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What Scott Brown’s win means for the Democrats

by Speranza ( 166 Comments › )
Filed under Democratic Party, Politics at January 22nd, 2010 - 3:30 pm

Welcome to Friday’s with the ‘hammer.

Dr. K.  (one of the few voices of sanity at the Washington Post) cuts through all the spin and tells the simple truth – that Scott Brown  was able to win because he nationalized the race. Martha (or is it Marcia?) Coakley had Obama on her side, Brown had Curt Schilling – the bloody sock beat the cut out board, Fenway Park beat the salons of Georgetown and Cambridge. The good thing for the Republicans (and ultimately bad for the national Democrats) is that the Democrats are in complete and total denial as to what happened on Tuesday. Howard Dean actually claimed that  it was a vote for more “progressive health care reform” leaving Chris “tingles up the leg” Matthews flabbergasted. Another such “victory” (coming on the heels of NJ,  Va. And Ma.) and Obama will be ruined (the classic pyrrhic victory).

by Charles Krauthammer

On Jan. 14, five days before the Massachusetts special election, President Obama was in full bring-it-on mode as he rallied House Democrats behind his health-care reform. “If Republicans want to campaign against what we’ve done by standing up for the status quo and for insurance companies over American families and businesses, that is a fight I want to have.”

The bravado lasted three days. When Obama campaigned in Boston on Jan. 17 for Obamacare supporter Martha Coakley, not once did he mention the health-care bill. When your candidate is sinking, you don’t throw her a millstone.

After Coakley’s defeat, Obama pretended that the real cause was a generalized anger and frustration “not just because of what’s happened in the last year or two years, but what’s happened over the last eight years.”

Let’s get this straight: The antipathy to George W. Bush is so enduring and powerful that . . . it just elected a Republican senator in Massachusetts? Why, the man is omnipotent.

And the Democrats are delusional: Scott Brown won by running against Obama, not Bush. He won by brilliantly nationalizing the race, running hard against the Obama agenda, most notably Obamacare. Killing it was his No. 1 campaign promise.

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Brown ran on a very specific, very clear agenda. Stop health care. Don’t Mirandize terrorists. Don’t raise taxes; cut them. And no more secret backroom deals with special interests.

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Democratic cocooners will tell themselves that Coakley was a terrible candidate who even managed to diss Curt Schilling. True, Brown had Schilling. But Coakley had Obama. When the bloody sock beats the presidential seal — of a man who had them swooning only a year ago — something is going on beyond personality.

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  1. 1 | January 22, 2010 3:32 pm

    I’d say it’s more of a democrat loss, that a GOP win. This was a “we are not happy with the establishment” vote, more than a “we love Scott Brown” or “We love the GOP” vote. But either way, it is a victory for the right side.


  2. vagabond trader
    2 | January 22, 2010 3:38 pm

    Lets pray the Rs don’t turn this into a pyrrhic victory.

    I heard that some are starting to see the value of the tea party movement. So long as the rinos don’t attempt to co-op the grassroots.


  3. LGoPs
    3 | January 22, 2010 3:38 pm

    I’m having some trouble here and need to vent. I’ve been agonizing and fretting, near on compulsively, about whether or not the First Lady is still proud of her country. Few, if any, things are more important to me in life. Some of those few are the threat that my coupons will expire before I have a chance to redeem them at Costco, what the wife is making me for dinner and whether my dogs will have a firmer stool with the new dogfood I’m feeding them. But besides those, President Obama’s wife’s patriotic stirrings oft leave me sleepless at night. With the sudden downturn in her husband’s popularity and accompanying political fortunes – essentially being told to fuck off by the voters – is she steadfast enough in her love of country to still believe in it or will she be swayed by the sweet siren song calling to her in the night – “Oh, they’re just a bunch of racist crackers”. I dwell on this endlessly.


  4. taxfreekiller
    4 | January 22, 2010 3:40 pm

    this is cool, hope it comes up
    live vid cam at Santa Fe Ski

    some snow strom in progress there just now

    http://streaming.brownrice.com/santafe.html


  5. snork
    5 | January 22, 2010 3:40 pm

    Obama went to Harvard Law School. Krauthammer went to Harvard Medical School. One of them can pronounce “Massachusetts”.


  6. vagabond trader
    6 | January 22, 2010 3:41 pm

    @ LGoPs:

    lol, better to savor the future day in 2013 when these two frauds will have their possessions loaded onto the moving van and slink out of town.


  7. Silhouette
    7 | January 22, 2010 3:42 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    So long as the rinos don’t attempt to co-op the grassroots.

    “Now we’ve been watching you guys and we like what you’re doing. And we want to help. If you’d move just a pinch toward the center, your base will skyrocket. We promise.”


  8. Dolphin
    8 | January 22, 2010 3:45 pm

    @ LGoPs:
    LOL….
    What are the coupons for? What brand of dog food did you switch to, and, most important, what’s for dinner?


  9. snork
    9 | January 22, 2010 3:46 pm

    LGoPs wrote:

    I’m having some trouble here and need to vent. I’ve been agonizing and fretting, near on compulsively, about whether or not the First Lady is still proud of her country.

    I’ve said this before, but…
    If I could ask here one question, it wouldn’t be “do you still love your country”. That would be easy to fake. No, I’d ask “do you believe that you are more fortunate, or less fortunate than a typical white American?”. That would be impossible to weasel out of, because if she said that she was less fortunate, she’d expose herself as the Princeton-educated privileged phony that she is, and if she said more, she’d repudiate everything she’s ever stood for.

    I wish some media wanker would ask her that, but it will never happen.


  10. taxfreekiller
    10 | January 22, 2010 3:46 pm

    On Obama

    He now knows he is caught out in the open, only fools or others who wish to profit from his commie hell days do not see. He has nothing to lose.

    He will now do all he is able to get away with of the destruction he has in his head. All of it now he will push, cap and trade, tax the rich, hurt the banks, hurt commerce, hurt the curency, hurt the infrastrucure, hurt the war effort, hurt the defence, cut wages, cut employment, screw with tax collections, get the Congress even more disfunctional, sow race hate, hurt the reserch labs, give out defence secrets, any and all up to in your face treason.

    IMHO


  11. snowcrash
    11 | January 22, 2010 3:47 pm

    @ LGoPs:
    I’m pretty sure she hates you on principle. LOL.Don’t worry about it. Now,the important stuff, I have to get the bottled water for $2.00 off @ COSTCO before Jan.24!


  12. vagabond trader
    12 | January 22, 2010 3:48 pm

    @ snork:

    Obama went to Harvard Law School

    Prove it. :mrgreen:


  13. snork
    13 | January 22, 2010 3:51 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Prove it. :mrgreen:

    Well, he can say Massesoots…uhh…Massetooshits…Massetoosits…uhh…Boston.


  14. mawskrat
    14 | January 22, 2010 3:54 pm

    @ LGoPs:

    me..I’m in this world but not of the world, jus passin through


  15. lobo91
    15 | January 22, 2010 3:54 pm

    The reason both wings of American liberalism — congressional and mainstream media — were so surprised at the force of anti-Democratic sentiment is that they’d spent Obama’s first year either ignoring or disdaining the clear early signs of resistance: the tea-party movement of the spring and the town-hall meetings of the summer. With characteristic condescension, they contemptuously dismissed the protests as the mere excrescences of a redneck, retrograde, probably racist rabble.

    I can think of one formerly important blogger who’s still pushing that line.


  16. vagabond trader
    16 | January 22, 2010 3:55 pm

    Oh my, sorry to go OT so soon, this is frikkin hilarious. Who says Americans have lost their innovative edge.

    http://www.silverbulletgunoil.net/


  17. snowcrash
    17 | January 22, 2010 3:56 pm

    NutroUltra dog food promises a firmer, more compact dog stool.Says it right on the bag. My dog is only 15 lbs, so it isn’t a major selling point for me.


  18. 18 | January 22, 2010 3:56 pm

    Dropping by for another minute or so. An elderly lady I know who lives in Bethesda – specifically the 20817 area – is very ill. Does anyone know anyone in that area? She doesn’t have family or anyone to check on her. I spoke to her on the phone briefly today and she sounds like something is very very wrong.

    If someone knows anyone in that area, perhaps someone could knock on her door? She is pretty much a recluse and doesn’t even have money to take a cab as from what I understood, she spent most of her income just now on antibiotics. Not sure what’s going on. She sounded really out of it and I’m hoping there’s someone near by her who could find out?


  19. wolfie
    19 | January 22, 2010 4:00 pm

    snork wrote:

    No, I’d ask “do you believe that you are more fortunate, or less fortunate than a typical white American?”.

    :shock:

    Ah, if we only had a real press!


  20. snowcrash
    20 | January 22, 2010 4:00 pm

    Sorry teacake, not near there.


  21. vagabond trader
    21 | January 22, 2010 4:00 pm

    @ teacake:

    Call her local Police,they or one of the other emergency services in her town will check on her.Its done all the time.


  22. LGoPs
    22 | January 22, 2010 4:02 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    NutroUltra dog food promises a firmer, more compact dog stool.Says it right on the bag. My dog is only 15 lbs, so it isn’t a major selling point for me.

    I have two beagles and it’s one of my chores to scoop the poop. I swear sometimes after I’m done I’ve scooped more than their combined weight in poop. I tell my wife the dogs are gone – they’ve transmogrified themselves into poop.
    :)


  23. chickadee
    23 | January 22, 2010 4:03 pm

    LGoPs wrote:

    I’m having some trouble here and need to vent. I’ve been agonizing and fretting, near on compulsively, about whether or not the First Lady is still proud of her country. Few, if any, things are more important to me in life. Some of those few are the threat that my coupons will expire before I have a chance to redeem them at Costco, what the wife is making me for dinner and whether my dogs will have a firmer stool with the new dogfood I’m feeding them. But besides those, President Obama’s wife’s patriotic stirrings oft leave me sleepless at night. With the sudden downturn in her husband’s popularity and accompanying political fortunes – essentially being told to fuck off by the voters – is she steadfast enough in her love of country to still believe in it or will she be swayed by the sweet siren song calling to her in the night – “Oh, they’re just a bunch of racist crackers”. I dwell on this endlessly.

    rofl
    It is a deep concern for me too. I think we know the answer. We’re mean again.


  24. 24 | January 22, 2010 4:03 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ teacake:
    Call her local Police,they or one of the other emergency services in her town will check on her.Its done all the time.

    The police would help her? Maybe call the fire dept? That sounds strange. Thing is when she called me it came up as private number and my phone was unable to call her back. I’d like to at least let her know in advance.

    Cops or fire dept?


  25. 25 | January 22, 2010 4:05 pm

    Should I dial 911?


  26. vagabond trader
    26 | January 22, 2010 4:05 pm

    @ teacake:

    Call the PD, thats what my husband the firefighter says.They’ll knock on her door and determine whether she needs further assistance such as an ambulance.


  27. coldwarrior
    27 | January 22, 2010 4:07 pm

    @ lobo91:

    go back to the last thread and read my comment about your house


  28. vagabond trader
    28 | January 22, 2010 4:07 pm

    @ teacake:

    lol call 911,you’ll get your locals. Try to get her city PD #.Its Bethesda?


  29. 29 | January 22, 2010 4:07 pm

    okay, i’ll look that up


  30. 30 | January 22, 2010 4:07 pm

    Thanks VT, I’ll be back after I make the call


  31. 31 | January 22, 2010 4:08 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Bethesda

    yes


  32. coldwarrior
    32 | January 22, 2010 4:09 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    On Obama
    He now knows he is caught out in the open, only fools or others who wish to profit from his commie hell days do not see. He has nothing to lose.
    He will now do all he is able to get away with of the destruction he has in his head. All of it now he will push, cap and trade, tax the rich, hurt the banks, hurt commerce, hurt the curency, hurt the infrastrucure, hurt the war effort, hurt the defence, cut wages, cut employment, screw with tax collections, get the Congress even more disfunctional, sow race hate, hurt the reserch labs, give out defence secrets, any and all up to in your face treason.
    IMHO

    BINGO!!!!

    tfk with the true words


  33. vagabond trader
    33 | January 22, 2010 4:10 pm

    @ teacake:

    Heres their non emergency #. Just explain your concern and her circumstances.

    Non-Emergency Number: 301-279-8000


  34. vagabond trader
    34 | January 22, 2010 4:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    He’ll be taking down those Greek columns with the temple, huh tfk?


  35. coldwarrior
    35 | January 22, 2010 4:12 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    He’ll be taking down those Greek columns with the temple, huh tfk?

    you know it


  36. coldwarrior
    36 | January 22, 2010 4:13 pm

    i believe, that the friday drinking thread tonight at 2100 is about vodka and is part 1 of many.

    and with that

    the bar is open.

    martinis?


  37. chickadee
    37 | January 22, 2010 4:13 pm

    Zero was such a buffoon today in Ohio. All abt. him. Krauthammer noted that 78% of the Mass voters said the sole reason they voted for Scott Brown was because he said he would kill Zerocare.
    They voted against Zero and his Death Care power grab.

    It is stunning that the arrogant Zero cabal couldn’t care less what we want. They have no idea they work for us. They are insufferable communist scum. And the people of America are rising up to smite them.


  38. 38 | January 22, 2010 4:15 pm

    Thanks Vagabond, was having trouble finding anything!


  39. wolfie
    39 | January 22, 2010 4:15 pm

    @ teacake:

    Try the Bethesda police first.

    Then locate churches in the neighborhood and start calling the ministers/priests. A friend of mine once had a similar problem with her aunt and did that. She finally got hold of a Pentacostalist preacher who drove over to auntie’s house.


  40. coldwarrior
    40 | January 22, 2010 4:15 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    Zero was such a buffoon today in Ohio. All abt. him. Krauthammer noted that 78% of the Mass voters said the sole reason they voted for Scott Brown was because he said he would kill Zerocare.
    They voted against Zero and his Death Care power grab.
    It is stunning that the arrogant Zero cabal couldn’t care less what we want. They have no idea they work for us. They are insufferable communist scum. And the people of America are rising up to smite them.

    the kabal knows that this is their only chance for many year to get the proggie shit that they want.

    are they willing to ‘suicide legislate’? i think they are.


  41. vagabond trader
    41 | January 22, 2010 4:16 pm

    @ teacake:

    Good luck, hope your friend is alright. Rough being so alone.


  42. LGoPs
    42 | January 22, 2010 4:19 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    chickadee wrote:
    Zero was such a buffoon today in Ohio. All abt. him. Krauthammer noted that 78% of the Mass voters said the sole reason they voted for Scott Brown was because he said he would kill Zerocare.
    They voted against Zero and his Death Care power grab.
    It is stunning that the arrogant Zero cabal couldn’t care less what we want. They have no idea they work for us. They are insufferable communist scum. And the people of America are rising up to smite them.
    the kabal knows that this is their only chance for many year to get the proggie shit that they want.
    are they willing to ’suicide legislate’? i think they are.

    Some wag on another site said the Democrats are committing ‘suicide by voter’…..


  43. refugee000
    43 | January 22, 2010 4:20 pm

    Anyone see der blog fuhrer’s posts today?
    First time in forever that he’s not posting “teabaggger news”.
    One is about Mahathir’s insane rant on 9/11 and Jews and another about rebuilding on the 9/11 site.

    If I were a cynic, I’d say he’s sensing a shift in popular sentiment. ;-)


  44. coldwarrior
    44 | January 22, 2010 4:20 pm

    @ LGoPs:

    i mean suicide legislate like i mean suicide bomb.


  45. lobo91
    45 | January 22, 2010 4:20 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Saw that.

    Maybe it was transported here.

    No idea who built it.


  46. vagabond trader
    46 | January 22, 2010 4:20 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Good, keep the pressure up and they’ll find him curled up in a corner sucking his thumb and mewling like a wet kitten.


  47. LGoPs
    47 | January 22, 2010 4:21 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ LGoPs:
    i mean suicide legislate like i mean suicide bomb.

    Gotcha.


  48. Dolphin
    48 | January 22, 2010 4:21 pm

    @ wolfie:
    Exactly what I was thinking.


  49. vagabond trader
    49 | January 22, 2010 4:21 pm

    @ refugee000:

    Well he can sit on that shift and rotate.


  50. vagabond trader
    50 | January 22, 2010 4:23 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Our shack had so many code violations it took us about 8 years and a small fortune to fix the ones we could.


  51. coldwarrior
    51 | January 22, 2010 4:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Saw that.
    Maybe it was transported here.
    No idea who built it.

    your house is ubiquitous here.


  52. wolfie
    52 | January 22, 2010 4:24 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:
    @ coldwarrior:

    I fear you guys are right.


  53. coldwarrior
    53 | January 22, 2010 4:25 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    @ taxfreekiller:
    @ coldwarrior:
    I fear you guys are right.

    this hellcare fight aint over.


  54. Nikis Knight
    54 | January 22, 2010 4:26 pm

    refugee000 wrote:

    Anyone see der blog fuhrer’s posts today?
    First time in forever that he’s not posting “teabaggger news”.
    One is about Mahathir’s insane rant on 9/11 and Jews and another about rebuilding on the 9/11 site.
    If I were a cynic, I’d say he’s sensing a shift in popular sentiment.

    Eek, the left can keep him!


  55. 55 | January 22, 2010 4:26 pm

    That was a strange call Vagabond! LOL But they will send someone out and said for me to call in about 30 min for a report on the situation.

    They asked if she had any mental problems that I knew of. Is that standard?


  56. 56 | January 22, 2010 4:29 pm

    Hawaii has been run by Democrats for as long as anyone can remember. The U.S. Congress, Hawaii 1st District seat has only been held by a Republican once since 1961.
    Tax and Spend Democrat Congressman Niel Abercrombie is resigning to run for Governor and the Congressional seat will be open for a possible special election in May, 2010.
    Here is a chance to send a Republican from Hawaii to Washington. Hawaii has a chance, like Massachusetts, send a message that the seat is not the property of the Democratic Party.
    Here in Hawaii, the media is treating it as a given that a Democrat will win the election.
    Does anyone want to help support the Republican Candidate in this election?


  57. vagabond trader
    57 | January 22, 2010 4:30 pm

    @ teacake:

    Yes,don’t worry.They need to be prepared for all possibilities and remember they don’t know you or her at all. They get some pretty off the wall sh*t on a daily basis. I used to work a crisis hotline for the mentally ill. Oy!


  58. snowcrash
    58 | January 22, 2010 4:31 pm

    @ chickadee:
    He visited a wind turbine factory. Sure that will create many jobs. NOT! If he suggested new construction of 10 nuclear powerplants, think of the jobs in construction, engineering etc. Then the good paying jobs continue after it is on line for operations and maintenance etc. Those are real jobs. Oh well, just my 2 cents.


  59. 59 | January 22, 2010 4:31 pm

    @ teacake:

    Call the Police ASAP.


  60. 60 | January 22, 2010 4:31 pm

    Wow. Charles has a masturbatory post about himself that got a whole 33 comments. Even the psychophants are uncomfortable with him being fellated by former enemies. Congrats, Charles! You’ve joined the MFMSM. You have to be almost as proud as when KKKilgore went and burned a cross on Hot Air’s lawn!


  61. coldwarrior
    61 | January 22, 2010 4:32 pm

    @ IslandLibertarian:

    there are republicans in HI?

    really

    ;)


  62. 62 | January 22, 2010 4:32 pm

    Oy is right. LOL This lady isn’t mentally ill, but she is super high strung and doesn’t have really great people skills. She sounded really disoriented on the phone. She could barely pronounce words.

    I’ve known her only from blogs for about 10 years and have spoke with her a few times. But you are correct, I don’t know her know her.


  63. snowcrash
    63 | January 22, 2010 4:34 pm

    @ refugee000:
    Saw this mention of a new Vanity Fair article on the husky blogger at Ace’s earlier today.
    http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2010/01/ex-conservative-charles-johnsons-next-crusade.html
    Whatever.


  64. 64 | January 22, 2010 4:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ teacake:
    Call the Police ASAP.

    I just got off the phone with them Rodan and they are going over to check on her. I’m to call them in about 30 min.


  65. Dolphin
    65 | January 22, 2010 4:35 pm

    @ IslandLibertarian:
    Who is running? Any names yet? I have a personal reason for asking, but no influence.


  66. vagabond trader
    66 | January 22, 2010 4:35 pm

    @ snowcrash:

    Windmills, what a joke.Next stop the clown car asylum.


  67. vagabond trader
    67 | January 22, 2010 4:37 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    IF check the link in #16. You’ll likee. :twisted:


  68. 68 | January 22, 2010 4:37 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    clown car asylum.

    Have you ever seen the movie Shakes the Clown?


  69. vagabond trader
    69 | January 22, 2010 4:39 pm

    @ teacake:

    Nooooooo! I destest clowns. They remind me of pervs and no I never had a “bad” experience,lol.


  70. 70 | January 22, 2010 4:40 pm

    @ snowcrash:
    They HAD to use an old pix of him since he poofed up so much and his eyes got smaller and beadier. lol


  71. wolfie
    71 | January 22, 2010 4:42 pm

    IslandLibertarian wrote:

    Does anyone want to help support the Republican Candidate in this election?

    Yes. I’d like some info!


  72. 72 | January 22, 2010 4:43 pm

    If the vote was national, then it’s a no-confidence vote against Harry Reid. Reid should resign as Majority Leader.

    I happen to agree, by the way. I think the whole government is in the process of imploding.


  73. Guggi
    73 | January 22, 2010 4:44 pm

    @ teacake:

    Teacake:

    In a previsious thread you asked about some exercises. Exercises are never wrong but before you start you should read this.


  74. vagabond trader
    74 | January 22, 2010 4:46 pm

    lol,another excellent analysis of the dimena of Black Jesus© from the WaPo no less.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/21/AR2010012103499.html


  75. 75 | January 22, 2010 4:47 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ teacake:
    Nooooooo! I destest clowns. They remind me of pervs and no I never had a “bad” experience,lol.

    Then you would like that movie VT. Most people in the town are down and out alchie clowns. Even Aunt Elizabeth from Sanford and Son is one of the clowns hanging out in the bar. Julie Brown (valley girl not downtown) is Shakes girlfriend and she has a hilariously cute speech impediment. Shakes is played by — forgot his name, sorry.

    Okay cops went – she is okay and she called me to say she is okay.


  76. vagabond trader
    76 | January 22, 2010 4:48 pm

    @ teacake:

    Good work! Wonder what she thought when they came to her door,lol.


  77. 77 | January 22, 2010 4:48 pm

    @ Guggi:
    Hey Guggi, how did you know it was M related! LOL


  78. Speranza
    78 | January 22, 2010 4:49 pm

    We have an opportunity to save our country this November – however I would feel more sanguine if we had someone other then Michael steele at the the head of the RNC.


  79. Guggi
    79 | January 22, 2010 4:51 pm

    teacake wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Hey Guggi, how did you know it was M related! LOL

    I read your comments ;-)


  80. 80 | January 22, 2010 4:51 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    When she hung up she laughed and told me to not call the cops anymore. LOL I also got her phone number just now, which I didn’t have before.


  81. wolfie
    81 | January 22, 2010 4:51 pm

    @ teacake:

    Wow! Good news. I’m impressed with the Bethesda PD! :D


  82. Empire1
    82 | January 22, 2010 4:51 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    NutroUltra dog food promises a firmer, more compact dog stool.Says it right on the bag. My dog is only 15 lbs, so it isn’t a major selling point for me.

    Give him/her marrowbones. That’ll firm things up! I’ve got a 30-pounder and an 86-pounder, and I know! :D


  83. Speranza
    83 | January 22, 2010 4:51 pm

    refugee000 wrote:

    Anyone see der blog fuhrer’s posts today?
    First time in forever that he’s not posting “teabaggger news”.
    One is about Mahathir’s insane rant on 9/11 and Jews and another about rebuilding on the 9/11 site.

    If I were a cynic, I’d say he’s sensing a shift in popular sentiment.

    Who would ever trust him again?


  84. 84 | January 22, 2010 4:52 pm

    @ Guggi:
    Over 40 is code. LOL


  85. chickadee
    85 | January 22, 2010 4:52 pm

    I want to stop anything Zero wants to do. Sight unseen, on principle, I know he has nothing good in mind for us. What, in his first year has he tried to do that would benefit the country? Nothing but power grabs, huge spending sprees and bailouts. We need to block him at every turn. Enough of this arrogant pos who has NEVER listened to us. Has NEVER responded to us except to call us names and say we made the mess, tell us we are the problem, we just don’t get his genius. Zero you are NOT going to wreck this country.


  86. 86 | January 22, 2010 4:52 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Heh™

    One shot, one soul…


  87. coldwarrior
    87 | January 22, 2010 4:52 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    We have an opportunity to save our country this November – however I would feel more sanguine if we had someone other then Michael steele at the the head of the RNC.

    he’ll do, for now.

    we are not going to get mas change overnight…incremental ousting of rino’s takes time.

    the right is nowhere near as patient as the proggie left, those cats have been at the same policies for over a hundred years


  88. Speranza
    88 | January 22, 2010 4:54 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    @ refugee000:
    Saw this mention of a new Vanity Fair article on the husky blogger at Ace’s earlier today.
    http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2010/01/ex-conservative-charles-johnsons-next-crusade.html
    Whatever.

    From the article

    A self-described classical liberal with nothing but disdain for the religious right, Johnson would eventually discover that he had very little in common with modern conservatives or even the bulk of his own readership.

    Screw you chubby!


  89. vagabond trader
    89 | January 22, 2010 4:54 pm

    @ Speranza:

    That is one of my fears and why candidate selection has to be done on a local level.I read that anyone can become a local precinct captain and then you have a say in who gets the nod to run in your district/state.


  90. 90 | January 22, 2010 4:54 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    @ teacake:
    Wow! Good news. I’m impressed with the Bethesda PD!

    Well, she is close to 70 so it would have been not nice at all to not check. But this is 2010.


  91. 91 | January 22, 2010 4:56 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Screw you chubby!

    I thought you were talking to me! LOL Anyhow, thanks for the input everyone. I’m going out for a bit.


  92. vagabond trader
    92 | January 22, 2010 4:56 pm

    @ teacake:

    Most PDs will do this. To protect and serve and all that.


  93. snork
    93 | January 22, 2010 4:57 pm

    refugee000 wrote:

    Anyone see der blog fuhrer’s posts today?
    First time in forever that he’s not posting “teabaggger news”.
    One is about Mahathir’s insane rant on 9/11 and Jews and another about rebuilding on the 9/11 site.
    If I were a cynic, I’d say he’s sensing a shift in popular sentiment.

    He was against the tea parties before he was for them…


  94. 94 | January 22, 2010 4:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:
    From the article

    A self-described classical liberal with nothing but disdain for the religious right, Johnson would eventually discover that he had very little in common with modern conservatives or even the bulk of his own readership.
    “Eventually discover”? Make me laugh. Johnson knew what he was doing. He had the purge planned out.


  95. Speranza
    95 | January 22, 2010 4:58 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    The GOP establishment is the problem.


  96. vagabond trader
    96 | January 22, 2010 5:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Thought you’d appreciate that. Love how our troops are ordering the stuff. Would have been a neat go with for the biblical sights.Atheists are no fun. No fun at all. :-)


  97. Guggi
    97 | January 22, 2010 5:00 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Johnson would eventually discover that he had very little in common with modern conservatives or even the bulk of his own readership.

    But he didn’t have a problem to take their money and their support to make him “famous”, right ?


  98. 98 | January 22, 2010 5:01 pm

    @ IslandLibertarian:

    Hey why is Hawaii very Leftwing? I would think they would be more Libertarian-Conservative.


  99. snork
    99 | January 22, 2010 5:01 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Wow. Charles has a masturbatory post about himself that got a whole 33 comments. Even the psychophants are uncomfortable with him being fellated by former enemies. Congrats, Charles! You’ve joined the MFMSM. You have to be almost as proud as when KKKilgore went and burned a cross on Hot Air’s lawn!

    I saw that. Vanity Fair, indeed. :mrgreen:


  100. coldwarrior
    100 | January 22, 2010 5:01 pm

    Rep. Frank: Abolish Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac .

    huh?


  101. Speranza
    101 | January 22, 2010 5:02 pm

    Zimriel wrote:

    A self-described classical liberal with nothing but disdain for the religious right, Johnson would eventually discover that he had very little in common with modern conservatives or even the bulk of his own readership.
    “Eventually discover”? Make me laugh. Johnson knew what he was doing. He had the purge planned out.

    Correctamundo. I mean from 2002 – 07 or 08 he was every bit the “right winger” as his posters were. He is so full of shit. Anyone with a brain and a computer can go through his archives and see the types of threads he posted – Religion of Peace, St. Pancake, Seething Muslims, Palestinian Car Swarm Watch, etc.


  102. 102 | January 22, 2010 5:02 pm

    @ Speranza:


    A self-described classical liberal

    He’s a not that. He’s a New Left Totalitarian Progressive radical.


  103. 103 | January 22, 2010 5:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ IslandLibertarian:

    Hey why is Hawaii very Leftwing? I would think they would be more Libertarian-Conservative.

    Identity politics. It has Polynesians who have become convinced that they are stronger than whites, and that it’s fun to be strong.


  104. Speranza
    104 | January 22, 2010 5:03 pm

    snork wrote:

    I saw that. Vanity Fair, indeed

    Soon James Wolcott that Jon Lovitz lookalike anti Semite will be praising him.


  105. 105 | January 22, 2010 5:03 pm

    @ snork:

    Vanity fairy…fly, little fairy, fly…


  106. Speranza
    106 | January 22, 2010 5:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    He’s a not that. He’s a New Left Totalitarian Progressive radical.

    Classic Liberals are what we now call conservatives.


  107. vagabond trader
    107 | January 22, 2010 5:04 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Sure abolish and bury all the evidence of his involvement in the massive fraud.


  108. 108 | January 22, 2010 5:04 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yup, he was a Conservative in that era. He also didn’t allow criticism of Bush.


  109. 109 | January 22, 2010 5:05 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Correct!


  110. coldwarrior
    110 | January 22, 2010 5:06 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Sure abolish and bury all the evidence of his involvement in the massive fraud.

    good call on that.


  111. vagabond trader
    111 | January 22, 2010 5:07 pm

    Who the he11 is doing PR for Nancy? I mean really, aside from a very small corner of the internet universe, he is really quite the pipsqueak in the scheme of things.


  112. Guggi
    112 | January 22, 2010 5:07 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yup, he was a Conservative in that era. He also didn’t allow criticism of Bush.

    He is a control freak.


  113. 113 | January 22, 2010 5:07 pm

    The SPLC on anti-white racism in Hawaii. Yes, it’s that bad.

    Taking the Caribbean angle (if I may, Rodan) although there were slave revolts and protests in Barbados, and I assume the Dominican Republic, Barbados and the DR haven’t been setting about trying to drive off its white population. If Hawaii wants to become the Pacific Haiti, they’re going the right way about it.


  114. Speranza
    114 | January 22, 2010 5:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yup, he was a Conservative in that era. He also didn’t allow criticism of Bush.

    He was as right-wing as I was. We both were choicers and believers of the separation of church and state, yet we both knew who the enemy was. I never sold out, he did. He had no problems with people like Iron Fist, buzzsawmonkey, BabbaZee, loppyd, AG in Houston, Poiters-Lepanto, zulubaby – all of whome were very conservative. He was one of us!


  115. yah
    115 | January 22, 2010 5:08 pm

    What Obama and his communist buddies are going to do:

    Change TACTICS.

    1. Shut down talk radio
    2. Shut down Fox News
    3. Police the internet
    4. Tax churches “out of business.”
    5. Take complete control of education. (Pretty much already done, except for those pesky home schoolers)
    6. Restrict travel. (How about raising gas to $5.50 a gallon)
    7. Pack the Supreme Court with “reds.”

    After that, the shooting match is all over. We will be stupid and helpless.

    And don’t think that your guns will help you. They won’t. It will be too late. You really think you can win a gunfight with the local cops? Or ATF?


  116. 116 | January 22, 2010 5:08 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I doubt seriusly that Charles even knows who John Locke was.


  117. coldwarrior
    117 | January 22, 2010 5:08 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Who the he11 is doing PR for Nancy? I mean really, aside from a very small corner of the internet universe, he is really quite the pipsqueak in the scheme of things.

    exactly!

    which is why i ignore him.

    why we obsess over him and lgf at this point in time is beyond me. the purges ended months ago. its over


  118. vagabond trader
    118 | January 22, 2010 5:09 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Feeling the hot breath of those hellhounds on his tail? Then again Barney might enjoy that kind of action. ;-)


  119. Speranza
    119 | January 22, 2010 5:11 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I doubt seriusly that Charles even knows who John Locke was.

    I always found his knowledge of history to be rather how should I say – sparse.


  120. 120 | January 22, 2010 5:11 pm

    @ Zimriel:

    The Euro-Latins(Spanish, Italian, Portuguese) and Lebanese (My Family) run Dominican Republic. Then the Mix people are the Middle class. The Blacks the lower class. Although with the economic growth of the last 15 years it’s changed alot. Plus all the Baseball Players.


  121. coldwarrior
    121 | January 22, 2010 5:11 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Feeling the hot breath of those hellhounds on his tail? Then again Barney might enjoy that kind of action.

    isnt his boyfriend in charge of fanny or freddy?


  122. Speranza
    122 | January 22, 2010 5:11 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    why we obsess over him and lgf at this point in time is beyond me. the purges ended months ago. its over

    We don’t obsess. We mock when the timing is appropriate such as that Vanity Fair puff piece.


  123. snork
    123 | January 22, 2010 5:12 pm

    And you wonder why donkeys win elections. Here’s the “candidates” page on my state GOP’s website:

    List of 2010 candidates coming soon!

    For a roster of federal candidates who have filed with the Federal Elections Commission, click here for an interactive map.

    Clicky no worky.

    Jeebers with a peanut butter sandwich! The other side doesn’t have a goalie, and what are our guys doing? Get your thumbs out of your butts!!!


  124. Dolphin
    124 | January 22, 2010 5:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I didn’t until I listened to 5000 year leap. Still don’t have a full grasp of his significance as related to history. But, I am still learning history that was not taught to me in school (the old fashion way – reading and research).


  125. Guggi
    125 | January 22, 2010 5:12 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Yup, he was a Conservative in that era. He also didn’t allow criticism of Bush.
    He was as right-wing as I was. We both were choicers and believers of the separation of church and state, yet we both knew who the enemy was. I never sold out, he did. He had no problems with people like Iron Fist, buzzsawmonkey, BabbaZee, loppyd, AG in Houston, Poiters-Lepanto, zulubaby – all of whome were very conservative. He was one of us!

    Did Poiters-Lepanto leave or was he banned ?


  126. vagabond trader
    126 | January 22, 2010 5:13 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    One of them was, difficult to keep tabs on them. The latest boytoy is the pot cultivator.


  127. coldwarrior
    127 | January 22, 2010 5:13 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    why we obsess over him and lgf at this point in time is beyond me. the purges ended months ago. its over
    We don’t obsess. We mock when the timing is appropriate such as that Vanity Fair puff piece.

    kos and huffpo have much more ‘power/readers’ and we never go after them…its always chuckie and lgf.


  128. 128 | January 22, 2010 5:14 pm

    We weren’t his kinda people after all. LOL


  129. 129 | January 22, 2010 5:16 pm

    @ yah:

    There’s actually something on that in Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipeligo. What if the ATF, local cops, whatever had to worry about coming home after their actions? Not in the general way cops do right now, but with the knowledge that they would be walking into multiple ambushes, constant threat of death, from the get go? Would they still be willing to go out, facing near certain death?

    Solzhenitsyn asked that about the Blue Caps. I ask that about law enforcement in general. How much worse, if the military sides with the civilians against them?


  130. coldwarrior
    130 | January 22, 2010 5:17 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    bingo


  131. wolfie
    131 | January 22, 2010 5:18 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    But he didn’t have a problem to take their money and their support to make him “famous”, right ?

    Heh.

    He hasn’t changed! He never agreed with all of those commenters! And yet he doesn’t mind being styled an “ex-conservative” and a “former right-wing blogger.”

    Well, it does sound nicer than “opportunist” and sells better too.


  132. vagabond trader
    132 | January 22, 2010 5:19 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The cops are with us. That is one union that did not support the commie in chief.


  133. 133 | January 22, 2010 5:19 pm

    @ wolfie:

    He’s just a frustrated 3rd rate Jazz Artist.


  134. snork
    134 | January 22, 2010 5:20 pm

    Oh my: Huckabee 45, Obama 44

    I don’t like Huck, but…


  135. chickadee
    135 | January 22, 2010 5:21 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    why we obsess over him and lgf at this point in time is beyond me. the purges ended months ago. its over

    We don’t obsess. We mock when the timing is appropriate such as that Vanity Fair puff piece.

    Isn’t the puff piece writer a friend of his and partner in leftism. It’s a back scratch scrawl. Now CJ owes him. No one would write abt. him unless it’s a reciprocal kind of mutual fawning. Losers, both of them.


  136. kansas
    136 | January 22, 2010 5:21 pm

    Somebody wrote: Some wag on another site said the Democrats are committing ’suicide by voter’

    Isn’t it too bad they can’t go ahead and do that now instead of us having to suffer through more of this.


  137. vagabond trader
    137 | January 22, 2010 5:21 pm

    @ snork:

    Michelle Bachmann!


  138. 138 | January 22, 2010 5:21 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    Locke was critical. Life, liberty, and property as rights were his idea. The right of revolution was his idea. He was original, in the history of the world. He is to political theory what Sun Tzu was to warfare. Pivotal. Irreplaceable.


  139. Speranza
    139 | January 22, 2010 5:23 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    kos and huffpo have much more ‘power/readers’ and we never go after them…its always chuckie and lgf.

    Because we have a history with LGF.


  140. Dolphin
    140 | January 22, 2010 5:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Any reading materials you can point me to? BTW – thanks for the info. I really didn’t like the 5000 y-l, I found that it jumped from one topic to another, without completing the previous “thought”.


  141. coldwarrior
    141 | January 22, 2010 5:25 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    why we obsess over him and lgf at this point in time is beyond me. the purges ended months ago. its over
    We don’t obsess. We mock when the timing is appropriate such as that Vanity Fair puff piece.

    Isn’t the puff piece writer a friend of his and partner in leftism. It’s a back scratch scrawl. Now CJ owes him. No one would write abt. him unless it’s a reciprocal kind of mutual fawning. Losers, both of them.

    thats fine, i guess.

    it just seems to me that at this point commenting on him and lgf while never going after the rest of the left blogs is us just looking backward…

    imho


  142. snork
    142 | January 22, 2010 5:26 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ snork:
    Michelle Bachmann!

    Bachmann/West ’12!


  143. vagabond trader
    143 | January 22, 2010 5:29 pm

    @ snork:

    I like!


  144. chickadee
    144 | January 22, 2010 5:35 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    It was such a personal betrayal. I think everyone is letting go at there own pace. I seldom think of the smelly creep. And I never check in over there. He’s irrelevant to me.


  145. Dolphin
    145 | January 22, 2010 5:36 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    In my opinion, I think that those of us from the early (2001 – 2004) era of lgf’s feel that we were led by the nose with a bull ring into chaz’s lions den. We are pissed and feel betrayed. I no longer have those feelings, and really don’t care what is said “over there.” I think it will take some longer than others to get to this point. I was not a big poster, but did wait, on baited breath, for my chance to get the opportunity to get registered and more importantly, there were a lot of posters that were heavily involved in the day to day dialog(s).

    I value this place like I valued lgf back in the day; it educates me, teaches me things I did not know and allows me to ask questions and post comments that are not taken out of context (or if so, are not attacked for it, but asked for clarification) or any other “hidden agendas” that one may project or perceive.


  146. wolfie
    146 | January 22, 2010 5:38 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Locke was critical. Life, liberty, and property as rights were his idea. The right of revolution was his idea. He was original, in the history of the world. He is to political theory what Sun Tzu was to warfare. Pivotal. Irreplaceable.

    Agreed on all points…..except for his radical originality. He was heir to a long line of thought. No one sums that line up better, though.


  147. Dolphin
    147 | January 22, 2010 5:41 pm

    @ chickadee:
    Does anyone, other than me, see that, time and time again posters reiterate another’s sediments and the just “happen” to be back to back posts. It is very funny and interesting. Even posts that have the same links.

    To me it just shows that we are truly of very similar mind sets!


  148. Speranza
    148 | January 22, 2010 5:46 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    It was such a personal betrayal.

    Exactly. The betrayal was personal and it hurt especially for the long time veterans there. However when we see the shit house it has become – good riddance!


  149. 149 | January 22, 2010 5:46 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    Two Treatises of Government. Instead of reading what other people say about him, read his work first. Locke is critical for understanding where Madison and Jefferson came from.


  150. wolfie
    150 | January 22, 2010 5:46 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    :lol:
    Great minds think alike!
    Yet we still have varied opinions and different ways of approaching subjects.


  151. Speranza
    151 | January 22, 2010 5:48 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    In my opinion, I think that those of us from the early (2001 – 2004) era of lgf’s feel that we were led by the nose with a bull ring into chaz’s lions den. We are pissed and feel betrayed.

    I first posted there in early 2002. Felt that I gave 7 years of my life to that place.


  152. Dolphin
    152 | January 22, 2010 5:58 pm

    @ wolfie:
    Exactly. It is what adds to the value of the content posted here. It is what I find most informative.


  153. Dolphin
    153 | January 22, 2010 6:00 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Did you have the same screen name? If so, I apologize, I don’t remember you.


  154. Speranza
    154 | January 22, 2010 6:02 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    Did you have the same screen name? If so, I apologize, I don’t remember you.

    No I had a different name. I still am registered on LGF although I have not posted there in 13 months.


  155. Dolphin
    155 | January 22, 2010 6:03 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Thank you! Bookmarked.

    BTW – thanks to al’yal, I now have over five pages on my “wishlist” – the problem is, I have to decide which I will purchase and listen to next! I love this problem!


  156. wolfie
    156 | January 22, 2010 6:04 pm

    @ Dolphin:
    @ Speranza:

    I think you early commenters — the Class of 2004, as CJ sneeringly calls you, you who made that blog —must feel the betrayal most keenly.

    I didn’t register until early 2006 myself.


  157. coldwarrior
    157 | January 22, 2010 6:04 pm

    @ Speranza:

    2003-2008, here for info


  158. chickadee
    158 | January 22, 2010 6:08 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    Does anyone, other than me, see that, time and time again posters reiterate another’s sediments and the just “happen” to be back to back posts. It is very funny and interesting. Even posts that have the same links.

    To me it just shows that we are truly of very similar mind sets!

    Yes, I noticed we were doing some mind reading.
    :) I love it.


  159. Dolphin
    159 | January 22, 2010 6:09 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I think that I am seeing a pattern with regards to those here and those that posted on lgf early on. I know that when I came here I did not register and post with my lgf screen name. I now realize that this may be very, very true of some here. All I have to say, is that is why I am reading this blog and not the other. Thanks again!


  160. chickadee
    160 | January 22, 2010 6:09 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    chickadee wrote:

    It was such a personal betrayal.

    Exactly. The betrayal was personal and it hurt especially for the long time veterans there. However when we see the shit house it has become – good riddance!

    Totally agree


  161. Dolphin
    161 | January 22, 2010 6:14 pm

    @ chickadee:
    I do also. It makes me feel like what I am thinking and my opinion is not in vain.

    Even though I don’t often post or share, realize that there are those out here (never, never land) that are looking and searching for those that think the same way.


  162. coldwarrior
    162 | January 22, 2010 6:23 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    well, you’re welcome…but its the readers here that get all the credit. the admins and posters are nothing without readers.


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