The Progressive Propaganda Media is celebrating. They are declaring this the greatest economic comeback ever. The US GDP grew at 5.7% in the 4th Quarter. Now I ask myself, where is this growth? I see people out of work, wages frozen and businesses struggling. However, the government claims the economy is growing. Can someone explain to me how this is possible?
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The economy grew at a faster-than-expected 5.7 percent pace in the fourth quarter, the quickest in more than six years, as businesses made less-aggressive cuts to inventories and stepped up spending.
The Commerce Department said on Friday its first estimate put fourth-quarter gross domestic product growth at its fastest pace since the third quarter of 2003. The economy expanded at a 2.2 percent annual rate in the third quarter.
Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast GDP, which measures total goods and services output within U.S. borders, growing at a 4.6 percent rate in October-December period.
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I really don’t get this. I don’t see any growth when I go out. In fact I see empty stores and people watching what they buy. The answer for this high number could be this statement.
Business inventories fell only $33.5 billion in fourth quarter after dropping $139.2 billion in the July-September period. The change in inventories alone added 3.39 percentage points to GDP in the last quarter. This was the biggest percentage contribution since the fourth quarter of 1987.
So it’s not real growth then producing this number, it was a slowdown in the reduction of inventories that caused this number to be high. In other words, this is not a sustainable number and the revision will reduce it. It doesn’t matter to the Media, they will trumpet this as a great economic boom and credit Obama. As much as they want to celebrate, fact is wages rose very slightly for the average worker.
Workers’ compensation has been battered by the country’s deep recession as a loss of 7.2 million jobs over the past two years has depressed wage gains. A separate report from the Labor Department earlier this month showed that nonsupervisory workers’ inflation-adjusted weekly earnings fell by 1.6 percent last year, the sharpest drop since 1990.
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This continues a decade long trend of stagnating wages. This is due to America’s outdated economic structure that can’t compete in the global economy. Until we change our tax laws to incentivize business to invest here, wages will continue to decline. America needs to get its house in order. If not, we will become a has been power.
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Anyone who thinks the recession is over – just go and try to find a job.
@ Speranza:
The Media is celebrating. I saw one today call it the Obama Boom!
Rodan wrote:
The brown nosing never ceases does it?
@ Rodan:
Ah, but when it goes down it’s a ‘Bush Bust.’
No, there is growth, just as the government suggests.
Issue is, it isn’t private sector growth by an increasing economy…. it is artificial growth by infusion of government funds.
However, the part that worries me is that unemployment is about 16% or so, if we include people who are no longer able to get unemployment. Obama announced that he wants a ‘tax break’ for any businesses that create jobs, of about 3 grand or so.
That way, when all of his OTHER policies cause businesses to not hire people, he can say that he tried, but that those evil capitalist businesses wouldn’t help out the common man….. then announce that the federal government is accepting applications in its new private sector fields.
Heck, he already announced that if you go to college, you only have to pay your loans for 10 years if you work for the government.
And, of course, that money will just magically appear and have no consequences with its spending…
The word that’s missing here is JOBS. Where are the JOBS?
@ calcajun:
Obama says they are on the way!
@ Rodan:
To where? They’re not here.
The unemployment figures for the area I live in are around 16%, and this is just people who are still registered with unemployment and looking for a job. This has been the case for the last 8 months or so.
Nice to see Obama is going to let Future Federal Bureaucrats default on their student loans after 10 years. Of course, if they’re Democrats they don’t have to pay their taxes, either. And people working in the private sector are supposed to support these parasites?
@ Gypsy:
The student loan forgiveness will be an EPIC FAIL. Universities will simply raise their tuition because the federal bucks are guaranteed.
It happens with everything that guaranteed federal money is applied to.
calcajun wrote:
They’re in the new
StimulusJOBS bill.my wife’s job is pretty recession proof, but after 25 years they did take away thier payed half hour lunch
@ Bumr50:
Universities have already jacked up their prices to insane amounts due to the assumption that students will get loans, so it doesn’t matter if they have to pay for 10-20 years to get that college education that is full of waste classes like basketweaving and needless generals.
There was a time that a brand new car only cost 1-3 grand. But it was expected that you paid cash…. nowdays it is expected that you get a loan or lease.
The impatience involved in getting a loan rather than saving and paying in full has led to many products’ increase in prices. Part of that “Can I afford that?” vs “Can I afford the payments?”
Bumr50 wrote:
You are so right. People blame providers and insurance companies for the horrendous increase in healthcare costs over the last 40 years; it is almost funny to see how everyone carefully avoids naming the real culprits, Medicare and Medicaid.
Bumr50 wrote:
Worse than that, it will encourage kids to study LGBT basket weaving instead of biomedical engineering, because if you follow your FAIL of a degree with a FAIL of a career, you don’t have to pay it back.
Don’t worry, Obama will save us.
Bumr50 wrote:
Universities are overrated and overpriced as it is. What we need to do is star sending people back to trade schools. We’ve lost our skillied labor – our artisans.
As far as the economy goes, this is a technical number, and not only is it not sustainable, what’s going to happen is that they’re going to crank the cognitive dissonance up, and go into the elections screaming at the tops of their lungs that things are superfantastic, and the public isn’t going to buy it. It’s going to boomerang in their faces.
Obama to End NASA Constellation Program
FOXNews.com
On the eve of the fullest moon of the year, NASA scientists were told they won’t be able to visit any longer. In his new budget, President Obama plans to eliminate the space program’s manned moon missions.
Bye BY
LanceKates wrote:
Yes! We need to get back to the cash only system and back to people saving for thing rather than the instant gratification society we’ve become!
For me the recession will not be over until I am doing the same thing and making the same money I made 2 years ago.
Now the government has a “beautification” project on Sunset Blvd in West Hollyweird (it’s a “stimulus” project). Of course I am working in West Hollyweird and the traffic absolutely is atrocious with Sunset Blvd. Having a lane closed down. It took 1 hour to go 1 mile, so not only is my truck (proudly not a Hybrid) kicking out a much bigger carbon footprint and wasting fuel, I am losing money. There are more of these local “stimulus” projects planned and all on the busiest of roads.
What a hell of a way to “stimulate” the local economy. Freaking idiots. If they really wanted to beautify West Hollyweird, they just needed to repaint the hookers.
For the first time in my memory the USA will no longer be the leader in space. Kinda sad but predictable
vapig wrote:
We need to start hiring people who go to trade schools. When I lost a previous job in a round of layoffs (back in early 2008) I saw jobs for part time computer tech support….. requiring a BA and/or MCSE.
I see jobs for secretaries requiring a degree in office management or business.
There was a time that having a college degree really did mean that you knew more and were better for employment than without…… but I don’t see that as the case anymore for many of the fields still requiring it.
vapig wrote:
people don’t want to work hard any more. I’m a Plumber/Pipefitter
and trade school was 5 years. the pay is great but your body will take a beating.lol
the 5.x% growth is a single quarter phenomenon.
businesses restocked the inventory that they drew down over the past 18 months. businesses pay taxes on inventory, so whatever is on hand is another liability. there was no real increase in actual consumer spending, therefore no confidence. and add govt spending to the mix and you get a false percent growth
the people are rightly focused on jobs and the debt.
LanceKates wrote:
Has anyone noticed that a college professor’s salary is often way up in the low to medium six figure range? Back when I went to college, the salaries were in line with middle management to upper middle management in the private sector nationwide; now they are in line with upper management in New York. We all can see who the beneficiaries of the student loan and other inflationary programs are, and it ain’t the students.
LanceKates wrote:
Effectively punishing people who choose to go into the private sector. You know, that sector that funds the entire economy, including the government.
What you punish, you get less of. What you reward, you get more of.
@ vapig:
For all the people that spit on his system, Dave Ramsey really is right.
On the radio I heardan ad for a seminar to attend. “Find out why owning a home is not an asset! Find out why saving money can’t make you rich! Come learn about Rich Debt!”
Here’s how you can ‘get rich quick’ . . .. step 1, create a program that sounds good but does not do anything substantial. step 2, sell it in seminars to dumbasses that will pay money for your entirely theoretical program that glosses over gaping holes of error. step 3, do not offer a refund.
@ bar:
you’re not looking at it right. The recession isn’t over until you are making the same money, including a raise for inflation.
I work for a company that hasn’t given raises in 3 years and isn’t likely to this year either…. that means that each year we are expected to do the same job for about 3% less buying power each year.
@ LanceKates:
Four kids-the best thing we are doing for them is getting them through college without being in debt when they graduate. They won’t get Ivy League diplomas, but those things don’t have the cache that they used to.
@ LanceKates:
yep, if the system in the seminar workes so well, why does the dude have to go out and pimp it?
if its that good he should be able to stay home, use his system, and rake in the $$$
@ Silhouette:
exactly, but when there are that many public employees to where the private sector is hurting to get people, the feds can just expand their powers to ‘take up the slack’ . . .
Private sector seeks to grow, achieve and profit. Public Sector seeks to take, spend and provide red tape.
calcajun wrote:
A growing business is handing out degrees to people. The degrees are valid, but are given by a ‘school’ that is not accredited. Turns out, many employers don’t check.
I’m trying to go back to school, can’t afford it.
Very few things are 100% bad or 100% good. One silver-lining part of the recession is that some inefficient businesses have learned they can get the same work done with fewer employees. And this was reflected in overall American worker productivity increases.
Without question, some of this increased productivity is (using the left’s favorite new word) not sustainable. Johnny can cover for the recently fired Tommy’s workload for awhile, but he can’t kill himself 40 hours a week longterm.
In the end, if the government will just get the heck out of the way, the free market will balance this and maximize output.
The government get out of the way? Sometimes I just kill myself.
@ vapig:
With very few exceptions a college degree doesn’t teach you how to do anything marketable. It isn’t quite all a waste of time, but it is getting close to it. The degree will still open up jobs that would otherwise be unavailable. Whether or not that is enough value for all the time and money put into earning the degree is another question.
@ Silhouette:
This is being called the worst recession since the great depression.
Our worst recession ever was in the early 20′s, not the late 20′s.
That recession, though, was over in a year or so. The government did the right thing: Nothing.
in the recession in the late 20′s, the government tried to solve the problem with lots of government programs…… it became the Great Depression.
That, in and of itself, should be good reason for the government to just butt out.
This certainly isn’t the boom that some would call it. However, it *is* positive news, incremental though it may be.
Unemployment remains staggeringly high and the selling off of inventory only means that manufacturers have cut back on production and wholesalers have reduced their purchasing. Not really good news at all.
Student loan forgiveness isn’t a bad idea. Considering the predatory loan practices (my second year law niece is inundated with pre-approved gold and platinum cards, ironically she will be working in the public sector and not too many ADA’s are carrying around AMEX cards with 50k caps, but a student can) used to lure foolish adolescents into a lifetime of debt it isn’t going to be long before the student loan market looks like the sub-prime mortgage market.
Forgiveness and the ten percent cap will funnel money directly into the economy bypassing the banks — banks who will eventually receive trillions of dollars in federal money. This is an opportunity to help people directly: the savings will be put back into the economy and some people, rather than defaulting on loans will continue making payments allowing them to preserve their credit and eventually purchase the homes and cars that have long been held out as the reward for completing college.
Iron Fist wrote:
Degrees for doctors, sure.
Degrees for secretaries, stupid.
Degrees for lawyers, sure.
Degrees for salesmen, stupid.
@ fultonchain:
What right was granted to the Federal Government, by the Constitution, to pay your college debt?
@ fultonchain:
wwhen I worked at the university the credit card folk would set up shop out side the book store. sign up for a card and get a free water bottle.lol
@ LanceKates:
DIdn’t the Depression start in ’28 or ’29, then became the “Great Depression” during the decade of the ’30′s??? Roosevelt actually EXYENDED the depression with his restictive business and banking policies.
Mirage? It’s a bunked up hologram!
EXYENDED = EXTENDED
PIMF!!
mawskrat wrote:
yup, it is also not the job of the federal government to protect a student from their own stupidity.
If you’ve made it to college age and you don’t know that credit card debt is bad, your parents and basic high school finance classes have failed you.
i just remebered something.
when W took office, there was the tech bubble recession that started under clinton but was blamed, in the media, on W.
how is it then that W gets the blame for this recession…it started under him, but 0 is in charge now just like W was in 2000
SciFiGuy wrote:
What is so striking is that the stock drop in the early 20′s was worse, but it was fixed within a year or two. By the private sector, with no interference by the federal government.
within 2 decades, you have the results of both a recession fixed by the private sector (in a year or two) and one ‘fixed’ by the public sector (which lasted well over a decade)
@ bar:
Don’t worry. Obama will build you a high speed rail line for your commute. It’ll only be a few hundred billion.
coldwarrior wrote:
The tech bubble also didn’t become a multi-industry destruction of our economy because President Bush, unlike President Obama, let the private sector fix the problem.
GrandJunctionite wrote:
and it’ll go 10 miles, cost 30 bucks per ride, and still not pull a profit.
If you are out of work, the unemployment rates is 100%. I hate the way O-bots play games with words.
Nevergiveup wrote:
You kidding? Standard McMansions are up to over 5000 square feet. If that ain’t “leading in space,” I don’t know what is.
@ Nevergiveup:
Yup let’s let China and India dominate psce.
Histoy repeating itself. In the early 1400′s China had a massive Exploration Fleet. They sailed all over Asia, the Pacific and Africa. Then the new Emperor scrapped the fleet. Odds are if the program continued, China would of sailed to Europe and even the Americas. By withdrawing, this opened it up for Portugal and Spain.
Now America buy cancelling its Space Program, is opening the door for China. Irony of history!
coldwarrior wrote:
Yes Bush came in right after the dot com bust and lets not forget the stock market tanking for 3 years because of 9/11. He never whined or pointed fingers.
Denniger Abides:
http://market-ticker.org/archives/1915-GDP-Theres-Your-Inventory-Bounce.html
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Thats Inner space Buzz not Outer space
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There’s a purpose behind sending everybody to college, whether they’re college material or not: the ones who aren’t that sharp will gravitate to the grievance studies programs, where standards aren’t very high. Then they’ll spend 10 years racking up loans that they have no intention of repaying while learning how to be righteously indignant about how all these business and engineering and other professional studies students are getting hired, and they aren’t.
That’s the objective. To build up a professional pissed-off class of people who were never cut out to go to college in the first place, and might have been lot happier (not to mention wealthier) as tradesmen.
@ coldwarrior:
Because it’s Bush fault, didn’t you get the memo!
/
Progressives!
GrandJunctionite wrote:
MagLev? Nay.
—with apologies to Rod Stewart and “Maggie May”
Wake up, MagLev, I think I’ve got something to say to you
I can’t spend as much as your proponents want me to
I know you promise me speed
But there’s really not a market need
Oh, MagLev, I don’t think I’ll try any more
I know that Congress passed a bill so it could dip into the public till
You stole my taxes and that’s what really hurts
I could have high speed just by upgrading the old track gauge
But to build you up to functioning I’d have to change everything
At first I really couldn’t wait, to ride a train that levitates
But MagLev, I don’t think I’ll try any more
If I ever have the urge to roam, if I want to go away from home
You’re a luxury I’m afraid I can do without
All I needed was a train that ran reliably
But now my mind boggles ’cause your
Cost boondoggles just wore me out
You just drained my treasury
Rode me on a rail to penury
Oh MagLev, I don’t think I’ll try anymore
If I ever have the urge to roam, if I want to go away from home
You’re a luxury I’m gonna have to do without
If I balance my books maybe I could build a regular train
Though it means I’d have to start all over from scratch again
Or let private industry see what it can develop for me
Oh MagLev, I wish I’d never seen your specs
You made a first-class fool out of me
But I’m as blind as a fool can be
You stole my taxes but I love you anyway
MagLev, I wish I’d never seen your specs
I’ll get a working train one of these days
LanceKates wrote:
i know that, but W got blamed for the recession when it started under clinton.
now W gets blamed again for a recession that in fact started under him but now 0 is in charge,
using 2000 logic and rules, this is 0′s recession, no?
@ snork:
Yup, they want everyone in College because they can brainwash people. Instead we should have Trade schools, for non College people so they can make money.
@ coldwarrior:
Everything is Bush’s fault!
Even the Haitian Earthquake.
Rodan wrote:
I’m sure that the Safe Schools Czar could be persuaded to fund rough trade schools.
@ LanceKates:
The problem is, people have to go to college to learn stuff they used to learn in high school. If you graduated from high school before the mid -1970′s you had sufficient skills to make it in most businesses, skills that included math, accounting, English. You could take typing and use of office machinery instead of Home Ec or Shop. Now, many students can barely write a grammatical sentence, or do a cost estimate in their heads. Many cannot spell “cat” correctly without Spellcheck. When I left my last employer, there were college grads working there who had trouble writing a coherent sentence. Nothing like getting a 600 word email and being reduced to saying “what the hell is this supposed to mean?”
@ Gypsy:
You said it.
Rodan wrote:
right…that memo got burried on my blackberry!
@ snork:
I worked with someone who was a socialist lesbian. They wanted to be a “Professional Activist” (I.e, they wanted to make a living at whining) and were persuing some sort of poli-sci degree.
Their big beef was that the government needs to force insurance companies to cover ‘same sex domestic partners’ under health insurance plans (I guess it didn’t mater that hetero domestic partners are largely not covered), and they become a combination of bumbling and silent when one day I shut them up by asking why they didn’t just devote the time and energy into an insurance company that ONLY sold insurance to same sex couples.
@ coldwarrior:
The logic isn’t based on when the recession started, but on the letter after the name.
R vs D.
Loan “forgiveness” means, if the borrower isn’t paying the debt, someone else is. Forcing someone to pay for another’s debt is forcing them to labor unrewarded for the financial benefit of others.
I thought that practice was outlawed by a nice little constitutional amendment after a war we had.
It doesn’t change if it is the lenders (not taxpayers) being forced to eat the cost of the loans. Stealing is stealing. Using the power of the government to force banks to make loans to people who won’t repay them is what got us here in the first place, and they used the same excuse that time too, that the mean ol’ greedy rich banks were cheating us anyway and making soooo much money, that it is justified to take from them.
Rodan wrote:
if I am learning to do accounting, I shouldn’t need to learn the leftists’ History of Europe or a secular “All people are somewhat gay” Psych class.
@ GrandJunctionite:
Except who is going to carry all the tools?
undergrad is there mostly to teach you how to think…by how i mean using reasoning and sound argument and logic.
unfortunately, that aspect is failing as well because we dont focus on the dead white guys anymore.
bar wrote:
Your taxes are carrying a bunch of tools right now. And will soon carry more!
LanceKates wrote:
Good point. You’d think there’d be a market share waiting to be tapped.
@ Gypsy:
That’s because we’ve let the federal and state governments control the education system… so it is based on helping the lowest denominator feel better rather than educating students.
Private school and Home school children really don’t have that issue, as one test after another shows. (Which is one of the two reasons why the government will not allow vouchers. The other being that they don’t want the common man’s kids in private school with their children.)
Statement from James O’Keefe
@ Silhouette:
100% correct.
@ Rodan:
I graduated high school in 1976 in our year book every one wrote what they were going to do. I wrote that I was going to trade school to be a master plumber. I kinda got ribbed about it but for years I got calls from the same people wanting me to do work for them.
///hey man can you give me a deal.lol
@ Rodan:
My grandfather whom I considered a very wise man when he lived used to tell me to learn a trade. He said, as long as you have a trade that you are good at, you will always have work.
I think he was referring to the building trades, plumber, electrician, carpenter etc. But those folks are hurting pretty badly right now.
It turns out all the bullshit about James O’Keefe supposedly tapping “$300 Million” Mary’s phones was, well, bullshit:
I’m glad he didn’t do anything stupid. He ought to be able to sue the papers that falsely reported the issue. I think you can safely say that there was malice in the act.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
That really is the answer to many of these “Social Justice!” issues. Start up a private company that only caters to those folks.
To fend off the fraud/partner hopping issue, add a requirement that you can stop coverage for someone at any time, but you can only add a ‘domestic partner’ once a year.
@ Iron Fist:
I beeeeeatcha (75).
@ m:
GMTA
m wrote:
*music from the good the bad and the ugly plays in the distance, yet again*
LanceKates wrote:
Forgive me for repeating it, but “social justice” is by its nature a lie; any time an adjective/modifier is stuck onto something, it is an indication that there is a thumb being placed on the scale to favor a special interest.
That is true of “social justice,” which is true justice perverted for somebody’s social agenda. And it is monumentally true of “human rights,” which are a fraud intended to substitute spurious “rights” granted by the government to supplant the concept of individual liberty protected by laws limiting the power of government.
@ coldwarrior:
doodleloooooo wah wah waaaaaaaaah
Iron Fist wrote:
What scares me is how he was instantly painted as some sort of evil person trying to bug senators…….
I see a time in which Conservatives will be determined to be breaking the law by opposing Socialism….. and crap like this is how it starts.
LanceKates wrote:
As an addendum to your first sentence, too many parents (especially, it appears, a certain type of “working mom”) seem to see the schools as a public financed baby-sitting service/day camp rather than a place to prepare their children for a productive life. They become quite indignant if any demands, especially intellectual or behavioral demands, are made on their offspring. And I’m not talking about 6 year olds, here, either; I’m talking about 10, 12, 14 year-olds, kids well past the “precious baby” stage.
@ m:
HAHAHAHAHAAAA… you’re friggen awesome.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
That’s why I put it in quotes and put a ! after it.
Every time they whine about “Social Justice!” it is nothing more than a blown-up issue that is more readily resolved by the private sector.
I can tell you from where I sit, the recession is far from over. I run a (very) small business. My best year was 2008 250K gross. I have 1 full time and 2 part time employees. In 2009 my gross dropped to 185K. I was forced to cut the hours of my part timers down, cut my own salary and take on debt to stay alive. Things are still touch and go month to month. I’ve cut every expense I can, but the largest expense a small business has is payroll taxes. My business is based on other people working and other business thriving. My personal recession is far from over until we start creating jobs.
@ Gypsy:
And they don’t limit that attitude to school. The ones that are christians put the same ideas into youth ministry. The youth preacher is just free babysitting service.
LanceKates wrote:
True. I added the bit about “human rights” because it is important—vitally important—for as many people as possible to understand that “human rights” are not an extension or realization of the rights guaranteed by the Constitution, but a concept diametrically opposed to the Constitution and its safeguards.
@ Iron Fist:
Unfortunately, due to his expose of ACORN, O’Keefe now has a target painted on his back, as this “phoney phones” fracas goes to show.
@ m:
m, you’re the first to get this: 1 TRILLION UPDINGS!
@ Macker:
it used to be a million…..
that’s inflation for ya…
@ bar:
Latex or oilbase?
Primed sprayed and backrolled?
I’ll work up a bid.
@ m:
I’m still waiting for an update to the original thread from Chucky. He was right on top of it, making the allegation that they were tapping the phones.
The DJIA is not all that happy about the GDP numbers.
GrandJunctionite wrote:
3wood, whom some of you might remember from Some Other Blog, has periodic explanations of the vicissitudes of the economy and the Administration’s tinkering over at C2.
He has made the point that we are still “creating jobs” at below-replacement level, and have been for some time, which means that until enough people go back to work to wipe out the current job deficit, an uptick in the “job creation” numbers does not mean we are not still losing ground.
LanceKates wrote:
You got that right! Someone a few threads back awarded me a Billion, so what the hell.
@ GrandJunctionite:
I hear you. I have 2 stores of “where you care to send the very best” cards and gifts and have watched the average transaction $ amount tank over the last 18 months – and yes, I too have cut back on employees – health care benefits.
@ Macker:
A trillion?! … ooh my karma thanks you.
/
t?snork wrote:
I’m not sure how much more irrelevant that asshole can get.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
YES! So many people on the other side of the aisle fail to realize that it is GOD who grants us those inalienable rights.
snork wrote:
Let me know how that goes. Try holding your breath, see if that helps.
*evil grin*
LanceKates wrote:
That’s a recipe for more blue states.
@ Macker:
They realize it, they just don’t want us to.
@ m:
HAHAHAHA! (Guffaw. Chortle!)
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
If only the blue voters would hold their breath until the recession is over…. then we could elect conservatives and fix the problem.
LanceKates wrote:
Then they would turn purple and then…DIE…and that, my friend, can still be a problem.
@ Macker:
Disposing of the body is such a pain in the ass…
@ Macker:
nah, we’ll just get the conservatives hitched to other conservatives and produce a plethora of conservative babies to replenish the population.
(I imagine that, right now, 1.0 is considering this line of posting a call for genocide or, at the very least, a perosnal threat)
It’s a mirage.
Iron Fist wrote:
There’s always Soylent Green.
I know I spoke of this before but Obama it seems it totally shit canning the entire space program. We are headed toward 2nd world status under this commie bastard
Iron Fist wrote:
Y’all forgot:
NIGHT!
OF THE VOTING…
DEAD!
@ Nevergiveup:
All part of his plan…
Nevergiveup wrote:
Well, it’s not as if the residents of the Moon or Mars can be easily convinced to vote Democrat.
@ Nevergiveup:
After all, he would love sleeping Under the Light of a Communist Moon.
Iron Fist wrote:
They still haven’t found Jimmy Hoffa.
Hire the experts./
@ buzzsawmonkey:
But what about the Venusians?
Macker wrote:
The Democrats are busy stopping the invasion of this country by the Fetusian people.
Nevergiveup wrote:
He needs the money for his ‘Aid to Families with Dependent Children and No Plasma TV’ program.
@ Poteen:
A lot of good that’ll do in Kah-leeh-for-nia!
We’re going to have to beg and pay the Ruskies to take us into space????
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
You forgot your scare quotes. Fetusians aren’t really people, you know.
@ Poteen:
Do the makers of Plasma TV’s have a union?
Iron Fist wrote:
You are expressing an oppressive, prejudicial, hegemonic disregard for the vibrant Fetusian culture.
The Russians, The Chicoms, The Indians are all going into space and we’re gonna be sitting here with our thumbs up our asses
@ LanceKates:
Sanyo actually make a lot of the Plasma TV in Forrest City, Arkansas.
@ Iron Fist:
pretty soon folks like you and I will also be no longer considered people.
Not to mention also:
Russian Unveils Stealth Fighter Intended to Match U.S. F-22 Raptor
except we cancelled that program also????
Nevergiveup wrote:
Don’t think that it was canceled, as in go away now. I believe they dropped the total number of planes to be built from 330 to 186.
OT:
More Proof That Osama Bin Laden Is A Democrat!
-Bin Laden Lashes Out at US on Climate Change-
@ Nevergiveup:
This is why Президент Оба́ма hates the F-22 with a passion.
@ Nevergiveup:
We have to stop and let the rest of the world catch up with us. It wasn’t fair for big, nasty, evil America to succeed so far in excess of other nations. So Obama and the Democrats are going to take care of that for us. With a little work we, too, can be a Third World nation just like Hati or sub-saharan Africa.
SciFiGuy wrote:
but are they UNION?
That’s the difference between “Working Families” and “Rich Families” after all… working families are unions and need help, rich families are non-union and need to be taxed until they are in a union.
Iron Fist wrote:
You should be ashamed of your H8i speech.
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SciFiGuy wrote:
As in no more money in the budget. As in they will be closing down the line and there will be NO replacement for any lost. As in there is right now a Fighter Gap in Air Force because the F-15s are aging and the “Replacements” now are the F-35 which is way behind schedule. And the F-35 is NOT the fighter the F-22 is. As is we will NOT be prepared for a future threat.
andouille-catfish-shrimp gumbo is ready, bowls are in the cupboard and the spoons are in the drawer…gumbo’s on the stove —>
LanceKates wrote:
From the price of Sanyo plasma TVs’, I seriously doubt it. $698.00 for a 50″ plasma. GOing to pick one up this weekend…
coldwarrior wrote:
hmm.. sounds better than what I have.
SciFiGuy wrote:
Oh and anyway the original # was closer to 750
@ LanceKates:
Water Buffalo Teamsters?
@ SciFiGuy:
If I got a bigger TV, I’d have to buy a new entertainment center, as the one we have fits this tv perfectly.
The issue I have is sound, though.
Movies and even regular tv, the background music is insanely loud… to the point that it is sometimes hard to hear the conversations.
Even when I run through my sound system. I don’t know what the deal is…. I’ msure I’m just behind the times with technology.
Poteen wrote:
Water Buffalos, of course, being the shadiest of Buffalo… and therefore a perfect fit for teamsters.
LanceKates wrote:
its really good…i havent made gumbo in a long time
@ Nevergiveup:
Agree that the Air force Fighter planes are now sucking the exiting orifice. Bunch of clueless F’in dolts.
SciFiGuy wrote:
So is the Navy. Huge fighter gap looming
LanceKates wrote:
the levels of your surround sound channels are all out of ‘the wack’
@ coldwarrior:
While it snows outside, I’m thinking soup and sandwhich.
freezing rain/sleet yesterday, snow today.
I’m glad we have this global warming thing..
LanceKates wrote:
Led by their president– Jimmy Heifer Jr.
If we build the F-22 and a space program doesn’t that create REAL JOBS
@ LanceKates:
Grilled Cheese please
coldwarrior wrote:
mmmm mmmm mmmm
@ coldwarrior:
I don’t have the dolby 5.0.
I spent hours monkeying with the thing…. it’s been going on for months.
The problem is, I shouldn’t have to turn on a surround sound system in order to watch Bones or the Mentalist. It doesn’t matter how I set my tv’s speakers, the background noise is far louder than the conversation.
I’ll turn down, on the sound system, the front and rear L and R speakers, and turn up the center…. and it helps marginally.
The worse time I ever had with this was the movie Master and Commander.
Giant explosions and loud music while they whipsered the whole thing.
@ Nevergiveup:
THe 750 number was floated around the same time that I was working for Lockheed Martin back in the early ’90s. It was eventually dropped down 441 ? 442 when the contract was finally let. That was also dropped to 331 when the total cost of the airplane was settled in at $361 MILLION for each plane. A nice chunk of change…
Calo wrote:
ok, but I’m a taxpayer, so I can only afford the ‘process cheese product’ sliced cheese that tastes like plastic.
Speaking of water buffaloes, you all may remember that a few years ago a student at Penn State was disciplined under the university’s hate speech code for using the term “water buffalo.”
Seems that an Israeli student objected to all the noisy oohooing a black sorority was engaging in during its pledge week, and—trying to study—yelled out the window that they should shut up and stop behaving like a bunch of water buffaloes.
“Water buffalo” was a loose translation of the Hebrew “behema,” which means “large animal,” familiar to us as the English word “behemoth,” which is the Hebrew plural.
He was hauled up for engaging in racist hate speech for using “water buffalo,” but I believe was eventually exonerated.
Re: my 135
It would be interesting to make a list (and then probably a thread) showing where Osama Bin Laden (an avowed enemy of the U.S.) and the Democrats (presumably patriotic) agree.
off the top of my head:
Global Warning, American Imperialism, Anti-Israel, Anti-GW Bush, Anti-Christians, Anti-Afganistan War, Anti-Iraq War, Anti-Oil,
@ LanceKates:
how do you have a center channel if u dont have db 5.1?
@ LanceKates:
I guess a swiss grilled cheese is not in the budget?
OT:
“Good” News:
Israel Retires (permanently) Hamas official in Dubai
Bad, but not surprising news:
“moderate”, holocaust denying, leader of the PLO Admits They Want All of Jerusalem.
@ WrathofG-d:
I just read this, too!!
It’s interesting how ObL’s intentions seem to mirror Obama’s:
Eliana wrote:
Actually, a miraculous transformation—like the one that happened to Tim Allen in “The Santa Clause”—has occurred, and Michael Moore is now Osama Bin Laden.
@ coldwarrior:
I have a center speaker. it is a 5 speaker set.
I may have dolby 5.0. To be honest I don’t know. While I know alot about a few things, a moderate amount about many thing and some things are other things…I know almost nothing about sound systems. (Funny given the years I played music)
I’ve had this sound system for about 4 years now and I thought that 5.0 came out after that.
@ Eliana:
That is what struck me as well, the arguments of Osama Bin Laden practically mirror those of the (New) Left.
Global Warming isn’t the only similarity (as I point out above). In the context of a “New Left” world view, this all actually makes sense (which is why I really should work on that Thread in draft) since both would see the U.S. and the bad, and themselves as saviors of the international “people” from U.S. imperialism and war.
Amazing!
Calo wrote:
Maybe in a Swiss bankers budget. You get Cheez Whiz.
@ Calo:
nope. and lunch plans changed.
frozen tv dinner. they’re not great, but they were on sale, 10 for 10 bucks.
LanceKates wrote:
Frozen transvestite dinners?
@ WrathofG-d:
Israel says they want the land they bought: OH THOSE EVIL ISRALIES TRYING TO STEAL LAND!
Pallies say they want to wipe Israel into the sea and take all their land and kill every one of them: “See? They just want a two-state solution.”
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Tacos AND hot dogs for lunch?
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
if soylent green is man, then these dinners may very well be trannies.
LanceKates wrote:
nope…5.1 has been out for yearsandyears.
your channel levels are off, thats why you cant hear the dialogue (mostly center channels) and the background is overpowering, i did the same thing.
your rear channels should never be heard unless there is action ‘behind you’ which is rare. back channels are for rill in, most people have em jacked up too high.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Ok – as I must lose 10 pounds – I am not hungry anymore. Thank you.
SciFiGuy wrote:
Defense is never cheap. Defeat is more expensive
@ coldwarrior:
and I can fiddle with that, the problem is the worst when using just the tv speakers instead of my sound system. I’m just amazed by it. heh.
@ LanceKates:
Yep, pretty much….and yet I still near daily get e-mails from my supposedly pro-Israel friends explaining how the Phakestinians just want peace, and the
TwoThree-State is the only option.WrathofG-d wrote:
How would he know? He only knows it’s raining when his cave starts filling up and the rats leave.
Calo wrote:
I live to serve.
LanceKates wrote:
think of it this way:
voice: center channel
background noises: front channels
fill in and noise behind you: back channels
turn off the tv speakers (or have them very low)
get the center channel up high and turn down the front channels and turn down the rears a bit more than the front. try it.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
{{buzzsawmonkey}}
@ Poteen:
ha!
Just like the Democrats, although he uses Global Warming as the headline, he is really speaking of American exceptionalism, and suggesting solutions which would attack our economy.
bbl…gotta hit the weights.
One of the things that has been bugging me about the SOTU address…. Obama said we were going to increase exports greatly….
One way that the USSR funded itself was by taking grain and other grown food away from farmers and sold it…. letting the farmers starve.
Then the USSR blamed their deaths on bad weather causing a famine…. meanwhile they exported more than enough grain to feed everyone…. while saying that they didn’t have enough to feed anyone.
@ coldwarrior:
I’ll fiddle with it more today.
thanks
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
So now he’s part of the ExxonMobil Zionist conspiracy?
@ WrathofG-d:
The only way he can affect our economy now is if the commodity market suddenly becomes dependent on rat belly futures.
I honestly think that bin Laden alive or thought to be alive serves a purpose for us. If we can read a license plate from space, we can find an abnormally tall guy in Waziristan. One that a lot of bad guys are looking to for guidance. After 8 yrs. he still around for a reason.
@ Poteen:
Osama is hooked up to the Cave News Network, which is how he keeps up on the proggie talking points so that he can use them in his speeches.
It’s also possible that proggie speech writers are ghost writing the text for Osama’s tapes that he records regularly as “Caveside Chats.”
Testing – 1,2,3.
Tap tap tap.
Is this on?
@ Nevergiveup:
Yes it does that’s why Obama is cutting off funding.
@ WrathofG-d:
That’s my post tonight!
@ Nevergiveup:
It’s worth the money.
SciFiGuy wrote:
Not only do we need more F-22s, we need a tactical stealth bomber, something to replace the F-111 & F-117. Sending in a B-2 isn’t always the best option.
Dow not happy this morning, and not happy this afternoon. Closes down.
@ Bumr50:
Same with medical/health care and health insurance companies. “Oh, I see you’re covered by insurance. We’re going to schedule you for some more testing.” They get that ‘blank check’ look in their eyes !
I just got a bill for a one way, 15 mile ambulance ride:
1k
1 grand
One Thousand Dollars
Amazing. In my best Richard Pryor voice:
Thank G_d I have health insurance !
But then again, if I didn’t, or, “we” didn’t, the bill would be nowhere close to this or they’d be out of business in a day.
This is the heart of the ‘health care’ crisis.
“And the wheels on the bus go ’round and ’round…”
@ vapig:
We have to get back to more ‘goods’ and less ‘services’. Or a more stable balance between the two. If we don’t ‘produce’ but only ‘serve’ the whole thing comes crashing down. the production during the WWII years brought us the boom of the 50′s. Other than these here internets,(miniaturization/micro chip and associated products) what the hell have we done since the moon shot and building the WTC ? I used to love reading the ‘Popular…” series of magazines back in the 50s/60s.What I though our world would look like by 2010 !! Lookin’ around my house and up and down my street, things look pretty much as they did in 1944. OK, my pick up is a little more stream lined.
Micky D’s, Motel 6 and Disney vs Alcoa, Pittsburgh Steel…
BTW, Motel 6 has announced that they can no longer afford to ‘keep the light on”.
mawskrat wrote:
If she’s protected by a union she and her co workers can file a class action ‘past practice’ grievance. How dare they !
LOL !!