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The Mother of all Conspiracies

by snork ( 136 Comments › )
Filed under Crime, Economy at January 23rd, 2010 - 12:00 pm

Here is a story with something for everyone: Big Tobacco, Islamic terrorists (yes, I said that; sue me), Hezbollah, CAIR, the ATF, Koreans, Italians, Bloomberg, and Exxon, Glenn Beck, and the Vatican have gotta be in there somewhere.

Undercover ATF agents in Virginia have funneled more than 250 million cigarettes onto the nation’s streets in the past three years through black market sales targeting smugglers, an Associated Press review has found.

[...]

Many of those cigarettes undoubtedly wind up in the mouths of minors, since black market vendors have no reason to turn away teenage purchasers.

Despite that, government auditors and anti-tobacco groups want the ATF to do even more.

So… Our friends at the BATF are selling cigs to kids. And the anti-tobacco groups want them to crank it up. Why? Because NYC has, by far, the highest tobacco taxes in the country. So why is BATF focusing on these rings that sell in the city? Because the NYC city government is losing significant tax revenue.

The Department of Justice, the ATF’s parent agency, estimates that federal, state and local governments lose out on $5 billion annually in tax revenue from cigarettes sold through illegitimate channels.

So the feds are trying to maintain the city’s tax collections.

…Eastern District of Virginia, which includes Richmond, northern Virginia and the Interstate 95 corridor. The area is a hotbed for the crime because while 42 states and the District of Columbia have collectively passed more than 80 tax hikes on cigarettes since 2002, Virginia and North Carolina, the heart of tobacco country, still tax tobacco at only pennies per pack.

“The profit margin on this is ridiculous,” said Ashan Benedict, resident agent in charge of the bureau’s office in Falls Church, Va. “It’s not that hard to find a customer who wants to save $40 a carton.”

That’s a very interesting comment, coming from a fed. It’s profit if smugglers do it. When the city taxes it away, is it still a ridiculous profit margin?

The Virginia agents say they focus on cigarette smuggling in large part because the investigations often turn up other crimes. The ATF’s Richmond office went so far as to set up its own store in King George, Va., called KG Wholesale, which advertised in Arabic-language newspapers and elsewhere. The store was set up with audio and video surveillance to record the transactions, all of which were illegal undercover sales.

Uh-oh. Profiling. They’re setting up stings for Arabic speakers only.

The planners of the storefront sting were aware that cigarette smuggling has been a source of terrorist funding in the past – in 2002 a federal jury in North Carolina convicted two Lebanese citizens of diverting millions of dollars in cigarette smuggling proceeds to the radical Islamic group Hezbollah – and were anxious to disrupt other similar money trails.

Agent Ken Mosley is confident that investigations like the KG case disrupt terror financing, but he acknowledged evidence was insufficient to bring terrorism charges.

“There is no doubt in my mind that we have arrested people involved in terrorism,” Mosley said.

Now they dunnit.

The focus on Arabic-speaking smugglers in the KG Wholesale investigation – the store did not run ads in other foreign-language papers – smacks of profiling, said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim civil rights group.

“Obviously it would be a concern if they targeted only Muslims and/or Arab-Americans,” Hooper said.

Well, Dougie, you may have a point there.

The focus on Arabic-speaking smugglers in the KG Wholesale investigation – the store did not run ads in other foreign-language papers – smacks of profiling, said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim civil rights group.

“Obviously it would be a concern if they targeted only Muslims and/or Arab-Americans,” Hooper said.

But they aren’t the only ones involved:

Benedict and Fairfax County Police Lt. David Smith had the Korean smugglers convinced they were Italian mobsters. In the KG case, Mosley said agents would get angry or cagey if their customers asked where all the cigarettes were coming from.

And to round out the roster of unsavory characters, we have:

In fact, the cigarettes come from the same places the legitimate ones do: Big Tobacco. Under an ATF program, tobacco corporations supply cigarettes for stings and are repaid with the proceeds from the sales.

So it’s all a big conspiracy to put money in the hands of (gasp!!!!!!!) Big Tobacco at the expense of NYC taxpayers!!!!!11 But I shouldn’t be telling you about this, because you’re probably getting kickbacks, too.

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  1. coldwarrior
    1 | January 23, 2010 12:06 pm

    wow!

    i’m surprised the illuminati werent involved!


  2. 2 | January 23, 2010 12:07 pm

    Big Tobacco is behind Obama’s problems.


  3. 3 | January 23, 2010 12:08 pm

    Italian Mobsters, that means the Vatican is involved somewhere.


  4. snork
    4 | January 23, 2010 12:08 pm

    I’m still waiting for my denier check.


  5. 5 | January 23, 2010 12:09 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    wow!
    i’m surprised the illuminati werent involved!

    Their involvement will be highlighted in part 2.


  6. 6 | January 23, 2010 12:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Big Tobacco is behind Obama’s problems.

    And he still smokes, what a fantastic conjunction! He’s financing his own enemies!


  7. 7 | January 23, 2010 12:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Italian Mobsters, that means the Vatican is involved somewhere.

    When will the JUICE be implicated?


  8. coldwarrior
    8 | January 23, 2010 12:11 pm

    FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    wow!
    i’m surprised the illuminati werent involved!

    Their involvement will be highlighted in part 2.

    cool! ’cause it aint a real conspiracy unless the Illuminati or the cfr are involved!


  9. vagabond trader
    9 | January 23, 2010 12:11 pm

    OK, give us the skinny on AGW deniers,wherever big tobacco appears they aren’t far behind.


  10. MrPaulRevere
    10 | January 23, 2010 12:12 pm

    Snork, you left out the “Rushdooney cult”. And I’m sure Sen. James Inhofe is involved with this, some how! ///


  11. 11 | January 23, 2010 12:12 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    cool! ’cause it aint a real conspiracy unless the Illuminati or the cfr are involved!

    No real conspiracy is complete without the JUICE being involved either.


  12. mjazz
    12 | January 23, 2010 12:13 pm

    No conspiracy theory is complete without mention of the Zionists.


  13. vagabond trader
    13 | January 23, 2010 12:13 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:

    Well if theres a hezbollah connection, the mossad are on it without a doubt.


  14. mjazz
    14 | January 23, 2010 12:15 pm

    Did anyone else hear an echo?


  15. mjazz
    15 | January 23, 2010 12:15 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:
    GMTA


  16. 16 | January 23, 2010 12:16 pm

    Oh crap, snork, you pulled this from my hometown paper, the Tacoma [Washington] News Tribune. So very appropriate since the editors are big on conspiracies, the VRWC type ones.


  17. 17 | January 23, 2010 12:17 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    GMTA

    PMTA in my case ;)


  18. 18 | January 23, 2010 12:18 pm

    HOLY CRAP! All that happened right here where I live!

    WTF?


  19. vagabond trader
    19 | January 23, 2010 12:19 pm

    OT:

    Let the games begin. Hussein reassembling his election team to advise congressional races.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/us/politics/24union.html


  20. waldensianspirit
    20 | January 23, 2010 12:23 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Reveals incomprehension.


  21. snork
    21 | January 23, 2010 12:23 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    That’s proof that there is a G-d.


  22. 22 | January 23, 2010 12:25 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Why did he disband the team in the first place? He’s done nothing but continue campaigning since he was inaugurated.


  23. NoThreat2U
    23 | January 23, 2010 12:28 pm

    About a year and a half ago, the convenience store down the road from me was run by a Pakistani man. I always went in there and talked to him. First, he got arrested for using the credit card numbers from a POLICE OFFICER that came in there. Got a slap on the wrist for it. THEN, he got busted for selling smokes that he had shipped up here from Delaware…hence no PA taxes. He no longer runs the store.


  24. vagabond trader
    24 | January 23, 2010 12:28 pm

    LOL, methinks Hussein should purchase a few truckloads full of these tax free ciggies.


  25. vagabond trader
    25 | January 23, 2010 12:30 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Gah, my once favorite place to gas up was taken over by muzz males of unknown origin. They are of the hostile to females leering types and I never go there anymore.


  26. waldensianspirit
    26 | January 23, 2010 12:31 pm

    Remember a while back I was taking names for an NGO to supply Barry with continues cigs?

    There were quite a few great candidates: Cancer-for-Commies etc.


  27. Overlook
    27 | January 23, 2010 12:31 pm

    Big Tobacco and ATF. BFF.
    Where is the DHS? Has it updated its lexicon yet?


  28. 28 | January 23, 2010 12:31 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    BAFT already skimmed a few million ciggies off the top for the SOTUS, no charge.


  29. vagabond trader
    29 | January 23, 2010 12:34 pm

    @ Overlook:

    Where is the DHS? Has it updated its lexicon yet

    DHS is on crotch watch duty until further notice.


  30. waldensianspirit
    30 | January 23, 2010 12:34 pm

    governance = campaigning


  31. NoThreat2U
    31 | January 23, 2010 12:35 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Actually he was a very nice man. Being the smart assed bitch that I am, I usually showed up wearing my USMC sweatshirt or Tshirt. lol We used to talk a little politics. He disagreed with invading Iraq because the terrorists came from Saudi Arabie. I always wondered if he was genuinely nice or if it was all bullshit. Still not sure. lol


  32. Overlook
    32 | January 23, 2010 12:37 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Marlborough Mannequins
    Holy Smokes
    Fumers sans frontieres.


  33. Overlook
    33 | January 23, 2010 12:39 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Ha!


  34. vagabond trader
    34 | January 23, 2010 12:40 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    They lie, be careful with them especially the men. I’m serious.


  35. 35 | January 23, 2010 12:50 pm

    Doug Hoffman was the first sensation, plus he is leading all GOP opponents.

    http://jumpinginpools.blogspot.com/2010/01/doug-hoffman-was-first-sensation.html


  36. NoThreat2U
    36 | January 23, 2010 12:50 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    I agree. I was careful. Made sure I showed up with the old man a few times just to be clear. I really really hate distrusting people like that. It makes me angry that THEY made me this way.


  37. coldwarrior
    37 | January 23, 2010 12:56 pm

    timbok wrote:

    Doug Hoffman was the first sensation, plus he is leading all GOP opponents.
    http://jumpinginpools.blogspot.com/2010/01/doug-hoffman-was-first-sensation.html

    wow! annother drive by blog-pimping…thats 2 in one day.

    lemme tell ya a story, shithead. i used to tend bar in a town that had a bunch of bars. the clientele would go to whatever bar they felt like, no biggie, even the owners and the staffs would go where ever they pleased. if the owner of a bar went to another bar, he would have a drink or two, shoot the breeze, amybe get a burger or some wings…its cool.

    the bars are kinda like the blogs, see. we dont care if you pimp your blog here, but at least contribute to the conversation here while you do it…look at how dorian does it, works great.

    you are starting to get on our nerves, timbok


  38. mjazz
    38 | January 23, 2010 12:57 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    I went to a place owned by muzzes & one guy said the other guy was his brother and the other one said the first guy was his cousin.
    If you are going to lie at least get your story straight.


  39. AZfederalist
    39 | January 23, 2010 1:01 pm

    So… Our friends at the BATF are selling cigs to kids. And the anti-tobacco groups want them to crank it up. Why? Because NYC has, by far, the highest tobacco taxes in the country. So why is BATF focusing on these rings that sell in the city? Because the NYC city government is losing significant tax revenue.

    Why would anyone be surprised at this? This kind of thing is the norm when tax revenues are involved. For example, denatured alcohol is plain grain alcohol that has been made poisonous on purpose. The dentaturant does nothing for the function of the alcohol (thinning paints and lacquers, cleaning parts, etc.). As a matter of fact, the alcohol would probably work better without the poison for things like cleaning parts. However, because the government might lose some revenue to hard core alcohol addicts, manufacturers are forced by law to make a product that is dangerous to children and users. If any eeevil corporation was deliberately selling poisoned products to prevent people from using it instead of one of their flagship, high-profit products, people would he howling in protest and shouting for laws. When the government does it? …


  40. coldwarrior
    40 | January 23, 2010 1:03 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ vagabond trader:
    I went to a place owned by muzzes & one guy said the other guy was his brother and the other one said the first guy was his cousin.
    If you are going to lie at least get your story straight.

    there is a lebanese grocery near here, after 9/11 the two brothers that run it made very sure everyone knows that they are christian. its almost like walking into a church now!


  41. vagabond trader
    41 | January 23, 2010 1:09 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Hey, its one of those “cultural” things they bring with them. Women are chattel,just the way it is in their world.Its up to them to adapt, not us.


  42. snork
    42 | January 23, 2010 1:15 pm

    @ AZfederalist:
    I once worked at a plant that made artificial vanilla. Most of the product was sold as a crystalline powder, but occasionally, they’d want to make a few bottles of liquid. It was actually cheaper for us to just go to the liquor store and buy a few bottles of everclear than to get the permits needed to handle undenatured etoh. And the places that do, somebody has to leave his scrotum for a deposit.


  43. coldwarrior
    43 | January 23, 2010 1:17 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ AZfederalist:
    I once worked at a plant that made artificial vanilla. Most of the product was sold as a crystalline powder, but occasionally, they’d want to make a few bottles of liquid. It was actually cheaper for us to just go to the liquor store and buy a few bottles of everclear than to get the permits needed to handle undenatured etoh. And the places that do, somebody has to leave his scrotum for a deposit.

    now that is ridiculous right there.


  44. 44 | January 23, 2010 1:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    OT– Rodan & Admins, I received two unusual emails from Patterico today and I forwarded them to you. I’ve never spoken with Patterico, so I don’t know why he/she sent the messages. Check the Blogmocracy in box.

    The question is: “WHO IS ELLIE LIGHT?”

    http://www.memeorandum.com/100122/p88#a100122p88


  45. waldensianspirit
    45 | January 23, 2010 1:22 pm

    Methanol’ll do a number on you right quick. 10 ml blind; 30 ml dead.


  46. NoThreat2U
    46 | January 23, 2010 1:24 pm

    @ Bunk X:
    Ellie Light = E. Lite (Elite). That is my opinion.


  47. NoThreat2U
    47 | January 23, 2010 1:24 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Well they need to understand that in OUR cultural, we women don’t just sit back and take it. We can be as tough as our men :)


  48. coldwarrior
    48 | January 23, 2010 1:25 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ Bunk X:
    Ellie Light = E. Lite (Elite). That is my opinion.

    ahhhh….right on.

    good eye!


  49. NoThreat2U
    49 | January 23, 2010 1:26 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Dude that popped right out at me when I first read about it.


  50. coldwarrior
    50 | January 23, 2010 1:27 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ Bunk X:
    Ellie Light = E. Lite (Elite). That is my opinion.

    maybe we can start our own and call her ‘peg gressive’


  51. 51 | January 23, 2010 1:27 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    NoThreat2U wrote:
    @ Bunk X:
    Ellie Light = E. Lite (Elite). That is my opinion.

    ahhhh….right on.
    good eye!

    Patterico’s got more here.
    http://patterico.com/


  52. coldwarrior
    52 | January 23, 2010 1:27 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Dude that popped right out at me when I first read about it.

    when i saw it i was trying to remember the ben franklin pen name


  53. NoThreat2U
    53 | January 23, 2010 1:29 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Ha! Good one!! Maybe I can use that one the Timesonline forums. lol


  54. NoThreat2U
    54 | January 23, 2010 1:30 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    OMG…go here. He had a slew of them!

    http://www.pbs.org/benfranklin/l3_wit_name.html


  55. coldwarrior
    55 | January 23, 2010 1:31 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Ha! Good one!! Maybe I can use that one the Timesonline forums. lol

    you go into that unwashed pit of leftie commie dems…

    ‘keep votin dem, them mills are gonna open up again!’


  56. NoThreat2U
    56 | January 23, 2010 1:33 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I love the letters to the editor. These people round these here parts aint to swift sometimes. lol lol I usually go to see what they are bitching about at the moment. One of the people who comment there i know personally. It is refreshing to see some sanity around this county. I only check it online…I refuse to buy that liberal rag.


  57. coldwarrior
    57 | January 23, 2010 1:35 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I love the letters to the editor. These people round these here parts aint to swift sometimes. lol lol I usually go to see what they are bitching about at the moment. One of the people who comment there i know personally. It is refreshing to see some sanity around this county. I only check it online…I refuse to buy that liberal rag.

    i’ll go and buy a newspaper before i would use a free copy of the bct for drop-cloth!


  58. NoThreat2U
    58 | January 23, 2010 1:37 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I agree. Reading through it makes me feel like I live in Berkley sometimes. Clueless idiots.


  59. chickadee
    59 | January 23, 2010 1:38 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    OT:

    Let the games begin. Hussein reassembling his election team to advise congressional races.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/us/politics/24union.html

    I don’t think he’s going to be able to pull it off. He has shown too much of himself. We’ll see through any effort he makes to hide who he is. No one will trust a new Zero who has miraculously shed his big commie plans and become a centrist or populist. He is too much of an ideologue to do that.
    And Sasquatch can NEVER successfully pretend she is proud of this country.
    They are who they are. They hate Amerikkka.


  60. NoThreat2U
    60 | January 23, 2010 1:40 pm

    @ chickadee:
    WTF? Can someone point me to the job description of the POTUS? Because it sure seems like he keeps sticking his nose in where it doesn’t belong.


  61. Beltfed
    61 | January 23, 2010 1:42 pm

    coldwarrior @ 40:

    That’s like the Egyptian guy who used to frequented the same lunch counter I did, most of the customers knew he was a Coptic Christian but right after 9-11 he made sure everyone knew he wasn’t a Muslim by wearing a necklace with cross outside his shirt.

    We used to bust his chops on that one. Good guy he hated mooslins.


  62. chickadee
    62 | January 23, 2010 1:42 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Gah, my once favorite place to gas up was taken over by muzz males of unknown origin. They are of the hostile to females leering types and I never go there anymore.

    Look how many muzz have taken over motels everywhere. Even small mom and pop places.
    What’s up with that? BTW, the quality has gone down everywhere the muzz insinuate themselves.


  63. 63 | January 23, 2010 1:43 pm

    Re: The Topic. What a mess. I guess it’s too much to ask that the Government stop trying to interfere with people’s consumption of a legal, albeit harmful and disgusting, substance and maybe concentrate on just um… I don’t know, securing the borders and keeping the terrorists out?


  64. RIX
    64 | January 23, 2010 1:44 pm

    I do believe that the Templars will have to be eliminated to
    protect the conspiracy.
    When is the next Friday the 13th?


  65. coldwarrior
    65 | January 23, 2010 1:44 pm

    Beltfed wrote:

    coldwarrior @ 40:
    That’s like the Egyptian guy who used to frequented the same lunch counter I did, most of the customers knew he was a Coptic Christian but right after 9-11 he made sure everyone knew he wasn’t a Muslim by wearing a necklace with cross outside his shirt.
    We used to bust his chops on that one. Good guy he hated mooslins.

    he hated them because of the massive abuses they go through in egypt by the stinking muslims. its disgusting.


  66. NoThreat2U
    66 | January 23, 2010 1:44 pm

    @ chickadee:
    I have a theory about this. I think these folks are brought over here and given a business to run for about two years. Then they get their citizenship. I notice the owners are only around for a small period of time before another foreign group takes over. What do you think?


  67. CloudyDay
    67 | January 23, 2010 1:52 pm

    Big Tobacco, Islamic terrorists (yes, I said that; sue me), Hezbollah, CAIR, the ATF, Koreans, Italians, Bloomberg, and Exxon, Glenn Beck, and the Vatican have gotta be in there somewhere.

    What about Israel, the Discovery Institute, and Christian Creationists?


  68. NoThreat2U
    68 | January 23, 2010 1:54 pm

    @ CloudyDay:
    Well D’uh! It all started with Israel. If they would just give up a little more land…….

    ///This shouldn’t be necessary


  69. CloudyDay
    69 | January 23, 2010 1:54 pm

    OT/ Riqa Bary update:

    “Rifqa Bary to Remain in Foster Care Until Age 18″

    Rifqa Bary is a dependent of the State of Ohio

    Parents Give Up Fight to Regain Daughter Who Fled to Be Christian

    In a court in Columbus, Ohio, they [the biological parents] agreed this week to let Rifqa, 17, live in an Ohio foster home until she reaches age 18, in August. After that, she’ll be an adult and will be free to do whatever she wants.


  70. chickadee
    70 | January 23, 2010 2:00 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    I have a theory about this. I think these folks are brought over here and given a business to run for about two years. Then they get their citizenship. I notice the owners are only around for a small period of time before another foreign group takes over. What do you think?

    Could very well be. I do know they don’t take much pride in running the motels. I would like to stop all muzz immigration. asap.


  71. NoThreat2U
    71 | January 23, 2010 2:05 pm

    @ chickadee:
    I dont really frequent motels enough to have an opinion on that. I am just thinking of the convenience stores. Although, I have heard that you would be hard pressed to find a hotel or motel in Nashville that isn’t run by a foreigner.


  72. chickadee
    72 | January 23, 2010 2:07 pm

    CloudyDay wrote:

    OT/ Riqa Bary update:

    “Rifqa Bary to Remain in Foster Care Until Age 18″

    Rifqa Bary is a dependent of the State of Ohio

    Parents Give Up Fight to Regain Daughter Who Fled to Be Christian
    In a court in Columbus, Ohio, they [the biological parents] agreed this week to let Rifqa, 17, live in an Ohio foster home until she reaches age 18, in August. After that, she’ll be an adult and will be free to do whatever she wants.

    That girl needs to get herself a gun and be prepared to use it. Certainly based on what we have witnessed here and around the world. There are people who want to harm her. Honor Killing is real.


  73. coldwarrior
    73 | January 23, 2010 2:08 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    i’m all for legal immigration of all peoples, except muslims.


  74. coldwarrior
    74 | January 23, 2010 2:10 pm

    @ chickadee:

    i hope she goes to college, meets a nice burly and strong christian veteran, and they live happily ever after.

    that would drive her scum parents crazy!


  75. NoThreat2U
    75 | January 23, 2010 2:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    They cannot be trusted. Just like the discussion with Wrath the other night. You cannot seperate a muslim from islam. They are one in the same. Their ideas of governance run contrary to those of this country. They are incompatible with democracy. End the immigration now unless they renounce islam. Hell, I wouldn’t even mind if they were atheist!


  76. coldwarrior
    76 | January 23, 2010 2:13 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They cannot be trusted. Just like the discussion with Wrath the other night. You cannot seperate a muslim from islam. They are one in the same. Their ideas of governance run contrary to those of this country. They are incompatible with democracy. End the immigration now unless they renounce islam. Hell, I wouldn’t even mind if they were atheist!

    their book allows them to denounce islam if needed in order to pursue jihad against the infidel…


  77. NoThreat2U
    77 | January 23, 2010 2:15 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Hence my first line: They cannot be trusted. lol


  78. vagabond trader
    78 | January 23, 2010 2:16 pm

    Right now I wish we could deport treasonous commies of the elected persuasion. :-)


  79. NoThreat2U
    79 | January 23, 2010 2:18 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Ha!


  80. vagabond trader
    80 | January 23, 2010 2:19 pm

    WT hey??? This is so pre 9/11 it defies comprehension. Is this occurring because of long term degradation of our security or a direct result of the anointing of BHO?

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/22/terror.plot.passenger/index.html?hpt=T2


  81. RIX
    81 | January 23, 2010 2:26 pm

    @ chickadee:
    That girl needs to get herself a gun and be prepared to use it. Certainly based on what we have witnessed here and around the world. There are people who want to harm her. Honor Killing is real.

    I think that when she is 18 & emancipated she should get back to I believe Florida, with the Christian Church that was helping her.
    One of her mentors there is a Muslim apostate, so he knows the dangers.


  82. Mad Mullah
    82 | January 23, 2010 2:36 pm

    0bama raised the taxes on tobacco by more than 2000.00%, and regular cigs by a significant amount, of course smuggling is going to go way up.

    I’m also glad that NYC is losing out on revenue, because it was a stupid thing to do. Smokers are easy targets nowadays.


  83. 83 | January 23, 2010 2:40 pm

    @ Mad Mullah:

    Yup, It’s ridiculous. Off course there’s a black market.


  84. RIX
    84 | January 23, 2010 2:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mad Mullah:
    Yup, It’s ridiculous. Off course there’s a black market.

    I haven’t smoked in years, but all of this talk about cigarettes is making me want to run out & get a pack of Marlboros.


  85. RIX
    85 | January 23, 2010 2:47 pm

    The Husky Bloogger is now hosting a pity party for himself over the Jonathon Dees NY Times article.


  86. snowcrash
    86 | January 23, 2010 2:49 pm

    Did anyone read the cleveland.com article about Ellie Light? At the end ellie responds to questions about her multiple residences with this:
    Ms. Eaton,

    I just saw that you included your phone number as well, and for such enthusiasm, I should probably provide you with a further explanation, instead of being quite so coy. In my other letter to you, I said I was disheartened by the lack of support for the President. But perhaps more importantly, the lack of thorough, well-reasoned arguments that can be found on both sides of this issue. As I’m sure you’ve observed, Obama became quickly as polarizing has Hilary ever was, and few people can see past their emotions on the issue. Most public discourse includes terms like “Wingnut,” “Drink the Kool-aid,” “Socialist” and other far less polite terms. I get called “trash” and “Crypto-Stalinist,” not only by the Sarah Palin fans, but by The Left, who is furious at The Prez for not opening up the health care debates to CSPAN cameras.

    So the reason why I expanded my submission was because I found that editors were eager to present a point of view on the topic that wasn’t so overheated and angry. Indeed, I think the viewpoint that my letter expressed was less important to the editors than the even and non-emotional tone.

    ellie

    Wow, it is just like an iceweasel response to a question.


  87. chickadee
    87 | January 23, 2010 2:52 pm

    RIX wrote:

    The Husky Bloogger is now hosting a pity party for himself over the Jonathon Dees NY Times article.

    awe. . . the NYT is a down right mean newspaper.
    He was an idiot to think they would not take a swipe at him.
    They know what he has abt. them in the past. He is so naive.


  88. Mad Mullah
    88 | January 23, 2010 2:56 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    They know what he has abt. them in the past. He is so naive.

    LGF parted ways with the right, and apparently the left doesn’t want them either.

    :)


  89. vagabond trader
    89 | January 23, 2010 2:57 pm

    @ chickadee:

    The NYT could have been exceptionally mean and quoted some of the banter leading to flounces.Pretty demented stuff. Or confront him with Kirlys book of the banned and Defensemans crazed screeds. Lucky I’m not in charge. :-)


  90. Mad Mullah
    90 | January 23, 2010 3:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mad Mullah:

    Yup, It’s ridiculous. Off course there’s a black market.

    You have to wonder where some of these idiot politicians get their ideas from, the Joe Stalin school of economics?


  91. vagabond trader
    91 | January 23, 2010 3:06 pm

    Oh no this is priceless, queeg is doing a post mortem of his NYT post mortem

    See, this is the kind of comment he claims to delete, not reasoned debate or disagreement.LOL!

    sloop1/19/2010 6:58:05 pm PST

    * -30
    * down
    * up
    * report

    s u c k m y b a l l s, c h u c k y !!!


  92. snork
    92 | January 23, 2010 3:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    The Husky Bloogger is now hosting a pity party for himself over the Jonathon Dees NY Times article.

    So he answers with a strawman. The NYT article said:

    L.G.F. still has more than 34,000 registered users, but the comment threads are dominated by the same two dozen or so names.

    That doesn’t mean they’re commenting exclusively, it simply means they’re responsible for the majority of the comments. So Chuckles searches for the total number of commenters. He either can’t read, or is trying to change the subject.


  93. NoThreat2U
    93 | January 23, 2010 3:08 pm

    Have any of you taken a peek at the swamp? Talk about needing your ego stroked. My goodness.


  94. snork
    94 | January 23, 2010 3:10 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    Wow, it is just like an iceweasel response to a question.

    Draw your own conclusions.


  95. vagabond trader
    95 | January 23, 2010 3:10 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    rotflmao, its actually funnier than the interview,like the lightbulb just flickered on.


  96. Macker
    96 | January 23, 2010 3:11 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Perhaps you might want to slip them a little Latin or something?


  97. snork
    97 | January 23, 2010 3:11 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    And twisting other peoples’ statements.


  98. Macker
    98 | January 23, 2010 3:12 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Oh no this is priceless, queeg is doing a post mortem of his NYT post mortem

    See, this is the kind of comment he claims to delete, not reasoned debate or disagreement.LOL!

    sloop1/19/2010 6:58:05 pm PST

    * -30
    * down
    * up
    * report

    s u c k m y b a l l s, c h u c k y !!!

    sloop1 better be careful! selrahC might take him up on that!


  99. vagabond trader
    99 | January 23, 2010 3:12 pm

    @ Macker:

    Pig latin!


  100. Mad Mullah
    100 | January 23, 2010 3:13 pm

    On the New York Times site, under their “MOST POPULAR LIST” – Right-Wing Flame War! is currently number 5 on the blogged list.


  101. snork
    101 | January 23, 2010 3:14 pm

    Again, this time span (30 days) produces 836 unique users,

    436 of which are TFK’s sox, which leaves 13 per day.


  102. NoThreat2U
    102 | January 23, 2010 3:14 pm

    What a sad group of individuals over there. What a joke. It is actually making me giggle!


  103. snork
    103 | January 23, 2010 3:15 pm

    And that’s not counting Chucky’s sox, of which I suspect there are many.


  104. Macker
    104 | January 23, 2010 3:15 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Macker:

    Pig latin!

    That too! 1 MILLION UPDINGS!


  105. snowcrash
    105 | January 23, 2010 3:16 pm

    @ snork:
    Given all the evidence, I say she is paid propagandist with some PR group. Ellie and ice are both weasels.


  106. NoThreat2U
    106 | January 23, 2010 3:16 pm

    @ snork:
    ROFLMAO*********** +1


  107. snork
    107 | January 23, 2010 3:17 pm

    This gets 10 updings:

    30 Cato the Elder Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:20:08pm

    Now that you’ve done that, Charles, I’d be interested in a script that would show the ratio of total number of comments to total karma per user. You could add it to the info that comes up when you click an avatar.

    Oy.


  108. Mad Mullah
    108 | January 23, 2010 3:18 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    What a sad group of individuals over there. What a joke. It is actually making me giggle!

    At first, I was kind of angered by the whole thing, but now I truly find the whole situation amusing and even hilarious at times.


  109. vagabond trader
    109 | January 23, 2010 3:18 pm

    @ snowcrash:

    my guess is move on or some other Soros creature.


  110. vagabond trader
    110 | January 23, 2010 3:19 pm

    @ snork:

    Veysmir


  111. snork
    111 | January 23, 2010 3:19 pm

    Now they’re saying Dee is Cognito. Proof positive that most of them are TFK sox.


  112. snork
    112 | January 23, 2010 3:20 pm

    Ope!

    62 Cato the Elder Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:32:16pm replyquote

    By the way, Charles – I didn’t notice it the first time I skimmed the article. You have a fiancée!

    Congratulations.

    As Sharmuta growls from her litter box…


  113. vagabond trader
    113 | January 23, 2010 3:21 pm

    @ snork:

    LOL!


  114. snork
    114 | January 23, 2010 3:24 pm

    Now they’re doing fireman pr0n.


  115. snowcrash
    115 | January 23, 2010 3:24 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    The article came out yesterday. How many times did CJ have to re-read it to figure out just how insulting it was? LOL. I look forward to reading his continual rehash of the article and re stating his point of view over and over and over. Dude is predictible in his responses!


  116. snork
    116 | January 23, 2010 3:25 pm

    If one of us had said this, it would be “homophobic”:

    122 SpaceJesus Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:55:43pm

    i wonder if this is his way of flirting with you


  117. 117 | January 23, 2010 3:27 pm

    snork wrote:

    Ope!
    62 Cato the Elder Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:32:16pm replyquote
    By the way, Charles – I didn’t notice it the first time I skimmed the article. You have a fiancée!
    Congratulations.

    As Sharmuta growls from her litter box…

    What’s his name?


  118. snork
    118 | January 23, 2010 3:28 pm

    O. M. G. Ponies, 11ty!!!!!!!!!1111

    171 Charles Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:13:40pm

    re: #161 ethics

    Althouse chimed in: [Link: althouse.blogspot.com...]

    A very ignorant post from someone who knows nothing about it. I make no apologies for wanting to distance myself from European fascist groups — and there is no doubt that they wanted to get me on their side at one point.

    Althouse is clueless, yet her mouth still runs.

    That F’ing ignoramus with an IQ small enough to fit on his dick has the chutzpah to call Althouse clueless? I’m starting to be persuaded that the dood has a real woman problem.


  119. Poteen
    119 | January 23, 2010 3:31 pm

    @ davehm:
    As Sharmuta growls from her litter box

    Snort! Now that there’s funny!


  120. Empire1
    120 | January 23, 2010 3:31 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Have any of you taken a peek at the swamp? Talk about needing your ego stroked. My goodness.

    Goodood grief, no! In fact, one of the first things I did after bootingup this ancient machine (last used in ’96) was delete the Favorites entry for LGF. Then I added Blogmocracy. :)


  121. snowcrash
    121 | January 23, 2010 3:33 pm

    @ snork:
    Yep, and Patrick Frey, DA in LA (Patterico) is clueless too. Only CJ really gets it. lol


  122. NoThreat2U
    122 | January 23, 2010 3:34 pm

    I can tell ya that if I were Pam Geller, there would be some legal shit happening. Cato and his Pam “Smearnoff” Geller remark? Where the hell was Sharmuta the feminist when he said that? I. Would. Be. Pissed. Comments like that should make that blog a pariah amongst the blogosphere.

    @ Mad Mullah:
    It is hilarious!!


  123. snork
    123 | January 23, 2010 3:36 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Pam’s taking the high road. Why, I have no idea.


  124. snowcrash
    124 | January 23, 2010 3:38 pm

    Althouse is excellent!


  125. NoThreat2U
    125 | January 23, 2010 3:42 pm

    @ snork:
    Part of me understands that. The mean spirited bitch part of me doesn’t though. lol


  126. 126 | January 23, 2010 3:49 pm

    Naked conspiracies? Llyndon LaRouche was right!


  127. snowcrash
    127 | January 23, 2010 4:13 pm

    The entire Ellie Light letter writing campaign is fascinating. She gets her letter published in almost 50 different newspapers and no one checks if her address is legit? Her pro Obama letters must have really struck the editors as opinions too true and insightful to be fake. I want to laugh, but really, could the media be more in the bag for this prez?


  128. coldwarrior
    128 | January 23, 2010 4:27 pm

    @ snowcrash:

    i have spent a good 45 minutes reading about this…its fascinating and very telling.


  129. Poteen
    129 | January 23, 2010 4:32 pm

    @ snowcrash:
    Wow, it is just like an iceweasel response to a question.

    Hmmmm. Interesting observation.


  130. snowcrash
    130 | January 23, 2010 4:32 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Cold, did you read all the comments in the cleveland.com article? Ellie responds.Patterico has excellents comments too. I swear, the righty blogosphere is full of “operatives” doing the same thing. They all sound alike and use similar strategies. I remember a sharp rise in “trolls” before the prez election, but I think I was using the wrong word. A “minder” or astroturfer is more likely. wow.


  131. snowcrash
    131 | January 23, 2010 4:36 pm

    @ Poteen:
    Yep, Ellie never did answer the question about why so many different addy’s. Just blustered on and on, using straw men, deception and changing the subject. Very familiar tactic of iceweasel.


  132. coldwarrior
    132 | January 23, 2010 4:43 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Cold, did you read all the comments in the cleveland.com article? Ellie responds.Patterico has excellents comments too. I swear, the righty blogosphere is full of “operatives” doing the same thing. They all sound alike and use similar strategies. I remember a sharp rise in “trolls” before the prez election, but I think I was using the wrong word. A “minder” or astroturfer is more likely. wow.

    i’ll go with the orchestrated operative


  133. snork
    133 | January 23, 2010 5:05 pm

    The Sunstein connection to “Ellie Light” is disturbing. That creep, unlike most of Obama’s associates, is smart enough to be dangerous.


  134. snowcrash
    134 | January 23, 2010 5:11 pm

    Has everyone already seen and laughed about the newest video, Lizard Lounge: The New York Times Meltdown? It is at Atlas Shrugs, and is hilarious.


  135. vagabond trader
    135 | January 23, 2010 6:04 pm

    @ snowcrash:

    lol,another classic.


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