Based on Haitian Earthquake of 12 JAN 2010
Rodan had asked me to write up a quick outline of the logistics and other problems that the relief effort in Haiti will face. Yours truly has been on a similar mission, but nothing nearly as extreme as what is occurring in Haiti right now. I will be using Haiti for the background, in general these specifics can be extrapolated and applied to other disaster or emergency situations. This was thrown together very quickly. We know that the pre-earthquake infrastructure in Haiti was well below Western standards, so they are already starting the disaster in a terrible position.
First Hours: The earthquake hits the island of Hispaniola, there will be several hours of total and complete confusion, the 72 hour disease clock starts right now. Whatever communication infrastructure that was in Haiti is now inoperable. The American government knows it has to go in and help and calls the embassy and the Haitian government to assess if the docks are intact, can port control handle the increased traffic, can the boats get unloaded, if they can be unloaded will it clog the docks.
The military will want to know if the runway is intact, and if not, what is the longest portion of useable strip, and if air traffic control is capable of handling the massive amounts of flights that will be heading toward and leaving Haiti. How much fuel is at the airport, how much space to park planes on the tarmac, how much space to hold the supplies and people is useable at the airport. Possibly the single most important phase of this assessment is the conditions of the roads inland and a psychological evaluation of the population by day 2-4. If the roads are impassable, the supplies WILL stack up on the tarmac and on the docs and then no more supplies can be offloaded. If the roads are blocked and there is no way to get water from the docks to inland then all of the desalination that the US Navy can muster is a pointless exercise. There must be space to put materiel.
Orders for movement from CONUS are issued, the Americans are on their way. Confusion reigns in Haiti.
Day 2: Aircraft arrive at the airport and begin to offload, this is where space on the tarmac and in the warehouses becomes a premium. We can assume that the airport has no auto gas so arrangements have to be made for mechanical offloading and movement of pallets loads of goods. With each aircraft, more and more square feet are used up. During all of this, a survey of the roads and civil situation is occurring. Military will have to be already there to protect the supplies that have been offloaded. They will have to be on the convoys out to the affected areas as well. Looting may begin as the shock of the event wears off. If the looting is not quelled immediately and with force, the society may end up spiraling out of control.
The corpses of the dead have to be isolated NOW. They should be burned as soon as possible. Mass graves can be used, but incineration is the only way to avoid disease.
Day 3: If the docs are open and can handle the traffic, see airport operations on Day 2. In this case, the docs are useless and the ships cannot get in to offload because the cranes and port facilities have been obliterated. Ship born supplies are pointless right now, but ships will continue to head toward Haiti in the hopes that the materiel can get offloaded in the future. By this point, senior officials will arrive and do photo-op. Military will probably have to do another show of force somewhere very public to warn the looters and criminals again and to assure the population that there is security and that there will be help.
The docs are out of commission. Therefore, more aid will have to be flown in, putting more pressure on the airport and ground crews until a solution can be found to offload ships either elsewhere in Haiti or in the Dominican Republic where supplies can then be driven in if the roads are passable, or flown in and dropped via helicopter, placing even more stress on the air traffic control system. Aid flow is then already halved because of the collapsed ports.
Logistical control is difficult by this time if only one airport is open and there is no way to deliver supplies away from the local area. Flow control will revert backward in the chain to the next airports up the chain like Miami, Orlando, New Orleans. What will occur is that items that are needed on the ground in Haiti are stuck on the ground, off the island, and they cant be flown in until there is more room on the tarmac in Haiti. The goods have to flow in and out of the terminal point of the chain…all of the aid in the World is useless if it is sitting on a tarmac.
Day 4+ The tipping point: It is at this point that we see what the society is made of. Does everyone work together or is it anarchy? Will it be every man for himself, or will there be some order? Can the supplies make it form the airport to points inland? Have the roads been opened? What are the people doing, can they be organized to help? Can they be trusted to help. Security of the supplies and delivery over even marginal roads must begin to occur immediately or more pole will die from infection than died in the
The Human body can survive great lengths of time without food, it cannot survive very long without water. The sanitary conditions in Haiti were questionable at best before the earthquake, they are non existent now. The water, unless it comes from deep wells will be contaminated. The irony is that the poorest people that live inland and have their own water and food will be the least impacted by the destruction. Clean water and clean people are the key. Any exposed non-treated water, pooled water, human waste, and corpses, that have not been incinerated are now one giant disease vector. 72+ hours have passed, the microbes are now on the march and have multiplied rapidly, the 90F temperatures help the microbes greatly. People with skin breaching injuries will now show begin to show signs of massive infections. The non wounded will begin to get ill as well from the death soup that they have been drinking and walking around in.
The list of diseases that occur in this situation are as follows: malaria, measles, dissentary, hepatitis A, B, and C, Aids, Cryptosporidiosis, Enteroviruses, Escherichia coli (E. Coli), Leptospirosis, Legionnaires’ disease, MRSA, Norovirus, Rotavirus, Shigellosis, Tetanus, Toxoplasmosis, Tuberculosis, Cholera, West Nile, Giardiasis, and the list goes on and on.
I hope this helps with the understanding of what is occurring in Haiti. Pray for them.
Tags: earthquake, Haiti
I feel so bad for the people of Haiti. How frustrating that the supplies stuck at the airport can’t get out to the people. This is heart breaking. I’m praying for them.
the next 24hrs will decide how bad this will actually get.
And crush injuries. All these folks getting pulled out of the rubble will need immediate medical care of IV Fluids and later dialysis if condition worsens. Clock is ticking.
forgot about the crush injuries/tx’s
Y’oughta fix that.
Wouldn’t it be smart to just assume that there won’t be any fuel, and set up an operation out of South Florida (or even Gitmo) with flights with enough fuel to get back?
jet fuel can be used in military vehicles…why fly more in if there is already some on the ground
both are diesel more or less.
Have any of the ships gotten in with supplies?
the docs are inoperative…they cant dock and unload
Well written CW. Got my attention.
Let me rephrase that. Would it be smart to assume that you leave Florida with a full plane, and any that you don’t need to get back, you unload there? You’re right; it makes great diesel, and lamp fuel, and in a pinch, cooking fuel. It’s not that long a trip.
what a mess but at least the Military is starting to arrive in force
helicopters fly on jet fuel as well
generators run on it
they are doing the no refuel thing now. it is still good to know how much jet-a on hand.
The Military Sealift Command hospital ship Comfort is set to cast off Saturday morning from its pier in Baltimore and sail to Haiti to join the disaster assistance efforts.
The Comfort has been taking aboard 550 “doctors, nurses, technicians and support staff,” according to an announcement from the Navy’s Bureau of Medicine and Surgery, who will “provide a host of medical services to include primary care, trauma care, pediatric care and orthopedic care upon arrival in Haiti.”
The ship is expected to arrive off earthquake-ravaged Port-au-Prince in about a week.
The exact arrangements under which the Comfort will treat Haitians aren’t yet clear: The port of Port-au-Prince was reportedly wrecked in Tuesday’s earthquake, so Comfort likely will anchor out in the harbor, meaning the Navy and Marine Corps will have to transport patients to and from the ship in boats and helicopters.
That hasn’t necessarily been a problem before — as when Comfort visited Port-au-Prince for 12 days last April — but unlike then, this week’s immense destruction left many thousands of people in need of care. On its last visit, Comfort treated 6,731 people, had 30,586 patient encounters, and performed 161 surgeries, according to information from U.S. Southern Command. Its workload in Haiti this time will probably be much greater.
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thanks
nightfall is gonna suck bigtime in haiti tonight
Bataan heads for Haiti
By Mark D. Faram – Staff writer
Posted : Friday Jan 15, 2010 13:45:47 EST
ABOARD THE AMPHIBIOUS ASSAULT SHIP BATAAN — For most of the Bataan’s sailors, January was supposed to be a quiet month, preparing for a four-month shipyard availability.
“We just returned from a seven-month deployment to 5th and 6th Fleets on Dec. 8, and here we are underway again,” Chief Mass Communications Specialist (SW/AW) Tony Sisti said.
These “KIDS” hardly had any time off
ABOARD THE AMPHIBIOUS ASSAULT SHIP BATAAN — Chief Warrant Officer 2 Wilfrid Bossous can’t wait to get to Haiti — the country he left 26 years ago as a 13-year-old boy.
Though his father and brothers and sisters are all in the United States or Mexico, he’s still unsure if many of his extended family, uncles, aunts and cousins are still alive.
“I heard from my father yesterday — two of my uncles and one cousin died,” said Bossous, the amphibious assault ship Bataan’s air boatswain, overseeing much of the flight and hangar deck operations. He’s one of approximately 20 sailors of Haitian descent who are part of the ship’s crew.
Probably alot of stories like that on the US Military
Crushed to death. I’m sitting in a Bagel place on solid ground and feeling insignificant. There is a dormant fault line near by which is building tremendous pressure. There is no attribute of mine that holds that fault stable. No behavior stops it. If it lets loose I would be completely helpless, defenseless. I’m thankful and feeling insignificant. Life is precious and I hope for the Haitians.
Fuel for the return trip isn’t an issue for US military cargo planes. They can all be refueled inflight.
One reason it’s taking so long to get large numbers of US troops down there, though, is a lack of available airframes. A large part of our transport fleet is tied up by the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most everything our troops use gets flown into theater in C-17s and other large planes, then it gets broken down into smaller loads that are moved around using C-130s.
roads and infection control are paramount now
Is anyone’s quote button working?
Well I think there is no better use of American power then to help in a situation like this. Help put Haiti back on the road to recovery.
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nope…we are under repair
” Help put Haiti back on the road to recovery”? That was a tall order before the quake. Now?
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the airport is full…more aid was arriving than can be delivered…they are just about out of room.
I assume as the Military really starts arriving in force- especially the Marines and the Army, they should be able to start moving the supplies inland and start taking control. But from what I read it might take more Troops than they now have committed. Of course it would nice if the Chinese helped out since their Army is doing NOTHING at the moment?????
I am a little surprised it is taking this long for the distribution of water. The Marines will have the big Sea Knight lift helos to get the pallets of supplies out to the people.
Coakley Trailing in Coakley Polls Too: 47-44
—Ace
That pretty much makes it unanimous.
No reason not to point out the good news
lobo91
Plenty of C-17s at McChord. I’m sure they have places to go, but they usually have a dozen or so on the ground at any time.
They have to be able to control the distibution points otherwise it will be a riot
M’s is. That’s about it. I think that’s because she’s special.
i do not want the chinese helping us in haiti, thanks.
monroe doctrine and all
Gee I got busy today, how come the markets tanked 100 points?
Earl Monroe? Great guard, I’d pay to to see the Pearl play. Didn’t know he was Chinese?
Snork @31:
The fact that there are planes parked at any given base doesn’t mean they’re available. They’re probably either already committed to other missions, or could be awaiting maintenance.
Another factor is crew availability. Most of our transport crews are actually Air Force Reserve members (many of them commercial airline pilots). They generally aren’t available at the drop of a hat.
Jan. 15 (Bloomberg) — U.S. stocks and commodities slid, while the dollar and Treasuries rose, as a loss at JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s retail bank and growing concern over Greece’s budget deficit triggered a flight from riskier assets. Crude oil fell for a fifth day.
00:03 U.S. Secretary of State Clinton to travel to Haiti on Saturday (Israel Radio)
WHY?
no…bill monroe, not earl
Well At least Oil was down.
Bill Monroe? 3rd base for the Cubs?
Off topic rant:
What’s up with the ebay sellers who won’t give feedback until you, the buyer, has? F em. Even if I get great product and service, I’m not playing that game. They Fing OWE me good feedback the minute I pay in full. I’ve done everything that I’m responsible for at that point. If they’re going to wait so that they can retaliate if I don’t give them positive feedback, they’re not getting any at all. Buttholes.
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for her day 3 photo op
i called that one
Nevergiveup @39:
Photo op, of course…
GMTA
#44/45
I hope she catches a real itchy skin rash
i was 12 hours off on the photo op
46…
day 3 in the post has the photo op…this shit is predicatble
next will be the argument on the ground in haiti over who is in charge…that’ll hit tomorrow
in charge of the relief ops i meant
Who’s in charge? We are, aren’t we?
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there will be a fight about who is running it overall, and who gets to run certain parts. there are a lot of international agencies butting heads…the UN, the OAS, redcross, the haitians and us….it happens every time
10,000 troops to be in Haiti, offshore by Monday
Published: 01.15.10, 22:36 / Israel News
Up to 10,000 US troops will be in Haiti or off its shores by Monday to distribute aid and prevent potential rioting among desperate earthquake survivors, it was disclosed Friday, as President Obama promised long-term reconstruction help.
Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also said the total American presence in and around the beleaguered country could rise beyond 10,000 as US military officers determine how much assistance may be needed in the days ahead.
We will see?
#51
Fuck en- It’s out Troops, our Planes, Our Ships, Our money.
Right now, it doesn’t look like anyone is in charge. The Haitian government has been pretty scarce.
There’s a UN contingent there, but they seem to be more interested in recovering their own people than helping the locals.
Once that brigade from the 82nd lands, their commander will probably take charge by default.
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Right now the Navy/Marines have the biggest foot print
Too many people going in to help can also cause a mess of problems. That’s what happened here in New Orleans. Ego clashes and nothing got done for a few days because of who thought who should be in charge. Overwhelming help can sometimes make things worse.
If the Navy sent a flag officer along with the Vinson, he’ll probably take charge once the ship arrives.
So,
How will be be able to help like the U.S.A. should in deals like this Haiti earthquake?
How will we the people be able to help if these dumb ass commie Democrats ruin our markets, our production ability, our ability to find and drill for energy, our ability to produce electricty, our ability to produce income to tax?
First things first as always.
Stay focused on job one. Obama out, commie Democrats in the U.S.Senate, U.S. Congress, commie Democrats in the States.
If we do not do that, soon we will be the ones begging for help from others.
bureaucrats get very nasty when even the littlest bit of power is taken away from them…
troops in-force not there till monday? wow…it took us a week to get deployed? there needs to be security there now…not monday. oh well.
its gonna be a long weekend in haiti
Leftists, many of whom despise the USA, constantly have wet dreams and babble on about China overtaking the USA as a superpower on the global stage.
China has given what? A lousy million dollars to Haiti? I would feel sorry for anybody if they have to rely mainly on countries like China to help them out in the future.
Haiti was a mess long before the latest earthquake struck. I imagine that even after all of the current aid is delivered and the disaster is not reported in the news anymore, Haiti will go back to being a mess. The corruption there is through the roof, and much of the aid money that has been pouring into that country for years never even reaches those that need it. This is the same problem that many countries in Africa face.
Haiti would have been better off remaining a french colony in my opinion, like many of the other french speaking islands in the area. All of the other islands are far more prosperous.
57, that’s why it’s good for one organization, and in this case the US DoD is the obvious candidate, should take the lead. I’m sure these left-wing NGOs like doctors without borders bristle at the thought, but that’s the only thing that makes any sense.
57 teacake…
BINGO!
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I guess having 200,000 plus troops in the Middle East complicates things. Shit happens when your Military is not larger?
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yep. haiti is a mess and will always be a mess until there is generations of stable, safe, and honest governance.
This is another potentially large problem. The powers that be may not allow aid to be distributed without their palms being greased, or they may just insist on taking the stuff themselves, and selling it to the people. We may end up in combat with some of their gangs and/or professional military.
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those NGO’s are really glad to see the US Military every time anarchy breaks out on the Ground. They are like everyone else, they run home to mama–in this case The Army/Navy/ Marines/ and Coast Guard. When crap breaks out in Lebenon, Jordan. Egypt, Gaza, and the West Bank they all run to Israel. Self Preservation is a powerful stumulis
67, they’ll still byotch about it, though.
Looks like 1/73 Cav and part of the 82nd’s 2nd BCT headquarters is on the ground now. About 900 troops. The remainder of the 2nd BCT (another 2,600 troops) will arrive over the weekend.
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ngo’s hate the military right up to the point where the military has to evac them because the locals are gettin ugly
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Yeah they byoitch real good. But hell, it’s funny. Nobody really listens to them
Now, an idea test:
Example, the people of Nebraska, they do not want to accept the bribe their no good commie enableing Democrat U.S. Senator skanked for them behind closed doors in D.C.. In fact some in Nebraska will not even eat in the same Pizza place as he does. The $300 Million kick back they will refuse. Just could be the good people in La. will follow that.
Now the tfk idea free on the internet.
The rank and file Union members.
The sorry ass deal the commie “O” hole cooked up crooked with the corrupt union boss’s.
The 40% tax on say farmers and ranchers and or say self employed electrictions no union, say the guys who do other hard work and have to have good ins..
So, “We the People” talk to the union member we all know, we get the talk show guys on it, we get the Tea Party people on it, we get the Town Hall people on it, every one, day in day out,,
? Mr. Union member, do you in fact want a better deal then your next door neighbor, do you want a better deal on ins. than your father, your brother, your sister, your bud from the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine days, do you want a better deal than say your church’s preacher, ,,,,, like that,,,,,,
as you all may know I have friends in the “high skill, high pressure gas pipe line welding, they work in nuke plants , “code welders”
I am talking to them now, they say they do not want to be on the goverment “dole” , the rank and file still have personal pride and under stand personal responsibility..
What do you guys think of this idea.
If the members revolt over this shity deal, it would be a big deal IMHO.
thanks for your response…
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that’ll cover the airport, embassy, american diplomat housing, and maybe the docs. then they can move inland
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And:
About 2,200 Marines from the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit at Camp Lejeune should arrive by Monday for what initially is expected to be about a 90-day deployment.
BUT I got a feeling alot more than that will be going. Just coincidentaly I am with a Marine Unit this weekend. I bet I will rumors of additional deployments.
Another aside but right on the Mark as far as I am concerned:
Former Yankees slugger Jack Clark says Alex Rodriguez is a “fake” and a “phony,” and says players who used steroids should be banned from baseball.
Calling for Mark McGwire to be removed as St. Louis hitting coach after his admission this week he used steroids for 10 years, Clark put all “cheaters” in his Hall of Shame.
“A lot of them should be banned from baseball, including Mark McGwire,” Clark told the St. Louis Post Dispatch.
“All those guys are cheaters — A-Rod. Fake, phony. Rafael Palmeiro. Fake, a phony. (Roger) Clemens, (Barry) Bonds. (Sammy) Sosa. Fakes. Phonies.
“They don’t deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. They should all be in the Hall of Shame. They can afford to build it. They’ve all got so much money. And they could all go there and talk about the next way to rub something on your skin. The whole thing is creepy.”
He is right
72 tfk
my dad was very big in the unions…he retired but still has contacts.
the rank and file are pissed and want some scalps because this makes them look bad in front of all their friends and family
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If we can pull out this election in Mass. Next week I think the whole thing ( Health Care ) is gonna start crumbling along with Obama’s agenda
From Reuters:
great…we have to count on the voters in MASS.
these people re-elected a murderous drunk blaspheming shithead for 40 years and elected john ‘i was in vietnam kerry’
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that is a great start!
Nevergiveup @72:
The interesting part is going to be how long the take to certify the election.
As Hugh Hewitt said in the title of one of his books, “They Can’t Cheat if it’s Not Close.”
Let’s hope for a big margin.
I think that the UN should shut down UNRWA and divert the resources to help the Haitians instead. The only disaster taking place in “palestine” is the palestinians themselves and it is truly a huge waste of money to keep funding undeserving terrorists.
Also, Voodoo is better than Islam. Heck, anything is better than Islam in my humble opinion.
Coldwarrior #79:
Actually, we have to count on the Mass Secretary of State, which is a scarier proposition.
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oh great…now i have even less confidence
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what a great idea!
#77 Nevergiveup
I think this is exactly why Zero is going to Mass. They have decided he has to go. That is how desperate the situation is. They know if she loses, he loses. Zero and his cabal are going to have some sleepless nights until this is over. I don’t think they can stop Scott Brown’s momentum. It is too authentic and of the people who do NOT want these ‘gifts’ from Zero.
they are starting to burn the corpses…good move
I’m starting to see the problem with stuff arriving by air into Port-au-Prince.
It’s a tiny airport, surrounded by a built-up area.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/1148030
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nice pic, thanks for sharing.
that looks like a security perimeter problem…and that is one small airport area/reminal.
i looks like less than one of our regionals here
OT/ Anyone else here download the latest version of the FireFox browser and having problems with it?
I did so today when a dialog box popped open, informed me that there was a new version, did I want to download it? So I downloaded it.
I didn’t catch the full version number as it was installing, but it was very long.
The short number that shows up under the “Help > About” menu thingy says it’s version 3.5.7.
I’ve done a little googling on the topic but haven’t seen a whole lot of information.
My Fire Fox browser is rather buggy and very slow. I didn’t have many problems with it before but it got pretty bad today after the latest download.
ps
Here in Texas, Deborah Median just kicked ass last night aginst Rick Perry and Kaye Hutchison .
She is the Texas “Scott Brown”, the establishment R’s and the msm are attempting to keep her out of the deal.
She was the clear winner of the debate.
As soon as the deal is done in Mass. win or lose , we need to shift to Ms Medina’s deal down here. only 50 or so days to get her into a run off with Rick Perry, she can out draw Hutchision easy, and if she gets into a run off with Perry she can win. She will be a chinch to out do the commie Democrats. IMHO.
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really!
i’m glad i didnt update.
what os
ya, and if you marry Marie LaDougx, do not lie to her or
you will be another man goneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
88, The military transport planes should have no problem rolling over on to those grassy areas. They’ll be able to pack ‘em in there. I think the bottleneck is going to be getting the goods out of the airport.
90, moving to Opera has been on my todo list for a while now. My firefox (3.5.7) has a severe memory leak, and is good for maybe two or three hours at a time. I usually have to kill it with task manager.
coldwarrier
great…we have to count on the voters in MASS.
these people re-elected a murderous drunk blaspheming shithead for 40 years and elected john ‘i was in vietnam kerry’
Ahem!
Seriously, unless you are here you can’t fully understand the excitement. I made calls for Brown last night – my list was independents. They are fired up and ready to vote for Brown. One guy said he and his wife would be voting for Brown “come hell or high water”
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good work…i so want brown to win just to piss off the kennedy’s and the left. because it would be sweet irony if…i’ll just shut up now
i refuse to get my hopes up.
Meanwhile over at the funny farm, the top thread is:
EEEEEEk!!! The climate killers!!!!! OMG ponies!!!!!
Coldwarrior @89:
The more I look at that overhead view, the worse it looks from a traffic standpoint.
Notice that there’s no taxiway parallel to the single runway. Just a central one perpendicular to the runway, and another one that goes to a general aviation parking area.
That means when a plane lands, it has to make a U-turn on the runway and go back to the middle, then turn onto the taxiway to get to the terminal/apron area. Until that plane parks, another one can’t even go onto the taxiway.
Probably isn’t a big deal in normal operation, but it’s got to slow down this type of operation tremendously. Hell, all it would take is for a plane to roll off onto the grass and get stuck while turning around to completely shut the place down until it was recovered.
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a memory leak…that is bad.
i’ll not update till they fix that
loppy, where did the donkeys dig up that Coakly creature??? That has got to be the worst politician ever!!!! WTF? They should have tried a yellow dog.
U.S. troops built roads, schools, and clinics over the years in Haiti and pumped billions of dollars into the Haitian economy, but a the results of this effort is not encouraging. The streets of Port-au-Prince still reek of garbage and human waste, political corruption is as bad as it ever was, and violent gang crime is on the rise. The new roads and clinics built by the United States add a superficial appearance of improvement, so that the tourist industry is able to begin making a little money again, but the basic situation of Haiti and the lives of most Haitians remain unchanged.
Below, from unicef.org — BEFORE the quake:
“Numerous schools and hospitals have closed because teachers, social workers and health providers could not go to work for fear of violence.”
So what’s the good of (re)building more schools and hospitals?
@ snork:
I’m shocked Big Tobacco isn’t there.
100, I don’t know if that’s 3.5.7, or if something’s corrupted with my installation. It’s been this way for a couple months. I’m just tired of FF’s general bugginess these days, and the fact that there are viruses out there that exploit it.
snork @101
She won Middlesex DA and Attorney General without so much as lifting a finger. Same with the primary for this election. I think they figured the lemmings would just fall into line and vote for her because she’s a democrat and a woman. WRONG!
Snork @94:
That depends on what the ground is like. I’m not familiar with the terrain there.
C-17s and C-130s can land on unimproved fields, but that usually means dirt, not grass. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that grassy area won’t support the weight of a loaded C-17, especially if it’s rained recently.
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good point, there is no where to taxi. there are two very small parking areas on the east side of the runway…too small for cargo use and a re not connected by taxiway, will prolly be used for helicopters.
i was looking at the tarmac from a rapid unload pov…its a 6000ft runway, so there can be some dual use. this joint is a mess. there is no way to do a pull thru, unload, taqxi takeoff without binding up the runway for taxi on and off
Loppyd @105:
Sounds an awful lot like a guy we’ve all heard of from Chicago, doesn’t she?
OT/ Thanks to all who replied to my question about Fire Fox 3.5.7.
I just remembered that even before I downloaded the latest release today, that Fire Fox kept freezing up and crashing a lot this past week, but that was after I installed a bunch of new software, so I didn’t know if the new software was to blame or what.
So far, the few articles I’ve run across say (ironically!) that this latest release of Fire Fox was supposed to make the browser more stable.
Mozilla Releases Firefox 3.5.7
They need to get back to the drawing board, because it’s less stable now than it was before. It makes for a very frustrating web surfing experience.
Loppy I can’t tell you how excited I am. This is the most remarkable political race in MA in my memory. I grew up in Boston and left in 89. I worked a couple of elections for Kevin White at the ward/precinct level way back in the day. LOL. Hot damn, this is a great race!!! My 82 yo Dem. mother has a small placard she puts in her “front room window” for Brown. I wish Tuesday was here already.
Coldwarrior @107:
It was clearly designed to be a small regional passenger facility, not a cargo port. What a mess.
As for the runway length, according to World Aero Data, it’s 9,974 feet long and 141 feet wide. At least they’ve got that going for them.
http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=HA86034&sch=MTPP
runing ff 3.0.17 on two computers with xp
never an issue, i was going to update too!
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90000 is much nicer, it can be split in half and used like two runways.
the map scale had the runway at 6000 feet…either the map scale is wrong or someone paid for 9000ft and got 6000!
snowcrash
It is pretty awesome. I am trying not to get too ahead of myself and the time between now and Tuesday seems like a lifetime. I might go to a Brown rally in Quincy tomorrow and am trying to get the details on where Barry will be on Sunday so I can hold a Brown sign outside.
we got edit back!
lobo91
Complete with the same corrupt hack ties.
re: 104 snork
Firefox. I’ve had few problems in the couple years I’ve used it. I can tell you,though, that I’m now using RC (release candidate) 3.6 – the newest one and it runs very well. Seems faster and supposedly has some bugs fixed. May help your problems
Well look how many billions have been pumped into Gaza and what’s to show for.
This is really mean of me to say this but I hope obama doesn’t want to relocate several million refugees over this way.
Lopps, Think Obama will stay in Boston or hit the neighborhoods like Dorch/ Roxbury or skip them and go suburban? I hope he doesn’t motivate some Democratic voting blocs that haven’t shown too much interest in this race. The more Dems that stay home the better!
Hey Grambo, wanted you to know the fundraiser was a success. Her entire bill was paid in full and she is still at the vet recovering from the surgery.
bbl…got an emergency honey-do job.
This Commie Aristide now wants to return!
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/15/haiti.earthquake.aristide/
snowcrash,
I don’t know what they have planned yet. My guess is he sweeps in and out to minimize liability.
My eyes hurt. Have a good night, all.
Pray for Haiti.
{loppyd}
Love ya, babe. Sleep well.
“This is really mean of me to say this but I hope obama doesn’t want to relocate several million refugees over this way.”
Don’t get me started.
I always used to wonder why there are so many Haitians (etc) in Massachusetts, New York, etc. — you’d think they’d prefer a warmer climate and closer to home, like Florida, say — and I’m told it is largely due to the welfare-state mentality up there that is so attractive to Future Democratic Party Voters ™. I don’t know if anyone here can confirm this or not. (BTW this applies to Canada as well.)
There must be dozens of legitimate Caribbean islands that could take refugees .. Dominican Republic (which they could get to overland), Cuba, Jamaica, even the “Spanish Main” areas of Venezuela (would be a great way for Chavez to show his compassion for the oppressed…) Why always the U.S.? The days of give me your tired, your poor are over guys, sorry.
BTW, why all the focus on air relief? Isn’t Port au Prince a, well, a PORT? You could fit a thousand refugees on a cruise ship or freighter and take them to a nearby country, at least temporarily.
120 teacake
well that’s great. Love a happy ending. Now …. if we can just have one next Tuesday …..
You know, I mentioned Scott Brown here awhile ago. Posted a link to his site. And I was quite disappointed that it didn’t seem to get much traction. Only response was from TFK (I think). All that’s changed now, for sure. And I see a future for that guy and ones like him. So I’m pretty happy about that regardless of Tuesday’s outcome.
I am, however, on standby to be majorly pissed if there’s any underhanded sh** from the other side
(Emendation ..)
“In this case, the docs are useless and the ships cannot get in to offload because the cranes and port facilities have been obliterated.”
OK, they don’t need a lot of facilities, just the existence of the port itself .. clear out the debris and it can be used, even if the cranes aren’t operative. You can ferry people out to ships with small craft if the port facilities are not reachable by the large ships.
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The docks were heavily damaged in the earthquake. Nothing much is coming in by sea anytime soon, other than from the US Navy using its amphibious capabilities.
Haitians in U.S. Illegally Can Stay
(AP) The Obama administration says it will allow Haitians already in the U.S. illegally to remain because of this week’s catastrophic earthquake.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano granted the temporary protected status on Friday.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/15/politics/main6102068.shtml?tag=stack
Hi, everyone. I am all for humanitarian aid to Haiti but I am also concerned about the massive influx of Haitian refugees that are sure to follow. Has anyone heard anything about how many we will have to absorb (and support)?
I was looking at our local uniform supplier
Cintas[biggest in the world?] they were bragging
how thier sub-contractor paid 50% more than the Hatian
minimum wage. that comes to 3 dollars they make a day there, Cintas just sent
300,000 dollars in aid to Mathew 25 for relief aid.
seems George Soros has an intrest in a industrial park in Haiti
I know he located there so he could bring those high paying
union wages to the workers in Haiti.//
We can’t afford a Republican like Scott Brown
Actually, we, our children, our grandchildren, and our great-grandchildren, can’t afford Obamocrats like Martha Coakley.
@ BatG–
“Hi, everyone. I am all for humanitarian aid to Haiti but I am also concerned about the massive influx of Haitian refugees that are sure to follow. Has anyone heard anything about how many we will have to absorb (and support)?”
That’s cold, bro.