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Britain’s Persecution of Christians

by Rodan ( 141 Comments › )
Filed under Dhimmitude, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Liberal Fascism, Progressives, Tranzis at December 14th, 2009 - 4:34 pm

The once great nation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain has become hostile to Christianity. Islamo-Imperialist Colonials are treated as overlords and their so called religion is treated with respect. Jews are also under the gun as Anti-Semitism under the guise of Anti-Zionism. Make no mistake the Tranzi Progressives have the Judeo-Christian faiths under siege in the UK.

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, comes in for a lot of stick – not least from columnists like me.

But in the past few days, he has said something important. He has criticised Government ministers for thinking that Christian beliefs are no longer relevant in modern Britain, and for looking at religion as a ‘problem’.

Many Government faith initiatives, he observed, assumed that religion was an eccentricity practised by oddballs, foreigners and minorities.

Melanie Phillips totally gets it. The Elitist Progressives view Christianity as archaic and not fit for their new society. The fact is Christians and Jews are under siege from Progressives and their Imperialist allies. The UK is what America could like if we don’t defeat the Progressive agenda. Christians will be persecuted in their own nation and then it will be the turn of the Jews as well. That is the agenda of the International Left.
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  1. snork
    1 | December 14, 2009 16:52

    Melanie Phillips totally gets it.

    That’s to be assumed.


  2. 2 | December 14, 2009 16:54

    @ snork:

    Never assume, man. Not ever.


  3. buzzsawmonkey
    3 | December 14, 2009 16:54

    Until very recently in the West–and still, in most of the rest of the world–life was extremely difficult. Most of us grew up without having to do things which were commonplace a few decades ago, such as drag in coal or chop wood for the furnace, pump water, boil and pound clothing to get it nominally clean, etc. Our lives have become astonishingly easy compared with what life was, even in this country, merely three-quarters of a century ago.

    For most of human history, therefore, life consisted very largely of duty–of performing necessary but dreary, unpleasant, and phyiscally demanding tasks merely in order to maintain a nominally pleasant life for the rest of the time.

    Religion played a large part in reconciling people to the performance of duty, elevating duty from mere drudgery to something with a higher plane.
    So…having obtained a default level of ease undreamed-of by our grandparents in their youth, can we afford to dispense with the religious belief that helped reconcile them to their duty, and that elevated that duty?

    No. For several reasons. First, because we need the austerity of duty to elevate ourselves, and without something that calls us to duty–as religion does–we are all too ready to slough that austerity in favor of the pleasures of the moment. Second, because it is only by having accustomed ourselves to such austerity that we will be able to call upon it should our comforts which make that austerity seem so unnecessary suddenly cease. We need to keep the habit against the possibility of future misfortune.

    Third, and most important, we need religion to keep an intelligent brake upon the impulse to duty spun madly out of control. The history of the 20th century is largely the history of our society progressively trying to slough the restrictions of religion as mere creature comforts seemed to make those restrictions seem irrelevant and unnecessary. The sneering chuckles over “puritanism” and the like by pundits like Mencken and Bierce were the battle-cry of secularists trying to throw off the dead hand of duty, and the religion which bolstered it, as something belonging to a dead age.

    But the impulse to puritanism did not die with the fading of stringent religious practice. We see it in the grim eco-nuts and global warmists, who would quash indulgence and merriment in the name of a Higher Cause, and would do so without stint or limit because they have no doctrine other than their own bottomless anger to guide them.


  4. 4 | December 14, 2009 16:58

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Well said. A trifle long said, but that may not have been helped. We do, indeed, live with the riches undrempt of by kings, even the poorest of us.

    That probably won’t last.


  5. snork
    5 | December 14, 2009 17:00

    @ Iron Fist:

    What I was getting at is that I have yet to see a Phillips piece that wasn’t bang-on and brilliant. She’s up there with Steyn and VDH.


  6. buzzsawmonkey
    6 | December 14, 2009 17:01

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Well said. A trifle long said, but that may not have been helped.

    Sometimes, you just have to give the words room. But thanks!


  7. 7 | December 14, 2009 17:07

    @ snork:

    She is. No doubt about that. I have just learned that even the closest seeming ally can turn like a snake. I’m not long on trust. Just the facts of my life. I don’t mean to disparrage your own.


  8. snork
    8 | December 14, 2009 17:07

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Which means that the eco-nuts are right. We need the poverty of a subsistence life in order to not become haughty. Tax us, Please! We’re too rich!


  9. 9 | December 14, 2009 17:09

    @ snork:

    See! I spoke of treason, and now you want to tax me…

    :mrgreen:


  10. jeppo
    10 | December 14, 2009 17:10

    In the same vein, Britain, Islam and Christianity, How Islam Beheads Democracy


  11. Et Norsk Troll
    11 | December 14, 2009 17:10

    The Jews will get it first….followed by the Christians…followed by the Atheists…followed by the Homosexuals…followed by those who are not deemed “Islamic” enough.

    The writing is on the door.
    Only thing left to do is to step through it…

    One consolation that I have is that those who hate the Jews and did nothing to stop this train wreck will be thrown under the steel wheels at some time in the future.

    I may or may not get to see it.

    Doesn’t matter, really.

    It will happen…and I know it.

    ~Norsk Troll


  12. buzzsawmonkey
    12 | December 14, 2009 17:13

    snork wrote:

    Which means that the eco-nuts are right. We need the poverty of a subsistence life in order to not become haughty. Tax us, Please! We’re too rich!

    On the contrary: my point is that the eco-nuts are exemplars of the impulse to duty (which is a necessary part of the human makeup) run riot and out of control. The impulse to secularism rejected the puritanism of religion, but it did not reject puritanism—and puritanism uncontrolled is a malign and destructive impulse.


  13. 13 | December 14, 2009 17:13

    @ Et Norsk Troll:

    Buy a gun. If you really mean it, buy two. They may come for us. We can’t stop that. But we can decide how we receive them.


  14. 14 | December 14, 2009 17:14

    @ snork:

    No question about it. All 3 have been thrown under the bus by Art Bell Jr.


  15. 15 | December 14, 2009 17:15

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree, plus I believ most of the US will resist the Progressive-Imperialist alliance.


  16. 16 | December 14, 2009 17:16

    Makes me wonder if there is any truth to the rumor that Prince Charles converted to islam


  17. 17 | December 14, 2009 17:17

    @ Rodan:
    I think we will. Right now you can get guns again, but ammunition is still very dear. We are arming ourselves against the coming enemy. The Democrats realize this, and have dropped gun control as an imperitive. That is good, but we still have to be prepared against them.


  18. Empire1
    18 | December 14, 2009 17:17

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Hmm. Interesting thesis, and quite accurate, but I think you underestimate the drudgery a lot of people here and now still go through. Granted, it’s far less physically demanding in the overwhelming majority of cases, but anyone who has to go in, day in and day out, to a boring and often disliked job is just as much duty-bound as any medieval peasant.

    I’ve actually done much of what you describe, and in some ways it’s more satisfying than current-day “easy” office work. For instance, splitting firewood results in a nice neat woodpile I could take pride in, and know it’d keep us warm on cold, miserable days (even if I had to go out and get it in that nasty weather!). Doing an equally boring job of, say, word processing didn’t give me anything to show for it except maybe a large computer file … pixels on a screen.

    There’s a reason, you know, that people do hand-work even when they can go out and buy something approximanely equivalent. Any crafter, gardener, home-brewer, etc. knows that satisfaction, or they wouldn’t do it. Some even know that such skills may well be needed again soon … and will transfer, possibly scaled up.


  19. 19 | December 14, 2009 17:19

    Remember, it is ok to trash Christians….. they believe in moral lives, personal responsibility, a loving God and, in many cases, Creation…..

    Since christians don’t behead when mocked, it is ok to trash christians.

    Oh well, good thing my treasure isn’t stored up here.


  20. 20 | December 14, 2009 17:19

    Mass, global agreement to deport muslims to their Homeland, where they really do belong. They are unable to adapt to the Western nations they moved to (to conquer). Send them home before its too late.


  21. Et Norsk Troll
    21 | December 14, 2009 17:19

    @ Iron Fist:

    I may have intimated something I didn’t mean to imply (i.e. misstated myself):

    I have no desire to see harm or hurt come to others…I was simply stating my confidence in God and His Righteousness and His SURE justice.

    Not one of these deceivers, cowards and/or killers will escape Judgment.

    No, not one.

    Not one.

    ~Norsk Troll


  22. 22 | December 14, 2009 17:21

    @ Empire1:

    When I was a kid I’d split wood just to swing an axe. You are right that there is a satisfaction there that even well done office work doesn’t provide. I am, for example, a software developer. At one time I looked at a blacksmith’s trade and welding after that, and there was a satisfaction from working in steel that isn’t provided by working in pixels.


  23. 23 | December 14, 2009 17:22

    @ teacake:

    No dispute from me on that.


  24. 24 | December 14, 2009 17:24

    @ Rodan:
    Wouldn’t that be a dream come true.


  25. RIX
    25 | December 14, 2009 17:26

    @ LanceKates:
    Since christians don’t behead when mocked, it is ok to trash christians

    Any and all transgressions historically in the name of Christianity run counter to the New Testament.
    The Crusades? Western Christianity pushing back against Islamic terror, even then.


  26. snork
    26 | December 14, 2009 17:28

    Empire1 wrote:

    There’s a reason, you know, that people do hand-work even when they can go out and buy something approximanely equivalent.

    Which leads to a question that I’ve been trying to answer, and can’t. Are we becoming more DIY, or less? On the one hand, the rise of the home improvement box stores indicates that there’s some sort of frustrated need for homo officus (the office worker) to do something with his hands. It rarely pays to DIY, often you just end up having to hire a real contractor unscrew it. On the other hand, a lot of things that we used to repair, and in some cases build from kits (i.e. Heathkit), we buy in a box, use, and then throw away because the stuff from Asia is cheap and reliable.

    I don’t know which way we’re headed in this regard, but in general, repair is becoming a lost art. And as more and more of us get herded into cubicles, and then return home to nothing but gizmos that work until the drop, maybe there’s some frustrated need that goes unmet. And when frustrated needs go unmet, usually bad things happen.


  27. 27 | December 14, 2009 17:29

    @ RIX:

    People forget how old this threat is…. Hell, the US Marines were formed to fight the barbary pirates, and they weren’t exactly the Amish.


  28. 28 | December 14, 2009 17:30

    @ RIX:


    The Crusades? Western Christianity pushing back against Islamic terror, even then.

    Yup and the Spanish Reconquista as well. It was a Latin resistance to Islamic occupation.


  29. 29 | December 14, 2009 17:30

    @ teacake:

    It’s happen before.


  30. 30 | December 14, 2009 17:31

    Excellent, Rodan. I was going to blog this one next. I’ll just link to you instead.


  31. 31 | December 14, 2009 17:32

    @ snork:
    It is a hybrid.

    We fix stuff less and buy new/remodel more.

    DIY used to mean that you’d fix your faucet or repair a fence in the backyard or repair a leaking roof.

    Nowdays it means buy new stuff and toss out the old.

    It is closer to the old diy to hire someone to fix your stuff than to buy new stuff and you personally throw out the old stuff.


  32. buzzsawmonkey
    32 | December 14, 2009 17:32

    @ Empire1:

    I agree with you; I didn’t address the points you raise partly for reasons of length and partly because I wanted to emphasize, in line with the article at the top of the thread, that religion served—and continues to serve—to elevate what may be onerous tasks to something above themselves.

    Certainly, there is satisfaction in a job well done—especially a physical job. But it is often necessary to jump-start the impulse to begin the task, and it is there that the call to duty kicks in.


  33. Empire1
    33 | December 14, 2009 17:32

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    When I was a kid I’d split wood just to swing an axe. You are right that there is a satisfaction there that even well done office work doesn’t provide. I am, for example, a software developer. At one time I looked at a blacksmith’s trade and welding after that, and there was a satisfaction from working in steel that isn’t provided by working in pixels.

    You understand completely, then. :) For most of my paid-work life, I was in an office environment, mostly secretarial or accounting type stuff, and eithe bored or frustrated out of my mind. I did it well, and made enough money to live on (not terribly well, but in moderate comfort), but it was all because it was necessary for me and my family.

    But during that and afterward, I picked up older and more satisfying skills. I can spin yarn, weave, brew beer and wine, do basic carpentry, rebuild a car engine, dig and line a fishpond (well, I could ten years ago; the back might not cooperate now), and butcher a duck or a deer. I’d make out okay if I had to, just as you (and I’m sure many others here) would.


  34. RIX
    34 | December 14, 2009 17:32

    LanceKates wrote:

    @ RIX:
    People forget how old this threat is…. Hell, the US Marines were formed to fight the barbary pirates, and they weren’t exactly the Amish.

    The ambassador from tripoli told Franklin & Jefferson at the Court of St. James that the whole Barbary Pirate thing was “jihad”
    That’s why Jefferson bought a Koran, to understand the enemy.


  35. 35 | December 14, 2009 17:36

    @ Empire1:

    I am a fighter, and Warrior is really the oldest profession there is. You know exactly what I mean. It is nice to meet a kindred spirit :-)


  36. orangecrush
    36 | December 14, 2009 17:38

    Muslims should be asked to convert to a more civil religion.


  37. RIX
    37 | December 14, 2009 17:42

    @ Rodan:
    Yup and the Spanish Reconquista as well. It was a Latin resistance to Islamic occupation.

    In many madrass schools they still teach that Spain must be regained.
    They covet Al Andalusia.
    Even in hard core Islamic circles , three Infidels are respected, Charles Martel, El Cid & Richard the Lionheart.
    What these three have in common is they kicked some serious ass.


  38. 38 | December 14, 2009 17:42

    @ orangecrush:

    Perhaps… Satanism!


  39. 39 | December 14, 2009 17:45

    @ Jesusland:

    Thanks!


  40. 40 | December 14, 2009 17:46

    @ RIX:

    Also Leo The Isuarian, he repelled the Arab Attack on Constantinople in 717.


  41. Dolphin
    41 | December 14, 2009 17:46

    @ snork:
    Hubby and I replaced our own water heater a week or so ago and the weekend after Thanksgiving processed a deer on our own (not the first time). It may take some time, but I will do it myself if at all possible!


  42. 42 | December 14, 2009 17:47

    @ Dolphin:

    People poke fun at the Amish, but they’ll do ok regardless of our economy.

    self-sufficiency and discipline.


  43. Empire1
    43 | December 14, 2009 17:49

    snork wrote:

    Empire1 wrote:
    There’s a reason, you know, that people do hand-work even when they can go out and buy something approximanely equivalent.
    Which leads to a question that I’ve been trying to answer, and can’t. Are we becoming more DIY, or less? On the one hand, the rise of the home improvement box stores indicates that there’s some sort of frustrated need for homo officus (the office worker) to do something with his hands. It rarely pays to DIY,

    Yeah. Even without the expense of bringing someone in to fix your goofs, it’s often more expensive to get into one of the productive crafts than it is to buy, unless you stick to it for a while. On the other hand, you can make something exactly the way you want it, rather than having to settle for what you can find. My office/shop bookcases, for example, fit the room … and the curtains I’m Swedish-weaving on monks-cloth will match the rest of the decor as store-bought couldn’t.

    Ah, and Heathkit … memories, memories! I built more of those than I can remember, and loved them.

    I don’t know which way we’re headed in this regard, but in general, repair is becoming a lost art. And as more and more of us get herded into cubicles, and then return home to nothing but gizmos that work until the drop, …

    For one thing, repair these days is close to impossible, at least at a reasonable price. Change a tube or fix a cold solder joint? Huh? ICs render both of those totally impossible. You might be able to replace the IC, but that takes specialized equipment and trained people … mostly cheaper just to buy new.

    maybe there’s some frustrated need that goes unmet. And when frustrated needs go unmet, usually bad things happen.

    Oh, yes! Ever read Hoffer’s The True Believer?


  44. RIX
    44 | December 14, 2009 17:50

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Also Leo The Isuarian, he repelled the Arab Attack on Constantinople in 717.

    Add a fourth. the point is that there is a Nihilist streak in Islam.
    They push as far as they can & without resistence they just continue.
    When met with strong push back, the Jihad goes dormant, that has been the history.


  45. Dolphin
    45 | December 14, 2009 17:55

    @ LanceKates:
    And I agree with the poster above – there is something very gratifying seeing the results of your effort!

    Growing up my mom taught me how to can, cook, bake etc. I never had a spring break or sumer break. We did take family vacations, but those were often painting Gandmas house etc.


  46. Empire1
    46 | December 14, 2009 17:56

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    I am a fighter, and Warrior is really the oldest profession there is. You know exactly what I mean. It is nice to meet a kindred spirit

    Indeed it is! I got that feeling from you over at the other place, but here, it’s a lot clearer. I’m not too good at unarmed or knife, but as long as I’ve got a gun, I can handle your six. I wonder if I can adopt you as an honorary Marine, ’cause I think you’d have been a great one.


  47. RIX
    47 | December 14, 2009 17:57

    Time for a cigar & an adult beverage on the deck. a little cold out there, but hey.
    Good night all.


  48. 48 | December 14, 2009 18:01

    @ Empire1:

    I should have been a Marine. I’d let you adopt me as an honory one, but I am not worthy. I’ve worked with the Marines, but I’m not one.

    I would have been a good one. If I had it to do over again, I’d do Marine Scout/Sniper. I’d have been good at it.

    I am good with a knife. Very good. Good enough to watch good people make mistakes, and know where they screwed up.

    And that is pretty good :-)


  49. m
    49 | December 14, 2009 18:02

    Good night Rix! (wha? no snuggie? … i keeed)


  50. snork
    50 | December 14, 2009 18:06

    @ Empire1:

    And that’s not even getting into auto mechanics. Ever since the computers went into the cars, you need to high a witch doctor to shut the stupid “check engine” light off. You get a code that says that MAP pressure sensor is wrong, and it turns out to be a flywheel pickup or something like that.

    when we can’t work on out own cars, we’ve lost something. Now imagine if Aaaaanold gets his way, and we have hydrogen powered cars. Do you want your next-door neighbor working on one of those in his garage?


  51. 51 | December 14, 2009 18:07

    @ m:

    {M}


  52. mfhorn
    52 | December 14, 2009 18:14

    If Christians/Jews were out in the streets with signs calling for beheading of anyone who mocked Christianity/Judaism, police would be out in force & the news would be filled with stories about the hatred & intolerance for WEEKS.

    Muslims seem to be given a pass.


  53. 53 | December 14, 2009 18:14

    @ snork:

    I’ve burned hydrogen.

    I WHOLLY oppose hydrogen cars as there is no viable way to crack water into hydrogen and oxygen just before it enters the engine.

    What you’re left with is a tank of hydrogen.

    Car fires lead to mild explosions in which people in the car may die, and those around it will get hurt.

    Hydrogen explosions leave a crater.

    Now, you can use aluminum discs in water, with some lye to eat away at the aluminum oxide, so the aluminum reacts with the water. That will chemically produce hydrogen, but then you can’t exactly shut that off…. plus aluminum can get kind of violently reactive during that process.

    I still push for oodles of nuclear reactors and work on ways to increase the viability of fully electric cars. either that or let’s start using more natural gas or even compressed air.

    Also start drilling everywhere we can find oil, because gasoline cars are not going away and we use oil for so much more than cars anyway.


  54. Empire1
    54 | December 14, 2009 18:15

    @ Iron Fist:
    You make me get teary, IF … because, despite getting growled by a Gunny and a MSgt here, I can’t feel like I was a real Marine myself, despite the fact that I was as good a one as a woman was allowed to be in the early 1960s. Hells, they wouldn’t even let us shoot a rifle! (I felt cheated … ). But I really was, and a good one, even though I was an office type.

    Since you’re properly honorable, let me just put it this way. I would claim you as a blother in arms quite happily. We can spit on that disgrace to the Corps called M****a together, okay?


  55. 55 | December 14, 2009 18:16

    mfhorn wrote:

    If Christians/Jews were out in the streets with signs calling for beheading of anyone who mocked Christianity/Judaism, police would be out in force & the news would be filled with stories about the hatred & intolerance for WEEKS.
    Muslims seem to be given a pass.

    We can’t even protest abortions without being compared to doctor killers.


  56. coldwarrior
    56 | December 14, 2009 18:18

    mfhorn wrote:

    If Christians/Jews were out in the streets with signs calling for beheading of anyone who mocked Christianity/Judaism, police would be out in force & the news would be filled with stories about the hatred & intolerance for WEEKS.
    Muslims seem to be given a pass.

    mayhaps because the progressives and the media dont hold the muzzies to a high standard…perhaps they are seen by the proggies as the noble savage, never expected to be civilized, always seething with ancient hatred and beliefs.


  57. snork
    57 | December 14, 2009 18:19

    And I don’t know if I want Elmer the shade-tree mechanic working on an electric anywhere with a mile, either. A wrench dropped across the battery terminals can be very colorful.


  58. Empire1
    58 | December 14, 2009 18:20

    snork wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    And that’s not even getting into auto mechanics. Ever since the computers went into the cars, you need to high a witch doctor to shut the stupid “check engine” light off. You get a code that says that MAP pressure sensor is wrong, and it turns out to be a flywheel pickup or something like that.
    when we can’t work on out own cars, we’ve lost something. Now imagine if Aaaaanold gets his way, and we have hydrogen powered cars. Do you want your next-door neighbor working on one of those in his garage?

    There’s a good reason we have a ’79 station wagon … we can, and have, done a complete engine rebuild on it, and it passes emissions better than most new cars. The “new” car is a ’91, and still mostly home-repairable … but anything new? Or the electric or hydrogen powered ones? I don’t want to be anywhere near anyone but a pro working on those things.


  59. Abu Bin Squid
    59 | December 14, 2009 18:20

    @ Et Norsk Troll:
    Just getting to the thread. I agree. My first thought was, in Britain the Jews would be first to go. Then the cafeteria Christians, then……

    If only the Soccer thugs would take a disliking to the onslaught of “immigrants” in their homeland.

    Sigh.


  60. mfhorn
    60 | December 14, 2009 18:21

    @ LanceKates:

    Exactly. Yes, there HAVE (tragically) been murders of abortion doctors. And I’d love to be on one of those juries.

    Those people, though, are NOT acting even remotely like Christ would. There’s NO equivalent in the New Testament of a ‘verse of the sword’ found in the Koran. Both Christ & Paul called on us to ‘shake the dust from your cloaks’ as a testimony against anyone who rejected their teachings.


  61. 61 | December 14, 2009 18:21

    @ Empire1:

    Sister in arms. When I was 17 I worked as a civilian attached to the local Marine Corp Ready Reserve tank platoon. I mostly did paperwork so the real Marines could do their jobs without the bother. I did get to see our M-60 Main Battle Tanks fire. Awesome! And I had a lance corpral take me under her wing. She used to call me her little brother. They let them shoot their rifles. By that time, we were back to every Marine was a rifleman, and that included woman Marines.


  62. 62 | December 14, 2009 18:22

    @ coldwarrior:

    I don’t know….. I think they just fear the muslims and, like the french, only attack those they know won’t fight back?


  63. Empire1
    63 | December 14, 2009 18:23

    Hmm … Snork made me think of this. For survival/comfort in relatively low tech, get an older car with a manual transmission. You can push-start manuals, unlike automatics!


  64. Truck Monkey
    64 | December 14, 2009 18:24

    The sun truly is setting on the British empire. How far and fast they have fallen should be a cautionary tale to us.


  65. 65 | December 14, 2009 18:25

    @ coldwarrior:

    The Noble savage!


  66. 66 | December 14, 2009 18:26

    Empire1 wrote:

    Hmm … Snork made me think of this. For survival/comfort in relatively low tech, get an older car with a manual transmission. You can push-start manuals, unlike automatics!

    I’m not too good with those. I keep WANTING to get one (specifically a Jeep wrangler, but not the new ones.)

    I tried to drive a friend’s manual transmission car, they tried to teach me. Bless them for their patience. I just couldn’t get a hang of it. I understood the theory, but couldn’t pull it off. Maybe with time and practice. heh.

    I can ride my motorcycle though, so I’m content. (well, not so content now, too cold to ride)


  67. mjazz
    67 | December 14, 2009 18:27

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    My Mom was happy when they got a water pump inside the house instead of having to pump it outside.


  68. snork
    68 | December 14, 2009 18:27

    @ Empire1:

    OTOH, if you want low tech, old diesels are hard to beat. But forget about trying to compression start one of them (I tried it once; you should have seen the skid marks).


  69. Dolphin
    69 | December 14, 2009 18:28

    @ Truck Monkey:
    Very true.


  70. snork
    70 | December 14, 2009 18:29

    Empire1 wrote:

    You can push-start manuals, unlike automatics!

    If you’ve never seen “the gods must be crazy”, you need to.


  71. Silhouette
    71 | December 14, 2009 18:29

    teacake wrote:

    Makes me wonder if there is any truth to the rumor that Prince Charles converted to islam

    Leaked palace communications recently said Elizabeth was passing many of her duties off to…William.

    The singer “Pink” recently trashed William for fox hunting and called him a redneck. I take that as a compliment to him.


  72. 72 | December 14, 2009 18:30

    @ Silhouette:

    Pink is Trash.


  73. Truck Monkey
    73 | December 14, 2009 18:31

    When Britain first, at Heaven’s command
    Arose from out the azure main;
    This was the charter of the land,
    And guardian angels sang this strain:

    “Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
    “Britons never will be slaves.”

    2

    The nations, not so blest as thee,
    Must, in their turns, to tyrants fall;
    While thou shalt flourish great and free,
    The dread and envy of them all.

    “Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
    “Britons never will be slaves.”

    3

    Still more majestic shalt thou rise,
    More dreadful, from each foreign stroke;
    As the loud blast that tears the skies,
    Serves but to root thy native oak.

    “Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
    “Britons never will be slaves.”

    4

    Thee haughty tyrants ne’er shall tame:
    All their attempts to bend thee down,
    Will but arouse thy generous flame;
    But work their woe, and thy renown.

    “Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
    “Britons never will be slaves.”

    5

    To thee belongs the rural reign;
    Thy cities shall with commerce shine:
    All thine shall be the subject main,
    And every shore it circles thine.

    “Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
    “Britons never will be slaves.”

    6

    The Muses, still with freedom found,
    Shall to thy happy coast repair;
    Blest Isle! With matchless beauty crown’d,
    And manly hearts to guard the fair.

    “Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
    “Britons never will be slaves.”

    Does this Britain still exist?


  74. snork
    74 | December 14, 2009 18:31

    Mr Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, stated the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years.

    Didn’t he say that last year? And the year before? And the year before? And the year before? And the year before? And the year before? And the year before?


  75. 75 | December 14, 2009 18:31

    @ Silhouette:

    William is too blue-blooded to be a redneck. Thus, he wasn’t worthy of it :-P


  76. 76 | December 14, 2009 18:31

    The kittens are going nuts.


  77. coldwarrior
    77 | December 14, 2009 18:32

    Empire1 wrote:

    Hmm … Snork made me think of this. For survival/comfort in relatively low tech, get an older car with a manual transmission. You can push-start manuals, unlike automatics!

    for EMP survival

    better make sure it has points and a distributor cap and no computer.


  78. 78 | December 14, 2009 18:34

    @ snork:

    Well, if you must be an ass about it, yes, Gore claimed the arctic would be ice free by now. There, are you happy.

    (Damn, I never knew I had that kind of prissy in me. That is a revolting development…)


  79. buzzsawmonkey
    79 | December 14, 2009 18:34

    snork wrote:

    if you want low tech, old diesels are hard to beat.

    Did you have to bring up Rosie O’Donnell?


  80. coldwarrior
    80 | December 14, 2009 18:34

    @ snork:

    one of my top 10 movies.

    the struggles with that range rover are epic!


  81. 81 | December 14, 2009 18:34

    @ snork:

    but this time he means it! He’s so serial, guys!


  82. Empire1
    82 | December 14, 2009 18:34

    @ Iron Fist:
    Oh, I got to see a rifle in boot camp … I think they even let us hold it for a few seconds! ::sigh:: Of course, by that time, my Army officer dad had made sure all his womenfolk were thoroughly familiar with firearms :evil grin: Mom was better with his M1911 Colt than he was!

    I like weapons. Handguns are my favorites, given I have trouble with the length of most stocks on shoulder arms. Knives are droolesome! I’m no good with ‘em, except maybe against someone who’d use a hammer or icepick grip, but I do love them!


  83. Silhouette
    83 | December 14, 2009 18:34

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yeah, and fox hunting is a bit hoity toity compared to deer huntin’, but I’ll take a hunter of any sorts over, say, a PETA nut.


  84. coldwarrior
    84 | December 14, 2009 18:35

    Truck Monkey wrote:

    When Britain first, at Heaven’s command

    “Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
    “Britons never will be slaves.”
    Does this Britain still exist?


  85. mjazz
    85 | December 14, 2009 18:35

    @ snork:

    It rarely pays to DIY

    I just put beadboard up on my porch ceiling and me and my cousin paneled the porch and kitchen. I’d say it paid. I’d hate to see what a contractor would charge (if he ever showed up).


  86. coldwarrior
    86 | December 14, 2009 18:35

    Truck Monkey wrote:

    When Britain first, at Heaven’s command

    “Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
    “Britons never will be slaves.”
    Does this Britain still exist?

    the britain form that song ceased to exist in ’47


  87. Silhouette
    87 | December 14, 2009 18:36

    Ppppthhh. I’m watching Top Chef and they are COMPLAINING over bacon in the dessert.

    As if there is any dish that bacon doesn’t make better.


  88. buzzsawmonkey
    88 | December 14, 2009 18:36

    mjazz wrote:

    My Mom was happy when they got a water pump inside the house instead of having to pump it outside.

    I can imagine.


  89. Dolphin
    89 | December 14, 2009 18:36

    @ snork:
    OMG! One of the best movies ever and one of the few we actual own.

    Currenty watching National Lampoon Christmas Vacation.

    I am easily entertained – lol


  90. 90 | December 14, 2009 18:37

    @ Empire1:

    A knife is the weapon, close up and personal. I like a tomahawk, too, but a good knife is the real deal. Anything under 21 feet, I’ll do it with a blade.

    I really am that good. I wouldn’t fuck with me :-)


  91. Empire1
    91 | December 14, 2009 18:38

    snork wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    OTOH, if you want low tech, old diesels are hard to beat. But forget about trying to compression start one of them (I tried it once; you should have seen the skid marks).

    Don’t get me wrong — I love high tech! (Where in the hells are the blankin’ hyperdrive starships?) But there’s a lot low-tech can still beat high-tech at.


  92. buzzsawmonkey
    92 | December 14, 2009 18:39

    Empire1 wrote:

    But there’s a lot low-tech can still beat high-tech at.

    Nineteen box cutters proved pretty formidable a while back.


  93. coldwarrior
    93 | December 14, 2009 18:39

    Empire1 wrote:

    snork wrote:
    @ Empire1:
    OTOH, if you want low tech, old diesels are hard to beat. But forget about trying to compression start one of them (I tried it once; you should have seen the skid marks).

    Don’t get me wrong — I love high tech! (Where in the hells are the blankin’ hyperdrive starships?) But there’s a lot low-tech can still beat high-tech at.

    i wanna know where are the flying cars?

    they have promised us flying cars over and over again.


  94. mjazz
    94 | December 14, 2009 18:40

    @ LanceKates: And the Amish let their kids have a go at the outside world if they want, unlike izlam.


  95. Empire1
    95 | December 14, 2009 18:40

    snork wrote:

    Empire1 wrote:
    You can push-start manuals, unlike automatics!
    If you’ve never seen “the gods must be crazy”, you need to.

    Uh, I must not have, since I don’t know what it is. Elucidate, please?


  96. 96 | December 14, 2009 18:40

    @ Silhouette:

    Empire1 and I are discussing how cool knife fighting is. Prince William should pay attention. American women are tougher than British men. I don’t know when that happened, but there it is…


  97. buzzsawmonkey
    97 | December 14, 2009 18:40

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i wanna know where are the flying cars?

    they have promised us flying cars over and over again.

    As if rush hour on terra firma wasn’t bad enough.


  98. snork
    98 | December 14, 2009 18:41

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    snork wrote:

    if you want low tech, old diesels are hard to beat.

    Did you have to bring up Rosie O’Donnell?

    No, no, no! I wasn’t talking about the Olds diesels (the famous 50,000 mi 5.7l diesel engine), I said old diesels (like Benz).


  99. coldwarrior
    99 | December 14, 2009 18:41

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    i wanna know where are the flying cars?
    they have promised us flying cars over and over again.
    As if rush hour on terra firma wasn’t bad enough.

    i dont care.

    WE WERE PROMISED FLYING CARS BY 2000!

    i have the popular mechanics magazine from the 50′s that has the promise in it.


  100. coldwarrior
    100 | December 14, 2009 18:43

    snork wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    snork wrote:
    if you want low tech, old diesels are hard to beat.
    Did you have to bring up Rosie O’Donnell?

    No, no, no! I wasn’t talking about the Olds diesels (the famous 50,000 mi 5.7l diesel engine), I said old diesels (like Benz).

    oh hell, THOSE (5.7 gm diesels) were pure, unadulterated, first rate, scrap, garbage, junk.


  101. 101 | December 14, 2009 18:44

    @ Empire1:

    Have you ever thought about combat aboard a starship? Really thought about it? Guns are out. Lead riccoting around doing who knows what to who knows what. Probably something that makes the air you breathe. Nice.

    So guns are out. So are lasers for the same reason. Burn through the hull, and everyone has a problem more important than killing each other.

    Warfare inside a starship would be back to swords, axes, and daggers. Ain’t that cool?


  102. snork
    102 | December 14, 2009 18:44

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i wanna know where are the flying cars?

    they have promised us flying cars over and over again.

    These are the same guys promising that solar and wind will solve all of our problems – when they finally work the kinks out. They also know what the climate is going to be in 2100. They even said so.


  103. coldwarrior
    103 | December 14, 2009 18:46

    snork wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    i wanna know where are the flying cars?
    they have promised us flying cars over and over again.
    These are the same guys promising that solar and wind will solve all of our problems – when they finally work the kinks out. They also know what the climate is going to be in 2100. They even said so.

    dont change the subject. we were promised flying cars!

    ;)


  104. Empire1
    104 | December 14, 2009 18:46

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    A knife is the weapon, close up and personal. I like a tomahawk, too, but a good knife is the real deal. Anything under 21 feet, I’ll do it with a blade.
    I really am that good. I wouldn’t fuck with me

    I wouldn’t f– with you either … I’d ask what you charge for lessons! If you could teach an old broad with a bad back enough to help. At least my Makarov doesn’t require elaborate maneuvers. :sigh:


  105. Truck Monkey
    105 | December 14, 2009 18:47

    coldwarrior wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    i wanna know where are the flying cars?
    they have promised us flying cars over and over again.
    As if rush hour on terra firma wasn’t bad enough.

    i dont care.
    WE WERE PROMISED FLYING CARS BY 2000!
    i have the popular mechanics magazine from the 50’s that has the promise in it.

    Do you also have a copy of Grays Sports Almanac 2000 to 2050 handy?


  106. mjazz
    106 | December 14, 2009 18:48

    @ LanceKates:
    An Israeli innovator has come up with a new concept.
    Pulling out the pistons for 100 miles to the gallon


  107. 107 | December 14, 2009 18:49

    @ Empire1:

    If we can ever meet in the flesh, I’ll teach you for free. We had a ball at Geepers with me teaching one of the participant’s little girl all kinds of things. She was the little girl we took the pick of in my patch with the double-barreled shotgun and the knife. Scarry little girl. I bet the punks over at kos wet them selves over her (in one manner or another)…


  108. snork
    108 | December 14, 2009 18:49

    coldwarrior wrote:

    oh hell, THOSE (5.7 gm diesels) were pure, unadulterated, first rate, scrap, garbage, junk.

    I actually had one for a while. Believe it or not, if you got one of the “rebuilt by Mr. Goodwrench” ones like I did, they weren’t too bad, except you had to replace the head bolts every 10,000 miles. And you did it without removing the heads, or even the injector lines. If you don’t, the bolt heads break off.


  109. coldwarrior
    109 | December 14, 2009 18:50

    Truck Monkey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    i wanna know where are the flying cars?
    they have promised us flying cars over and over again.
    As if rush hour on terra firma wasn’t bad enough.
    i dont care.
    WE WERE PROMISED FLYING CARS BY 2000!
    i have the popular mechanics magazine from the 50’s that has the promise in it.

    Do you also have a copy of Grays Sports Almanac 2000 to 2050 handy?

    no, but i have a grays anatomy fro the 1890′s


  110. mjazz
    110 | December 14, 2009 18:51

    @ LanceKates:
    No pun intended, but mohammedans are pro-life.


  111. coldwarrior
    111 | December 14, 2009 18:52

    snork wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    oh hell, THOSE (5.7 gm diesels) were pure, unadulterated, first rate, scrap, garbage, junk.
    I actually had one for a while. Believe it or not, if you got one of the “rebuilt by Mr. Goodwrench” ones like I did, they weren’t too bad, except you had to replace the head bolts every 10,000 miles. And you did it without removing the heads, or even the injector lines. If you don’t, the bolt heads break off.

    my friends dad had one of those, he had been buying olds since the 50′s…this was the last straw for him. they lost a very loyal customer over those diesels.

    i learned some interesting words while listening to him go on that car!


  112. Silhouette
    112 | December 14, 2009 18:52

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i have the popular mechanics magazine from the 50’s that has the promise in it.

    I’ve giving them until 2015, the year that Marty McFly went forward to in the flying Delorean

    Then, ALL bets are off. I’m going off the deep end. Postal. Medieval. Yes, the worst you can imagine….

    …I’m going to write an angry letter.

    I might even send it.


  113. mjazz
    113 | December 14, 2009 18:54

    LanceKates wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I don’t know….. I think they just fear the muslims and, like the french, only attack those they know won’t fight back?

    so the french trashing is gonna be here too?


  114. coldwarrior
    114 | December 14, 2009 18:55

    Silhouette wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    i have the popular mechanics magazine from the 50’s that has the promise in it.
    I’ve giving them until 2015, the year that Marty McFly went forward to in the flying Delorean
    Then, ALL bets are off. I’m going off the deep end. Postal. Medieval. Yes, the worst you can imagine….
    …I’m going to write an angry letter.
    I might even send it.

    yep, me too.

    i am ready to write an angry letter as well!


  115. mjazz
    115 | December 14, 2009 18:57

    @ snork:
    Sarah Palin’s book sold 1 million copies, Al Gore’s Our Choice sold 40,000.


  116. Empire1
    116 | December 14, 2009 18:57

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    Have you ever thought about combat aboard a starship? Really thought about it? Guns are out. Lead riccoting around doing who knows what to who knows what. Probably something that makes the air you breathe. Nice.
    So guns are out. So are lasers for the same reason. Burn through the hull, and everyone has a problem more important than killing each other.
    Warfare inside a starship would be back to swords, axes, and daggers. Ain’t that cool?

    Actually, I have, even though it never came up in my stories. I think that’s how come “medieval” weapons became so popular in space opera and science fantasy. I did come up with something for out-ship combat that you might get a kick out of, though … a development made on a planet called Sandeman, where it was used to make enemies bleed out faster. A hollow arrow with holes in the shaft. Makes a useful air-release for a spacesuit in vacuum, no?


  117. snork
    117 | December 14, 2009 18:57

    @ mjazz:

    Unlike a lot of these kinds of things, that’s very interesting. But he only talks about the compression stage. The more important issues is the actual power conversion stage. The blurb is incomplete.

    82% efficient liquid-ring compressor is quite a trick, if it’s for real.


  118. 118 | December 14, 2009 18:58

    @ mjazz:

    One of the evils of capitalism…


  119. Silhouette
    119 | December 14, 2009 18:59

    @ mjazz:

    Yeah, but one of his was to the Unabomber. Can Palin claim she inspired a serial killer? Gore Win.

    /


  120. 120 | December 14, 2009 19:00

    @ Empire1:

    Cool. Anything that can breach suit integrity would be useful outside of a ship. Back to swords and armor, except one breach of the armor is fatal…

    (Yes, I’ve thought about this a lot :-)


  121. mjazz
    121 | December 14, 2009 19:00

    @ Iron Fist:
    Unless the enemy thought he had 72 perpetual virgins coming.


  122. 122 | December 14, 2009 19:02

    The kittens are encouraging me to call it a night. I hope they don’t have ill designs in mind…


  123. Empire1
    123 | December 14, 2009 19:02

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    If we can ever meet in the flesh, I’ll teach you for free. We had a ball at Geepers with me teaching one of the participant’s little girl all kinds of things. She was the little girl we took the pick of in my patch with the double-barreled shotgun and the knife. Scarry little girl. I bet the punks over at kos wet them selves over her (in one manner or another)…

    And I’ll eagerly take you up on it! Some good lessons on knife-work could be a real life-saver in the not too distant future.


  124. 124 | December 14, 2009 19:04

    @ mjazz:

    You have to treat those as zombies. That calls for a shotgun…


  125. 125 | December 14, 2009 19:04

    Good night, everyone :-)


  126. 126 | December 14, 2009 19:06

    @ Iron Fist:
    I actually had a trilogy of stories I had plotted out that explained that very thing. It explains so much (Flash Gordon).


  127. 127 | December 14, 2009 19:07

    mjazz wrote:

    @ LanceKates:
    An Israeli innovator has come up with a new concept.
    Pulling out the pistons for 100 miles to the gallon

    I’d love a turbine engine in a car. Particularly if someone is tailgating.

    mjazz wrote:

    @ LanceKates:
    No pun intended, but mohammedans are pro-life.

    Except for the lives of others.


  128. mjazz
    128 | December 14, 2009 19:08

    @ Iron Fist:
    Is there any such thing as pepperoni shot?


  129. Empire1
    129 | December 14, 2009 19:09

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The kittens are encouraging me to call it a night. I hope they don’t have ill designs in mind…

    ROFL! If they do, you are aware they will maliciously wait until you’re sound asleep, I’m sure. :evil grin:

    And it’s past my bedtime, too. See you tomorrow, brother!


  130. 130 | December 14, 2009 19:10

    @ mjazz:

    Are you suggesting that the french don’t have a history of surrendering to enemies?

    I leave out the scorn I have for the french after their illegal dealings with Saddam to funnel money and weapons to him in exchange for oil, as well as the general anti-american sentiment from the french.

    It is a nice place to visit, alot of history there and very pretty sites.

    but yes, I do equate French with Surrender.

    And, I’m not sure what it is you’re protesting, as I am not alone in that thought.


  131. m
    131 | December 14, 2009 19:26

    @ Rodan:

    Thanks!

    But I meant he could use a snuggie for the cold deck ~


  132. 132 | December 14, 2009 19:28

    m wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Thanks!
    But I meant he could use a snuggie for the cold deck ~

    I’m sure one can easily be put on the christmas list.


  133. pbird
    133 | December 14, 2009 19:28

    snork wrote:

    Empire1 wrote:
    There’s a reason, you know, that people do hand-work even when they can go out and buy something approximanely equivalent.
    Which leads to a question that I’ve been trying to answer, and can’t. Are we becoming more DIY, or less? On the one hand, the rise of the home improvement box stores indicates that there’s some sort of frustrated need for homo officus (the office worker) to do something with his hands. It rarely pays to DIY, often you just end up having to hire a real contractor unscrew it. On the other hand, a lot of things that we used to repair, and in some cases build from kits (i.e. Heathkit), we buy in a box, use, and then throw away because the stuff from Asia is cheap and reliable.
    I don’t know which way we’re headed in this regard, but in general, repair is becoming a lost art. And as more and more of us get herded into cubicles, and then return home to nothing but gizmos that work until the drop, maybe there’s some frustrated need that goes unmet. And when frustrated needs go unmet, usually bad things happen.

    I don’t how many are making their own things but I do. I have always been pleased to know that if I had to I could do anything that pertains to ground level living. I’m getting a little old for too much roistering about, but I could sure teach it. I always felt it would come in handy and God just made me this way. There must be a fair number of us out here.


  134. m
    134 | December 14, 2009 19:29

    I’ll take the huggie though! lol! {Rodan}!


  135. mjazz
    135 | December 14, 2009 19:30

    Brits issue arrest warrant for Tzipi Livni. The English have a long history of antisemitism.


  136. pbird
    136 | December 14, 2009 19:33

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    I am a fighter, and Warrior is really the oldest profession there is. You know exactly what I mean. It is nice to meet a kindred spirit

    I dunno IF. Older than making cloth and pots and all that, and training animals? I guess so if you posit that it means we do all that other stuff for ourselves and you guard the village. But then you wouldn’t have time to guard the village if you had to make your own food and clothes. So….


  137. 137 | December 14, 2009 19:37

    @ pbird:

    It is amazing how quickly a farmer can become a fighter if someone tries to take his land.


  138. pbird
    138 | December 14, 2009 19:54

    LanceKates wrote:

    @ pbird:
    It is amazing how quickly a farmer can become a fighter if someone tries to take his land.

    Well, yes. I imagine so.


  139. Macker
    139 | December 14, 2009 21:08

    Can we start to call that country No Longer Great Britain?


  140. Aussie Infidel
    140 | December 15, 2009 02:30

    I can’t agree with the Melanie Phillips contention that ….

    ‘The Elitist Progressives view Christianity as archaic and not fit for their new society’ ….

    I think the Tranzi Progressive Left know that Christianity is a direct philosophical threat to their agenda and this explains their rabid hostility.

    If the Tranzi Pros thought that Christianity and Judeo-Christian underpinnings of Western society were just a mixture of latter day throw back religious crazies, they would n’t spend the massive effort they do in vilifying and opposing Christian and Jewish philosophies.

    The Tranzi Progs identify their MAIN ENEMY in no uncertain terms, and that is why they are so ‘mouth foaming’ determined when it comes to opposing Judeo- Christian mores and philosophies


  141. African Moondog
    141 | December 15, 2009 03:49

    mjazz wrote:

    Brits issue arrest warrant for Tzipi Livni. The English have a long history of antisemitism.

    You are right, which is ironic considering that England was the first Western European country to lift the restrictions on the Jews.


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