This is either the most incredible act of chutzpah or ignorance from this administration yet.
From Politico: Napolitano: “The system worked”
It’s a short article, so I’ll quote the whole thing:
DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said that the thwarting of the attempt to blow up the Amsterdam-Detroit flight this week demonstrated that “the system worked.”
Asked by CNN’s Candy Crowley on “State of the Union” how that could be possible when the young Nigerian who sought to set off the bomb was able to smuggle explosive liquid onto the flight, Napolitano responded: “We’re asking the same questions.”
Napolitano added that there was “no suggestion that [the bomber] was improperly screened.”
And what “system” is this? Individual initiative of a passenger? Incompetence of a jihadi?
And what precisely does that last sentence mean? That everything is hunky-dorey because he wasn’t profiled?
Napolitano needs to meet the bus. It’s bad enough when you’re ideologically blinkered, but she’s a general purpose moron on top of it.
Hat tip: Bumr50
Update: See also Great Ball of Fire! Heh.
Update 2: Peter King rebukes Napolitano (hattip to Goddessoftheclassroom)
Tags: CNN, Janet Napolitano, Politico
הראשון?
I’m praying that this at last is the tipping point.
“The system worked” – a passenger jumped the terrorist.
Wouldn’t dogs be able to sniff out an explosive liquid? I saw on tv where one dog was able to smell coke enclosed in a pressurized gas shipment.
“the system worked.”
Right, the civilian passenger did what he did because he had more balls than the current administration and not worried about insulting the religion of pieces.
That is such BS that she thinks the system “worked”. I can’t believe anyone would say that. I’d be looking at how this guy slipped through…inside job? Luckily for that flight, the guy was an inept terrorist…
Rep. Peter King’s response
Beltfed wrote:
What Beltfed said!
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
I agree.
Lucky one guy on the flight wasn’t afraid of being “politically correct” and jumped that asshole…were the rest of the passengers scared into submission or did they just not register what was going on? The guy who acted and took down the wanna-be bomber is a hero in my book and has some cajones. Good for him!
What. The. Hell. The system worked? How much fail can there be in such a small sentence? Just crank up the CD and start asking the politicians what color the sky is in their world.
M, apparently I don’t have update privileges. I think the link in #6 (GotC) should be added as an update. Can you?
“The system worked”
“Peace in our time”
“The check is in the mail”
savages_girl wrote:
Lucky also that his scroticles were on fire. He was an easy target with his groin being barbecued. The fact that that one guy had to go over several others is disturbing.
No need to insult morons, I have a great deal of respect for the average moron.
Fellow Blogophiles – have a great day. Gotta go. BBL…
unclassifiable wrote:
“Obama’s going to pay my mortgage.”
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
From the link:
The news said the White House called it an act of terrorism. Wow. Really. And something to the effect that He ordered that the strictest security measures be in place. Good to know he’s on top of things.
@ snork:
I wonder who was sitting next to him.
When I last flew (2007), I swore to myself that if anyone tried anything, I would take him (or her) down even if I died trying.
@ snork:
Well, you know those third degree burns the guy suffered? If I was the doc I’d give him a few aspirins a day.
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
I love Peter King. He is a real Patriot much like John Bolton. We need more people like this running in 2010.
Oh and thank you so much for keeping the prayer list. That is such a wonderful uplifting thing that you do.
Of course the system worked, it was the bomb that didnt work. The system worked because he was suppose to blow up that airplane, Obama and company desperately need a tragedy to distract the American people from Obamacare……..
@ chickadee:
{chickadee}
You are so kind. Keeping this list is an honor and a privilege.
“The system worked”
Truthfully, I expect nothing different from people that still believe that dialogue with the worlds most disgusting of dictators, and murderous tyrants would work.
Its all unicorns, rainbows, and teddy bears for the Obama Administration.
Realty is not a part of their world view.
With the actions of the idiot shoe bomber, security tightened up and all shoes had to be removed and placed in the bin for xray.
Now all passenger will have to remove their drawers and place then in the bins.
All passengers will be required to sit still, feet flat on the floor and hands in full view of the flight attendant.
Happy happy, joy joy.
Abdulmutallab finished an engineering course at the University College London last year, but a fresh visa request was refused in May after he applied for a bogus course, Whitehall sources said.
Nigeria’s This Day newspaper reported family members as saying that Abdulmutallab’s father was uncomfortable with his son’s extreme Islamic views.
Mr Mutallab was said to have reported his activities to the US embassy in Abuja as well as Nigerian security agencies.
mjazz wrote:
To increase the bleeding.
BBL
“the system worked.”
In the 0 administration’s eyes it did work. They believe the ‘stimulus’ is working, GM is a success, and the won’s favorables are through the roof.
@ snork @ 16:
“Fill my pickup with gas.”
I hope they read him his rights.
@ Beltfed:
The system is broken….as it is always playing the “defeat the last terrorist game”, instead of being proactive. It seems that we are fighting Terrorism with a wait-and-see mentality.
Meanwhile at the funny farm, another hat tip to Andrew Sullivan. Are they like…**** buddies or something?
mjazz wrote:
I’m guessing they did since he has asked for a public defender…
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/12/after-passenger-saves-plane-from-terrorist-bombing-new-rules-require-heroic-passengers-to-stay-seated-during-last-hour-of-flight/
This administration is totally insane. There is not a competent person in the whole bunvh. Not one of them has any common sense.
Beltfed wrote:
So are we going to have to remove our balls and run them through the x-ray machine now?
My sister’s bro-in-law is such a liberal that when I mentioned this incident he said of course they’ll (meaning conservatives) use this to criticize Obama.
@ mjazz @ 19:
I’d go one step further,
Mr, Achmed I have bad news for you, your balls were burned beyond treatment so we cut them off.
Nothing worked but the courage of one man. Look at these bastards trying to discount that lone person who saved 300 others. Zero and his cronies who can’t say terror for fear of offending the monster who crispy fired his junk, are just plain stupid to the point of being as dangerous as this charred junk jihadi.
Let them keep talking around the issue, bowing to evil, doing p.c contortions. Most people want to stay alive, it is becoming obvious that our lefty pols don’t give a shite abt. what happens to us, as long as they think they are ingratiating themselves to monsters.
Bottom line, is that we are all looking into the face of the beasts who now circle the free world. Prepare yourselves. There could easily come a time when you alone stand between hideous destruction and saving lives. The libs in power do NOT have our backs.
@ WrathofG-d:
Actually we have returned to 9/10 and are treating terrorism as a law enforcement problem and not a military problem. Morons can’t digest the lessons of 9/11 and want to double down on stupid.
His own father reports him to the US Embassy and they let him on a plane anyway. Headed to the US.
@ doriangrey:
He wanted to be left in a room with an American solider?
WrathofG-d wrote:
I wish that were what they were doing, sadly I believe that they have calculated that the terrorists cant actually do any genuine serious damage to America but periodically reducing security allows some to get through and perpetrate acts of terrorism that allows them to keep the threat of terrorism as a tool for destroying liberty and freedom and eroding constitutionally guaranteed rights.
Beltfed wrote:
Heh heh heh… Fix’t that fer ya…
Send him to Gitmo!!! He isn’t an American citizen, put him there with his buds.
What is the purpose of a new rule that passengers must remain in their seats for the last hour of the flight? How the hell is that supposed to stop a terrorist?!!? I can’t for the life of me see how that rule solves anything.
Well, maybe it would deter private citizens from getting up to
stop a terroristharass an activist.@ 88Cid:
I am really beginning to believe that it really is an emotional/intellectual acceptance issue which we are mostly dealing with. It is amazing how difficult it has been for many Americans/Westerners to accept that there is an Islamist Army out there which wants to destroy us, and do us harm. Their refusal to accept this highly uncomfortable reality doesn’t allow them to grasp at the things which are going to keep them alive, but instead they will bend over backwards, and otherwise to avoid this reality. I really believe the problem is psychological, and pervasive. They have been so spoiled by safety, success, and indoctrination of a “perfect world” that we are having difficulty grasping this truly inconvenient truth regarding Islamist Terrorism.
“the system has worked”
Maybe this is where Global Warming hysteria is coming from. Maybe its a response because of this mental anguish of having to grasp that there are bad guys out there, that the leftists need a diversion to which they can control, fix, and as they actually say “save the entire world”. Notice that “saving the world” with Global Warming is implementing every Leftist ideal, and is pretty, neat, and comes down to them!
Hmmmmm….I just might be on to something…
What the suspect failed to realize was that in order for that particular type of explosive to ignite successfully it has to be packed up the rectum as far as possible.
The system worked because the plane didn’t blow up. The fact that someone managed to smuggle explosives onto the a/c, a man whose own father warned us about him, doesn’t matter.
God, doesn’t the bamster have ANYONE competent in his entire administration?
@ WrathofG-d:
The Republicans are the true enemies of America you see. Those Islamists are merely noble savages righting all the wrongs perpetrated against them.
I hope and pray such an attack will never succeed, but if it does, BHO will own it no matter what. It will be his Katrina.
@ 88Cid:
So Obama sides with the Moslem terrorists.
Color me surprised.
/
Well just as I do not respect speed limit laws, this one is also to be disregarded.
@ mfhorn:
Nope, no one, and a fish rots from the head first.
Our “distinguished” DHS Secretary’s response is yet another confirmation that we are dealing with a whole new level of stupid.
@ 88Cid:
And the GOP was the epitome of the “Culture of Corruption”? The shame is that the system has always been one where patronage, not competence, was rewarded.
@ 88Cid:
You are making a joke, but I believe that is exactly it actually. They can only see Western wrongs – specifically American wrongs. They actually cannot mentally grasp that something other than the West/U.S. can do wrong. As result of College/educational media propagandizing?
@ mjazz:
Which is surprising since such concepts are well known in that culture./
Napolitano claiming she was misunderstood in 5…4…3…
OT:BTW: All heck is breaking loose in Iran again.
WrathofG-d wrote:
Darn it-don’t they know 0 is on vacation and all these crises are messing up his golf time?
@ WrathofG-d:
I agree, and I wasn’t joking when I said that. To today’s Democrat elites, Republicans are the enemy. Consider that little manifesto that leaked out a while back about who to watch our for. It wasn’t Islamists, it was veterans, and anything right wing.
@ WrathofG-d:
I agree– that regime is not long for this world. Call me a foolish optimist, but you might see the Muslim Renaissance start with the overthrow of the mullahs.
The system did work; they were politically correct all the way.
@ 88Cid:
It all started when Jefferson hit them back.
it’s true, nappy is a moron. i should know too having lived with the idiot as governor of Arizona. We were quite glad to be rid of her (have you seen the deficit she left us with??) but it wasn’t a great joy knowing that she’d now be helping to ruin the entire country.
calcajun wrote:
From your mouth to God’s ears.
livefreeor die wrote:
You can take that to the bank. I expect it’s going to be something like “the fact that he had to smuggle this thing in his balls shows you that we’ve very successfully kept the guns off the planes”.
88Cid wrote:
‘Noble savages’? What a racist thing to say. They’re freedom fighters.
//
@ snork:
She’s going to get dizzy from all the spinning she’ll be doing in the next 24 hours. 0 probably put her in complete charge of this so he can eat his waffle.
Gonna go get my exercise. Never know now whether you may have to reach out and pull with all you’ve got. It’s getting to be a hell of lot more dangerous world now.
Laterz.
WrathofG-d wrote:
Wish I knew why, it’s either because the Iranian people think they are about to get bombed into oblivion maybe even nuked by Israel, or they think the current government is to moderate and not acting quickly enough to eliminate Israel. Sadly my suspicion is the later not the former.
@ mfhorn:
I suppose the irony of the concept of “Muslim” freedom fighter is lost on many people given that Islam means submission.
@ calcajun:
Not foolish at all, considering Iran is where a lot of today’s radical Islamism came from about 30 years ago.
calcajun wrote:
Thats not irony, its self inflicted stupidity…
snork @ 32:
The way cj is going forward with his lefty propaganda he didn’t want to leave his buddy “behind”.
Ow. Chuck’s old partner Roger Simon:
@ WrathofG-d:
That is great news. And in a characteristic display of decisiveness and his ability to respond quickly to changes in world events, Obama should have a statement and plan of action in, say, two or three months, give or take a week or two.
Beltfed wrote:
cough cough cough… heh heh heh… I’m sooo bad today…. lol…lol…lol…
mjazz wrote:
Shhhhhh! Don’t be letting out scientific technology they might glean from theblogmocracy! This is an open forum on Al Gore’s internet and a google search might hit it.
@ snork:
I wonder when many Dems will realize that they are in an abusive relationship with the leaders of their party.
88Cid @ 34:
Yep, close the barn door after the horses escaped.
@ calcajun:
I’ll tell ya, the women over there sometimes to have more cojones than the men.
snork @ 35:
CJ’s new job ??
doriangrey @ 43:
Oink oink, lol
Atlas has several very in depth articles about what happened on the flight and how he got on without having proper papers. She also has pictures and video of the chaos going on in Iran.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/
WrathofG-d wrote:
I’m less optimistic. What do the power brokers want to happen in Iran?
Nothing from this coward in the WH, no Christmas message, nothing about the third jihadi act on our soil this year.Now these pointless new rules about staying put in your seat whilst another jihadi finishes what this one did not because of the heroics of one man. bho gonna buy us all headstones the next time?
I was astounded that when this story broke all the cable news networks did not mention Islam, including Fox. wth?? Acceptable loss to prove how pc we are? Unacceptable!!
Senators Leiberman and Spectar advocating greater erosion’s of constitutional rights to fight terrorists, this is what this terrorist attack was really all about all along.
@ mjazz:
*seem to have
Beltfed wrote:
Oh dear… No 72 virgins for him now…..
@ vagabond trader:
Well, gee, what does religion have to do with it?/
@ mjazz:
Unfortunately President Obama has already weighed in on this issue – he sided with the Regime.
Remember, he didn’t want to get involved with another Countries internal issues (except Israel or Honduras) or something like that.
mjazz wrote:
Who’s going to do the “how to” vid on that?
I feel that the Iranians would adapt well to a western style democracy. We should bombard them with the example of the Carnation Revolution, via emails etc.
So this POS Zero POTUS basically thought flight 93 was just wrong!
I hope this POS gets what’s coming to him.
breaking…more crap in Detroit
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581232,00.html
@ mawskrat:
another Nigerian
WrathofG-d wrote:
Yep. Those stupid rebels really screwed up the lovely speeches and photo-ops he had planned for ‘peace-making’ in Teheran.
@ WrathofG-d:
We are right next door in Iraq too. But the Democrats aren’t into liberating people.
@ mawskrat:
Respect the muzz. Respect above all else.
mawskrat wrote:
Yes, but there is just something that connects all these attempts at murder, mayhem, destruction and terrorism that I just cannot put my finger on…
Osama Bin Laden, Fahd Mohammed Ahmed Al-Quso, Jude Keenan Mohammad, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, Husayn Al-Umari, Wadoud Muhammad Hafiz Al-Turki, Jamal Saeed Abdul Rahim, Muhammad Abdullah Khalil Hussain Ar-Rahayyal, Adam Yahiye Gadahn, Muhammad Ahmed Al-Munawar, Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, Ahmed Mohammed Hamed Ali, Ramadan Abdullah Mohammad Shallah, …
hmmmmmm
@ mjazz:
We’re also right next door in Barksdale AFB, Louisiana.
THe Democrats have been quite clear folks. They said right from the off that they considered that Islamo-fascism is a law and order issue. Thereby removing it from the affairs of the security agencies who could actually pose a real threat to the Islamo-fascists. Obama knows that mere law and order Peace Officers can’t stop islamic terror and that is why the Demmicrats are doing what they are doing.
What part of stupid can’t everyone understand/
WrathofG-d wrote:
Heh, my mind says “Islam”, but my heart says “Satan”. Methinks both may be correct.
I think they maybe just misunderstanders of some religion
@ WrathofG-d:
Racial profiler! What about the atrocities committed by Catholic nuns (in the past 100 years)? How many broken wrists did they cause by forcing naturally left-handed kids to write with the right hand?
Sen. Max Baucus Drunk on the Senate Floor
MacDuff wrote:
Impossible, my CAIR outreach official has informed me that Islam is 100% a Religion of Peace, and any acts of violence done in the name of Mohammad the War Cheif, um….”prophet” is actually a sin against Islam.
Furthermore, this cannot be true as we all know that Islam is a monotheistic reilgion, like Judaism and Christianity and thus all the other tenants of these different religions must be the same. I would take the time to actually read the Koran, but my official CAIR political outreach associate has done the work for me and assures me that I don’t have the time.
Anyway, all religions are the same so…
/
@ mjazz:
mind stuck with ethanol glue
@ WrathofG-d:
The infidel can never understand the truth of Quran unless you read Arabic and attend a madrassas./
@ mjazz:
Probably found Teddy’s liquor stash
mjazz wrote:
You would think that the same rules for driving a car would apply to fundamentally changinging the nature of our free market system.
You would be wrong.
Disgraceful.
I read the first fifty-ish comments on POLITICO and they were all anti-Janet. Someone even referred to Obama as “Crappy Nappy”. Wonder how long that will be up?
Right now Charles is disowning/denouncing/littlegreenfootstamping everyone who’s ever linked to POLITICO.
Get off my blog!
@ vagabond trader:
The truth, even though I brought up the religious angle, is that one should profile Muslims not based on the fact that they are Muslim but simply because that is where the threat is coming from. Although admittedly a thin line, one does not have to attack Islam in general to pin-point Muslims for the threat.
As much as one should not use Islam as a cause for attack, it cannot be a shield either. Especially in the face of the overwhelming evidence that the threat comes from those who follow Islam.
@ Abu Bin Squid:
More dwindle.
I cant help but think that most of our issues with these Moslem terrorists arise from the idiots in our society that pretend that all religions are equal. Christians are just as bad as Moslem terrorists, also known as the American taliban, fantasy bullshit.
Thus they hate everything remotely American.
@ WrathofG-d:
Yes by all means lets give them the benefit of the doubt./
I wonder how many were on that plane and just sat there, shrugging their shoulders silently whispering Inshallah.
@ bar:
Add to that:
President Carter established the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Present Clinton established the Islamic Republic of Bosnia.
President Bush established the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, Islamic Republic of Iraq and Islamic Republic of Gaza.
@ vagabond trader:
I hope you didn’t understand that to be my point. It wasn’t. I was really only stating that when one is looking for red head terrorists, it is reasonable to look for red heads.
Thus the fact that they are Muslim should not be used as a shield from pretty standard, and reasonable anti-Terrorism methods.
I’ve said this many times, but the reality is that if instead it were Jewish Terrorists who desired to destroy the United States, and taking the actions in furtherance of that desire, I would expect Jews to be held under stricter scrutiny.
But in this instance one is looking at Muslims not because they are Muslims, but because they are the most obvious threat.
Don’t worry, to show our respect and tolerance we will foot the bill for the sex change operation this d*ckless wonder now requires.
@ WrathofG-d:
I look at them because they worship stan.
@ vagabond trader:
I thought America was the “Great Satin”?
@ vagabond trader:
Without anesthesia.
with janet as the homeland security czar, americans are in danger 24/7
Typical Kennedy Dhimmcrap!
Senator Max Baucus (D-Montana) on the Senate floor indulges in a drunken tirade against Republicans during the health care hearings.
I’m sure DHS is busy working on new rules to tighten screening of NRA members, tea party attendees, those who oppose the government takeover of the healthcare system, and US military personnel returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, since we all know that these are the true threats to America.
There will also be mandatory sensitivity training for all airline employees, as soon as CAIR can provide suitable instructors.
I would add a sarc tag, but I’m not really sure this is a joke…
@ bar:
No 40% excise tax for the scumbags insurance coverage and he still gets his viagra at below cost,so what is the old coot so angry about.Oh, thats right, demonrats are always angry and it is the fault of the bitter clingers.
@ calcajun:
Sometimes we are sometimes we aren’t. For instance,today I don’t believe the rampaging Iranians are thinking of us as the great satin.Tomorrow, who knows.
vagabond trader wrote:
I’m still clinging, bitterly, albeit by a thread……
@ bar:
Why would Montana elect this idiot democrap?
@ bar:
I’ll bet he felt like a regular Aristotle.
Dman. The “system” being that we rely on the essential incompetance of the Mohammedan “warrior” to save us? If this bitch is drinking she needs to quit. If she’s sober, she might should consider taking up drinking. This is a statement of phenomnal stupidity, the very Aristotielian essence of stupidity. To be charitable and say that they know the system is fucked up and just won’t admit it does not relieve the statement of its stupidity. I have to say that I am shocked at this level of stupidity from the Obama Administration. Napolitano should be called on to step down immmediately, and the Obama Administration to replace her with someone that knows their ass from a hole in the ground and can put in place proper screening to find people like this before they get on a plane.
The Republicans need to show some balls and step up.
@ newsjunkie_ky:
Same reason we keep electing iceholes like Dodd and Lieberman here in CT.
@ calcajun:
Hey nice icon of the ‘Breaker’ mate!
@ newsjunkie_ky:
I thought Montana would be filled with clingers.
But then what do I know, I live in loony liberal California.
@ Iron Fist:
I’d still like to know how she got the job in the first place. She has absolutely no qualifications in security that I’m aware of.
About all I can think of is the fact that she’s from a border state. Apparently, being able to say, “I can see Mexico from my house!” is sufficient experience to be DHS Secretary in this administration.
mjazz wrote:
Actually, you are quite correct. For a successful explosion, you need 2 things: heat and pressure.
With regard to the new flight rules imposed by the POS “O”
In a bit of irony, if this new rule was a standard back in 2001 then flight 93 would have smitten the White House.
Is that what “O” really wants?
Would we be lucky enough for him to be home at the time?
@ Iron Fist:
Amen,enough of this pc krap. I’m beginning to wonder if this administration has an actuarial table that charts acceptable losses as a result of terror attacks, shoddy hellcare, you get the idea.They sure act like they care more for the terror menace than the peaceable citizenry.
@ bar:
Always thought it was the Capitol.
@ lobo91:
Again the Republicans have failed us. They need to be a responsible opposition party. It isn’t enought that they oppose monstrosities like ObamaCare. They need to hold the Administration responsible for its actions. Napolitano, Holder, these people should have been opposed in the Senate even thought the Democrats had the votes to let them through. There isn’t a lot that the Republican could do, but they could at least force the Democrats to expose the naked force that they are ruling with to the American people.
@ vagabond trader:
They are worried about Rightwing violence, of course. Remember the DHS memo or whatever? Rightwingers are the danger, not Mohammedans.
*spit*
@ Iron Fist:
The minute the R side says ANYTHING it will be construed as a direct attack on Obi because he is black. What they are really winning is the war on words. No one will listen to us because we are all right wingnut (in their opinion). We need to be louder.
Iron Fist wrote:
I am still disgusted and pissed off about that.
@ Iron Fist:
I’m sure I’ll be strip-searched the next time I fly in uniform.
@ NoThreat2U:
Thanks for your prayers and encouragement from last nite.
The only thing that worked, is we still have some folks in this world who refuse to be victims.
Janet, the system got lucky you dope.
The system was given a second chance by someone willing to face this head on, recognizing there was no time left to give this shit bird another chance at doing it right.
I can’t stand these people.
They already have Fort Hood in the history books as far as they’re concerned, and they don’t have anyone they need to read a Miranda Warning to.
Heaven forbid, they are not thrown out on their ass in 2010.
@ vagabond trader:
No problem! Hang in there
We have had 15 people killed on American soil by jihadis this year. The toll would have been in the hundreds had the Dutchman not acted with great courage. Meanwhile, somewhere in Hawaii the potus and his consort snicker at the useful idiots they rule over and will soon be lecturing us about tolerance.
Formercorpsman wrote:
Correction: and they get to read a Miranda Warning to someone.
Sorry.
I need to split.
GO BIRDS!
@ Aussie Infidel:
TY– Edward Woodward– RIP
@ lobo91:
I recall something like that happening, where service members were hasseled. Unfrotunately, Hasan showed us that just because someone wears the US uniform, they aren’t necessarily not a Jihadi. You know, the security measures generally aren’t particulary onerous. One of the times I went to California they pulled me out and ran my license because my name is so common. It took about five minutes. It was just a reasonable check to make sure that I was who I said I was. No big deal. But it wouldn’t have happened to me if my name was Mohammed abu bin Blowinshitup. That would have been profiling, after all. That is what is offensive.
Wow, this looks more like ’79 than the recent post election demos.Best wishes to them in disposing of the tyrants.
Hey guys. I am up on the new thread talking shit about ya’ll. lol
@ vagabond trader:
Link:
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/12/massive-protests-break-out-in-iran-tehran-is-in-fire-blood/
@ NoThreat2U:
LOL!
#38 chickadee
The libs in power do NOT have our backs.
They never were. Their weren’t any libs having my six in the 3 foreign tours I did, so I never made that assumption and after LBJ’s S.E. Asia jamboree, I don’t think my father did either.
@ vagabond trader:
@ vagabond trader:
It was an either or: WH or Capital building, we don’t know the exact target for certain.
@ Formercorpsman:
Upding! Upding! Upding! I mean, Concur!
@ bar:
No.comment.
@ Iron Fist:
That’s exactly the problem with the current system. The TSA people are supposed to “randomly” check some percentage of people each day, and it’s left up to them to decide who is selected. Naturally, they select the people who look like they’ll cause them the least trouble. That means middle-aged white Americans and old ladies. They specifically DO NOT “randomly” check anyone who looks Middle Eastern, or who’s wearing a hijab or anything, because those people might complain that they’re being “profiled.”
Yes, it does make sense to look more closely at someone who has a one-way ticket that was purchased the day prior to the flight, but not when it turns out to be a government fare, and the person’s in uniform, traveling on orders. I’ve been in exactly that situation, and nearly missed a flight because of it.
@ vagabond trader:
I got my info from fake-a-pedia, so its more than likely fake!
“the system Worked.” No it didn’t! A person who did not wish to be a victim worked. “The System” failed, because someone with explosives got aboard an aircraft! For those who failed to understand what they just read, go back and re-read it until you understand that passenger with explosives on his person = Security system failure!
So what’s up with Nigeria??
Something smells (metaphorically speaking).
@ Canoe Convoy:
Ah, but you’re making the assumption that “the system” was intended to prevent someone from bringing explosives aboard an aircraft.
I’ve seen no evidence to support that assumption.
#46 WrathofG-d
Their refusal to accept this highly uncomfortable reality doesn’t allow them to grasp at the things which are going to keep them alive, but instead they will bend over backwards, and otherwise to avoid this reality. I really believe the problem is psychological, and pervasive. They have been so spoiled by safety, success, and indoctrination of a “perfect world” that we are having difficulty grasping this truly inconvenient truth regarding Islamist Terrorism.
I had the same epiphany after Beslan while talking with local (German) staff. The fact that innocent children were targeted was simply dismissed as the result of a “separitist” movement and not islamic. I made the comment, “when it happens here what will be your reaction then?” No one answered that.
Iron Fist wrote:
To hell with Rs and Ds. Time for the people to step up.
I felt pretty good about this until I found out the guy who moved on the bomber was a Dutchman. Nothing against Dutchmen but 300 folks on the plane and 1 guy has the balls to take on the bomber. Bullshit. The punk should have come off the plane in 300 little pieces.
Many folks in this country are nothing but lemming-like little followers. And if it means following the plane into the dirt because they’re told to, they’ll do it. Those that do deserve what they get.
The fact that a few inconvenienced passengers who fit a profile can make life dangerous for a whole planeload who don’t is just plain asshole stupid. Politicians can’t fix that. They can’t make money off it. The rest of the people on that plane are responsible for their own safety. Just fucking say something or do something. Not just one of them, all of them.
Maybe a clearer way of saying it is this;
You are being told to trust your safety to govt. employees with minimal training and almost no responsibility for their failures.
That happens a lot in modern society. But on an airplane? Once onboard you can’t call a cab or take a different route or just run away. The cops aren’t 5 min. away.
The same folks who whine about hood gangsters and police response times will sit quietly in their assigned seat while 1 lunatic takes them to hell.
In what other situation would people allow this?
Since 9-11 you have more spending on more TSA employees making flying more miserable for more people, and no increase in security. That’s what politicians do.
If you want to feel secure on an airplane, don’t be afraid to do what you have to, to make the flight crew aware or make the ‘suspicious’ take another flight. And if the guy next to you tries to light his shoe–fuck him up!!
Don’t be a lemming.
@ lobo91:
“The System” is spotty, at best. Many airports don’t have the technology to detect explosives and MOST don’t have the technology to detect nuclear material.
As we focus on international flights, were you a terrorist, where would you shift YOUR focus?
Once again:
All four of the 9/11 flights were domestic, not international. Maybe we should take that into consideration.
Additionally, have you seen the people who work in airports these days? For a long time I have felt that there is a distinct possibility of explosive devices, or components of explosive devices “coming in the back door” and passed on to a designated passenger.
How about ramp personnel? I actually saw a ramper once, in Washington Dulles, with arabic letters written with a marker on his yellow reflective vest. This type of thing doesn’t give me a feeling of security, no matter what it actually said.
The security levels vary wildly from airport to airport. Small airports simply do not offer the level of security, or the technology, that large ones do. Once you pass through security the first time, you have unlimited access to every domestic airport in the country, as long as your destination is domestic, without ever having to go through secuity again. In other words, you can board a flight at some 3 gate regional airport in the middle of Kansas and if you make it through security, you’re home free.
Feeling secure yet?
mjazz wrote:
Well, the deal is if an attack fails, the system works, and it is a terrorist attack. If it suceeds, like Fort Hood, it is not.
@ MacDuff:
Contrary to popular assumption, the level of security screening of airport workers is a joke. The “background check” done on the people who work at our airports is no better than what it takes to get a job as a security guard in most places. In other words, they do a criminal records check. If you haven’t been convicted of a felony, you’re good.
Once they get that security pass, those hundreds (thousands, in some big airports) of workers are home free. They don’t go through any sort of screening when they go to work each day. No metal detectors, no bomb-sniffing dogs, nobody looks in their bags. Nada.
The only reason nobody’s ever exploited that system to smuggle something onto a plane is that they haven’t tried.
@ Poteen:
Ditto. The bottom line is that we simply MUST take responsibilty for ourselves. I fly constantly, and I profile every SOB that boards and focus on the suspicious ones.
As they say “when seconds count, the police are just minutes away”. At 30,000 feet, police are nonexistant, unless you have an Air Marshall on board.
@ MacDuff:
At 30,000 feet, police are nonexistant
Absolutely true, and it used to be worse.
Right after 9-11 rules allowed the pilot to refuse any arms on board his plane, including law enforcement. Many of them did just that.
A friend of mine, 6’3″ 230# 20 year veteran federal agent was forced to take a later flight to Washington of all places because the pilot refused weapons on his plane and he didn’t have time to secure his before boarding. Stupid if you ask me but I believe that has since been changed.
She. Is. Full. Of. Shit!