What can you say other then Winston Churchill must be turning over in his grave and Maggie Thatcher must not be pleased (although Clown Prince Charlie sure must agree). The dhimmification of the United Kingdom is moving forward thanks to the cowardice of the ruling classes over there. In the 1970’s , 80’s and 90’s the British foolishly allowed into their country people who refused to assimilate and have a deep and abiding hatred for their new found refuge. The end result was the 7/7/2005 bombings in London as well as the attempt to bomb Glasgow Airport on 6/30/2007. A friend of mine in London was approached by some obnoxious lefty woman who wanted her to sign a petition to boycott Israeli products and she said right back to her “Funny I did not realize that it was Israelis who killed 52 people on the London transportation system in 2005″. The lefty woman stood open mouthed unable to respond.
(hat tip to Tundra Tabloids)
by Lucy Ballinger
A Christian teacher yesterday claimed he was forced out of his job after complaining that Muslim pupils as young as eight hailed the September 11 hijackers as heroes.
Nicholas Kafouris, 52, is suing his former school for racial discrimination.
He told a tribunal that he had to leave his £30,000-a-year post because he would not tolerate the ‘racist’ and ‘anti-Semitic’ behaviour of Year 4 pupils.
The predominantly Muslim youngsters openly praised Islamic extremists in class and described the September 11 terrorists as ‘heroes and martyrs’.
One pupil said: ‘Don’t touch me, you’re a Christian’ when he brushed against him.
Others said: ‘We want to be Islamic bombers when we grow up’, and ‘The Christians and Jews are our enemies – you too because you’re a Christian’.
——————————————— The teacher claims racial discrimination by the school, its headmistress and her assistant head after they failed to take action about the comments made by pupils to him.
He said there was a change in attitude of the pupils after the atrocities of September 11, 2001. They told him: ‘We hate the Christians’ and ‘We hate the Jews’, despite his attempts to stop them.
——————————————— In a statement submitted to the Central London Employment Tribunal he said: ‘Miss Hankey proceeded to excuse and justify the pupil’s behaviour, conduct and remarks to me as if I had no right to be offended by the child’s remarks and conduct.
‘Amongst Miss Hankey’s justifications for the child’s remarks, she said, “If the child was older, say 15, I might take it more seriously. He’s only nine – he’s only doing it to wind you up”.’
He added: ‘I felt the head’s behaviour and conduct towards me amounted to direct religious discrimination. I was intimidated in the way she spoke to me which indicated “Don’t come back with such issues again”.’
Read the rest: Christian teacher ‘forced out’ after complaining Muslim pupils praised 9/11 hijackers ‘as heroes’
ON A RELATED NOTE:
Passengers left stunned after Muslim bus driver pulls over and begins praying in the aisle
A Muslim bus driver stunned passengers by pulling over mid-route and beginning to pray in the aisle.
The driver stopped the bus without warning before removing his shoes and, using a fluorescent jacket as a prayer mat, beginning to chant in Arabic.
Passengers said they feared the driver could be preparing for a terror attack.
No one was able to get on or off the vehicle during the five-minute prayer session.
Passenger Gayle Griffiths complained to Transport for London about the bizarre incident on the No.24 bus in Gospel Oak, north London, this week.
Mother-of-one Miss Griffiths, 33, of Camden, north-west London, had boarded the bus a few minutes earlier on her way home from work.
She says that she even feared at the time that the driver might be a fanatic planning to blow up the bus.
Read the rest here: Passengers left stunned after Muslim bus driver pulls over and begins praying in the aisle
Tags: Daily Mail UK, Lucy Ballinger
We must learn to understand other cultures. All are equal.
// SPIT!!!
We cannot allow this to happen here.
@ coldwarrior:
Too late… I am sure Dearborn, MI and Paterson, NJ and parts of Minneapolis, MN are doing it already. Also that private Saudi academy in VA.
They create greater and greater discord and problems as their numbers grow because they do NOT assimilate. They are Not in the western world to be part of it. They are here to take it over and pervert it to the backward ways of their hideous screed. It will just get worse until civilized people say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The longer we wait the more difficult it gets. Mostly for them because the tipping point will occur before they out number us and the repercussions will be devastating.
This is somewhat along the same line, Sombody named Marjoriemoon is leading an ant-Catholic hate fest over at the Swamp.
Muslims? Not so bad
The other part of this story that is “unsaid”…
Did any other teachers hear this same thing but said nothing because:
1) Fear of losing job
2) Multiculturalism
3) Agreed with the students
4) All of the above…
@ coldwarrior:
You are 100% right there. Now is the time to prepare. Right now the means of our ultimate defense are legally available. We cannot allow ourselves to be disarmed as the British subjects have allowed themselves to be disarmed.
@ Iron Fist:
Boy are we clinging to our guns and religion…
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Don’t worry, I am clinging too… Just need to get an HK-91 to go with the FN-FAL I have….
This headline (given by teh MSM) is misleading. From the actual comments by the “youths”, it seems that more than mearly “praising 9/11 hijackers” was afoot.
I get a sense that a highly liberal U.K., might have had a different response if the headline were instead “Teacher Forced Out After Standing Up Against Religious, and Racial Discrimination”.
@ coldwarrior:
We need to crack heads open if they do.
I think the Tea Party’s next target after we beat the left should be Islam.
MikeA wrote:
Absolutely. I have had muslims working for me and have gone to their weddings. The things the little kids would say would make your hair stand on end. It’s only the little kids that have not learned not to say those things in front of non-muslims that are honest. The rest have learned to hold their tongues, but they feel the same way. It’s going on here in all their schools. Be scared be very scared.
@ RIX:
Majorie Moon should move to an Arab country. She’s a bigoted Christian hater. I highly doubt she runs her mouth off to the Cubans who live in Miami. She lives there and I would love to see her open her mouth.
Hint, the Atlantic Ocean and Everglades are nearby!
Remember folks, Islam is a Disease, wrapped around an Ideology, inside a Cult.
Good Lord I need a gun. That is some freaky business over in Britain. They have all had their spines removed….along with their testicles. We Americans have been scrapping for years to maintain what we have built on this land. I am sure we will continue to fight. Those who are “in charge” do not speak for me. I’m sure all of you feel the same way. The face of this nation that is put out there is NOT the true face of America or Americans.
@ Nevergiveup:
This is why we need to defeat the Progressives. Once they are out the way, The Muzzies will be defenseless.
@ NoThreat2U:
Most Americans hate Islam. The only reason they act up is because our leaders in Both Parties are beholden to Saudi interest. They are protected.
Quick OT: Rep. Dicks Top Contender for Defense Appropriations Seat Held by Murtha
Anyone know anything about this Dick?
@ MikeA:
Belgian FAL or copy? I won’t say what all I have or don’t have, but I like both the H&K and the FAL. Of the FAL copies, I think like the Styer STG-58 the best. It is heavy, though. If you want an H&K 91, be prepared to pay a premium for it. The last one I saw the guy wanted $3500 for it.
[/Cling.Guns.Religion]
@ Nevergiveup:
He looks like a dick!
@ NoThreat2U:
Recommend an AR-15 clone for all around. I personally prefer something in .308 due to the higher hit power but to each his own.
@ Iron Fist:
The Tea Party Movement needs to target islam next. Once we finish off the Progressives, we need to go after their allies!
@ RIX:
moonbat making her bones at Bedlam,huh? Come over here and lets mix it up moonie.
@ Rodan:
Yes, most do hate Islam. I don’t think even the most chauvenistic American male would force women into burkas…they enjoy looking at them too much. We won’t stand for this. I know I sure as HELL won’t put up with a male dominated society.
Rodan wrote:
I am not interested in seeing them defenseless. I want to see them becoming Americans and all that implies.
@ Iron Fist:
Copy using some brazilian parts. It works reliably and I like the knockdown power. .223 is good to have also but I always like to use too much gun than not enough.
Using a tank to crack a walnut is overkill but the walnut still gets cracked…
@ MikeA:
Is it big. I want one small enough that I can handle it, but drop someone’s ass if necessary.
@ NoThreat2U:
I’ll second the AR-15. The 5.56 has its problems, but it is a very mild shooting round. When I worked for the Marines, there was a little Lance Corporal that I worked with. Tiny little woman, and she loved the M-16. Light recoil, not too heavy, easy to use. Everyone should have one
@ Rodan:
Yes! Islam delenda est.
@ Nevergiveup:
Dude, the only way that can happen is if they denounce their “religion”. You cannot be an American…and all that entails….and live your life by the guidelines set forth in the koran. Impossible.
@ NoThreat2U:
you looking for handgun or rifle. I was talking rifle.
Handgun… 9mm or .40 is a good round. I like Sig-Sauer personally but I am sure others on the list can provide other very good guns.
@ Iron Fist:
Thanks guys
NoThreat2U wrote:
Well then we got a problem here folks
@ NoThreat2U:
The Jericho .357 is a good gun.
Here’s something annoying/interesting I came across, while searching for something else: http://vimeo.com/3015749
It’s called “Anti-Apartheid Wall,” and it’s chock-full of Palestinian war-chants, including “Shame, shame, USA!” (and thanks for the billions of dollars…)
@ MikeA:
See, this is what confuses me. My son has his hunting rifle…no need to register it. But if he had a handgun, he would. I would like one of each actually. I want the rifle so I can stay off the radar. But I want a hand gun to carry with me at all times.
@ Nevergiveup:
That’s the statement of the Century!
@ Nevergiveup:
Yes sir, we do.
Remember this charming tale of muzz tolerance?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-497490/Thousands-Islamic-fanatics-wielding-knives-demand-jailed-teddy-bear-teacher-executed.html
@ NoThreat2U:
This is America. Get both.. plus a good shotgun in 12 ga. pump. Mossberg 500 is a good one to have. Others are good. Like pump better than semi-auto but thats me.
@ NoThreat2U:
If you are looking for a handgun, I tend to recommend revolvers to people who aren’t going to take the time or have the inclination to become really fluent (for want of a better word) with their weapon. A revolver is harder to reload, true, but it is kiss simple in operation. You aren’t going to go into combat with it, particularly, but that is true of any handgun. There’s a reason revolvers are still in production 150 years after their introduction (with changes and improvements, of course
). They work pretty much every time you pull the trigger, and they don’t jam.
@ vagabond trader:
They are barbarians. There is really nothing else to say about them.
@ Nevergiveup:
Yep. I agree.
@ Iron Fist:
Nevergiveup wrote:
He’s congressman for life from Washington’s 6th district, which includes several military bases. Typically gets reelected by 70+ percent. Historically, he’s been one of the more “conservative” donkeys, but will do what he has to to survive. On his eleventyeth term (he took over from congressman-for-life Floyd Hicks back in the ’70s).
@ NoThreat2U:
Not fit to coexist.
@ MikeA:
Or get one in each caliber.
I’ve had a Springfield M1A for awhile now, and picked up one of the telescoping stock Mini-14s a few months back.
@ MikeA:
Oh I do love me the pump action too! (not THAT) Just the sound puts the fear of God into someone. I’ll maybe have my bro take me shopping next time he is stateside. If you can’t trust a Marine to pick out your weapons, who can you trust???
@ NoThreat2U:
Wait until after this June to buy a handgun if you live somewhere that requires registration. There is a real good chance that the Supreme Court is going to throw out some or all of that nonsense this summer.
@ NoThreat2U:
Of course, even in a state that doesn’t register handguns, if you have a CCW permit you’re not going to be “off the radar.”
from the swamp
I regret I only have one upding for this. Count me as another Jew who is not willing to demonize Islam…………………………………………..
try reading the Koran idiot
@ Iron Fist:
I’ve checked the PA website about our gun laws. They are pretty relaxed here thank God! I just want to get something before you ain’t allowed to have them anymore. Paranoid?? Maybe.
@ lobo91:
Then they can confiscate my handgun…and not even know about my rifle
snork wrote:
Thanks. Just wanted to make sure it wasn’t some progressive lefty taking over the chairmanship
@ NoThreat2U:
Ok, I’m back for this conversation again. First of all, what you guys are wishing for cannot constitutionally happen in the U.S., and on a practical matter (assuming the constitution was ignored) won’t be happening-especially after Japanese internment.
Your conclusions (that you cannot be both Muslim and loyal) are also false. Yes, I know what the Koran states, but that doesn’t mean that every single Muslim follows the Koran 100% any more than any Jew or Christian does their book. (all apologies to Jews and Christians for comparing the stupid Koran with the Torah & Bible).
Although the majority (and especially the vocal majority(?)) are a problem which surely needs to be quickly, aggressively, and immediately attended to, that does not mean that all of American Muslims should be swept up in it. Even if there are only 10 “innocent” American Muslims, they have the right to not be thrown in with the Islamists.
Lastly, what seems to be suggested here (as I have pointed out numerous times before) is draconian and unnecessary to achieve the result many of us actually want (a safe, and secure World)
@ mawskrat:
I read that and almost fell off my chair. What about when they come to chop your head off? Gonna give ‘em a flower??? Dumbass.
@ mawskrat:
In the future, I would greatly appreciate it if you attributed comments to their actual author. (ie: give their name with the comment)
Ideally, I would beg for a direct link, but I ask for too much.
@ Iron Fist:
Of course, even if that happens, there’s nothing guaranteeing that the states will actually destroy the data they’ve already collected.
Remember what happened with the records from the NICS system? That information was required to be destroyed within 72 hours, as I recall. Then it came out that they made daily backup tapes of the system, which they didn’t destroy.
Or look at what happened with all the guns the city of New Orleans confiscated during Katrina, most of which are still rusting in shipping containers. This after they were ordered to return them to their owners several years ago.
@ WrathofG-d:
Your conclusions (that you cannot be both Muslim and loyal) are also false. Yes, I know what the Koran states, but that doesn’t mean that every single Muslim follows the Koran 100% any more than any Jew or Christian does their book. (all apologies to Jews and Christians for comparing the stupid Koran with the Torah & Bible).
And therein lies a whole other problem. Then we would see infighting amongst the moes as to who is a real muslim and who is not. If you follow our constitution you are not a real muslim. muslims do not have to follow man made laws…only the laws of allah. If you follow American law…again, you are not a real muslim. As long as their “faith” is intertwined with their civil lives, they cannot fit in here. Period.
@ WrathofG-d:
bratwurst
Tue, Feb 9, 2010 12:20:46pm replyquote 4downupreport
re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist
There’s a lot of revisionist history going around, as people paint Muslim history in darker and more lurid colors, and clean up the West’s record in regard to Jews and Muslims and theocracy.
I get irritable. I was a history major, once upon a time.
I regret I only have one upding for this. Count me as another Jew who is not willing to demonize Islam.
@ NoThreat2U:
Yes, this is all an aspect of the conflict between secular and Islamic law, and one that I cannot speak on their behalf. I do know however that Jews have been able to live in secular/non-Jewish countries for centuries without problem, and I know of no Jewish law that states that you can ignore Torah because it conflicts with secular law. (…and now someone mentiones Derech Eretz….)
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@ NoThreat2U:
It’s not paranoia if they are out to get you
James Madison, Federalist No. 46
It is your right to own weapons. Don’t ever let them take it away.
@ lobo91:
Yeah. I’d rather not say how I’d have handled the shit in Katrina. Someone should have gone to jail for that and I’m not talking about any gunowners.
@ WrathofG-d:
That is because Jews understand the whole “render unto Caeser” thing. Moes don’t recognize any authority other than allah. That is what makes them muslim. Submission.
@ NoThreat2U:
That’s been going on for a good while. Google “takfir” for details.
@ Iron Fist:
I’ll do my damndest.
NoThreat2U wrote:
The truth is that I am not an expert on this issue, but if I had to throw out a huge guess….the Jewish ability to live in peace with secular society is NOT because of anything having to do with Christian dogma (ie: “render unto Ceasar”). Most if it actually probably has to do with not having a Temple. But I am just guessing.
@ Iron Fist:
I’m sure New Orleans will be much better run with Mary Landrieu’s brother as mayor…
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@ lobo91:
There is on sect …Ahmahdi?…something like that….that the other moes consider heretics. Hell they can’t play nice amongst themselves! Who the hell thinks they can play nice with ones who DONT consider themselves muslim?
VERY OT
Anyone know anything about BlueRay dvd players? I sold someone some regular burned dvds and I told him prior that I don’t even know what blue ray is so I couldn’t tell him if regular dvds work or not. Anyone know if there is a way he can get a regular burned dvd to play on blueray player?
This ass is now reporting me to paypal for saying I sold him rubbish when the problem is his player. Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lolol
@ WrathofG-d:
Not being Jewish myself, I have no idea what having a Temple would mean. I use the render unto Caeser thing in broad terms…not meant as a Christian thing. Maybe the Jews can live in non-Jewish or secular society because they are just fine with being who they are and living in peace. They are not trying to turn everyone and everything Jewish?
@ teacake:
Yes, regular DVDs play on BluRay players.
However, not all BluRay players (or all DVD players, for that matter) like all DVD-R discs.
WrathofG-d wrote:
Well when the Temple was destroyed and the Jewish People cast into the Diaspera, we had to learn how to cope or we would have ceased to exist as a people. Learning to live in “foreign” societies was one such survival tactic. As was the creation of the Synogogue which was a spiritual center completely seperate from THE TEMPLE.
@ NoThreat2U:
On the most basic level, Sunnis and Shia consider each other heretics, when you come right down to it.
Crazy American Jewish Fundamentalist Who Wishes To Force You To Live Halachicly Owns Gun
@ teacake:
I highly doubt anything would work. Bluray are marketed as different from regular store bought ones. SOmething special about them….I know not what.
@ WrathofG-d:
We have a big disagreement over this.
We need to impose a permanent freeze on Islamic Immigration. Their loyalty is to the Dar al Islam, not America.
Wherever islam goes it destroys. Those are historical facts.
@ lobo91:
That’s what I mean. They can’t even get along with each other!!
Here is a NY Times commentary saying an Iranian bomb would be good!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/09/opinion/09lowther.html
lobo91 wrote:
First white mayor since 1978. I’m sure KKKilgore’s delighted.
lobo91 wrote:
Thank G-d. Their intra-muslim fighting is the best thing we have going for us.
@ NoThreat2U:
That’s one difference between Islam and Judaism that probably has quite a bit to do with their acceptance in other societies. Judaism is a non-proseletyzing faith, while Muslims believe that the’re required to do whatever it takes to bring the world under Islam.
@ NoThreat2U:
Actually, maybe you just hit on the true difference. Judaism is an “internal” religion. We are trying to change ourselves, and by result the world, instead of directly trying to change the world.
Islam is quite the opposite, they leave no choice up to their personal lives, and then overtly have a duty to change the entire world directly, and by force if necessary.
I’m not sure this means that all of Islam needs to be defeated still, but it might explain the difference situations between Jewish existence in the World and Islams.
@ NoThreat2U:
Agree 100%, America is not for them. They have 57 Countries all ready. They need to stay the fuck out!
Rodan wrote:
The author is a moron.
@ Rodan:
I agree completely. Nothing but death and destruction wherever they go.
@ Rodan:
I wasn’t discussing immigration (yet). I was only responding to those who are already here, and American citizens just like you and me.
@ WrathofG-d:
Islam is a mask for Arab Imperialism. There is a caste system and ARabs are on top. They imposed their culture and morals on others. They are the head of the Islamic serpent.
lobo91 wrote:
And that’s a risk with any DVD player, especially the Walmart $24.99 ones. If I were you, I’d make give him a full refund and not try to fight it.
@ WrathofG-d:
They are legally American citizens, but their hearts are with the Dar al Islam. They are foreign agents of another power.
I don’t concider them Americans, but an enemy of this nation.
@ snork:
That advice was actually meant for teacake.
@ lobo91:
You stated that much better than i did. Thank you.
@ WrathofG-d:
Very well stated
@ Rodan:
Quite concur
@ Nevergiveup:
This is straight out of an Onion parody.
@ Nevergiveup:
As donkeys go, I’d say he’s one of the better ones. But don’t buy any used cars from him.
@ snork:
Let me know when you are done editing. I want to move your post up to earlier.
@ WrathofG-d:
I think we need a thread on “What IS an American Citizen”. Is it more than just the citizenship test? Do you really really really have to believe in the laws our founders formed this country on? Someone better than I can do this.
Rodan wrote:
I am very aware of Islam’s existence on this planet. It is not those who are imperialist, racist, sexist, murderous, or Islamist that I defend or argue for;
It is those who are not!
Although fully aware of what is probably a large majority of the Muslim population, I do not believe (at this point) that all of Islam and humanity are mutually exclusive.
snork wrote:
So much for a Chocolate City™….
@ Rodan:
we shouldn’t allow Mohammedans in until they allow infidels in Mecca. Like I keep saying, when they lay the cornerstone to the first synagogue next to the First Baptist Church of Mecca, then, and only then, can we have peace.
@ mawskrat:
I’m a history major,I know everything,got a question?
What a pompous azz.
@ NoThreat2U:
I’ve never had a problem playing a DVD movie in my BluRay player. In fact, I don’t even have a regular DVD player as part of my home theater system anymore. The BluRay player does fine.
There can be issues with DVD-Rs in them, though, just like in regular DVD players. I have a set of the entire series of Deep Space Nine that was recorded on DVD-Rs, and it plays fine in both the BluRay player and the living room DVD player, but it won’t play in the one in the bedroom.
NoThreat2U wrote:
There are laws that specifically define who is an American citizen.
@ Iron Fist:
LMAO @ First Baptist Church of Mecca lol lol lol
@ Macker:
Remember what he said, In order to get chocolate, you have to mix in Vanilla!
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@ Iron Fist:
Ding ding ding. Anyone who thinks the muzz are ok, just ask any practicing ones you know why infidels, specifically Jews, are not allowed in Mecca and any other holy places.I dare you.
@ lobo91:
The only problem I have is with burned cds …burned elsewhere…they wont play on my dvd player because it is a burner itself. Confusing stuff this technology.
Nevergiveup wrote:
You got that right. He makes an ass out of you and me by stating the Mullahs think like the Soviets did. THEY DO NOT. They WANT a frakking return of the 12th Imam!
@ Iron Fist:
Yup, I agree!
@ Rodan:
Snicker….
vagabond trader wrote:
Count me as a Jew who doesn’t think we need to demonize Islam, as history and present reality do that for them.
I judge them not on their history, or as a group, but on their individual actions. Yes, I will use broad generalizations to help form my opinion, but in the end it comes down to the individual. On both fronts, most Muslims today are greatly failing. Despite what that “history major” claims, finding embarrassing history of Christians, or Jews (Jews? Really!? I’d like to hear that one) wouldn’t whitewash Islam’s history.
Something tells me that “history major” should have studied more.
@ WrathofG-d:
The laws are firm and concrete. What about the personal aspect of it? There is more to being an American than just the laws.
@ Macker:
He’s delusional. He wants more American involvement in the Middle East. I want less.
@ Nevergiveup:
Dude, I thought they, like, would fire you from the military for smoking dope…
@ WrathofG-d:
I think that both the Jewish and the Christian ability to live as good citizens under the rule of non-Jews or non-Christians is based in large part on experience.
Christians spent their doctrinally formative period under the (usually hostile) pagan Roman Empire. Jews, ofcourse, had plenty of experience living under Gentile empires, even before the destruction of the last Temple.
Islam, OTOH, spent its formative period in triumphal conquest and rule.
@ NoThreat2U:
I don’t know why we accept these sorts of problems with stuff related to computers.
Can you imagine buying a toaster that would only work with a certain brand of bread?
Or a car that only worked on certain roads?
@ lobo91:
Always trying to build a better mousetrap. Simplicity get cast off along the way.
@ wolfie:
That is why after 9/11 I would of destroyed the Kaaba. They need to be humiliated.
wolfie wrote:
…and they are succeeding because of it. That being said, it is interesting that we are having this conversation right before Purim.
@ Macker:
What, you never heard of white chocolate?
WrathofG-d wrote:
That “history major” is probably as much a history major as she is a Jew or a Zionist.
@ WrathofG-d:
One thing that always amuses me about people who like to bring up evils done in the name of Christianity in response to Islam is how they completely ignore the fact that most of Christianity’s sins were commited in ancient history.
If you want to read about evil commited in the name of Islam, all you need to do is turn on your TV set or pick up a newspaper.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Yeah San Francisco Zionist hangs out at a blog whose allies are all anti Semites.
@ lobo91:
Plus most of the “Christian” attrocties had more to do with Nationalism or Imperialism rather than Christian doctrine.
@ Speranza:
Lovely. As someone once said be wary of those who wear their hearts on their nics.
vagabond trader wrote:
[Smacks Forehead] And I’m a white chocolate fan!
Speranza wrote:
And from what I remember about conversations and confrontations I had with her, her knowledge of Israel is minimal.
@ Speranza:
SF Zionist didn’t say much when Israel was just bashed on that thread.
@ Macker:
umm ummm ummm.
Nevergiveup wrote:
I wonder if that “history major” is aware that Before Islam, Medina Was A Jewish City.
@ WrathofG-d:
Hey Jews should demand Medina back!
I want Constantinople back!
SF Zionist? There is a contradiction.
This guy wants his money back and just because he’s a lazy ass I’m not going to refund $65 for 9 dvds! LOL He claims the dvds are not as described. I hope paypal doesn’t screw me over. They tend not to care about the seller these days. This guy knew he was getting copies on +R and why he can’t get them to play on his computer is weird. I think he has buyers remorse perhaps. But I did nothing wrong. Paypal doesn’t care. Hope this ass figures out how to play them. lol
@ Macker:
there is no actual chocolate in white chocolate.
Rodan wrote:
You can have them both, and I’ll take the oil fields. Drinks on me!
@ wolfie:
Islam, OTOH, spent its formative period in triumphal conquest and rule.
That is a perfect statement. And that is exactly what they are after now. They complain about other countries “arrogance” and shit like that. The thing is….they havent moved forward in 14oo years. They are jealous, plain and simple. The whole big desert over there, and tiny Israel thrives. They can’t conceive the notion that THEY are holding themselves back. Boo frickin’ hoo losers.
Rodan wrote:
Only MandyManners actually speaks up for Israel any more.
Hi, I majored in Southeast Asian history at Berkley,with a minor in pig Latin then got my masters in African American womens studies.Would you like fries with that?
@ Nevergiveup:
I just read that waste of electrons, and my mouth was hanging open by the time I got to the end.
That sounds like some of the utter crap the CIA used to pawn off as “analysis” during the Cold War.
I’d really like to know what the author’s background is, aside from being a “defense analyst” at Maxwell AFB.
I’d wager quite a bit that he has no understanding of Islam or Middle Eastern history whatsoever.
vagabond trader wrote:
I majored in Gay and Lesbian and Transgendered studies and am the best damned file clerk in the company!
@ Speranza:
LOL! Hey this is fun.
@ Nevergiveup:
Ha ha ha ha ha, Like that!
@ Rodan:
Done.
@ Rodan:
I would also like the Temple loot back since we are at it. Until then, how about Judea & Samaria?
Horrible incident of muzz-teacher love.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30122126/Teacher-shot-dead-torched-by-insurgents-in-Pattani
vagabond trader wrote:
So that’s what Robert Byrd was talking about…
@ WrathofG-d:
And add to that all the villages in Europe as well as Alexandria and Bagdad.
Rodan wrote:
I agree. Shine a light on it. Bring it out in the open. Force them to back down on their muzz demands for special status. Prosecute them aggressively for their crimes and violations.
@ snork:
Give the old fool all the white chocolate he wants.
@ vagabond trader:
Ha! If we could get the info out there that Islamists are murdering Buddhists, we might actually be able to get some traction with the leftist MSM.
@ WrathofG-d:
Judea and samaria is historically yours. In fact, I really hope Jews tear down that abomination and rebuild your temple. It’s your land and you should have a right to build what you want.
Constantinople was built by Greeks and it rightfully belongs to them. It’s their land not the Turks who are Central Asian invaders.
What is this crap about expertise accruing to a “history major?”
Most history majors in this country study American history. This might make you more knowledgeable about one (very short-lived) country than the average guy in the street, but it hardly qualifies you to speak authoritatively on medieval Japan or ancient Syria!
If your field was European history, your knowledge is certainly broader, but still……Gimme a break!
SFZ is smoking those funny cigarettes, IMO.
And don’t you dare presume to argue with me because I took a course in pharmacology once!!!
(not really!)
@ WrathofG-d:
They know,its willful ignorance by the msm.
@ WrathofG-d:
They are ignoring that as well.
@ Rodan:
Our best shot was in 1967. Should’ve accidentally turned the dome into a pile of rubble and blamed the muzz.
vagabond trader wrote:
That’s never too late. lol
vagabond trader wrote:
See now that is the thinking about things that bother me – nothing personal!(but then again I’m a “Jewish Fundamentalist”).
Without getting into the deep religious complexities of building the Temple, why worry about what everyone else is going to think if Jews did? Why not just level the thing now, and get on with it? Oh, because it will upset the Muslims……..
Um, ok…again so what?
lol,OT and priceless.
Built in DC by Sen. Inhofes family, sign reads Al Gores New Home.
http://www.weaselzippers.net/.a/6a00e008c6b4e588340120a87d8136970b-pi
Senate Rejects Obama’s Labor Board Nominee
FOXNews.com
Craig Becker, a former union lawyer who President Obama nominated for a seat on the National Labor Relations Board, did not get the 60 votes needed to break a Republican-led filibuster.
Good.
Iran Moving to Silence Dissent With Arrests, Analysts Say
In recent weeks, Iranian security officials have unleashed a wave of arrests across the country in an effort to neutralize the political opposition, silence critical voices and head off widespread protests when the nation marks the anniversary of the revolution on Thursday, Iran analysts inside and outside the country said.
Though the government has refrained from arresting the principal leaders of the opposition, the category of people it has pursued has grown broader over time. While a number of well-known reformists were detained shortly after the contested presidential election in June, the ranks of those imprisoned now include artists, photographers, children’s rights advocates, women’s rights activists, students and scores of journalists. Iran now has more journalists in prison than any other country in the world, with at least 65 in custody, according to Reporters Without Borders.
Reports have filtered out from across Iran of people being roused from their beds during midnight raids and disappearing into the penal system without an official word to family and friends, and of overcrowded jails and long stays in solitary confinement, according to human rights groups inside and outside Iran.
Snip
@ Nevergiveup:
Great news, this guy is NG.
WrathofG-d wrote:
Because the entire Arab World would go ape shit and alot of people would die including alot of innocent Jews and Christians. And since we have survived the last 2000 years with out the Temple, we can wait a while more till G-D decides it is time have another one.
mawskrat wrote:
I’m sure the irony is lost on this poster that the only reason she can say something s o stupid is that she lives in the U.S. where she is safe. If she was living in most muzz countries, she would be suffering terrible under these cruel barbarians. I have a Jewish friend from Iran. Very horrible stories of abuse to his family. SanFranZionist needs to wake up. The muzz would destroy Israel in a heart beat. By their own admission. They demonize themselves.
@ WrathofG-d:
Hey,I wouldn’t quibble if they wanted to lob a few missiles at it for target practice. Israel does have that “civilized” thing going on is all.Which is unfortunate because not many other “civilized” nations appreciate the restraint.
OT – Becker, Becker what a pecker!!@ Nevergiveup:
A good day for the good guys.
@ Nevergiveup:
Very good news. We are on our way of getting thing to where they need to be. Next is Congress
Nice little present for the unhingeing of Ludwiggedvanquackquack and his enabler CJ.
Snow on the Az – Mexico border tomorrow night.
http://www.nws.noaa.gov
@ BBEV:
More obstructing is good for America!
Just say NO!
And therein lies a whole other problem. Then we would see infighting amongst the moes as to who is a real muslim and who is not. If you follow our constitution you are not a real muslim. muslims do not have to follow man made laws…only the laws of allah. If you follow American law…again, you are not a real muslim. As long as their “faith” is intertwined with their civil lives, they cannot fit in here. Period.@ NoThreat2U:
It strikes me that if this is the case, then there would be no “true muslims” anywhere. Everywhere and anywhere on the planet,including Muslims country’s are laws made by man, enforced by man and followed by citizens. Muslim or otherwise.
I am not a fan in the ROP. I believe like Wrath that some of the things being suggested here are draconian and counterproductive. I had a young Corporal in the 5th Marines with me who was killed wearing the Uniform of his country. he was a Muslim of Turkish heritage and a fine young man. I still miss him.
@ taxfreekiller:
Wow,that is a rare occurence!
Nevergiveup wrote:
Hallelujah! Great news!
@ Nevergiveup:
@ vagabond trader:
Ah yes, the terrorized response. “it will upset the Muslims”. I wholeheartedly understand this feeling, but worry that it is one without faith. Further, I don’t know if you have noticed, but they are pretty angry as it is, and do not hesitate to destroy all they can without a peep from those whom we would expect to be furious about it. (the mosque being there in the 1st place is a great example)
But more importantly than any of that, what is more important pleasing G-d, or appeasing Islam?
Experts: Sanctions unlikely
Nuclear experts told Ynet Tuesday evening that it was not likely Western powers would succeed in imposing the sanctions extolled by Obama, in light of China’s known stance.
Ephraim Asculai, a senior researcher at Tel Aviv University’s Institute for National Security Studies (INSS), said Iran was well on its way to achieving nuclear prowess.
“From the moment they have enriched uranium to 20-percent purity, most of the work in achieving a military level of enrichment has been completed, and the distance left is not significant,” he said.
“However it may very well be a method of defiance aimed at pressuring the West,” Asculai added. “It is a very serious step, and should have been prevented long ago.”
Emily Landau, also a senior researcher at the INSS, agrees China would make it nearly impossible to impose sanctions through the UN. However she also believes the West will have trouble imposing private sanctions on Iran.
“The option of sanctions outside the Security Council exists, but they keep saying ’soon’ and we have not yet seen any steps taken,” she told Ynet.
Landau added that the US would not likely impose sanctions either. “President Obama has decided he will only act within a multi-sided framework. He has reservations about imposing sanctions privately, and if he doesn’t do so soon, they will not be effective in any case,” she concluded.
And that’s the ballgame folks. Gee I really wish President Bush had acted.
vagabond trader wrote:
You say “Hell No”
@ WrathofG-d:
So how do your muslim acquaintances react to your views? Serious question.
@ Guggi:
I can’t wait to find out what the big punch will be on the 11th. If I were working in the French Embassy, I’d call in sick that day.
WrathofG-d wrote:
I don’t give a rat’s ass about upsetting the Muslims, but I do care about the loss of innocent life.
@ Nevergiveup:
Oh goodie more sanctions. they have worked so well so far so why not?
GrandJunctionite wrote:
From France or if I can’t get there from somewhere safe, like Israel!
I heard the other day on the news that Syria wants the Golan Heights that Israel gained in the war. I thought Israel already gave that to Egypt quite a while back?
IF ya think of a football game where territory is gained, can anyone imagine the loosing team suddenly cries no fair, we want those yards given back? Bad analogy but using actual war gain and loss, doesn’t seem to mean much anymore.
Hell, looks like 5″ of snow out on grand dads Crow Flats place.
Better call and get the Mel off the place and safe in Dell City or El Paso.
nuts the cold , Al Gore you failed us all.
vagabond trader wrote:
Truthfully, I haven’t had that discussion. But my life is not dependent on how it would effect the enemy.
Nevergiveup wrote:
I believe building the Temple or at least removing the Golden Blight from the Temple Mount will in the long run actually save innocent life because it will right the true balance of the world. Appeasing a bully might save you today, but its not the way to peace.
The Coffee Shop reports that CJs fans are tying themselves in knots over Murthas early exit to hell.
The Brits seem to be in somewhat of a bind also.
“Teenage pregnancies, binge drinking, that is what is associated with British culture. Islam is the dominant religion in the United Kingdom. If you don’t like it, go live somewhere else.
“Alcohol, pornography, anti-social behaviour, sexual deviancy; these are the things in Britain that need to be banned.”
A second email, entitled “You will be banned under Islamic rule” said: “Islam is the dominant religion in the UK. And the world. May Allah throw your mocking back on your soul.”
http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/content/towerhamlets/advertiser/news/story.aspx?brand=ELAOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsela&itemid=WeED05%20Feb%202010%2018%3A07%3A58%3A083
Nevergiveup wrote:
A backassward 7th Century bunch of savages who constantly scream abt. destroying Israel, and wait excitedly for their iman savior to crawl from a flea hole in the desert to bring them salvation.
LOL, yes. . . let’s give them the go ahead for nukes.
@ Nevergiveup:
Israel has been pushed around for way too long and have been acting defensively all these many years. Time to get out the bulldozers and get rid of that mosque. Fuck them. lol enough is enough. No matter what Israel does the world complains.
teacake wrote:
Golan Heights = North East of Israel.
Egypt = South West.
@ Nevergiveup:
[Dark, malevolent laughter]
One term, lame duck the Second, the Teleprompter Jesus, Abu Mohammed bin Obama…
This is what passes for logic now back in the old hood.
Ignore New Jersey, ignore Virginia, ignore Massachsetts.
Get past that the R’s are on pace to take back the House & maybe the Senate.
Yup, they miss you already.
@ teacake:
No way! If Israel gives up the Golan,they’ll be bombed up north day and night. Ain’t gonna happen.
teacake wrote:
Urh, the Golan is in the North of Israel on the border with Syria and Lebenon. Israel gave back the Sinai Peninsila that was between Israel and Egypt. The Golan was taken from Syria when Syria attacked Israel in the 67 war.
Rodan wrote:
That is exactly what they are. We just need to expose what they do. And what they say.
Nevergiveup wrote:
That’s what they want back in exchange for nothing.
Of some note:
The people at Sandia Labs have not put any thing new on the table by use from the end of WW II to now. They have been working the whole time. If the ones in Iran and or China were of rational thinking they would not doing what the are. Be careful of what actions result in is what I would caution the nut cases in Russia, China, Iran eta.
teacake wrote:
Sorry I can’t agree with you and Wrath.
@ Nevergiveup:
He couldn’t with the disloyalty we saw from the Democrats. It would have been like the Republicans in WWII defending Mussolini. While Mussolini was trying to build an atomic bomb to give to his friend Hitler.
God I hate the Democrats. Because of their treason and disloyalty, Iran will get atomic weapons, and Iran will use them. Way to go, Democrats.
I hate to just post and run…but…
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/02/bush_miss_me_yet_billboard_is.html
BBL
Nevergiveup wrote:
What? You don’t agree with me 100% of the time? How dare you! I ban you! Be gone!
@ S the Elder:
They are showing up everywhere.
RIX wrote:
I must say that the Republican Party did leave me but I and we are taking it back. The Tea Party rules…
@ Iron Fist:
Black Jesus® has fallen.
@ teacake:
The topography of the Golan serves as a natural blockade against any military attack from Syria. The Golan is essentially one big high plateau that overlooks southern Syria and serves as an excellent OP for Israel to keep track of Syrian military movements.
Israel will not give up the Golan Heights without a peace treaty. Maybe not even then.
It might almost be over, but here….speak to Ambassador Oren (live)
Nevergiveup wrote:
Give them nothing. Look what they did to Gaza.
taxfreekiller wrote:
I don’t even want to hear about 5″!!!!!!!
teacake wrote:
Well they want it back in exchange for peace. Whether you agree with that or not, or if you feel you can trust the Syrians or not, is another discussion
“Oh Charles, er Wrath I’m so sorry”
Here’s the thing, ya’ll… We say, wow, well, at least it’s UK, not here yet.
But what’s worse; this case of a child being excused for admiring as martyrs terrorists, and the teacher who corrects them being fired, or an army ‘doctor’ expressing the same sentiments, and no one in the army having the balls to complain about it?
Yeah, I’d say the latter is far far worse, and it happened, not in Londonistan or Torronto or Dearborn, but freaking Texas!
We are screwed too, don’t forget it.
S the Elder wrote:
I love it. It’s a cute stunt and will drive the progs nuts because they have NO sense of humor.
@ vapig:
Vapig, check out #156.
GrandJunctionite wrote:
The muzz won’t honor a peace treaty.
vagabond trader wrote:
No kidding – Gaza is a perfect example of this!
Yeah but this Girth individual is coming from the other direction.
You know, “Bad crazy, with Palin & teabaggers blah, blah”
And the portly Lizard nods in approval in his gated lair.
Nevergiveup wrote:
You don’t have to agree. Anyhow, just what we would like to see had no effect at all what nations do.
@ RIX:
“And the portly Lizard nods in approval in his gated lair.”
that’s scary. you can imagine his forked tongue going in and out checking for prey.
It’s good he’s too fat to move.
@ RIX:
Girth was never an R imho. Besides, its the Independents who are going to decide who becomes the next potus.
@ Nevergiveup:
The only way Israel should consider giving the Golan back to Syria is if they make it into some sort of DMZ, with an international observer force like they have in the Sinai.
Otherwise, the Syrians will just use it as an artillery firing position again.
vapig wrote:
Well not exactly. Although I do NOT trust the Syrians and would not want to give back the Golan to them, they do tend to keep to any agreement they sign with Israel and it is doubtful they would allow the kind of indiscriminate rocket fire from the Golan into Northern Israel as is common from Gaza.
@ RIX:
Yeah, bs he is. Feigned concern by a liberal poser more likely.
@ Nevergiveup:
Israel should give up no land, under any circumstances. Even a “peace treaty”. The Muslim/Arab world needs to learn to shove it!
Wrath for PM.
Nevergiveup wrote:
That’s why I said nothing. That’s all the muslim world ever gives in return, other than jihad.
Yeah & if he falls on his back , he’ll never get up without a fire department rescue.
@ RIX:
That’s disingenuous nonsense. When they start out “I was a Republican____” they’re lying. Don’t give that the dignity of a quote.
teacake wrote:
Syria is just making the claim because they see that Israed has consistantly been able to be blackmailed into giving up land for “peace”. They just want their chunk of the pie.
Israel needs to take back all their land and expel the enemy within. The Jordyptians can go back to one of the 57 Arabian lands.
@ Nevergiveup:
Nope, neither do I. How long ago was it Israel leveled their nuke ambitions?
Right, Girth is trying to score poins with Chuckie & his posse.
@ chickadee:
Like I said, they’ll never git it up without some kind of iron clad treaty or other guaranty. Until some weaponry makes it strategically unimportant.
@ RIX:
The big liztard.
Israeli MK Zevulun Orlev: “Jordan Is Palestine”
Avigdor Lieberman: ‘Land for Peace’ is Dead
teacake wrote:
Most of my friends and family in Israel feel real “Peace” is something
@ WrathofG-d:
Good,glad someone said it.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Yes, but they are delusional.
Nikis Knight wrote:
Actually, people did complain about it. It was the Brass that decided they couldn’t sacrifice their diversity in offending him.
.
Probably.
RIX wrote:
I am still pissed at the big (0) for calling me a “Teabagger” or anyone else for that matter. Do they call the patriots that where the original “Teapartiers” teabaggers?
OT
How juvenile is this idiot Gibbs? I swear, if everything was just hunky dory in this country right now, he would still act like a Jackass just to have a target. It amazes me that they don’t realize the more they attack her, the stronger they make her.
Tin Ear
Girth is an actual nic there? I thought that was a reference to Groovy. Me wonders if Girth is a sock? Groovy blogger should be Girth Nader.
vagabond trader wrote:
LOLteeheeguffawsnortchuckle!
such nice children
@ BBEV:
It is disgusting and they giggle like juveniles. Some president. ***spit***
Good evening, y’all!
@ snork:
(joining this OT sub-thread) Has anyone floated this idea about the “un-mata-hari”? I.e. that CJ’s fiance’ is the “un-mata-hari” not because of the way she looks (or whatever), but because she’s a he? Maybe an oblique reference to this guy’s sexual preference?
lobo91 wrote:
Israel would be fools if they allowed and “international” observer to hold that place. Remember the UN tents next to the hezballah tents in Lebannon?
WrathofG-d wrote:
Real peace is of course something. That they believe arabs will ever really agree to REAL peace, yes, that’s the delusion. Do they really think arabs would stop asking for more once they gave in to the unreasonable arab demands? Seems arab’s have a history of never being happy to what they get, or ever offering real peace.
BBEV wrote:
Nah, they call them old dead white guys, and ruin every thing they stood for.
@ GrandJunctionite:
Next they’ll resort to toilet humor.Talk about haters. Women, cops, Bible believers, gun owners, typical whiteys, retards,the elderly, obese Americans, smokers, have I missed anyone.
I’ve read enough By Obama & about him to conclude that he does not see the Boston Tea Partiers as patriots. I think that he views them as a bunch of greedy , typical White folk who did not want to pay taxes.
The Constitution? just a meaningless document with negative rights.
The Founding Fathers? Honky slave owners.
BBEV wrote:
This “teabagger” handle reflects very poorly on these vulgar bastards who use it to malign us. I’m not going to let it bother me. These fcks can call me what ever they want. I’m still going to show up, hold my signs, wave my American flag and raise my voice to help take back my country.
The morons who call me ‘teabagger’ are a speck of shit on my boot. I just wipe them off.
Don’t let them get to you. Their knees are knocking and they are wee weeing because they sense our power and momentum. If I was a dumb lib, I’d be scared too.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Not to be rude – but BUNK on that! Syria is a vassel of Iran and their actions in Lebannon alone should be example enough to forbid them access to the Golan Heights. THEY are the ones who positioned hezballah on the Israeli border right next to the UN tents.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
Goddess, you arrived home safe and sound!How much snow?
@ BBEV:
That bothers me too. And selrahc say we call ourselves “teabaggers” first is an out right lie.
Girth is a nic there & I doubt that it is CJ. He would take something heroic sounding. Beside the post wasn’t mean enough.
@ chickadee:
Preach it sista!
WrathofG-d wrote:
It’s about freaking time!!!
vagabond trader wrote:
Damn, sometimes you just got to.
@ vagabond trader:
have I missed anyone.
Just us greedy capitalists
He knows that the genesis of the usage is Cooper Anderson.
He lies to his slobering followers all of the time.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Pipedream!
The arabs want every inch of Israel. They won’t be satisfied with anything less. These asshole negotiators should for once ask the arabs, the muslims to define peace. It means something different to them than the rest of us.
WrathofG-d wrote:
No they are not and they also not delusional liberals. You and teacake would condemn them and all Israeli’s to endless violence and killing without any hope. I am sorry you 2 feel that way. I don’t.
vapig wrote:
And when have they ever allowed indescriminate fire from areas they control on the Golan since after 1967?
teacake wrote:
Call me when you move there and put your kids in the Israeli Army. Sorry to be so blunt, but your attitude is rather cavalier from the comfort of the USA
vagabond trader wrote:
Oh that went away when we turned it back on them. On that Mass election day when the headlines read: Tea Partiers Tea Bag Obama/Reid/Pelosi.
Then we became the the Tea Partiers agains.
heh
See ya.
teacake wrote:
They can’t even say Israel has a right to exist. How abt. saying that they do, for starters.
Not trusting arab’s is caviler? Giving in to their endless demands is cavalier? Always having to appease them is cavalier? How long has this been going on? I’ve seen nothing on the part of arabs to believe peace is ever possible by giving in to their demands. They have yet to show they are true to their word.
@ vapig:
Depends on who’s doing the “observing.”
When was the last attack from the Sinai?
There’s been a US battalion stationed there ever since Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Excused me but they take their orders from Iran. They are the ones who kidnapped that soldier in Israel. They are the ones who murdered Hirari in Lebannon. They are the ones who installed hezballah in Lebannon. To think they are benign is naive.
teacake wrote:
Trust but verify. And some arabs have been true to their word.
Nevergiveup wrote:
I would take a bullet for any Israeli! What you are asking for is for them to die.
you know…….i get that they need to pray but perhaps being a bus driver or train engineer or pilot is not a good career choice since you need to be on time for things….and the 5 a day mandatory prayer time will throw you off schedule
vapig wrote:
My comment was that the Golan is not analogous to Gaza. I stand by that statement.
vapig wrote:
No I am not. I am asking what all my Israeli friends and Family are asking for- Hope for a better life for their kids. And neither they nor I am nieve. We know the score and absolute rejectionism of any peace feelers under any circumstance is a prescriptoin for endless war.
lobo91 wrote:
Yes – well, you know who’s president now, don’t you? Can you imagine the ROE he’d place on the observers?
Nevergiveup wrote:
And I stand by my statement that no muzzie can be trusted. It’s in their book.
@ phoenixgirl:
Muslims are allowed to adjust their prayer times if they interfere with work.
This is just a Muslim doing stuff to irritate infidels.
Nevergiveup wrote:
If Israel took the gloves off and smashed their enemy they’d have peace.
@ vapig:
It’s actually set out in the agreement that established the mission, way back when.
Nothing says it would have to be American troops, either. The Brits could do it, or the Canadians…South Africa…Australia…Germany…
All it requires is establishing robust rules as part of the agreement, and troops who are willing to enforce them.
@ vagabond trader:
If you look at the satellite maps, you’ll see the huge white storm system over Pennsylvania with a small open spot.
That open spot is over my town.
vapig wrote:
But that is simply not true. The Syrians have basically been 100% good to every agreement they ever signed concerning the Golan Heights.
vapig wrote:
And short of nuclear weapons how should they do that?
lobo91 wrote:
In any Golan agreement it would have to be American. You know that, I know that, and the Israeli’s know that.
Excuse me but didn’t Syria already have a peace agreement with Israel? They attacked Israel and all the sudden, they need and want back the territory that they not only lost after they started a war, but what happened to the peace agreement they made before? Is there an expiration date on these things? Which arab nations have an agreement these days. Jordon? Egypt?
@ Nevergiveup:
Only because we’ve pretty much made ourselves the de facto third party involved in any Arab-Israeli peace negotiations.
From a military standpoint, any of those armies could be relied upon to do the job. As long as it’s not the French, Italians, or some African Union force.
@ teacake:
Syria doesn’t have a permanent peace treaty with Israel.
Only Egypt and Jordan do, of their immediate neighbors.
teacake wrote:
Differant regime in Syria and no the never had a peace treaty with Israel ever–not even today. Simply disengement agreements. Read some Middle East history. It might help you.
lobo91 wrote:
Actually i think we are the only Military that Israel trusts. And also the only Military strong enough.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Well, they changed their minds recently. Why? And if Israel gave every arab the land they so badly need, what all of Israel will be left? The arabs want Jerusalem and right of return on top of everything. I hear they want Tel Aviv too. Doesn’t matter what our opinions are, won’t affect a thing but we are still entitled to an opinion as Jews.
teacake wrote:
The Syrian’s have not changed their minds? I don’t know what you are talking about. They have always claimed the Golan as theirs. I don’t mind discussing stradegy, but please know what your talking about first,
lobo91 wrote:
A sort-of, maybe, treaty that meant shit. I see.
@ nil stooge:
Interesting thought, but I would think not for several reasons, the main one being that (and I mean this literally) he’s too conservative. Johnson’s a lot more radical these days.
@ teacake:
As opposed to an armistice agreement, which they do have.
An armistice ends a war, but that’s not really the same thing as a peace treaty.
lobo91 wrote:
They’ve had numerous lawsuits and substantial settlements based on the claim that they can’t.
Nevergiveup wrote:
What agreements?
@ snork:
Doesn’t make it true.
snork wrote:
The agreements not to allow third parties to launch attacks from Syria proper into Israel. The agreements not to fire into either Israel or Israel controlled Golan from Syria Proper. The agreement on troop concentrations in Syria adjacent to the Golan Heights. Those kind of agreements
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/golan_hts.html
lobo91 wrote:
Which to me is confusing and a matter of semantics. Hezbolah controls Syria or at least has a major influence. Why all the sudden is Syria making these demands. And why trust Hezbolah? Israel left Gaza and look what happened. Nevergiveup, you seem to think I’m insane for not trusting arabs. That does not make sense to me.
@ Nevergiveup:
All that means is they know what’s good for them. The paper is incidental.
Anyhow, its not like the Israeli government is going to read this blog and see that Teacake thinks fuck the arabs and will go by my opinion. lol Jezz.
@ lobo91:
I just wish some of the companies would actually go to court and fight rather than settle, which just invites more. The first out-of-court settlement is the reason why we have all the subsequent ones.
@ teacake:
Syria’s government isn’t run by Islamists. It’s like Iraq under Saddam. It’s a secular Ba’athist dictatorship.
teacake wrote:
I think your misinformed about alot of things. First of all Hezbolah does not control Syria. It is more like Syria has considerable influence over Hezbolah. And i don;t care who you trust or do not trust, but unless you want to be in an endless you better at least be able to find some common ground
snork wrote:
You can say that about any agreement. People’s and nations usually only do what is in their best interests. And in Syria’s case they tend NOT to be suicidal like others in the region
@ lobo91:
Sorta. The dad was a true Baathist. He destroyed the city of Hama to the tun of something like 25,000 dead in order to smack the Muslim Brotherhood. Junior is an Iranian lap dog, and while still a nominal Baathist, lets the Dinnerjacket have what he wants.
@ snork:
There’s nothing in Islamic law prohibiting Muslims from seeing piggy banks, or touching a plastic-wrapped package of bacon, or using alcohol-based hand sanitizer, yet some try to make those claims, too.
People need to learn the word “No.”
Or maybe, “You’re fired.”
@ snork:
The point is, he’s not an Islamist. He’s more interested in holding onto power than launching a suicidal war to kill Jews.
snork wrote:
Well he gets alot of financing from Iran but he is no Islamist. In fact his sect is only nominally recognized as being part of Islam
@ snork:
I definitely didn’t mean that guy in particular – just some guy, most any of which would qualify as the “un-mata-hari”.
And the oblique reference with the “Hari” in Dee’s characterization is just a guess based on this guy’s Wikipedia page which claims he’s one of the twenty most influential gays in the world. (Though I never heard of him till today, linked to by some article at Instapundit or somewhere.)
Britain is doomed.
They’re not going to be able to turn this around fast enough.
BBEV wrote:
Look at it this way. It’s better to be the teabagger than the one getting teabagged. Hey progs… “Suck’em!”
Democrats and lizards already knew what teabagging was. Republicans and Tea Partiers had to look it up.
Dude, it gets even worse. The lead article in the Daily Mail today has exposed that the Labour govt back in 2000 were acting on a secret agenda to double immigration in order to create a ‘multicultural’ society, among other things –and gain a substantial voting bloc of immigrants who would keep their party in power. A bunch of censored (because of the fear of public reaction) documents have just been uncovered through the Freedom of Information act that are truly shocking. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249797/Labour-threw-open-doors-mass-migration-secret-plot-make-multicultural-UK.html
Since this is a dead thread I will still offer one last opinion. If Syria was really interested in “peace” what ever that means to them, they would not even be making demands. They would be minding their own business regarding Israel, understanding that that region is necessary for Israel’s security.