One of the chief figures in the climategate debacle is Dr. Michael Mann of Penn State. Next to Jones, he was probably the most notorious and obnoxious. He, of course, is famous for the now long debunked MBH (Mann-Bradley-Hughes) “hockey stick” graph, made using goofy statistics and Californian trees.
Not knowing when to keep his mouth shut, he takes to the pen in this oped in the WaPo. If you have the time, look at the comments. The WaPo readers aren’t having any of it.
Particularly bizarre, illogical, and utterly left wing, is this:
Palin wrote that Alaska’s climate is changing but referred to “thawing permafrost and retreating sea ice” as “natural, cyclical environmental trends.” In fact, such changes are among the effects scientists predicted would occur as greenhouse gas levels increase.
In context, the statement doesn’t even fit. But it was red meat for the left-wing fanatics that he imagines that we all are. Could have just as easily come from a certain little green weenie. You can’t have a proper defense of the shenanigans at CRU without dragging Sarah Palin into it.
Steve McIntyre did a reasonable fisking of it at his blog here. The basic problem with the whole piece is that it’s a complete non-sequitur. It’s actually not a new argument, it’s basically the fake-but-accurate argument warmed over. But it does have an additional bit of fakery: the “independent lines of evidence” claim.
Here’s the short refutation of the “independent lines of evidence” argument: If these other lines of evidence were so robust, why does he hang on to his phony hockey stick by his fingernails?
Imagine that you’re on a jury. The prosecutor tells you that he has the sworn testimony of a drug-peddling pimp, and lots of other evidence that he doesn’t talk about. If the other evidence is so solid, why does he make the testimony of the pimp the centerpiece of his case?
Sorry, Mike. You already shot your best shot. Now your hockey stick goes down in history next to Piltdown Man. That was quite a meltdown, Mann.
Update: Mann is a victim.
Tags: climategate, Michael Mann, Sarah Palin, WaPo
Great reporting snork. I am trying my darnedest to get my friends and family to pay attention to all this. I don’t think a lot of folks understand how important it is!
Hola!
And why is this lying bastard still a Professor at PSU?? Shouldn’t he be practicing the line “DO you want to supersize that order for $.99 more????”
Their Gorebull warming lies have been exposed. They are becoming unhinged.
I bet all these conspirators are pulling their hair out and screaming. Think how frustrated these pos creeps must feel. They got so close to pulling off the hoax of the century. And such a big money maker for so many. Their hubris lost them riches, fame and glory. I LOL when I think of them scrambling to hide the warming, trying to stifle real factual information, shutting down debate, and acting like they alone ruled the inquiry. What a bunch of money grubbing huckster thugs. What they have done should land them in jail.
@ SciFiGuy:
It’s going to take years to clean out the AGW supporters from academia and government.
Much like the fighting on Iwo Jima, where the Marines had to hunt down every last Japanese soldier, and even then, they’d still turn up years later refusing to believe the war was over.
Maybe if their emperor, Algore the Not-So-Great, goes on TV and tells them to surrender…
The Palin insult seems like circular arguing. As an “additional” argument as to why he is right, he evidences his first argument.
He says, “mankind is warming the earth.” She says, “Actually, it is cyclic.” To which he responds, “Ha! She says it’s cyclic when we’ve said mankind is warming the earth.” Repeating your first argument does not bolster it.
Wow, Snork. You aren’t kidding about the comments! For the WaPo, too. That’s good news.
Hey! There may a challenger to the ocean acidification idea people have been floating around as the next Impending Disaster™ .
Check this comment:
“Time to move on your next fraud – ACD (anthropogenic continental drift). That is the big danger. We must increase the friction by pumping all the oil out of the earth and burning it.”
Okay, okay. Given that it has a productive solution, rather than a government imposed destructive one, it will never fly!
@ Silhouette:
They are obsessed with Palin.
SciFiGuy wrote:
Ah, would that it happened!
And if it did, from what I’ve seen of Mann’s creative math, I’m counting my change.
Silhouette wrote:
Of course his logic is circular. He studies tree RINGS for a living!!
Liar, Liar, Global warming pants on fire.
Rodan wrote:
They had all that obsession lying around that they weren’t using anymore. After Bush and Cheney went home.
HAAAA! It could be called a TREE RING CIRCUS!
Sorry couldn’t pass it up!
lobo91 wrote:
Algore isn’t going to tell them to give up. He is still saying polar bear numbers are declining and the earth’s core is 2 million degrees. He’s still spewing the crazy. . . ‘hopen’ he has a chance to be relevant.
Truth doesn’t matter to these idiots. In fact the truth is an inconvenient detail. Algore grimaces like he has been stabbed when he is informed that polar bears are no longer endangered. Wonder why that’s a problem for him.
ha ha ha
SciFiGuy wrote:
I’m glad I wasn’t drinking a coke.
Any association with Mann or the CRU should sully one’s climatology analysis. Not to be trusted.
@ orangecrush:
They are Propagandists, not Scientists.
@ Silhouette:
SO am I! I’m tired of having to replace monitors and keyboards!!
@ 15 chickadee: I have to wonder if Al Gore is into Alien and UFO belief systems?
@ Rodan:
She scares them. That is why they spend so much effort saying that she doesn’t scare them.
@ orangecrush:
I don’t think he is . But , I will ask my SIL. She is Al Gore’s niece
wolfie wrote:
FYI
http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=1668
orangecrush wrote:
FYI
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/-224413–.html?pic=1
LOL, quite possible. I really do think that after he lost the election to Pres. Bush he suffered a break down.
Now, losing this opportunity to be somebody (also get $$$) could be the final nail in his fragile sanity.
He is going to be so irrelevant so soon.
****
orangecrush wrote:
@ SciFiGuy:
Damn, man, you’re related to Algore? Man, that must suck! Like being related to John Wayne Gaycee without the hope of the death penalty…
Maybe O/T but so timely… Mr. Smith Goes to Washington starts on TCM in about 1/2 hour.
Back to lurking…
@ SciFiGuy:
wow, small world.
@ chickadee
He runs from Philem all the time.
@ Iron Fist:
ONLY BY MARRIAGE!! NO BLOOD!!
SciFiGuy wrote:
No blood for Gore!
I thinks I broked it.
@ SciFiGuy:
What does your SIL think of Gore?
@ Bunk X:
Now that makes two places I’ve read about it!
Sounds like a consensus to me! Science™ !
wolfie wrote:
The debate is over. Now we’re gotta do something about it ASAP. Hand me your wallet.
@ Bunk X:
I got a better idea. The Global Winch™.
@ snork:
@ Bunk X:
We are causing tectonics shifts! I swear the science is settled.
snork wrote:
Combined with The Global Ring Clamp™, that just might work. Gimme your wallet, too.
@ Bunk X:
No, you give me your wallet, a couple bottles of vodka, and a Copenhagen hooker, and I’ll give you the secret to the wind-powered Global Winch™.
Rodan wrote:
We’re doing all we can. Euro finds us repulsive.
/
I’ll fix it. Where’s my Illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator™?
snork wrote:
I can do the vodka, but the Copenhagen Global Wench™ is gonna cost you. Tell you what. If we pool our money, we can create Global Rustoleum™ for maintenance.
snork wrote:
Look behind the couch. That’s where I find things, mixed in with the cat stuff.
@ Bunk X:
My Illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator™ is in the litter box? Ewwwww! Now I’m going to have to decontaminate my Illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator™!
@ Rodan:
She and AL are on opposite sides of the spectrum both ecologically and politically. His professional persona vs. his private life are much different also.
My brother was a Major in the Marines who worked as the Liaison Officer for presidential inauguration events back in ’04.
@ snork:
I believe that if you check the avatar IT MINE!!!! End of story.
@ 24 Bunk X: lol
i thin this man made global warming eventually will be exposed as one of the biggest frauds ever.
@ Speranza:
From your computer to Gods printing press!
snork wrote:
I wouldn’t worry too much. The Q-36 is a pretty state-of-the-art model. It’ll just smell kinda stinky the first coupla times you fire it.
The warmists always, always, whenever one set of data is challenged, fall back on “overwhelming” other data. They are so multitudinous, so big, so intuitively scary, that it is OVERWHELMING. No need to say any more; just gibber out: acid oceans, icecaps, glaciers, polar bears, rising seas, coral reefs, migrating birds, early fruit, mosquitoes, hurricanes…
Take out any one item on that list as being within cyclical “norms” and you are told the other data are OVERWHELMING.
Snork, how about producing a list with each item showing the scare story and the reality. The whole case is underwhelming.
@ Overlook:
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
What is the atomic weight of these lies,
The prior lies of atomic amounts too weigh in now,
Mushroom clouds of lies seeding the CO2 fraud.
How do the chalk pillars of the Progressive Democrats hold now,
Man this Mann got some scales on his scaley person,
The lies so heavy, such high flying high lies by high ones,
The lies so tight theaded together with machine like rivits,
yet the weight, the stress, the rivits pop, the sides heave,
True lies by John F. Kerry on board, True lies of Los Alamos lab
by Bill Clinton enable ones of China lost from the L.A. embasy,
The lies of Reid, Pelosi and the Telepromter Telacaster liar of all time B. Obama, now split the seams well below the water line.
Odd that cold water rushes in, Odd that snow is on the deck as the
last songs are strummed by the Progressive Last Lost Orchestration of
the Soros out of tune Commie Climate Line by Line Lie.
So, heavy, and no one comes to help, only more tons of truth piled on.
Break you liars, Break and soon.
ps
Mr. Mann, “man up”, your the one who self denies rational thought.
like that
Speranza wrote:
I hope you’re right, but what I fear is that even when it is exposed, they’ll get off scott-free. “You know, they meant well. They were just trying to save the planet.” NOBODY will hold them accountable.
SciFiGuy wrote:
It will, it has to be.
Is there anyone here that still has a sock at the evil place? here is a video of CfnJ’s climate-change “authority”, Elizabeth May, totally losing it in an exchange with Bjorn Lomborg during the Munk Debate on Climate change last month. May and moonbat Numero Uno George Monbiot took on Nigel Lawson and Bjorn Lomborg, in front of a largely leftist audience, but by all accounts, the alarmists were handily defeated.
Here:
Semi OT, but it dovetails with the thread topic well.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091221/D9CO04700.html
Insert Clever Name Here wrote:
It reminds me of the great heterosexual AIDs square of the late 1980′s.
Sheesh. here.
And moreover. The scientific community has not lost its collective wits. But they are showing undue deference to what is essentially a cooked up “studies” program, like all the politically motivated psuedo-sciences. A group of environmentalists set up “environmental studies” departments, which soon had “climate studies” offspring.
Like “women’s studies”, climatology is accorded the status of science, but is in fact ideology. It exists to prove a point of view.
When the lid is lifted on their methods, there is often fudging, or downright suppression of findings. Christina Hoff Summers exposed the feminists who suppressed their findings (that girls were not being intimidated in class) because their cause was too important.
One of the important outcomes of the email expose is that true scientists will now wake up to the fact that they have allowed frauds to masquerade as scientists. Statisticians and mathmeticians – and some physicists and geologists have woken up already.
PI<F – scare not square
taxfreekiller wrote:
What he said.
Insert Clever Name Here wrote:
The Left is never held accountable. Never.
Left means never having to say you’re sorry.
Speranza wrote:
I think so too. People are fed up with lies and deceit. These hoaxers aren’t scientists. They had a scam and tried to twist and force the truth into falsehoods to ‘prove’ their fraud. The public is waking up to these thieves. AGW is now a tainted laughable concept.
@ Bunk X:
Brilliant. Thank you for that link. Bookmarked. 690 fictions. Has anyone tried to link this on the Wally’s site?
Work with a PHD’d geologist who buys into the global warming crap. We had a serious discussion the other day after the CRU email story broke. I asked him a very basic set of questions;
1. Has the Earth ever been hotter than it was in 1998?
2. What caused this heating?
3. What caused it to cool and by how much?
4. Was man the cause of these events?
He got pissed and left…..
@ taxfreekiller:
Climate is in flux.
Gullible human beings
Wrongly take credit.
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
Unreal. There are no words. Un-fing-real.
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
Another good one. A classic.
@ SciFiGuy:
Damn few geologists buy into the AGW nonsense, We are trained to be conscious of the great changes that Earth has undergone over the span of geologic time. There have been times when Earth was entirely free of polar ice. CO2 has been over 100 ppm. And those times were marked by a great burgeoning of all kinds of life on both land and sea.
Drat! make that 1000 ppm.!
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
YOU have got to be kidding me! Is/was that for reals????
@ SciFiGuy:
Was he overwhelmed?
So many screws loose, so few who want to grab a screw-driver.
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
Yea I know, He’s a full blown San Fran loving lib! AND ADMITS IT!! Wears it on his sleeves.
Speranza wrote:
I remember that. Every new report said a million more were infected in the U.S. When the actual numbers started dropping among the gay male population, due mainly to preventative measures and the attrition of the infected, the Surgeon General redefined AIDS to include a bunch of female-related auto-immune disorders. Guess what? The number of cases jumped up to where they wanted them to be.
So… The solution to proving global warming is increasing at an alarming rate is to redefine the term “degree.”
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
Don’t you DARE say there’s no Great Pumpkin!
@ Overlook:
Being that I have all of a 12th Grade edumacation and work with 3 PHd’s, 3 Master Degreed Chemistists, and one other degreed chemist, well YES, he was.
I design and build all the weird machines and apparatus that these guys need for their experiments. I have to be a very fast read.
Question: Every time there is a snow storm, something must happen to the “residual” heat “stored” by CO2 in the locality. Yet much of the warmist argument depends on the build-up of this residual heat globally over time. Can anyone direct me to a physicist’s response?
@ snork:
Only in Quebec..
Bunk X wrote:
Ha! That’s funny.
Bunk X wrote:
What do you think all the “adjustments” are all about? The “homogenization”?
Overlook wrote:
It gets sent to Germany with the hunger from the Snickers commercials!
(Sorry, Couldn’t resist)
tfk has a sock still
but cj is on the hunt
got to be very careful now
he and most of them read
here every day, they
see the links, they
check it out, as does cj
that is how he gets advance
research done and reacts to
post, he uses the resources here…
like that
@ Overlook:
The CO2 doesn’t store heat. I think you’re confusing it with the latent heat of the water vapor, which is given up to form clouds, and then more is given up again to make snow. The heat into the air, but up where the clouds are, not on the ground.
@ snork:
You’ve got a point there. That’s exactly what they’ve been doing all along.
BRB. Daughter needs to harvest crops on Farmville or something.
@ SciFiGuy:
Sure was. Here’s a link to the introduction, and in the “related” sidebar, you can find subsequent segments.
so
whats up with all that
http://www.wattsupwiththat.com
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
SLOWLY SHAKES HEAD and says “FUCK!! I’ve got to get out more!!!
@ snork:
No. I put “store” in quotes. Warmists claim that the radiation that is not reflected back into space – that is “absorbed” by CO2 – contributes to temperature rise. They also claim that the more CO2, the more the rise (even though logarithmic). They use “store” metaphorically. Further, that this builds a rising heat trend (currently being “masked” by oceanic oscillations ). I have not seen a coherent explication of the physics of this, but I though there may be a coherent critique of it. And I do not count the ever-repeated “greenhouse gas blanket effect” as a cogent analysis of the build up over time scenario.
Been a long day already, Will be on most of tomorrow as today was my last day of work for the year!! CAN U SAY PARTY???
Nite all!!
@ Overlook:
“Store” is just plain wrong. What it does is slow down the escape. By how much is the big question, without getting into a 10-page dissertation.
Just listened to Nigel Lawson’s opening remarks. I’m liking this guy a lot.
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
Man is causing tectonic plate shifts! The Science is settled!
/
@ Rodan:
Just get you some Tectonic Poligrip! That will stop your tectonic plates from shifting.
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
I’m surprised they haven’t floated that theory yet
Rodan wrote:
You’re drifting from the topic. I thought we were talking about Teutonic Plates.
@ Bunk X:
Ha ha ha ha ha!
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
That’s it! I can’t take the demeaning. I would advise you to stay in the Great White North. Any trip into the US will find you being served with a supenea to answer charges of Toothiness.
OT: Ahmed and Salim’s Christmas Episode!
My Gawd! Elizabeth is such a tedious speaker. Sounds like the worst college lecturer I’ve ever endured.
Di you know she’s a single mother? Proof positive of the awesome power of beer goggles.
OT:
A Congressman from Michigan DOES have his head on straight.
@ Macker:
Ha ha ha ha ha, this is too funny!
from the comments in the linked article:
Interesting point, no?
@ LanceKates:
This guy is speaking the truth
@ LanceKates:
1 MILLION UPDINGS!
@ Insert Clever Name Here:
They are Fanatical Fascists.
Overlook wrote:
That sounds so comfy…. think about it… a greenhouse gas blanket.
It’s better than a Snuggie!
@ Macker:
man, not a million…
dude, I have to pay taxes on those!
Nothing beats alehouse gases!
If rich men and women never had heart troubles [in our free society] we wouldn’t have high tech pacemakers and stints and other life systems for anyone.
waldensianspirit wrote:
So, since rich men and women [in our free society] also get intestinal polyps, we have them to thank for colonoscopies?
George Monbiot is actually an engaging speaker. He does a good job of presenting the warmist viewpoint.
@ Bunk X:
better a little camera than someone’s arm, feeling around.
I see the stupid fucktard at LGF has got another “The Sky is Falling” thread up.
Well, if rich bastards like Al Gore and all those Jazz Musicians that actually made any money didn’t pollute the planet by jetting off to Bolivia in the summer to ski on the worlds highest glacier thus producing greenhouse gas that warmed the planet and melted the glacier that they now cannot ski on they would still be able to ski there!
That guy that runs Little Green Footballs is such an asshole.
Things would have been much better over there if Charles had just left and let the Ballet Dancer run the place.
Just finished watching the Fox climate special from last night. It’s on again Wednesday. Recommended.
you know, with all our advancements, I’m suprised that they don’t have some sort of pill you can take….. it breaks down in your intestine….. releases a camera that takes pictures from all angles and does nothing but take pictures and beam them to a storage bank that you’d keep with you for one day, then out goes the camera when you use the restroom.
That way they get all the pictures, but don’t need to do the whole ‘up the bum’ thing.
@ Bunk X:
Welcome to the five-year voyage of the starship Colonprise; it’s mission to go where no man has gone before.
OT,
Iron Maiden can still knock them out of the park:
@ Possum:
Well, there was a time that Greenland was Green….. I can’t imagine that the world’s weather patterns change…. I mean, that’s only caused by man driving cars and eating beef, and we’ve only done both of those since the early 1900′s.
@ LanceKates:
Lance, I think that is soon going to be the way it gets done.
LanceKates wrote:
Can we go back to moving German plates around?
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
Depends on the man.
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
I also think that we could have nanobots that’d feed on the crap that clogs arteries….. have a program that lets them work for X days/weeks then they shut down and eventually get absorbed by the body or passed out as waste.
I’ve also thought that, rather than having to cut someone open to replace their pacemaker battery, have a plate inserted below the skin so that once a week or month they wear a belt across their chest to bed, which plugs in and charges the pacemaker via magnetic fields.
@ LanceKates:
Ooh. He’s dripping weasels.
Bunk X wrote:
Can we go back to moving German plates around?
Sure, I have the whole David Hasselhof collection from Knight Rider to Baywatch.
Oh, not THOSE plates…
@ Bunk X:
I should print up that photo on glossies and mail it to PETA.
@ LanceKates:
Those both sound like good ideas, and the latter one is eminently practical with today’s technology.
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
I’m (basically) an only child, single and so I have alot of time on my hands to think of stuff.
Of course we could power pacemakers with little nuclear batteries that would last for 50 years or more.
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
Pfft, we can’t power our HOMES with nuclear power, I don’t think they’ll let pacemakers get it… imagine the bad press:
“Get a chernobyl put in your chest by buying my competitor’s product, how do YOU know it won’t melt down?”
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
But then any flatulence would be pure water vapor, a major greenhouse gas. Gotta get the media on your side first.
LanceKates wrote:
A fitting end to the “Meltdown Mann” thread.
@ Bunk X:
That’s easy, we’ll make one that is powered by hemp.
How about a pacemaker that is powered by HUMP. You could get Jenna Jameson to endorse it.
LanceKates wrote:
He was my favorite Stooge.
@ Bunk X:
Now that’s funny.
PZ Myers’s last post on this was on 19 December. He’s quoting a propaganda cartoon. The cartoon is “the bottom line”.
The setting is the “climate summit”. It has the Leftist caricature of the skeptic – middle aged angry white man – saying “what if it’s all a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?” Next to him there is a black woman turned around in unhappy incredulity. Meanwhile the presenter is showing a slide of all the benefits of … well, the reader can’t be sure. What could be a “hoax” about a general “climate summit”? The cartoon doesn’t say.
So the reader has to conclude that skeptics are against “healthy children”, “livable cities”, “sustainability”, “green jobs”, “energy independence” and a generally “better world”. Because they’re white conservatives. And insufficiently sensitive in the presence of minorities.
This is an attempt to change the subject. The cartoon knows that the game is over. The cartoon has to fall back on that promise of that “better”, socialist world; and on the caricature of skeptics as reactionaries and evil.
Les jeux sont faits.
(At least scienceblogs still has GNXP, or else it would be a total waste of a DNS registry.)
The definitive AGW interview from Lord Monkton
Worth a few minutes watching as he sets out the scam chapter and verse and Names Names and calls them what they are.
http://vimeo.com/8023097
Well, he might be right, and I for one am really worried. Check this out.
US Weather Bureau Report
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen , Norway . Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.
I’m sorry, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post.
Oh and I forgot. Sarah Palin is a liar.