Actually all non Muslims are in peril in the Middle East, yet if you read the news you would think that the people who are suffering the most are those in Gaza. The Copts go back long before the Islamic invasion of Egypt and are a direct link in the chain which goes back to the ancient Egyptians. Recently there has been a ludicrous attempt to promote “bi-nationalism” In Israel/Palestine which in effect would guarantee an Islamic Palestine on the ruins of Israel. What has happened to Lebanon since 1970 is a good indication as to how bi-nationalism really would work. Islam is not there to be “tolerated” or to coexist, but to dominate.
by Faith McDonnell
At midnight every January 6th, Christmas Eve Mass ends and the early hours of Christmas Day begin for the Coptic Church in Egypt. As Orthodox Christians, descendants of Egypt’s ancient Christianity that far outdates Islam [1], the Copts have to wait longer for Christmas festivities than those who celebrate on December 25. Perhaps to emphasize that the long-anticipated day has arrived, the Mass celebrating Christ’s birth ends with the joyous ringing of bells as Egyptian Christians, dressed in their finest clothes, head home to continue their Christmas celebrations.
It is unusual for church bells to ring before midnight. But such was the case this past January 6, 2010, at Mar Yohana (St. John’s) Church in Nag Hammadi, Upper Egypt, the town famous for the discovery of the Gnostic Gospels. The church’s pastor, Bishop Anba Kirollos, was concerned by threats made against the Christians and decided to start Mass an hour early. At 11:00 P.M., church bells rang and worshippers streamed out the doors. It was a perfect time for an attack on the Christian community.
Three cars drove by the church and masked men with automatic weapons shot into the crowd, eyewitnesses later told the Middle East Christian Association (MECA). The cars then drove down three nearby side streets, shooting more Copts. Eight Christians were killed, six young church deacons instantly. A Muslim security guard was also killed, and many worshippers injured.
“The Muslims promised us a wonderful Christmas,” one wounded parishioner told the Coptic News Bulletin, “I think the message is received now.” All further Christmas celebrations were cancelled. In a moment’s time, one of the most joyous days of the year for Christians was transformed into a day of horror and carnage. That was as much the goal of the Muslim gunmen as the actual shootings. Christian holy days and holy places are most often targeted. Just seven months before, Muslims in the village of Higaza opened fire on worshippers leaving an Easter Eve service, killing two young men and wounding a woman.
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Read the rest: Egypt’s Christians In Peril
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My disgust runneth over. Our “Christian” potus thinks he can charm his Islamist brothers into acting civilized? How stupid can he get. Never mind, that was rhetorical.
I thought of Egypt’s Copts when I read this story this morning, that Storagemanager had posted on his Winds of Babylon site:
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Mosul,-anti-Christian-violence:-two-murders-and-a-kidnapping-in-24-hours-17637.html
vagabond trader wrote:
Who said he is a Christian? I think he really is an atheist/Muslim.
@ Speranza:
Me too, thats why I used quotation marks.
@ vagabond trader:
He actually is a Socialist/atheist/Muslim.
When I was in school my roomate and friend was an Assyrian Christian girl from Iraq. Her family fled with their lives after Saddam Hussein took power.Even heretical muslims have no tolerance for Christians.They are hopeless.
In Mideast, Bet on a Strong Horse
A new book on Arab politics has diagnosed a pathology.
Speranza wrote:
I agree with you one hundred percent.It becomes more clear each day.
A Disease, wrapped around an Ideology, inside a Cult. ISLAM DELENDA EST.
@ Speranza:
I remember so well, when the other site’s mgr. was covering, live, a speech of Obama’s during the campaign, where Obama finally made the leap and spoke the words of what Jesus accomplished for us on the cross.
As Obama spoke those words, his face became so red with the “shame” of having to do such a thing to “buy off” the Christians, that it actually GLOWED…..and, almost before he was done saying the words, he let some thought “distract” himself, and his mouth was off and running on another subject, but the words had been said, and recorded –and, obviously, they have done their dirty work.
@ Speranza:
Gaiaist/socialist/atheist/muslim lover of himself worshipper.
@ vagabond trader:
It’s always easier for civilized people to act like barbarians than the other way around.
– Paraphrase of James Tiberius Kirk
@ Ma Sands:
So he glowed like Mr. Dinner Jacket at the UN?
A new blog: Bad Rachel
Hillary and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Foreign Policy Day(s)
@ Macker:
Did that happen? I did not watch, and didn’t hear of it…..
@ Ma Sands:
I remember that also. The shame of a liar,a poor liar at that. G-d works in mysterious ways indeed, too bad more people didn’t notice.
@ vagabond trader:
Thank you. –I have mentioned that several times since then, and no one else seemed to have caught that…….it is nice to be vindicated. : )
@ Ma Sands:
Linky?
vagabond trader wrote:
The only truth he ever told was his slip of the tongue in an ABC interview..’My Muslim faith.’
My cat is helping me navigate…
@ Macker:
No, I’m sorry…..wouldn’t know how to locate that, from so long ago, summer of ’08, I think……perhaps you could check with the mgr. of that other site?
/ : )
@ Iron Fist:
Little rascals.This big dum dum tries to squeeze his rotund self into the skinny space between the monitor and tower.He just doesn’t get how huge he is.
Back again, woof!
Somewhat OT.
Will the idiots in the White House ever get their acts together.
It’s one screw up after another.
President Obama’s new envoy to the Organization of Islamic Conference, Rashad Hussain, is at the center of a controversy over remarks attributed to him defending a man who later pleaded guilty to conspiring to aid a terrorist group.
The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs quoted Hussain in 2004 as calling Sami al-Arian the victim of “politically motivated persecutions” after al-Arian, a university professor, was charged in 2003 with heading U.S. operations of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
@ RIX:
Pat pat pat, good RIX.
Iron Fist wrote:
@ Iron Fist:
or this one
Stephanopolus had to walk him back, “You mean Christian.”
vagabond trader @ 25:
Forget the Pat pat pat, get them dogie treats out.
Grrrr, I should getr a treat.
@ RIX:
Jameson neat?
That’s what I’m thinkin, just not the liver ones.
RIX wrote:
“Yes. Yes, of course. What you said.”
Sorry to go OT on my own thread but I was digging and came up with these gems from 1/11/10 from the cesspool
ice v. Sharm-wow
535 iceweasel Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:44:49pm replyquote
re: #533 Jimmah
I can’t say I’m sorry she brought the real issue up. From the beginning of her vendetta against me she has been seeking ways to smear my character and pretend that this is all somehow about LGF. It is not. She has called me a liar multiple times, a narcissist, and a sociopath, and I took it all. She has been frantically emailing and IMing others, to enlist them in her campaign of hate.
It has been, and always has been, purely personally motivated, entirely by events occurring off the blog. It’s been going on for months.
I would never have divulged that information about her and did not, in all this time, no matter how nasty she has been to me. Even when people here asked me what it was about. Even when her spite and malice and envy led her to sneak back to an old thread to downding our wedding video– which was the moment when I lost all remaining sympathy for her.
Now it’s out, and in future should she try to malign me again, I will be linking these posts, so people can see exactly what this is all about. What it has always been about.
And now I intend to engage in no further discussion on the matter — or with her, ever again.
OT
This is big: Three Major Firms Pull Out of Climate Change Alliance
vagabond trader wrote:
Sounds good, in back of a Guiness.
It was just like that.
537 Jimmah Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:06:33pm replyquote
re: #535 iceweasel
Exactly. It’s unfortunate that Sharmuta dragged such personal matters up here, but having done so and lied about it, there was nothing else to do but to correct that lie.
It’s a shame this discussion had to take place, but it’s better on a dead thread like this.
538 Sharmuta Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:29:37pm replyquote
Lies.
539 Sharmuta Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:39:37pm replyquote
And some real ugliness.
@ Grimcargo:
3.8 TRILLION UPDINGS!
@ Speranza:
Oh my, that was what I heard rumors of. Tsk tsk, dog, meet old tricks.
oops, sorry RIX, guinness and Jameson coming up!
What’s the problem here? That all sounds pretty accurate, but I would throw in that she’s also a Sheltey.
RIX wrote:
WTF is a Sheltey?
Can you put out a bowl of Fritos with that?
I don’t want any fruit & water.
Is Sharmuta back? Wow! Cage Death Match!
Sorry, but my money is on Iceweasel.
A dog. It has to do with the last thread.
Irish Rose jumped in a gave it to both of them – iceweasel and Jimmah. Cato also puts his 2 cents in.
546 iceweasel Wed, Jan 13, 2010 2:35:21pm replyquote
re: #545 Jimmah
You should be apologising to iceweasel – she is the one you were lying about.
It will never happen. Just last night she dropped this little turd onto an active thread to continue to stir shit.
And was ignored by all, deservedly.
She has, and has always had, my email. Yet she continues to choose to use LGF for her own petty and personal vendettas, and for weird forms of emotional gratification, rather than behaving like an adult.
That comment I linked is merely another sad attempt by her to garner points from others for her newfound ‘religion’. Oh, and attention.
547 Irish Rose Thu, Jan 14, 2010 4:33:35am replyquote
You’re both assholes.
Grow the fuck up.
548 iceweasel Thu, Jan 14, 2010 4:38:38am replyquote
re: #547 Irish Rose
Physician, heal thyself.
You might want to apply your words to all involved in the discussion, not merely me and Jimmah.
549 Jimmah Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:11:30am replyquote
re: #547 Irish Rose
You’re both assholes.
Grow the fuck up.
I guess the mature thing would be to let Sharmuta’s slanders stand huh? Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. Want to lie about me or my wife? Go right ahead but don’t start crying when we set the record straight.
And someone who breezes on to a dead thread trying to stir up shit with nothing but downdings and name calling is the last person I will be taking advice on mature behaviour from.
PS – Remember you wrote me and invited me to contribute to your new blog? Just to let you know – I’m not interested.
551 Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:37:39pm replyquote
There aren’t enough martyr cookies in the world to satisfy some people.
@ Macker:
Read the previous thread.
(I hope. I have no bad blood from it)
She’s rabid. That series of shots is supposed to be really painful.
Iron Fist wrote:
No this exchange was from Jan.11, 2010.
Just realize, they are insane. All of them. Neurotic to the bone.
@ Ma Sands:
The Christian population of Iraq has be cut in 1/2 since our invasion. That’s why I don’t view Iraq highly in retrospect.
Rodan wrote:
That statistic is not being pushed in the MSM.
@ RIX:
Sheep-fan-opolus? Oh my, oh, my!
huckfunn wrote:
Excellent. Caterpillar was never on board with Zero. Zero lied abt. them to pass his Porkulus.
The CEO came and said NO, we are not hiring because of this bill, we are laying off more than ever.
Eat it Zero
Beautiful….oh, breathtaking, oh……lovely, oh……..marijuanaphobe.
Iron Fist wrote:
Noooo, look at the date.
@ Speranza:
Nope, when Christians and Jews die who cares. When it’s Muslims, It’s genocide!
I think that we all got out ok, grrrr.
@ Guggi:
Who would want to date Iceweasel? Eeeeewwwwwwwwee!
@ Speranza:
Why bring up the psychotic arsewhistle and her throwback spouse? Let them squat in the filth they have created.
Iron Fist wrote:
Fist, did you lose a bet?
Rodan wrote:
I am glad that Saddam is gone but I have no love for these people who have taken his place.
He was really trying to help out BHO. I’m sure that he would have done
the same for Sarah Palin./
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I just felt we needed a light hearted moment watching two of the worst of LGF go at each other. That’s all. Back to the topic at hand.
@ Speranza:
Exactly, we have replaced one Evil with another.
Ya ever been that drunk? Me either.
@ RIX:
LOL! Will do!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Buzz, I guilty of it too. I admit. There is an absolute train wreck quality to it.
But to be fair, my posts were mentioning the other person.
Iron Fist wrote:
Calender-date
Look at the calender-date !
Rodan wrote:
It is a lesser evil, however they are still Arabs and none of them are worth a damn.
@ Speranza:
I think cluck banned sharmie. After the nyt article, I’m thinking her reaction made her a detriment to his blog. And he had no interest in working thru anything with her. She had outlived her usefulness. Just like that. . . . Deleted.
@ Formercorpsman:
Here you go, FCM. Have a song on your lips.
@ chickadee:
You watching FOX? Did you see the story about Rashad Hussein, another terrorist enabler working for the enabler in chief. Un frikkin real.
Thank you, grrrr.
@ RIX:
Thanks for that info.
chickadee wrote:
I think so too. She must have written him some type of “bad crazy” email and he said to himself “WTF who needs this nutjob any more?” He obviously prefers asswhistle and Dimmah to Sharm-wow and Eye-rash Rose.
@ Speranza:
It’s Ironic that the US which is majority Christian, preisded over the decimation of one of the oldest Christian communities.
How Ironic, all in the name of Muslim Democracy!
Spit!
Rodan wrote:
I’m still out on that one. The facts are the facts no doubt. But I also think Iraq could very well be the catalyst for those protesting in Iran over the last year or two.
Don’t get me wrong, I certainly appreciate what has been the norm for 1400 years can’t be reversed in 10 years.
But if we can flip Iran, I think that just might be the domino we need to fall. I could be wrong, I admit.
De. nada
Rodan wrote:
The ultimate oxy-moron
@ Speranza:
He used Irish rose as his pittbull and once she wasn’t useful, he threw her under the bus.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Awesome!
@ Speranza:
I am glad that Saddam is gone but I have no love for these people who have taken his place.
Rodan wrote:
Is she banned now?
chickadee wrote:
No, she isn’t banned, she left the blog after ice outed her. ice&jimmah are a hellish beastlike couple.
@ Speranza:
i guess everyone has to agree with you for your opinion to matter. they act as if those dingy thingies actually matter.
Formercorpsman wrote:
I hope you are right, however Iraq needs to get greater control over its own internal security first. They have made great strides so far.
And they are democratic, they vote to kill all Infidels.
@ Speranza:
Muslim Democracy means Islamo-Imperialist parties like the AKP (Turkey), Hizballah (Lebanon), Hamas (Gaza) and the Muslim Brotherhood (Egypt) gain power. After all they do reflect the popular will of those countries.
Speranza wrote:
No doubt, you will not get an argument from me there.
Rorschach wrote:
Those silly Karma points the idjit instituted was the tolling of the death-knell for Little Green Balls.
@ Formercorpsman:
Actually Iran because it’s Persian not Arab is the most likely to go Pro American. I can see Iran, not Iraq being a long term American ally.
Guggi wrote:
If by that you mean that Jimmah is the Pithecanthropus version of Richard Dawkins and iceweasel is Andrea Dworkin in the grip of ‘roid rage, then yes.
Rodan wrote:
Very true. Even worse, Carter legitimizing the Hamas elections.
@ RIX:
Now you’re insulting Shelties.
Unlike her, Shelties are cute, and smart.
They’re just not good hunters.
Rodan wrote:
Even Turkey after almost 90 years of “Secularism” has an Islamofascist enalber like Erdogan in power.
Listen guys I am sorry for posting the Shamrm/Ice/Jimmah arguments from January. I just felt at the end of the day EDT we needed a bit of a chuckle.
vagabond trader wrote:
Zero is up to his arse in radicals. This is who he has always associated with. Nothing but radical scum from day one.
Rodan wrote:
Maybe one day. It was that way before.
Rodan wrote:
It was until we helped betray the Shah.
That actually is my point, it is about our security.
@ Guggi:
You mean the beast with two backs? EEEEWWWWWW!
@ Speranza:
The hellish couple is now after “bagua” with down dinging and name calling. Look at the end of the “Walter-CRU-data” thread from yesterday.
@ Speranza:
what do they do exactly? why are they so excited to have them?
Speranza wrote:
It is totally cool. It is the glue that binds us.
To me, it really is no different than how we all at one time would critique kos or huffpo. Charles has earned his rightful spot.
Rodan wrote:
What she did in having us closed down for an hour and the shit she stirred up at zombie’s place – I have zero sympathy for her.
Macker wrote:
Rodan wrote:
Perhaps we should start calling Iran “Persia” again?
What up Dawg?
@ Formercorpsman:
That’s what will happen once this regime is gone. It
‘s better to deal with Persian Nationalists who want to restore the Sassanian Empire, than Islamists who wnat a Caliphate.
Macker wrote:
I second the motion.
Formercorpsman wrote:
We are a banned of brothers. theblogmocracy (unlike BabbaZee’s place, GCP, and others) was specifically formed for ex LGFers and for any other conservatives who wanted to come aboard to regroup.
Macker wrote:
Be a good way to sell taking action against Iran—if Obama were going to take it. “US vs. Iran—this time, it’s Persianal!”
@ Rodan:
Hey, if they let the persian chicks out of the bag, that would be cool too.
(Sorry)
@ Macker:
They used to be. I went to school with a guy who lived there and taught English back in the early 1970s when teachers couldn’t get jobs around here. He loved it and the pay was tremendous for the time.
@ Macker:
You know why it’s Iran and not Persia?
Back in the 30′s one of the Shahs was so taken into the Nazi talk of Aryan super race, that he renamed the country Iran or land of the Aryans. He did this because his point was that Iran was the homeland of Aryans.
Speranza wrote:
Indeed.
Rorschach wrote:
They get to be first in line to lick Chunk’s expanding buttocks.
@ Formercorpsman:
Persian women are hot! I dated one back in the late 90′s. I was a jerk at the time and didn’t take her serious. Oh well!
@ Speranza:
Jimmy Carter! The enabler of islamism!
@ Speranza:
Which is great, if you think history began in 1979.
We actually put the Shah in power in the first place, and overthrew an elected government to do it.
While it’s true that the Iranian government under the Shah was pro-US (big surprise), the Iranian people were not.
Without having much access to public opinion in Iran today, I don’t know how much that’s changed in the last 30 years.
Rodan wrote:
Even worse if she took you serious. Sorry to hear that, man.
Rodan wrote:
yes they are very attractive. Actually rather European looking combined with being somewhat exotic.They have beautiful big black yes.
@ Speranza:
EEEEWWWWWW!
#92 Rodan
I can see Iran, not Iraq being a long term American ally.
And we all know how well America treats her allies.
The Shah was not available for comment.
//sarc
@ Speranza:
They resemble Greek/Italian/Southern Spanish women.
@ Rodan:
Wow, never knew that.
lobo91 wrote:
We helped overthrow a Marxist progressive in Mossadegh whou would eventually have turned into as much a dictator as Nasser, Castro, and other tyrants. He would have eventually aligned with the USSSR.
@ Buckeye Abroad:
The Shah was not available for comment.
Isn’t that the truth!
@ vagabond trader:
Yup! The Shah at the time was doing it to impress Hitler.
@ Speranza:
EEEEEEEEEEEeeeeewwwwww! I did not need that visual after dinner.
Speranza wrote:
That certainly gives new meaning to the term “Pacific Rim.”
lobo91 wrote:
Just about every Iranian exile or observer of Iran says that the young people (Iran is overwhelmingly populated by people born since 1979) are pro American precisely because the hated Iranian regime is anti American.
@ Macker:
She did, that’s the sad part!
Holy Shit! You gotta see this!
Speranza wrote:
I still go to the other places at times too. I also respect their policy of not wanting to mention it. As far as I am concerned, Babba, Writer Mom, and the folks there are great. We have a great time when I get a chance to stop in.
For me, if I want to speak my mind about something I think is asinine, then I will. We do that here. My feeling, it is fair game. They have decided to open themselves up for critique, so be it. Nothing nasty, but they want to play, then lets play.
No different than any other blog out there as far as I am concerned. It is blogging. I am perfectly fine with pointing out when someone is making an ass out fo themself.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
LOL! :LOL:
@ Rodan:
When you and I meet, I will buy you the alcoholic beverage of your choice so you can drown your sorrows in it.
Guggi wrote:
What makes you think she isn’t banned. I can’t imagine her not saying something of a farewell. It isn’t her style to just clam up. Ice scrunt is a fcking little hairy beast. She will be shocked when cluck deletes her. She is too stupid and vulgar. She won’t work out when he tries to stabilize his free fall.
@ Speranza:
While that was what the Brits told the Eisenhower administration, I’ve never seen any evidence to support the claim.
It’s also pretty hard to predict what might have happened.
Sorry, but the 1979 revolution can be traced directly to the 1953 coup that we engineered.
@ chickadee:
I guess she will have to suck his s**t-covered d**k to stay there.
@ Macker:
india paki border…there is NO brit influence to be seen in that clip there…
/s
See ya later. Gonna see if I can get someone to take me for a walk after dinner, grrrrr.
@ Macker:
Ah, the glory and pageantry of the mystic East.
@ Formercorpsman:
Hey I like those people too (particularly Pink Freud). They have their reasons for running their blogs the way they want to.
@ lobo91:
Maybe so, but the Islamofascists stepped over the line when they took the Hostages.
lobo91 wrote:
Wrong. The 1979 Revolution can be traced to the reactionaries opposing the Shah’s modernization of Iran. Mossadegh was the Allende of Iran.
@ Speranza:
Just as all the Iraqi exiles said that we’d be hailed as liberators after overthrowing Saddam.
I’m not saying they’re wrong. I’m just suggesting that you consider the source.
@ Speranza:
I know. Sorry if it sounded as if you did not. Was not my intention.
@ Rorschach:
They are necessary. How dare you question the power of the ding?
Speranza wrote:
Well, I was banned. Granted, after only …..um, maybe a year. But I have to tell you that I don’t watch soap operas or reality TV and there’s not a spec of difference ‘tween that and the incessant goings-on here about LGF.
When a thread here hits critical mass …i.e. more posts about LGF than not, I bail and go elsewhere, to return sometime later and try the newest thread.
I know. Tough darts. It’s a free country. And Blogmocracy.
But consider that I am your target audience. Very Conservative, lifelong supporter of Isrial, AGW denier for many years, etc.etc.
I’ve heard here that there is interest in growing this Blog. I am of the opinion that won’t happen to any great extent as long as every thread gets diverted into endless posts that the average non-banned person will neither understand nor appreciate.
I won’t give up. I’ll just keep doing what I do.
But then, he,he,he, …I was banned ….
@ Macker:
With all the good natured strutting ceremony you’d think these people could get along.Next day the jihadis probably blew up a temple or something.
94. Formercorpsman
Even worse, Carter legitimizing the Hamas elections.
If you recall the Hugo Chavez election in 2002 (IIRC), Carter came down, blessed the results as fraud-free and got back on the plane. A couple of years later I was working with a consultant who fled Venezuela who told me the rumor in the streets of Caracas was that Carter got a cool $1 million for it.
He is a vile old man, so I wouldn’t put it past him.
@ Speranza:
I’m not interested in entering into another argument with people here today.
Believe what you like.
@ lobo91:
n that I’ll agree with you. But do you remember the kid that ran across the plaza with an American flag streaming when the statue of Saddam came down? We were welcomed as liberators. Liberation was just messy.
lobo91 wrote:
The young peopel of Iran hate the mullahcrocy that represses them. They do not have to become ardent pro Americans but they hate the current regime that promises them death in a nuclear war in order for the hidden 12 Iman return.
@ lobo91:
Shoulda nuked ‘em.
Seriously, you make the case for extreme measures. We could have declared Pax Americana after Hiroshima. Maybe we should have.
@ grambo:
Cannot disagree but its tough not to get caught up in it on occasion.They are certainly unworthy of all the attention they receive.
@ grambo:
Ok no more surfing over there for idiotic psots.
@ Iron Fist:
I’m always wary of putting too much faith in the opinions of exiles and ex-pats about the places they left. They usually left them for a reason.
It’s like basing your opinion of how Muslims think based on your experiences with your next-door neighbor who’s an engineer who came here from Pakistan.
If he came here because he recognized that Pakistan was a shithole that’s never going to improve while its society is dominated by Islamists, he’s probably not a good source of information on how the majority of Pakistanis think.
chickadee wrote:
Hey, chick; glad you took note. I’m hoping that the thread gods will also take note and run with the ball. The global warming thing is coming unspooled on a daily basis and the pace seems to be accelerating. There is a group of major corporations that are partners in shaping “climate change” policy and legislation. That group is known as USCAP. BP, Conoco-Phillips and Caterpillar have pulled out of that group and I am hoping that more member corporations will feel the heat of public scrutiny and make their exit.
chickadee wrote:
Some “lizards” were discussing it and were looking at her account and no, she isn’t banned. She only disappeared. To be fair: after this catfight (outing her from private emails as a bum) she couldn’t stay any longer, she had lost the fight.
@ RIX:
Bye RIX, don’t eat the yellow snow!
@ Macker:
Oh noes. I can’t think abt. that. not going to think abt. it. la la la la la la la la la
yuck
@ Speranza:
No, but these same kids might consider turning Tel Avive into a radioactive parking lot a good thing. We haven’t done anything to make them think that there will be catestrophic consequences to such an act. We spent a month telling the Taliban we were coming. We’ll spend years telling the Iranians. And then we’ll never come.
@ Iron Fist:
Maybe so, but it’s a little late now.
@ chickadee:
Gaaaaaaah, between that and Speranzas comment I’m ready to hurl.
@ grambo:
Understandable.
I think you can probably say, this blog has been following such a course for a number of months now. It certainly seems to me, the focus has surely shifted from the topic of lgf, to other issues important to what you describe.
At least from what I can see, the bashing has really slowed up. I was there for a while, and many other were than much longer. Despite most of us not knowing each other if we were to trip over each other, there was a very unusual dynamic involved. I don’t have the right words for it, but the old crew had a symbiotic feel I never got any other place.
So please hang in there. This blog is doing good things, and forgive those of us who still chew on this bone probably too much still. I appreciate you response to me, seriously.
coldwarrior wrote:
It was cute. Maybe they will just keep having happy high step competitions and not go to war.
What a great way to work out conflict.
@ Iron Fist:
Yo make some good points. Anyway I am out for the evening.
grambo wrote:
hell, i do that too, and i ‘work’ here!
Iron Fist wrote:
You reminded me of a picture of a friend of mine there just after the liberation:
Rachel and Friend
Everyone was a lot more optimistic in those brief days ….
@ grambo:
eh???? 404 ?
Trying again
@ grambo:
I do not think that we anticipated the “insurgency” as we should have. I think we felt that once we overthrew Saddam, that was going to be the tough part. Actually getting rid of Saddam was surprisingly easy. Bush wasted three years until he went with the surge strategy.
@ Speranza:
Should have secured the borders too.
Macker @134 Them people are Nuckin Futz!!
Admins. when ever i hit reply or quote i get this
WARNING! Add “ID=’comment’” into the field in the file ‘comment.php’ of your theme.
this mean anything to you?
Have a good night guys, I’m still at work trying to tie up some loose ends. I need to get out of here. Catch you later.
@ grambo:
@ Formercorpsman:
@ coldwarrior:
I guess my feelings weren’t all that crushed when I got punted from LGF (I was looking for a blog when I got there) as I don’t take all of this as seriously as some folks do. It’s entertaining and I love to vent my spleen; not so much toward individuals, but toward the forces that are trying to subvert this country. I don’t feel any need to participate in the hysterical anti-chunkles thing. He’s a yutz; OK; I’m done. Just a note. I think that I was the only one who ever got a hat tip on my first post. Yipp-f’nnn-eee. Anyhoo; we gotta take down the climate scammers.
@ maxhdrm:
Get off this blog!!!
Then come back and newly sign in with your password.
(Worked for me.)
maxhdrm wrote:
it did that to me too, then i re-logged in and it stopped
@ huckfunn:
it can turn into a rowdy here sometimes, we like that.
we can be serious too, when needed.
one day we will be over the obscure jazz guitarists and his cult
@ Speranza:
The problem was that the plan didn’t anticipate the reaction of Saddam’s government and military. They basically abandoned their posts, for the most part.
The expectation was that it was going to be a lot more like the battle for Berlin in 1945. Whether Saddam was captured or killed in the process, the planners believed that we would have to militarily defeat them, and then some representative of the government would surrender.
Had that happened, things would have been much different.
Instead Saddam’s military and government basically evaporated, and started an insurgency against us. Then jihadists from all over the Islamic world decided to come and play.
The single biggest mistake of the war, though, was putting Bremer in charge in Baghdad.
He couldn’t manage a Taco Bell.
@ lobo91:
What I didn’t expect was that we’d be “rebuilding” that which we didn’t break into an islamic republic. Period.
ok thanks for the advice…be right back.
@ coldwarrior:
I hear ya. I’ve done plenty of rowdy. MP duty in Thailand was like being a bouncer in SE Asia’s biggist and bestest ho-house. What a rip that was. I’m just bored with the endless LGF bash, but I like alot of the other direction of the threads. I’ll contribute to this joint as best I can.
Cheers,
@ wolfie:
@ coldwarrior:
thanks gents…obviously it worked.
@ huckfunn:
blogmocracy is going to be by definition a little rowdy, and sometimes the topics will be, well, they will be what they are.
@ coldwarrior:
Good ‘nuf for me.
@ waldensianspirit:
Once Bremer issued orders basically disestablishing what remained of both the Iraqi military and its civil government, it became our responsibility.
And Iraq today isn’t an “Islamic Republic.” It isn’t governed by Sharia law.
Yes, religion is a bigger part of life there than it is in Western countries, but if you think you’re going to create a strictly secular state in the heart of the Islamic world, without it ending up as a dictatorship, you’re dreaming.
@ lobo91:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq
@ waldensianspirit:
Yes, I’m well aware of what Wikipedia says about it.
And then there’s reality.
Is Iraq governed by Sharia law today? Does it have a religious council that gets to veto laws passed by its legislature, like Iran does?
conventional long form: Republic of Iraq
@ lobo91:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/iz.html CIA says:
but what does ICJ mean?
off the top of my head:international court of justice, i think
@ coldwarrior:
I believe that’s correct.
@ coldwarrior:
hmmm, which reminds me, the ICC outfit in Belgium hasn’t been clamoring to hang Bush and Cheney of late. Wonder what got them to shut up.
At any rate, have you heard of anyone being sentenced by an Iraqi court to stoning, or having their hand cut off?
@ lobo91:
It will come. There is no doubt in my mind the mullahs still reign; just biding their time.
@ waldensianspirit:
i dunno if the population of iraq is that devout to have full blown mullahocracy. time will tell tho
Remember Four Southern Baptist missionaries killed in Iraq drive-by shooting [2004]? If the same thing were tried today it would be the same outcome.
@ waldensianspirit:
Well, as I said on a previous thread, my Magic 8 Ball is in the shop.
I’ve seen nothing to suggest any such future for Iraq, though.
@ waldensianspirit:
And northern college students were killed in the south while trying to register black people to vote in the early 1960s, too.
Personally, I think Baptist missionaries going to Iraq are probably not all that bright, even today.
Doing so in 2004 was downright stupid.
@ coldwarrior:
I seriously doubt that the Sunnis or the Kurds would be too open to the idea, under any circumstances.
Best case, it would lead to civil war.
lobo91 wrote:
and then the joint can turn into 3 countries like it should be imho.
lobo91 wrote:
darwin award winners.
morons
@ coldwarrior:
Which would end up in a perpetual state of war against one another, because of the distribution of resources. The Sunnis wouldn’t have any oil, for one thing.
It might have worked as three semi-autonomous regions with some sort of federal government.
@ coldwarrior:
Much like the idiots who were hiking in Iraq and wandered into Iran.
Who the hell goes to Iraq for a hiking trip?
lobo91 wrote:
yeah it would be unstable…but as long as the violence didnt spill over…
Speaking of clueless, did you catch this comment that was dropped a couple threads back?
Ben_Dover wrote:
It’s been awhile since I’ve seen anything so factually inaccurate posted here. Probably since the days of Champion.
lobo91 wrote:
just to nit pic…how can a people be all that homogeneous if they speak 2 separate languages.
and the stingers helped, but werent the only reason…
@ coldwarrior:
And we certainly didn’t win in Iraq by “pitting groups against each other.”
@ lobo91:
its a weak post.
@ coldwarrior:
You’re in a more charitable mood than I am.
lobo91 wrote:
i had a better day than u!
@ coldwarrior:
I haven’t had many good days lately, especially now that it looks like I’m going to be divorced soon.
@ lobo91:
uh oh…was this a surprise or a long run up
i’ve done my divorce duty already.
@ coldwarrior:
Things have been going downhill rapidly since she started grad school last fall.
On the plus side, at least it’s fairly simple in Colorado. You don’t even have to go to court if both parties agree. Just file a petition with the court clerk’s office, and they mail you the completed documents in a few weeks.
@ lobo91:
well the ease and lack of lawyers will help.
both sides going to be ‘amicable’?
@ coldwarrior:
Yeah. I’m not in the mood for a fight anymore.
If she wants to be on her own, with no income, that’s her choice.
@ lobo91:
keep yer head up, it gets better…trust me, i know about this topic.
@ coldwarrior:
My main concern at the moment is what to do with the dog if I go overseas.
@ lobo91:
hmmm….thats a problem that can be solved.
are there any services at ft carson for pets, like foster parents thing
@ coldwarrior:
Not that I’m aware of, although I don’t really go down there much.
I live at the other end of town, close to the AFA. Ft Carson’s almost 20 miles from here.
@ lobo91:
call yer counterparts down there and ask.
it seems to me that a division sized post should have something like that.
If it really comes down to it, I’ll try to get someone from my unit to take care of her.
Worst case, I could always take her down to my mom’s place in NM. She really isn’t any trouble, which is good.
Does have to go to the groomer periodically, though. Not sure if they actually have one where my mom lives, now that I think about it.
She looks a lot like this dog, except the white on her chest goes all the way around her neck, like a mane.
@ lobo91:
my neighbor has one of those, cool dog
You can tell she’s a herding dog when she’s running around at the dog park.
She’s able to execute a 180 degree turn within the length of her body from a full run.
@ lobo91:
yeah, my neighbor’s tries to round up the neighbor kids when they are running around in the field…busy animal!
Well, I need to get something to eat, after which I’m probably going to go kill some Klingons in Star Trek Online.
Thanks for listening.
@ lobo91:
u bet
lobo91 wrote:
No different 2010 and beyond. This is where you and coldwarrior don’t get it. You say they weren’t too bright but they knew/know something you don’t. That unless islam[anti-Truth] is replaced with Truth, any area of the world is fucked.