to happen, it would be a simple matter to build whatever was necessary to compensate

    What? You mean evolve? If he had to come that full circle, he would turn into butter.


  131. song_and_dance_man
    131 | December 8, 2009 12:27 pm

    Russkilitlover wrote:

    wI live in a Zero Energy home. Yup, highest rating for energy efficiency you can get rated.

    Is that like a candle lit cave?
    ;-)


  132. myselfandi
    132 | December 8, 2009 12:28 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    vagabond trader wrote:
    did anyone actually believe any of these crooks care about the unwashed poor?
    I believed them once. I was very young.
    I believed that all of those people protesting the Vietnam War, the ones who wept and wept over the poor peasants caught up it it, were sincere. I thought they were a bit foolish, but I believed they meant well.
    And then we abandoned SE Asia to the barbarians, and when the boat people and the killing fields came to be, there were no tears. None.
    Not one drop.
    I have not believed them since and I never will.
    I assume they do not give a damn about their favorite victims in and of themselves, and so far my assumptions have been proven right every damned time.

    We shall fight the anti-capitalist Cause Du Jour


  133. Nevergiveup
    133 | December 8, 2009 12:29 pm

    Gatorade just announced they will stand by Tiger. Sure why not.

    “Put a Tiger in your tank or weener”


  134. vagabond trader
    134 | December 8, 2009 12:30 pm

    @ My5princesses:

    Hi My5! Looks pretty good if I do say so. :-) :-)

    Oh yeah, 100 mile roundtrip, all that electricity and hot water to do the do, at least as much of a carbon allotment as Goracle uses to flush his 15 toilets.

    :mrgreen:


  135. RIX
    135 | December 8, 2009 12:31 pm

    snork wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    What does he think that the motivation is for sceptics? Are we all on the payroll of Big oil? They owe me some money then.
    I’m still waiting for my Zionist Conspiracy check.

    What! I get mine, I just want my Big Oil check.


  136. Nevergiveup
    136 | December 8, 2009 12:31 pm

    RIX wrote:

    snork wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    What does he think that the motivation is for sceptics? Are we all on the payroll of Big oil? They owe me some money then.
    I’m still waiting for my Zionist Conspiracy check.

    What! I get mine, I just want my Big Oil check.

    Move to Alaska then.


  137. snork
    137 | December 8, 2009 12:32 pm

    Two Houses

    Ironically on a Gore-loving website.


  138. wolfie
    138 | December 8, 2009 12:33 pm

    Russkilitlover wrote:

    Hey formerly respected blogger: I live in a Zero Energy home. Yup, highest rating for energy efficiency you can get rated. Where do you live?

    LOL!
    One of many injustices that the media commited against Bush was to hide the fact that he had a super-efficient home at Crawford, loooooong before Gore made some (very recent)improvements to his mansion.

    CJ and the Left….wait, that’s redundant.
    The left always likes to propagandize with the false dichotomy. You are EITHER an AGW-believing, Gaia-worshipping fanatic OR you are indifferent to waste and littering.


  139. Russkilitlover
    139 | December 8, 2009 12:33 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Russkilitlover wrote:
    wI live in a Zero Energy home. Yup, highest rating for energy efficiency you can get rated.
    Is that like a candle lit cave?

    Nope. My neighbors and I like to wave around our yearly average elec bills of……$35.00. A/C in summer, heat in winter, the whole shebang.


  140. RIX
    140 | December 8, 2009 12:35 pm

    @ Grimcargo:

    This is a public venue , not a mosque. There is no expectation of privacy & that includes being at risk to having ones pisture taken.
    This crew was subject to intimidation & there was a subtle threat of violence imo.
    DC Police should have been providing security. I never saw a cop.


  141. vagabond trader
    142 | December 8, 2009 12:36 pm

    This has been posted before but it deserves an encore. Someone should send it to selrahC Einstein and watch him pop an artery.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp


  142. My5princesses
    143 | December 8, 2009 12:36 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    It’s like that hair treatment commercial, “You’re worth it”. I got banned from my wife’s beauty salon after witnessing what happens with the sacred coloring of the hair/highlights or whatever it was. I couldn’t control my laughter. She had this long plastic vest on, a cap with holes on her head with hair in aluminum foil wrapped around it.

    I need to remember it’s all for me though.

    BBL, must go get my wife’s friend’s grandson at his busstop.


  143. Lincolntf
    144 | December 8, 2009 12:37 pm

    @ Russkilitlover:

    How is that possible? Do you live in a high-rise maybe? I think I’m missing something here.


  144. vagabond trader
    145 | December 8, 2009 12:40 pm

    @ My5princesses:

    Hair coloring? ***Gasp*** I am permanently blonde and no male of the species is allowed to witness the procedure.


  145. Russkilitlover
    146 | December 8, 2009 12:40 pm

    Lincolntf wrote:

    @ Russkilitlover:
    How is that possible? Do you live in a high-rise maybe? I think I’m missing something here.

    Solar energy, radiant barrier roof sheathing, dual paned windows, tankless water heater, other gizmos. Also, I live in San Diego county, which pretty much has 300+ days of sunshine each year.


  146. 147 | December 8, 2009 12:42 pm

    @ myselfandi:

    Raw data is never thrown away if you are a real scientist (you may be asked to walk someone through your work step by step to prove your conclusions) or a database programmer (DELETE nothing. Ever. Flag it as deleted and don’t show that data in your view if you must, but never DELETE).

    (I am, of course, a database programmer by trade. Charles, OTOH, is a scriptkiddee with a toolkit. He’s never impressed me as a programmer)


  147. vapig
    148 | December 8, 2009 12:43 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    oba-Mao has already circumvented this by having the EPA declare air as pollution.


  148. Lincolntf
    149 | December 8, 2009 12:43 pm

    @ Russkilitlover:

    Must be nice. I just put 500 bucks in the oil tank.


  149. 150 | December 8, 2009 12:45 pm

    @ vapig:

    Yeah, you’ve got to love that. Next he’ll classify shit as toxic waste, and make you get a permit to take a dump.


  150. vapig
    151 | December 8, 2009 12:45 pm

    @ kansas:

    Lawyers only care about circumventing law, not upholding it.


  151. snork
    152 | December 8, 2009 12:46 pm

    Excellent roundup by Lucia.


  152. nobody
    153 | December 8, 2009 12:47 pm

    Over the top

    14 Charles Tue, Dec 8, 2009 11:58:19am replyquote

    * 7
    * down
    * up
    * report

    Funny how so many of the most irrational deniers seem to have numerous friends who are climate scientists. If they’re not PhD scientists themselves.

    On the Internet everyone is a rocket scientist.

    I


  153. Guggi
    154 | December 8, 2009 12:47 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    This has been posted before but it deserves an encore. Someone should send it to selrahC Einstein and watch him pop an artery.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

    This has already been discussed in one of the last 3,4,5…threads over there and is “debunked”. Bush has hidden fuel tanks (someone knew this for sure).


  154. vagabond trader
    155 | December 8, 2009 12:48 pm

    We have our own well and pay nadda for delicious untreated spring water.:-) :-) :-)

    Thats about it.


  155. spinmore
    156 | December 8, 2009 12:48 pm

    vapig wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    oba-Mao has already circumvented this by having the EPA declare air as pollution.

    Yes, and he will use the EPA as cover the same way that the AG is his cover for bringing Gitmo to NYC. Always voting ‘present’


  156. nobody
    157 | December 8, 2009 12:49 pm

    @ nobody:
    @ nobody:
    nobody wrote:

    Over the top
    14 Charles Tue, Dec 8, 2009 11:58:19am replyquote
    * 7
    * down
    * up
    * report
    Funny how so many of the most irrational deniers seem to have numerous friends who are climate scientists. If they’re not PhD scientists themselves.
    On the Internet everyone is a rocket scientist.
    I

    INCLUDING CHARLES WOULD BE MY RESPONSE.


  157. wolfie
    158 | December 8, 2009 12:50 pm

    @ nobody:

    Neither he nor Professor Lugwig Von Bulls**t see the irony, I’m sure!


  158. Russkilitlover
    159 | December 8, 2009 12:51 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    This has already been discussed in one of the last 3,4,5…threads over there and is “debunked”. Bush has hidden fuel tanks (someone knew this for sure).

    Seriously? ROTFLMAO. I’ll keep saying it: Anyone there now who was there in the free thinking days is an utter fool.


  159. vagabond trader
    160 | December 8, 2009 12:51 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    What, you think these environuts don’t think about our toilet habits as income?

    http://www.greendaily.com/2009/02/17/australians-might-get-pay-per-flush-toilet-tax/


  160. lobo91
    161 | December 8, 2009 12:51 pm

    @ nobody:

    Of course, if you posted that response at 1.0, you’d be banned.


  161. buzzsawmonkey
    162 | December 8, 2009 12:53 pm

    Hmmmmmmm, Rockette science? I could get some kicks out of that.


  162. 163 | December 8, 2009 12:53 pm

    This is interesting because of who the author is more than what is said. Looks like she is moving up in the world. I wonder what Charles thinks of her dissin’ his boy, though?


  163. wolfie
    164 | December 8, 2009 12:54 pm

    I was just reading some blurb about the soldiers at Ft. Hood being “allegedly” killed by Hasan. But I can’t tell you how many times in reading about Climategate I read about the “hacked” or “stolen” e-mails, with nary an “allegedly” in sight.
    Golly!


  164. RIX
    165 | December 8, 2009 12:54 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I would wager that I have more scientific training than Chuck & I am a lot of degrees in seperation from an expert.
    There is a disturbing patology with him, science expert, legal eagle,
    religion guru (at least anti religion) & mind reading.


  165. myselfandi
    166 | December 8, 2009 12:56 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Gatorade just announced they will stand by Tiger. Sure why not.
    “Put a Tiger in your tank or weener”

    tiger changed his name to Cheetah


  166. vapig
    167 | December 8, 2009 12:56 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    {{VT}} You go, girl!


  167. Guggi
    168 | December 8, 2009 12:57 pm

    624 Charles
    Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:54:05am replyquote 4downupreport

    re: #605 Bagua

    In the context of CRU Climate Science it means fellow conspirators who fudge data, erase emails, have journal editors removed to facilitate their fraud, and engage in organized propaganda.

    You just keep repeating these claims, no matter how many times they are shown to be false. Why?

    No data was “fudged.” All of the results from the CRU have been duplicated by numerous other sources, using the same data and other completely different datasets. Is everyone fudging their data?

    As for the journal editor in question, here’s the truth about this situation, which is nothing like what you’re trying to portray it as:

    There was no effort to “blackball journals.” There WAS a sad realization that one journal, in particular, had ceased to exercise the appropriate level of scientific rigour. It was publishing papers that could not have passed peer review anywhere else. The CRU emails did no object to the publication of the paper because the scientists disliked the authors or their conclusions, but because obvious and large mistakes had been made. “Shoddy work” was an apt description.

    The journal, Energy and Environment, was discussed on a number of emails, especially after it published a terrible paper by Baliunas and Soon. The group of scientists, whose emails make up most of what was stolen, decided to put a serious peer-reviewed effort into debunking that article. The Energy and Environment Journal is not a top journal. It is not included in Journal Citation Reports which covers the top 6,000 journals. The name of the editor rang a bell. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, who is mentioned by the scientists concerned about the sloppiness of the work, was the source of a key footnote in Lomborg’s Skeptical Environmentalist. Lomborg claimed that negotiations to arrest climate change were driven “not, as you may have thought, [by] the prospect of possibleglobal warming” but by windmill manufacturers, climate researchers and other “institutionalized interests.” His source? Solely her name. No published article. Nothing. Just Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen.

    657 Bagua
    Tue, Dec 8, 2009 11:17:30am replyquote 1downupreport

    re: #624 Charles

    You just keep repeating these claims, no matter how many times they are shown to be false. Why?
    Because I disagree. I’ve not seen them shown as false.

    No data was “fudged.” All of the results from the CRU have been duplicated by numerous other sources, using the same data and other completely different datasets. Is everyone fudging their data?

    No, “everyone” is not fudging their data, but it sure looks like the CRU hockey team may have. And no, the data has not been duplicated anywhere by anyone, that would be impossible as CRU has not released the necessary data to reproduce their data set. That is the issue.

    If there was no legitimate question the MET Office would not be re-examining 160 years of data. If there was no legitimate question they would not be releasing the first 1,500 of 5,000 data sets from stations. If there is no legitimate question Phil Jones would not have stepped asside and his university would not be reviewing his actions, as Mann’s university is reviewing his.

    Although “Bagua” is permanently claiming he would be a true believer in AGW he get’s constantly bullyed by the brain dead aka CJ.


  168. wolfie
    169 | December 8, 2009 12:57 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Bush has hidden fuel tanks

    The Family™ can arrange these things, you know.
    Bwahahahahaaaaaaa!


  169. snork
    170 | December 8, 2009 12:57 pm

    And we find more “adjustments”.

    Didn’t I say when this thing broke that it would be weeks or months for all of the analysis to come out? This is what it looks like when shit hits the fan in slow motion.


  170. song_and_dance_man
    171 | December 8, 2009 12:58 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Hmmmmmmm, Rockette science?

    Cj dabbling in science will give him a leg up on the competition.


  171. vagabond trader
    172 | December 8, 2009 12:59 pm

    @ RIX:

    Don’t forget geneticist,photographer,musician,computer programmer,cyclist and race detective. A true Renaissance man.


  172. Guggi
    173 | December 8, 2009 12:59 pm

    @ Russkilitlover:

    Seriously? ROTFLMAO. I’ll keep saying it: Anyone there now who was there in the free thinking days is an utter fool.

    agreed ;-)


  173. vagabond trader
    174 | December 8, 2009 1:01 pm

    @ vapig:

    {Vapig} Good to see you! lol, ok, Gore only has 8 powder rooms. My bad.


  174. song_and_dance_man
    175 | December 8, 2009 1:01 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Don’t forget geneticist,photographer,musician,computer programmer,cyclist and race detective. A true Renaissance man.

    He doesn’t ride his bike anymore; I think he ate it.


  175. snork
    176 | December 8, 2009 1:02 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    There was no effort to “blackball journals.” There WAS a sad realization that one journal, in particular, had ceased to exercise the appropriate level of scientific rigour.

    This may have been just a typo, but since when does Chucky spell like a Brit?

    Just tuck this away for future reference. Not a smoking gun, but definitely a smelly fart.


  176. Guggi
    177 | December 8, 2009 1:05 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    This is interesting because of who the author is more than what is said. Looks like she is moving up in the world. I wonder what Charles thinks of her dissin’ his boy, though?

    Hehe, me thinks they are now in a kind of “ice-age”, aren’t they? Last comment I saw from her on his blog was disagreeing with him.


  177. snork
    178 | December 8, 2009 1:06 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    He doesn’t ride his bike anymore; I think he ate it.

    I already told you. Francis stole it.


  178. wolfie
    179 | December 8, 2009 1:07 pm

    @ snork:

    I noticed that immediately as well….and wondered if this might be a system of sharmutitis, more commonly known as cut-and-paste disease.


  179. vapig
    180 | December 8, 2009 1:08 pm

    @ snork:

    The weasel??? hmmmm….


  180. Guggi
    181 | December 8, 2009 1:08 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Don’t forget geneticist,photographer,musician,computer programmer,cyclist and race detective. A true Renaissance man.

    But only in his wet dreams ;-)


  181. wolfie
    182 | December 8, 2009 1:09 pm

    @ wolfie:

    system=symptom


  182. Scott Madsen
    183 | December 8, 2009 1:09 pm

    myselfandi wrote:

    snork wrote:
    @ Lincolntf:
    This is exactly what the RAW data is so important. You can see what their “value adding” consists of.
    I’m not a physicist on tv or a climate scientist at The Hague. I’m just a person with a computer science degree.
    One thing I learned in Physics 101 (really it was Physics 201 since there were no 1st year physics classes) RAW DATA IS NEVER THROWN AWAY. If I check the temp every 20 minutes and write it on 50 sticky notes, I then put that raw data into a saving mechanism. These people think we are fucking idiots.

    My wife and I discussed this little fact the night of the emails coming out. We remarked how even relative idiots like us (me a general constructiom PM and her, a bitch in heals anal retentive civil defense attorney and rising expert in electronic discovery and corporate retention policy) know that data to a scientist is like air to an astronaut. We were taught as much in the first week of eigth grade IPS as was any one else in the west, which makes it plainly apparent that any one who poopoos the data loss an/or bending is no less than a charltan. But, most people don’t think so here we are.

    On another note, I just recieved a large styrofoam box full of steaks as a gift. It had about two pounds of dry ice in it, which I tossed in a sink full of water for the amusement of my children. I wonder what I owe carbon indulgences for all of this. Between the styrofoam, ups delivery, cattle grazing, production and CO2 off gasing; I may just owe an Indian Industialist a bottle of cahmpaign or two as compensation.


  183. 184 | December 8, 2009 1:10 pm

    I wonder if the World Bank is being used to manipulate under developed nations through this global warming hoax.


  184. snork
    185 | December 8, 2009 1:10 pm

    Rush interviews Capt. Kirk.

    Or vice-versa.


  185. My5princesses
    186 | December 8, 2009 1:13 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Mine just commit suicide before turning grey so far.

    Algourge might need those 8 powder rooms if he ever goes on one of those poop till you’re pooped diets.

    Hello there Vapig


  186. Runner
    187 | December 8, 2009 1:16 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    This is interesting because of who the author is more than what is said. Looks like she is moving up in the world. I wonder what Charles thinks of her dissin’ his boy, though?

    Medaura is long-winded, ain’t she?


  187. vapig
    188 | December 8, 2009 1:18 pm

    @ My5princesses:

    {{M5P}} Hi there!

    PS I sent M a request to send you my email, but haven’t received a response. Perhaps you can send her a note?


  188. Nevergiveup
    189 | December 8, 2009 1:18 pm

    Deadspin.com identified porn star Veronica Siwik-Daniels, aka Joslyn James, as a mistress. A friend of hers told the site that Woods like “freaky” acts in bed.
    She considered herself a “full-time” mistress thanks to his sexual appetite, Deadspin reported.

    And that makes 11


  189. song_and_dance_man
    190 | December 8, 2009 1:20 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    The tally may end up as an 18 hole course.


  190. vapig
    191 | December 8, 2009 1:23 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    @ song_and_dance_man:

    With so many out there (definately a serial adulterer) I’m actually really surprised this didn’t come out before now.


  191. buzzsawmonkey
    192 | December 8, 2009 1:24 pm

    Runner wrote:

    long-winded

    In some circles, logorrhea is mistaken for profundity.


  192. My5princesses
    193 | December 8, 2009 1:24 pm

    @ vapig:
    Well, I was never much on singing, but I found if I don’t do it toooo loudly, nobody knows how off key I am. I’ll send her a fSharp

    Hope your job is working out for you.


  193. Nevergiveup
    194 | December 8, 2009 1:25 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    The tally may end up as an 18 hole course.

    Tournaments are usually 4 rounds 72 holes?


  194. 195 | December 8, 2009 1:26 pm

    Are there any lists on line with the top 100 people behind this sham and all the various ways they profit from it ?


  195. Nevergiveup
    196 | December 8, 2009 1:26 pm

    vapig wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    @ song_and_dance_man:

    With so many out there (definately a serial adulterer) I’m actually really surprised this didn’t come out before now.

    Yeah, that really surprises me also


  196. Runner
    197 | December 8, 2009 1:27 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Runner wrote:

    long-winded

    In some circles, logorrhea is mistaken for profundity.

    I had to look that one up!


  197. wolfie
    198 | December 8, 2009 1:27 pm

    My advice to Mrs. Woods at this point is TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN.
    It’s a damned shame for the kids, though.


  198. Geogrunt
    199 | December 8, 2009 1:29 pm

    What do all of you think?

    Is it just me or was the timing of the finanial markets meltdown last year just prior to the election coincidence? Or possibly on purpose to make Bush, The Republicans, and Capitalism look bad. The timing is just too fishy to me. Poeple like George Soros made billions manipulating financail markets. It can be done. Now with oboma in all they need to do to destroy the US economy is make us go bankrupt. Soon global socialism will prevail?
    Or am I just a bit paranoid?

    And as Sir Winston Churchill said ” Nothing in politics happens by accident”.


  199. Rule303
    200 | December 8, 2009 1:29 pm

    Someone help me out with this; some time ago I read a very long and very interesting article about atmospheric CO2 which included some telling information regarding the human produced component of the increase in that trace gas.
    The author provided data which showed the total human contribution amounted to between aprox. 4 and at very most 12 percent of the total recorded increase. Meaning of course that the minimum “natural” contribution amounts to 88% or the total (thus the “something magical happens” aka, “feedback” theories necessary to claim that industrial activity are the culprits).

    Does anyone here know the article or where I can find that data again?


  200. 201 | December 8, 2009 1:32 pm

    Geogrunt wrote:

    finanial markets meltdown last year just prior to the election coincidence?

    Hey Geo, seems to me recessions always occur in between presidents. Which is separate from what is going on this time afterward.


  201. newsjunkie_ky
    202 | December 8, 2009 1:32 pm

    My Goodness, every fourth grader is told to ‘show your work’. A ‘scientist’ that throws out the data they used to reach their conclusion is HIDING the truth, plain and simple. People (cj) who do not understand this are complete fools.


  202. 203 | December 8, 2009 1:33 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    My advice to Mrs. Woods at this point is TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN.
    It’s a damned shame for the kids, though.

    I think the news is she is headed back to Sweden.


  203. Guggi
    204 | December 8, 2009 1:34 pm

    @ teacake:

    Are there any lists on line with the top 100 people behind this sham and all the various ways they profit from it ?

    Carbon Capitalists Warming to Climate Market Using Derivatives

    Snip

    U.S. Cap and Trade

    Those two economies are the biggest emitters of CO2, the most ubiquitous of the gases found to cause global warming. The Kyoto Protocol, whose emissions targets will expire in 2012, spawned a carbon-trading system in Europe that the banks hope will be replicated in the U.S.

    The U.S. Senate is debating a clean-energy bill that would introduce cap and trade for U.S. emissions. A similar bill passed the House of Representatives in June. The plan would transform U.S. industry by forcing the biggest companies — such as utilities, oil and gas drillers and cement makers — to calculate the amounts of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases they emit and then pay for them.

    Estimates of the potential size of the U.S. cap-and-trade market range from $300 billion to $2 trillion.

    Banks Moving In

    Banks intend to become the intermediaries in this fledgling market. Although U.S. carbon legislation may not pass for a year or more, Wall Street has already spent hundreds of millions of dollars hiring lobbyists and making deals with companies that can supply them with “carbon offsets” to sell to clients.

    JPMorgan, for instance, purchased ClimateCare in early 2008 for an undisclosed sum. This month, it paid $210 million for Eco-Securities Group Plc, the biggest developer of projects used to generate credits offsetting government-regulated carbon emissions. Financial institutions have also been investing in alternative energy, such as wind and solar power, and lending to clean-technology entrepreneurs.

    The banks are preparing to do with carbon what they’ve done before: design and market derivatives contracts that will help client companies hedge their price risk over the long term. They’re also ready to sell carbon-related financial products to outside investors.

    Masters says banks must be allowed to lead the way if a mandatory carbon-trading system is going to help save the planet at the lowest possible cost. And derivatives related to carbon must be part of the mix, she says. Derivatives are securities whose value is derived from the value of an underlying commodity — in this case, CO2 and other greenhouse gases.

    ‘Heavy Involvement’

    “This requires a massive redirection of capital,” Masters says. “You can’t have a successful climate policy without the heavy, heavy involvement of financial institutions.”

    As a young London banker in the early 1990s, Masters was part of JPMorgan’s team developing ideas for transferring risk to third parties. She went on to manage credit risk for JPMorgan’s investment bank.

    Among the credit derivatives that grew from the bank’s early efforts was the credit-default swap. A CDS is a contract that functions like insurance by protecting debt holders against default. In 2008, after U.S. home prices plunged, the cost of protection against subprime-mortgage bond defaults jumped. Insurer American International Group Inc., which had sold billions in CDSs, was forced into government ownership, roiling markets and helping trigger the worst global recession since the 1930s.

    Snip


  204. vagabond trader
    205 | December 8, 2009 1:35 pm

    @ Geogrunt:

    I tend to agree with Sir Winston, especially when Chitown Demonrats are involved.


  205. Geogrunt
    206 | December 8, 2009 1:36 pm

    teacake wrote:

    Geogrunt wrote:
    finanial markets meltdown last year just prior to the election coincidence?
    Hey Geo, seems to me recessions always occur in between presidents. Which is separate from what is going on this time afterward.

    I am talking about the stock market crash that happened while McCain was still about 2-3 points ahead in the polls, not the recession the libs were telling us we were in for a couple of yrs prior to it actually occurring.


  206. wolfie
    207 | December 8, 2009 1:37 pm

    Geogrunt wrote:

    Or am I just a bit paranoid?

    I don’t think you’re paranoid. The timing was amazingly lucky for the Dems, so I think it’s only natural to wonder.

    I’ve never seen any hard evidence of deliberate mainipulation of the markets, but then, who knows?


  207. vapig
    208 | December 8, 2009 1:38 pm

    @ My5princesses:

    Honestly, I love it! Fits me like a glove -- and after the rough patch earlier this year, I’m very grateful to even have a job, let alone a wonderful one that I really enjoy! The Lord has been very good to me this year!


  208. vagabond trader
    209 | December 8, 2009 1:38 pm

    @ snork:

    By and by would this odiforous exhaust have a name we might recognize?


  209. 210 | December 8, 2009 1:39 pm

    @ Guggi:
    Thanks Guggi. I ran a search but didn’t find what I was looking for exactly. To my surprise I found many sites about that global climate warming is actually better for the planet. Example


  210. 211 | December 8, 2009 1:42 pm

    Geogrunt wrote:

    teacake wrote:
    Geogrunt wrote:
    finanial markets meltdown last year just prior to the election coincidence?
    Hey Geo, seems to me recessions always occur in between presidents. Which is separate from what is going on this time afterward.
    I am talking about the stock market crash that happened while McCain was still about 2-3 points ahead in the polls, not the recession the libs were telling us we were in for a couple of yrs prior to it actually occurring.

    Who really can pinpoint what George Soros is up to. And I don’t know economics whatsoever. Just have noticed that during each new election of a new president, the uncertainty of what the future holds seems to have an effect on money stalling. Just an observation. But, there are so many chefs in the kitchen these days I’m surprised the economy is ever stable.


  211. song_and_dance_man
    212 | December 8, 2009 1:43 pm

    Runner wrote:

    \

    Medaura is long-winded, ain’t she?

    The long and winding wrote
    That reads to a bore
    Will never disappear
    I’ve seen that wrote before.
    It always leads me here,
    Reading like before.

    The wild and windy write
    And the words penned today,
    Has left a screed of smears
    Fodder for the day.
    Why leave me reading here,
    Get me out’ the way.


  212. song_and_dance_man
    213 | December 8, 2009 1:45 pm

    vapig wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    @ song_and_dance_man:
    With so many out there (definately a serial adulterer) I’m actually really surprised this didn’t come out before now.

    Who would have ever thought Tiger had a magic johnson?


  213. Guggi
    214 | December 8, 2009 1:47 pm

    @ teacake:

    Example

    Nice find ;-)


  214. vapig
    215 | December 8, 2009 1:47 pm

    @ Geogrunt:

    I blame Chuck Schumer for the meltdown. He did a dry run on Indie Bank by publishing a letter in the NYT that said something like they were on some insolvent list. This caused a run the bank and collapsed it. Turned out later that this bank was fine and had been on that list for something like 8 years with no problems.

    However, the formula worked and they started collapsing bank after bank -- right before the election. Mark Levin called it one of the best October surprises he had ever seen and cursed the devious dems for perpetuating it all in the name of politics. McCain was ahead before this happened.


  215. vagabond trader
    216 | December 8, 2009 1:47 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    flatulence via keyboard.


  216. snork
    217 | December 8, 2009 1:48 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ snork:
    By and by would this odiforous exhaust have a name we might recognize?

    Don’t know, but Jimwhistle also spells like that.


  217. buzzsawmonkey
    218 | December 8, 2009 1:48 pm

    Geogrunt wrote:

    Or am I just a bit paranoid?

    You are “paranoid” because you are assuming connections which cannot be proven. If the connections could be proven, you would be “intuitive” or “prescient.”

    But, insofar as there is little one can do—if one is not a billionaire currency manipulator—to prevent such things happening, all one can do in practice is try and act on your suspicions in a direct fashion locally.


  218. My5princesses
    219 | December 8, 2009 1:50 pm

    @ vapig:

    Good for you girl, not too many people love their job. I’m glad you feel blessed. I wish I could say the same, but each day allows a new opportunity to take stock of what I still have, and it gets better.


  219. snork
    220 | December 8, 2009 1:50 pm

    teacake wrote:

    Just have noticed that during each new election of a new president, the uncertainty of what the future holds seems to have an effect on money stalling.

    The EPA and Obama’s Uncertainty Tax


  220. song_and_dance_man
    221 | December 8, 2009 1:51 pm

    teacake wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Thanks Guggi. I ran a search but didn’t find what I was looking for exactly. To my surprise I found many sites about that global climate warming is actually better for the planet. Example

    ha

    From a purely evolutionary point of view, warm periods have always benefited plants and animals.

    For Charles Foster Johnson -- avowed Evolutionist and suspected God denier -- this may be bad news and pseudo science.


  221. wolfie
    222 | December 8, 2009 1:51 pm

    @ teacake:

    To meet the standards of the AGW Inquisition you must firmly believe
    -that the climate is warming
    -that it is caused by man-cause CO2 emissions
    -that the amount of warming caused by us will result in catastrophe

    If you are the least bit sceptical, if you so much as question our absolute certainty about any of these points, you are an irrational, anti-science, heretical denier.

    (And probably a creationist shill for Big Tobacco. But that’s another story.)


  222. vapig
    223 | December 8, 2009 1:52 pm

    Time to go, Netizens! Have a wonderful evening!


  223. vagabond trader
    224 | December 8, 2009 1:52 pm

    @ snork:

    Perhaps a little wedding gift.

    http://twitter.com/JimmahIceLLC


  224. 225 | December 8, 2009 1:52 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    @ teacake:
    Example
    Nice find

    I was really surprised how much information is out there with the exact opposite scenarios to global warming. I searched as -- who benefits from global warming


  225. 226 | December 8, 2009 1:56 pm

    snork wrote:

    teacake wrote:
    Just have noticed that during each new election of a new president, the uncertainty of what the future holds seems to have an effect on money stalling.
    The EPA and Obama’s Uncertainty Tax

    THanks Snork, got it bookmarked and will read it a little later. Got to go for now.


  226. song_and_dance_man
    227 | December 8, 2009 1:56 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:
    @ Nevergiveup:
    The tally may end up as an 18 hole course.

    Tournaments are usually 4 rounds 72 holes?

    Not sure, but that is uncomfortably too close to the 72 furchin paradigm. I’m fairly certain Muslims didn’t invent Golf.


  227. vagabond trader
    228 | December 8, 2009 1:58 pm

    @ teacake:

    This is a good point.Just on a local level back in the early 90s we had some mild winters here in the Northeast. Less heating oil consumption, less use of enviromentally damaging chemicals to melt ice, towns were more solvent due to less money spent on snow removal and the resulting road repairs, fewer weather related accidents,fewer indigents freezing to death.


  228. buzzsawmonkey
    229 | December 8, 2009 1:58 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    I’m fairly certain Muslims didn’t invent Golf.

    What about the Persian Golf, wise guy?


  229. Ma Sands
    230 | December 8, 2009 1:58 pm

    @ My5princesses:

    I am glad it gets better. I’d like very much to know when it passes the mark into true enjoyment! : )


  230. Guggi
    231 | December 8, 2009 1:59 pm

    The unprincipled apostate over there goes islamist:

    140 Charles
    Tue, Dec 8, 2009 11:11:46am replyquote 5downupreport

    re: #90 ralphieboy

    There is a line that we need to observe in oursociety though, namely that when Islam (or any other religion) does become political in the sense of advocating or supporting acts of violence, that it loses its right to be practiced freely.

    Absolutely NOT. If you continue to promote this anti-American crap at my site you’re going to lose your account.


  231. vagabond trader
    232 | December 8, 2009 1:59 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    and fewer fires related to desperate people using faulty heating methods.


  232. vagabond trader
    233 | December 8, 2009 2:01 pm

    @ Guggi:

    So “religions” advocating violence in America are ok by the militant atheist? Hmmm.


  233. Nevergiveup
    234 | December 8, 2009 2:01 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    The unprincipled apostate over there goes islamist:

    140 Charles
    Tue, Dec 8, 2009 11:11:46am replyquote 5downupreport

    re: #90 ralphieboy

    There is a line that we need to observe in oursociety though, namely that when Islam (or any other religion) does become political in the sense of advocating or supporting acts of violence, that it loses its right to be practiced freely.

    Absolutely NOT. If you continue to promote this anti-American crap at my site you’re going to lose your account.

    I don’t know but ralphieboy seems to be onto something


  234. vagabond trader
    235 | December 8, 2009 2:02 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Bet they invented sand traps tho. :-)


  235. lobo91
    236 | December 8, 2009 2:02 pm

    @ wolfie:

    To meet the standards of the AGW Inquisition you must firmly believe
    -that the climate is warming
    -that it is caused by man-cause CO2 emissions
    -that the amount of warming caused by us will result in catastrophe

    You forgot one:

    -that we can do anything to stop it


  236. buzzsawmonkey
    237 | December 8, 2009 2:04 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Bet they invented sand traps tho.

    Haw!


  237. 238 | December 8, 2009 2:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ wolfie:
    To meet the standards of the AGW Inquisition you must firmly believe
    -that the climate is warming
    -that it is caused by man-cause CO2 emissions
    -that the amount of warming caused by us will result in catastrophe
    You forgot one:
    -that we can do anything to stop it

    There is no god but global warming and Al Gore is its only prophet/
    I think some said that here at on time.


  238. 239 | December 8, 2009 2:09 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Bet they invented sand traps tho.

    Their golf bags have nothing but sand wedges in them.


  239. song_and_dance_man
    240 | December 8, 2009 2:09 pm

    @ Guggi:

    How utterly queer/strange. Charles Foster Johnson -- avowed Evolutionist, suspected God denier and now All American Twitter Twinker -- speaks for what is American in value and has a self made measure to rule by.

    He must have the bestest recipe for Apple Pie ever.


  240. My5princesses
    241 | December 8, 2009 2:10 pm

    @ Ma Sands:

    Maybe after Christmas. I’ve noticed the more time I spend with my littlest princess, the better. We went out for Pizza last Friday, just the two of us. Nobody thought she was my daughter, must be getting old.


  241. Carolina Girl
    242 | December 8, 2009 2:19 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:
    buzz, being a lawyer, can probably answer this best, but my common sense reply would be, just as the one who hit you from behind is responsible for the damage, the one who burns last is the debtor for recompense for the damage from carbon emissions.
    I’m afraid that one’s outside of my area of expertise. But I can see that there is a new field of opportunity opening up.

    Buzz, I remember when law firms were raking in big $$$ scaring the shit out of our clients over Y2K. We actually had a practice group set up for it -- they gave out “countdown” clocks to the clients. By the time 11:59 December 31, 1999 rolled around here on the West Coast, I figured we were safe when civilization hadn’t ended in Sydney.


  242. snork
    243 | December 8, 2009 2:24 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    To meet the standards of the AGW Inquisition you must firmly believe
    -that the climate is warming
    -that it is caused by man-cause CO2 emissions
    -that the amount of warming caused by us will result in catastrophe

    Unless you’re an animal rights freak, in which case you substitute methane for CO2. Seriously, that’s what they’re saying.


  243. Geogrunt
    244 | December 8, 2009 2:24 pm

    teacake wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    @ teacake:
    Example
    Nice find
    I was really surprised how much information is out there with the exact opposite scenarios to global warming. I searched as – who benefits from global warming

    When I was in Grad school I wrote a paper for a global climate change class I took in 1997. The topic was the effects of climate change on human evolution and migration patterns. I got a B- on the paper, but the overwellming evidence by the reserachers I cited was that global warming was good for humanity, it allowed us to spread out. Global cooling on the other hand had extremely bad results for many tribes/groups who litterally became extinct during a global cooling episodes. It was especially obvious through the study of Middle Eastern archeology that showed time after time the various tribes/groups would spread out in global warming phases and then when the northern latitudes cooled, the populations were forced to migrate back to already populated areas and war was the result, with one tribe or group wiping out the competetion. Interesting stuff.


  244. snork
    245 | December 8, 2009 2:29 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I remember when law firms were raking in big $$$ scaring the shit out of our clients over Y2K. We actually had a practice group set up for it – they gave out “countdown” clocks to the clients.

    Not as much $$$ as the generator makers. They were so backlogged, they were finishing Y2K projects in 2001.


  245. Pragmatist
    246 | December 9, 2009 10:08 pm

    Just saw this posted over on AT and laughed out loud its hilarious and made more so by being so TRUE.

    Russ Vaughn
    I’m a Believer
    (With apologies to The Monkees and dedicated to Senator Barbara Boxer – Ma’am)

    I bought into Al Gore’s climate fairy tales,
    Meant for tin-hat lemmings just like me;
    Al was out to get me,
    With his scary themes,
    Disappearing icecaps haunted my dreams.

    Then I got the faith, now I’m a believer
    Not a trace of doubt in my mind
    I’m with Al, I’m a believer
    I couldn’t see truth if I tried

    Climategate is such a very little thing,
    Meaningless to moonbats just like me;
    Deniers are such liars,
    That’s the way it seems,
    Dumping stolen emails on Al’s schemes.

    But I’ve got the faith, I’m a believer
    Not a trace of light enters my mind
    I’m with Al, I’m a believer
    I couldn’t see truth if I tried.

    I thought global warming was a given thing,
    Seems the more I give the more Al’s got;
    What’s the chance he’s lyin,’
    All for his own show,
    When he’s needin’ heat waves he gets snow.

    But I still got faith, I’m still a believer
    Still no trace of doubt in my mind
    I’m with Al, I’m a believer
    I really don’t care if he lied.

    Russ Vaughn


  246. Pragmatist
    247 | December 9, 2009 10:11 pm

    What I want to know from the WARMISTS is this. We are STILL waiting for him to tell us if CO2 is or is NOT a Pollutant. Then to tell us just HOW much CO2 in the atmosphere is MAN MADE and what percentage that is of both the WHOLE atmosphere and of the TOTAL CO2 in the atmosphere NOW.Then tell us HISTORICALLY what has been the level of CO2 for the past 1.5 Billion years along with a TEMPERATURE graph for the whole period too (CRU and IPCC graphs are not acceptable TRICK, MANIPULATE and HIDE THE DECLINE tells you why). Then of course he has to PROVE that this MINISCULE percentage of of total CO2 that is MAN MADE CO2 is causing all the problems. Something of course NO SCIENTIST has yet been able to do maybe they know something SCIENTISTS don’t LOL. All we have from SCIENTISTS is the ASSUMPTION that because the Earths temperature WAS (and I do mean WAS) rising and than MAN MADE CO2 was increasing that MAN MADE CO2 was the cause. Of course in making this assumption they totally IGNORED the big yellow thing in the sky and ALL the other factors that effect Climate filed under too difficult and not POLITICALLY acceptable to the CONTROL FREAK Green NAZI CAUSE I suppose.


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