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What would Reagan do?

by m ( 136 Comments › )
Filed under Blogmocracy, Open thread, Politics at February 6th, 2010 - 12:00 pm

Interesting opinion piece today from the Fox News Forum

On what would have been his 99th birthday, here are the Gipper’s lessons for restoring American greatness–and the keys to winning the next election.

What Would Reagan Do? What would our 40th President do if he became, through some miracle, our 45th President? Ronald Reagan, born on this day, February 6, 1911–Happy Birthday Mr. President, wherever you are!–passed away in 2004, but this question is still important to answer–as our thoughts turn to the future, to the next president after the 44th.

Because we know we don’t want Barack Obama in the Oval Office for more than a single term.

For conservatives and libertarians–and, after the recent elections, independents and independent Democrats–there’s not much more to be said about the incumbent. From the audacity of hope to the reality of deep disappointment, his decline and fall compressed itself into just a year.
We know that Obama and his liberal-left policies have damaged our economy, degraded our national finances, and insulted traditional values.

[...]

Today’s Reagan would think long and hard about Islam, just as the original Reagan thought long and hard about communism. The original Reagan read Whittaker Chambers and consulted with Alexander Solzhenitsyn; the new Reagan would be similarly learning from experts and survivors. And so once he was in the White House, the new Reagan would gather the best and most clear-eyed advisers, before determining the best course of action.

George W. Bush thought he could change the culture of Islam through military force. Obama thinks he can change the culture of Islam through the force of words, including a lot of “I’m sorry” wording–and a little bit of bowing. Our Reagan would do better. Mindful of the stubborn realities of human nature, he would work with key allies to craft a comprehensive strategy for protecting the West. And he would seek, when and if possible, to advance security and freedom for the rest of the world.

To do so, he would cheerfully think outside of mental boxes he might have inherited from narrower-thinking predecessors. Always genial, but never naive, Reagan would dispense with illusion and credulity, pursuing instead missile defense and credible arms control. Indeed, in today’s proliferated world, it’s hard to think of a better idea right now than missile defense. Reagan thought so, too–and said so, from the Oval Office, back in 1983. If we had made steady progress on missile defense over the last three decades, America and her allies would be safe now from rogue regimes in Iran, North Korea, and Lebanon.

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Ronald Wilson Reagan (February 6, 1911– June 5, 2004)

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  1. Doppelganger
    1 | February 6, 2010 12:06

    Happy Birthday Mr. President.

    You are sorely missed. We need you more than ever


  2. chickadee
    2 | February 6, 2010 12:16

    I never knew he was soooooo funny or delightful.
    Wow just compare him to the shallow, boring, narcissistic, idiot Zero.


  3. chickadee
    3 | February 6, 2010 12:17

    Doppelganger wrote:

    Happy Birthday Mr. President.

    You are sorely missed. We need you more than ever

    We really do need him more than ever.


  4. snork
    4 | February 6, 2010 12:17

    The Islamist threat isn’t the only think he’d do differently. Under him you wouldn’t have seen this porkulus, he wouldn’t be trying to nationalize health care and outlaw industry.


  5. snork
    5 | February 6, 2010 12:17

    chickadee wrote:

    I never knew he was soooooo funny or delightful.
    Wow just compare him to the shallow, boring, narcissistic, idiot Zero.

    Didn’t you see his teleprompter?


  6. RIX
    6 | February 6, 2010 12:20

    In my mind the Gipper was the last real President.
    He is most assuredly a Republican icon. The difference between the respect given to Regan & the hysterical allegiance of the Obama supporters is that nobody thougt that Regam was a Deity, just a good guy & a great president.


  7. goddessoftheclassroom
    7 | February 6, 2010 12:23

    He was a gentleman, he was a leader, and he was devoted to his wife (and she to him).


  8. RIX
    8 | February 6, 2010 12:24

    chickadee wrote:

    I never knew he was soooooo funny or delightful.
    Wow just compare him to the shallow, boring, narcissistic, idiot Zero.

    To me his funniest line was, “It’s true hard work never killed anybody, but I figure, why take the chance?”


  9. chickadee
    9 | February 6, 2010 12:25

    snork wrote:

    chickadee wrote:

    I never knew he was soooooo funny or delightful.
    Wow just compare him to the shallow, boring, narcissistic, idiot Zero.

    Didn’t you see his teleprompter?

    That was amazing wasn’t it. Such a confident man, not arrogant.
    He had such great principles and he spoke from the heart.
    Zero is like a wisp of foul air next to Ronald Reagan.


  10. snork
    10 | February 6, 2010 12:25

    RIX wrote:

    In my mind the Gipper was the last real President.
    He is most assuredly a Republican icon. The difference between the respect given to Regan & the hysterical allegiance of the Obama supporters is that nobody thougt that Regam was a Deity, just a good guy & a great president.

    I think it’s simpler than that. Zero is a messiah to some, but he’s neither a leader nor a manager. Reagan was a delegator as a manager (probably his biggest fault) and not a messiah, but what he was was a leader. Before him, you have to go back to Ike to find another leader like him. LBJ was an effective motivator, but his agenda was too controversial for me to consider that leadership.


  11. snork
    11 | February 6, 2010 12:25

    chickadee wrote:

    Zero is like a wisp of foul air next to Ronald Reagan.

    BUT HE WENT TO HARVARD!!!


  12. Doppelganger
    12 | February 6, 2010 12:26

    The Gipper didn’t need a teleprompter to tell you what he had for lunch


  13. Opilio
    13 | February 6, 2010 12:27

    OT, because I’m tired of posting on dead threads.

    snork wrote:

    Latest @ BVoAF: tea partiers are all theocrats.

    In other news: CJ now endorses the pejorative* “teabagger” term for supporters of the Tea Party movement. He’s refered to the ongoing Tea Party Convention as TeaBagCon in the titles of three separate posts during the last 24 hours.

    He’s always ignored (i.e. allowed, approved of) use of the term in comments, but I hadn’t seen him use the term until now.

    I guess he’s still trying to establish his bona fides with his new friends.

    *I had a hard time selecting an adjective: pejorative, derogatory, insulting, demeaning, libelous, cynical, slanderous, defamatory…


  14. m
    14 | February 6, 2010 12:27

    chickadee wrote:

    I never knew he was soooooo funny or delightful.

    “Peanuts, popcorn, cracker jacks?” lol!


  15. snork
    15 | February 6, 2010 12:28

    goddessoftheclassroom wrote:

    He was a gentleman, he was a leader, and he was devoted to his wife (and she to him).

    Actually, as far as we know, the current president is also devoted to his wife. Could you imagine how things would be if Edwards were elected???


  16. chickadee
    16 | February 6, 2010 12:29

    RIX wrote:

    In my mind the Gipper was the last real President.
    He is most assuredly a Republican icon. The difference between the respect given to Regan & the hysterical allegiance of the Obama supporters is that nobody thougt that Regam was a Deity, just a good guy & a great president.

    Exactly.


  17. snork
    17 | February 6, 2010 12:29

    Opilio wrote:

    *I had a hard time selecting an adjective: pejorative, derogatory, insulting, demeaning, libelous, cynical, slanderous, defamatory…

    Homophobic?


  18. chickadee
    18 | February 6, 2010 12:34

    Doppelganger wrote:

    The Gipper didn’t need a teleprompter to tell you what he had for lunch

    He hardly even looked down at his notes. He didn’t have to.
    He knew what was in his heart and he was proud of his love for his country.


  19. chickadee
    19 | February 6, 2010 12:38

    m wrote:

    chickadee wrote:

    I never knew he was soooooo funny or delightful.

    “Peanuts, popcorn, cracker jacks?” lol!

    Funny and so fitting.


  20. MrPaulRevere
    20 | February 6, 2010 12:40

    Reagan was pure genius on almost every level: His domestic and foreign policies were wildly successful. He also formed a deep emotional bond with (enough of) the American people, which trusted him to do the right thing. And of course his well known ability to play off the opposition like so many buzzing flies. Reagan also understood that a nation must be respected before it can be “liked”. We all felt safe with him because we knew he would not put up with any nonsense. From anyone.


  21. m
    21 | February 6, 2010 12:41


  22. MrPaulRevere
    22 | February 6, 2010 12:43

    @ chickadee:

    He knew what was in his heart and he was proud of his love for his country.

    Indeed. The formula for success is not some complicated narrative taught at Harvard.


  23. RIX
    23 | February 6, 2010 12:44

    @ snork:
    I think it’s simpler than that. Zero is a messiah to some, but he’s neither a leader nor a manager. Reagan was a delegator as a manager (probably his biggest fault) and not a messiah, but what he was was a leader.

    I think that Regan recognised his own strengths & limitations.
    He acted accordingly & in my mind that made him a great leader.


  24. Doppelganger
    24 | February 6, 2010 12:45

    Charles Homophobe Johnson


  25. 25 | February 6, 2010 12:46

    snork wrote:

    chickadee wrote:
    Zero is like a wisp of foul air next to Ronald Reagan.
    BUT HE WENT TO HARVARD!!!

    He went to Harvard. Let us not forget then,Khalid al-Mansour.OPEC attorney.Tied to Islam. Connecting the dots. No wonder people are birthers etc. No wonder people believe President Wee is muslim.


  26. snork
    26 | February 6, 2010 12:49

    BUT EVERYBODY WHO GOES TO HARVARD IS A GENIUS!!!


  27. Overlook
    27 | February 6, 2010 12:52

    @ snork:

    Especially the proteges of Khalidi.


  28. vagabond trader
    28 | February 6, 2010 12:52

    At RRs inauguration.


  29. RIX
    29 | February 6, 2010 12:53

    snork wrote:

    BUT EVERYBODY WHO GOES TO HARVARD IS A GENIUS!!!</

    blockquote>

    Hah! I drove pat Yale.


  30. snork
    30 | February 6, 2010 12:55

    Thats, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massatoositts, according to Teh Won.


  31. Guggi
    31 | February 6, 2010 12:57

    snork wrote:

    HARVARD

    Did you say “Harvard” ?

    Legitimating Nazism: Harvard University and the Hitler regime, 1933-1937.(Adolph Hitler)

    The Harvard University administration during the 1930s, led by President James Bryant Conant, ignored numerous opportunities to take a principled stand against the Hitler regime and its antisemitic outrages, and contributed to Nazi Germany’s efforts to improve its image in the West. Its lack of concern about Nazi antisemitism was shared by many influential Harvard alumni and student leaders. In warmly welcoming Nazi leaders to the Harvard campus, inviting them to prestigious, high-profile social events, and striving to build friendly relations with thoroughly Nazified universities in Germany, while denouncing those who protested against these actions, Harvard’s administration and many of its student leaders offered important encouragement to the Hitler regime as it intensified its persecution of Jews and expanded its military strength.

    Snip


  32. RIX
    32 | February 6, 2010 13:08

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    Ronald Reagan’s letter to the American people
    Nov. 5 1994

    My Fellow Americans,

    I have recently been told that I am one of the Americans who will be afflicted with Alzheimer’s Disease.

    Upon learning this news, Nancy & I had to decide whether as private citizens we would keep this a private matter or whether we would make this news known in a public way.

    In the past Nancy suffered from breast cancer and I had my cancer surgeries. We found through our open disclosures we were able to raise public awareness. We were happy that as a result many more people underwent testing. They were treated in early stages and able to return to normal, healthy lives.

    So now, we feel it is important to share it with you. In opening our hearts, we hope this might promote greater awareness of this condition. Perhaps it will encourage a clearer understanding of the individuals and families who are affected by it.

    At the moment I feel just fine. I intend to live the remainder of the years God gives me on this earth doing the things I have always done. I will continue to share life’s journey with my beloved Nancy and my family. I plan to enjoy the great outdoors and stay in touch with my friends and supporters.

    Unfortunately, as Alzheimer’s Disease progresses, the family often bears a heavy burden. I only wish there was some way I could spare Nancy from this painful experience. When the time comes I am confident that with your help she will face it with faith and courage.

    In closing let me thank you, the American people for giving me the great honor of allowing me to serve as your President. When the Lord calls me home, whenever that may be I will face it with the greatest love for this country of ours and eternal optimism for its future.

    I now begin the journey that will lead me into the sunset of my life. I know that for America there will always be a bright dawn ahead.

    Thank you, my friends. May God always bless you.

    Sincerely,

    Ronald Reagan


  33. snork
    33 | February 6, 2010 13:10

    @ RIX:
    Kinda makes hopenchange sound tinny, doesn’t it?


  34. RIX
    34 | February 6, 2010 13:15

    snork wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Kinda makes hopenchange sound tinny, doesn’t it?

    Yeah, it sure does. I recall reading this for the fisrt time.
    I was struck by his courage & his devotion to the Ameican people.
    He had great dignity.


  35. tunnelrat
    35 | February 6, 2010 13:17

    It is impossible to compare Reagan with the Zero, other than to say that they both are fantastic communicators. All similarity ends there. Reagan was a man of principle who knew where he stood at all times and inspired confidence in the American people. Obama is an empty suit who divides the country by race, income, education, social status, ideology, and many other things in order to foster an entitlement mentality in Americans. It is destructive to the country and only serves to create votes for the democrat party. It is sad and despicable.


  36. 36 | February 6, 2010 13:21

    Wasn’t it Crist recently referred to himself as someone akin to reagan?

    It was some liberal republican.


  37. RIX
    37 | February 6, 2010 13:26

    While there are respectful rememberances here of Ronald Reagan, this is what Jumbo Johnson is doing.

    TeaBagCon Live on C-SPAN
    Oh well, they’ve cut away now. The next broadcast will be at 6 pm Pacific, for the $100,000 speech of ex-governor Sarah Palin.

    Notice that CJ uses “Teabag”
    He leaves a couple of things out, Palin is donating her fee back to the organization & unlike Obama & the rest of the Dems, the tea Partiers welcome the Cspan cameras.The rest of the Weasels of course piled on


  38. MrPaulRevere
    38 | February 6, 2010 13:35

    @ RIX:
    That paragon of journalistic integrity, Charles “no correction” Johnson is omitting facts? The hell you say //


  39. RIX
    39 | February 6, 2010 13:36

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    @ RIX:
    That paragon of journalistic integrity, Charles “no correction” Johnson is omitting facts? The hell you say //

    Difficult to believe, I know.


  40. 40 | February 6, 2010 13:37

    @ RIX:
    They did more to keep things transparent and open than the administration, and they catch hell for it.


  41. 41 | February 6, 2010 13:39

    And, would Reagan say “I haven’t left the Republican Party. The Republican Party left me.”


  42. 42 | February 6, 2010 13:40

    @ RIX:

    Yes, a model of civility, Charles likes to call people (like me and Zombie among others) “creeps”, but he is the one who truly meets that appellation. And a loathesome creep he is. Truly vile.


  43. 43 | February 6, 2010 13:40

    Of course, Charles is more open and transparent than the administration. Heh


  44. RIX
    44 | February 6, 2010 13:40

    LanceKates wrote:

    @ RIX:
    They did more to keep things transparent and open than the administration, and they catch hell for it.

    That is the irony. CJ is now bashing the tea Partiers for denouncing
    ‘Birthers.” I’m serious, Husky Blogger questions their sincerity, cause you know he has special powers


  45. snork
    45 | February 6, 2010 13:42

    RIX wrote:

    ‘Birthers.” I’m serious, Husky Blogger questions their sincerity, cause you know he has special powers

    Bearish, not Husky.

    I resemble that remark.


  46. RIX
    46 | February 6, 2010 13:45

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Yes, a model of civility, Charles likes to call people (like me and Zombie among others) “creeps”, but he is the one who truly meets that appellation. And a loathesome creep he is. Truly vile.

    True, the guys very existence is an affront to personal hygene.
    He really needs to clean up.
    He also is clearly not a slave to physical exercise, truthfulness & critical thinking.


  47. MrPaulRevere
    47 | February 6, 2010 13:45

    @ Iron Fist:
    Someone was crapping on Zombie earlier today, they can’t let it go.


  48. 48 | February 6, 2010 13:47

    Check out the pic of one of the teabagging racists at Instapundit. I wonder if this guy (who happens to be black) knows he is a racist, or if he’s one of those stealth racists who hides it from himself to better fool others? Damn, LGF has become such an awful place I am embarrassed to have ever been associated with it. CJ did me a favor when he erased all of my posts.


  49. RIX
    49 | February 6, 2010 13:48

    snork wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    ‘Birthers.” I’m serious, Husky Blogger questions their sincerity, cause you know he has special powers
    Bearish, not Husky.
    I resemble that remark.

    Ok, I’m going with Bearish, Husky Blogger.
    It says it all.


  50. MrPaulRevere
    50 | February 6, 2010 13:49

    @ Iron Fist:

    Damn, LGF has become such an awful place I am embarrassed to have ever been associated with it.

    +10


  51. tunnelrat
    51 | February 6, 2010 13:49

    HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:55:54pm replyquote

    * 6
    * down
    * up
    * report

    (AP)God Cancels Speech at Teabagcon..
    Sources confirm today that the God Almighty has canceled his Keynote speech today at Teabagcon.
    Speaking off the record, our sources claim God was heard to announce ‘Forget those bigots and skin heads’
    Jesus caught by our reporter at Per Se at his usual lunchtime table had no Comment..
    Tensions have been building up for months over the so-called Religious right and God causing well publicized falling outs in the major Media markets.
    Just 6 months from the huge scandal of the Fox/Jesus split-up, pundits have been spinning furiously.. Each Network trying to claim the high ground..
    –Update soon–

    Funny guy, that Hoosier Hoops. He should be a comedian.


  52. RIX
    52 | February 6, 2010 13:56

    @ tunnelrat:
    Funny guy, that Hoosier Hoops. He should be a comedian

    He cribed it from this Onion piece

    Christ Turns Down 3-Year, Multimillion Dollar Deal To Coach Notre Dame | The Onion – America’s Finest News Source

    SOUTH BEND, IN—Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Savior of All Mankind, and current defensive coordinator at Middle Tennessee State, said Monday that He would not accept Notre Dame’s 3-year, $5.6 million offer to coach the Fighting Irish. “I love Notre Dame and respect their football legacy, but no matter what you’ve accomplished before coaching there, once you’re a Golden Domer, the expectations, frankly, are unrealistic,” said Christ, whose family has been involved with the university since its founding. “I’ve had people turn on Me before, and it really put Me through hell. But even more importantly, I’ve made a commitment to stay with the Blue Raiders through 2015.” Christ denied asking Notre Dame to remove His likeness from the building overlooking their stadium, saying He liked a good joke as much as anybody


  53. 53 | February 6, 2010 13:57


    George W. Bush thought he could change the culture of Islam through military force. Obama thinks he can change the culture of Islam through the force of words, including a lot of “I’m sorry” wording–and a little bit of bowing.

    Both Bush and Obama don’t understand Islam. Reagan would of studied and implemted policies to counter act this movement.


  54. 54 | February 6, 2010 13:58

    @ tunnelrat:

    LGF is starting to make DKos look sane. It is amazing to me thatpeople can so completely change their principles following a blogger (Teablogger?) on the Internet. We’re not talking minor shifts in opinion here, but complete remakes of their public personalities into something pretty loathesome. Of course, most of us didn’t make the change and were cast out of “paradise”. Too bad for us, right?


  55. 55 | February 6, 2010 13:58

    @ RIX:

    I’m partying in South Florida while The Jazz ARtist hides in his home!


  56. snork
    56 | February 6, 2010 14:00

    @ Rodan:
    Blair was the one who had the real hardon about nation building. That part of it may have been the price Bush had to pay to get Blair on board. I don’t think most of our people were all that excited about it, but Blair may have convinced Bush.


  57. snork
    57 | February 6, 2010 14:02

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I’m partying in South Florida while The Jazz ARtist hides in his home!

    His gated community where un-Mata Hari feeds him fruit and water? I’m picturing un-Mata Hari as Nurse Ratched. And I wonder what’s in the fruit and water?


  58. snork
    58 | February 6, 2010 14:03

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Of course, most of us didn’t make the change and were cast out of “paradise”. Too bad for us, right?

    Is that the part of Genesis that ended up on the cutting room floor? The part about Adam and Steve living hippily ever after?


  59. RIX
    59 | February 6, 2010 14:04

    @ Rodan:

    You must be between parties?


  60. wolfie
    60 | February 6, 2010 14:04

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    Someone was crapping on Zombie earlier today, they can’t let it go.

    The Undead One is thriving, with regular articles appearing at PJM, a site with far more readers than CJ’s shriveled-up bloggie.

    Breaking with LGF was the best thing that could have happened to Zombie, and the venomous lizards resent it mightily. Heh.


  61. RIX
    61 | February 6, 2010 14:07

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I’m partying in South Florida while The Jazz ARtist hides in his home!

    I bet the place is nuts this week. Great time huh?


  62. RIX
    62 | February 6, 2010 14:10

    @ snork:
    And I wonder what’s in the fruit and water?

    Whoa dude. I wonder if the groovy chubby is into bong water?


  63. 63 | February 6, 2010 14:11

    RIX wrote:

    LanceKates wrote:
    @ RIX:
    They did more to keep things transparent and open than the administration, and they catch hell for it.
    That is the irony. CJ is now bashing the tea Partiers for denouncing
    ‘Birthers.” I’m serious, Husky Blogger questions their sincerity, cause you know he has special powers

    There’s reason to, given the polls I’ve seen. That, and the standing ovation. No special powers needed.


  64. 64 | February 6, 2010 14:12

    @ Rodan:
    So what’s the plan to watch the “Game”? Are you one of the chosen people with a ticket into the Super Bowl? Penthouse suite with a wide screen and babes? Buckets of Perrier’ Jouet?
    I want VIDEO dammit!


  65. RIX
    65 | February 6, 2010 14:16

    re: #163 HoosierHoops

    To bad both teams can’t win…If the Saints do win..IF.. Then I’ll still be happy for America’s City…I’m just so happy for them…
    This is a win-win game

    WTF? Now there’s a real fan. “I feel strongly both ways.” *wink*


  66. Doppelganger
    66 | February 6, 2010 14:18

    RIX wrote:

    LanceKates wrote:
    @ RIX:
    They did more to keep things transparent and open than the administration, and they catch hell for it.
    That is the irony. CJ is now bashing the tea Partiers for denouncing
    ‘Birthers.” I’m serious, Husky Blogger questions their sincerity, cause you know he has special powers

    kind of like when Chucky’s pals on the left denounce terrorism. I doubt it since Chucky’s pals are all cozey with Hamas and Al aqsa martyr’s brigades

    that’s right chucky, you are a terrorist enabler. That’s teh funny thing about guilt by association , innit?


  67. Doppelganger
    67 | February 6, 2010 14:19

    RIX wrote:

    re: #163 HoosierHoops
    To bad both teams can’t win…If the Saints do win..IF.. Then I’ll still be happy for America’s City…I’m just so happy for them…
    This is a win-win game
    WTF? Now there’s a real fan. “I feel strongly both ways.” *wink*

    Since when is NOLa America’s city?

    Don’t get me wrong, I love NOLa, but America’s city it sure as Hell ain’t


  68. RIX
    68 | February 6, 2010 14:24

    @ Doppelganger:
    that’s right chucky, you are a terrorist enabler. That’s teh funny thing about guilt by association , innit?

    That is Charlies logic. If you are a Conservative whose brother may or may not have gone to the same college as a white supremacist, you are a racist.
    If you are a Progressive like Van Jones & claim that you were Marxist, you were never a Marxist.


  69. Doppelganger
    69 | February 6, 2010 14:26

    tunnelrat wrote:

    HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:55:54pm replyquote
    * 6
    * down
    * up
    * report
    (AP)God Cancels Speech at Teabagcon..
    Sources confirm today that the God Almighty has canceled his Keynote speech today at Teabagcon.
    Speaking off the record, our sources claim God was heard to announce ‘Forget those bigots and skin heads’
    Jesus caught by our reporter at Per Se at his usual lunchtime table had no Comment..
    Tensions have been building up for months over the so-called Religious right and God causing well publicized falling outs in the major Media markets.
    Just 6 months from the huge scandal of the Fox/Jesus split-up, pundits have been spinning furiously.. Each Network trying to claim the high ground..
    –Update soon–
    Funny guy, that Hoosier Hoops. He should be a comedian.

    Vile scumbag hoosierhoops. you pathetic POS!!!!

    These people you are painting with a broad brush are the backbone of this country, you vile little cocksucker. The guilt by association you are latching onto ( copying the groupthink of a fat man in a pony tail who never had an original thought in his life ) is so far off target.

    you are maligning every American with this trash talk. You piece of shit!


  70. RIX
    70 | February 6, 2010 14:27

    @ Doppelganger:
    Don’t get me wrong, I love NOLa, but America’s city it sure as Hell ain’t

    I like the place too, but Americas city it ain’t.
    Hoops is just trying to keep ir real & be Kewl
    because of Katrina.


  71. 71 | February 6, 2010 14:27

    @ Doppelganger:

    New Orleans is America’s City like Rudy is America’s Mayor.

    Just rhetoric to make people seem unamerican for not liking them or not caring about them.

    New Orleans is a city filled with corruption, crime, dependence on government, mindless dependence and a small tourist trade.


  72. snork
    72 | February 6, 2010 14:31

    RIX wrote:

    groovy chubby

    That’s it. That’s the right name.


  73. 73 | February 6, 2010 14:31

    @ RIX:

    New Orleans is going to be milking Katrina 50 years from now. How is it the rest of the Gulf Coast made it through the AGW Caused TerrorStorm™ and has recovered without a few billion in aid (and major whining for the last five years)? I’m sick of it. You don’t see that shit anywhere else major disasters occur.


  74. wolfie
    74 | February 6, 2010 14:31

    @ ChenZhen:

    Ah! A Kos Research poll— of self-identified Republicans, BTW, not Tea Partiers! Good source!

    /////

    In all seriousness, these general attitude polls have to be taken with a truckload of salt, even when done by more reliable outfits. Do you really think, for example, that over 35% of self-identified Democrats in 2008 believed either GWBush or the Joooooos were behind 9/11? Or that a solid majority of Democrats were Truthers of one kind or another? I don’t, and yet I remember seeing polls to that effect.


  75. RIX
    75 | February 6, 2010 14:36

    @ ChenZhen:
    There’s reason to, given the polls I’ve seen. That, and the standing ovation. No special powers needed.

    That poll was commissioned by Kos. It is the same organization that called the Brown /Coakley race a dead heat the day before voting.
    Every other poll predicted Brown.
    That poll was commissioned by Kos as well.
    You pay for a poll & you can get the results you want if you are so inclined.
    I don’t know about the standing ovations, since I didn’t see it.
    The point is that the organizers denounced Birtherism & Charlie has no way of knowing their sincerity.


  76. RIX
    76 | February 6, 2010 14:41

    @ Iron Fist:
    New Orleans is going to be milking Katrina 50 years from now.

    Right , I had sympathy for them , but enough!
    All the Bush bashing while Mayor Nagin refused to evacuate the city & said that New Orleans would remain a ‘Chocolate” city.
    No racism there./


  77. RIX
    77 | February 6, 2010 14:42

    snork wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    groovy chubby
    That’s it. That’s the right name.

    Alright! Let’s run with it.


  78. mfhorn
    78 | February 6, 2010 14:42

    Reagan would refuse to have a battle of wits with Obama- why would he fight someone who was only half-prepared?


  79. Doppelganger
    79 | February 6, 2010 14:42

    @ RIX:

    The Birther thing bothers me very little. All Obama has to do is release his Birth Certificate anyway, and the whole thing is done. But that’s beside the point.

    I’d rather have a bunch of “birthers” who are for limited government, hard work, obeying the law, having high morals, being fiscally respinsible, than a bunch of Progressives who are spending this nation into financial ruin!

    The principles of the Tea Party movement are those of our founders! I’ll stand with the founders over Icarus and his Flounders any day!


  80. Beltfed
    80 | February 6, 2010 14:44

    Opilio @ 13:

    In other news: CJ now endorses the pejorative* “teabagger” term for supporters of the Tea Party movement.

    And cj’s lunch in packaged in a jockstrap. ;)


  81. RIX
    81 | February 6, 2010 14:44

    mfhorn wrote:

    Reagan would refuse to have a battle of wits with Obama- why would he fight someone who was only half-prepared?

    I think that Regan would say something like “Let’s meet armed with teleprompters at 20 paces.”


  82. Opilio
    82 | February 6, 2010 14:45

    Back on January 23rd, ChenZhen had a Blogmocracy post that asked, in summary:

    In the past 30 days, the top two dozen posters at LGF have contributed ___% of the total comments.

    So I did an analysis of LGF in January 2010 (31 days) and the statistics are:

    Days: 31 (January 1-31, 2010)
    Posts: (35488 thru 35683)
    Comments: 81,536
    Deleted comments: 182

    Unique commenters: 866

    Commenters by average comment rate:
    1 comment/month: 248 (29%)
    <=1 comment/week: 467 (54%)
    <=1 comment/day: 660 (76%)

    And the answer is…

    In the past 30 days, the top two dozen posters at LGF have contributed 46.4% of the total comments.

    Lots of other interesting stats too.


  83. tunnelrat
    83 | February 6, 2010 14:45

    Chuckie has absolutely no clue what the tea parties are all about. The concept of concerned Americans protesting huge deficits and an intrusive government is totally lost on him. The fact that he tries to demonize his opponents with labels (fascist, tea-bagger, racist, etc…) rather than debate them shows him to be a childish and petty person.


  84. wolfie
    84 | February 6, 2010 14:51

    Opilio wrote:

    the top two dozen posters at LGF have contributed 46.4% of the total comments

    Wow!

    Quite an amusing Opiliofact™ !


  85. tunnelrat
    85 | February 6, 2010 14:51

    @ Opilio:
    But that does not factor in the sudden absence of Sharmuta and her usual 50 or more comments per day.


  86. snork
  87. Poteen
    87 | February 6, 2010 14:51

    @ Beltfed:

    And cj’s lunch in packaged in a jockstrap.

    Prolly don’t need it for anything else. ;)


  88. Doppelganger
    88 | February 6, 2010 14:53

    Opilio wrote:

    Back on January 23rd, ChenZhen had a Blogmocracy post that asked, in summary:
    In the past 30 days, the top two dozen posters at LGF have contributed ___% of the total comments.
    So I did an analysis of LGF in January 2010 (31 days) and the statistics are:
    Days: 31 (January 1-31, 2010)
    Posts: (35488 thru 35683)
    Comments: 81,536
    Deleted comments: 182
    Unique commenters: 866
    Commenters by average comment rate:
    1 comment/month: 248 (29%)
    <=1 comment/week: 467 (54%)
    <=1 comment/day: 660 (76%)
    And the answer is…
    In the past 30 days, the top two dozen posters at LGF have contributed 46.4% of the total comments.
    Lots of other interesting stats too.

    I’ll wager that at least 5 of them are socks of Chuckles!


  89. snork
    89 | February 6, 2010 14:54

    @ Opilio:
    Also, you see a similar pattern with visits, if you look at the Quantcast stats. 44% of the visits come from 2% of the visitors.


  90. Nevergiveup
    90 | February 6, 2010 14:54

    Doppelganger wrote:

    I’ll wager that at least 5 of them are socks of Chuckles!

    I’d rather be a sock on a rotting corpse


  91. Opilio
    91 | February 6, 2010 14:55

    tunnelrat wrote:

    @ Opilio:
    But that does not factor in the sudden absence of Sharmuta and her usual 50 or more comments per day.

    She only posted 131 comments all month (putting her in 116th place), but only 1 after January 21st.


  92. Doppelganger
    92 | February 6, 2010 14:56

    wow. ten people at 1.0 account for 1/3 of the comments!

    pathetic!


  93. Guggi
    93 | February 6, 2010 14:56

    Opilio wrote:

    Back on January 23rd, ChenZhen had a Blogmocracy post that asked, in summary:
    In the past 30 days, the top two dozen posters at LGF have contributed ___% of the total comments.
    So I did an analysis of LGF in January 2010 (31 days) and the statistics are:
    Days: 31 (January 1-31, 2010)
    Posts: (35488 thru 35683)

    Comments: 81,536
    Deleted comments: 182
    Unique commenters: 866
    Commenters by average comment rate:
    1 comment/month: 248 (29%)
    <=1 comment/week: 467 (54%)
    <=1 comment/day: 660 (76%)
    And the answer is…
    In the past 30 days, the top two dozen posters at LGF have contributed 46.4% of the total comments.
    Lots of other interesting stats too.

    Nil Stooge did some work


  94. mfhorn
    95 | February 6, 2010 14:57

    @ RIX:

    Better way would be ‘speeches WITHOUT teleprompters at 20 paces.’ Reagan would mop the floor with him. Even today.


  95. Overlook
    96 | February 6, 2010 14:58

    @ RIX:

    Sincerity is always open to question. Concern about his own apparent sincerity has cause the Wally to swear the blood-and-spit-oath of fealty to the progressives. Fanatics cannot have their sincerity questioned. Moderates can. Fanatical moderates wind up dancing on a pin-head: extremely sincere about not being extreme. The extremes squeeze in ever-closer: Horowitz, Spencer, Steyn, Krauthammer must be branded as extreme. Eventually, the center will contain a single whirling wagon driven by …Sharmuta.


  96. snork
    97 | February 6, 2010 14:59

    Opilio wrote:

    She only posted 131 comments all month (putting her in 116th place), but only 1 after January 21st.

    Which IIRC was about the time the NYT article came out.


  97. Opilio
    98 | February 6, 2010 14:59

    Doppelganger wrote:

    I’ll wager that at least 5 of them are socks of Chuckles!

    Don’t know about that, but CJ was the 52nd most prolific commenter on his own site, slightly ahead of Cato (55th), but not quite as high as Jimmah (48th).


  98. song_and_dance_man
    99 | February 6, 2010 14:59

    One of the best vids to be found at YouTube


  99. Empire1
    100 | February 6, 2010 14:59

    OT … I now have experimental proof that a standard-sized dachshund can disappear, except for nose and tail-tip, in 12″ of snow. I dug him a bigger potty area.


  100. 101 | February 6, 2010 15:02

    @ Opilio:

    Interesting. My guess was a much higher %, but to say that nearly half of the comments were left by the top 24 doesn’t refute what Dee was saying. I can see why CJ didn’t want to present the data that way.

    In fact, Dee said “two dozen or so“, so it’d be interesting to see what the stats would look like for, say, the top 30 posters.

    In addition, if you could somehow eliminate the “Hi, I’m a newbie” posts from the calculation (as Dee was specifically referring to actual discussions and how they were dominated), I think it’d be clear that Dee was pretty accurate in his assessment.


  101. Buckeye Abroad
    102 | February 6, 2010 15:02

    #46 Iron Fist

    Damn, LGF has become such an awful place I am embarrassed to have ever been associated with it.

    It’s a safe bet that thousands of others think the same. ;)


  102. Buckeye Abroad
    103 | February 6, 2010 15:03

    Sorry, make that #48.


  103. Poteen
    104 | February 6, 2010 15:04

    @ Opilio:

    She only posted 131 comments all month (putting her in 116th place), but only 1 after January 21st

    Wonder where she went? That’s a lot of time to fill in her day.
    Suppose she’s lurking here? Come out come out where ever you are!


  104. Guggi
    105 | February 6, 2010 15:04

    Sharmutas last comment in the thread “For Whom Does the Paperboy Toll?” 01/23/10

    224 Sharmuta
    1/23/2010 12:59:08 am PST 1downupreport

    re: #48 Charles

    I know that both Thanos’s and Sharmuta’s comments were left on the cutting room floor.

    I’m disgusted by this piece, and frankly quite glad to have been cut from this trashy piece of tabloid journalism.

    ——-

    She has changed her avatar to this one and is all “all love and peace” ;-)

    Sharmuta as St. Bernadette Soubirous *rofl* ;-) amazing !!!


  105. Opilio
    106 | February 6, 2010 15:06

    snork wrote:

    @ Opilio:
    Nil Stooge has a lot of stats and charts on that.

    Yes, I had seen that. Quite impressive. But I had already collected data for about 90% of the whole month of January, so I had to keep going. I don’t have any nifty charts. Just a pile of data for an occasional Opiliofact™.


  106. Doppelganger
    107 | February 6, 2010 15:06

    just 5 people post 20% of the comments at 1.0!


  107. vagabond trader
    108 | February 6, 2010 15:07

    @ Empire1:

    Pictures or it didn’t happen. :mrgreen:


  108. m
    109 | February 6, 2010 15:08

    Guggi:

    I’m disgusted by this piece, and frankly quite glad to have been cut from this trashy piece of tabloid journalism.

    No reason for her to be disgusted! I thought un-mata hari like was being generous.


  109. RIX
    110 | February 6, 2010 15:09

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Better way would be ’speeches WITHOUT teleprompters at 20 paces.’ Reagan would mop the floor with him. Even today.

    There is absolutely no doubt.


  110. 111 | February 6, 2010 15:11

    @ mfhorn:

    Speeches without teleprompters? I’d mop the floor with the Teleprompter Jesus’ ass.


  111. RIX
    112 | February 6, 2010 15:12

    @ Overlook:
    Eventually, the center will contain a single whirling wagon driven by …Sharmuta.

    That is a great line.


  112. Opilio
    113 | February 6, 2010 15:14

    ChenZhen wrote:

    @ Opilio:
    In fact, Dee said “two dozen or so“, so it’d be interesting to see what the stats would look like for, say, the top 30 posters.

    Top 30 commenters: 52.2% of comments
    Top 40 commenters: 60.1% of comments
    Top 50 commenters: 66.7% of comments

    OR

    25% of comments: top 9 posters
    33% of comments: top 14 posters
    50% of comments: top 28 posters
    66% of comments: top 50 posters
    75% of comments: top 66 posters
    80% of comments: top 78 posters


  113. wolfie
    114 | February 6, 2010 15:14

    The birther thing is a silly irrelevancy to me, although I don’t see
    why it’s so eeeeeeeevil to speculate about it.

    OTOH, whenever people start talking too seriously about Obama not being Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS or about impeachment, I think their hearts are fooloshly looking for a quick, magical fix.

    Ain’t gonna happen, and in any case, getting Obama out of the WH won’t kill the leftist movement. We have a longterm fight ahead of us.

    Also, I’ll take our birthers over the left’s War-for-Halliburtoners, War-for-the-Joooooosers, and *&^%$ Truthers any day of the week.


  114. Empire1
    115 | February 6, 2010 15:16

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    Well, I don’t go there any more, and couldn’t possibly care any less what’s going on there these days. And that used to be one of my favorite sites … :sigh:


  115. RIX
    116 | February 6, 2010 15:20

    @ Guggi:
    Sharmuta as St. Bernadette Soubirous *rofl* amazing !!!

    The Weasel creature was frothing the other day about Sharmutas
    avatar being responsible for persecuting her Irish ancestors & Jimmahas Scottish ancestors.
    Saint Bernadette? I thought that it must be Cromwell or William & Mary of Orange. Saint Bernadette?


  116. wolfie
    117 | February 6, 2010 15:21

    Guggi wrote:

    Sharmuta as St. Bernadette Soubirous

    I don’t think I’m easily offended, but that really offends me.


  117. wolfie
    118 | February 6, 2010 15:24

    RIX wrote:

    The Weasel creature was frothing the other day about Sharmutas
    avatar being responsible for persecuting her Irish ancestors & Jimmahas Scottish ancestors.
    Saint Bernadette? I thought that it must be Cromwell or William & Mary of Orange. Saint Bernadette?

    What????!!!

    Maybe it was still the smurf! (Makes as much sense.)


  118. Doppelganger
    119 | February 6, 2010 15:27

    wolfie wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    The Weasel creature was frothing the other day about Sharmutas
    avatar being responsible for persecuting her Irish ancestors & Jimmahas Scottish ancestors.
    Saint Bernadette? I thought that it must be Cromwell or William & Mary of Orange. Saint Bernadette?
    What????!!!
    Maybe it was still the smurf! (Makes as much sense.)

    LOL.

    That’s pretty rich coming from that miserable Kooz Iceweasel who spends her entire day persecuting everyone she encounters!


  119. Buckeye Abroad
    120 | February 6, 2010 15:30

    OT: VDH in solid form tonight

    One of the sad characteristics of contemporary Western society is the tendency to embrace noble lies. These are assertions and acts that don’t square with reality, with what we see and hear—and are voiced for apparently noble social purposes. Here are a few politically-incorrect examples.

    2) Israel. We are inundated with constant talk of the “Middle East crisis” and “the need to restart the peace process.”

    The reality? Hating Israel as a unique aggressor is simply predicated on five unspoken truths: 1) rampant anti-Semitism (one can hate Jews by the loftier notion of being “anti-Zionist”; 2) fear of radical Islamic terrorists; there are apparently no radical Tibetans hijacking planes or blowing up Madrid train stations due to Spanish ties with communist China; 3) oil, oil, oil. The Cypriots cannot enlist the Greeks to withhold 500 billion barrels of oil in the Aegean from world markets. If such a fantasy were true, Nicosia would be on the front pages; 4) Israel is Western, like the U.S., and in a most un-Western neighborhood, so hating Israel is a mechanism of hating the U.S. on the cheap; 5) demography. If there were a billion-person Orthodox community energized by a half-billion Greek-speakers, we most certainly would wish to solve the “Cyprus crisis”.


  120. Guggi
    121 | February 6, 2010 15:33

    RIX wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Sharmuta as St. Bernadette Soubirous *rofl* amazing !!!
    The Weasel creature was frothing the other day about Sharmutas
    avatar being responsible for persecuting her Irish ancestors & Jimmahas Scottish ancestors.
    Saint Bernadette? I thought that it must be Cromwell or William & Mary of Orange. Saint Bernadette?

    Uneducated idiots. Sharmuta picked her avatar from this site

    wolfie wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    Sharmuta as St. Bernadette Soubirous
    I don’t think I’m easily offended, but that really offends me.

    off-the-wall, isn’t it ?


  121. 122 | February 6, 2010 15:34

    @ Opilio:

    hmmm….that may call for a follow-up thread.

    I do fear that, while it does a better job analyzing what Dee was saying than the fact check smokescreen that CJ posted, it doesn’t portray a perfectly clear picture of who’s “dominating the discussions”.

    For that, I assume that we’d have to eliminate open threads (the silly beach pics, announced open threads, and the music videos), and stick with the actual “discussion” threads for the stats.

    I know it may be asking a lot, but if it’s not too tough, go ahead and relay whatever you’ve got to me via my contact form, and I’ll take a look at it and see if I can whip up a thread sometime next week.


  122. Empire1
    123 | February 6, 2010 15:35

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    Pictures or it didn’t happen.

    LOL!! I was wielding a shovel, not a camera, but I doubt we’ll get much melting overnight, so perhaps I can get him to pose against the snow on the sidewalk. :)


  123. Buckeye Abroad
    124 | February 6, 2010 15:36

    #115 Empire1

    Well, I don’t go there any more, and couldn’t possibly care any less what’s going on there these days. And that used to be one of my favorite sites … :sigh:

    I was the same and stopped looking years ago.

    I feel sorry for him to be honest. Chuck will find no peace.


  124. RIX
    125 | February 6, 2010 15:37

    @ wolfie:
    Maybe it was still the smurf! (Makes as much sense.)

    I don’t see how it could have been Saint Bernadette.
    Now that I think about it, Weasel claime to be offended as
    an Irish Catholic. Catholic? she claims to be an atheist.

    href=”#comment-263511″ title=”Go to comment of this author”>Doppelganger:
    That’s pretty rich coming from that miserable Kooz Iceweasel who spends her entire day persecuting everyone she encounters!

    She is a vile creature..


  125. Opilio
    126 | February 6, 2010 15:45

    @ ChenZhen:
    I’ll try to send you something.


  126. sk (skzion)
    127 | February 6, 2010 15:51

    Opilio wrote:

    Back on January 23rd, ChenZhen had a Blogmocracy post that asked, in summary:
    In the past 30 days, the top two dozen posters at LGF have contributed ___% of the total comments.
    So I did an analysis of LGF in January 2010 (31 days) and the statistics are:
    Days: 31 (January 1-31, 2010)
    Posts: (35488 thru 35683)
    Comments: 81,536
    Deleted comments: 182
    Unique commenters: 866
    Commenters by average comment rate:
    1 comment/month: 248 (29%)
    <=1 comment/week: 467 (54%)
    <=1 comment/day: 660 (76%)
    And the answer is…
    In the past 30 days, the top two dozen posters at LGF have contributed 46.4% of the total comments.
    Lots of other interesting stats too.

    Why do the percentages not reach 100%?


  127. sk (skzion)
    128 | February 6, 2010 15:54

    How did this become a thread about selrahC?


  128. sk (skzion)
    129 | February 6, 2010 16:11

    I did not appreciate RR when I was young. Now I realize how wrong I was.

    That said, he made some devastating mistakes.

    (1) He refused to take action against AIDS — or even use the word — until it had spread throughout the land. That the gay joke Ed Koch and the NYT ignored it almost as long is no credit to RR.

    (2) He utterly failed to understand Islam. Consequently, he so no problem fleeing from Lebanon after several hundred marines were killed in a bombing.

    Of course, most of what he did was very good, and the same cannot be said for his successors.


  129. Buckeye Abroad
    130 | February 6, 2010 16:33

    #129 sk (skzion)

    (1) He refused to take action against AIDS — or even use the word — until it had spread throughout the land.

    What sopping drama. Care to see how the rest of the world identified AIDS in the 80′s before it swept across the land? Of note, once you exclude those who particpate in needle sharing amongst drug users and homosexuals with multiple partners, take a guess how many Americans die from AIDS? Unless you are of the latter, you should worry more about cancer or heart disease.

    (2) He utterly failed to understand Islam. Consequently, he so no problem fleeing from Lebanon after several hundred marines were killed in a bombing.

    The choice was to occupy Lebanon or leave. Considering Lebanon’s history and what occurred after, I doubt the American people, and especially you, would have the stomach for the price tag for the long haul.

    Shalom


  130. sk (skzion)
    131 | February 6, 2010 17:18

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    #129 sk (skzion)

    [sk] (1) He refused to take action against AIDS — or even use the word — until it had spread throughout the land.

    What sopping drama. Care to see how the rest of the world identified AIDS in the 80’s before it swept across the land? Of note, once you exclude those who particpate in needle sharing amongst drug users and homosexuals with multiple partners, take a guess how many Americans die from AIDS? Unless you are of the latter, you should worry more about cancer or heart disease.

    If I were “of the latter” I would have no need to worry at all, being dead from AIDS. However, as I am gay, I suppose I do take R’s utter failure to promote public health on this issue–a proper role for government even for us small-government types–personally. Fortunately (for me, not for you), I did not mess around until most of the information finally got out. The problem with R on this matter is that when the information did get out, he did nothing, and he failed to make sure that the CDC did its job early on. An effective leader knows what is going on in his own bureaucracy. There was lots of blame all around, don’t get me wrong. I realize, though, that you do not view a dead gay American as much of a loss, so long as the majority are not affected. As for cancer and heart disease, they have been funded all along–and they are not contagious. The cost to America of AIDS could have been radically reduced. The buck stopped with the executive.

    [sk] (2) He utterly failed to understand Islam. Consequently, he so no problem fleeing from Lebanon after several hundred marines were killed in a bombing.

    The choice was to occupy Lebanon or leave. Considering Lebanon’s history and what occurred after, I doubt the American people, and especially you, would have the stomach for the price tag for the long haul.

    “Especially me?” Do you mistake me for a progressive? There was a third option: taking the fight to the enemy, i.e. Iran, Iraq, and Arabia, the three main Islamic piggy banks. If the USSR & the states it controlled could be an Evil Empire, surely the Dar al-Harb could be as well. When Carter was president, there were a few sane voices talking of seizing the Saudi oil wells after the Saudis participating in an oil boycott followed by quadrupling, then doubling of the oil prices, all of which occurred when the oil fields were illegally nationalized. R clearly cowed Iran’s Khomeini (hence, our hostages at the embassy were released), but he did not undo in the House of Islam what Carter facilitated happening. This can be compared with how R did undo other Carter mistakes.

    BTW, I’ve been dealing with nasty homophobes on another web site (Schlussel’s), whom I tolerate only because I admire Debbie so much. I’m not in the mood to bend over here.


  131. Buckeye Abroad
    132 | February 6, 2010 18:48

    #131

    However, as I am gay, I suppose I do take R’s utter failure to promote public health on this issue–a proper role for government even for us small-government types–personally.

    A public servant annoucnenment from President Reagan would have made you aware of an illness that would have personally altered your
    behavior that, in effect, could have impacted your personal choices later? Hmmmm. Call me sceptical.

    The problem with R on this matter is that when the information did get out, he did nothing, and he failed to make sure that the CDC did its job early on. An effective leader knows what is going on in his own bureaucracy. There was lots of blame all around, don’t get me wrong.

    Yeah, with the soviets, inflation, economy, communist expansion etc… President Reagan didn’t focus on the issue the counted the most (according to your dick.. cough… cough). What an ogre.

    I realize, though, that you do not view a dead gay American as much of a loss, so long as the majority are not affected. As for cancer and heart disease, they have been funded all along–and they are not contagious.

    You do realize that contagious diseases are controllable through personal precautions? No? Gay and lazy. Bad combo.

    The cost to America of AIDS could have been radically reduced. The buck stopped with the executive.

    A contagious sexually transmitted disease through individual sexual intercourse is the fault of a head of state? I bet you blame your father for all your personal faults as well, but I am taking a shot in the dark.

    “Especially me?” Do you mistake me for a progressive?
    Yes

    If the USSR & the states it controlled could be an Evil Empire, surely the Dar al-Harb could be as well.

    Pick your battles with the resources you have available.

    BTW, I’ve been dealing with nasty homophobes on another web site (Schlussel’s), whom I tolerate only because I admire Debbie so much. I’m not in the mood to bend over here.

    Homophobe? No fear on this site. My advice– don’t bend over for anybody. You’re gay? So what.


  132. sk (skzion)
    133 | February 6, 2010 19:51

    Buckeye, do you know how intellectually lazy your reply is? Obviously not, or you would have written a different one. Let’s review.

    (1) A rational individual cannot decrease risky behavior if he does not know that it is risky or lacks the information necessary to assess risk. Do you understand this basic conservative point about rational decision making? Markets cannot even function without proper information, which is why basic microeconomic models begin with an assumption of “perfect information.” Before AIDS, gay sex, just like straight sex, was low-risk, and nothing a shot couldn’t cure. The CDC did not do what it was equipped and tasked to do, which is to identify epidemics before they even land in the US. Given the lack of information, it is idiotic to complain about how AIDS victims were necessarily at fault. The early stages of this epidemic were horribly botched by the CDC, and the disease spread well before people figured out what was happening.

    Thus, your discussion of AIDS is absurd, as my main point was, and has always been, the failure to act early by the executive, identifying the symptoms as a communicable disease, and then identifying how it spread. For example, if poppers cause what we now call AIDS, the solution is not to use poppers.

    (2) I said the blame went all around. Let me be specific. In San Francisco, there was great resistance to closing bathhouses, even though, by that time, there was evidence that they were related to the epidemic. However, negligence by one group does not negate negligence by another group.

    You suggest that I blame others and do not believe in personal responsibility. Ridiculous. It is you who refuse to hold governments responsible for malfeasance when the legacy of a popular president is at issue. You also depend on tired cliches. Talk about boring.

    (3) Regarding Islam, I have pointed out what Reagan could have done, rejecting your straw man claim that there were only two choices. You have nothing to say except that presidents should pick their battles and use the resources they have. O Profundity! Reagan did not properly identify the Islamic enemy, and he did not use any of the resources he had against it. Reagan was indeed negligent regarding Islam. That every president since Reagan has been negligent as well, even as information was increasingly available, does not change anything. He had more access to information than anyone in the world, but he did not ask the right questions. If you seriously suggest that Islamic jihad against the West was not a worthy battle, perhaps you are on the wrong blog.

    (4) Finally, it is tiresome to have to lecture you on Conservatism 101. My advice is that you think more carefully the next time.


  133. Buckeye Abroad
    134 | February 6, 2010 20:06

    #133 sk (skzion)

    I see. Thank you for the enlighting discourse.


  134. BBEV
    135 | February 7, 2010 07:33

    @ sk (skzion):
    I never thought of it that way.


  135. sk (skzion)
    136 | February 7, 2010 14:32

    @ BBEV:
    BBEV, just to repeat, I consider Reagan a great president–and we haven’t had his like since.


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