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Liberals are racists? Say it ain’t so, Tony!

by Bob in Breckenridge ( 138 Comments › )
Filed under Progressives at December 9th, 2009 - 12:47 pm

Did anyone see Football Night in America Sunday night and hear former Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy’s comments about race and racism being a factor in colleges’ not hiring black head football coaches?

And who is it that runs these racist institutions of higher learning that won’t hire blacks to be their head football coaches?

Why, it’s liberals, of course!

Those same all-caring and compassionate liberals who claim to to care about the plight of minorities and save them from us evil conservatives and republicans!

Of course, we all know that’s a crock of crap. Leftists are the true racists who think blacks can’t survive without the liberal to give them their monthly welfare check, government housing, or give them an education using disciminatory affirmative action laws. Here’s a letter to the editor he wrote in the New York Times-

Diversity Everywhere but the Sidelines

By TONY DUNGY
Tampa, Fla.

IN the last month, we witnessed the inauguration of our first African-American president and also saw Mike Tomlin of the Pittsburgh Steelers become the second African-American head coach to lead his team to a Super Bowl win. The fact that there was very little talk of Tomlin’s race in the week leading up to the game suggests just how much progress has been made in terms of black men in leadership positions in the N.F.L.

February is also the month that high school football players choose the colleges they will attend in the fall. While it’s an exciting day for those seniors, it’s a disappointing day for me. You see, many of those players who choose the top schools are African-American and yet almost none of them will get the opportunity to play for an African-American head coach. Of 120 teams in the N.C.A.A.’s Bowl Subdivision, the top tier of play, only seven have black head coaches.

One would think that our universities would be leading the way in progressive thinking. You wouldn’t think that in 2009 it would be more likely for an African-American to become president of the United States than to be hired as head coach of a top-20 football program. But that seems to be the case.

Over the past decade I’ve been contacted by many universities who were looking for head coaches. I’ve recommended African-American coaches including Herm Edwards, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin, Ron Meeks and Leslie Frazier — men with great leadership skills and great track records in the N.F.L. None was hired, and rarely did they even get interviewed by those universities.

With the progress that has been made in terms of diversity in politics, in other collegiate sports and in professional football — Edwards, Smith and Tomlin all got top jobs in the N.F.L. — why is college football hiring so far behind? At a seminar last spring in Indianapolis with other N.F.L. and college head coaches and university athletic directors, I asked that very question, and was enlightened by the responses of those directors. The biggest factor, they said, was the involvement of other people associated with the universities. It was not just the president and the athletic director who made the hiring decisions — alumni and boosters were involved, and the presidents often felt pressure to hire coaches the boosters would support.

That appears to be the biggest difference between the N.F.L. and the N.C.A.A. in hiring practices. While a university president may have to appease alumni, Dan Rooney, the owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, can hire someone like Tomlin without having to consult anyone else.

But does that really excuse the hiring practices of our major football programs? Shouldn’t minority students be able to see role models of diverse leadership at the college level? How long should we give a pass to these institutions that should be at the forefront of diversity?

Read the rest here

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  1. 1 | December 9, 2009 12:51 pm

    If the NBA, and NFL had to stand by the same “diversity” standards as other major corporations, they would be forced to include white, asian, and female, etc. athletes in comparison to their percentage in society.

    The lack of these individuals in direct comparison to their representation in society evidences an institutional racism, and discrimination of these corporations.

    The same goes for Rap music!


  2. coldwarrior
    2 | December 9, 2009 12:54 pm

    like wrath said…how about some diversity on the field?

    we have to have diversity everywhere else?

    well…


  3. Bob in Breckenridge
    3 | December 9, 2009 12:57 pm

    Chris Rock said it best when he said he knew the world was screwed up because the best golfer is black and the best rapper is white.

    BTW, who decided that Tiger Woods is black? Liberals, of course!

    They’re fixated on race.

    Even he doesn’t say that. He says he’s a “Cablinasian” an abbreviation he coined from Caucasian, Black, American Indian, and Asian, and he actually has more Asian blood than any other race.


  4. Scott Madsen
    4 | December 9, 2009 1:03 pm

    How many that are qualified have applied for the position?

    Was that question asked?


  5. Bob in Breckenridge
    5 | December 9, 2009 1:05 pm

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    How many that are qualified have applied for the position?
    Was that question asked?

    Dungy said all were more than qualified and that most weren’t even interviewed.


  6. 6 | December 9, 2009 1:05 pm

    Racism is stupid, no matter where it comes from, who it benefits or who it holds down.

    We won’t get past racism as long as we focus on it and demand that people hire race X or race Y out of ‘fairness’

    We also won’t get past it as long as people make racist decisions.

    You want to get past racism? Stop being racist. Stop caring what a person look like and focus on what they can do.

    Respect their freedom and enable them to gain further freedom. Stop living the stereotype of your ‘race’ and start just being responsible for your actions.

    End of story.


  7. 7 | December 9, 2009 1:07 pm

    It seems often that “racial discrimination” (as it is mostly a political determinant) only goes one way.

    No one ever protests or claims racial discrimination when there is an overwhelming, unnatural number of __enter protected group here__ in an organization.

    The BBC America has too many Brits (National Origin Discrimination), the BET (Black Ent TV) has too many Blacks (Racial Discrimination), the NFL and NBA have too many non-whites (racial discrimination) the WNBA has too many women (Gender discrimination)…


  8. kansas
    8 | December 9, 2009 1:10 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Scott Madsen wrote:
    How many that are qualified have applied for the position?
    Was that question asked?
    Dungy said all were more than qualified and that most weren’t even interviewed.

    I guess we’ll take his word on that. Where’s he at on global warming and the health care bill?


  9. 9 | December 9, 2009 1:11 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    I’ve watch the WNBA.. I’m not convinced that all of them are women.


  10. Guggi
    10 | December 9, 2009 1:15 pm

    413 Sharmuta
    Wed, Dec 9, 2009 1:04:58pm replyquote 5downupreport

    The circle is complete. CBS links to LGF.


  11. NoThreat2U
    11 | December 9, 2009 1:20 pm

    Glen Beck thread = 448
    Five DC area muslim thread = 73

    ?


  12. right wing zephyr
    12 | December 9, 2009 1:21 pm

    Saw this commentary. Dungy seems to have his head on straight but he did say clearly that the Boosters were the big problem in hiring more minorities and that it came down to the Presidents standing up to them, despite threats of fewer $ contributions.


  13. Bob in Breckenridge
    13 | December 9, 2009 1:22 pm

    kansas wrote:

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
    Scott Madsen wrote:
    How many that are qualified have applied for the position?
    Was that question asked?
    Dungy said all were more than qualified and that most weren’t even interviewed.
    I guess we’ll take his word on that. Where’s he at on global warming and the health care bill?

    I know Dungy is not a liberal. He was on Rush’s show earlier this year. After listening to him then, I thought he was a closet conservative.


  14. 14 | December 9, 2009 1:23 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Not to mention the muslim guy in chicago that was arrested as one of the people planning the attacks in Mumbai (sp?) in 2008.


  15. Bob in Breckenridge
    15 | December 9, 2009 1:25 pm

    We need to add Col. Oliver North to our prayer list-

    Oliver L. North, the Iran-contra figure who now hosts Fox News Channel’s documentary series “War Stories,” is temporarily off the air while he undergoes treatment for prostate cancer, POLITICO has learned. Sources said his prognosis is excellent.

    Semper Fi and God bless you Colonel!


  16. NoThreat2U
    16 | December 9, 2009 1:28 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    I have a picture around here somewhere of my big bro shaking hands with Ollie when they were in Iraq. He’s a big fan of Ollie’s.


  17. NoThreat2U
    17 | December 9, 2009 1:29 pm

    @ LanceKates:
    And the last comment was over an hour ago. Shows what is important to them I guess.


  18. 18 | December 9, 2009 1:29 pm

    @ LanceKates:

    That sum-bish pretended to be a Jew, and actually (most likely) broke bread with the murdered at the Chabad house while scoping it out.


  19. NoThreat2U
    19 | December 9, 2009 1:31 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    There is a special place in hell awaiting him.


  20. Lizzie_in_Texas
    20 | December 9, 2009 1:35 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    They are perusing through Hotair for racial comments per their marching orders – lol.


  21. coldwarrior
    21 | December 9, 2009 1:38 pm

    Lizzie_in_Texas wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    They are perusing through Hotair for racial comments per their marching orders – lol.

    worker bees protecting the hive.


  22. My5princesses
    22 | December 9, 2009 1:39 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    A little slow here, happens when you’re a G-Pa I guess. Left one on the previous thread for ya.

    Lance, stay out of trouble

    Must go, take care


  23. buzzsawmonkey
    23 | December 9, 2009 1:40 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    worker bees protecting the hive.

    Speaking of which, if you have not read this superb short story by Rudyard Kipling, savaging the concept of PC and progressivism, you owe it to yourself to do so:

    The Mother Hive.


  24. Bob in Breckenridge
    24 | December 9, 2009 1:41 pm

    O/T, but Algore was caught lying (again) about the climategate scandal and emails, claiming they were over 10 yrs old, so they’re not relevant. From the Victoria, Australia Herald-Sun…

    Climategate: Gore falsifies the record
    Andrew Bolt
    Wednesday, December 09, 2009 at 12:02am

    Al Gore has studied the Climategate emails with his typically rigorous eye and dismissed them as mere piffle:

    Q: How damaging to your argument was the disclosure of e-mails from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University?

    A: To paraphrase Shakespeare, it’s sound and fury signifying nothing. I haven’t read all the e-mails, but the most recent one is more than 10 years old. These private exchanges between these scientists do not in any way cause any question about the scientific consensus.

    And in case you think that was a mere slip of the tongue:

    Q: There is a sense in these e-mails, though, that data was hidden and hoarded, which is the opposite of the case you make [in your book] about having an open and fair debate.

    A: I think it’s been taken wildly out of context. The discussion you’re referring to was about two papers that two of these scientists felt shouldn’t be accepted as part of the IPCC report. Both of them, in fact, were included, referenced, and discussed. So an e-mail exchange more than 10 years ago including somebody’s opinion that a particular study isn’t any good is one thing, but the fact that the study ended up being included and discussed anyway is a more powerful comment on what the result of the scientific process really is.

    In fact, thrice denied:

    These people are examining what they can or should do to deal with the P.R. dimensions of this, but where the scientific consensus is concerned, it’s completely unchanged. What we’re seeing is a set of changes worldwide that just make this discussion over 10-year-old e-mails kind of silly.

    In fact, as Watts Up With That shows, one Climategate email was from just two months ago. The most recent was sent on November 12 -- just a month ago. The emails which have Tom Wigley seeming (to me) to choke on the deceit are all from this year. Phil Jones’ infamous email urging other Climategate scientists to delete emails is from last year.

    How closely did Gore read these emails? Did he actually read any at all? Was he lying or just terribly mistaken? What else has he got wrong?

    /I wonder why our state-controlled media didn’t report this to us…I guess they’re too busy reporting on Tiger’s tails, pun intended. :)


  25. m
    25 | December 9, 2009 1:42 pm

    @ Lizzie_in_Texas:

    Lizzie, was it you that wanted to change your display name?

    HEY MY5! ! !


  26. RIX
    26 | December 9, 2009 1:43 pm

    I like Tony Dungy, good guy & was a great coach, buy I don’t really buy in to some of his comments.
    When Notre Dame had to let Tyrone Willingham go, there was a real dust up because he is African American. He did a poor job, but never mind & of course Jesse Jackson got involved. There doesn’t seem to be any tears for Charlie Weiss.
    IMO, what is not being said is that many schools fear that firing an unsuccessful Black coach will bring them grief.


  27. Fritz Katz
    27 | December 9, 2009 1:43 pm

    OT:

    One of the major liberal hissing points used against the Bush administration’s handling of the Iraq war was that “Saddam had no connection to al-Qaeda”. Or “Saddam’s government and al-Qaeda hated each other and would never cooperate”.

    Once more, history has proven the liberals wrong.

    A source at the ‘Iraq Memory Foundation’, which is going through thousands of files to document Saddam Hussein’s reign, has reported that they have seen documents showing a link between Saddam and al-Qaeda.

    The lead prosecutor of Saddam Hussein, Ja’far al-Musawi, says that he has seen official documents that prove that his regime was involved with Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri.

    Last year, a Kurdish newspaper published an Iraqi intelligence document from 2002 referencing a proposed meeting with al-Zawahiri to discuss a “revenge operation” against Saudi Arabia at Saddam Hussein’s request.

    ((much more evidence for the Saddam/al-Qaeda connection is presented at Pajamas Media))


  28. Bob in Breckenridge
    28 | December 9, 2009 1:46 pm

    @ #27 Fritz Katz:

    /Nothing to see there, move right along…


  29. NoThreat2U
    29 | December 9, 2009 1:46 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Maybe once the authorities see how many things are being reported by “lizards” they will make them cease and desist?? lol WTF are they…the ISS?? (ISS=Internet Secret Service) Ordered to peruse various right wing blogs and report any racist comments???????? Get. A. Life.


  30. Goodbye_Natalie
    30 | December 9, 2009 1:46 pm

    Disappointed in Dungy and his fixation on race -- I thought him better than that.

    Having said that, Dungy is factually incorrect in his assessment that, “You wouldn’t think that in 2009 it would be more likely for an African-American to become president of the United States than to be hired as head coach of a top-20 football program. But that seems to be the case.”

    I can think of three “African-American” (another PC and racist descriptor that I refuse to use) head coaches at top 20 football programs, and all proved to be unmitigated disasters; John Blake at Oklahoma, Ty Willingham (who failed twice) at Notre Dame and Washington, and Karl Dorrell at UCLA. Granted UCLA and Notre Dame aren’t what they used to be, but they are still highly regarded programs for power and prestige.

    Dungy is full of crap. It’s comments like this when somebody calls me racist for pointing out the truth, I wear their “assessment” with honor, realizing the true racist is the one fixated on the color of one’s skin. Guess judging by that content of their character went out the window someplace, somehow.


  31. vapig
    31 | December 9, 2009 1:47 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    The lack of these individuals in direct comparison to their representation in society evidences an institutional racism, and discrimination of these corporations.

    Silly, silly, Wrath! Don’t you know that progs, who started out as the slaveowners of the south, have simply rearranged things back to the old ways. Blacks serve their masters on the sports fields and their masters take “care” of them on plantations now known as inter-cities.


  32. lobo91
    32 | December 9, 2009 1:47 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    Semper Fi and God bless you Colonel!

    Agreed. Wife and I got to meet him at the NRA Annual Meeting in Phoenix last May, where he was the keynote speaker at the banquet. Very nice man, and incredibly supportive of the troops.


  33. vapig
    33 | December 9, 2009 1:49 pm

    @ LanceKates:

    You want to get past racism? Stop being racist. Stop caring what a person look like and focus on what they can do.

    Actually, I think Morgan Freeman said it best -- “Just stop talking about it.”


  34. Bob in Breckenridge
    34 | December 9, 2009 1:50 pm

    @ Goodbye_Natalie:

    Dungy said that none were hired in 2009, not that there weren’t any.


  35. buzzsawmonkey
    35 | December 9, 2009 1:50 pm

    Goodbye_Natalie wrote:

    Guess judging by that content of their character went out the window someplace, somehow.

    Now not our character, nor its content
    Is as important as color, per the son of pork…

    —opening lines of Shakespeare’s hitherto-unknown PC play, “The Richer are Turds”


  36. wolfie
    36 | December 9, 2009 1:51 pm

    If it were up the leftists in charge of universities today, there would not be any jobs at all in college football. They are exceedingly hostile to athletic departments and especially to football, which is the last domain of testosterone on campus. Trust me, they’d abolish it in a second if they could.

    As for the boosters, all they want is a winning team. If Tony Dungy himself were on the market, booster clubs all over the country would be in a shooting war to get him.

    So why so few black head coaches in football at the college level? I don’t know. Blacks have certainly made huge inroads in basketball coaching. I am sceptical that “institutional racism” is the reason, but as I say, I don’t know.


  37. coldwarrior
    37 | December 9, 2009 1:53 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    hmmm….it’s been a LONG time since i looked at that…will re-read

    i may have to do a massive kipling review.


  38. buzzsawmonkey
    38 | December 9, 2009 1:55 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i may have to do a massive kipling review.

    You won’t regret it.


  39. Lizzie_in_Texas
    39 | December 9, 2009 1:55 pm

    @ m:
    Yes. That was me. Is it possible?


  40. 40 | December 9, 2009 1:55 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    He’s a Christian, He talked about Jesus Christ when they won the Super-Bowl

    A real Christian does not deny Christ.


  41. wolfie
    41 | December 9, 2009 1:56 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I’m giving Mr. Wolf the complete works of Kipling for Christmas!!!
    And he’s giving me a belt sander!!!
    (We have a whole new concept of “exchanging” gifts!)


  42. m
    42 | December 9, 2009 1:57 pm

    @ Goodbye_Natalie:

    Lovin the avatar Tex!


  43. 43 | December 9, 2009 1:57 pm

    @ m:

    Is that your cat?


  44. m
    44 | December 9, 2009 1:58 pm

    @ Lizzie_in_Texas:

    Yep! I thought it was you, but when I came back to the thread everyone was gone!

    :)

    You can change it on the profile page, or I can change it for you. What was the nic you wanted? Dolphin, I think?


  45. Bob in Breckenridge
    45 | December 9, 2009 1:58 pm

    @ #36 wolfie:

    I have to disagree with you on this- I think it’s because of the exact same reason there used to be no black quarterbacks. The racist “thinking” back then (in the 1970′s and earlier) was that blacks weren’t smart enough to be quarterbacks.


  46. RIX
    46 | December 9, 2009 1:58 pm

    @ davehm:

    Dungy is a good guy & as a Bears fan, I sgree with him that Lovie Smith should be coaching at some university.


  47. m
    47 | December 9, 2009 1:58 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yes ~ the lovable, cuddable SMOKESTER!

    ;-)


  48. wolfie
    48 | December 9, 2009 1:58 pm

    @ Fritz Katz:

    Interesting stuff. Thank you!


  49. 49 | December 9, 2009 1:59 pm

    @ vapig:

    Yes, but is it not the Right’s fault for not pointing out the hypocracy of the Left next time they make a demand?

    It is like the Saudis getting angry at Switzerland for the Minaret Ban, or Israel not demanding 1/2 of Medina for 1/2 of Jerusalem.


  50. Lizzie_in_Texas
    50 | December 9, 2009 1:59 pm

    @ m:
    That is correct. Will I still log in as Lizzie, but it will display Dolphin? Not sure how it works here.


  51. coldwarrior
    51 | December 9, 2009 2:00 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    hmmm….it’s been a LONG time since i looked at that…will re-read
    i may have to do a massive kipling review.

    i have all the kipling on the shelf to my left….right beside the churchill history of english speaking people

    and right beside that is a orthodox BIBLE!!!!

    bbl…dinner tyme!


  52. m
    52 | December 9, 2009 2:00 pm

    @ Lizzie_in_Texas:

    Yes, your login will stay the same. I’ll change the display name now~


  53. m
    53 | December 9, 2009 2:02 pm

    It may take a few to catch up, but you’re good to go Dolphin!


  54. Dolphin
    54 | December 9, 2009 2:02 pm

    @ m:
    Thanks you very much! I feel like my old self now! BTW -- that was quick!


  55. wolfie
    55 | December 9, 2009 2:02 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    Well, as I say, I don’t know. There could still be some thinking like that, despite the fact that black coaches has definitely proven themselves in the pro ranks.


  56. Goodbye_Natalie
    56 | December 9, 2009 2:03 pm

    Buzzsaw, :lol: -- I see you’re still clever as ever.

    Bob, I’ll make an agreement with Tony Dungy. We can make it mandatory that all college football coaches be black, if we can get rid of Obama as President?

    Sounds like a fair trade to me. :smile:


  57. buzzsawmonkey
    57 | December 9, 2009 2:03 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    I’m giving Mr. Wolf the complete works of Kipling for Christmas!!!
    And he’s giving me a belt sander!!!

    Yowza on both counts!


  58. Bob in Breckenridge
    58 | December 9, 2009 2:03 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ davehm:
    Dungy is a good guy & as a Bears fan, I sgree with him that Lovie Smith should be coaching at some university.

    ROFLMAO, RIX! Being that I’m from Chicago, I couldn’t agree more! I hope he gets an opportunity at the college level next year, and we get a real coach, like former Steelers Bill Cowher, who wants to coach the Bears!


  59. Silhouette
    59 | December 9, 2009 2:03 pm

    I think everyone can agree that if a black person is the most qualified for the job, and doesn’t get the job, because of boosters, the AD, or whatever reason, that is not only wrong, but self-destructive when you want the best.

    But I just don’t accept as proof of racism a percentage of a race in some profession that doesn’t mirror the percentage of that race in the general public.


  60. RIX
    60 | December 9, 2009 2:03 pm

    42 Charles
    Wed, Dec 9, 2009 1:52:51pm replyquote 5downupreport

    I knew someone would try to say it was just as bad on the left when Bush was president.

    No. It wasn’t. I followed all of the worst stuff the left said about Bush, and yes, there was plenty of hatred directed at him.

    But what’s going on with the right wing is WAY beyond the worst of the left, and it’s not on the fringes. It’s the mainstream right wing doing it.

    God, he’s a tool. Just one example, on Air America they were fanaticising openly about The assasination of Bush, complete with gun shot sounds.
    Can you imagine if any of that were done about Obama?


  61. m
    61 | December 9, 2009 2:04 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    You’re welcome! It would have been quicker but right after I saw your original comment I was slammed at work.

    ~:(

    Sorry about that!


  62. buzzsawmonkey
    62 | December 9, 2009 2:04 pm

    @ Goodbye_Natalie:

    Good to see you.

    I’m afraid you may have missed some…updated carols since I don’t see you here that often.


  63. Goodbye_Natalie
    63 | December 9, 2009 2:04 pm

    Thank you M. Can’t remember where I found my Jimmy Obama, but I thought it funny when I saw it.

    I tried to initially log on as Tex Taylor and it wouldn’t let me -- so I reverted to LGF nomenclature so the browbeaten sycophants at Charlie’s know exactly who it is that is pointing fingers at them and laughing.


  64. wolfie
    64 | December 9, 2009 2:05 pm

    @ Silhouette:

    That pretty well sums it up, Sil.


  65. Dolphin
    65 | December 9, 2009 2:05 pm

    @ m:
    And I have been mostly lurking due to work and have not posted since then! Thanks again.


  66. m
    66 | December 9, 2009 2:06 pm

    @ Goodbye_Natalie:

    Works out better for everyone.

    ~:)


  67. RIX
    67 | December 9, 2009 2:06 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    ROFLMAO, RIX! Being that I’m from Chicago, I couldn’t agree more! I hope he get’s an opportunity at the college level next year, and we get a real coach, like former Steelers Bill Cowher, who wants to coach the Bears

    Now you’re talkin! And how about some offensive linemae that can block, so that Cutler doesn’t become crippled?


  68. RIX
    68 | December 9, 2009 2:07 pm

    @ RIX:
    “LINEMEN”


  69. Goodbye_Natalie
    69 | December 9, 2009 2:08 pm

    Buzz,

    We still haven’t gotten together and penned some new music. I think we could create a few hits.

    We’ve got so much new material to work with now. I could pen a hundred on Jolting Joe Biden alone.


  70. Bob in Breckenridge
    70 | December 9, 2009 2:08 pm

    @ m:

    I had a cat named Smokey. She lived to be 20 and she died in 1999. I still miss her and have a picture of her sitting under my Christmas tree on a Christmas tree ornament.


  71. buzzsawmonkey
    71 | December 9, 2009 2:10 pm

    Goodbye_Natalie wrote:

    We still haven’t gotten together and penned some new music. I think we could create a few hits.

    I saved several hundred pages of song parodies, verse, and essays before I got the Magic Boot. Damn near everything I wanted out of 45,000+ posts. And, of course, there’s been new stuff since.


  72. lobo91
    72 | December 9, 2009 2:11 pm

    OT, but breaking news:

    Democrats Reach Deal to Drop Government-Run Insurance Plan

    WASHINGTON — After days of secret talks, Senate Democrats tentatively agreed Tuesday night to drop a full-blown government-run insurance option from sweeping health care legislation, several officials said, a concession to party moderates whose votes are critical to passage of President Barack Obama’s top domestic priority.

    In its place, officials said Democrats had tentatively settled on a private insurance arrangement to be supervised by the federal agency that oversees the system through which lawmakers purchase coverage, with the possibility of greater government involvement if needed to ensure consumers of sufficient choices in coverage.

    Additionally, the emerging agreement calls for Medicare to be opened to uninsured Americans beginning at age 55

    , a significant expansion of the large government health care program that currently serves the 65-and-over population.

    So, instead of a government-run insurance program, we’re going to have contractors providing insurance under government supervision, plus adding millions of additional people to the soon-to-be-bankrupt Medicare rolls (which was, last time I checked, a government-run program).

    Do these people think we were born last night?


  73. Bob in Breckenridge
    73 | December 9, 2009 2:13 pm

    RIX wrote:

    42 Charles
    Wed, Dec 9, 2009 1:52:51pm replyquote 5downupreport
    I knew someone would try to say it was just as bad on the left when Bush was president.
    No. It wasn’t. I followed all of the worst stuff the left said about Bush, and yes, there was plenty of hatred directed at him.
    But what’s going on with the right wing is WAY beyond the worst of the left, and it’s not on the fringes. It’s the mainstream right wing doing it.
    God, he’s a tool. Just one example, on Air America they were fanaticising openly about The assasination of Bush, complete with gun shot sounds.
    Can you imagine if any of that were done about Obama?

    Chuckles is a revisionest, clueless imbecile. It wasn’t the mainstream libtards saying stuff about Bush?

    For example, oh, let’s see: Does that ponytailed asshole remember Harry Reid calling Bush a “loser” while speaking to schoolkids?

    F you, Chuckles, you pathetic POS…


  74. RIX
    74 | December 9, 2009 2:15 pm

    65 iceweasel
    Wed, Dec 9, 2009 2:02:00pm replyquote 1downupreport

    re: #62 Ben Hur

    There are truthers in congress, and until recently one working in the WH.

    That’s bullshit. Van Jones was NOT a truther, and asking reasonable questions about failures in intelligence prior to 9-11 is NOT trutherism

    She is such a freaking liar! He singned the Truther petition you stupid twit!


  75. Bob in Breckenridge
    75 | December 9, 2009 2:15 pm

    @ RIX:

    At this point I’d settle for the “Wichita Lineman”.


  76. chickadee
    76 | December 9, 2009 2:16 pm

    RIX wrote:

    42 Charles
    Wed, Dec 9, 2009 1:52:51pm replyquote 5downupreport

    I knew someone would try to say it was just as bad on the left when Bush was president.

    No. It wasn’t. I followed all of the worst stuff the left said about Bush, and yes, there was plenty of hatred directed at him.

    But what’s going on with the right wing is WAY beyond the worst of the left, and it’s not on the fringes. It’s the mainstream right wing doing it.

    God, he’s a tool. Just one example, on Air America they were fanaticising openly about The assasination of Bush, complete with gun shot sounds.
    Can you imagine if any of that were done about Obama?

    There were over a hundred books written disparaging Pres. Bush. Everything from killing him, to merciless fun making and ridicule. Also plays and movies completely ripping him apart. Bashing Pres. Bush was an industry for the left when he was POTUS and it continues today, even though he isn’t in office. ChimpyMcBushHitler.
    There is very little criticism of Zero except for his policies. The right has been very respectful considering the abuse the left delivers.
    They may point to the joker poster, but that was done by a lefty.
    CJ is a blatant liar now, just like all devious lefties.


  77. Eliana
    77 | December 9, 2009 2:17 pm

    Wow, this place is hopping! It reminds me of old times to come here to find all sorts of things have been under discussion all day!

    I love this place!!!!!


  78. Silhouette
    78 | December 9, 2009 2:18 pm

    @ lobo91:

    They couldn’t call it communism, because everyone was on to them, so they called it socialism.

    They tried socialized medicine, but then everyone was on to them, so they changed it to single payer.

    Then everyone caught on that single payer was socialized medicine, so they call it the public option.

    Now everyone caught on that the public option is socialized medicine so they will say it isn’t public at all.

    Leftists, if your ideas are so great and have historically proven themselves, then why do you have to keep changing the names and hiding what you are doing from everyone?


  79. Dolphin
    79 | December 9, 2009 2:18 pm

    @ lobo91:
    See this is where I had issues with descrying the “government” option. We should have, all along, been screaming NO! to ALL OF IT. This is the typical bait and switch and those that don’t “keep up” with all the left hand is doing will think that this is a good thing. Spit!


  80. 80 | December 9, 2009 2:20 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Obama still bashes Bush.


  81. RIX
    81 | December 9, 2009 2:20 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    Chuckles is a revisionest, clueless imbecile. It wasn’t the mainstream libtards saying stuff about Bush?

    For example, oh, let’s see: Does that ponytailed asshole remember Harry Reid calling Bush a “loser” while speaking to schoolkids?

    F you, Chuckles, you pathetic POS

    CJ & that Weasel thing are a couple of swollen hemroids.
    The truth has no meaning to either one & they are moth smear mercahnts.
    Jimmah is a jerk, but does anybody deserve to be punished with Weasel?


  82. Eliana
    82 | December 9, 2009 2:21 pm

    @ chickadee:

    CJ is a blatant liar now, just like all devious lefties.

    No kidding! Remember a few days ago -- he put up a post on 1.0 saying that he didn’t believe that “climate deniers” even existed a few years ago but the “climate deniers” are making their presence known to him now.

    Someone found one of his front page posts from TWO YEARS AGO where he was a “climate denier” himself!!

    It was hilarious, but it’s also yet another indication that CJ has become a conscienceless and ruthless liar.


  83. jakee308
    83 | December 9, 2009 2:22 pm

    This sort of thing can ruin your whole day. (read it all, it’s not what you think it is).


  84. Doppelganger
    84 | December 9, 2009 2:22 pm

    February is also the month that high school football players choose the colleges they will attend in the fall. While it’s an exciting day for those seniors, it’s a disappointing day for me. You see, many of those players who choose the top schools are African-American and yet almost none of them will get the opportunity to play for an African-American head coach.

    Coach Dungy ought to be more concerned over the fact that these kids will be used by the universities as atheletes, and the Universities make millions of dollars from football programs and that almost none of these kids will graduate.No matter what the color of their coach might be.


  85. RIX
    85 | December 9, 2009 2:23 pm

    @ chickadee:
    CJ is a blatant liar now, just like all devious lefties.

    And he is really stooooooopid! Lying & stupidity, a deadly combination.


  86. Bob in Breckenridge
    86 | December 9, 2009 2:24 pm

    @ Goodbye_Natalie:

    Works for me!


  87. Eliana
    87 | December 9, 2009 2:24 pm

    The left almost went into orbit with glee when the guy with the shoe in Iraq threw it at Bush.

    Recently, the shoe thrower himself had a shoe thrown at him in a press conference and he came out from behind the desk and almost started a brawl. He failed to see the humor in the shoe throwing business when it happened to him.

    Liberals called Bush a CHIMP for 8 years.

    No one on the right is saying anything like that about Obama.

    CJ is lying through his teeth.


  88. lobo91
    88 | December 9, 2009 2:26 pm

    @ Doppelganger:

    Coach Dungy ought to be more concerned over the fact that these kids will be used by the universities as atheletes, and the Universities make millions of dollars from football programs and that almost none of these kids will graduate.No matter what the color of their coach might be.

    I couldn’t agree more.

    I guess that makes me a racist or something.

    Oh well.


  89. Guggi
    89 | December 9, 2009 2:26 pm

    Minesotans for global warming

    Climategate Christmas


  90. 90 | December 9, 2009 2:26 pm

    @ RIX:

    What!? You show a discrepency between the claim and the truth. Ugh, I am so tired of having to rehash the same talking points. GET OFF MY BLOG.

    /channeling. :)


  91. Bob in Breckenridge
    91 | December 9, 2009 2:28 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    CJ is a blatant liar now, just like all devious lefties.
    No kidding! Remember a few days ago – he put up a post on 1.0 saying that he didn’t believe that “climate deniers” even existed a few years ago but the “climate deniers” are making their presence known to him now.
    Someone found one of his front page posts from TWO YEARS AGO where he was a “climate denier” himself!!
    It was hilarious, but it’s also yet another indication that CJ has become a conscienceless and ruthless liar.

    Liberals lie. Take it to the bank.


  92. RIX
    92 | December 9, 2009 2:28 pm

    100 iceweasel
    Wed, Dec 9, 2009 2:11:10pm replyquote 1downupreport

    Time to become a domestic iceweasel and make dinner! have fun, folks

    Damn it! Now how am I supposed to eat dinner tonihgt?


  93. Guggi
    93 | December 9, 2009 2:30 pm

    110 Charles
    Wed, Dec 9, 2009 2:17:24pm replyquote 8downupreport

    OT: I’m going to be interviewed on the Alan Colmes radio show this Friday at 7:30 pm Pacific.

    That ought to make a few more heads explode.


  94. Doppelganger
    94 | December 9, 2009 2:30 pm

    chuckles has become dan rather. a pathetic hack on the decline. his behavioral patters are almost identical to rather at the end of his career.
    his behavioral patters are probably strikingly silimar to hitler at the end


  95. lobo91
    95 | December 9, 2009 2:30 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    By the way, we already have a system where there are contractors who administer healthcare under government supervision.

    It’s called TRICARE. Combine Medicare-level reimbursments with the VA’s bureaucracy, and that’s what you end up with.


  96. 96 | December 9, 2009 2:30 pm

    feel free to laugh….tiger


  97. RIX
    97 | December 9, 2009 2:31 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Wrath, to make it authentic you need to do some name calling.
    It’s just not qualty CJ without name calling.


  98. Guggi
    98 | December 9, 2009 2:31 pm

    136 Charles
    Wed, Dec 9, 2009 2:24:32pm replyquote 0downupreport

    re: #132 amrafel

    I’m sure most of the vile comments are legit, but IIRC, Mr. Johnson once wrote about “agent provocateurs” pretending to be what they’re not, in order to discredit the site owner. (That might not be the expression Mr. Johnson used, but it’s the right sentiment.) I wish someone could estimate the percentage. This does not excuse the site owner from keeping the vile comments on the site, however.

    Oh, give me a break.


  99. 99 | December 9, 2009 2:35 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Wrath, to make it authentic you need to do some name calling.
    It’s just not qualty CJ without name calling.

    Yea…..


  100. jakee308
    100 | December 9, 2009 2:36 pm

    Ah, the citizens are logging in, I can see the slowdown in the page refresh.

    About 80% of Law Enforcement is waiting for the criminal to do something stupid. (besides the crime itself.)


  101. Ed Mahmoud
    101 | December 9, 2009 2:38 pm

    And the Nelson amendment barring Federal funding of abortion was shot down.

    The bill also mandates no more than 10%, max, admin costs and profits for health insurers.

    Backdoor to a government plan, make private insurance unprofitable.

    Enough of a fig leaf for Lieberman, apparently, which also means Snowe is almost certain to vote for it.


  102. RIX
    102 | December 9, 2009 2:39 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    @ RIX:
    At this point I’d settle for the “Wichita Lineman”.

    Agreed, but I have further bad news. It is being discussed in the Chicago Media that Charlie Weiss might join the Bears as Offensive Coordinator.
    Weiss & Locvie, truly the End of Days


  103. RIX
    103 | December 9, 2009 2:39 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    @ RIX:
    At this point I’d settle for the “Wichita Lineman”.

    Agreed, but I have further bad news. It is being discussed in the Chicago Media that Charlie Weiss might join the Bears as Offensive Coordinator.
    Weiss & Locvie, truly the End of Days


  104. Guggi
    104 | December 9, 2009 2:42 pm

    Picking out the UHI in climatic temperature records – so easy a 6th grader can do it!

    The Urban Heat Island effect on temperature records is real, despite what some people wish you to believe. Peter, a sixth grader, and his dad, thought so too, and take the data from NASA GISS and show in a simple video, what we’ve been saying for years here at WUWT. Urbanization, land use, and station siting matter. (source: WUWT)


  105. shadowman
    105 | December 9, 2009 2:44 pm

    @ Eliana:

    It was hilarious, but it’s also yet another indication that CJ has become a conscienceless and ruthless liar.

    He’s been that for some time now.


  106. Guggi
    106 | December 9, 2009 2:45 pm

    linky


  107. 107 | December 9, 2009 2:45 pm

    Get a fat load of this!

    426 Charles
    Wed, Dec 2, 2009 12:01:18pm replyquote 8downupreport

    Iron Fist’s 26,000 comments are now nuked. Maybe now people will stop using his deranged ravings to smear me.

    And this!

    34 Charles
    Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:55:33am replyquote 3downupreport

    Call out to LGF readers: please link to any extremist Hot Air comments (they’re everywhere — it’s become an outright hate site), and I’ll hat tip you when I write the post if I use them.
    The permalink to comments is the blue timestamp at bottom right, following the commenter’s name.

    Kids, time to amp up the pressure on that punkass CJ.


  108. RIX
    108 | December 9, 2009 2:49 pm

    CJ is now really schilling his Friday radio interview with Alan Colmes.
    “Isn’t that spcial? My Charles we like ourselves don’t we”
    Church Lady


  109. RIX
    109 | December 9, 2009 2:51 pm

    Later gators. Have a great evening.


  110. RIX
    110 | December 9, 2009 2:51 pm

    Later gators. Have a great evening.


  111. 111 | December 9, 2009 2:53 pm

    @ savage:

    The Loozard King can be as crazy as he wants to be. I’m not sure why that bothers anyone here. As for “proving” his lunacy, I think we are well past that point.

    If anyone is going to be combing through LGF’s comments, I would be much more interested in those comments from the 4 whoresmen which consistently berate, insult, and talk down to the other “loozards”.


  112. Russkilitlover
    112 | December 9, 2009 2:55 pm

    @ savage:

    KKKilbore Trout to rush over there and post ACTUAL hate speech in 3..2..1..


  113. shadowman
    113 | December 9, 2009 2:57 pm

    @ RIX:

    C.J and Alan Colmes tweet one another,how nice.

    That reminds me,does anyone consider this pedophilia,not sure what to make of it?

    ‘Consenting’ ?

    http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5823/lgfabortion.jpg


  114. Ed Mahmoud
    114 | December 9, 2009 2:57 pm

    Some kids use their football scholarships for the four year minor league program the NFL doesn’t have, and some will play football and get real majors. Ndamakong Suh, son of immigrants (bonus, Mom is a school teacher) will graduate this Spring from Nebraska with a degree in Construction Management. A real degree. He will probably also go in the top 5 in the draft. Most of the bigger football schools have some blow off majors, like Parks and Recreation Management, or Kinesiology, for the players looking for a football farm system.

    Miami, BTW, not only hired a Black head coach (by former HRC possible gal-pal Donna Shalala, in a rare wise move), who booted the star quarterback (a white kid) off the team for cutting classes, and who is winning more games than he is losing while imposing some standards. Not the same old criminal “U” of the Jimmy Johnson era.

    Notre Dame has a hard time competing because they have high school GPA requirements above the NCAA minimums, and don’t have special blowoff majors for football players. Rice here in Houston plays bowl division football, with real student athletes. They even went to a bowl last year. This year, not so much. Navy and Air Force (and Army, if they win the Army-Navy game) will all go to bowl games with real student athletes.

    A Stanford or Northwestern or Rice can have a good recruiting year, and content for a conference title, even with academic standards, and the schools with somewhat looser standards, like Nebraska, can land a star athlete who also really wants to earn a degree, but blaming the colleges for offering football scholarships to people lucky to graduate high school is a little unfair, as the player can choose to get an education if he chooses, and if not he can hone his skills and hope he is lucky enough to get drafted.

    Men’s football, and men’s basketball, as a rule, are the only money making sports (Texas women’s hoops was a rare exception when I was there, may still make a small profit, and I think baseball did ok), and generally pays for the boutique scholarship sports like wrestling, volleyball, gymnastics, track, golf and swimming, that also offer scholarship opportunities to men and women. Title IX requires women’s sports receive equal funding.

    So any woman on scholarship at any big basketball or football school should be thanking the football and roundball teams.

    I took the wife and kids to my wife’s alma mater, UH, for two good games. No bad seats at Robertson Stadium. 10-2 regular season. Head coach, hired for his resume as an Oklahoma assistant, just happens to be Black. Just by coincidence, both Cougar regular season losses were to teams, UT El Paso and Central Florida, that Texas whupped up on.


  115. chickadee
    115 | December 9, 2009 2:58 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    CJ is a blatant liar now, just like all devious lefties.

    No kidding! Remember a few days ago – he put up a post on 1.0 saying that he didn’t believe that “climate deniers” even existed a few years ago but the “climate deniers” are making their presence known to him now.

    Someone found one of his front page posts from TWO YEARS AGO where he was a “climate denier” himself!!

    It was hilarious, but it’s also yet another indication that CJ has become a conscienceless and ruthless liar.

    That kind of lying is schizophrenic. Did you hear the crazy algore today? He said the most recent Climategate material released is from 10 YEARS AGO, so none of it matters. LOL. There are e-mails from November, just a afew wks. ago. He is such a bastard.
    I don’t believe a thing that crawls out of a lib’s lie hole.


  116. song_and_dance_man
    116 | December 9, 2009 2:59 pm

    @ savage:

    The Stalker in chief sending out his minions to do deeds he claims others are doing to him. He is blinded by hypocrisy.

    And Iron Fist, welcome to the Deleted Comment Club. That makes 3 of us, that I’m aware of.


  117. bar
    117 | December 9, 2009 3:01 pm

    Gordon Brown attacks ‘flat-earth’ climate change sceptics.

    Gordon Brown tonight led a chorus of condemnation against “flat-earth” climate change sceptics who have tried to derail the Copenhagen summit by casting doubt on the evidence for global warming.

    Cool, I just loves being called a racist knuckle-dragging flat-earther, it’s the only time I know I am right.


  118. GrandJunctionite
    118 | December 9, 2009 3:02 pm

    RIX wrote:

    CJ is now really schilling his Friday radio interview with Alan Colmes.
    “Isn’t that spcial? My Charles we like ourselves don’t we”
    Church Lady

    When I think of selrahC on Colmes show, the only words that come to mind are “Useful Idiot”.


  119. mawskrat
    119 | December 9, 2009 3:03 pm

    @ Eliana:
    when you have to tell lies to cover lies your pretty much screwed


  120. song_and_dance_man
    120 | December 9, 2009 3:08 pm

    Who the heck listens to the Colmes show anyway? Besides Cj that is.


  121. Doppelganger
    121 | December 9, 2009 3:09 pm

    Alan Colmes interviewing Chuckles does not mean that Chuckles has ” made it”

    No, it’s more a sad indicator of just how much Colmes’ career has tanked since he left Hannity’s show


  122. BBEV
    122 | December 9, 2009 3:12 pm

    savage wrote:

    Get a fat load of this!
    426 Charles
    Wed, Dec 2, 2009 12:01:18pm replyquote 8downupreport
    Iron Fist’s 26,000 comments are now nuked. Maybe now people will stop using his deranged ravings to smear me.
    And this!
    34 Charles
    Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:55:33am replyquote 3downupreport
    Call out to LGF readers: please link to any extremist Hot Air comments (they’re everywhere — it’s become an outright hate site), and I’ll hat tip you when I write the post if I use them.
    The permalink to comments is the blue timestamp at bottom right, following the commenter’s name.
    Kids, time to amp up the pressure on that punkass CJ.

    Savage I have to wonder if it is even Charles any more he has gone so far over the edge that one has to wonder. That being said I say ramp it up.


  123. 123 | December 9, 2009 3:21 pm

    @ jakee308:
    Odd, very odd.


  124. Geogrunt
    124 | December 9, 2009 3:24 pm

    In my experince, the biggest rascists I ever met were black females. God help the poor private who had to go to finance to try and square away his fucked up paycheck, only to be hassled by some arrogant rascist black female sp/4. he wouldn’t get paid for months!

    My other experience was that Black males got all the first choices for schools and promotions, it happened all the time in all the units I served in. Affirmative action was out of control in the Army of the 80′s early 90′s. And if a black soldier fucked up, he was almost always given a pass, if not once, but I saw several occasions where black troops did NOT get punished for offenses white soldiers were routinely thrown the book at. It made me sick and jaded.


  125. Guggi
    125 | December 9, 2009 3:25 pm

    Has CJ found the smoking gun to become “anti-Israel” ?

    327 Charles
    Wed, Dec 9, 2009 3:18:34pm replyquote 0downupreport

    Tel-Chai Nation: Thoughts on a now awful man running a site called ‘LGF’


  126. manforallseasons
    126 | December 9, 2009 3:34 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    Someone found one of his front page posts from TWO YEARS AGO where he was a “climate denier” himself!!

    Can you post the link?


  127. song_and_dance_man
    127 | December 9, 2009 3:37 pm

    manforallseasons wrote:

    Eliana wrote:
    @ chickadee:
    Someone found one of his front page posts from TWO YEARS AGO where he was a “climate denier” himself!!

    Can you post the link?

    Here


  128. manforallseasons
    128 | December 9, 2009 3:39 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Wow.


  129. BBEV
    130 | December 9, 2009 3:44 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    manforallseasons wrote:
    Eliana wrote:
    @ chickadee:
    Someone found one of his front page posts from TWO YEARS AGO where he was a “climate denier” himself!!
    Can you post the link?
    Here

    Well there it is.


  130. Guggi
    131 | December 9, 2009 3:44 pm

    Or with that:

    Y2K Bug Drastically Changes US Climate Data
    Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 10:38:56 am PDT

    According to the DailyTech blog, the NASA temperature data used to estimate the advance of global warming has been shown to be way off the mark, due to a Y2K bug in the graphing software—and the corrected charts tell a very different story: Blogger Finds Y2K Bug in NASA Climate Data.

    (cache)


  131. Guggi
    132 | December 9, 2009 3:48 pm

    or this one:

    Global Warming Consensus: An Illusion?
    Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 8:56:49 am PST

    There’s an eye-opening report today at the web site of the US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works: U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007.

    (cache)


  132. song_and_dance_man
    133 | December 9, 2009 3:50 pm

    manforallseasons wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Wow.

    Oh it gets even better than that regarding the hypocrisy of Charles Foster Johnson -- avowed Evolutionists and suspected God denier. If you recall Foster would not allow the Climategate emails, nor links to them, to be posted on his blog because they were obtained unethically and Foster claimed some sort of virtue that was above it.

    Well here is a post from around the same time as the Climate Entry I just linked to.

    241 Charles12/20/2007 4:49:55 pm PST

    re: #226 uptight
    BTW – in terms of information security, the EXIF data was nothing compared to this open “images” folder
    anyone got a half hour to go through it?

    Whoa. Get on this one now, lizards. This hole won’t be open long.

    There is Charles Foster Johnson encouraging the Lizards to go and steal files from Stormfront through a hole that was discovered at their site. I remember this night and Charles himself was lifting files that night with the rest of us.


  133. BBEV
    134 | December 9, 2009 4:14 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    I don’t get it. WTF happened to this guy. We use to always Pick apart and try and find the truth. I just don’t get what happened.


  134. song_and_dance_man
    135 | December 9, 2009 4:15 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Those are all good links providing more proof of 1.0′s charlatan ways.


  135. song_and_dance_man
    136 | December 9, 2009 4:22 pm

    BBEV wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    I don’t get it. WTF happened to this guy. We use to always Pick apart and try and find the truth. I just don’t get what happened.

    It’s bad old fashioned dishonesty. When one practices it, it tends to permeate ones character completely. For instance, that comment of Foster I just posted; he had no problem with hijacking another site because his criticism of Stormfront allowed it. He is now claiming to be above that kind of behavior only because the context of the Climategate emails disrupts his world view, and had nothing to do with the fact they were leaked or pilfered, but more to do with the fact they refute a lot of the arguments he has advanced that got tanked by the revelation of the emails, and he is simply being dishonest about his virtuous intentions involving them.


  136. song_and_dance_man
    137 | December 9, 2009 4:25 pm

    BBEV wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    I don’t get it. WTF happened to this guy. We use to always Pick apart and try and find the truth. I just don’t get what happened.

    The once premier ‘fact check you ass’ site has now become the lowly ‘is my ass OK for you’ site.


  137. BBEV
    138 | December 9, 2009 4:38 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    BBEV wrote:
    @ song_and_dance_man:
    I don’t get it. WTF happened to this guy. We use to always Pick apart and try and find the truth. I just don’t get what happened.
    The once premier ‘fact check you ass’ site has now become the lowly ‘is my ass OK for you’ site.

    So that was then and we are now


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