Sen. Ben Nelson (Neb.) a so called Blue Dog Conservative Democrat has sold out to the Progressives. He has agreed to vote on the Senate version of the Healthcare Bill. He had refused initially to support it because of government funding of abortion. Instead the Progressives created an opt out for some states to refuse abortion coverage. States that stay with plans funding abortion, will still force people to pay for it. This is a Eugenics based plan that will promote abortion to “reduce costs”, that is the intent here.
Sen. Ben Nelson (Neb.), the final Democratic holdout on health care, announced to his caucus Saturday morning that he would support the Senate reform bill, clearing the way for final passage by Christmas.
“We’re there,” said Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), as he headed into a special meeting to outline the deal.
Democratic leaders spent days trying to hammer out a deal with Nelson, and worked late Friday night with him on abortion coverage language that had proved the major stumbling block. Nelson also secured other favors for his home state.
Under the new abortion provisions, states can opt out of allowing plans to cover abortion in insurance exchanges the bill would set up to serve individuals who don’t have employer coverage. Plus, enrollees in plans that do cover abortion procedures would pay for the coverage with separate checks – one for abortion, one for rest of health-care services.
Read the rest.
Ben Nelson should be voted out of office. The real reason Nelson is supporting this bill is because Obama threatened to close down Offutt Air Force Base. In reality this compromise is just cosmetic. Public money is still going to pay for abortions. This is the opening phase of the Progressives and their long term goal of imposing Eugenics on the population. Euthanasia is the next step in their plan.
The American people oppose this plan, yet the Progressive elites will push it down our throats anyway. This clearly is undemocratic and against the will of the people. Ben Franklin warned about this happening. He said the following when asked what type of government was being set up in America, “A Republic, if you can keep it.” We are losing our Republic to the Tranzi Progressives and their Neo-Feudal beliefs.
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The dark shadows of the coming times are upon us.
May he roast in the flaming fires. I was getting caught-up on some work and the TV was tuned to Fox News in the other room. I heard Obamao come on and launch into a string of lies about how good Obamaocare will be for us all and how it was going to balance the budget and make us all better human beans. I couldn’t take it anymore and switched over to The Duke and Dean Martin in Rio Bravo.
Anyone who voted for this should be voted out. It will be interesting to see who actually IS voted out.
@ Kirly:
Your exactly right! This was a calculated betrayal of the American people.
Speranza wrote:
There is no such thing as a Blue Dog Dem.
A Dem is a Dem is a Dem is a coward.
Hellcare written by and forced upon us by criminals.
So, I wonder what job Nelson was promised for after he gets booted by those he is supposed to represent? Health Car Assistant Director is my first guess.
I sink we knew zeese was coming. Zere are no blue dogs, zat ez anosther lie of ze left. Zere are no moderate liberals anywhere, yes? I have not seen one.
Speranza wrote:
Yes.
I sink all of zeese tweestings about by ze liberals recently is ze sham they need to somehow fool everysone zey were hoodwinked into zeese desperate act and please do not vote zem out for it.
Zat strategy could work, too. Liberals have ze morals of ze catfish in ze jar of vasolines, no?
@ Frenchie:
Not a one Frenchie, not a one to stand up and say no.
This is a power and control grab, nothing to do with caring for the unwashed masses.
No, this is a sound compromise that puts the abortion debate right where it belongs, in our statehouses.
I do applaud you for shoving Ben Franklin, Obama and euthanasia into the same post.
@ Silhouette:
DC Madam, its where they all belong.
He should have called Obi’s bluff and DARED him to close the base. Doesn’t anyone stand up for anything anymore?
This has nothing to do with abortion, medicare or giving a krap about your kids.The abortion “debate” and other pesty little objections were smokescreens to take our attention off the real issue here.Power and control.The bill was written by a convicted felon for crying out loud.
and proabably most of the Sheeple in America don’t even know that we pay for it ( we being all of us, but mostly people who work ) for 4 years and the benefits don’t kick in for 4 years.
this stupid idiot illiterate electorate who gave us hope and change.
From the aricle above: Nelson also secured other favors for his home state.
Interesting statement right there.
fultonchain wrote:
I agree that the abortion issue should be decided at the state level. It is a great pity — not to mention a travesty against Constitutional federalism — that the Roe and Doe decisions made a federal issue out of it.
But the whole health care debate should likewise be in our state houses, where it belongs, rather than at the federal level.
To suggest that this “compromise” means my tax dollars won’t be paying for abortion if my state opts out is sheer nonsense.
Paying for abortions is tantamount to making Hindus eat beef…or Jews eating pork. They are forcing us to befoul ourselves with rules that goes against what we believe in. This is a sin. There will be hell to pay.
Health Care DMV style………..
Expatriate status looking more and more appealing.
@ Doppelganger:
All they hear is free stuff and its for the children™.So vulgar that baby killing pedophile supporting lefturds use that tired line.
Just like every piece of legislation during the last year, this is being crafted in private meetings among Democrats, concienciously excluding Republicans, and will be slammed through both Houses by strong arm tactics from the White House.
The People have no idea what’s in this bill and, most tragically, neither do the legislators, for the most part. Eventually, it will be passed in the middle of the night, as have most of this administration’s boonoggles.
The People CLEARLY do not want this, but the Democrats are not acting in the interest of the People or their nation; the House, Senate and President are acting autonimously, as the oligarchs they believe themselves to be.
We The People are no longer in control of OUR government; no longer do they bend to OUR will, they are forcing us to bend to THEIR will.
Democrats have become enemies of The People. This is OUR goddamned government, not a vehicle for their socialist experiments!
@ vagabond trader:
“Kill the fetus! It’s for the children!”
/cue Twilight Zone theme…..
NoThreat2U wrote:
THAT is exactly what I would have done. Gone public and loud and constant. No one ever accused me of not being persistant or stubborn.
@ MacDuff:
Eventually, it will be passed in the middle of the night,
Sen. Reid is aiming for Christmas Eve. The eve of the celebration of the birth of Christ.
The irony is astounding.
Merry
Christmas Comrades.Eventually, it will be passed in the middle of the night
I’ll call it my Kwanzaa Present……’efin’ commie libtards…..
@ IslandLibertarian:
Isn’t that festive? You can feel the absolute contempt these bastids have for America.Not one decent dem amongst them.
ok, rant over….of to do vehicle repairs….gotta keep the SUV on the road!
Happy Holidays!
No doubt sharmuta is excited about the passage of Obamacare.
Because Chuckles is
we are so doomed.
vagabond trader wrote:
We thought the state had power over our very lives before.
Hell, even under the most autocratic king of years past, the doctors were still private business.
Even assuming that all in the government are saints and there will be no rationing or end of life councils, this is still The Government. Anyone who has anything to do with The Government knows how screwed up it is, inefficient, going off on silly tangents that have nothing to do with the job at hand.
We’ve already seen the call for race-based selection of doctors. Soon, requirements that all bandaids be from union factors, and only 90% recycled content paper hospital gowns and full eco-approved operating room lighting. Are the patients recovering in the proper ratio to satisfy the Social Justice admin?
I’m done with this fucking charade.
What Media Bias?
Headline yesterday said Nelson would be either Santa or Grinch. Either bringing gifts or stealing them away.
I suppose an apologist could twist themselves in a pretzel and try to say that for a socialized medicine opponent, had Nelson opposed, it would have been a gift.
Silhouette wrote:
So was education.
What we are seeing is the total appropriation by the state of powers formerly held by either the Church, voluntary associations, or the individual.
This is what totalitarianism is all about.
@ Doppelganger:
Of course he is, its the freebies he feels entitled to which will never appear,despite baksheesh paid to the government coffers. In fact by the time if any form of hellcare is actually mandated he will be damned near the age of to treat or not to treat.
@ fultonchain:
I hope you are right. I am personally against Abortion, however it should be a state Decision. On Social issues I lean Libertarian. Although I am Culturally Conservative.
@ savage:
Hi Savage! ?
@ savage:
Oh Oh Savage is pissed! The progressives better watch out!
The big joke is that Nelson will cast this vote, which is the only one that makes a difference, in favor of cloture. Then Reid will let him vote against the bill….when his vote doesn’t matter.
We don’t know what’s best for us. THAT’S why these jackasses up in DC are shoving it down our throats, despite the will of the American people.
We need to throw every member of the House & Senate that supports this monstrosity out of office.
@ wolfie:
None of which will matter, anyway, because this provision will undoubtedly be stripped out when the bill goes to conference with the House.
It’s all for show.
@ MacDuff:
Correction — it used to be our government. Sorry, Mr. Franklin, we couldn’t manage to keep it.
@ lobo91:
Yup it’s a sham.
Rodan wrote:
He’s dead wrong.
He would only be right if the whole health care program, including its funding, were on the state level….. (which, of course, is where it should be.)
It doesn’t matter if my state refuses abortion coverage. Because the coverage is paid from federal tax dollars, I’ll have to pay for abortions in other states anyway. This is a joke.
When every single government program, from Social Security & Medicare to the Prescription Drug Plan, have ended up costing, not just a fraction more, but multiple TIMES more than the initial estimates, why would anyone in their right mind think Obamacare would be any different?
Oh, I forgot- ‘anyone in their right minds’. That cuts out the vast majority of Obama voters.
@ Rodan:
Even if it were left in the final bill, and passed, I’d be willing to bet that it would be ruled unconstitutional anyway, as a violation of “equal protection.”
@ lobo91:
Yes they can’[t force people to buy coverage. Where in the constitution is that?
lobo91 wrote:
Yep! Good point.
You know, it might be one thing to provide for CATASTROPHIC coverage. But when you’ve got Uncle Sam dictating, through some unqualified ‘czar’ appointed by this dipsh-t Obama and the other dipsh-ts over on Capitol Hill, exactly what my health care HAS to provide, we’ve got problems.
Abortion is sacred because it’s a ‘woman’s body’, but apparently my health care ISN’T sacred, even though it’s MY body, and there’s no involvement of another life.
We’re So Frickin’ Screwed.
@ Rodan:
“Are you serious? Are you serious?” (either N. Pelosi or B. Boxer)
@ mfhorn:
I doubt that anyone actually believes that it’s going to save money. The goal is to cement federal control over everyone’s lives, not to provide health care, or to save money.
The whole “CBO scoring” thing is a sham, anyway. They tell the CBO analysts what figures to use when doing their calculations.
It’s as big a sham as the “global warming” hoax.
So this will pass they’ll get together with the congressional whores to sort through the dung heap and pass a public option laden bill. It won’t be in effect for four years why? They anticipate a fight to the SCOTUS? Keep an eye on them, I predict a retirement or two after the new year, installation of activist replacements.
savage wrote:
Health care? I certainly hope you’re not talking about the blog, which certainly isn’t a charade.
savage wrote:
Health care? I certainly hope you’re not talking about the blog, which certainly isn’t a charade.
Rodan wrote:
Same place as the Progressives miraculously discovered they can force you to pay into a retirement plan, or for welfare, or for Medicare, or for “artists” who can’t sell their crap on the free market, or for kindergarten sex ed.
Justice Harry Blackmun of the Sup.Ct.: “The Constitution is whatever five of us say it is.”
@ Kirly:
My exact response would have been: Look, I do not want to vote yes on this bill, but the White House has threatened to close our air base if I don’t. So, I will still vote no. When the base is closed, you can take the issue up with the White House. Thank you.
@ chickadee:
“There is no such thing as a Blue Dog Dem.
A Dem is a Dem is a Dem is a coward.” Comment of the day, IMO. Blue Dogs bark, but never bite.
@ Empire1:
He’s talking about how the Progressives ram stuff down our throats. I just spoke with him by Phone, he’s had it with our politicians.
@ Rodan:
We feel his disgust!!
@ Rodan:
That’s a completely separate issue. I have no doubt that the entire thing is unconstitutional.
What I was referring to was this abortion provision and the “opt out” clause, specifically.
Leaving the fact that it’s about abortion out of it, I see no way that they can provide different coverage to people in different states. It would violate the “equal protection” clause of the 14th Amendment.
@ MrPaulRevere:
So are dems masquerading as Independents.
Ironically, I find myself rooting for MoveOn and Daily Kos as they try to “kill the bill”. Politics indeed makes strange bedfellows.
The real reason Nelson is supporting this bill is because Obama threatened to close down Offutt Air Force Base. In reality this compromise is just cosmetic.
This is pure and simple a bullshit excuse to let Nelson off the hook and to save face whilst other smoke fill room deals were done and skeletons shoved to the back of Nelson’s closet once more by the Chicago thugs.
Hasn’t anyone heard of the ‘Defense Base Closure and Realignment Commission’? A sitting President can’t just close any base he wants. Closures have to go through the Congress and there is no way that a strategic base like Offutt AFB was going to be closed by the Congress or they’d all be looking for jobs!
Nope the Chicago thugocracy made Nelson a deal he couldn’t refuse that’s all.
Now unless the House refuses to play ball there will be hell to pay as Catholic Church based health providers shut their doors because the Church has said that it won’t be involved in law that forces Church hospitals to go against their basic Christian philosophies.
The Catholic hospitals should close their doors and the Bishop of San Francisco should publicly make an example of Catholic Senators as well as Pilosi by excommunicating them.
Two can play hard ball in this game!
It’s all bullshit and having had to pin our hopes on a Democrat not selling out was pure bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit. We better start winning elections
Rodan wrote:
He isn’t the only one. The progs better be glad i’m an old woman (can’t say lady, the way I’m feeling at the moment), and only write about Imperial powers rather than actually having any.
@ wolfie:
Exactly. If we don’t provide federal funding to this artist or that artist, it’s called ‘censorship’, even though it’s not the art itself that’s being refused, just the support of the American taxpayer.
Where did all this begin? FDR with his distorting of the phrase ‘forgotten man’? The court ruling that wheat grown for private use could be regulated because it could affect interstate commerce? Somewhere before even that?
Suggested reading:
“New Views of the Constitution of the United States” by John Taylor (first published approx 1823)
“Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution” by Kevin R.C. Gutzman
“Dependent on DC” by Charlotte Twight
@ vagabond trader:
The four year delay is an accounting gimmick, not the result of any anticipated legal challenges.
As I mentioned above, they tell the CBO what figures to use when they do their “independent” “non-partisan” analysis of the bill. In this instance, they were instructed to calculate the cost over a 10-year period starting next year.
The main reason it comes out as saving money is that that 10 year period only includes 6 years worth of expenditures, offset by 10 years worth of taxes.
Even assuming they’re right about their cost projections, it’s clearly not going to be “deficit-neutral” in the following years. Starting with year 11, it will begin to spend more than it takes in.
@ mfhorn:
Note: ‘New Views’ is definitely NOT light reading. With the writing style of the early 1800′s combined with a lot of repetitiveness, I have managed to slog through the book, but only a few pages at a time.
Rodan wrote:
Thgat’s where you’re wrong mate.
The bill as it now stands (version 5 I think) forces individuals to spend their own money to purchase cover from ordained providers. When a government tells its citizens how and where to spend their own money just to be a citizen there is a name for it.
It’s called COMMUNISM
Pure and simple. The administration will spin it and call it by other names but it’s still communism.
I never thought that the US people would allow a bunch of 60s radicals to install a communist regime in the country that saved the world from Soviet Communism.
Vale the USA
Nebraska is supposed to get a free Medicare ride for who knows how long and the rest of the states will pay NE’s share.
* 2 of 3 of our auto manufacturers are now controlled by the government.
* A substantial portion of our finacial sector is now controlled by the government.
* A substantial portion of our media has become government lapdogs.
* Now, we’re on the verge of our healthcare system being controlled by the government.
* Deficits that were once measured in the billions, are now measured in the TRILLIONS.
All of this has taken place in just the first 11 months of the Obama administration. With staggering speed, this group has seriously damaged the underpinnings of our capitalist system, while performing dazzling displays of foreign policy weakness heretofore believed to be unthinkable.
Even a great, resiliant nation can take only so much….
Rodan wrote:
Oh, I’m glad! Thanks for telling us … I was worried there for a bit. As for his feeling about our politicians, I’ve shared that for a long time. I’m of the opinion that “politician” is just another term for “demon”, and should be used as a pejorative.
“Starting with year 11, it will begin to spend more than it takes in.”
Somehow the loons can’t figure that out.
It can’t be Constitutional (not that zero and his crew care) to hand over cash to Neb. for increased medicaid enrollment while depriving those who paid into the system adequate services.
The weak accord with which the United Nations climate summit closed is a harbinger of world leaders’ likely future failure in efforts to impose tougher sanctions against Iran, diplomats said Saturday.
The historic climate talks ended Saturday after a 31-hour negotiating marathon, with delegates accepting a U.S.-brokered compromise that gives billions in climate aid to poor nations but does not require the world’s major polluters to make deeper cuts in their greenhouse gas emissions.
Following the end of the summit, diplomats said that China’s flexing of its political muscles in its disputes with the United States at the conference should serve as a warning of what will happen when the Obama administration seeks to bring tougher sanctions against Iran for UN Security Council approval.
China’s flexing of its political muscles in its disputes with the United States –read that as China thinks Obama is a putz
Go to http://www.gradegov.com/, sign up and let a senator know what you think. I heard from a GradeGov rep that the fax and phone lines are jammed and that the emails are the only things getting through.
You can give a senator a grade and add an email but you can only do one a day. Choose wisely but let them know.
P\OK, let me see if I have this, the states can opt out of abortion, but Roe v Wade is the law of the land?
Does naybody think that any state that opts out will be sued based on the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution?
The flawed Supreme Court Roe decision took abortion out of the realm of States Rights.
@ Jen06:
I do not wish to pay anyones share,because frankly I’m selfish. We have already been paying the freight of lazy malcontents far too long.My healthcare policy is sound and paid for by us,yet we won’t be allowed to keep it unless we make extortion payments to DC criminals. This is so wrong on so many levels.
@ Empire1:
@ hadenuf:
Which loons? The ones in Congress, or the idiots pushing them to pass it?
I guarantee you the ones in Congress understand that. That’s why the scoring was done the way it was. Not only does it hide the fact that it actually costs substantially more than they’re claiming, it pushes the effective date of the crash out 10 years.
That’s far enough out that they can claim that unexpected conditions caused their projections to be off, etc., and that the only options are to raise taxes or cut services.
Since no government program in the history of the world has ever cut its services, we already know what will happen next.
These “opt out” provisions may not make it through conference committee. Even if they do, they won’t survive a constitutional challenge in front of a Liberal Court. I’m not even sure what the current court would do (Kennedy has voted pro-abortion in the past). So all this is is a pastie for Nelson to wear while he performs for the Party. He’s nothing but a political whore. He was holding out for the pork, and he got the pork.
@ vagabond trader:
Yup. Like many union members, your husband has what they consider a “Cadillac” plan, so you can look forward to paying a 40% surtax.
@ Empire1:
We could call them whores, but that does demean honest working girls.
@ Iron Fist:
Kennedy made his peace with the Lord when he received his last confession and was given a Catholic service. He had to renounce his stand on abortion. Would Uncle Teddy lie?????
vagabond trader wrote:
Better get used to it Trader. If this has all happened in just 11 months then by 2012 rolls around it will already be the United Soviet States of America.
The USSA
If a rogue administration attempts to over throw the whole philosophical underpinnings of a nation in one 4 year term then sterner opposition is called for.
But we all know in our heart of hearts that the vast majority of citizen ‘sheeple’ won’t lift a finger because they won’t risk losing their cozy materialist lifestyles.
The irony is that they will lose them in the end. Just slower!
Tar + feathers plus house members and Senators, throw in a rail or two and do your work!
@ lobo91:
Do you have a link to that provision? What little I can find indicates it’ll be the employer or insurance company being taxed. No matter, its all designed to herd us all into government control.
lobo91 wrote:
From what I have “heard” my tricare will NOT be taxed or changed in any way. HOWEVER I have NOT seen that in writing and I am not holding my breath
More on Nelson’s (Nebraska) bribe:
Sen. Nelson also secured an exemption from a new insurance tax for non-profit companies in his state. Mutual of Omaha and Nebraska’s Blue Cross/Blue Shield won’t have to pay a tax other companies will be required to pay.
http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/19/sen-nelsons-bribe/
Sanders took credit for the $10 billion, which he said would provide primary care to 25 million more people, but said it was not a sweetener to earn his vote. “That is not a sweetheart deal,” he said.
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/
I’d like to see all Republican governors get together and start whatever it is to go for cession, just to fuck with them and screw up their paperwork and plans.
@ Nevergiveup:
My husband is unable to get any info from his union rep.Shows how valued the Obot union members are to Hussein.That’ll be the only plus, seeing the reaction of those demturds upon realizing they’ve been had.
Caesar takes care of his own. The unions and govt workers will get a better deal.
Small business will be screwed. Self-employment will be discouraged.
teacake wrote:
In Florida we have Crist. What are the odds that he’d be on board?
Sen. (ugh) Bill Nelson’s voice mail has been “full” for 2 years!
vagabond trader wrote:
This bill is an example all the worst aspects of our corrupt representative democracy. It doesn’t get much more down and dirty than what we have seen and we have only seen the tip of the iceberg. And when this titanic goes down, it’s taking all of us with it.
@ Nevergiveup:
A virulent pox on them all.
vagabond trader wrote:
Ahmen
@ vagabond trader:
Since there is no actual bill yet, no.
What I’ve seen said the insurance companies would be taxed.
If you add a surtax onto a company’s product, who pays it in the end?
The consumer does, when the company raises its prices to cover the new cost.
I despise the Blue Puke Democrats more than Pelosi. At least Communist Pelosi is true to her principles and no one can be fooled by her pronoucements or actions, but the Blue Dogs meant to deceive from the very beginning. They’re are phony Conservatives but real Marxists and that makes them the worst of all.
Underzog wrote:
They all suck. Solution= WIN a freaken election
My thoughts right now are not pretty.
@ Nevergiveup:
You’re talking about Tricare Reserve Select, right?
I don’t know what they consider the actual annual cost of TRS policies to be for those purposes, but I doubt that it would fall under the “Cadillac plan” provisions.
Regular TRICARE for active duty members shouldn’t be affected at all, because it’s not technically even insurance. It’s government-provided heathcare that’s administered by a contractor.
lobo91 wrote:
Yes. But some how I figure they are going to fuck it up
The fix was in from the beginning with these bastards. We need to knock them out in 2010.
Fck all these sob’s who forced this on us. Most of America did NOT want this gov’t Death Care.
And these thugs did NOT listen to us at all. When did the American citizen matter less in politics?
This is criminal.
@ lobo91:
I wonder how they’ll work around contractural agreements with retirees.
Sc@w that, this thing needs to be pitched into the landfill.
The sad truth is that the people who are driving this thing are arrogant SOBs that simply don’t care what we think. Sure, we can say “vote ‘em out” until our face turns blue, but if this thing is passed and codified into law, we’re screwed before we even get to the polls.
What’s the chance of this thing being repealed in the future? Slim to none. I can hear it now “the evil Republicans want to take away your healthcare!” and the media will lap it up.
We’re on a runaway train……
@ wolfie:
I agree completely. Now isn’t the time, though.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Too late.
Better advice — for those who are young:
Raise your kids right.
Don’t tell them to be self-sufficient.
Don’t tell them to delay gratification.
Don’t tell them not to borrow what they can’t afford to repay.
Don’t tell them not to live off other people’s money.
Don’t tell them to stop whining.
Above all else:
Tell them to get a government job.
@ chickadee:
Cannot voice what I really want to say right now.Grrrrrr! will have to suffice.
@ vagabond trader:
It’ll pass, though. The Democrats are going to get their 60 votes. If they weren’t, all of this would just be a waste of time. What is being negiotiated is the price for those 60 votes. Once they get that, I expect the final legislation to pass with 50-52 votes. Barley passed, but by enough. The cloture vote is the real vote. The voters should remember that in 2010.
A) you can thank the stealing of Minnesota by Al(gore) Franken for this.
B) In a comedic turn of events, global warming has snowed in D.C. and the senate cannot convene to force this garbage upon us… just wishing
-ICNH
@ wolfie:
And another thing.
I will fight with every ounce of my being to keep my sons from even thinking about joining the military.
@ Iron Fist:
Oh, I know it will and it is going to make such a foul stink when those who think they’re “special and safe” become aware of the true intent of their beloved despots.Useful idiots.
@ chickadee:
And these thugs did NOT listen to us at all. When did the American citizen matter less in politics?
Yes, but 52% of the electorate voted for Obama. The damage that he is doing was imo forseeable.
People that act surprised & actually voted for him tick me off.
It is important to turnover the House in 2010 & vote BHO out in 2012, but a lot ao the damage will remain.
The Left can mock Sarah Palin about the “Death Panels” under ObamaCare, but they call it the Commission. Palin was right.
wolfie wrote:
Why?
wolfie wrote:
I have no children, but things look grim for the next generation. Once this healthcare takeover is in place, it will be impossible to get rid of it. And it won’t stop here. It will grow like a cancer until it eats up the budget and the country.
I also worry that next year, after the Donks lose the House and Senate, they will have a lame duck session and pass all kinds of Leftist bullshit, including gun control laws, with the knowledge that Obama will veto any attempts by the Republicans to repeal such laws. If the Republicans even have the stones to repeal them.
wolfie wrote:
They should have a “Progressive” Brigade , led by Commander Charles F Johnson. The enemy will die laughing, problem solved.
Iron Fist wrote:
CORRECT. This is the real vote.
Alaso, anyone who still thinks that these thing can be fixed later, please don’t be naive. Once this this is law, they will enact the whole disgusting thing, growing it piece by piece. Done deal.
-ICNH
@ savage:
I’m done with this fucking charade.
“The secret of getting things done is to act.” –Dante
Shout it from the mountain; preach it to strangers not the choir. Everywhere you go, gassing up at the pumps, standing in line at a store, taking a piss at public restroom, the person standing next to you on the train, etc., etc. Let them know how you feel. Don’t come across as a loon though, do it solemnly with sincerity. Example: “Man can you believe what the country is coming to? The massive amount of spending, the duplicity, the deceit, the apologizing for OUR alleged wrongs.” (Never use I, me, or my)Have your shit together if you’re asked about an issue. Do it daily, constantly, every waking minute. The majority of the country is of the same mind set as you. They’re good people, love their country; they just need to be awaken from their slumber.
@ RIX:
They can go into battle on those adult tricycles and wear cute spandex uniforms.
Government funded healthcare.
unfortunately, it’s the Chinese government funding it for us
@ Nevergiveup:
What the hell would they be fighting for?The Constitution is as dead as the dead white males that wrote it. It has been for a long time, but there is a tipping point beyond which any hope of restoration is lost.
So what the hell would they fight for?
The “right” to teach kindergarteners about gay sex?
Their culture?
What culture?
hey-hey-ho-ho-western-civ-has-got-to-go
vagabond trader wrote:
Yes & everyone will have a ponytail & use combat mousse. Fabulous!
@ MacDuff:
That’s one of the reasons they did the phony CBO projections 10 years out.
Once the true cost is revealed in 2020, and the entire country is stuck in this system, killing it will be impossible. They’ll just have to pass massive tax increases in order to cover it.
@ Iron Fist:
We also have no children, and I have never been so grateful for that in my life. I really feel sorry for those who have children and/or grandchildren, and the wisdom to see what is going to be happening over the next years.
Wow, my last post sounded really defeatest.
I didn’t mean it quite that way. (Perhaps in my subconscious?) I guess I’m still hoping that Either bad weather ruins the thing OR the GOP can play rules/procedure games and stall it until Senators go home (for Christmas break) and get yelled at, thus losing their stomach for enacting it.
@ Insert Clever Name Here:
And you can thank George Soros and his “Secretary of State Project” for Franken getting that seat.
@ Insert Clever Name Here:
Hey,its the truth. I’m not defeated, not just yet.
Sage advice in these trying times…”Despair is a mortal sin; it saps one’s will to continue fighting…You can only be defeated if you accept defeat; you must actively conspire in your own subjugation.”
See ya later.
@ wolfie:
I have always had faith in the resiliance of our country and her people. Alas, our government; the Legislative as well as the Executive and Judicial branches have betrayed us.
This health care debacle will pass. As I said above, we are on a runaway train and nothing can stop it. Even if we “vote the bums out”, the republic will have sustained much damage that cannot be undone.
We can look back at 2006 and 2008 as the years we delivered our beloved republic into the hands of the of the oligarchs, the clueless and the malevolent.
@ lobo91:
I’ve a dread feeling the 2010/12 elections will be even uglier.
@ wolfie:
Relax. Take a deep breath. Have a drink. And this too shall pass.
@ vagabond trader:
They probably will, because they’ve gotten more of their people in office in order to screw with things.
I’ll give them credit for one thing, anyway. The plan to take control of the Secretary of State’s offices was brilliant. Nobody even pays any attention to those races, and they control the entire election process.
What is truly astonishing is the quality of people who have initiated the destruction of our liberty. Street thugs,political grifters, hoaxers and dumb ass kids. Wow.
Green Mountain College student has filed a lawsuit over the lack of single-sex bathrooms in the her co-ed residence hall.
Nineteen-year-old Jennifer Weiler filed a civil complaint last week against the Department of Public Safety, which enforces building and plumbing codes she claims were violated.
All seven of the school’s residence halls are co-ed. According to the lawsuit, Weiler and others are uncomfortable with the flimsy curtains on the shower doors and men using the toilets without closing the door.
Weiler’s father, Ron Weiler, told The Burlington Free Press that school officials agreed to label the bathroom on her floor “female” but males continue to use it. A college spokesman declined to comment.
@ lobo91:
Soros and co. are experts at subverting institutions.If someone told me he was satan incarnate it would not surprise me one bit.
To anyone still hoping these commies are simply naive, please lose that belief!
MrPaulRevere wrote:
Well, in a way I’ve been in despair about the West since I was sixteen or so. But, although I have been sorely tempted, I have never given up the will to fight.
The way I look at it is this. Even if I knew with 100% certainty that it’s a lost cause —which I think it is — I still have a choice of what to do. Do I want to go down without a murmur, or do I want to go down kicking and screaming, fighting all the way?
@ vagabond trader:
Yep
Nevergiveup wrote:
I dunno about the deep breath. The
taxesEPA fees on the exhaling could be too much. The drink, OTOH,……..@ Nevergiveup:
Good hope she wins, how revolting.Are same sex dorms too much to ask for?The planned obsolescence of simple dignities like this is all part of the big plan I’m afraid.These ill bred young men are the future.Lovely.
@ vagabond trader:
What is truly astonishing is the quality of people who have initiated the destruction of our liberty. Street thugs,political grifters, hoaxers and dumb ass kids. Wow.
Err … Yep
vagabond trader wrote:
Yes and totally against our will. Zero came in like a fcking snake.
And fck the 52 % who couldn’t or wouldn’t see that they were voting for a snake. Are they proud now that they to prove their lack of bigotry they have saddled us with this anti-American sob?
Idiots.
Act.
http://www.reversethevote.org
http://www.blowoutcongress.com
If not you, who.
$175,000 so far.
the reverse the vote money will go to defeat the 24 best chance to defeat Communist aka Democrats.
lobo91 wrote:
We’d better start our own march to take them back.
@ chickadee:
Useful idiots who will also be tossed aside after their expiration date has passed.
70% of America does not vote.
if we get just 10% of that 70% to get off their ass’s and help us, it will be easy….@ chickadee:
vagabond trader wrote:
I dont remember the novel that well, but in the Left Behind series Nikolai Carpathia (the antichrist) was a politician. Maybe he’ll be a “money man” instead.
-ICNH
Pure Stalin, Marist,, “Its not the vote, its not who votes for who, its who counts the votes.”@ wolfie:
@ Insert Clever Name Here:
Nikolai was also quite wealthy before becoming a politician iirc. lol, I don’t think Soros is satan, just on the payroll.
I often wonder how different (read better) the country would be if Conservatism had an activist “Mr. Moneybags” like Soros.
or a fair, impartial Mainstream Media…
@ taxfreekiller:
Indeed!
@ wolfie:
Of course you fight it, and never stop fighting it, the future is too important. These are indeed bleak times, but with faith Liberty can endure.
It’s pretty disheartening to see the financial future of America.
Can you imagine if any of us were earning 100,000 a year. Driving 5 cars, living in a million dollar home, going out for 500$ dinners every night, buying designer clothes. And financing all of it on a credit card, and just making the monthly payments
and when we can’t even make the minimums, we open a new credit card and put the other cards minimum payments on that card.
That’s what our government is doing. And it can’t be sustained indefinately
vagabond trader wrote:
“on the payroll” LOL
@ Doppelganger:
I had a friend who did that.He thinks we’re fools for having a mortgage and paying our bills. Hes now bankrupt and no doubt we’ll be picking up the tab.
I found this comment at Hot Air a useful wrap up of the current state of affairs. I disagree vehemently with the despairing tone though…”Socialism is unstoppable because its success depends simply on the exploitation of the weaknesses of human nature, and the weakness of human nature are for more powerful and ubiquitous than its strengths. Partaking of it, either for a voter, or a politician, is the path of least resistance with the most immediate reward. Not only are voters bribed with goodies, but so are the politicians. This dynamic assures that socialism will be the chosen road that every democracy takes.
Thus, socialism is the prewired default destination for any democracy. Virtually every democracy in the world has gone down this same route and become socialist, including even the United States. This dynamic can not be changed because human nature can not change.” http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/19/breaking-nelson-will-vote-for-cloture/comment-page-11/#comment-3064651
lawhawk and lostlakehiker are posting facts on the Democrats and their health care bill
they are being attacked by the new and old hands of the Kos Kids lgf’s cult members
look for more to normal posters to leave or being cast out over the cults inability to deal with facts any longer
@ Doppelganger:
Yeah, but it’ll last long enough to crush those of us who don’t even have a credit card.
What do you suppose the chances are that a couple of the hold-outs (like Nelson or Lieberman, etc.) will change their vote on Cloture? You know, kinda’ screw Reed at the last minute on Christmas Eve? For the good of USA?
-ICNH
@ Nevergiveup:
I lived in a co-ed dorm my freshman year of college, but we had seperate halls and seperate floors and, of course, seperate bathrooms. We even had rules about being in each other’s rooms after certain hours (said rules ignored at times). Personally, I like more privacy than was there, then, but I can’t imagine co-ed restrooms. People simply aren’t thinking.
Fight back.
http://www.mycongressmanisnuts.com/
@ Insert Clever Name Here:
Slim to none. They have made their deal with the devil. Oops, there he is again.
@ Insert Clever Name Here:
No, they’re good whores. Once they’ve taken the cash they’ll put out. Besides, the way they’ve got it set up, they don’t get the payola unless they play straight.
@ taxfreekiller:
I’m really, really surprised Lawhawk has hung around as long as he has. I can’t imagine why. He’d be welcome at many other blogs, and he has his own besides.
vagabond trader wrote:
It’s too easy to dodge debts these days. I’m one of those people who pays his mortgage. Home values where I live have gone into the toilet.
People who got these crazy ARMS on homes they couldn’t afford, just default. Walk away.
There are even people who default then pay cash for their own house. One local “preacher” in my city did that. Disgraceful. Million dollar house, which he defaulted on. Got evicted. Got his church to buy it for him at auction for about 250,000.
Bums and freeloaders are running this country and Obama is their boy
@ Doppelganger:
Some preacher! As a good Christian lady once told me, let them have their party now, it won’t be much fum where they’re going.
vagabond trader wrote:
I think that we may be approaching a point where the effect non-producers vs, that of producers will reach a tipping point. We continue to deincentivize success, in favor of equalizing the outcome.
Why should I bust my ass every day, only to subsidize people who milk the system?
I’ve worked all my life, paid my taxes, and now I look to the future and it’s uncertain because “my” government has not been as prudent as I. These bastards now tell me that “we” must make sacrifices for the good of “all”.
Am I becoming bitter? Hell yes, I am.
@ MacDuff:
Alrigh! Who in the Senate offered to blow Ben Nelson!
This is being done VERY deliberately. Ben Nelson has some of the highest ratings of a Democrat so they chose him on purpose to be the guy to be that #60.
The Republicans better get their act together and promise two things:
#1: Repeal this crap, if passed
#2: Pass real reform in its place
They’ll be unable to override a Presidential veto after 2010, so it is vital to stack the deck against these commies in charge so things can change quickly come 2012.
The republican party better fix its problems with RINOS and moderates (liberals acting like Republicans). I could give a f less about the religious republicans, I just want a fiscal conservative and free market advocate in there with an R next to their name. I am beginning to wonder if any exist outside ultra-nutty Ron Paul .
taxfreekiller wrote:
Awww lay off the Marists taxfree.
I know … they used to cane the living crap out of me at school for not conjugating my Latin verbs correctly but …… Stalin?
well …… Maybe Pol Pot … but not Stalin!
hehehe