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Ben Nelson’s “Cornhusker Kickback” AKA Harry Reid’s bribes to pass the ZeroCare™ bill that most Americans want nothing to do with

by Bob in Breckenridge ( 112 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Liberal Fascism, Progressives at December 21st, 2009 - 11:30 am

These imbecilic libtards are shameless. And the most imbecilic and shameless of the bunch is that littlle libtard weasel from Nevada, Senate Majority Leader (for now) Harry Reid.

This dirtbag, who is thankfully going to lose his Senate seat next year, has promised billions of our tax dollars to bribe other libtard Senators to vote for this “healthcare” bill that most of us “serfs” DO NOT WANT anything to do with.

Last I heard, being that I’m from Chicago, bribery is also called “CORRUPTION”, and hundreds of politicians have been and are now in prisons all over the fruited plain for being corrupt. Here’s a great article from www.politico.com that breaks down all the bribes the little weasel paid using our money to pass this joke of a bill.

Payoffs for states get Reid to 60
By: Chris Frates
December 19, 2009 07:56 PM EST

Ben Nelson’s “Cornhusker Kickback,” as the GOP is calling it, got all the attention Saturday, but other senators lined up for deals as Majority Leader Harry Reid corralled the last few votes for a health reform package.

Nelson’s might be the most blatant – a deal carved out for a single state, a permanent exemption from the state share of Medicaid expansion for Nebraska, meaning federal taxpayers have to kick in an additional $45 million in the first decade.

But another Democratic holdout, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), took credit for $10 billion in new funding for community health centers, while denying it was a “sweetheart deal.” He was clearly more enthusiastic about a bill he said he couldn’t support just three days ago.

Nelson and Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) carved out an exemption for non-profit insurers in their states from a hefty excise tax. Similar insurers in the other 48 states will pay the tax.

Vermont and Massachusetts were given additional Medicaid funding, another plus for Sanders and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) Three states – Pennsylvania, New York and Florida – all won protections for their Medicare Advantage beneficiaries at a time when the program is facing cuts nationwide.

All of this came on top of a $300 million increase for Medicaid in Louisiana, designed to win the vote of Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu.

Under pressure from the White House to get a deal done by Christmas, Reid was unapologetic. He argued that, by definition, legislating means deal making and defended the special treatment for Nelson’s home state of Nebraska.

“You’ll find a number of states that are treated differently than other states. That’s what legislating is all about. It’s compromise,” he said.

It was Nelson who proved that he who plays hardest to get, gets the most.

He forced Reid to redraft the bill’s restrictions on federal funding of abortion. And while most insiders were focused on that deal, Nelson was quietly ensuring that his state would never have to pay for the Medicaid expansion being written into the bill – an agreement that had been in the works for weeks.

Medicaid is usually paid for with a mix of federal and state funding, but Nelson’s carve out means that any Medicaid beneficiaries who join the program under the bill will be fully paid for by the federal government.

It’s an important deal considering that many governors are worried that the Medicaid expansion will further strain already stressed state budgets – and one that came after Nebraska Gov.Dave Heineman called on Nelson to vote against the bill.

“The State of Nebraska cannot afford an unfunded mandate and uncontrolled spending of this magnitude,” the governor wrote to Nelson.

Nelson deferred all questions on the provision to Reid, saying only that he was “comfortable” the deal took care of Nebraska.

But Nelson’s deal could be a pittance compared to where the Nebraska compromise might ultimately lead – to 49 other states demanding that the feds pick up their share of health reform’s new Medicaid burden when it kicks in during 2017.

“When you look at it, I thought well, God, good, it is going to be the impetus for all the states to stay at 100 percent [federal funding]. So he might have done all of us a favor,” Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) said of Nelson’s dealings.

Nelson and Levin also pushed a provision that exempts non-profit insurers in Nebraska and Michigan from an annual multi-billion dollar excise tax on insurance companies.

Not surprisingly, both states are home to non-profit insurers who control a high-percentage of the industry’s profits. In Michigan, non-profit insurers control 76 percent of the industry’s profits – one of the highest percentages in the nation – while Nebraska non-profits control 46 percent of their state’s profits.

And in an example of how closely senators guarded details, Levin’s office did not answer any questions about the proposal when asked about it on Friday.

Republicans, meanwhile, expressed outrage at the wheeling and dealing, as if their party had never cut a legislative deal in its 150-year history.

“This bill is a monstrosity, a 2,100-page monstrosity full of special deals for people who are willing to vote for it,” said Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell. “And they’re playing these kind of games with the nation’s health care. This is an outrage.”

But Sanders didn’t sound outraged when he talked about the extra Medicaid funding Vermont will get for six years. Massachusetts, meanwhile, received three years worth of additional Medicaid funding. Under the original bill, neither state had qualified for the money.

Republican Sen. Mike Enzi accused Democratic leaders of favoring Medicare Advantage beneficiaries in Pennsylvania, New York and Florida at the expense of seniors in other parts of the country.

“The Democrats are playing ‘Let’s make a deal’ with trillions of your hard-earned tax dollars. You and all the American people should know that the majority leader is buying his votes with your money,” said Enzi (R-Wyo.) “The Reid bill gives sweetheart deals to a few states and the rest of the country will foot the bill. Making unfair deals like this is the wrong way to legislate and the American people know it.”

And while there were plenty of state-specific deals, some of the changes were clearly aimed at pleasing specific Democratic factions. For instance, tightened insurance regulations went a long way toward putting a smile on the faces of liberal senators who have lost their much-loved public option.

Read the rest here

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112 Responses to “Ben Nelson’s “Cornhusker Kickback” AKA Harry Reid’s bribes to pass the ZeroCare™ bill that most Americans want nothing to do with”
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  1. 1 | December 21, 2009 11:32 am

    sell out!


  2. snork
    2 | December 21, 2009 11:35 am

    It would actually be appropriate to say “foist”.


  3. 3 | December 21, 2009 11:36 am

    foist! this health care bill has been foisted upon me!


  4. Nevergiveup
    4 | December 21, 2009 11:37 am

    Gee is there any news that in not depressing today?


  5. 5 | December 21, 2009 11:38 am

    All sixty Democrats in the Senate are now marked for defeat in 2010, 2012 and 2014; that I’m certain of.


  6. 6 | December 21, 2009 11:39 am

    So does anyone know what Lieberman got? Blow job from Nancy Pelosie or Barney Frank? $100 Ultramaxxx Large (maybe a cool billion)? Why isn’t he making some noise? I’m kind of in transit, so maybe I missed something…


  7. snork
    7 | December 21, 2009 11:39 am

    Not surprisingly, both states are home to non-profit insurers who control a high-percentage of the industry’s profits. In Michigan, non-profit insurers control 76 percent of the industry’s profits – one of the highest percentages in the nation – while Nebraska non-profits control 46 percent of their state’s profits.

    Ok, is there a Feringus among us who can explain how all these non-profits are making all this profit?


  8. snork
    8 | December 21, 2009 11:40 am

    Morgan wrote:

    All sixty Democrats in the Senate are now marked for defeat in 2010, 2012 and 2014; that I’m certain of.

    Aren’t you forgetting the coasts?


  9. snork
    9 | December 21, 2009 11:40 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    So does anyone know what Lieberman got? Blow job from Nancy Pelosie or Barney Frank?

    Please. I’d hate to have to make that choice.


  10. Overlook
    10 | December 21, 2009 11:40 am

    When laws established Medicaid, when regulations hamstrung the insurance industry, when doctors’ services stopped being paid directly by the patient, that was the beginning of national health.
    This bill is not the camel’s nose. It is the camel’s behind.


  11. 11 | December 21, 2009 11:41 am

    And on that list for 2010: my own senator, Evan Bayh.


  12. Nilla
    12 | December 21, 2009 11:41 am

    Seriously, folks, with Obama, Pelosi and Reid in control of this country is anyone really surprised we’re living in a Thugocracy? It’s the Chicago way, gone national.


  13. 13 | December 21, 2009 11:41 am

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Gee is there any news that in not depressing today?

    Ted Kennedy has 118 days sobriety..way to go Ted!


  14. orangecrush
    14 | December 21, 2009 11:42 am

    This is clearly greed, graft, and corruption at it’s worst in the supposed leaders of the primary democracy in the free world. Whether they be Republicans or Democrats. National measures should not be localized in this way. It erodes the democracy. Nebraska should be ashamed that it has elected such an illiterate senator.

    But this is classic Obama also. There should be no localized alteration of bills like this.


  15. 15 | December 21, 2009 11:42 am

    @ snork:

    Salary. You pay out a huge payroll and bonuses and the “Company” makes no profit. That is how most of them work. It is a scam, really.


  16. 16 | December 21, 2009 11:42 am

    @ snork:

    The coasts? I don’t think so.


  17. Overlook
    17 | December 21, 2009 11:44 am

    @ snork:

    The non-profit insurers are proxies for state bureaucracy. Small death panels versus big death panels.


  18. 18 | December 21, 2009 11:44 am

    That title should have been longer, can someone add something to it?

    OH, and if the word “libtard” could have been used more that would have been awesome!


  19. coldwarrior
    19 | December 21, 2009 11:44 am

    snork wrote:

    Not surprisingly, both states are home to non-profit insurers who control a high-percentage of the industry’s profits. In Michigan, non-profit insurers control 76 percent of the industry’s profits – one of the highest percentages in the nation – while Nebraska non-profits control 46 percent of their state’s profits.
    Ok, is there a Feringus among us who can explain how all these non-profits are making all this profit?

    some of these groups (like upmc here in pgh)are non-profit for the tax breaks that status gives them, this also eases the way form them to own the hospitals as well. non profits tend to pay less in taxes on real estate, are business tax exempt et cetera. this has a huge reduction i the bottom line in operating expenses.

    did the articel go into not for profit versus non-profit?


  20. Nilla
    20 | December 21, 2009 11:45 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t have a problem with that. We are idiots if we think taxing corporations does anything other than pick the pocket of the consumers.


  21. coldwarrior
    21 | December 21, 2009 11:47 am

    specter in PA is tied in the polls, so i imagine he is gone, he has become very unpopular here

    if there is abortion in the final bill that passes, then casey will get the boot from the catholics and lose his seat. unless he is brave like his dad was and sticks to his guns and votes no, but i wont hold my breath.


  22. lobo91
    22 | December 21, 2009 11:49 am

    @ Nilla:

    We are idiots Democrats if we think taxing corporations does anything other than pick the pocket of the consumers.

    Fixed that for you.


  23. Overlook
    23 | December 21, 2009 11:49 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Non-profit versus profit is not meaningful where the government has a stranglehold on the actuarial basis of insurance.


  24. vagabond trader
    24 | December 21, 2009 11:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    My question also IF. Dodd, as we know, is a hellcare waterboy and has been awarded 100 mil to build a hospital in CT, as if we don’t have enough empty beds in our existing institutions.Union contractors will be delighted. My suspicion is this was “given” to Dodd because of Lieberman caving but they made a deal so as not to soil Joes rep.Yeah, CT is pretty damned corrupt despite the nose in the stratosphere attitude here.

    http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2009/12/20/friend-of-angelo-chris-dodd-gets-100-million-for-uconn-hospital-in-senate-health-care-bill/

    **spit**


  25. coldwarrior
    25 | December 21, 2009 11:51 am

    Overlook wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Non-profit versus profit is not meaningful where the government has a stranglehold on the actuarial basis of insurance.

    sure it does, operating costs are lower for non profits. pittsburgh is having a huge tax base problem becasue of it. this lower tax is huting the city becasue the major emplolyers are hospitals, insurance companies, and universities.


  26. lobo91
    26 | December 21, 2009 11:51 am

    @ Overlook:

    Non-profit versus profit is not meaningful where the government has a stranglehold on the actuarial basis of insurance.

    That’s the whole point of this exercise. They’re removing the actuarial basis of health insurance. They want everyone to pay the same thing, regardless of age, gender, or medical condition.


  27. coldwarrior
    27 | December 21, 2009 11:52 am

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    That title should have been longer, can someone add something to it?
    OH, and if the word “libtard” could have been used more that would have been awesome!

    yep…


  28. blueiris
    28 | December 21, 2009 11:52 am

    @ orangecrush:
    And Obama was speaking (self-congratulating) today about his new anti-government waste award he gave out to someone who had the idea to re-use opened prescriptions for vets or something along that line. Way to go Obama! I’m SO proud of you for curbing government waste!
    /


  29. 29 | December 21, 2009 11:53 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    “libtard” is like cowbell, you just can never have enough.

    /.


  30. coldwarrior
    30 | December 21, 2009 11:54 am

    blueiris wrote:

    @ orangecrush:
    And Obama was speaking (self-congratulating) today about his new anti-government waste award he gave out to someone who had the idea to re-use opened prescriptions for vets or something along that line. Way to go Obama! I’m SO proud of you for curbing government waste!
    /

    incoming med administration errors!!!

    this is not a good idea.


  31. coldwarrior
    31 | December 21, 2009 11:54 am

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    “libtard” is like cowbell, you just can never have enough.
    /.

    COWBELL

    :lol:


  32. 32 | December 21, 2009 11:55 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    Thanks. Yeah, we wouldn’t want to soil Joe’s halo. He’ll let someone else do his killing for him, and keep his hands blood free.


  33. 33 | December 21, 2009 11:56 am

    @ WrathofG-d:

    MORE cowbell!


  34. vagabond trader
    34 | December 21, 2009 11:57 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    What? Well,if they are in blister packs that could work providing they were relabeled properly,but since when does big gov ever do anything efficiently.Besides,tossed away meds are a pimple on the arse of this foul behemouth.


  35. orangecrush
    35 | December 21, 2009 11:57 am

    If the Republicans have any message about this beyond acceptance, they need to get it on tv commercials and coffee cup holders.


  36. RIX
    36 | December 21, 2009 11:58 am

    Amazon Gift Cards
    Lifestyle | Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:23:46 am PST

    If you still need a few stocking stuffers for friends or family, a good way to let them get what they want or need is to send an Amazon Gift Card.

    Apparently Charles didn’t get his snake oil shipment in time for Christams.
    “Buy a gift card you Creationist , AGW Denier or I’ll ban you.”


  37. 37 | December 21, 2009 11:58 am

    @ coldwarrior:


  38. buzzsawmonkey
    38 | December 21, 2009 11:59 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    MORE cowbell!

    At least, more cowbelled together.


  39. 39 | December 21, 2009 11:59 am

    @ Iron Fist:


  40. coldwarrior
    40 | December 21, 2009 11:59 am

    i gotta go…am baking baguettes for my bro’s christmas eve gathering/feast and for my sisters christmas day feast…i think i’m gonna get into the red wine and try to ignore the coup that occured last night.

    then i will get angry about it later.


  41. 41 | December 21, 2009 11:59 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I got a FEVER!


  42. 42 | December 21, 2009 12:00 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    :P

    :P

    :P


  43. Doppelganger
    43 | December 21, 2009 12:00 pm

    Rush said it well today. Any Democrat who votes for this Socialist Healthcare CANNOT call him/herself a moderate.

    Any bill that is opposed by Susan Collins and Olympia Snow is by definition a far left bill


  44. vagabond trader
    44 | December 21, 2009 12:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    He is a cowardly tax and spend libral who gets cut no slack from me, Jewish war supporter or not.They probably also threatened to take away his chairmanships.


  45. coldwarrior
    45 | December 21, 2009 12:00 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    What? Well,if they are in blister packs that could work providing they were relabeled properly,but since when does big gov ever do anything efficiently.Besides,tossed away meds are a pimple on the arse of this foul behemouth.

    it said opened…if they are still in sealed/labled blisters then it could work.


  46. 46 | December 21, 2009 12:02 pm

    This helps steady me. There are more things going on in the world than this betrayal of America, the voters, and the Oath of Office every one of these worms has sworn.


  47. vagabond trader
    47 | December 21, 2009 12:03 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    As in vials, bottles,etc? Gaaaah! Wait til they completely deep six the LPN programs and replace them with low paid unlicensed ninnies with officious sounding titles. Goodbye Nursing Home residents. Death panels indeed.


  48. Doppelganger
    48 | December 21, 2009 12:04 pm

    Get good service from the post office? How about the DMV?

    Well folks, when the Fed Government takes over healthcare, expect a lot more stories like this

    EMTs were buying bagels on Dec. 9 when 25-year-old Eutisha Revee Rennix collapsed. The paper says store employees asked the EMTs to help but they allegedly refused

    The Lady and her baby died


  49. snork
    49 | December 21, 2009 12:05 pm

    Morgan wrote:

    @ snork:
    The coasts? I don’t think so.

    California, Oregon, Washington, New England, NY, NJ, they all love this stuff. Most of we coasters are morons.


  50. kansas
    50 | December 21, 2009 12:06 pm

    Reid said that if Senators didn’t steal any money from this, well, it simply reflected badly on their ability to steal. Or something to that effect.


  51. Carolina Girl
    51 | December 21, 2009 12:07 pm

    Frankly, I still don’t see this one getting by SCOTUS. Even when you consider the reach they took to find the so-called Fourth Amendment Privacy rights that formed the basis for their decision in Roe v. Wade, there is nothing, nothing NOTHING in the Constitution that allows them to force a citizen to buy any product and what product they must bye or face jail.

    Hell, why stop at health care? Food’s an even bigger necessity and a lot of us enjoy our junk food. Will they be mandating what I must buy at the local grocery next? I’ll have to pay a greater tax if I want to buy hot dogs? whole milk?

    The push back will start. I can only hope this is one time that Anthony Kennedy’s head is on straight if and when this monstrosity is finally brought before him.

    And I pray for the continued health of Justices Thomas, Alito, Roberts and Scalia.


  52. vagabond trader
    52 | December 21, 2009 12:08 pm

    @ Doppelganger:

    Actually, the PO is not as bad as some make it out to be.In fact it is the best in the world,imho.Try dealing with France or Italy for instance.That being said their recent escalation in the cost of shipping packages is breathtaking.


  53. SciFiGuy
    53 | December 21, 2009 12:09 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    So does anyone know what Lieberman got? Blow job from Nancy Pelosie or Barney Frank? $100 Ultramaxxx Large (maybe a cool billion)? Why isn’t he making some noise? I’m kind of in transit, so maybe I missed something…

    I’m thinking “TAG TEAM”


  54. RIX
    54 | December 21, 2009 12:09 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    As in vials, bottles,etc? Gaaaah! Wait til they completely deep six the LPN programs and replace them with low paid unlicensed ninnies with officious sounding titles. Goodbye Nursing Home residents. Death panels indeed.

    Physician Reimbursement will be controlled & Med School seats won’t be such a prize. There is a doctor shortage now, where will the doctors come from?
    Imo there will have to be more foreign imports, many with questionable credentials & Affirmative Action Med School graduates.


  55. 55 | December 21, 2009 12:10 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    I recounted some of my heproblems here. They’ll want to kill me off as quickly as they can. It shouldn’t be too hard. Without insurance, I couldn’t afford the degree of care I am receiving, or even all my medication (it ain’t easy just making the co-pays). I’m dead if this thing passes. Not today, but in a decade or so.


  56. vagabond trader
    56 | December 21, 2009 12:10 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Ginsburg has pancreatic CA, never a great prognosis, worse at her age.


  57. Speranza
    57 | December 21, 2009 12:11 pm

    snork wrote:

    It would actually be appropriate to say “foist”.

    no it wouldn’t be. Hopefully we have moved passed that 5th grade stage.


  58. Nikis Knight
    58 | December 21, 2009 12:11 pm

    Hey, I got an idea. Could we get the Tea Party movement & whoever to threaten to boycott anything produced it states that take bribes like this?

    This is really Nebraska benefiting from the bill (well, not that the benefits are all that great anyway) while getting the other states to pick up its part of the tab. I say screw them then, don’t reward that patently selfish behavior.


  59. kansas
    59 | December 21, 2009 12:11 pm

    Ginsburg has pancreatic CA, never a great prognosis, worse at her age.

    I heard Van Jones is available.


  60. 60 | December 21, 2009 12:13 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Amen, Dolly! We’ve got to cut this off. What do you think will happen with the so-called abortion concessions Ben Nelson sold his soul for? My bet is they don’t survive conference, but if they do there’s no way they survive this Court. And Obama isn’t likely to appoint a conservative if something were to happen to Justice Kennedy…


  61. kansas
    61 | December 21, 2009 12:13 pm

    RIX, physician reimbursement is controlled by Medicare, Medicaid, and all HMO and PPO plans. And if the doc doesn’t like it, tough shit. And if they want to get together to collectively bargain, well they call that price fixing and a violation of the anti trust act punishable by prison terms. I shit you not.


  62. CarolinaJen
    62 | December 21, 2009 12:15 pm

    What happens when doctors are no longer excepting Medicaid patients? Will they be FORCED to? That is already an issue in many places. Hey guys, its been a while since I’ve posted. But My good friend M suggested that I check it out again.


  63. Empire1
    63 | December 21, 2009 12:16 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Gee is there any news that in not depressing today?

    If you find some, please share it!


  64. vagabond trader
    64 | December 21, 2009 12:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I hear ya. Hubby is a cancer survivor, hes on $1500 a month worth of meds, pushing 60 and retires next year with a so called Cadillac Plan. Without the med coverage we cannot afford to lay out that kind of dosh.

    A pox on the lot of these demons.


  65. Carolina Girl
    65 | December 21, 2009 12:16 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    And I wish her a miracle that heals her. But if the court loses Ginsburg, it will only be a matter of Zero replacing one uber-lib with another uber-lib…..unless he thinks the Senate might not let him get away with it. I’d like to somehow think Sotomayor is going to be for us was Souter was for the Libs -- totally different than expected when the decision-making happens.


  66. vagabond trader
    66 | December 21, 2009 12:17 pm

    @ kansas:

    More likely Cass Sunstein, the most dangerous man in the administration.


  67. Speranza
    67 | December 21, 2009 12:18 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Ginsburg has pancreatic CA, never a great prognosis, worse at her age.

    That is a death sentence., I do not like her but I would not wish it on anyone.


  68. Nikis Knight
    68 | December 21, 2009 12:18 pm

    @ CarolinaJen:

    What happens when doctors are no longer excepting Medicaid patients? Will they be FORCED to?

    We polled 100 Senators… Top answer, 60%, Survey says… Screw the constition, those serfs are ours!


  69. newsjunkie_ky
    69 | December 21, 2009 12:18 pm

    @ savage:
    May be the only way we will be able to treat a fevah in our future.


  70. Speranza
    70 | December 21, 2009 12:19 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Rarely has any lib nominated to the Supremes flipped and become conservative. In fact I cannot think of one.


  71. Carolina Girl
    71 | December 21, 2009 12:19 pm

    <Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Amen, Dolly! We’ve got to cut this off. What do you think will happen with the so-called abortion concessions Ben Nelson sold his soul for? My bet is they don’t survive conference, but if they do there’s no way they survive this Court. And Obama isn’t likely to appoint a conservative if something were to happen to Justice Kennedy…

    Fist, I can’t remember the last time you called me “Dolly.”
    Oh, I mentioned on one of the other threads, sort of dead I think, that I’ve been privately emailing some dissatisfied Freepers that they might enjoy coming over here -- that they’d get a warm welcome. At the very least they get a Laurel wreath.


  72. vagabond trader
    72 | December 21, 2009 12:20 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Then you don’t want to know what I wish on every flipping statist neo commie in government,do you?


  73. RIX
    73 | December 21, 2009 12:20 pm

    kansas wrote:

    RIX, physician reimbursement is controlled by Medicare, Medicaid, and all HMO and PPO plans. And if the doc doesn’t like it, tough shit. And if they want to get together to collectively bargain, well they call that price fixing and a violation of the anti trust act punishable by prison terms. I shit you not.</blockquote

    Exactly & if Obama gets his Single Payer , which is really the ultimate goal, the governmant will control all provider reimbursement including hospitals.
    The government controls about half of the medical system now & the denial of care is twice the private sector.
    Doctors can opt out of PPO's etc now, but where do you go in a single payer system?


  74. vagabond trader
    74 | December 21, 2009 12:22 pm

    @ CarolinaJen:

    Hi Jen, long time no see! :-)


  75. Carolina Girl
    75 | December 21, 2009 12:22 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    If Obummer wanted Sunstein on the court, he should have put him up when Souter left rather than Sotomayor, because unless something happens this next year, there is no way that marxist piece of crap gets on the high court, especially after January 2010.


  76. BuddyG
    76 | December 21, 2009 12:24 pm

    Congressional Modus Operandi


  77. 77 | December 21, 2009 12:25 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    No, if the Republicans allow that then it is time to go hunting.


  78. 78 | December 21, 2009 12:26 pm

    Well, this looks like a place I am going to see today, since I am in Henderson NV.

    Henderson is also the site of the largest non-nuclear explosion in history.


  79. RIX
    79 | December 21, 2009 12:27 pm

    @ kansas:
    Yes, & if they eventually get the Single Payer , which is the ultimate goal, they will control all physician & hospital reimbursements.
    Let the Rationing begin. Palin was not wrong.


  80. vagabond trader
    80 | December 21, 2009 12:27 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    We’ll see if there are a couple “retirements” in 2010. My guess is they have been waiting until hellcare passes with the knowledge it will be challenged.Its the way they roll and yeah, I’m unapolgetically cynical.


  81. Doppelganger
    81 | December 21, 2009 12:28 pm

    Headline

    Cornhusker Cornholes US Taxpayers


  82. chickadee
    82 | December 21, 2009 12:29 pm

    I was out earlier, watching the hustle and bustle of happy shoppers and revelers, thinking how sinister it is that the bastards we have elected to represent us, are stubbornly forcing this unwanted crap down our throats, during the Christmas Season. It is such a maniacal thing to do. And these fckers are going to announce it as a ‘gift’ to us. It is a ‘present’ they can not deliver, but one we will pay dearly for.
    These bums should go to jail.


  83. vagabond trader
    83 | December 21, 2009 12:30 pm

    @ Doppelganger:

    Perfect.


  84. snork
    84 | December 21, 2009 12:32 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Are you pun proof?


  85. BuddyG
    85 | December 21, 2009 12:33 pm

    Mr Reid’s generosity


  86. 86 | December 21, 2009 12:33 pm

    This is a better video of the Pepcon Detonation.

    Pepcon manufactured ammonium perchlorate, a key ingredient in rocket fuel.


  87. Speranza
    87 | December 21, 2009 12:36 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Then you don’t want to know what I wish on every flipping statist neo commie in government,do you?

    Anything but cancer. Having lost a mother and had a sister stricken with cancer that is verboten to me.


  88. Speranza
    88 | December 21, 2009 12:37 pm

    @ snork:
    Nope.


  89. newsjunkie_ky
    89 | December 21, 2009 12:39 pm

    bhusseino is a fu*king liar.


  90. Nikis Knight
    90 | December 21, 2009 12:39 pm

    @ chickadee:
    We should bar congress from operating on fridays and holiday weeks so they can’t stick this stuff on days that a lot of us aren’t paying attention.


  91. buzzsawmonkey
    91 | December 21, 2009 12:39 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    @ Speranza:

    The entire society has been stricken with yeswe cancer.


  92. Speranza
    92 | December 21, 2009 12:41 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I think, that I’ve been privately emailing some dissatisfied Freepers that they might enjoy coming over here

    What’s going on at Free Republic?


  93. RIX
    93 | December 21, 2009 12:51 pm

    TEST


  94. snork
    94 | December 21, 2009 12:52 pm

    @ savage:

    They f***ed up royally if they had to call 911 and just said “everything is on fire”. Those people are idiots and have not business running a dangerous chemical plant. Morons like that give the industry a bad name. They should have had procedures on the shelf for all contingencies. That guy on the 911 tape sounded like he didn’t have a clue, and neither did the people who designed the place. Somebody should have gone to prison for that. There’s no excuse for being that unprepared.

    WTF did they expect the fire dept to do? They didn’t even meet with them in advance and go over what was in there. The could have just rolled in to their deaths. That was complete bullshit. Most chemical companies aren’t like that. Those assholes should by strung up by their scrota for being that clueless.


  95. PrincessNatasha
    95 | December 21, 2009 12:52 pm

    Morgan wrote:

    And on that list for 2010: my own senator, Evan Bayh.

    That schmuck needs to be tossed out on his fat ass. But then again, which one of these parasites doesn’t?


  96. vagabond trader
    96 | December 21, 2009 12:52 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Nope just a pox that perhaps may cause a senators pecker to fall off or a congresswomans botox infused mug to melt,or a simple infestation of insecticide resistant termites at the ill gotten Irish cottage.We’ve had enough cancer in my family and former professional life,would never wish that on anyone.

    Hey,if you get a chance please read my #89 from the China thread, tell me what you think.


  97. Carolina Girl
    97 | December 21, 2009 12:53 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Pelosi has stupidly stated that she won’t mind losing 40 seats if it means they pass Health Scare. My guess is she loses her majority and gets to take a seat on the bench permanently. I understand several House members have already stated that they won’t be seeking re-election -- which indicates to me that they know that they won’t BE re-elected as coming from conservative districts so why even go through the hassel of raising money, etc.?

    I’ve heard strategists say they will run locally against the Washington machine of Zero, Pelousy and Reid. And the interesting thing is, the Dems forget just what it was that put them in power in 2006 to begin with -- disgust by the conservatives and Libertarians that the elected GOP representatives were turning into tax and spend. They didn’t vote for the Dems, they just didn’t VOTE.

    Conservatives need to take back the party a la Reagan in 1980. A third party, nice as it sounds, is only going to give the election to the Dems -


  98. tanker on the horizon
    98 | December 21, 2009 12:56 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    If the Republicans retake Congress the first thing they should do is auction off Pelosi’s jet. Or mothball it in the Mojave desert.


  99. vagabond trader
    99 | December 21, 2009 12:59 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Local action could be one way to defeat this crew.Makes you wonder why some are so willing to sacrifice their seats. Fait accompli I guess,big fat peripheral job potential too.I have no interest in a third party, that would hand the dems victory for certain. Have you heard of Soros Secretary of Sate project? This is pure evil genius and must not be ignored.

    http://www.chronwatch-america.com/articles/6014/1/George-Soros-Eyes-quotSecretary-of-State-Projectquot/Page1.h


  100. Carolina Girl
    100 | December 21, 2009 12:59 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    I think, that I’ve been privately emailing some dissatisfied Freepers that they might enjoy coming over here
    What’s going on at Free Republic?

    Just some people are not happy with the tone of the board -- too many trolls, troofers coming in, that sort of thing.


  101. vagabond trader
    101 | December 21, 2009 1:00 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Same time we received our cheery little missive from USDA. No accident, nope.


  102. Speranza
    102 | December 21, 2009 1:04 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Hey,if you get a chance please read my #89 from the China thread, tell me what you think.

    I read it. It is entirely totalitarian.


  103. Speranza
    103 | December 21, 2009 1:05 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Just some people are not happy with the tone of the board – too many trolls, troofers coming in, that sort of thing.

    Maybe KKKillgore Torut is doing his moby thing.


  104. Carolina Girl
    104 | December 21, 2009 1:07 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Isn’t Soros wanted in a couple countries for some sort of currency manipulation. Looks like the Dems have been doing a good job protecting the two-legged bank.

    The trouble for Soros on the Sec of State project is that Soros really is a political idiot. Expose his contributions on the state level and watch his candidate go down. It’s become common knowledge that Franken stole the election in Minnesota and my guess is after his disgraceful behavior recently, the next time he runs it won’t even be close.

    Soros should be the SUBJECT of a Congressional investigation, but then I thought Zero’s campaign fundraising should have been totally scrutinized by the FEC the irregularities and bureaucratic complaints about the way his campaign ran their fundraising efforts would have forced a conservative out of the race.


  105. vagabond trader
    105 | December 21, 2009 1:08 pm

    @ Speranza:

    They will have to present us with a court order, no way no how are they going to find some fcking endangered slug in order to control my land.


  106. 106 | December 21, 2009 1:35 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    One of the asian countries has a death warrant on his head, can’t recall which though.


  107. vagabond trader
    107 | December 21, 2009 1:58 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Hes wanted in France I believe. The problem with all these RICO criminals is that the AG is sympatico with them. I’d love to see a return to the old 50s style unAmerican activities hearings.This bunch is custom made for them.


  108. Formercorpsman
    108 | December 21, 2009 2:25 pm

    The corruption of the democrats will mean nothing, if the republican leadership refuses to exploit it prior to the election cycle.

    What I mean by that, is not hyperbole. The RNC must develop a cogent strategy, a game plan of why it is bad, what the net effect will be, and how our kids will be responsible for paying this even before they are born. (If they are not aborted first)

    Like it or not, too many regular people have willingly divorced themselves from the reality, and decided to drink the cool aid. They are tripping on it now. They know more about Survivor, or some movie star’s sexual habits, that they do of their own Constitutional protections.

    In many ways, the RNC has an opportunity in front of them. A straight forward rebuttal, referencing what they have embodied, noting the infraction upon our birthright.

    That is, if they don’t fuck it up.


  109. 109 | December 21, 2009 2:39 pm

    I would like to know how it is different with the vote buying of dems by pos reid and pelosi and blagojevich? Hopefully someone will file charges against these bastards. Impeach them.


  110. Bill Jenkins
    110 | December 21, 2009 2:43 pm

    I planned on staying in Omaha, Nebraska while on a vacation this year. I just canceled those plans. If Nebraska can take a federal bribe, I can choose not to spend my money there.

    At least I can still go to the museum where I wanted to go to (UPRR Museum in Council Bluffs, Iowa.) I will just be staying on that side of the border. Not that their 2 career politicians are any better than Nelson. I can’t stand career politicians no matter the party.


  111. Canoe Convoy
    111 | December 21, 2009 3:14 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    We can only hope. We can also let our Elected Representatives get an earful about this wrong-headed, and just plain old flat out wrong, action. No matter what happens, we could even ask the Repubs to enact a sunset provision, or even repeal this thing outright.

    That would require overcoming a considerable amount of inertia, though.


  112. Nikis Knight
    112 | December 21, 2009 3:31 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Isn’t Soros wanted in a couple countries

    Not to mention unwanted in the rest.


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