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Haiti’s true curse

by Speranza ( 154 Comments › )
Filed under Open thread at January 20th, 2010 - 3:00 pm

Haiti  is plagued by a culture of poverty. There are some parallels between the Haitian culture of poverty and the culture of welfare dependency which can be seen in so many of our inner cities in America.  The Katrina debacle in New Orleans is a prime example of generations of Americans addicted to poverty and to government welfare – so when a natural disaster strikes, the people are powerless waiting for outsiders (particularly the government) to come save them. Individual initiative is a foreign concept to those who depend on a higher authority to take care of their needs.  Haiti shares an island with the Dominican Republic and the contrasts between those two nations are striking.  Although there is poverty in the Dominican republic, there is also a growing middle class in that nation (which at one point it seemed as if their greatest exports was shortstops to the major leagues)!.

by Jonah Goldberg

The images from Haiti are, if anything, only getting worse. What was left of an already fragile society is starting to break down, as violence and chaos take over. Despite the heroic efforts of aid workers and the battered Haitian government, it looks as if Haiti’s problems will persist well into the 21st century, long after the debris is cleared and the houses are rebuilt.

While the scope of the tragedy in Haiti is nearly impossible to exaggerate, it’s important to remember that last week’s earthquake was so deadly because Haiti is Haiti.

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It’s hardly news that poverty makes people vulnerable to the full arsenal of Mother Nature’s fury. The closer you are to living in a state of nature, the crueler nature will be — which is one reason why people who romanticize tribal or pre-capitalist life (that would be you, James Cameron) tend to do so from a safe, air-conditioned distance and with easy access to flushing toilets, antibiotics, dentistry and Chinese takeout.

The sad truth about Haiti isn’t simply that it is poor, but that it has a poverty culture. Yes, it has had awful luck. Absolutely, it has been exploited, abused and betrayed ever since its days as a slave colony. So, if it alleviates Western guilt to say that Haiti’s poverty stems entirely from a legacy of racism and colonialism, fine. But Haiti has been independent and the poorest country in the hemisphere for a long time.

Even if blame lies everywhere except among the victims themselves, it doesn’t change the fact that Haiti will never get out of grinding poverty until it abandons much of its culture.

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Arnold Kling and Nick Schulz note in their phenomenal new book, “From Poverty to Prosperity,” that low-skilled Mexican laborers become 10 to 20 times more productive simply by crossing the border into the United States. William Lewis, former director of the McKinsey Global Institute, found that illiterate, non-English-speaking Mexican agricultural laborers in the US were four times more productive than the same sorts of laborers in Brazil.

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Why? Because American culture not only expects hard work, but teaches the unskilled how to work hard.

It’s true that Haiti has few natural resources, but neither do Japan or Switzerland. What those countries do have are what Kling and Schulz call valuable “intangible assets” — the skills, rules, laws, education, knowledge, customs, expectation, etc. — that drives a prosperous society to generate prosperity.

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  1. coldwarrior
    1 | January 20, 2010 15:08

    goldberg missed the larger role that corruption and the religion of vodoo plays. both turn the haitian citizen’s outlook of the future into the bleakness of predestination where any attempt to further the quality of their lives is pointless.


  2. Speranza
    2 | January 20, 2010 15:08

    Waiting for the MSM to start blaming this all on Bush in 3…2….1…. seconds.


  3. Speranza
    3 | January 20, 2010 15:09

    @ coldwarrior:
    Pat Robertson made a mention of them making a deal with the Devil and caught Hell for that! LOL.


  4. Nevergiveup
    4 | January 20, 2010 15:11

    Hello all. And welcome to a non fillerbuster world


  5. coldwarrior
    5 | January 20, 2010 15:11

    Speranza wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Pat Robertson made a mention of them making a deal with the Devil and caught Hell for that! LOL.

    i didnt say anything about stan. just about their outlook

    pat robertson is an ass that needs to shut the (%&* up. he embarassses me


  6. coldwarrior
    6 | January 20, 2010 15:12

    how does that charlatan pat robertson know if they did or di not make a deal with stan? does he talk to stan on a regular basis?


  7. coldwarrior
    7 | January 20, 2010 15:13

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Hello all. And welcome to a non fillerbuster world

    amazing how that works


  8. Nevergiveup
    8 | January 20, 2010 15:16

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Hello all. And welcome to a non fillerbuster world

    amazing how that works

    Oh And I know that making a deal with the Devil shit Roberston is pushing is bullshit. See I’m now on intimate terms with the Devil and he told me so. Why am I so close to the Devil. Well that’s on a need to know basis and you all don’t need to know, but I’ll say this: Bet the House on the J E T S Jets Jets Jets this Sunday. And catch that new show coming to Broadway “Damn Jets”.


  9. Crashnburn01
    9 | January 20, 2010 15:19

    Pat Robertson opens his toilet of a mouth whenever when these disasters happen just long enough to alienate the independents that are moving towards the conservative side of things. Which, of course, the MSM gleefully transmits as an approved message from the right.

    Does he realize the damage his idiocy causes to the conservative cause? Or is he just senile? PLEASE GO AWAY!!!!


  10. Nevergiveup
    10 | January 20, 2010 15:19

    U.S. Middle East envoy George Mitchell said Wednesday that Syria and Lebanon were key to achieving peace in the Middle East.

    How stupid is this asshole


  11. RIX
    11 | January 20, 2010 15:20

    I spent a short & I mean short time in Haiti years ago.
    Weird place. I suspect the fact that it was a police state, impvrished & mixed up vodoo with Catholism would explain it.
    You had the feeling that anything was possible there & most not good.


  12. 12 | January 20, 2010 15:21

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Not stupid at all when your plan is to push Israel back into the indefensible 1967 borders, and ensure that their enemy has the high ground.


  13. Nevergiveup
    13 | January 20, 2010 15:21

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Not stupid at all when your plan is to push Israel back into the indefensible 1967 borders, and ensure that their enemy has the high ground.

    OK how about “evil”


  14. wolfie
    14 | January 20, 2010 15:25

    “If people are determined to blame Haiti’s problems on someone other than the Haitians, perhaps they could start by looking at the damage done by the foreign-aid industry.”

    Amen to that.

    Most foreign “aid” programs only result in ever more corruption, inertia, and dependency.


  15. Speranza
    15 | January 20, 2010 15:25

    coldwarrior wrote:

    pat robertson is an ass that needs to shut the (%&* up. he embarassses me

    He is permanently stuck on stupid.


  16. Nevergiveup
    16 | January 20, 2010 15:26

    Speranza wrote:

    He is permanently stuck on stupid.

    So is almost everyone at MSNBC


  17. Speranza
    17 | January 20, 2010 15:26

    @ Nevergiveup:
    He should go back to looking for steroid cheats in baseball.


  18. coldwarrior
    18 | January 20, 2010 15:27

    wolfie wrote:

    “If people are determined to blame Haiti’s problems on someone other than the Haitians, perhaps they could start by looking at the damage done by the foreign-aid industry.”
    Amen to that.
    Most foreign “aid” programs only result in ever more corruption, inertia, and dependency.

    and that is called job security in the aid world


  19. Nevergiveup
    19 | January 20, 2010 15:28

    Iran has signed a one-billion-euro (1.44-billion-dollar) deal with a German firm to build 100 gas turbo-compressors, an industry official said in newspapers on Wednesday.
    The contract provides for the unnamed German firm to transfer the know-how to build, install and run the equipment needed to exploit and transport gas, said Iran’s Gas Engineering and Development Company head, Ali Reza Gharibi.
    The German company has already delivered 45 such turbo-compressors to Iran, Gharibi said, according to Iran Daily. Industry experts said he was apparently referring to Siemens.

    I am gonna try real hard not to call these Germans Nazis. I really am.


  20. Nevergiveup
    20 | January 20, 2010 15:29

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    He should go back to looking for steroid cheats in baseball.

    Well seems he only looks for them in NYC. Sammy who?


  21. 21 | January 20, 2010 15:29

    @ wolfie:

    I went to New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina to rebuild homes in the all Black neighborhoods.

    While I worked on their homes, they sat around drinking and smoking complaining about how no one has come to help them. (and that wasn’t the worst of it, the story from the Housing Projects is even worse)


  22. chickadee
    22 | January 20, 2010 15:30

    Before the quake, Haiti had 10,000 nongovernmental agencies working there. WTF? Are they scammers who keep all the money they take in. Just using the plight of the Haitians to play on sympathies of caring people who donate. Too many charities would gum up the works even if they are above board. They would get in the way of any society following a natural course of structuring itself. Capitalism always emerges as the way to order society. Then communism comes along and tries to impose its alien constrictions. And of course if the foreign aid industry succeeds in actually getting Haiti on their feet, then who needs the charity peddlers. They are out of a job.


  23. wolfie
    23 | January 20, 2010 15:31

    @ Crashnburn01:

    The question is not why Robertson says silly things. The question is why the MSM considers them newsworthy.


  24. coldwarrior
    24 | January 20, 2010 15:31

    @ WrathofG-d:

    i would have left


  25. buzzsawmonkey
    25 | January 20, 2010 15:31

    @ wolfie:

    Wolfie, could you look at the lower half of the previous thread? I’ve been trying to explain the Invisible Man connection to Wrath, and I could use your assistance if you are willing to provide it.


  26. coldwarrior
    26 | January 20, 2010 15:33

    @ chickadee:

    ngo’s workers gotta eat to!


  27. coldwarrior
    27 | January 20, 2010 15:34

    wolfie wrote:

    @ Crashnburn01:
    The question is not why Robertson says silly things. The question is why the MSM considers them newsworthy.

    because he is an embarrassment to the right, and the msm knows this…that’s why


  28. Silhouette
    28 | January 20, 2010 15:35

    We in the US are blessed with natural resources, it is true, but America would still be successful on the moon. When people are self-reliant and allowed to profit from their efforts, they will succeed.


  29. wolfie
    29 | January 20, 2010 15:35

    coldwarrior wrote:

    and that is called job security in the aid world

    You nailed it, CW.


  30. Nevergiveup
    30 | January 20, 2010 15:35

    coldwarrior wrote:

    wolfie wrote:

    @ Crashnburn01:
    The question is not why Robertson says silly things. The question is why the MSM considers them newsworthy.

    because he is an embarrassment to the right, and the msm knows this…that’s why

    Speaking of embarrassements, any chance to get Coakley a gig on MSNBC or CNN


  31. buzzsawmonkey
    31 | January 20, 2010 15:36

    Silhouette wrote:

    We in the US are blessed with natural resources, it is true, but America would still be successful on the moon. When people are self-reliant and allowed to profit from their efforts, they will succeed.

    Israel is successful because it works hard to make the most of the natural resources it has.


  32. 32 | January 20, 2010 15:36

    @ Nevergiveup:


    How stupid is this asshole

    He’s a Progressive, I think that’s the answer!


  33. 33 | January 20, 2010 15:37

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yea, I considered it but (a) the leftist organization I was doing free work for didn’t agree with me and (b) their response to my charity wasn’t why I was there. I was there to do the good work, not to be appreciated for it.

    When we were at The Projects, the people were actually smoking drugs while watching us, drinking at 9:30 a.m. while were were cleaning their mess, making sexist and racist comments to us, making sexist gestures at the women there, calling the black people who were with our group “uncle toms”, and at times throwing trash down to us (out of their apartments) to clean up.


  34. coldwarrior
    34 | January 20, 2010 15:37

    @ Silhouette:

    weber’s puritan (protestant) work ethic theory goes a long way here


  35. m
    35 | January 20, 2010 15:37

    @ WrathofG-d:

    I tried to give a guy holding a sign “will work for food” a big mac value meal and he was pissed. “I’d rather have cash.”

    Yeah, that didn’t work.


  36. Nevergiveup
    36 | January 20, 2010 15:37

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Israel is successful because it works hard to make the most of the natural resources it has.

    Other than the Dead Sea, what natural resources are there?


  37. NoThreat2U
    37 | January 20, 2010 15:38

    @ chickadee:
    There’s BIG money in keeping certain members of society “victims”. See Pali “refugees” for a start.


  38. 38 | January 20, 2010 15:38

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    John Stossel had a special on Hong Kong once. He showed how in 40 years they went from an impoverished British enclave, to one of the wealthiest cities in teh world. Why becasue the British did benign neglect and the people were allowed to prosper. Natural resources doesn’t make a a great nation. It’s in innovation of the people.


  39. buzzsawmonkey
    39 | January 20, 2010 15:39

    m wrote:

    I tried to give a guy holding a sign “will work for food” a big mac value meal and he was pissed. “I’d rather have cash.”

    He said he’d work for food. He didn’t say anything about accepting food as a handout.

    ///


  40. 40 | January 20, 2010 15:39

    @ m:

    He wants the money for alcohol!


  41. coldwarrior
    41 | January 20, 2010 15:39

    @ WrathofG-d:

    if a man does not raise his own hand to help himself, then why should others do it for him.


  42. 42 | January 20, 2010 15:40

    @ coldwarrior:

    See my 38.


  43. coldwarrior
    43 | January 20, 2010 15:41

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    See my 38.

    the comparison between hong kong and india are even more telling.


  44. 44 | January 20, 2010 15:42

    @ coldwarrior:

    In general, I actually agree with you.

    This was the organization I was working with: Common Ground Collective. They were founded (IIRC) by an ex-Black Panther, and are now run by a guy who is on the lam for stockpiling weapons for the upcoming revolution.

    Obama is meeting with their board member.


  45. coldwarrior
    45 | January 20, 2010 15:43

    ok, my break time is over…back to the books.

    bbl


  46. chickadee
    46 | January 20, 2010 15:43

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-19/hes-done-everything-wrong/

    Mark Levin read this editorial a few minutes ago. Mort Zuckerman, a multimillionaire Dem, once adored and voted for Zero . And now is so pissed off. My, my, my how people are waking up.


  47. m
    47 | January 20, 2010 15:43

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yeah. That HAD to be it.


  48. Speranza
    48 | January 20, 2010 15:43

    m wrote:

    I tried to give a guy holding a sign “will work for food” a big mac value meal and he was pissed. “I’d rather have cash.”

    Yeah, that didn’t work.

    There used to be a guy outside a baseball stadium I used to go to (major league stadium) who had a sign “Why lie, I need a beer”.


  49. Speranza
    49 | January 20, 2010 15:44

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Other than the Dead Sea, what natural resources are there?

    The brains of its people.


  50. 50 | January 20, 2010 15:45

    @ Speranza:

    See my 39.


  51. Speranza
    51 | January 20, 2010 15:46

    chickadee wrote:

    Mort Zuckerman, a multimillionaire Dem, once adored and voted for Zero . And now is so pissed off. My, my, my how people are waking up

    What the hell did Zuckerman expect he would be getting from Comrade Obama?


  52. Bordm
    52 | January 20, 2010 15:46

    I don’t know if the story of the pact with the Devil is true or not. I ran across this while doing a search on it.

    In defense of Pat Robertson


  53. wolfie
    53 | January 20, 2010 15:46

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Will do!


  54. buzzsawmonkey
    54 | January 20, 2010 15:46

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Other than the Dead Sea, what natural resources are there?

    The Dead Sea has minerals; there are also semiprecious stones in the Negev (“Eilat stone” is a greenish-turquoise variant of malachite found nowhere else).

    The Kinneret has fish. There are natural harbors on the Mediterranean, there are broad, fertile valleys and hillsides which were terraced for agriculture in ancient times. Olives, dates, figs, grapevines, barley, wheat, linen (flax) and other products grow there; the more arid areas provide pasture.

    The Torah describes the Land as “a land whose stones are iron, and from whose hills you may dig copper.” It also describes the Land as being a land of streams and lakes; it has perpetual rivers, such as the Jordan, and other brooks and streams, as well as springs and wadis which are subject to filling during the rains. It has rain, as well as dew, in season, so there are multiple growing seasons.

    This makes the Land a particularly blessed place; it is not dependent, as ancient Egypt was and even modern Egypt is, upon the single source of the Nile. It is not dependent on one natural resource, as the Arab oil nations are. The Land changes in topography from the high, snowcovered peak of Mount Hermon (one of the highest in the region) to the Dead Sea, one of the lowest spots on Earth, with every possible topography and climate in between.

    This means that there is not one big thing for the people to rely on, but many different potential sources of wealth, each in its place and season, which allows for the development and maintenance of many different skills, and ensures there will be one source of wealth if another fails. At the same time, there is not too much of anything, so that means things must be used carefully and conserved.


  55. Silhouette
    55 | January 20, 2010 15:46

    A friend has a child in the Peace Corps in Dominican Republic. He told me the PC is not in Haiti even though clearly Haiti is much worse off than DR. The PC has been in and out of Haiti over the years, out usually during times of violence. Most recently, they suspended Haiti operations in 2005 due to violence.

    Life lesson: If you want help, don’t try to kill people trying to help you.


  56. Nikis Knight
    56 | January 20, 2010 15:48

    wolfie wrote:

    “If people are determined to blame Haiti’s problems on someone other than the Haitians, perhaps they could start by looking at the damage done by the foreign-aid industry.”
    Amen to that.
    Most foreign “aid” programs only result in ever more corruption, inertia, and dependency.

    I support going in and digging people out of the rubble when disaster strikes.
    But on-going foreign aid is just a trap even if it ever gets to the poor people its intended for, rather than sticky fingered despots.


  57. calcajun
    57 | January 20, 2010 15:49

    @ WrathofG-d:
    I grew up there and saw the same kinds of people. There were the ones that got jobs, went to school, got degrees and moved to Metairie and Jefferson Parish. Then there were the ones who sat in their own excrement and blamed everyone but themselves for their plight and demanded they be helped because someone did this to them.


  58. Nevergiveup
    58 | January 20, 2010 15:50

    Speranza wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Other than the Dead Sea, what natural resources are there?

    The brains of its people.

    Yeah, I set that one yp for ya ha? Sabras: Hard on the ouside, but soft inside


  59. 59 | January 20, 2010 15:50

    Everyone look at this video below.


  60. calcajun
    60 | January 20, 2010 15:51

    @ Speranza:
    It’s a case of a combination of the emperor not having any clothes and Lili von Schtupp realizing that it’s not twue.


  61. lobo91
    61 | January 20, 2010 15:51

    @ coldwarrior:

    the comparison between hong kong and india are even more telling.

    They showed part of that video during his speech at the NRA Annual Meeting banquet in Phoenix. It was pretty amazing, how he could open a business in one day in Hong Kong, while it would take months or years to do the same in India.


  62. buzzsawmonkey
    62 | January 20, 2010 15:52

    @ Nevergiveup:

    One other thing. Judea and Phoenicia were glassmaking centers back during ancient times.

    There is an archaeological theory that the technique of glassmaking was discovered only once, in ancient Chaldea, and spread from there—around the time that Abraham is thought to have left the region and come West. Supposedly, this is confirmed by the quality and quantity of glass made in ancient Egypt diminishing after the period usually ascribed to the Exodus—and glass, in the form of faience, enamel and paste was very important as a decorative item as well as for vessels.

    The Romans did not have glass until they conquered the Eastern Mediterranean; what we know as “Roman glass” is actually from Judea and Phoenicia.

    Judea—Israel—has a lot of sand, which is the primary ingredient in glass. Today, that silicon may go into computer chips, but in the ancient world it was part of the production of glass, which was then a valued luxury good.


  63. Nevergiveup
    63 | January 20, 2010 15:52

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Yeah yeah yeah, but G-D could have given us a little oil ya know. Not that I’m complaining!


  64. chickadee
    64 | January 20, 2010 15:53

    Speranza wrote:

    chickadee wrote:

    Mort Zuckerman, a multimillionaire Dem, once adored and voted for Zero . And now is so pissed off. My, my, my how people are waking up

    What the hell did Zuckerman expect he would be getting from Comrade Obama?

    He was as blind as the rest of them who tried so hard to not appear racist. What a bunch of fools.
    Zero’s descent has begun. Wow, he could become completely unglued and go super doublepluss nuts.


  65. Silhouette
    65 | January 20, 2010 15:54

    As for Israeli natural resources, for one thing, they are on the Med. Miles of beautiful beaches means tourism. (Gaza could technically do the same thing. If they didn’t choose instead to have a cult based on death.) Speaking of tourism, half the world wants to see Israel’s historical sites. That’s quite a natural resource. (Imagine how many more tourism dollars Bethlehem could attract were it safe.) And I always think of those greenhouses.


  66. Nevergiveup
    66 | January 20, 2010 15:55

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    that silicon may go into computer chips,

    I thought it was the Russian Olim who were into computers? Oh well, I was into a few Russian Katikas….ah never mind.


  67. Nikis Knight
    67 | January 20, 2010 15:55

    calcajun wrote:

    @ WrathofG-d:
    I grew up there and saw the same kinds of people. There were the ones that got jobs, went to school, got degrees and moved to Metairie and Jefferson Parish. Then there were the ones who sat in their own excrement and blamed everyone but themselves for their plight and demanded they be helped because someone did this to them.

    Sounds like you are describing the “Palestinian refugees.”


  68. lobo91
    68 | January 20, 2010 15:56

    Gee, this is good news.

    It apparently never occured to anyone that the underwear bomber should have been interrogated as a terrorism suspect, rather than for prosecution, according to Dennis Blair, the Director of National Intelligence.

    Fortunately, though, he says they’ll do a better job “next time.”


  69. BBEV
    69 | January 20, 2010 15:56

    wolfie wrote:

    @ Crashnburn01:
    The question is not why Robertson says silly things. The question is why the MSM considers them newsworthy.

    Anything to bash a Christian. The MSM sucks


  70. 70 | January 20, 2010 15:56

    @ lobo91:
    @ Silhouette:
    @ Nevergiveup:

    In my 59, I agree with Stossel, to get a good economy benign neglect is good!


  71. 71 | January 20, 2010 15:57

    @ BBEV:

    They are silent on Danny Glover and Hugo Chavez!


  72. lobo91
    72 | January 20, 2010 15:58

    @ Nikis Knight:

    Or Obama voters in general.


  73. Nikis Knight
    73 | January 20, 2010 15:58

    lobo91 wrote:

    Gee, this is good news.
    It apparently never occured to anyone that the underwear bomber should have been interrogated as a terrorism suspect, rather than for prosecution, according to Dennis Blair, the Director of National Intelligence.
    Fortunately, though, he says they’ll do a better job “next time.”

    Good enough for Gov’t work, right?


  74. Nevergiveup
    74 | January 20, 2010 15:58

    lobo91 wrote:

    Gee, this is good news.

    It apparently never occured to anyone that the underwear bomber should have been interrogated as a terrorism suspect, rather than for prosecution, according to Dennis Blair, the Director of National Intelligence.

    Fortunately, though, he says they’ll do a better job “next time.”

    Damn that inspires confidence ha?


  75. 75 | January 20, 2010 15:59

    @ calcajun:

    At our intake meeting for the Common Ground Collective, the white instructor informed the mostly Jewish, mostly white, all upper middle class group I was with, that all whites are racist by nature, and that no whites cared about the blacks suffering there in N.O. He then tried to get us all to go to “racist deprogramming classes” so we could go learn about our own racist.

    It was straight out of the SDS playbook. (yes I know I am beating a dead horse, but now I know the source of the left)

    I nearly stood up during his speach and instructed the white moron to look at the group we brought (more racially harmonious then his organization) and tell him to shut up.

    Oh, but Amy Goodman from KPFK showed up to a standing ovation.


  76. Speranza
    76 | January 20, 2010 15:59

    chickadee wrote:

    He was as blind as the rest of them who tried so hard to not appear racist. What a bunch of fools.
    Zero’s descent has begun. Wow, he could become completely unglued and go super doublepluss nuts

    Zuckerman bought those greenhouses the Jews built in Gaza which was a great money earner, to turn them over to the Palestinians and guess what? The Palestinians destroyed them.


  77. Silhouette
    77 | January 20, 2010 16:00

    Speaking of sand, my company had an engineering project in Egypt and we had to import sand.

    It actually made sense because the task required a specific grain size and other factors, but it makes a funny story.

    Along those lines, I also have a friend whose uncle worked in Alaska for a company that makes bagged ice. Of course, we’d expect to see products for sale there just like anywhere, but he gets to joke that he got rich selling ice to Eskimos.


  78. bar
    78 | January 20, 2010 16:00

    Pat Robertson drives me crazy.
    His blaming disasters on “sin” is really bad Christian theology in my opinion. Which just becomes fuel for the non-believers.

    Case in point:
    (Luke 13:4)
    Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were sinners above all men who lived in Jerusalem?
    (Luke 13:5)
    I tell you, No. But unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.


  79. GrandJunctionite
    79 | January 20, 2010 16:01

    Great Video here if you haven’t seen it.


    America Rising


  80. calcajun
    80 | January 20, 2010 16:09

    @ Nikis Knight:
    It’s a human condition which transcends ethnicity.


  81. BBEV
    81 | January 20, 2010 16:09

    Rodan wrote:

    @ BBEV:
    They are silent on Danny Glover and Hugo Chavez!

    Ya they are but we know about it and I tell as many people I can.


  82. Dolphin
    82 | January 20, 2010 16:11

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Ignorant bastards.


  83. Dolphin
    83 | January 20, 2010 16:14

    @ Speranza:
    Houston?? We have a couple of those here. Lol!


  84. Nevergiveup
    84 | January 20, 2010 16:17

    Morales deplores US ‘occupation’ of Haiti
    Published: 01.21.10, 00:45 / Israel News
    President Evo Morales said Wednesday that Bolivia would seek UN condemnation of what he called the US military occupation of earthquake-stricken Haiti.

    “The United States cannot use a natural disaster to militarily occupy Haiti,” he told reporters at the presidential palace. “Haiti doesn’t need more blood,” Morales added, implying that the militarized US humanitarian mission could lead to bloodshed.

    Is there a special on assholes going on?


  85. 85 | January 20, 2010 16:18

    @ Nevergiveup:

    So we could be dependant on it like a fiend on the pipe like the Muslims are?

    no thank you. I’d rather rely on our own, and G-d thanks!


  86. wolfie
    86 | January 20, 2010 16:18

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I can’t add much. As you said, you really have to read the book itself. I can only join you in strongly recommending Invisible Man to get a feel for the Marxist movement and how easily an individual, especially a black man, can be drawn into it —or manipulated into serving it.

    I had an interesting chat with the Am Lit teacher at our local Catholic school just yesterday. I asked him why Toni Morrison’s The Bluest Eye, a novel even she admits is not very good, is assigned instead of Invisible Man. His eyes brightened up and he said he would love to do Ellison’s novel if only someone could raise the money to get copies.

    When I said I might be able to raise the money, he got very quiet and said it probably would be better to wait a few years. Wait until the Bluest Eye paperbacks needed replacing anyway. But I knew what he really meant.

    You cannot read Invisible Man today without thinking about Obama.


  87. Nevergiveup
    87 | January 20, 2010 16:19

    Muslim scholars critical of US policy can return
    Published: 01.21.10, 00:18 / Israel News
    Two prominent Muslim scholars once accused of ties to terrorism are cleared to travel to the United States now that the State Department has concluded they pose no danger to the country, federal spokesmen said Wednesday.

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton has signed orders enabling the re-entry of professors Tariq Ramadan of Oxford University in England and Adam Habib of the University of Johannesburg in South Africa once they obtain required admittance documents, department spokesman Darby Holladay said. (AP)

    Yeah shit what could go wrong after all?


  88. lobo91
    89 | January 20, 2010 16:19

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Maybe global warming is frying their brains.

    It’s summer in the southern hemisphere, isn’t it?


  89. 90 | January 20, 2010 16:20

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Morales is a puppet of Chavez. he’s a Bolivarian, he’s just taking his master’s orders.


  90. Nevergiveup
    91 | January 20, 2010 16:21

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    So we could be defendant on it like a fiend on the pipe like the Muslims are?

    no thank you. I’d rather rely on our own, and G-d thanks!

    I guess you haven’t driven much in Israel and had to filler up?
    /


  91. Nevergiveup
    92 | January 20, 2010 16:23

    What do Alyssa Milano, Sandra Bullock, Lance Armstrong, Gisele Bundchen, the country of Senegal and — very possibly — you have in common?

    All — including you — have donated more funds to the Haitian relief effort than oil-rich nations like Saudi Arabia and Iran.

    What a joke


  92. Silhouette
    93 | January 20, 2010 16:23

    A disaster relief program would be certain to get the abled Haitians working alongside the visitors. Bring extra shovels, as it were. I’m not sure exactly what actions I mean.


  93. 94 | January 20, 2010 16:23

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    I guess you haven’t driven much in Israel and had to filler up?
    /

    Nope, never been to Israel. I’ve been told it is great though.


  94. Nevergiveup
    95 | January 20, 2010 16:24

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    I guess you haven’t driven much in Israel and had to filler up?
    /

    Nope, never been to Israel. I’ve been told it is great though.

    Really wow. It is great. It is unique


  95. calcajun
    96 | January 20, 2010 16:25

    @ Nevergiveup:
    We should tell Senor Morales that if he thinks he can do a better job, please send the Bolivian Navy ASAP– just as soon as he solves that little land-locked country problem. Until then, FOAD.


  96. waldensianspirit
    97 | January 20, 2010 16:25

    @ bar:
    Amazing document when actually read it is.

    It also works pretty good literally literal where it is and literally spiritual where it is.


  97. 98 | January 20, 2010 16:26

    @ calcajun:

    He’s a puppet of Chavez.


  98. 99 | January 20, 2010 16:26

    @ Nevergiveup:

    You know I’m kidding right?


  99. buzzsawmonkey
    100 | January 20, 2010 16:27

    wolfie wrote:

    You cannot read Invisible Man today without thinking about Obama.

    Thank you! Eloquent post—and interesting that the teacher felt that he could not safely teach the book because (whispers) it might cause someone to think about Obama.

    Which, of course, also means thinking about Ayers—to my mind.


  100. calcajun
    101 | January 20, 2010 16:27

    @ Rodan:
    The string-pulling or hand-up-the-ass kind of puppet?


  101. Nevergiveup
    102 | January 20, 2010 16:28

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    You know I’m kidding right?

    I assumed you have been in Israel many times?


  102. buzzsawmonkey
    103 | January 20, 2010 16:28

    Wrath—please see Wolfie’s #86, if you haven’t, for an additional voice on the topic we were discussing earlier.


  103. waldensianspirit
    104 | January 20, 2010 16:29

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Good for Alyssa Milano, Sandra Bullock, Lance Armstrong, Gisele Bundchen and the country of Senegal!


  104. wolfie
    105 | January 20, 2010 16:33

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Is there a special on assholes going on?

    Why yes, I do believe there is!

    The utopia Evo Morales promised is not working out so well.
    Time to blame the USA for something. Anything.


  105. 106 | January 20, 2010 16:35

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I read it. Very interesting story from her professor. If I was into reading fiction, I just might pick it up.


  106. wolfie
    107 | January 20, 2010 16:35

    Yikes! If I’m going to get a piece of coconut pie I’d better move my patoot! The little wolves are circling it and drooling. :shock:


  107. 108 | January 20, 2010 16:39


    Israel’s Disproportionate Response…..to Haiti

    Despite its small size, Israel sent a large contingent of highly-trained aid workers to quake-stricken Haiti. Two jumbo jets carrying more than 220 doctors, nurses, civil engineers, and other Israeli army personnel, including a rescue team and field hospital, were among the first rescue teams to arrive in Haiti. In fact, they were the first foreign backup team to set up medical treatment at the partially collapsed main hospital in Port-au-Prince. Yigal Palmor, Israel’s Foreign Ministry spokesman said, “It’s a large delegation and we’re prepared to send more.”

    The international agencies that condemn Israel for its “disproportionate response” when it is attacked are not mentioning Israel’s disproportionate response to human suffering. The U.S. has pledged 100 million and sent supplies and personnel. The U.K. pledged $10 million and sent 64 firemen and 8 volunteers. China, a country with a population of 1,325,639,982 compared to Israel’s 7.5 million sent 50 rescuers and seven journalists. The 25 Arab League nations sent nothing.

    Israel in Haiti


  108. Beltfed
    109 | January 20, 2010 16:40

    Silhouette @ 93:

    A disaster relief program would be certain to get the abled Haitians working alongside the visitors. Bring extra shovels, as it were. I’m not sure exactly what actions I mean.

    I totally agree with that, shipment of shovels pickaxes and wheelbarrows should priority.

    You want to eat, pick your choice of tool.

    I get rilled up looking at the photos from Haiti of the thugs stealing looted items from other looters, they are even to lazy to do their own looting.


  109. waldensianspirit
    110 | January 20, 2010 16:41

    How is Dr. Sanjay Gupta fairing?


  110. Chip Designer
    111 | January 20, 2010 16:44

    I didn’t see it mentioned above, but I would think that Haiti’s average IQ of ~77 may have a lot to do with its impoverished condition.


  111. waldensianspirit
    112 | January 20, 2010 16:45

    @ Beltfed:
    And between shovels pickaxes and wheelbarrows, pick two fellows for your team and rotate through the tools so you all can work longer, be healthier and get more done.


  112. lobo91
    113 | January 20, 2010 16:46

    I just poked my head in at the swamp.

    Over 500 comments on a thread that basically accuses Brown of being part of some group that wants to overthrow the US government by force.

    The crazy is strong over there…


  113. waldensianspirit
    114 | January 20, 2010 16:47

    @ Chip Designer:
    I dunno. I see universities full of high IQ’s but they would be impoverished without massive influx of aid from the US tax payer.


  114. 115 | January 20, 2010 16:48

    @ lobo91:

    You mean he doesn’t?


  115. buzzsawmonkey
    116 | January 20, 2010 16:49

    lobo91 wrote:

    Over 500 comments on a thread that basically accuses Brown of being part of some group that wants to overthrow the US government by force.

    Funny. I thought Brown’s election dragged the US government back from the precipice of skewed, arrogant, overbearing one-party rule and the attendant cronyism that such rule always engenders.


  116. Chip Designer
    117 | January 20, 2010 16:51

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Chip Designer:
    I dunno. I see universities full of high IQ’s but they would be impoverished without massive influx of aid from the US tax payer.

    High IQ doesn’t mean that you have wisdom, but you do need smart people to run a society.


  117. waldensianspirit
    118 | January 20, 2010 16:51

    Republicans gotta work on health care but by policies that improve and protect the private health care system. They gotta put up some good proposals. Also tort reform. Write these up in cogent form even if they don’t have the power to enact them; they’ll still be valuable come a sunny day.


  118. 119 | January 20, 2010 16:51

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The “scott” heard around the world?


  119. lobo91
    120 | January 20, 2010 16:52

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Funny. I thought Brown’s election dragged the US government back from the precipice of skewed, arrogant, overbearing one-party rule and the attendant cronyism that such rule always engenders.

    You say tomato…


  120. taxfreekiller
    121 | January 20, 2010 16:52

    On those of us who say blunt critical things of any and all Presidents of the U.S.A..

    On those of us who say we who say blunt critical things of any and all Presidents of the U.S.A. are unAmerican and that it dishonors the office of President of the U.S.A..

    1. Who dishonored who and what first?

    2. Richard Nixon did what?, Jimmy Carter did what?, LBJ did what?, Bill Clinton did what?, No new Tax Bush did what?, Open Broders, Religion of Peace Bush did what and spent in what amounts $$$?, B. Obama doubled down on all that and??????

    3. The msm, the two party hacks, others tell me and others we are the ones who dishonor the office of President..?????

    4. And we are the ones who did Vietnam, Irag, I and II, Korea, WWII,,ect.

    When these skanks from the two party evil money cult clean up the trash they left in the White House over the last 50 years, then they will have the right to tell “We the People” how to talk to and about the people we hired to be President of the U.S.A. and DID EXPECT THEM EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM TO HONOR THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A..

    like that IMHO


  121. Nevergiveup
    122 | January 20, 2010 16:53

    lobo91 wrote:

    I just poked my head in at the swamp.

    Over 500 comments on a thread that basically accuses Brown of being part of some group that wants to overthrow the US government by force.

    The crazy is strong over there…

    It rots from the top down over there


  122. calcajun
    123 | January 20, 2010 16:54

    @ lobo91:
    Talk about bitter clingers!


  123. 124 | January 20, 2010 16:57

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Amen and great observation!


  124. buzzsawmonkey
    125 | January 20, 2010 16:58

    calcajun wrote:

    Talk about bitter clingers!

    Not to be confused with angry transgender activists, who are bitter Klingers.


  125. 126 | January 20, 2010 16:58

    The one resource that Haitians have in spades is artistic creativity and really, its too bad their ability to create amazing folk art wasn’t exported in a “global” way. That country could have exported all the things they made and used for themselves and done very well. That too was squandered.


  126. Nevergiveup
    127 | January 20, 2010 16:59

    Defense Minister Ehud Barak on Wednesday ordered a college in the West Bank town of Ariel recognized to be as a “university center,” thereby winning praise from the right but an outraged response from both the political left and many academics.

    The move is also likely to grant new momentum to overseas supporters of an academic boycott of Israel, leaders of the campaign against the boycott said. However, they added, it will not change the legal realities that have so far prevented any such boycott from taking effect.

    Damn Jews always worried about education. Why don’t they just go out and blow themselves up like their Arab neighbors?


  127. BBEV
    128 | January 20, 2010 17:01

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Can I have a link to that. I want to post it on facebook


  128. 129 | January 20, 2010 17:02

    lobo91 wrote:

    I just poked my head in at the swamp.
    Over 500 comments on a thread that basically accuses Brown of being part of some group that wants to overthrow the US government by force.
    The crazy is strong over there…

    I think the obama admin has proven the only way to attempt that is with a super majority – by force by citizens would be impossible.


  129. waldensianspirit
    130 | January 20, 2010 17:04

    we the people is a force indeed™


  130. 131 | January 20, 2010 17:04

    @ BBEV:

    If you ever want a link to a youtube site, just click the video. However, here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VQA5NDNkUM


  131. buzzsawmonkey
    132 | January 20, 2010 17:08

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    If I was into reading fiction, I just might pick it up.

    Not to belabor the point (he says, belaboring the point), but there are certain works of fiction which need to be read as an adjunct to fully understanding history and times. Invisible Man is one of those—not only because it is one of the great American novels of the 20th century (which it is), not only because it was the most widely read novel of the Civil Rights Movement era and therefore allows you the luxury of seeing and feeling what thought was like in that period, not only because it likely shaped the minds of many people still on the political scene, but because it offers, in my opinion, some insight into the character and behavior of the opponents of today.

    That’s a lot for one work of fiction to carry, but this is one that does it.


  132. 133 | January 20, 2010 17:08

    Can I request one of those really cute avatars? Please?


  133. waldensianspirit
    134 | January 20, 2010 17:10

    @ teacake:
    If you have set yours I believe if you unset it then the random “cute avatar will be seen.

    I think…


  134. snowcrash
    135 | January 20, 2010 17:13

    @ teacake:
    I like them too!


  135. BBEV
    136 | January 20, 2010 17:15

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Thank you, I love to piss off my family. Most are so far left they can not see a right.


  136. 137 | January 20, 2010 17:15

    By the way, the way this is written is confusing.

    Reid is a first generation member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.[66] Reid and his wife, who was born to Jewish parents, converted to Mormonism while Reid was a college student

    I just can’ imagine Harry had Jewish parents, but perhaps his wife did. The asshole on talk radio is claiming Harry was Jewish before converting. This is the same guy who said Israel uses bags of pig fat on the buses.


  137. 138 | January 20, 2010 17:16

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ teacake:
    If you have set yours I believe if you unset it then the random “cute avatar will be seen.
    I think…

    I’ll give that a try. Thanks!


  138. 139 | January 20, 2010 17:17

    TEST


  139. snork
    140 | January 20, 2010 17:17

    @ teacake:
    If you just turn your existing one off, it should give you a funny one.


  140. lobo91
    141 | January 20, 2010 17:19

    @ teacake:

    What you quoted there says that Reid’s wife was born to Jewish parents, not that Reid was.


  141. lobo91
    142 | January 20, 2010 17:20

    @ snork:

    If you just turn your existing one off, it should give you a funny one.

    Although you may have to clear your browser’s cache in order to see it.


  142. Nevergiveup
    143 | January 20, 2010 17:21

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ teacake:

    What you quoted there says that Reid’s wife was born to Jewish parents, not that Reid was.

    Thank G-D I don’t have to be associated with that prick. Glad he is not in my tribe


  143. lobo91
    144 | January 20, 2010 17:23

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I don’t think anyone deserves to be associated with him, including the voters of Nevada.

    Fortunately, that little error will probably be fixed in about 10 months.


  144. 145 | January 20, 2010 17:23

    @ snork:

    I like my Avatar!


  145. 146 | January 20, 2010 17:23

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ teacake:
    What you quoted there says that Reid’s wife was born to Jewish parents, not that Reid was.

    That’s what I thought. This asshole on the radio is a douch. The one time I corrected his error on face book he said on the radio that he didn’t care what I had to say, he liked his version better. Not about this one, he just said that a minute ago and I ran a search.


  146. 147 | January 20, 2010 17:25

    Maybe the avatar will activate later, I hope.


  147. 148 | January 20, 2010 17:26

    lobo91 wrote:

    clear your browser’s cache in order to see it.

    I use firefox, can’t find the cashe clear thingy.


  148. 149 | January 20, 2010 17:27

    @ lobo91:

    He’s bye bye!


  149. Nevergiveup
    150 | January 20, 2010 17:32

    AF chief: F-35 testing, acquisition will slow
    By John Reed – Staff writer
    Posted : Wednesday Jan 20, 2010 16:34:42 EST
    The Pentagon is slowing down testing and acquisition of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz acknowledged Wednesday.

    “The path we were on was too aggressive, so there’s an effort underway to reduce concurrency, to lengthen the period associated with testing, to increase the number of test assets and make the production rate somewhat less ambitious,” Schwartz said during a briefing with reporters in Washington.

    The F-35 will be ready for initial operational capability with the Air Force in 2013, Schwartz said.

    “While it would have been ideal to go without adjustment, there are very few programs of this sophistication that I’m aware of that have not required some adjustment,” said Schwartz. “This is in the larger interest of the larger attack community that will rely on” the jet.

    He said the adjustment is meant to ensure that large numbers of F-35s can be built problem-free when it comes time to replace U.S. and allied fighter fleets toward the end of the decade.

    Schwartz added that he did not think the jet was going to breach the Nunn-McCurdy statute’s limits on cost growth in weapon programs.

    His comments come a week after a leaked Navy analysis document said the F-35 would be considerably more expensive to operate than the Navy and Marine Corps’ current tactical fighters.

    “I have not yet had an opportunity to validate for myself the accuracy of that analysis,” Schwartz said, adding that he did not accept the findings of this analysis “at face value.”

    Still, he said he acknowledged that operating costs are a serious issue, and that he would be troubled if the analysis turns out to be accurate.

    “If there are issues related to cost of operations, we’ll find remedies and mitigations; we have to,” he said.

    Many have said that the Pentagon has no choice but to make sure the F-35 program succeeds since the existing U.S. fighter fleet is rapidly closing in on its retirement date.

    Sure glad we shit canned the F-22 since ti was said the F-35 was ahead of schedule and so much cheaper??????????? Oh Yeah remind me–the F-22 is flying ain’t it?


  150. Crashnburn01
    151 | January 20, 2010 17:33

    @ teacake:
    Tools / Options / Privacy / Remove individual cookies / Remove all cookies


  151. calcajun
    152 | January 20, 2010 17:38

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I did the MASH joke a few days ago. Nyahh. //


  152. buzzsawmonkey
    153 | January 20, 2010 17:47

    calcajun wrote:

    I did the MASH joke a few days ago. Nyahh. //

    I don’t mind a little GMTA now and then.


  153. 154 | February 2, 2010 17:58

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