Hi all, we have been in email conversation with the EDL, and they (Trevor) have a message for us here at the Blogmocracy: so i’ll just cut and paste the email from them and let it speak for itself.
Hi coldwarrior (and crew!)
I have attached a piece for your site as promised. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to have our say, I hope that you’re readers will see that there really is nothing controversial at all about our organisation.
Please let me know if I have missed anything.
Regards,
Trevor.
► Hot LinksWho are the English Defence League? Exposing the myths
We the English Defence League are a grass roots social movement who represent every walk of life, every race, every creed and every colour from the working class to middle England our unity and diversity is our strength. We have members that represent our rich and cultural “patriotic” nation loving populace who can see the threat of “Islamism” for what it is, that is a vile and virulent ideology based off of 7th century barbarity, intolerance, hatred, subjugation and war.
The English Defence League members recognise this threat as one that must be stopped at all costs, our Christian, Jewish, Sikh, and Hindu friends all have tales to tell with regard to Islamic Imperialism and “Orthodox Teachings”, in particular the Wahhabi/Salafi doctrine of “killing unbelievers if they refuse to be subdued by Islam” as the Quran points out in surah 5 verse 33…….
“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter”
Of course this all depends on the context of what “waging war” entails, and of course what constitutes “mischief in the land”. Well to Islamists the very notion of not believing in Allah means that you should be punished as that is considered an act of war, an act of mischief that should be duly punished as Allah ordains clearly here in this verse.
As a movement we don’t hate on all Muslims, we respect their right to practice their religion peacefully as long as it does not infringe on our culture, our way of life, our rule of law and our customs. If any non Muslim was to visit a Muslim country then that person would be expected to respect their rule of law, their culture, their way of life and who would disagree with that? What we don’t agree with are Muslims trying to import a doctrine of hate, intolerance and murder, then try to promote it and institutionalise it through unregulated Mosques that are funded by Wahhabist petro dollars as it stealthily creeps sharia into our legal system. This Islamic legal system persecutes women to the mere status of a man’s “property”. It does not recognise marital rape, it does not recognise gay rights, it does not recognise many factors contained in the Universal Declaration Of Human Rights. We have had enough, why should anyone tolerate intolerance?Again we must re-iterate that we do not have any problem with law abiding, respectful, peaceful Muslims who integrate and contribute positively in society, Muslims who love and respect our country are welcome. The EDL was never set up to discriminate against all Muslims.
We get asked many times by many different organisations and many different people what are the reasons for the English Defence Leagues existence? What are our goals, and aspirations?
We exist simply to pursue and extinguish an Islamist scourge, a scourge that has been left to fester and multiply like a malignant social cancer, with little intervention from our government who are at best apathetic, at worst they are willingly blind to the threat of militant Islam. When Anjem Choudary and his jihadist cohorts shouted abuse at our soldiers returning home from Iraq the united people of Luton took a stand against them, it was from that point onwards the British people united under one cause to highlight the danger of appeasing those who wish us harm, those who happily take from our welfare system yet hate our country, our people and way of life. You may follow these events from this link here……
If it were not for the inaction of government to deal properly with this form of Islamic fascism there would be no need for groups such as The English Defence League, Welsh Defence League, Scottish Defence League and Ulster Defence League to counter this threat on the streets and on-line. Appeasing those who follow an ideology of hatred, murder and intolerance hardly enhances “community cohesion”, it destroys it. Our movement is purely set up to pressure whatever government we have in power to deal with this menace and undo all the damage caused by apathy and appeasement. We oppose the introduction of sharia law into our legal system because sharia law allows a husband to “beat” his wife! Is that acceptable behaviour in the 21st century we ask????
We oppose the building of any more mosques until the problem of Islamism is dealt with. Mosques must be regulated properly, imams vetted for their suitability, and mosque attendees monitored for any radical inclination. The change has to start within the Muslim community but that is proving very hard when Saudi petro dollars are funding a “fundamental” interpretation of Islam within the United Kingdom Of Great Britain. We want our country back!!!Here is a good example as to the reasons why we don’t want any more Mosques built until these issues have been effectively dealt with. This article is written by a former radical Muslim by the name of Ed Husain…..
[How Britain's mosques foster extremism]
Notice what he says and i quote from his article in the Times……
“We found that 97 per cent of imams, or leaders, were from overseas and 92 per cent were educated abroad, mostly in Pakistan or Bangladesh. Almost all mosques are controlled by first-generation immigrant men, leaving most British Muslims -- women and young people -- out of the management structure.”
If this isn’t enough to wake up weak governance then what is?
The EDL are wrongly painted as racists, Nazis and Muslim haters. This simply isn’t true. We do know that some groups have tried to cause trouble, and that some “agent provocateurs” have instigated trouble, groups such as Combat 18, Blood And Honour, Antifa, UAF, their Communist sympathisers and anarchists. As a movement we have been attacked by the far left and the far right, we have had to endure a state sponsored smear campaign used against us from the offset by the state controlled political elite media machine. Apparently we are Nazis because we love our country, because we have the backbone to stand firm in the face of Islamic adversity rather than ignore it, hoping it will go away.
We set out our stall very early on, we are not racist, we don’t like Nazis, we don’t want Nazis joining our demos. We embrace patriotism as something that transcends race, religion, creed and colour. A love for our country is not a crime, a love for freedom is not a crime, but a need for security and the removal of those who pose a threat is just common sense…….
The EDL are a multi ethnic, multi religious movement and we are proud of that. We laugh at all those who attack us for being “race traitors”, we mock those who call us “Nazis and racists” we are the EDL, we are neither of those things, we never will be. In fact our main speaker at demonstrations, Guramit Singh is a Sikh of Indian origin. The far left dismissed him as an “uncle Tom”, a phrase which I would find quite offensive. This is a tone they have adopted when referring to any of our members who are not “white” in order for them to continue with their campaign against us.
People also ask us if we will ever become a political party and the answer to that is, we don’t seek to become a political party, we support political parties who will deal with the threat of Islamism, our aim and focus is to put pressure on whatever government is in power to deal effectively with this cancer. For far too long this government has ignored its people, now its people demand to be heard in this bastion of democracy. Freedom of speech shall prevail, we will be supporting Geert Wilders on his visit to our country to show his film fitna after our government turned him away on the first attempt. Our government holds its people in contempt and we will not tolerate this any longer. Good governance is achieved by listening to the people and working for the people.
It is during these tenuous times where we look to our American brothers and sisters for help and support, we see EDL members imprisoned for very “minor” offences, then thrown in jail only to be beaten by known Islamic terrorists gangs. It is as if the government want to intimidate us into silence, however we will not be intimidated, we will never surrender.
We hear of people of all colours getting beaten up by Muslim gangs on the streets just because they are non Muslim and our government turn a blind eye to this!!! We will open their eyes, we will make them listen, we won’t accept anything less than concrete action that yields very visible results. They have got us into this mess so it is down to them to clean it up.Long live the free,
Trevor
Tags: EDL, English Defense League
Critical point. In the US, in Europe, wherever in the world the existing elites refuse to deal with a problem that clearly calls for a response, the elites, as represented by the centrist mainstream parties, cede legitimacy to the more extreme parties. This is why people are sometimes bedding down with some of the more odious elements of the extremes. It’s because the center parties have abrogated their responsibility to deal with clear and present danger. Don’t cry to me about Vlaams Belang showing up at some of these meeting, when the centrist parties chose to pretend that there’s no problem. Don’t complain that a few Birchers are at the Tea Parties, when the Democrats have become an extremist party.
I am undecided. When I read articles like this one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/7333420/Islamic-radicals-infiltrate-the-Labour-Party.html
I am inclined to be sympathetic to their cause, but I don’t have enough first hand knowledge.
agreed! with post 1!
Trevor sounds very sane and rational, which is why the Left is freaking out over the EDL as if it’s the second coming of Hitler. I’m sure there are going to be some radical-racist types joining the organization, though. Not sure how the EDL can defend itself from this kind of maggot-infestation.
coldwarrior wrote:
with 1 or 2?
snowcrash wrote:
islamists have infiltrated our state dept and many other gov areas, how do you feel about that? Are you in the US?
just something to mke you go hmmmmmm
i sent out an invite to the edl forum for them to come on over and comment if they would like…so rodan wants to leave this post as a sticky up for a day i think.
rain of lead wrote:
I’ll say
@ coldwarrior:
that would be cool
here’s first hand accounts of an EDL march
Raging and Seething commences at LFG in 5…4…3….
Macker wrote:
bwahahahahaha!
@ Macker:
Oh yeah, The Jazz Artist will attack.
@ snork:
I agree 100% with what you just wrote!
People have a right to protect themselves from the taqiyya speaking muzz and their allies.Best of luck to these folks, hope it isn’t too late.We’re really up against it between polticians and brainwashed citizens, and a complicit media who may believe that sharia and freedom are compatible or desire the destruction of western civilazation.
Take off the fucking masks and then we can talk face to face.
IslandLibertarian wrote:
Borders, Language, Culture. The same concepts which got Michael Savage Banned from the UK. I don’t blame them.
@ IslandLibertarian:
They’re at risk from losing jobs and getting attacked by Islamo Terror gangs. They actually don’t always wear masks.
@ Macker:
It’s about time someone stands up to the Colonialists.
@ vagabond trader:
Amen, they are standing up for their country. The Imperialists have created No go zones have achieved Defacto control of the UK. They have to stand up for themselves.
it would be cool if some EDL members would drop by and chat
IslandLibertarian wrote:
sometimes they have to protect their identities….the muzz will go after them and their families.
@ rain of lead:
We sent the invite. This was originally supposed to run Monday, but we had to go with it now. They emailed Pamela also so we had to go a day early. We wanted Monday to get exposure, Sunday is a slow day.
rain of lead wrote:
we are getting the ‘alliance together’ so watch the site…much more to come
oh hell if Pam at Atlas is involved snowball at BVoAF is gonna lose his frakkin mind.
Heh.
rain of lead wrote:
yep, open invite to the EDL!
i just sent out the formal invite to their forum…so we will be chatting, i’m sure
@ Rodan:
Sorry, but I can’t buy that. The masks are a form of thuggish threat. Like Brown Shirts or the anonymous threat of KGB or masked “Pali” terrorists. I would not play “Tonto” to these guys.
Pam Geller is a proud Jewish woman, well informed in the ways of Islamic infiltration of the west. If she says the EDL are ok I will take her word until something causes me to believe otherwise.
rain of lead wrote:
yeah, they cc’ed her the letter too, we asked for it and opened the channels…
oh well, more exposure for them1
Bestowing tolerance upon the intolerant is no less than cultural suicide. This MUST be a two way street. When I see Judaism and Christianity tolerated in ALL Muslim countries as Islam is now tolerated in the west, then I will concede that they are worthy of our tolerance.
Until that time comes, I will continue to consider them the enemy.
@ MacDuff:
3.8 TRILLION UPDINGS!
@ IslandLibertarian:
if I read the EDL article right, they got lot’s of attention from the cops re ID’s and such
Fck the BVofAF, completely irrelevant since their surrender to the left and muzz.I do not start my day wondering if this or that is going to be agreeable to that pile of sh!t for brains.
IslandLibertarian wrote:
i dont think you fully understand the violence that these guys are up against…i do see your concern about the masks tho. i’ll try to get some clarification from them on the topic
Long Live the Spirit of 1688!
We revolted because we weren’t given the rights Of Englishmen. People have immigrated to the UK to enjoy those rights. Now, there are those who want to take them away. Time for another “Glorious” and “Bloodless Revolution”. A “Very British Coup” indeed.
@ MacDuff:
What macker said!
@ IslandLibertarian:
ok…here ya go: they dont wear the masks in public or during demos, just for some videos to protect themselves from muzz thugs
IslandLibertarian wrote:
Also, when your own government protects the militants and not the citizens, and with as much surveillance cameras as the UK has, I wouldn’t jump to judgments.
@ vagabond trader:
true but I do like stuff that will piss off them’s at 1.0
again….Heh
@ teacake:
This is exactly what is going on in the nanny state of the UK.Coexist pc run amok at the expense of law abiding citizens.
This does seem somewhat to be on topic…..same part of the world…..and I am sure its focus on taxation encompasses the topic at hand…..it cannot but! : )
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100027366/british-tea-party-movement-to-launch-on-saturday/
@ rain of lead:
The idiot in charge is running an apology for Al frikkin Gore.
Good Grief
vagabond trader wrote:
the EDL is just a bunch of average brits that have simply had enough, they have been pushed far enough and are taking a stand. they want their culture and country back.
(OT…if anyone is thinking of a good time to invade north america, now would be it! canada v us in hockey!)
vagabond trader wrote:
tax paying citizens as well – seems like the UK is being forced to live like Israelis do.
@ coldwarrior:
Is that where everyone is?
@ teacake:
In the UK tax evasion by law abiding citizens is not an option.
vagabond trader wrote:
yep….
so this EDL post and such are going to be a stickey on the side for a few days. i want everyone to have a chance to read and comment on this
@ coldwarrior:
Blasphemy here,I don’t care about hockey or the olympics. There I said it.
I wonder if there is any nation who protects their own citizens from islamic conquest?
@ vagabond trader:
“Coexist” is an inequitable bargain unless all sides agree. Until Islam agrees, as have all other parties, “coexistance” equals surrender.
@ coldwarrior:
A video with masked men making political statements is a turn off to me. Always will be.
Think Klan.
vagabond trader wrote:
hehe me too. My love of any sort of sports was limited to the superbowl that one time.
teacake wrote:
Until we believe what they have consistently postulated thus taking them at their word; no.
IslandLibertarian wrote:
I think of hezbollah which makes it rather fair game. People have the right to protect their identity in a police state, especially when the police protect the enemy
vagabond trader wrote:
I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tells ya!
God bless the EDL and go Canada!
@ teacake:
Look at the places becoming overrun with muzz. Almost every single one of them has totally disarmed its citizens.That in itself should frighten people. Guns and free speech, always the first to go in a totalitarian society.
@ jeppo:
lol, hi jeppo.
@ jeppo:
Perhaps the EDL could use your look?
@ vagabond trader:
Aside from that, the UK and the US has put way to many islamists into high gov positions. I can’t think of any nation that has done that with the enemy, other than Israel.
IslandLibertarian wrote:
A point well made. Masks make me uneasy, as well. On the other hand, considering realities such as fatwas and a number of murders of European resistors of Islamism, it could be considered prudent.
In the case of the Klan, they are protecting their reputations rather than the very lives of themselves and their families. In fact, in the early days of the Klan, the masks were a form of intimidation and terrorism, since the racist views of the participants were common knowledge.
@ vagabond trader:
How’s it going VT?
teacake wrote:
Well, they_are_a colourblind organization
Nice day out, better go for a bit.
@ jeppo:
3 more years and counting!
vagabond trader wrote:
Thread in the kitty already. And no, it’s not in response to the Jolly Green Chunky.
“Tolerance” and “coexistence” with Muslims in your country is much like tolerating and coexisting with termites in your house; the destruction of your house is an inevitability.
@ IslandLibertarian:
Think fear of losing your country:
http://theopinionator.typepad.com/
@ MacDuff:
In fact, in the early days of the Klan, the masks were a form of intimidation and terrorism,
You made my point.
@ snork:
Which jolly green, Goracle or cluck?
1-0 Canada!
@ vagabond trader:
“On Saturday night a white teenage boy was attacked and beaten (knocked to the ground and kicked) by a gang of Asians some wearing masks.
Were any of the victims in the story outed EDL? No. Just “white” victims. This story is a damned good argument for concealed carry.
I agree with fighting back against invaders from without and within.
I do not know much about EDL. I may agree 100% with their platform. I may not. I have not done the research. But I DISAGREE with wearing masks. Don’t put your mug on a video if you fear retaliation. Make your statement in text. Whatever. But masks are a form of TERRORISM not patriotism.
IslandLibertarian wrote:
And I was/am not in complete disagreement with yours. If the EDL begins to perpetrate random violence on Muslims, well, they’re terrorists. If they are protecting their identity for fear of muslim retaliation, that’s another story.
@ IslandLibertarian:
The problem is in the UK, The Jihadis are protected by the British Governmnet. These guys will be targeted by their own governmnet.
They all don’t wear Masks.
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&gbv=2&tbs=isch:1&q=English+Defense+League&sa=N&start=21&ndsp=21
Remember you don’t have free speech in the UK. Many will lose jobs and be targeted by the Jihadists.
I understand your concern, but these are not normal times in the UK. The establishment is supporting the Jihadists.
Coldwarrior will email this question to Trevor.
Let’s see their answer.
@ MacDuff:
If they are protecting their identity for fear of muslim retaliation, that’s another story.
That’s what it seems they are doing. To protect their identities for the Jihadists and British Government harassment.
Coldwarrior will email this question to Trevor.
Let’s see their answer.
@ IslandLibertarian:
OK valid point there.
Let’s see their reasoning.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Sunday said that the existence of “the Zionist regime” is an insult to humanity, according to Iranian news agency IRNA.
Ahmadinejad made his remarks at a conference called “National and Islamic Solidarity for the Future of Palestine” where he declared Israel the reason for instability in the Middle East.
The Iranian leader said Israel’s presence on even one inch of the region’s soil was a cause for crisis and war, adding that the only way to confront Israel is through the resistance of Palestinian youth and other nations in the region.
Ahmadinejad also told the conference that the “Zionist regime” is the origin of all the wars, genocide, terrors and crimes against humanity and that it is a racist group that does not respect human principles.
Also in attendance at the conference were Hamas Chief Khaled Meshal, Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdullah Shallah and the head of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command, Ahmed Jibril, all of whom live in exile.
The Iranian president ended his speech by suggesting a referendum on the destruction of Israel
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
@ IslandLibertarian:
Unfortunately,gun ownership in the UK is not a right, tho Northern Ireland is more pro gun than its UK counterparts.In NI they know what intimidation is, believe me.
btw,it is routine for special ops guys to wear masks or disguise for their own safety. I suspect these young people are also emulating this sort of heroic rather than portraying malevolence.
END OF 1ST PERIOD: Canada 1, USA 0, eh.
@ Nevergiveup:
So Israel is the center of all the world’s troubles. Unreal!
Nevergiveup wrote:
Aren’t all of these guys A-rabs?
@ Nevergiveup:
What a great target rich environment. A pity to let it go to waste.
Macker wrote:
Gee wasn’t Obama’s islamic rep there?????
@ IslandLibertarian:
That’s why we need make sure we don’t lose our gun rights here.
@ Nevergiveup:
Like I said, see message 83.
England has needed something like an English Defense League for some time. The way the British have set and watchaed as vital liberties (like the right to own weapons) were systematically taken away has been nothing short of appalling. Likewise the way the Mohammedans have moved in bringing their appalling third world “culture” with them virtually unchanged, and the Leftists call it good in the name of multiculturalism. Yes, the British need an English Defense League. The question is, do they need this English Defense League. I don’t know. You simply cannot trust the MSM on something like this. They are so Left biased that anyone to the right of Karl Marx is openly called a Nazi, so the fact that they are calling the EDL “Nazis” is meaningless. Abscent any condemning evidence, I am inclined to give them the benifit of the doubt, if for no other reason than that they have all the right enemies.
@ Iron Fist:
Hell,Pelousy called tea partiers nazis.
I just did some googling and interesting factoid, Northern Ireland still has pretty decent gun laws “allowing” citizens to protect themselves.Yeah, wonder why.
@ IslandLibertarian:
If masks are terrorism, SWAT teams are terrorists. Of course, given the Waco Massacre by SWAT thugs in masks, perhaps you have a point. Be that as it may, I don’t think that the act of concealing your identity equates to terrorism. If you will recall, the original Tea Partiers in Boston Harbor dressed as Indians to conceal their identities. Madison, Hamilton, etc. wrote under pseudonyms. What is the difference?
Found this at atlas
GERMANY: Proposal to train imams at universities
@ Iron Fist:
Same can be said of guns. Murderers use guns. People defending themselves use the same.
@ teacake:
Lovely,their churches are empty but Islam must be preached. Stupid dhimmis.
King of Jordan: Immediate action must be taken to protect holy sites
Published: 02.28.10, 23:08 / Israel News
King Abdullah of Jordan said that the international community must take immediate measures to protect the holy sites in east Jerusalem from unilateral moves on Israel’s part, according to Jordan’s official news agency.
According to him, Israel’s moves seek to alter Jerusalem’s identity and constitute a dangerous provocation that threatens all effort invested in achieving regional peace. (Roee Nahmias)
They’ve been protected since 1967 no thanks to you and yours.
2-0 Canada!!
@ Iron Fist:
What is the difference?
SWAT is a law enforcement agency needing to protect it’s peoples identities in order to catch criminals and TERRORISTS.
Original Tea Party was an act of unlawfulness against THE CROWN. An act of revolution.
Madison and Hamilton, same thing.
Masked vigilantes are not the same.
Again, I agree with fighting back against invaders from within and without. But I see posturing on a video wearing a mask as a form of intimidation. THUGGISH. You won’t change my opinion.
Heh heh.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/02/28/uae.murder.probe/index.html?hpt=T2
@ jeppo:
Well at least we know their supply of condoms has been replenished.
@ vagabond trader:
LOL! yeah right.
Rodan @ 74:
How did cj’s clown photo get into that search page. lol
@ vagabond trader:
The more I hear about it, the more I become convinced that the Mossad angle is bullshit. You don’ tneed 26-27 people to inject the dude and suffocate him. It takes one man with a needle and a knife. You give the guy a choice between the needle or the knife, but either way he’s not leaving alive. He’ll cooperate in his own death (anybody guess where I got that idea?
). All you need is the location, and one guy can take this guy out. Hell, if you brought 26 other people with you, where would you put them? They’d just get in the way.
vagabond trader wrote:
Yeah, the Mossad should be ashamed. It should have taken one or maybe two to kill this SOB.
vagabond trader wrote:
LOL! 100,000 condoms given away in 2 weeks and counting.
This also VT from several articles i saw at the jpost.
Funny if is weren’t so sad:
Excuse me? Who kidnapped who?
Right… unlike how advanced islam is. Internet era? WTF? lol
”
USA scores, 2-1 Canada.
USA score! Eat it, Canada!
@ IslandLibertarian:
re #94
“But I see posturing on a video wearing a mask as a form of intimidation.” Of Muzzie extremists, I assume.
Just for argument sake …. what would be wrong with that?
WIth all the stink being made about one terrorist being knocked off, he must have been mega-extremely important.
Is this the pronounced sensation ?
The EDL are a bunch of Hooligans and right-wing extremists. No matter what they say.
@ grambo:
Brown Shirts
Big Brother is Watching
Ku Klux Klan
PLO
HAMAS (SP?)
What’s wrong with them?
Anyway, you lost me with “Muzzie”.
Hi Guys I’m an EDL Member…. Firstly I would like to thank you for the invite to join you..
No mosques in the West until there are churches in Mecca. Tear down any that are up.
Decent muslims should consider converting to Christianity
@ Iron Fist:
I’ve been skeptical here too. Maybe Mossad farmed the job out,who knows and they ain’t talking. Neither is the Hamass-hole.
grambo wrote:
They are anti-fatwa devises. These guys have a right to protect their identities. How does one go about that in a way IL would approve?
Progressives use Islam to destroy western values in their march to a totalitarian state. At some point there will be violence.
The English need to get rid of the rotten rulers.The obnoxious Obamas
Guys we are NOT right wing, or racist…. We are just normal people honestly.. The MSM and British Government are painting us as bad guys as they have something to fear.. The truth
These hockey players are pretty good
Chloex wrote:
Good on ya, Chloex.
IslandLibertarian wrote:
Oh. The “…sink to their level…” argument.
OK.
@ MacDuff:
@ teacake:
The other tidbit that made me giggle was Christine Ammawhore asking Ehud Barak what the deal was and he basically told her to pound sand.
END OF 2ND PERIOD: Canada 2, USA 1, eh.
@ Guggi:
The government isn’t doing its job. Who else is going to help citizens? Street fighten types.
@ Guggi:
Hey hooligans and right wingers need luv too!
(besides, right wing extremists like our left calls us?)
@ Chloex:
Greetings!
Chloex wrote:
Blah !
Showing the Hitler salute is per definition what ?
@ Chloex:
Welcome, we don’t censor free speech around here.
@ IslandLibertarian:
Didn’t the tea party rebels disguise themselves as natives when they threw all that tea in the harbour?
Anyway, regardless, I really do think you’re missing the key issues here.
First, as has been amply pointed out, in this country simply being known as an enemy of Islam can get you in a hell of a lot of trouble. We live in one of the most surveiled states in the world, with more cameras per person than any other nation on the planet. We also live in a state where presecution for “hate crime”, simply speaking about other ethnicities in a way that they merely feel is offensive, can and has resulted in criminal prosecution and jail time. This is a state where you can be arrested and imprisoned without charge for a month if the government wishes, where you can be fined and face jail for putting the wrong sort of rubbish in your bin, and a state where it is increasingly common for people to be harassed by the government for months simply for holding the wrong views on politically controversial issues.
Your point about putting things in text is a false comparison (this is where all the media bollocks I learned at university comes in handy) as, simply put, most people don’t respond to lumps of text. Two or three words and that’s it, you’ve lost them. They do respond to a voice on the gogglebox. Audio-video short-circuits the reasoning centres of your brain and pipes the message straight to the core in a way that text simply can’t. Now they could go about it in other ways, but sometimes a “face” on screen is the only way to get the message across in a remotely credible way. That means putting their mugs on the screen, yes? And since people who are willing to talk on screen are usually very active in the movement they’re part of, and given the extremely violent or oppressive action taken towards such people in the past by Muslims and the state, it makes sense to make sure your face can’t be identified. Absent some sort of blurring of the face, which is no guarantee in this age (I spent some time learning the basics of photo enhancement at university as well and the government will have access to much more advanced techniques) the only effective disguise is a mask.
You may have a bad reaction to masks, that doesn’t invalidate their use. Think about your argument for a moment. Replace mask with gun in your statements and see how scary they suddenly sound.
Remember, masks don’t terrorise people. Terrorists do.
They wear masks because they have no choice.
@ vagabond trader:
Can’t stand her. Glad I don’t have cable. lol
teacake wrote:
And therefore you have to side wiht them ? Only over my dead body.
@ Chloex:
There is nothing wrong with being Right Wing. I am proudly Right Wing. I believe in individual liberty, a nation where the laws are colorblind, a strong defense, low taxes, small government, etc. I am no species of Socialist, National or otherwise. I have rejected Socialism and all its works
One reason I discount the people who call you “Nazis” is that I look at the character of the people doing it. They can’t be trusted to fill a fishbowl. Sometimes you know a person by their enemies. Like I said upthread, y’all have the right enemies.
@ teacake:
How does one go about that in a way IL would approve?
How would I do it?
I’d make the video concealing identities along with the bold statement that identities are concealed to protect members FROM ISLAMIC TERROR RETALIATION! I just would not wear the masks and posture like the THUG Pali’s and HAMMAS and PLO and KKK. Let your message be turned back on the masked cowards of Islamic Jihad. OK? GOT IT?
That’s all I’ve got to say about it right now. The beaches are open, it’s sunny, there’s a small south swell. I’m going surfing.
@ Guggi:
Proof please.
@ archonix:
(bearing in mind in my moment of grump I may have misunderstood your post
)
m wrote:
Are you a “right wing extremist” showing the Hitler salute ?
The protest march in Manchester 2009 costed the taxpayers in GB Euro 870,000.00.
@ Guggi:
Nope. I’d never do the hitler salute (and i’d get in a whole heap of trouble if I saw it in person), but I damn sure agree with – STOP THE ISLAMIZATION OF EUROPE.
Guggi wrote:
I’m not that well schooled on the EDL; though I agree with some of its goals.
The mask thing is one that is debatable, but the Nazi salute thing is a needs some serious explaining.
archonix wrote:
IslandLibertarian wrote:
Cowardly or not, they are fucking violent and dangerous. Up until now, nothing has seemed to make islamists nervous, perhaps they might now be.
@ Guggi:
Ok I didn’t misunderstand. EVIDENCE. Show some, because I damn well didn’t see any “hitler salute” in any of the videos alleging to show one.
I love my country, and all it stands for.. That’s it.
No hidden agenda, no racial undertones what you see is what you get.
Our Government have failed the normal English taxpayer in favour of minorities, and it’s wrong.
The UK today is not how you guy’s imagine. We are not allowed freedom of speech, everything is politically correct etc. It really is a different Country to what it was 10 years ago
MacDuff wrote:
absolutely
@ Guggi:
Yeah- and it seems the g’vment thinks it’s better spent on abdul and his multiple wives.
No thanks.
And that money was spent on protecting the free speech of this group or protecting the country from them? I think the former. That should tell you their words NEED to be heard.
Guggi ! 135:
Is this like cj showing a few extreme photos at a tea party rally ??
Chloex wrote:
Please explain the Nazi salute.
@ Beltfed:
That was my first thought.I need more proof than one yob at an unidentified location giving the salute.Come on Guggi you do better linkage than that.
@ Guggi:
Still photos can be pretty damning.
Try some actual video next time.
I most definitely and proudly support the EDL in their stand against the Muslim takeover of their country.
Their methodology might seem extreme, but playthings when contrasted with the despicability of the Islamists.
A firm stand and, yes EXTREME measures must be taken with the advanced state of Islamization in the UK. Where there may be some definite offenses to sensibility in their symbolism, I applaud their willingness to take a stand above and beyond what’s deemed “civil,” as Muslims and Left only seem to take advantage of our “civility” and willingness to “play fair.”
@ <a href="#comment-285892" title="Go to comment of this author”>archonix:
Didn’t the tea party rebels disguise themselves as natives when they threw all that tea in the harbour?
Yes when they were actively rebelling against The Crown. An act of revolution. Treasonous. Not an infomercial.
If you think wearing a mask and posing on a video works, I’m sure I’ll not change you opinion as you won’t change mine. That, I believe is our only disagreement. You need to take back your country. You need the right to bear arms.
Guggi wrote:
This guy is NOT an EDL member.. End of..
EDL demo’s a frequently infiltrated by hard core racist’s and left wingers.. Seriously over here we have a Government endorsed movement called UAF ( united against fascism), I would not be shocked if this guy belonged to them.
Democrats can’t learn from History. Check this shit out:
Lovely, isn’t it/ The totalitarian inclinations of the Leftists always comes out. If they can’t win in the Legislative, take it to court. If they can’t win in court, rule by decree. My answer to this is simple. We have enough people to filibuster. Obama shouldn’t be permitted to name any more judges. It’ll be rough on the judiciary, but we can set things right in President Palin’s first 100 days.
Guggi, lighten up, ok? Lets have a honest debate before you start out calling everyone that stands up for themselves and their culture a Nazi.
You sound just like Chuckie when you go apeshit like that.
Oh, and hi kids.
vagabond trader @ 143:
From the youtube video linked above the host has lots of videos attacking EDL
I only recently heard about the EDL.I have no way of knowing if the guy in the pix is a nazi type or not. If not, one explanation could be that a leftie called him a nazi and he responded that way?
One of the spin off links from that youtube is this one, and would explain the need to keep one’s identity hidden, as well as the left trying to accuse you of a nazi. There are random people with their arms raised in some of the pix. Why assume its a salute? Lots of people raise their arm when calling out to someone… not to say either which way, just need more actual proof that its an actual nazi salute and not someone like CJ saying so.
@ archonix:
What do you think what the guy in the vid above is showing you ? As high jumps the dog ?
@ Guggi:
YOu have a skinhead in a green jacket giving the Nazi salute. This could be anybody. What ties him to the EDL? Proximity? Is he a member? How do we know?
savage wrote:
Thanks Savage for the support.
I am more then happy to debate… I assure you all I am far from a nazi.
@ Guggi:
All I see is a guy with his arm up, with a policeman right next to him holding a microphone attachment for a video camera (common practice to film faces of everyone who goes anywhere near a protest in this country – as long as they’re not muslim). No proof he’s an EDL member except the video title. No proof he’s “saluting” rather than trying to shield himself from the camera.
He may be saluting. He may not. Without seeing the movements he made to get in that position it’s impossible to say.
@ Chloex:
Chloex, it’s nice to have you. We are here as an American voice for you.
Guggi wrote:
Fine. Then which group would you suggest one support in an effort to help save Mother England?
Guggi @ 155:
All these video from the same youtube account, what gives Charles.
@ Guggi:
Great propaganda pix. Give my regards to your Antifa buddies who made it.
Seriously, is that you selrahC?
I have learnt a lot being involved with EDL.
1) Do not trust the left MSM
2) People are frequently planted in demo’s to make EDL look bad.
Do you honestly believe that a demo of approx 3000 people, lasting approx 3 hours. The media, left or whoever took this footage was lucky enough to find the ONLY nazi salute there that day. Please
@ Guggi:
Another still photograph.
OMG CHRISTIAN NAZI CHILDRENS!
A nazi salute by some immature dope has a lot less impact on society then a progressive fascist agenda where science is settled, I won…. etc. Progressives will manipulate a single image to poison the well. Then proceed on the very same path themselves.
I think in England one has to have a license to have a TV? Beer is sold in vending machines? Football is something to do with two appendages only?
We talk about creeping sharia.There is also creeping progessivism where they use fear to disagree as a tool to march their settled agendas through. Freedom dies the death of a 1000 cuts.
To kill creeping we have to decide where we don’t want creep and deny it any type of claw hold.
@ Beltfed:
If you look at the vid I posted, from that account I guess, the opposing group are well to do’s who don’t support islamaphobia.
@ Guggi:
OLY CRAP THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT IS FULL OF NAZIS!
@ archonix @ 162:
An the man on the left pointing “loaded fingers” at them, wow. lol
@ Beltfed:
lol.
Look at this post from a yahoo hockey thread…
wow!
LGF 1.0 is a great example of thought criticizing fascism yet purveying the same methods itself. Just using a different name.
And to point fascist do little damage anyway today. Their cousins the progressives have taken on that mantle. And like parasites they try and hide in democratic societies.
@ Chloex:
Clearly, there is an uptick of antisemitism and neo-Nazi activity in Europe. Racially-charged issues, such as the Islamization of Europe would tend to attract these types.
Blunt question: Are these factions present in the EDL and, if so, what are you doing about it.
@ Guggi:
I Stand with the EDL against The Imperialists!
Long live Free Britain!
Tell you what for every 1 video you can find of a Nazi I can find 1 million of good honest citizens fighting for English values…
IslandLibertarian wrote:
Good evening from Britain. My name is Mike Hughes and i work in the EDL media department i hope to get to know some of you here, i also hope to answer any questions you may have about the EDL. I am not a designated spokesman as any official statements come from the EDL leadership themselves.
One point of contention i would have to raise in defence of “mask wearing thugs” would be that many of our members obviously live in heavily populated Muslim areas. The kind of Muslims we stand against are not the peaceful and tolerant types. They are for the most part engaged in gang warfare and terrorism, at the very least they are complicit or sympathetic to that cause. Having a certain brand of Muslim know of our members identity poses many difficulties as not only are they targeted themselves but their families also. I would just ask that some level of understanding can be reached in this regard. We also understand what face covering can be viewed as odious and somewhat paramilitary, however how does one decide the balance of security against risk?
For understanding i believe that one should use a degree of empathy…..
You live in a Muslim dominated area with known gangs who are aligned to the “jihadist mentality”, you want to speak out and do something about this problem. Do you go public knowing that your very existence is under threat due to where you live?
If there is a pack of hungry lions ready for the hunt, would you go and sit with them and ask them politely not to eat you even though they are starving?
We understand that face covering can be viewed as problematic, we also understand the need for some members to keep their identity hidden. Its a double edged sword, damned if you do, damned if you dont!
Um…
The nazi salutes are USUALLY aimed at the police. I think Guggi’s 135 illustrates that nicely.
Back in the good old days of simple soccer hooliganism whenever the police started yelling “Disperse this crowd” etc they were greeted with nazi salutes from both fighting factions.
now, can we move on?
@ Chloex:
I’m A Latin Catholic who stands with anyone that fights the Islamo-Imperialists. If I was in the UK, I would be standing alongside with you!
@ Chloex:
LOL yep, in the US all sorts of various nutcases show up at protests. A photographer or “journalist” can “prove” anything with a picture. Lord knows there have been some whoppers that show how the IDF bulldozes innocent’s houses.
(Co)-founder of the EDL is Jeff Marsh, such a nice guy. Not.
‘Army’ made of former football hooligans
Convicted and jailed three times
@ Mike Hughes:
Welcome it’s an honor to meet a person standing up against The Islamic-Imperialists!
MacDuff wrote:
@ archonix:
LOL – this could go on all day.
Jimmah from 1.0 and Kilgore Trout from 1.0 would be people who would show up at tea party demostrations and give a nazi salute for media consumption.
Guggi wrote:
Well, well what did I just say….
@ teacake:
I know… I think I’ve made my point, though.
@ Chloex:
OK, fair answer.
@ Chloex:
@ Mike Hughes:
This is where I’m coming from and this is why I support the EDL!
@ orangecrush:
Those two nancy boys? More likely the weasel would do the dirty work.Its rumored she keeps both sets of shriveled gonads in her purse.
@ 177 Guggi: I am not so concerned with that. Organizations are evolving in the internet age. England is not the US. There is less freedom there to speak ones mind. We are following in their footpath. A local here was charged with a hate crime and given a 90 jail sentence for getting angry at a somali parking attendant. All she had to do was say she was afraid. And the backboneless public officials felt the need to convict this guy of a hate crime. When he was just mad at getting a ticket.
Guggi, a football hooligan? So what? One needs warrior type men to fight the enemy. Obviously laws are not helping the UK. Too many men have gone soft these days, which is why the western world is in big trouble.
@ Guggi:
Israel can stand up to the Islamic Imperialists but not others.
That’s hypocrisy.
As for the football hooligan stuff…
I am a mother, work long hours for my own company..
Guess I don’t have time to do football matches/hooliganism
@ Rodan:
Quite concur!
@ 186 vagabond trader: lol.
Chloex wrote:
Fine, so why are only between 300 and 1,500 protesters on your marches ? Me seems the “good honest citizens” don’t like to much. Rightly.
This is what is needed though. Associations bringing clarity and action to stop the muslim scourge.
@ Guggi:
What the fuck is your problem?
archonix @ 165:
195 and 142 are lefties. lol
Rodan wrote:
Do you seriously compare the IDF with this bunch of criminals and Hooligans ?
Rodan wrote:
It an honour to stand with any sane likeminded patriots who see the threat of “Islamism” for what it is.
We cant afford to appease those who wish us death!
Holy shit USA scores with seconds on the clock to tie it
Oh noes! USA scores with seconds left tying the game at 2.
archonix wrote:
seriously
@ Guggi:
THIS is nazism reborn!
@ Guggi:
Fight fire with fire.
@ 193 Guggi: The tea parties are similar in size.
Since we’re showing pictures…
@ Guggi:
Right so Brits are just supposed to let the Imperialists take their land, gotcha.
Hey you know the Irgun and Hagganah where considered hooligans at one time right?
How about the American revolutionaries?
archonix wrote:
Quite concur. This person is obviously a concern troll.
AFTER REGULATION: Canada 2, USA 2!
OVERTIME!
@ Guggi:
Guggi wrote:
No one else in the UK or the rest of Europe is standing up to the islamists, so what do you suggest beside tea and crumpets?
archonix wrote:
People like you are my problem. People like you are my problem who want putting out a fire with gasoline.
@ Guggi:
Based on a few ambiguous pictures and a great deal of slander and hearsay you’re willing to condemn from the far side of that ocean the only people willing to defend my country?
@ Guggi:
Thats one hell of a sweeping generalisation Guggi. How do you substantiate that claim with anything credible other that your opinion/perception?
Proof to substantiate your claims would be advantageous.
Thank you.
@ 201 teacake:Guggi is holding onto that 1.0 argument about VB. At it’s basis it is ok. But we shouldn’t let images make us reactionary and judgemental like it does to Charles.
There is a lot of racism on the left that is given a pass because it is sugar coated.
What each person wants to do is grow their own non violent ideas about getting rid of the muslim scourge. We might come to a time of violence where the niceties of discourse are not maintained.
One thing people can do is to advocate no mosque construction in their communities. But you might find yourself wearing a mask of some type then to avoid harassment.
savage wrote:
Ah, promoting civil war ! Nice, but thanks.
@ Guggi…..
It was once said, somewhere pretty important, “And such were we, once…..”
and
“Let it be…..if it is good, it will last, if not it will fizzle out.” –from the same source….. : )
@ Guggi:
Thats one hell of a sweeping generalisation Guggi. How do you substantiate that claim with anything credible other than your opinion/perception?
Proof to substantiate your claims would be advantageous.
Thank you.
@ Guggi:
What’s your solution to the Islamic Invasion of the UK? You criticize anyone who defends against Islamic Imperialism, but offer no solutions.
I will ask you again, Why can Israelis stand up but not others?
Guggi’s goalposts sit on well oiled wheels, makes for ease of movement.
@ Macker:
Yeehaa!
archonix wrote:
No doubt about the message in that picture
@ Guggi:
yeah and it’s people like you that are going to be the cause of my grand children living in a nightmare situalion.
you types are more dangerous than the muslims.
Chloex wrote:
Hey there Chloex,
Great to see you here. I have never given up on you Brits. I knew eventually, the muzz would push you decent hard working people too far, like they are doing all over Europe. Put the hammer down on these barbarians. Don’t give them another inch. . . . they will push until they have the whole Island. That is a frightening proposition. And something they are striving for. To bring their darkness and cruelty.
You Brits have a lot to be proud of. And the world owes you greatly for the light of civilization you have spread everywhere. Stand and protect your values and traditions. I applaud that effort.
@ teacake:
Yup!
@ Guggi:
You’re welcome.
Vestiges of 1.o
I’m an armchair quarterback. I can jump to conclusions and judgments as easy as someone else. After the folly of 1.0 I want to be careful before I call anyone a racist or a fascist. I require a lot of proof. Cherry picked Google links won’t work.
1. Support Isreal.yes
2. Ok for kids to marry interracially. yes
3. Rejection of all social justice issues. yes
The only thing that will put an end to the islamic war on western societies is if there is something that actually frightens or threatens them.
islamists are sure not afraid of the IDF.
Rodan @ 184:
The Portuguese coat of arms/shield at 0:08 t0 0:13, nice touch.
@ justin case:
Estoy con mi Amigos Ingleses!
Ma Sands wrote:
Hey Ma Sands,
Exactly, now is not the time to go all cluckie.
Former football hooligans regroup in far-Right Casuals United
They see themselves as the vanguard in a battle for the soul of Britain against extremist Islamist forces — the “enemy within” bent on imposing Sharia. Casuals United announced their arrival on Saturday when a small army of shirt-sleeved, middle-aged men with beer bellies clashed in a flurry of punches and kicks with young Asians in Birmingham city centre.
The group, which is closely affiliated with the far-right English Defence League, insists that it is a peaceful movement representing ordinary working people angered by the sight of Muslims hurling insults at British soldiers on homecoming parades. But if the chants of “England, England” and the aggressive posturing appear familiar, it is because they are.
The members of Casuals United are largely former football hooligans drawn from the terraces and, according to their critics, are essentially the BNP and National Front repackaged. The groupings have attracted the support of BNP activists including Chris Renton, who created the English Defence League website.
Jeff Marsh, the leader of Casuals United, told The Times that the organisation was a “mixed-race group of English people, from businessmen and women, to football hooligans”.
He said: “I came up with the idea to unite football fans to forget their petty rivalries and come together in a national movement. There are a lot of people in their forties and fifties who used to be hooligans but went on to settle down. A lot of young football fans want to get involved.”
Snip
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This has nothing to do with the “Islamization” but with causing trouble.
@ orangecrush:
Exactly right. They’d do it and smile, sure that they were getting the “real” message of the Tea Parties across.
It is an easy way to shut up opposition, especially with a complicit media. You simply cannot trust the MSM where the EDL or any similar organization is concerned.
@ Guggi:
We gotcha, you support the Islamization of the UK.
I don’t see the need to jump on this association in a negative way. Let it happen and see what happens. It is the progressive concern that wants to nip all non progressive collective efforts in the bud. If there is racism there it will be revealed. Racism and facism are no longer majority opinions. A movement with either as a foundation can not grow.Fascism can be a danger.
People need strong roots in democracy and individual merit.
@ Guggi:
So your solution is to sit back and watch until Trafalgar Square becomes the British equivalent of Chop Chop Square in Riyadh?
@ Iron Fist:
Overseas the Tea Parties are called Racist. It’s the left’s MO. Smear people who want to defend their nation.
Our Founding Fathers would of been called Fascists by today’s media.
@ Guggi:
It only takes one side to start a war. If one side insists that violence is the answer then violence is the answer. If you don’t fight back, you surrender.
right guggi, football hooligans who have nothing better to do than cause trouble for those poor helpless muslims that are taking over Europe.
I forgot where you live and where you’re from. Are you new to planet earth?
@ Guggi
It really isn’t like you are reading mate..
I am NOT a football hooligan, nor am I a Nazi, nor even racist…
I am however English, I want my children/grandchildren to live in a free and safe UK, and I am EDL..
So therefore your post is without foundation
guggi, was your father a football hooligan?
My only concern, do any of these EDL folks sport the cross of Odin and are they creationists?////
Oh CANADA….. Darn
CANADA WINS 3-2 IN OT!!!!!!!!!!!
@ vagabond trader:
Oh, you RACIST!
/hahaha
@ jeppo:
hockey hooligans.
All I’m saying is that “movements”, particularly movements such as the EDL should be wary of being overrun by people who may have a different agenda. I am wholly behind the protection of English values in the face of the islamist hordes. I am, however, fearful of this movement’s potential of becoming some sort of fascist rebirth. Europe if rife with skinheads and Neo-Nazis who would see this as a perfect vehicle to hijack.
The mixing of religion, race and culture can be volitle. At this point, I have heard no reports of any EDL violence directed at specific citizens, and that’s a very positive sign.
Resistance of the Islamic agenda in Europe is a necessity and protection of the culture is paramount. As they do this, I only hope that the lessons of history are foremost in their minds.
I wish them luck, but most of all I wish them wisdom.
@ jeppo:
awwwwwwwwwwwwwww SHIT!
@ 231 Guggi: A British line of thought.
“We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”
The labour party like all the metroploitan left wing liberal elitists have a strong self loathing for their own country, culture, heritage, and history. Over the past 13 years they have systematically destroyed the UK through their socialist ideology, they have done this through their open door policy and adherance to multiculterism. Vast swathes of main cities mainly in England now represent third world countries where there is no trace of britishness whatsoever. Government papers from 2000 released due to the freedom of information act clearly shows in detail labour set out to change the face of this country, the governments ploy was to flood the UK with immigrants, lavish benefits on them of which they havent contributed a penny and to call any dissenting voices racist. We have seen a destruction of democracy, massive government intrusion into our everyday lives, the police become a political tool of the government to supress any anti government views. Schools are now introducing muslim assemblies at the expense of christian services, we are told flying our countrys flag is racist whilst minorities are encouraged to fly their countrys flag, we are told we have to call christmas winterval so as not to offend muslims, schools are being banned from holding nativity plays, workers have been dismissed from their jobs for wearing a crucifix. The face of this country is rapidly changing all against the publics will, we were denied a referendum by labour on the corrupt EU, gordon brown that unelected traitor sneaking through the back door to sign our soveriegnty away to brussels. We have come to the state where labours human rights laws gives criminals more rights than their victims, where patriotism is frowned upon and called racist, where we have government spy cameras in our rubbish bins to monitor our trash and fine us if we dont recycle as to government policy, we have more cctv per head than any other country. We were promised british jobs for british workers only for labour to hand out record numbers of work permits to immigrants legal and illegal to work for less than the minimum wage thus throwing thousands of britons on the scrapheap. Labour want to remove history teaching from schools and airbrush british success out of the history books. The education system has become an institution for indoctrinating future generations with government ideology, this country is rapidly heading into becoming a totalitarian state, labour have corrupted the voting system thanks to its postal voting which was found to favour their party. Overall labour are a bunch of lying self loathing, corrupt, left wing ideologists whose sole purpose is to destroy everything Great Britain ever used to stand for. Another term of office would see this country sink without trace. As their traditional working class support deserts them they are building up future voting bases from mass immigration, creating a feckless underclass which they subsidise from taxpayers money and an overblown public service with their gold plated pensions, this after brown destroyed the pension scheme for hard working people through billion pound tax raids. The labour party should be tried and convicted of treason.
vagabond trader wrote:
@ 246 MacDuff: The question people are afraid of is: If it comes down to a fascist Great Britain or a Muslim Great Britain which is preferred?
I think Prince Charles prefers the latter.
@ bellevueace:It sounds like Obama is running your government
@ Rodan:
It isn’t just overseas. Remember that guy that was legally carring a rifle near where Obama was? Too close to Dear Leader (although the Secret Service was not concerned), he had to be a white supremacist. Except, of course, he was black. The media went so far as to crop the photos and video footage to hide that fact, and tried to play him as a white supremacist. If they will do something that egreigious, they’ll do anything. You can’t trust them on things like this. Not one little bit.
orangecrush wrote:
So, what’s the difference?
It is inevitable that people will take measures to protect themselves when those paid to do the job refuse.
The English Defense League is filling that need. Citizens are tired of being abused and battered in their own country. It is unconscionable how the pols coddle the unsavory elements who have infiltrated a decent society.
It is so wrong it causes a gut ache just thinking abt. it.
People are going to rise up. It seems like a grass roots movement, long over due, by the way.
There is no way to control something like this. It is necessary and hopefully will bring positive results. Instill patriotism and a sense of pride in the British people. Liberty is worth protecting. It is a goal that will be better for all citizens who desire freedom and not muzz tyranny.
@ orangecrush:
I love it! : )
@ bellevueace:
This sounds like a look into a crystal ball at the not so distant future in the US. Except we have guns.
Anyone know where guggi is from and where he’s living these days? Somewhere not in the US is all I recall.
Also, I don’t trust images that lack context. Consider this photo of Hillary Clinton, or this one. Is Hillary! a crypto-nazi? I guess it is possible, but a better explanation is that she just has her hand raised.
@ teacake:
I believe guggi is a she,no idea from where.
teacake wrote:
Are you nuts ?
@ bellevueace:
Is it that bad?
@ Guggi
Would you prefer that people wrote a srongly worded letter to their M.P.
Here’s a British M.P.do you think it’s worth a try?
@ 254 MacDuff: Ummah, the greater Islamic Republic under which our kids will live and be beheaded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImdXSGew7H4&feature=related
This is an EDL Demo in Manchester a few months ago.
Check it out Guggi,not many masks seen here.
@ vagabond trader:
Austrian Jew…
Cars that consume oil are actually the biggest problem. Iraq is a rescued country. Hopefully it will grow up to be a western tolerant country.
Now this guy I am sure is a Nazi. Look at the salute, and you just know…
Sydney Crosby the Canadian Crusader.
Iron Fist wrote:
So true, and the violent jihadis in Europe are mobilizing in their mosques. They are inciting as much violence as they can get away with. Which is tolerated way too much by the authorities for what ever reason(s).
I have long thought it will be the the citizens of Europe who face the muzz threat head on.
I think the pendulum is beginning its swing the other way.
@ Iron Fist:
Oy, and the wife with the tall black boots.
@ shadowman:
Suicidal moron
I’ve been in the tube with wembly soccer hooligans. For the most part it’s something to avoid. Not because of fascism booklets being handed out to fellow passengers but because of the alcohol content.It’s a tribal activity. Reincarnation of the old clans.
@ Iron Fist:
Reminds me of Nuremburg…
chickadee wrote:
Yes indeed the pendulum is swaying the other way. Why tolerate intolerance?
Then there is this one. Definately a Nazi. Have I made my point? Out of context photos of people with their right hand in the air are pretty meaningless. Except as propaganda. They can be effective propaganda, but they don’t convey any truth value.
@ orangecrush:
I’m attending the Pittsburgh-Buffalo game on Tuesday and I hope Orpik and Miller bring their Silver so that I can cheer them.
@ savage:
Wow! That was only a little over a year ago. He sure pissed away his political capital quickly, didn’t he?
@ 276 Iron Fist:Or that image could be the subconscious desire reaching out in imitation.
@ teacake:
Suicidal moron
Yes,he’s just a member of the political elite who also happens be gay,perhaps he should check his copy of the koran again?
@ Mike Hughes:
hey mike…howya doing?
it can get raucus here sometimes!
@ Iron Fist:
That fucker is hellbent on the destruction of this Republic with all his Communist schemes. Cap and tax, obamacare, nationalization of key industries, and on and on.
Got Reid and Pelosi as the wrecking crew. Goddamn traitors.
@ 280 shadowman: Gay leaders who support islam should make a special trek to Mecca and announce there that they are gay.
vagabond trader wrote:
Scary isn’t it.
People are getting fed up.
Guys don’t want to be ignorant, but its bedtime here in the UK. So i’m gonna love and leave y’all. I’ll catch up tomorrow
Goodnight and take care, it’s been nice chatting x
@ savage:
well, this really stirred the pot on a sunday afternoon!
@ savage:
The inferior peabrains of Reid Pelousy and Obama destroying our country is maddening to contemplate!
Shouldn’t teleprompter Jesus be able to intercede in the hockey game outcome. Maybe block Canadian ports or something til they give.
@ coldwarrior:
Indeed!
@ Chloex:
Thanks for visiting. Come back anytime!
@ orangecrush:
Incomprehensible. Queers for Palestine. Fools.
savage wrote:
I assume this isn’t the BIG one you were talking about earlier?
Chloex wrote:
thanks for the visit! come back whenever you like!
Iron Fist @ 269:
LOL
teacake wrote:
it is…we were going to run it tomorrrow…but things being what they are…
@ orangecrush:
I’m convinced he can’t find his azz with a flashlight.What a horrorshow.
@ coldwarrior:
I’m likin it!
We have the same problems the Brits have, an out of control government.
This is what I think of the punkass in the Oval Office. A friend of mine said this but I agree 1000000%
He’s a full blown scam artist. I don’t thing the fucker even has a goddamn ideology. He just wanted to be president like Clinton, and was more inept then the blow job king could ever be. He is a doper and a lunatic idiot who can’t even speak a straight sentence without reading it, and even then he inserts too many “uh’s” and “er’s”. I doubt if the son of a bitch could even record a phone answering message without uh or er.
@ orangecrush:
Good idea,i would like to read the findings of a fact finding mission like that.
Perhaps on route they could nip into somalia and see what the standards of marriage counselling are like?
Content warning.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/global/article7039278.ece?slideshowPopup=true&articleId=7039278&nSlide=21§ionName=News
@ vagabond trader:
It’s just another way to jab a thumb in the Right’s eye. We support Israel, so they support “Palestine”. The fact that the Palestianians would kill them for being “queer” doesn’t even impact on their little brains.
@ Chloex:
We will be here, not a problem.
@ Guggi:
The members of Casuals United are largely former football hooligans drawn from the terraces and, according to their CRITICS, are essentially the BNP and National Front repackaged.
We have been labelled as all sorts of things like Nazis, Anti Semites, Racists, White Supremacists etc etc etc
Its a tried and tested means of defamation. To defame and discredit an opponent means weakening its potential or at the very least slowing its progress. Politicians play this game very well only they usually play this game on each other, even more so in the run up to elections.
We are against Islamists not every Muslim in the world. We welcome ANYONE regardless of their colour or their ancestry. That is by no stretch of the imagination anything like Nazi’ism.
shadowman wrote:
That exuberant fool is out of his mind. I felt like the orcs in the audience were just seconds from rushing the stage and ripping him limb from limb.
There is no excuse for that kind of dangerous ignorance.
orangecrush @ 283:
They would be welcomed with
a nooseopen arms.This is England: Masked like terrorists, members of Britain’s newest and fastest – growing protest group intimidate a Muslim woman on a train en route to a violent demo
Nice companionship the “blogmocracy” has chosen. A gang of thugs and troublemakers.
Enjoy your new friends and comrads. Hope you’ll respect them.
I’m outa here. I’ll nothing have to do with such groups.
@ Guggi:
Come back when you smarten up.
Guggi wrote:
cant handle a little free speech, huh?
see ya!
@ Iron Fist:
Also, imho, there is a pathological romanticism going on with some,both gay and straight. Kind of like women who fall in love with incarcerated killers. Because they’re just misunderstood teddy bears.
@ Mike Hughes:
guggi is (was) our elitist from the continent…its ok for her for the israelis to fight the muzzies, but god forbid if anyone else does.
@ Guggi:
No Guggi, please don’t go. Without you telling us what to think whatever will we do?
coldwarrior wrote:
Im doing very well thanks mate pleased to meet you. My apologies if i miss any posts as it seems to get quite busy in here and im coming and going from my computer all the time. Things have been busy as of late so im trying to juggle a few balls at the same time, not always with success may i add!
May i ask you what your thoughts are on the EDL movement?
vagabond trader wrote:
That is a very astute observation. That effusive moron at the podium was on the verge of tears he was so full of muzz love.
Gays for Islam = Turkeys for Thanksgiving.
It is a dead end proposition, literally.
@ Mike Hughes:
i’m behind you guys a hundred percent.
i know that you all have a bad wrap in the media and with the elites.
Mike and Chloex
Glad to see you lads and lasses standing up for British culture. Of course the left is going to smear you as racist…it’s the only tactic they have when they are losing an argument.
Look at the sources Guggi was using…Indymedia? C’mon we all know what they are about. They were sponsoring demonstrations in the US against retaliation for 9-11 the day after the damn terrorists struck.
@ Guggi:
Ooh! I think that prissy little squirt of sanctimony qualifies as a flounce!
Actually, would have been curious to know Guggis observation of Islam from where she lives. I never hear much about Austria being infiltrated.What gives there?
@ Mike Hughes:
Mike…
I as well as CW are behind you 100 percent. It’s about time for pushback. I’d stay a little longer, but I am 120 miles from Los Angeles and I need to take an empty trailer to a customer so they can load it up with goodies.
At any rate, please feel free to come in here anytime and enjoy the conversations.
@ chickadee:
Bluebird wrote:
LOL,
Hey Bluebird.
BINGO!
You guys had to figure you’d get a troll in here sooner or later. I read through the thread. Guggi was desperate to establish the EDL as a bunch of Nazis, and used typical libtactics to establish a tie between EDL and Nazis. If you want to see out of context still photos, look no further than your latest AP report from “Palestine’s occupied territories”, about those “nasty oppressive Joos”.
Yes, I am saying Guggi = troll. (…or sure knows how to impersonate one). Now the only question remains is, what website are the screen-shots or the quotes from this thread going to appear “proving beyond a doubt Blogmocracy.com is a right-wing Nazi hate site”? Which was Guggi’s purpose.
I have my guesses.
@ Bluebird:
Well said. I almost thought you were Sharmuta or some other LGF clone. They would “quite concur”.
/I’m reminded of another sick place by the tone I’ve heard today.
Now I can’t even recall what topics guggi has been chatting about over the past few weeks. I also was under the impression that guggi was a young gay man. lol
savage wrote:
@ teacake:
One never knows on the internets. Hell,I could be a 400 lb female sumo wrestler.Anything is possible.
Guggi @ 304:
Heading back to the gated community ?
I might actually get used to the functions of this forum one day. Please excuse the newbie as hes a novice
Mike Hughes @ 310:
Behind the EDL 110 per. Fight the good fight before it’s too late.
@ Mike Hughes:
If I can handle it anyone can.
Far right embraces fatwas
The English Defence League claims to protest against threats and intimidation – yet one of its organisers has issued a fatwa
Snip
On Saturday, I covered the group’s protest in Leeds. After the event, a well-known EDL organiser saw fit to email a death threat to me with the title “Fatwa”. The email said: “A fatwa has been issued on you my communist friend. Enjoy any money you’ve made from EDL protests, as if you are spotted again you will be fed up.” The email was signed “Simples”. But a little investigation discovered it originated from an organiser of the English and Welsh Defence League divisions.
snip
“Death threats for journalists covering far right demos” – National Union of Journalists.
On Sunday I covered a protest outside Harrow Central Mosque in north-west London. A group called ‘Stop the Islamisation of Europe’ had called a protest with support from members of the English Defence League (EDL). You can read a BBC News report here and Asim Siddiqui in The Guardian here.
Towards the end of the protest Joel Titus, leader of the EDL youth division, lunged towards me and hit my camera into my face and then ran away.
If you put this into the context of death threats of journalists who cover far right protests, this was not only a thuggish attack of an individual, in full view of police officers, but an attack on press freedom which underpins a free and democratic society.
Snip
English Defence League: chaotic alliance stirs up trouble on streets
Snip
The leadership insists they are not racist and just want to “peacefully protest against militant Islam”.
Yet at EDL events, skinheads have raised Nazi salutes and other EDL supporters have chanted racist slogans such as “I hate Pakis more than you”. One protest in Luton in May ended with scores of people attacking Asian businesses, smashing cars and threatening passersby.
Snip
The English Defence League: will the flames of hatred spread?
Snip
Its foot soldiers are the ‘casuals’ hooligan groups – in Luton it is the MIGS (Men in Gear), supposed supporters of Luton Town FC. Associates include David Cooling, a 26-year-old driver from Luton who is believed to administer the Luton EDL page on the Facebook website.
One of the organization’s principle strategists is a man calling himself Alan Lake, who works as an IT consultant in the City and has helped create the organisation’s intranet. Mr Lake, who is 45, single and originally from the north of England, has advised the Far Right Swedish Democrats*) on tactics.
snip
*) Sweden Democrat and their ugly secrets
This is the most dumbest blog-post the “blogmocracy” could have put on the main page. This is a blog-suicide.
@ vagabond trader:
LOL
Mike Hughes wrote:
it’s pretty easy to figure out.
do tell your m8′s over at the edl forum to please feel free to join us anytime on any topic…we are glad to have you.
@ vagabond trader:
Everybody knows the truth about me. I’m just a little girl
vagabond trader @ 323:
Do you own a boat, Photos please. lol
You couldn’t have made CJ a better present. Stupid, simply stupid.
@ Iron Fist:
@ Beltfed:
LOL! Phew, thank G-d I still have full control of my bladder.
Guggi @ 328:
Cj, is that you. lol
vagabond trader wrote:
I thought you were a big orange “kitteh”!
@ Guggi:
I thought you said you were leaving …..?
Anyway, since you are still here, how about my request for a viable alternative to the EDL to combat the Islamic imperialism in England?
If you say “none”, then EDL wins by default.
If you say “none needed” then you lose by default.
So ……?
@ The Osprey:
Only on the full moon!
@ Guggi:
You should be concerned with the grave danger the muzz are to the British people.
And to civilization everywhere. And why it is not being addressed.
It is outrageous that private citizens have to mobilize to protect themselves, their families and their way of life.
@ Guggi:
the guardian is a left wing joke of a newspaper, you gonna quote nytimes next?
Guggi wrote:
One protest in Luton in May ended with scores of people attacking Asian businesses, smashing cars and threatening passersby.
Wow Guggi i dont want to offend you but you seem to regurgitate UAF propaganda have you even done any research into the EDL? Have you been into the forum to see our varied membership and their opinions?
Heres some truth for a change i hope you take time to read it…..
grambo wrote:
what say you guggi?
@ Guggi:
Speaking for myself, I don’t give a flying fuck at a rolling donut what CJ thinks. About anything.
My questions are aside from marches, what are the future plans and goals of the EDL and how do they propose to implement them?
Here is the link Guggi…..
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/2311/full
Enjoy.
@ Bluebird:
ditto.
I’m sure its possible that nazi type skin heads joined this group since it is grassroots. Perhaps EDL might have to start weeding out the supremacists? I see a huge difference between the thugs who want to save the white people vs save the country.
grambo 2 337:
It’s that darn revolving exit door.
Guggi wrote:
dumbest?
thanx guggi, we love you too.
now fuck off.
Beltfed wrote:
Again thanks for the support its good to know we have fellow patriots over the pond who understand our plight.
Bluebird @ 343:
What you said.
Bluebird wrote:
Good point.
@ chickadee:
Hi Chickee!
@ chickadee:
You can never fully rely on government to protect yopu, your family, or your rights. You always have to be willing to defend them. That doesn’t always (or usually) mean with naked force, but vigilance is the only sure safeguard of Liberty.
Mike Hughes wrote:
I bet you have more than you know.
Everyday people are waking up and realizing, that around the world, there is an encroaching muzz threat to freedom.
Too many articles to post separately, just check out atlasshrugs the top few articles.
Bluebird wrote:
Hi Bluebird,
Wow, another birdie. Yay.
Children, chill. We’re not going there. No sexual abuse of donuts. Some things are sacrosanct, and donut holes are in that category.
@ Iron Fist:
True enough, but it’s pretty disgraceful when the government is not only NOT protecting your rights, but actively working to undermine them. Not surprising to the more cynical among us, but disgraceful nonetheless.
coldwarrior wrote:
that was mean, i retract the fuck off part.
@ teacake:
Dickie Silverstein got p’wnd,lol!
@ coldwarrior:
I’m glad, that was beneath you.
vagabond trader wrote:
cheers!
@ coldwarrior:
check my # 344,I used the nursing plan lingo.
@ vagabond trader:
the EDL care plan!
@ coldwarrior:
There ya go, gotta have a plan,even if its just for show.
Oh, this looks delish,hope its true.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26103
Albusteve may not be long for this world over at the sh**pit…at the old LGF, this post would have gotten mucho updings…
@ Bluebird:
That has been the Democrat Party for the last 100 years. They may not care who or what you fuck, but they want to tell you how to do everything else in your life. They are and have been a totalitarian movement since Wilson.
vagabond trader wrote:
Thank you for your question vagabond you make a very valid point. The future plans and goals are entirely down to the leadership team. I would hazard a guess that we will continue to confront and oppose the Islamists in our midst. My personal belief is that we need to attract more attention to our cause, we need to affiliate and network closely with other counter jihad movements, this problem is not just domestic, its international after all! We aim to wake up joe public who are generally ignorant of the threat posed by fundamental teachings of Islam. We can only do this by bypassing main stream media and put “official” word out to various blogs on the net exactly whats going on over here on the ground. Half of the battle is just getting heard believe me.
Main stream media always like to focus on a minority who cause difficulties to paint the whole movement as being problematic. Its the “tar with the same brush” mentality that relates to my point of defamation i mentioned earlier.
There are many different ways to put our points across, we can petition, we can make complaints, we can research, we can promote the cause, we can do many things that can help change the way in which governments deal with this serious problem, that includes educating voters on issues we raise so they can make a more informed decision on who they want in parliament.
Personally i wouldnt want a government in power who have actually helped to empower jihadists as they seek to subjugate us under “every strategem of war”. Such leadership is weak and not conducive to the good of its citizens its culture and its rule of law.
To summarise the EDL will not stop protesting until the government actually do something about the problem of radical Muslims.
@ Mike Hughes:
Sounds good, best wishes!
@ Mike Hughes:
i plan on more posts from or about the EDL in the future. i would love a writeup about the march 5th event in london to post here.
Bluebird wrote:
OH MY GOD WE GOTTA GET ROTATING QUOTES BACK!
@ m:
we got a lot of posts and hits today…are the mice ok?
@ coldwarrior:
Seem to be ~ steroids at the ready, lol.
10 years ago you never would have thought the UK of all places would be in danger of islamic invaders… it just now occurred to me that perhaps they are so fierce about the UK is because this is the only country on the earth that has an actual real royal family.
vs the faux royalty in arabia
@ Mike Hughes:
Have you guys thought of doing what the Tea Parties have done here and take over a major party?
m wrote:
what’s that?
@ coldwarrior:
We will be live streaming some footage on the day mate with some interviews for good measure. Im sure a report will be forthcoming. Please consider that any delays for a report are mainly due to the fact that we all volunteer our services to this cause when we hold down full time employment. Sometimes theres not enough hours in the day believe me.
@ teacake:
We used to have a rotating quotes widget on the sidebar~ but it was taken down when we changed themes. I still have the database. I need to get it back running.
Bluebird is going in, lol.
@ m:
Hello there!
@ Guggi:
That picture doesn’t appear to back up the text. Is that all they got on the EDL?
@ m:
sounds complicated. lol
@ Rodan:
Hey you!
@ Mike Hughes:
i do look forward to more info from you guys, we will post it.
trevor has my email addy
guggi threw me for a loop today. Guess I hadn’t been paying attention much.
teacake wrote:
rodan and i knew that was going to happen…
What seems to be happening in Europe and here but not as blatantly, is that the government treats citizens like the enemy and the enemy like a welcomed friend.
coldwarrior wrote:
interesting, is there anyway to find out the backstory?
Hmmm, Canada beats out hockey team in overtime.
Those hosers , in the great White North, eh?
Really hard to get mad at Canadians.
Mike Hughes wrote:
@ m:
@ Rodan:
we gotta get on this…
@ Mike Hughes:
Hi Mike, Would you agree or disagree with the following statement:
@ teacake:
Exactly, when it comes to Islam, our leaders grovel before it.
The antiFa caracter assecenation crew is up and running in no time.
Notice how quick they have their smear jobs ready.
We have city council elections in the Netherlands in a few days and antiFa are doing the same to the parties on right like the
PVV of Wilders.
Trying to associate him and other parties to criminal behavior or nazi’s.
Their modus operandi is always the same the world over.
The difference now is that we also have knowlegde of
the rules for radicals and TAQIYYA and can’t be fooled any longer.
People in the US have no idea what is going on in europe. In what dire straits we are here.
The time is getting closer and closer where a liberation war can’t be avoided.
There would have to be a landslide election victories all over europe to avoid that.
The past 30 years socialists and muslims have been brainwashing and infiltrating instutions, political parties, public broadcasting and charities. they have been trying to force a wedge between europe and the US and it looks like they are succeeding. Muslim botherhood plans.
Obama is propably an islamist himself seeing what he is also doing to our relations. But luckely there are still large amounts of poeple on both side of the ocean that value our relationship and our common values.
We must fight the islamist left wing alliance.
But remember one thing the islam is a political movement that wants to dominate the world. Therefore it is the ememy of all non-muslims. Atheists, christians, jews, hindu’s and boedists we must have one goal and that should be to get islam out of the free world.
A reconquista.
Also never forget a moderate muslim has the same end goal as bomber muslims. Don’t be fooled and manipulated by the illusion that islam it self can be changed and that somehow a muslim forgets where his loyalties lie. That cognitive dissonance is what they count on while the colonisation of the west continues.
teacake wrote:
we know her type…
@ typtypo:
My Ancestors from Spain ddi in their Reconquista. I support all European Resistance against Islamo-Imperialism.
I’m a Spaniard/Lebanese-Dominican/Sicilian/Puerto Rican American who supports the EDL!
@ typtypo:
Ignore obama, his heart is not American.
interesting afternoon…. gotta catch the bus now.
@ typtypo:
i hear wilders’ party is going to win in a few areas.
typtypo wrote:
a very important message for us.
I read the entire thread and have 2 points to make 1) Generally speaking, I am a “Borders, Language, Culture” kind of guy and support those who think likewise. The defense of western, Judeo-Christian values is serious business and should be taken seriously. As with everything, the devil is in the details. I wish our British brothers and sisters courage, AND wisdom. Both traits compliment one another. 2) It would be a mistake for American’s to project their prejudices and predilections onto the Brits. We aren’t there and don’t really know what life is like on a day to day basis there, especially in the Islamist infested communities.
Guggi wrote:
He’s gone off to watch Mr. Holland’s Opus.
Bluebird wrote:
One can only hope.
An aside to CW and/or Rodan: Is there any possibility of setting up a second comment thread on this topic? I can easily see this thread getting up to 600-800 comments, and load times become slow.
on a releated note
from powerline
Unholy Alliance
We’ve written many times about the seemingly odd-bedfellow alliance between the Left and Islamic radicals. Today, the Telegraph reports on the “infiltration” of the Labour Party by Islamists:
how timley
@ MrPaulRevere:
yeah….that might be a good call.
is m or rodan around (i’m not as slick as they are)
@ coldwarrior:
Thet are running in two cities only.
They don’t want to make the mistake to grow to big to soon and end up falling apart by antiFa infiltration or own agenda cowboys.
Of some note:
The “New World” was in fact of the matter, an “Old World”.
This “Old World” had a knowing of the sun, wind, rain, thunderstorms, lighting, warming , cooling, dry and wet too.
http://www.exploratorium.edu/chaco/
Who comes to a way of knowing late?
A moderate Muslim is one who is content to let his “brothers” carry out the jihad.
@ rain of lead:
i knew about this from being over at EDL blog…it is very timely and needs to be looked into here in the US. have we been infiltrated?
just a little ot
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ya'll like this avitar, I'm liking this one
coldwarrior– great thread, thanks!
typtypo– the key word here in the US that I always watch for is “anti-fascist”… first time I heard it was from an elderly commie who was telling me why he wasn’t allowed to enlist during WWII. He had been involved in the Spanish Civil War on the communist side and called himself a “premature anti-fascist”.
These days a person using the word in the US is either a commie, an anarchist, or an extreme leftist/socialist– and he is lying to you.
Sorry to hear you have problems with “AntiFa’s” there. It is the leftist version of taqquiya.
STC
@ MrPaulRevere:
excellent points.
@ teacake:
I saw a picture (maybe photoshop) of a sign in kenya saying
Welcome to kenya birth country of obama
@ Sylvester T Cat:
and thank you…this was in the works for a while
@ coldwarrior:
even if we have, the left will react like they did in the 50′s
with the commies
@ rain of lead:
i like it
coldwarrior wrote:
If the mice start to slow down throw another kitty in.
@ rain of lead:
i know, they will try their anti-mcarthy style tactics.
this is one of the reasons i put up this post and the blog is allying itself with EDL, islamification is happening in europe and we need to watch out and prevent it as well.
@ Sylvester T Cat:
Didn’t Winston Churchill say that the fascists of tomorrow would call themselves anti-fascists?
@ Guggi:
What CJ thinks, doesn’t matter anywhere. The EDL appears to be a significantly large group with varied support. As far as I’m concerned the jury is still out. Not a pure anti Islam group, not a pure supremist group, not a pure ‘hooligan’ group. The only ‘pure’ groups are by nature fascists. While they may have messed up a few soccer games, I have seen no evidence of them murdering Jews, lynching blacks or stoning unfaithful spouses. I judge people and groups of people by their proven actions, not an internet photo or link. The correspondence between the founding fathers could be used to paint them as any number of crazy extremists but the product of their actions turned out OK.
What they SAY is that they are against Islamic extremist goals.
That puts them on MY side until they show otherwise.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
yeah, rodan is aware and is on that, we may he may put up another thread on this post later…
BTW, has anyone read ‘Soul Crew Seasiders’? If so, comment on the use of the word ‘darkies’ and its’ context.
[...] is a great letter from the EDL to my allies as the Blogmacracy Hi coldwarrior (and [...]
coldwarrior wrote:
I am very pleased to hear that. I hope to learn how we might help them!
@ Poteen:
thats a great outlook, and a good approach.
i like what i see from the EDL thusfar, i am sure they have a few bad eggs, i have watched them try to clean out their organization, they are very careful not to be a bunch of bnp thugs.
coldwarrior wrote:
yeah, the battle flag of cthulhu seems about right for these times
MrPaulRevere wrote:
What he said.
Guramit Singh NEEDS to speak and write about the Wadda Ghallooghaaraa — the Greater Sikh Holocaust of 1762 and the Chhotaa Ghallooghaaraa — the Lesser Sikh Holocaust of 1746…
Jihad genocide at its worst.
rain of lead wrote:
I’m assuming you couldn’t find a photo of a geezer holding up an 800lb bike. So …given that, yeah, it’s a pretty nice avitar!
archonix wrote:
teacake wrote:
And it apparently has. Guggi’s got a chip on her shoulder and finds evil everywhere except for where it lives. It appears that even the old meme “Talk To The Hand” is a nazi salute.
rain of lead wrote:
The best part of your new avatar is that it doesn’t make you butt look fat.
@ MrPaulRevere:
And it is not only Britain but the world over.
It is something like clockwork orange.
We are watching like in a dream and just can not beleave it.
The amount of demonisation of islamwatchers by main stream media not only in the US is unbeleavable. Beyond comprehention. Orwellian.
Nazi goebbels propaganda slowly sneaking in and trying to isolate voices that speak up against the islam.
Nascism, the islam, communism and anti fascists are nearly the same thing that is one thing I can no longer deny.
I would like Trevor Kelways thoughts on Chris Renton.