Let me be right up front and say that birtherism is idiotic and plays right into Obama’s hands. I also am not a huge WND fan. There are so many things we can get Obama on so that to chase our tails on a story that isn’t there is a waste of time and energy.
by John Hawkins
Joseph Farah from WorldNetDaily and Andrew Breitbart got into an argument at the Nashville Tea Party Convention about the birther issue. Not a shock there. But, something Joseph Farah said needs to be rebutted:
—————————— “I was talking to her,” said Breitbart. “She was asking me if I thought it was to bring it up, and I said, no. We have a lot of strong arguments to be making, and that is a primary argument. That is an argument for the primaries that did not take hold. The arguments that these people right here are making are substantive arguments. The elections in Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts were all won not on birther, but on substance. And to apply to this group of people the concept that they’re all obsessed with the birth certificate, when it’s not a winning issue”
“It is a winning issue!”
“It’s not a winning issue.”
I’m not going to go through the whole birther argument again. At this point, I’ll just say that Obama has released a valid Certificate of Live Birth given to him by the state of Hawaii and it lists his birth place as Honolulu. If that’s not enough to convince you he was born in the USA, nothing else I say is probably going to do it either.
But, what I do want to get into is the idea that birtherism is a “winning issue.”
You know what? It may be a winning traffic issue for WorldnetDaily, but the idea that it’s a winning political issue is ridiculous.
Whatever you believe on the birther issue: here’s the reality of it: There’s a small, hardcore element on the right that buys into the idea that Barack Obama wasn’t born in the US and really cares about the issue.
—————————— Maybe that’s because the people beating this drum the hardest like Jerome Corsi and Joseph Farah, spent years telling Americans that George Bush was going to merge the United States with Canada and Mexico to form a North American Union with an Amero currency. All of us remember when that happened, don’t we? Oh wait, that was one of the dumbest conspiracy theories I’ve ever heard.
Long story short: birtherism has no place at conservative events or political campaigns and Republican politicians would be very wise to steer clear of it as much as possible.
Read the rest: Birtherism Is A Winning Political Issue? Gimmie A Break!
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Birterism is a losing issue & should be abandoned.
Ironically it started on the Left with disgruntled Hillary supporters.
The group ‘Party Unity My Ass” PUMA, even had it on their website.
Obama is a treasure trove of things to criticise & this is just counter-productive.
OT
But something to keep an eye on.
Google
“Church burnings in East Texas.”
9 so far
2 last night
no one caught yet
ATF, FBI, Texas Rangers, Texas DPS, Local
Some Churches have 24/7 watches now.
from Tyler/Longview area back to Wills Point all of them seem to me to be along I-30 and east of Dallas.
Not good this.
Rumor has that I was indeed birthed sometime in the past!!!
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If anybody cares, Thing One & Thing Two aka Weasel & Jimmah are on duty over at the Swamp.
Do those two buffoons do a trans-Atlantic synchroinization?
@ RIX:
CRICKETS????
(sorry, had to)
How ya doin? We are gonna get lots of snow here today.
Enough!
Lets get these misbegotten corruptocrats out of our lives with indisputable facts.There are plenty to fuel a well run campaign.
@ RIX:
Living in PA near Philly and we are supposed to get a foot maybe 2 feet out of this one. And we already got over 2 feet this past weekend. Gonna have to work from home tomorrow…
SciFiGuy wrote:
That’s a lie. The rumour I heard was that you were hatched.
/of course others believe that you were spawned.
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@ MikeA:
the white death has returned
Smart, working at home. I used to live in Landsdale, outside of Philly.
I did enjoy the food & going to the Shore.
@ RIX:
Then you probably remember Mack and Manco Pizza at OC, NJ…
Supposed to be white out conditions overnight and into the morning. At work today but tomorrow… definitely will be sitting in sweats on the laptop…
PaladinPhil wrote:
All of which are False….
Two Words
Petri Dish!!
This is a losing topic for people to nail the 0-man with. He has more skeltons in his closet than a Dahmer. Go after those. Some liberals will never give up on him. Those people could learn that he diddles little kids and would still support him. The rest of the people (the sane ones) are starting to see through the facade. Its cracking and showing what we all knew. A man out of his depth who thinks the govt is the solution to ALL your problems.
@ RIX:
Doin Pretty good this morning. Have the dreaded weekly meeting with the head of R&D today. Hopefully, it will be over with before 10. We’re talking Nano today!!!
@ MikeA:
Then you probably remember Mack and Manco Pizza at OC, NJ…
No, I was only there for a year on temporary assignment.
Coming back from the Shore one Sunday, I decided to pick up
a bottle of wine for dinner.
I didn’t want to go to a state store in Philly , So I pulled into a liquor store lot in Camden.
Whoa Baby!Bad idea, I made everybody get their heads down & I just drove right out of the lot.
@ RIX:
Camden… I wouldn’t go there unless I had a squad of Marines. And on-call air support…
Have lots of coffee. When we do our nmanagement meetins, eyes roll back.
@ RIX:
Already started drinking the java. Cup #2 is being stirred right now. THere’s a reason that they remove all sharp objects from meeting rooms.
Very wise. I had heard about Camden, but experiencing the place is a whole nother thing. To make it worse, I had my family in the car.
If I had gotten a flat, I would have just rode the rim.
The thing to do is ask “Does anybody have any news about the Yeti that escaped from the Zoo this morning?” You know, change the subject.
Russia, which is set to hold a monopoly on flights to the international space station (ISS), wants to charge more for rides on its Soyuz rocket, the space agency head said Tuesday.
“At a meeting of the space agency chiefs in Tokyo, I want to discuss the maintenance of transport to the station,” Roskomos head Anatoly Perminov was quoted by the Interfax news agency as saying.
“We have an agreement until 2012 that Russia will be responsible for this. But after that? Excuse me but the prices should be absolutely different then!”
When NASA retires its long-serving shuttle fleet as planned later this year, the United States and other countries will be wholly dependent on Russia to fly the station’s six-man crew to and from orbit.
So Russia is gonna try and rape us for space rides. Gee who could have ever seen that coming? Way to go Bamie in cancelling the old space program. Third class nation here we come.
@ RIX:
Worse is West Philly. Made a wrong turn there with a friend driving. Told him to just keep going. Looked like pictures of Beirut. Lots of guys hanging on street corners and such. It was during the day but not a nice place.
Egypt soccer boss: I’d rather starve than coach Israelis
Ain’t peace grand?
@ Nevergiveup:
So… Indulge his wishes… Let him starve….
Yup , you can really get yourself into a mess in Philly.
The Sure Kill expressway is fun though.
MikeA wrote:
West Philly (and North Philly too) is major league scary.
RIX wrote:
Was doing field Service back around ’03. Me and a friend, Ralph, found ourselves driving thru Downtown Detroit after 6 pm on a Friday. Needless to say, we stopped for no lights or stop signs…
@ RIX:
My sis-in-law was a teacher in West Philly for 10 years. Quit cause she felt she was doing nothing. She taught 3-4 grade. She showed me a note one of the girls was passing to a boy. You would thought penthouse letters but written in 3rd grade grammer. Parents that could not care less about their kids and that was if you knew who the parents were. Lots of kids raised by grandparents. Crazy and sad…
@ Nevergiveup:
Give him his druthers. Let the son of a bitch starve.
@ SciFiGuy:
Lovely culture they’ve got there, isn’t it? But if you say anything about it you are a raaaaacist (five “a”s). Much better that they continue in the poverty, hopelessnes, crime, and the rest that goes with it. It’s a hard life out there for a pimp, right?
love the pic at cm ….the house that chuck built ready to go over the cliff.
///why do people build on cliffs and hill sides?
RIX wrote:
Rahway, Eliaabeth, and Linden are pretty bad too!
Blacks..doing to each other what the KKK could only have dreamed of! Martha Sanger had it pegged
back on topic – has anyone actually met a birther? I met one and I got to tell you they are frightening in their fanaticism and stupidity.
@ mawskrat:
Margaret Sanger… and she had a “permanent” solution in mind. Leave it to the Germans to make it more efficient.
@ Speranza:
Sounds like a Democrat…
Apparently Murtha’s “Botched” surgery was done a Bethesda Naval? Lets see his family try taking legal action against them????????
Chutspah Award goes to Democrats:
Lemme get this straight: the party of John Murtha, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Dick Durbin (D-al Qaeda) is arguing that criticizing the Obama Administration for Mirandizing a terrorist (so he could excercize his “right” to remain silent and protect all the other good Jihadis in his al Qaeda cell) is helping the terrorists! Wow. IIRC, one of the President’s “men” also questioned John McCain’s patriotism last week.
This is what comes of being civil with the Democrats. If the Republicans would have stood up on their hind legs and actually gone after the domestic enemy (or disloyal opposition if you prefer), they might very well hold the House, Senate, and even Presidency today. I hope some Republican stratigist is paying attention.
In an oped in USA Today, John Brennan — Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism — responds to critics of the Obama administration’s counterterrorism policies by saying “Politically motivated criticism and unfounded fear-mongering only serve the goals of al-Qaeda.”
After what Obama and his commie friend’s did to President Bush for 8 years these scum bags have some nerve
@ Iron Fist:
Ya beat me by 2 minutes
@ Nevergiveup:
@ Nevergiveup:
Government healthcare too.
vagabond trader wrote:
Well I don’t want to cast any accusations just yet. Just because Murtha’s supporters say it was botched. After all these were probably Navy Dr. So I will give them the benefit of Doubt.
@ Speranza:
I’ve met a couple. One guy was level headed then he started to veer off into birther territory. I politely shut him down.Don’t think he was a true believer.
@ Speranza:
IS there a difference between a birther and someone who isn’t convinced he’s hiding something? I don’t consider myself a loon and another friend of mine is not a loon either and neither of us believe for a minute his citizenship status is 100% American. Nothing will ever convince me he isn’t hiding most of his past to be what he claims. I don’t consider myself a birther and I don’t consider my friend a birther either. That document he has provided is not an official birth certificate. I have 2 documents for myself. That live birth thing and a birth certificate.
MikeA wrote:
A former Democrat. You know what? A fanatic is a fanatic.
@ Speranza:
Almost as bad as troofers and Kennedy assassination theorists.
@ teacake:
Oh I think he is hiding a lot of shite like his mediocre record as a student and his political associations (Rashid Khalidi for one) but there is no doubt in my mind he is an American citizen.
PaladinPhil wrote:
Quite concur. They are all are loons. I have no use for any of them.
@ Nevergiveup:
Hey,just throwing the irony back in the Ds face, with Big G care being so desirable.That being said,we know surgery or any other medical procedure is not 100% guaranteed no matter where you have it done and no matter what your status in life is.
@ Speranza:
Forgot to add, I know this one guy who believes in every conspiracy there is, including the birth certificate issue. Now, he is a loon. He believes in federal concentration camps that FEMA is building, he has hundreds of weapons for just in case, he is convinced about chem trails, you name it, that list goes on. Yet, what makes him a loon and not other’s who collect weapons just in case?
Murtha still dead
Other loosing 0 issues; any ties to commies/socialists , being a mooselimb and violating other provisions of the Constitution since ya can’t prove it 0 won’t admit it.
vagabond trader wrote:
Obama is loving it and it plays into s’selrahC narrative. I am glad the tea party movement is going to denounce them.
Nevergiveup wrote:
in Ohio if you get operated on by a doctor at a state teaching hospital and it’s botched you have no legal recourse and have to sue the state. there is a 250 thousand dollar award limit I believe.
they are even exempt in their private practice, docs are lined up to
get an university connection for thier practice
OK, going out on a limb here.I believe he was born here, just wondering if the BC says something like Caucasian under race.
vagabond trader wrote:
I’m with ya
@ teacake:
The birtherism thing is a dead end. Even if you were to conclusively prove he was born in Kenya (for example), it isn’t going to change anything. The Supreme Court isn’t going to remove the first black President on a technicality that should have been hashed out long before he was elected. It accomplishes nothing except maybe to slightly tarnish the One’s image. He is doing a bang-up job of doing that without our help.
I think there is a lot the man is hiding. Republicans have to release records on everything from their health to their education to the length and thickness of their pubic hair when they run for President (OK I made that last one up). Democrats don’t release squat. For all we have from his records, Barry could have been born Bernadette. We should loudly demand all of his records. It is only fair (and I have a post about fairness coming up
).
@ teacake:
If you read the article (the one I posted for this thread Farah believed that Bush was going to merge USA, Canad and Mexico into one federal union sort of like the EU and have a single currency the Amero.
Speranza wrote:
Just because someone doubts he is 100% no questions asked citizen, doesn’t make one a fanatic.
Like I said, a lot of you have a stock pile of guns and aren’t fanatic, and my friend has a stock pile of guns for the same reasons, yet he is a fanatic. See what I mean?
@ Speranza:
Yeah, wouldn’t surprise me if his people plant dissention, being the agitators they are.
teacake wrote:
The birthers I’ve met – they are fanatics (trust me on that one). I agree with Huckabee, if Obama was not a citizen, the Clinton’s would have found that out.
Diveby o/t I don’t know if any of you saw Pamela on Joy Behar last night. First time I have watched that show and be the last anyhow,Pamela was awesome and got Little boy Ron Reagan’s bloomers in a wad. Anyhow in the comments section, I had to write and here’s what I wrote:
February 9th, 2010 10:22 am ET
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jackie: reference to that woman that loves Sarah Palin. If she is on your show again I will turn it off. Even you told her that she did not shut up. Why is it that Sarah P brings the crazies out of the wood work?
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A lot of truth in what you said. That part about Sarah bringing all the crazies out of the woodwork…AND HERE YOU ARE!
Nothing new here. Someone supports Sarah in a decent calm way. They get screamed at, called stupid and become more hysterical and high pitched as they go. Ron Reagan for one. What a hapless loser that one is. And yeah, Ronald would be ashamed of him.
Most of the left fringe liberals hate Sarah because she is a threat and you can be sure of it. She has a huge following and it is getting more solid every day reinforced by the hate being spewed at her.
Then there are the ones who hate women and can freely vent that better and bigger because they have the cover of the political cowards. Kind of like a pervert hiding in a mosque. Who would notice?
Keep going hysterical cowards. Your hysteria brought us a President who is not qualified. Who had to appoint dozens of Czars and thats just to do maint. on his teleprompt.
@ Grimcargo:
I posted last night on that show. I saw it and Ron Reagan Jr is the most obnoxious girlie man I ever saw. He makes pony tail guy seem macho.
The issue for me isn’t that its a way to remove him from office but that if the “machine” wants their man at the helm, there’s a way to do it, legal or not. Personally, I think he was born in Indonesia. Also, it seems to me that to be president both your parents have to be American citizens, which is a fact that both his fathers were not.
As for those guys, doesn’t make them totally loons. This government is so sneaky and so powerful, why should anyone trust the gov to be on the side of the American people, when there is so much out there to prove otherwise?
What is the difference between a loon and someone who just does not trust the government?
@ Iron Fist:
Nah – this is the best thing that could have happened. Woke everybody’s ass up. The GOP was on the same socialist train – just at a slower pace. Without oba-MAO there would have been no Tea Parties to force the GOP back into conservatism.
@ mawskrat:
There should be limits on most procedures, unless there is gross negligence involved, like sawing off the wrong leg.Nothing is guaranteed, especially in medicine where so many variables exist.If a doc has a history of bad outcomes, get rid of him/her.
@ teacake:
That is simply not the case under existing US law. There is some debate on what “Natural Born” means (even being born in a foreign country may not really matter), but as long as one of his parents is a citizen, he is a citizen.
@ teacake:
I don’t trust the government because I think the government is incompetent, but I am not a loon. I can recognize a loon when I see one. They’ve a hard edged fanaticism to them. However if you doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii we can just agree to disagree.
We have a Highway of Death in Chicago, the Dan Ryan Expressway!
A local author John Powers wrote a book that included the Ryan.
As youth, the bravest guy he knew was able to drfive the Ryan with one hand.
It is a two hands on the wheel, white knuckler
@ vapig:
Lets hope they don’t cave when President Wonderful bedazzles them with his hellcare “bipartisanship.” What a crock that is!!
@ vagabond trader:
Morning VT. His Indonesian school record shows he is muslim, yet why does everyone agree to that not being true? What concerns me is how much is hidden, why people like the Clintons really can’t do anything about revealing his past…. that this government has a lot of things going on that we little people don’t have a clue about, and there is no reason at all to trust this government. That’s my problem. I don’t trust the gov. They bend the rules. Heck, Rangle and Frank should be in prison and others should be fined heavily for tax evasion, but they get to run the nation.
teacake wrote:
I don’t believe he’s a Yank either, Teacake. I don’t buy for a minute that just because your born here that automatically makes you American.
His mother was 17 and not old enough to convey her citizenship to him and his father was a Kenyen – a subject of the Crown of England. Dude is a Brit by birth.
Plus he held an Indonesian passport – which is why I think he was able to get the scholarships at Columbia and Harvard. You know – diversity and all…..
@ Speranza:
Gah, Elizabeth! Do you still have to roll up the windows going through there? Ooooo that smell!
We have “Suicide 6″ here in my neck of the woods.It was a big route for troops during the Revolution.
RIX wrote:
Every urban area has a highway of death. When I lived in Brooklyn ages ago the Interborough Parkway (now named the Jackie Robinson Parkway) was that. The Highway curved and swerved and went through the worst god forsaken neighborhoods – East New York, Brownsville, Bedford-Stuyvesant – you did not want to have a brakedown in those areas. Reminded me of the photos of Berlin in 1945.
my only beef is every time i register my children for school i BY LAW, I HAVE TO bring in a copy of their birth certificates………..even if it is a school in the same school district……..this is for school…..he’s the president……every president should produce their birth certificate period……they have to be born in the US to be president so HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO produce the certificate……this wouldn’t even be an issue if his kenyan grandma hadn’t said she witnessed his birth in KENYA, and if his sister hadn’t claimed that they were both born in the hospital that he now claims he wasn’t born in…….so really……i have no beef with birther’s they are going off what the president and his own family fed them
Anyhow, the Clintons could have also shown without a doubt how unqualified this little commie is and didn’t. LOL That someone with his background, his affiliates, his total lack of experience has made it to the top, is frightening.
vagabond trader wrote:
Sometimes when I would take NJ transit to Matawan and we would go through Elizabeth, Linden, Rahway – I would get that sickly feeling in my stomache.
@ teacake:
Too close to home teacake. The Clintons are fellow travellers as well.
@ phoenixgirl:
I forget who posted a link the other day about a teacher who was asking the class some questions about how the government works… all I recall about that article was that somehow it was up to Pelosi to verify credentials – is that part true or not?
@ phoenixgirl:
When I renewed my driver’s license I had to supply a copy of my “official” birth certificate. A copy of an abbreviated certificate was not sufficient. So I had to go downtown and get one. It was a real pain in the ass. Took me almost all day to do something I had expected to take 15 minutes. Yeah, if I have to present that kind of documentation for a DL, you’d theink there’d be some documentation requirement when you apply to run for President, but there doesn’t appear to be.
@ Iron Fist:
You should have said you were illegal… Then you would have gotten one in about 5 minutes.
@ teacake:
i don’t know, i think that the party chairman is supposed to do that before they toss their hat into the ring….that would be howard dean……
@ MikeA:
You’re right. But I don’t look Mexican…
+1
@ phoenixgirl:
You are right, in order to get a nursing job I had to produce my BC SS card,background check,take a drug test and of course produce my state license.What is required for the potus seems pretty meager.I would like to see the college transcripts of this prodigy.
@ Iron Fist:
My take on the entire birther issue is this: as an issue on which to base any type of campaign, it absolutely is NOT a winning issue. I agree with teacake, this man is definitely hiding something. The fact that so many records are sealed and unobtainable says more to me than anything else. Also, the logistical and citizen pretzel that people are twisting to establish Obama’s lack of citizenship indeed end up sounding more and more bizarre with each new permutation. He wasn’t born in the U.S.; if he WAS born in the U.S., it doesn’t matter because his father was a Kenyan and he had dual British citizenship which negates his American citizenship; if his dual citizenship doesn’t negate his American citizenship, it doesn’t matter because his mother didn’t fulfill the criteria for conferring citizenship on her son. And so on.
Now, that being said, I’ve worked too long for lawyers to overlook this simple fact: When someone says you have technically commited act “A” and you have a document that is either in your possession that says “B”, you produce THAT document. I find it very disturbing that the Boy King has spent a great deal of money keeping a document hidden whose production would eliminate all doubt. And no, I don’t for a moment believe that the COLB that was “fact checked” qualifies as a long-form birth certificate, despite the insistence that it is just as good. There are a few too many irregularities in the proferred document, the least of which for me is the father’s race is stated as “African.” There is no such race classification. He would have been listed as Negro in 1961. The document is just funny enough to give me pause.
Obama is a dishonest, lying scoundrel, and I would absolutely put nothing past him in his quest to “transform” the United States. He is always, as one pundit put it, “the least experienced man in the room.” I know the “birthers” are passionate in their beliefs, and while it’s true that the vault copy would put the issue to rest, the real trouble is it gives the left wing something to trot out every time the right makes headway – “so, you think they have all the answers on taxes and health care? Look what else they believe!!!!” The pundits are right – they will joke about the birth certificate issues because in many ways it’s kind of a minor pointy stick to prod Obama and make fun of him.
But as a real issue? No, we need to let it go. Even if we somehow in some secret corner of our hearts we believe there might be some truth to it….let it go.
@ Iron Fist
just say you are from Argentina. Works..
Also, why can’t we get the Venezulan Miss World runner-ups to come here… We should give them asylum.. at my home.
@ Carolina Girl:
Why so verbose… A Piece of Shit about sums it up nicely!!
@ phoenixgirl:
Well, like VT said, they are pretty much all fellow travelers and that is why I have many doubts about obama and the rest of the dem party. I don’t consider myself a loon. There is just too much going on in DC to trust them for anything. Way too many of them belong in prison. LOL
@ MikeA:
they don’t need licenses…..i got a ticket in sept and went to court to fight it….only i wasn’t aware that scheduled date was just for arraignment……i was one of 25 people sitting in the benches…..5 of us spoke english, the rest needed a spanish interpreter who kept going on breaks…….long story short…..they were all in there for driving without a license and driving without insurance…….worst of all each of the criminals opened up their wallets fishing through them as if they DID HAVE PROPER DOCUMENTATION BUT JUST FORGOT IT AT HOME!…….i opted for traffic school…i couldn’t sit there and bite my tongue a second day……
The 0-man is definitely hiding things. He won’t release transcipts of his schooling, he did nothing at Harvard.. Heck, they even tried to hide Michelle’s thesis so that no could see what a loon she is. People saw in him what they wanted to see since he was such a blank slate. Problem is he is not a blank slate. He beleives in govt control of everything and everyone cause we are too stupid to understand. Basic progressive ideals.
@ Carolina Girl:
I agree that there is nothing to be done about it. Doesn’t mean I accept that he is fair and square American in the way necessary for the POTUS. What concerns me is in the future…. the door was opened now that it really doesn’t matter anymore. What if a saudi guy ends up with a lot of secrets, pretending to be American, not muslim, etc. Just a far fetched example. But, it still concerns me for the future, that rules will be bent since it has been with this guy.
For now on, at least for the next 2 or 3 presidential elections, it is really really important to vote R. LOLOL
vagabond trader wrote:
{{VT}} Absolutely! They should stick to their guns when they say to scrap the existing plan and start from scratch!
Expecting more snow today? I am home – yet again – for another snow day. I’m getting ready to head across the street as I see they little ole lady has her store open today. I’m wondering if I’ll get into work at all this week!
Hi Teacake. I usually don’t wade into the Birther stuff, but his Kenyan father had not deserted the Family until Brack Jr was two years old.
His mother had not yet Lolo Soreto who would become his Indonesian step-father.
@ teacake:
See my #56. This I would not put past him. Maybe typical white granny pulled some strings to put her grandson on the “right” side of the racial blanket.It was 1961.”Caucasian” would not do for street cred today, so near and dear to Hussein.
Obama is hiding the fact that Frank Marshall Davis is his real dada. That’s what this is all about.
Okay, so the difference between a birther and someone who isn’t convinced is that of dropping the matter?
Carolina Girl wrote:
Excellent post. The problem is, when people don’t know something and are not shown, their imagination runs wild. I believe Obama is hiding things much more damming than a bc. One thing about this bc matter always sticks in my mind and that is, what his Kenyan Grandmother said before they shut her up…’I was there at the hospital when Obama was born’ Being that they were so poor. How could anyone believe she hopped a plane to Hawaii.
vagabond trader wrote:
He mentioned it himself at the National Day of Prayer reading that he did last week. He also mentioned people who not only question his citizenship but also his faith. Zero would love that we toss those subjects around all day and ignore his attempts to gut this country any way he can.
@ vapig:
We’ll be getting our just due tonite!
Vehicles will be snug in the garage so our guy can plow.
Iron makes some good points. Also, the problem with Obama’s bona fides (or lack thereof) are not just limited to the birth certificate…indeed that may be the weakest link in that argument chain. What about his school records? He refuses to release his grades from high school at Punahou, and his college records from Occidental, Columbia and Harvard. We don’t know who funded his college education, (did he fake foreign status to get foreign student aid?) and what countries passport did he use to travel to Pakistan in the early 1980′s, when that was forbidden to Americans by the State Department?
@ RIX:
LOL. Okay. Anyhow, I believe that a president should not be allowed to hide so much of their past history. He could never get a regular job with all he hides.
Yup downtown Detroit has a beautiful facility the Rennisance Center.
Lots of busineseses & restaurants with structured parking.
It is comnmon knowledge that when you leave the garage , that you floor it & stop for nothing until you reach the Lodge Expressway.
vagabond trader wrote:
Plus, people keep talking about this Clinton machine. What use is their machine if it runs into a – say – Soros machine?
@ chickadee:
Agreed, we have plenty to use against the thieves, just need a good salesperson.
@ teacake:
I’d say Obama is unique in this aspect. A segment of the American people wanted to vote for a “black” man so badly that they forgot to look and see if he was a qualified “black” man. I’d be willing to let Obama slide on the birth certificate thing myself. It is his other lack of qualifications, competance, and correct political direction that I object to.
@ Rodan:
He’s not hiding the fact that he’s illigitimate, though. We all know he is a bastard…
vagabond trader wrote:
You know what another thing about that is that bugs me? No former classmates coming forward. No one seems to remember this guy – and he was president of the Harvard review? Come one!!!
@ SciFiGuy:
Verbosity is one of the rather sad side effects of working for lawyers and/or being an amateur thespian – why use 7 words when 1,000 will do.
The Birth Certificate is not a winning issue. I say let’s hammer him on his Progressive ideas!
Iron Fist wrote:
Exactly. But not being convinced about the citizenship doesn’t make someone a loon. I guess I want to understand at what makes one a birther? That they won’t drop the topic regardless what they believe is hidden?
I do think that it has been a blessing in a way because we now have come to see how deceitful the D party is in a way that was only opinion before.
@ Carolina Girl:
You’re a thespian? I thought you had a boyfriend…
@ Iron Fist:
:LOL: :LOL:
@ Nevergiveup:
When you hold a monopoly on a product or service, you can pretty much set the price. Russia now has a monopoly on manned space flight. They are just being good capitalists! How’s that for irony?
I don’t like the fact that President Wee Wee has pissed all over the legacy of JFK’s moon program, but I don’t blame the Russians for taking advantage of their market position.
Carolina Girl wrote:
and you get paid by the hour so it does not give you incentives for being succinct.
@ Iron Fist:
Thats what always gets me on him. His mom was white. What is the percentage to be considered a “black” man? Everyone jumps on the first african-american president. um.. shouldn’t it be bi-racial since he’s only 50% african….
Rodan wrote:
Quite concur (channeling Dark_Falcon).
@ Rodan:
Precisely!
@ vapig:
That’s why I’ve often kidded that he is really an android. lol No classmates, no ex girfriends, no neighbors… ZERO like a true zero.
RIX wrote:
Driving through the South Bronx in the 1970′s was a real trip!
@ MikeA:
Liberals go for the “one drop” rule, just like the Klan and White Nationalists. Notice that there’s a WN connection that a certain husky, bearish, ponytailed blogger doesn’t object to. Does that make Charles a White Nationalist? By his six-degrees of separation logic that he uses for everyone else I believe that it does!
@ Speranza:
Man, we got so lost in Philly the weekend we were married.Took us hours to find our way outta that place. Walked right by Independence Hall and said, hey that looks familiar. I know, don’t ask!
@ MikeA:
All bi-racial(black/white) people I know consider themselves black.
OT: Damn! I just heard radio guy say that a poll in England said the 3/4 of the population would immigrate if they could because of the prog policies. 80% believe society is broken.
I would like to know what happened when he visited Pakistan & other places with his roommate from Columbia U.
Where did he go, who did he see, where did the cash come from?
I am just curious.
@ vapig:
From what I hear of Britain, the 80% are correct. I wouldn’t immigrate to Britain for a million pounds a year…
@ vapig:
What a shame. England was such a lovely place to visit before the madness took hold.I wonder if Ireland is in the same pickle. Probably not given that they weren’t colonialists with a large foreign population of citizens.
RIX wrote:
Remember.He went bird hunting
vapig wrote:
I know a gal from the UK who in most ways is on the left, but she has recently started to question what is going on and even told me she feared I was right about obama too.
muslims have infiltrated Wales too. She said the way the females in the burkas stare you down in the street is very intimidating.
@ Iron Fist:
Well Progressives come from the same root as White Nationalists. Both are Socialists and believe in the concept of inferior races.
In the Latin Countries, the one drop rule doesn’t exist. It’s what you look like. The one drop rule is racist and stupid.
@ teacake:
Wales, omg, what a pity. Another lovely place and quite unique with its own language and history.
@ teacake:
There will be a backlash in the UK and the Muzzies will be taught a very bloody lesson. The US will turn on the UK to please our Saudi masters.
@ Rodan:
I absolutely have no trouble believing that there is some entry on the vault copy that he DOESN’T want people to see. Initially, I thought it would be that it stated his parents weren’t legally married. But it didn’t matter to me – I already thought Obama was a bastard.
Grimcargo wrote:
I don’t know about that. I believe he was born in Hawaii – there is a birth announcement in the paper during that time period. I just buy that being born here makes you a citizen. Mother was 17 and daddy was not an American – regardless of what the laws currently on the books say. I also don’t buy that illegals who come across the border to drop their babies are citizens either.
I wonder if Zero ever passed the Illinois Bar exam. Or did he need to since all he did was community agitation. Sas flunked it the first time she took it. You know, if Zero had grades that reflected his great intelligence he would have splashed that info across the world a long time ago. I think his puppet handlers have hidden everything. I think we will see what is on his blank slate eventually though. His background will come out and I think we will be shocked.
vagabond trader wrote:
We’ve been effectively shut down. You know, if an enemy wanted to paralyze our government they wouldn’t need to bomb us. Just dump a bunch of snow on us!
@ vagabond trader:
Aside from the invasion of muslims thoughout Europe, she told me the cost of living all over is out of control. That many countries like Spain and Portugal and others have demolished old villages to rebuild ugly expensive hotels for tourists. She laughed because why would anyone want to visit those places now since it was the historic reasons for visiting.
@ Rodan:
I hate to admit but I think you are correct. They will be a tipping point in Europe where they will either remove the muslim problem or it will remove the western one. Only one way of thinking, culture and laws can exist since the two are so imcompatable. My fear is that the muslims will win in Europe because they have a stronger attachment to their culture than the Europeans do.
@ Carolina Girl:
There is something fishy but I think it’s more of an embarrasement than something illegal.
The Osprey wrote:
That’s easy – the Indonesian one.
teacake wrote:
Yet the Brits are exteremely hostile towards Israel – cognitive dissonance?
The Osprey wrote:
Hey I don’t blame the Ruskie’s either. Good for them and bad on us for being in this position
Speranza @ 120:
The cross Bronx expressway (US-95) was a trip, always played a game and see how many burned or stripped cars was laying by the side of the road.
Had to take a detour once around 95, and drove under a few overpasses, guys there stripping cars like they were in a a used car lot, not acare in the world.
Well my ueber liberal Aunt is coming in with a tooth ache and I can’t even charge her. What a day. What a day.
chickadee wrote:
Or if he even took it. He by passes so many other rules, wouldn’t be surprised if he has no credentials at all.
@ vapig:
That’s one Constitutional provision that I’d like to see changed. I’ve heard the arguments pro and con on it, but I still lean toward modification. Also, people forget that right before Hong Kong was turned over to the Chi-Coms, pregnant women flew to the United States to give birth to their babies so that they would have U.S. citizenship. While I can sympathize with their reasoning for doing so, I’m sorry, this is simply wrong. Think of the uses China could make of an indoctrinated Commie zombie with American citizen that they could use. It’d be the Manchurian Candidate times a thousand.
Oh man, now I’m doing what I accuse the birthers of – formulating a citizen pretzel.
vagabond trader wrote:
Central Philly is great. West Philly and North Philly uh not great.
teacake wrote:
He’s never had a regular job and why he’s such a crappy manager of this country. Neither has any of his cabinate or czars.
If nothing else this should put to rest the idea that f@cking intellectuals can manage anything. From now on we should demand people lead us who have actually had a real job. Have actually managed a business or company.
@ Nevergiveup:
Hey Nevergiveup, I have a question. What do you know about dental tourism? I need a couple of teeth in the back but its just too expensive here, even at the dental school! Where would you suggest to go that one can get some crowns and bridges for under a grand?
Rodan wrote:
I hope the Brits are inspired by our Tea Party Movement. How ironic but maybe they can somehow take pride in their country. I keep thinking that there are British people coming together in pubs and barns and churches, talking abt. the muzz toxin in their country. I hope they are mobilizing, preparing to fight back.
@ Carolina Girl:
WHenever I see anyone use the word thespian, I immediatley think of the John Lithgow and John Lovitz Saturday Night Live Sketch, Master THespian. Cracks me up every time!!!!
@ MikeA:
Nah, I think the Europeans will slaughter them eventually. They are outnumbered and Europe does have a history of violence. My biggest fear is that when Euro Muzzies are on the run, America to please our Saudi overlords, will grant them asylum here.
I can tell you this much, they will be taught a lesson in Countries like Serbia, Spain, Italy, the Flemish part of Belgium and UK. Germany and France, they might take those 2.
Beltfed wrote:
although it was a bad film, Bonfire of the Vanities gave a good idea of what South Bronx was in the 1970′s.
I guess that the rule of thumb is to use good judgement in any big city.
@ chickadee:
Well Lech Welensea was inspired and came here. SO maybe the Tea Party model can be exported. the problem in Europe is that anyone who challenges Islam is called a Fascist. Even the so called Conservatives over there suppress the peopel’s rage.
Look at Italy, they had enough of their Muzzies and they cracked their heads open and beat the crap out of them recently. It’s going to happen and I hope America stays out of it.
@ vapig:
LOL!
vagabond trader wrote:
The tragic King Edward II, the first Prince of Wales.
Rodan wrote:
True – that’s all we need to point out. While I have questions about his past (I don’t think of myself as a birther – rather a documentist. Show me the documents!) all we need to do is point out his policies. Also just use his own words against him. He’s so arrogant he lets his true intent slip out all the time.
@ Rodan:
Really? I didn’t hear about that. I really doubt US citizens would allow them to come here for protection when in fact they should be deported back to their home. They have 57 nations to call home.
Rodan wrote:
When Europe cracks down on their muzz jihadis, I’ll dance in the street. fck em
I see dear leader is now at -13 at Rasmussen, up 4 points from yesterday. His disapproves went down from 56% to 53%, but his strongly approve didn’t move.
Since Ras is a 3-day rolling, I’m not going to read much into it. He’s still in double digit negatives, despite supposedly lowered unemployment and the GDP growth news from 10 days ago. He can’t sustain.
Also, wait’ll all those people who got Cash for Clunkers find out they have to declare that money on their income tax. No a bunch of happy campers – especially since they’ve all now been living with 6 months worth of car payments….
@ teacake:
US Citizens are one thing, but both Parties are beholden to Saudi interest. We need to purge the GOP of Saudi agents.
@ Speranza:
Fascinating guy,couldn’t live up to his uber macho warrior Dad Edward I. You know how the PoW title originated? The Welsh were at war with the English, demanded that Edward I give them their own prince who did not speak English. Hence the infant Edward became first Prince of Wales.
@ chickadee:
The Serbs were and we bombed them. The US only fights for Muslim interest. Name a place where US troops foght againt Islamic interest?
I can’t think of any.
Rodan wrote:
YES! And I do think that is possible. There are so many voices out there to make this happen. Aside from the radio people, there are people like Palin, Bachman, and so many others whose names escape me at the moment.
Guess we shall see what fucking Iran has up their sleeve on the 11th. Hope its good enough to take real action.
vagabond trader wrote:
Actually, my mom visited a fews years back and said that since they joined the EU they’ve been importing muzzies. It seems to be part of the EU charter that you’re required to import muzzies in order to join. Bizarre!
OT:
Morning Israel Breakdown:
Israeli MK Zevulun Orlev: “Jordan Is Palestine”
Avigdor Lieberman: ‘Land for Peace’ is Dead
Would-Be Arab/Muslim Stabber Arrested; Wanted to Stab Jews
Gazans Fire Rocket at Israel
…and in the Islamic Republic of Irvine, California the Muslims continue to intimidate, attack, and show complete disregard for liberty, and the basic concept of free speech. (and of course, in the end we let them get away with it)
@ teacake:
Probably a mass hanging of dissidents,topped off with a few stonings of rape victims and adultresses.
@ WrathofG-d:
Ignoramuses, not fit to shine Orens shoes.
teacake wrote:
LOL! They didn’t run into my friend then! She’s married to a Brit and went to visit the inlaws recently. She said the muzzies are everywhere and said the same thing about the sack-clad women. She said she was on a bus and they were staring her down and she got right in their faces and asked in a very loud voice what their problem was. She those so-called demure eyes narrowed to a glaring slit real fast – but they backed off.
Rodan wrote:
Not likely – they began by disarming their citizens. What will they fight with? Perfect reason why we should fight to the death to keep our guns!
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He started his career as an outside agitater for an ACORN affiliate in Chicago. He then somehow winds up mat Harvard Law.
After that he just grifted around in the corrupt Chicago Machine, peddaling influence to the likes of Tony Rezko.
@ vapig:
LOL!
I saw an article yesterday that a bus driver in London stopped the bus to pray in the middle of the isle. The passengers sat there confused and did nothing. That article is at atlas.
@ vapig:
vats of boiling gruel.
@ teacake:
They’ll have to take up the sword again, unless those are also illegal. Lots of stabbings in the UK.
@ Rodan and @ vapig:
I agree. There’s so much more to nail Президент Оба́ма with than the world’s second-worst-kept secret.
@ vagabond trader:
Swords and even knives are strictly regulated in Britain. Karate is not (at least the last I heard), but self-defense is frowned on more solidly than predatory assault. You are better off being the aggressor (I’m sure that there are racial and or religious factors that come into play there).
NOT TOO FAR OFF-TOPIC: Сенатор Оба́ма bows to Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko in 2005, while on a trip there with Senator Richard Lugar (RINO-IN): Here’s my take on it!
@ vagabond trader:
People can only take so much until they go postal. Having to suppress all that anger, take all the bullying, the arrogance from invaders… somethikng has to give. No one is really okay with being dhiminiuized.
teacake wrote:
I’m wondering abt. the “devastating punch,” also.
I’m sure Zero won’t take offense, what ever it is. Maybe he will get real serious and not say ‘pretty please,’ when he begs again for an ‘unclenching.’
@ Iron Fist:
Does that mean the bobbies will stand aside when the mob comes for the Mohammedans?
chickadee wrote:
Well he certainly won’t say anything to the effect of “Unclench your fists, Allah Dammit!”
Iron Fist wrote:
In Jewish schools in Britain, Krav Maga has become very popular.
Isn’t the entire point of the Queen of England’s duty to protect her royal subjects? It appears she hasn’t even addressed the problem .
vagabond trader wrote:
You know how Edward II was murdered right?
@ vagabond trader:
In England:
Christian teacher ‘forced out’ after complaining Muslim pupils praised 9/11 hijackers ‘as heroes’
Passengers left stunned after Muslim bus driver pulls over and begins praying in the aisle
…coming to America
@ Macker:
Probably not. For that they’ll deploy their “gun” units armed with submachineguns. Of course, the Mohammedans will have AK-47s, so in that case the bobbies will undoubtably stand aside. Britain is hosed. I wouldn’t move there for a million pounds a year. Well, maybe for a year, but only if they’d let me bug out after that with the money. I wouldn’t want to stay five years. I don’t think their civil society is going to last that long.
WrathofG-d wrote:
Jeezus Louizas I ahve a thread coming soon with both those stories. where did you get that?
Birtherism is not going to get us a single vote come November, and 2012. That’s all I know. It may even lose us a few.
@ Speranza:
You might want to check Atlas Shrugs every day. She has both those and more.
teacake wrote:
Her blog loads way too slow. Too many graphics. Anyway I have a thread in the pipeline with both those stories in it.
@ Speranza:
Yeah, check Pam’s site. Way more things on there now that you won’t see anywhere else. Wow! Some really spooky things at the moment.
Muslim Brotherhood Frontman, Somali Taliban’s new envoy to U.S. is HuffPo columnist, CAIR official
and
Army Knew of Jihadis in its Ranks and Did Nothing -”Islamic holy war — was a serious problem and threat to personnel in the U.S.”
@ Speranza:
You might need a different browser or an update if you use firefox. My pages load right away.
@ Speranza:
Brutally, the old hot poker up the kiester, or so it is said.
teacake wrote:
I will try. I originally thought someone stole my thread because I’ve one in the pipeline with those same two stories.I got mine from Tundra Tabloids.
vagabond trader wrote:
yes that is how he was murdered.
Jesusland wrote:
I absolutely agree.
teacake wrote:
I saw her on Joy Behar last night.
@ Speranza:
His wife,Isabella the She Wolf of France was something.Her brother was Philip the Fair, King of France and it was through her that Edward III, her son, claimed the French throne leading to the 100 Years War.Now the Brits coddle muslims. Go figure.
@ WrathofG-d:
Nope, because we are organized here. If this Bus Driver pulled A stunt like this here, he’d get his head smashed in.
vagabond trader wrote:
In the Braveheart movie she was played as a mature woman while in reality she was 6 years old at the time.
@ MikeA:
Or someone channeling Chuck….LOL, sorry, I could not resist.
teacake wrote:
Has Geller got over her own birtherist phase? She could go a long way in my estimation if she admitted that Obama is legally the President. She could riff on that to a general condemnation of all the secrecy behind Obama’s documentation, including school records. That doesn’t bother me. What always bothered me was the implication that Obama’s not the President, which is an attack on the military chain of command while they’re on duty.
Pam Geller did excellent work with techdude, pointing out how invalid and phony Barack Hussein Obama’s COLB is.
As the circumstances of his birth are fishy — especially his using millions of dollars to hide is long form birth certificate — it is certainly a legitimate question. And as Obama seems to really fear this and is an enemy of the country he leads, this birther can be pushed from time to time.
Those who are familiar with my comments in the past on the birthers know I’m neutral. Neither side in my opinion has provided irrefutable proof to corroborate their claims. What exactly the President is hiding, I don’t know. I agree this is not a winning political issue, but it’s still serious enough I’d like to see irrefutable documentation. We’re talking about a possible subversion of the Constitution, hence the seriousness.
Should it have been an issue in the first place? Never. The matter of the President’s birth certificate should’ve been resolved back when he was Senator Obama running for President.