No you idiot we wanted to annihilate the Japanese becasue they were set on domination of the Pacific and were committing genocide in China, Korea, the Phllipines and throughout the Pacific. Just when you think that Hollywood liberals cannot get any stupider, crap like what Tom Hanks said comes along. We fought the Japanese because they declared war on us, attacked us, and refused to surrender – and you can tell that to your friend the phony conservative Clint Eastwood too.
► Hot Linksby Michael van der Galien
Although I am used to Hollywood stars making the most outrageous, anti-American and downright stupid statements, I’ve got to admit that I was taken aback by this post over at Hot Air, nonetheless. Its subject: Tom Hanks said recently that America wanted to ”annihilate the Japanese because they were different.” Yes, seriously:
As John Nolte explains at Big Hollywood, “no matter how many times you read this passage the context is clear. By ‘different’ Hanks is clearly referring to race, culture and religion, not ideology.”
He is pleased that The Pacific has fulfilled an obligation to our World War II vets. He doesn’t see the series as simply eye-opening history. He hopes it offers Americans a chance to ponder the sacrifices of our current soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. “From the outset, we wanted to make people wonder how our troops can re-enter society in the first place,” Hanks says. “How could they just pick up their lives and get on with the rest of us? Back in World War II, we viewed the Japanese as ‘yellow, slant-eyed dogs’ that believed in different gods. They were out to kill us because our way of living was different. We, in turn, wanted to annihilate them because they were different. Does that sound familiar, by any chance, to what’s going on today?”
As John Nolte explains at Big Hollywood, “no matter how many times you read this passage the context is clear. By ‘different’ Hanks is clearly referring to race, culture and religion, not ideology.”
Again, the reason I refuse to put any of my hard earned cash into their pockets.
And which side is biotching about the Toyotas?
That Pearl Harbor thing had absolutely nothing to do with it either.
yeah…i dont go to the movies, ever. this stuff just makes me spend my $$$ elsewhere
The Japanese atrocities in the Pacific, well they could have taught the S.S. and Gestapo how to commit cruelty.
Actors aren’t that special. Get rid of all of them. They can easily be replaced. Just like jazz guitarists.
snork wrote:
I will admit, I really have not followed that story at all. But something just does not sit right with me on this. Not so much on the Toyota end.
Tom Hanks always came across as a sensible liberal – I guess my impression of him was really wrong.
We were so racist and wanted to annihilate them so much that we rebuilt that nation into a democratic society and the economic power house that it is.
Speranza wrote:
yeah! we showed them!
Well it’s official… Tom Hanks is just another hollyweird moron dumbass. i’m done with him!
This is why I only watch movies I can steal off the Internet.
Formercorpsman wrote:
toyota is #17 in the list of recalls of the manufacturers that sell in the US market…#17…and they get to go up in front of govt and explain themselves.
#17…
Speranza wrote:
He always came across to me as Forrest Gump. Only not quite so honorable.
@ coldwarrior:
and we protected them 9and still do) against all external threats so they could spend all their time making money and had a very small defense budget.
Damn it…I’ve been looking forward to this series for years, since it was announced after the great success of “Band Of Brothers.” If Hanks and the writers have f’d it up with a lot of “cultural-sensitivity” of the gag-me-with-a-shovel, modern-day-Hollywood variety, I won’t be able to watch it.
My Dad was in the Army Air Corps, and flew about 75 missions as part of a B-29 bomber crew. His brother was in the Marines, and was fighting on Iwo Jima while my Dad was bombing them from the air. The family joke later was that my Dad was trying to kill his brother, but considering the high number of friendly-fire casualties in that and other Pacific battles, it’s not really the funniest of jokes.
Oh well, we’ll give the series a chance. Stupid Hanks, just shut up.
and by the way, even though we are talking about the Japanese in World War II, this is not a Japan bashing thread in case people want to know. We are talking about undeniable facts about the Japanese atrocities and behavior from 1931-45. (referring to the Spain thread from earlier today)
I had something in my mind all day. This sort of dovetails into it.
Some months ago, that knucklehead john Stewart made similar comments, and Bill Whittle made a video retort that just totally skewered him in retort. It was unreal.
I don’t watch much television, but if I catch any news, it is usually Fox, and to a much lesser degree, the other channels for obvious reasons.
I have to think, if an entity such as Pajama’s Media, or the like decided to start their own cable network, it would have to fly. Fox is the only voice out there compared to the plethora of leftist meme spewed by the others.
The reason I think it dovetails, is because imbeciles like Hanks, (albeit good actors) just give too many opportunities, or material to work with.
This could be a field day.
What a fuckstick revisionist. The record is there for all to see. Too bad another commie propagandist named Doris Chang isn’t alive to rip him a new one over the minutiate of the Bushido Code.
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Statism_in_Shōwa_Japan
Bases of Japanese nationalism
Main article: Japanese nationalist thinking in the Meiji era
Japanese nationalism is in fact quite different from European fascism, yet in parts its development can be seen as comparable.
The Yamato Empire had the concept of the state as led by a powerful singular leader (Emperor). In feudal times, the military caste, which included the bushi and the samurai, were organized as a single headquarters-like structure, the Shogunate, which represented the required civil and political power. In this period, the Shogunate constituted the basic social composition, power structures and the foundation of law. It can be divided into three stages: Kamakura Period (1185-1333), Muromachi Period (1338-1573) and Tokugawa Period (1603-1867).
editors note: You will find the rest at the link above…
@ garycooper:
The Japanese literally had to be exterminated because their code of Bushido condemned as cowards any solider who allowed himself to be taken prisoner.
Speranza wrote:
see, that’ll show them! we are so unjust and racist!
@ coldwarrior:
I guess I would not put it past certain entities to pursue mountain & molehills in the name of market share.
Correction:
They attacked us, then declared war. Big difference.
They had no choice in the surrender, we could build and drop a few more A bombs that would turn Japan into a glass Island.
@ Scott Madsen:
That was the motherlode of all posts!
We out pissed and vinegerd them plane and simple.
Tom Hanks has turned out to be a pussy suck out for a buck in Hollywood.
Fuck the New Versailles, all of them
Formercorpsman wrote:
gotta make those toyotas cost the same as the gm’s who have to carry bloated pensions and retiree health care packages that are piled onto the price of every car
Well, when Hillary steps down, I guess we all know now who 0 will pick for his next Secretary of State.
@ Scott Madsen:
Hanks and Spielberg think that they discovered the Second World War.
Spielberg’s Munich was an abominable film.
Beltfed wrote:
That’s not quite true, which is why we couldn’t afford to do a “demo” on some little island. We had two, and the pipeline was pretty empty. If they hadn’t surrendered, it would have been months, and then only one.
Harry bluffed them. They didn’t have to surrender, and Truman knew that, but they didn’t.
@ Speranza:
Sorry, I could have just linked, but I want it there for all observers to see.
Japan had mideval issues and to be put needed put down. We had the stones then for the job.
Today with Isalm resurgent and Tranzis using crisis to enslave us…..we’ll just have to wait and see what man truly is.
I am soooooo sick of these actors who think that because they can memorize lines and regurgitate them well, that makes them de facto experts on everything. Almost as irritating as musicians who think they’re scientists.
The USA is the bad guy.
Period.
= the Abstract, Evidence, and Conclusion of all revisionists.
(P.S. thanks Scott, for posting information that lends info & support to the notion that the big, bad USA didn’t (and still doesn’t) exist and act in a geopolitcal vacuum)
@ snork:
You are right. The supply of Atomic bombs was limited.
@ Daffy Duck:
You knew here?
PIMF – “new”
No dumbass – it was all about Pearl Harbor!
Hey, GaryCooper! Watch Band of Brothers – Haven’t seen it (yet) but hear nothing but good things about it.
@ coldwarrior:
http://biggovernment.com/libertychick/2010/03/09/firestone-revisited-was-toyota-a-takedown-target-in-the-name-of-nummi/
@ snork:
snork, you ok with the noon/est spot tomorrow on your post?
Why do actors feel qualified to pontificate and have their feeble ‘profundities’ taken seriously?. Their job is to pretend to be someone else. No matter how good they are at it, at the end of the day, they do the same shit I did when I was 8 years old and are about as mature.
@ Speranza:
Negative, just haven’t posted in a while. Try to read every day, though.
@ Scott Madsen:
“If they do not now accept our terms, they may expect a rain of ruin from the air the likes of which has never been seen on this earth.” -Harry S. Truman .
@ coldwarrior:
The one in the queue? Sure.
@ Bluebird:
I would no more listen to an actor on politics then I would my mechanic. Come to think of it, my mechanic has more “real world” experience then any actors.
@ Scott Madsen:
I edited that post cause it was too damn long. Thanks.
@ Bluebird:
Probably for the same reason that numerous otherwise “nobody’s” need to have a mybook / facespace webpage = they’re attention whores ^nth degree.
Speranza wrote:
Grandad MIA at Normandy. They can’t inform me of shit concerning that endevour.
The documentries were made in thew fifties for all of us to watch in 16mm on Fridays in grade school during the Sixties.
Just rewriting it for the New Man they are.
I guess I am one of Bill Ayers 25 million.
That Tom HAnks quote is offensive.
If wat he said were true, why was it necessary to liberate all those little islands, the Phillipines, Burma, China, and numerous other places.
Heck they were ready to invade Alaska .
They had a treaty with Hitler to divide up the US.
Cheez could he be any more disingenuous. He MUST know these things.
He is just being a lefty prick.
OT- anyone catch Rep.Patrick Kennedy’s meltdown on TV today? He makes his late father seem a model of sobriety.
@ Scott Madsen:
I’m sorry about your grandfather. God bless him for his sacrifice.
My grandmother was one of the most openminded people I knew-except when it came to Japan. She never forgave them for what they did to so many of her friends’ husbands who were captured.
And as far as Dads go mine did Guadalcanal, Leyte, Corregidor, BAtaan IwoJima and Okinawa at least.
And it wasn’t out of racial hatred for the JApanese.
vapig wrote:
I’ve seen it several times. I think it’s pretty great, for the most part. I also thought Spielberg’s “Private Ryan” was excellent, and looks and feels like an extended-chapter of “Band Of Brothers.”
@ Scott Madsen:
I wonder if your grandfather ever met my great uncle. He was also a footsoldier that came ashore at Omaha Beach.
@ garycooper:
any film with Matt Damon in is suspect in my eyes.
livefreeor die wrote:
You want to talk about not forgiving the Japanese, talk to a Korean sometime.
snork wrote:
or a Filipino
@ garycooper:
The opening scene from Private Ryan should be mandatory viewing for all high schoolers. Of course, our school system wouldn’t want to pre-empt the 49th showing of “An Inconvenient Truth”…
Scott Madsen wrote:
Doubtful, snce you are aware of his ‘plan’…..
jimash wrote:
In order – according to the revisionists I ‘debate:’ Oil, rubber, labor, and cover for the preceding three.
@ snork:
Include the Chinese.
snork wrote:
Furthermore, there is this; if you do a “demonstration”—”We could do this, if you don’t do that“—that shows, not strength, but weakness, to a warrior culture, because it shows that you don’t have the guts to use the weapon(s) you have.
A “demonstration” would have lengthened the war, not shortened it. To get proper perspective on this, read Paul Fussell’s excellent essay, “Thank God For the Atom Bomb.” Hell, read the whole book, which is named after that essay.
@ jimash:
the DID invade alaska.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Even after Hiroshima and Nagaski the Imperial council was split 50/50 whether to surrender, the Emperor broke the tie. A demonstration of the Atomic bomb would have accomplished nothing.
Speranza wrote:
Well, I saw that movie long before I heard Damon’s ignorant views on things. He wasn’t a big part of the movie, anyway, though he does have one big scene where he gets to act brave and noble.
@ Speranza:
he appeared quite deranged!
Speranza wrote:
MAAAATTTTT DAAAAAAMON!
Daffy Duck wrote:
That’s it in a nutshell. That’s the essential message.
Scott Madsen wrote:
You’re thing on Japan is so apropos to what we’re facing with Islam! If we went Medieval on them the way we did on Japan (we destroyed their God-Emporer!) the world would be well rid of a monstrous menace!
@ savage:
Yep, sorry. I saw Hanks on this tonight and I threw a rod over it then and pulled tje trigger hard on this one.
It is all out there in the record. What are they going to do, burn libraies too?
They count on the ignorant. I just didn’t expect Hanks to be such a sgill. What the fuck is happening. I will not watch the pacific, i don’t need the war porn. There will be enogh firsthand the way this is going.
This shit hits home. I have the medals and memorial certs for the Normandy cemetary and Arlington in the basement.
Fuck, Fuck, Fuck
…and i did learn calligraphy, tea ceremony, and origami from my female japanese school friend as a boy in LA and have an affinity for some of their culture.. So I am not a kneejerk racist objectifing kill them all zenophobe Mr Hanks….and Chuck too.
Kirly wrote:
If he were a Republican, Olbermann would be playing the rant over and over again.
Btw I am geting real tired of Glenn Beck. His ignorance of Europe and world affairs is embarassing. Just my opinion.
IF the U.S. is so awful, why do all these people stay here? Wouldn’t they be happier in Cuba or North Korea?
livefreeor die wrote:
True dat! They are killing their own meal ticket! I can’t watch any movie with any actor (and I don’t care how “talented” they are) who has pissed on my country!
My comments about Beck were brought on by his claiming that Geert Wilders is a fascist. Something I would expect from husky pony tail guy.
@ Scott Madsen:
Oh, that’s ok, I just kept scrolling and scrolling and scrolling until my eyes crossed. Thats a great article you posted, however.
Leftists torque me off too….
@ vapig:
Agreed.
Speranza wrote:
I don’t have the quote – but I remember reading that Truman promised to destroy Japan, “City, by City, by City!”
@ Speranza:
I’m totally done with Glenn Beck also.
livefreeor die wrote:
I couldn’t agree more. The sacrifices made by the Greatest Generation are not high on the list of desirable-topics in history classes. My daughters took (one is currently taking) Advanced Placement American History in high school, which is taught by a young teacher (about 30) who is much more interested in our nation’s lesser-moments. I was going to tell him about it, but my wife prevailed, and I let it go.
livefreeor die wrote:
If you read (and I don’t assume you haven’t) our GI’s accounts of fighting those people it’s really easy to hate them. Until you meet who they are NOW!
@ savage:
Good to hear. I respected his work regarding Vann Jones and ACORN and that CJ hated him, but I was never an acolyte of a guy who cries on TV.
By the way, what is wrong about in war trying to annihilate your enemy?
@ wolfie:
Thank you, wolfie. That “formula” works for every “progressive” (read: communist) issue that I’ve applied it to (see: AGW / climate change, for example). Progs imagine a premise, and work backwards to ‘prove’ it. It is the only way they can rationalize their ‘world-views.’
Sucks to be them.
Speranza wrote:
LOL! No shit – they still aren’t over that!
@ Speranza:
That is the entire point in war, to utterly defeat your enemy until he either surrenders or vanishes off the face of the earth.
vapig wrote:
He pretty much kept the promise, too. My Dad said they were running out of targets towards the end, on their bombing-runs. Most of Japan was turned upside-down, Tokyo was torched, the factories were annihilated, etc. As others have said, though, the Japanese were still not willing to surrender.
vapig wrote:
Read about what the Japanese did to Manila. They gave them the Nanking treatment.
savage wrote:
I’m not done with him yet – but he needs to fix that. He had Wilders on his show and I don’t understand the back stabbing!
livefreeor die wrote:
At the risk of receiving accusations of ‘dehumanizing’ an opponent to make it easier to attack them, I equate Progs with locusts (or parasites). They don’t want to create or exist anywhere (permanently), they just want to destroy. When they’re done “feeding,” they’ll move on. Witness, 1.0.
Radical Islam wants to annihilate the civilized world because we’re ‘different’.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Plus, you have yet another critical issue. What if the damn thing didn’t work? If they dropped a dud in a surprise attack on Hiroshima, no foul. If you invite them to a demo, and nothing happens, then you REALLY, REALLY look like a fool.
savage wrote:
Quite concur! However tell that to our former Sec of State and before that Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell (RINO)who thought the purpose of war was to play international social worker and guidance counselor.
vapig wrote:
I think Beck has a brilliant mind however his screws are not too tight.
snork @ 29:
I’m sure the Marines, Sailors and the returning Soldiers from the European theater who were going to invade mainland Japan would not mind waiting a few months while we built a few more Boom Booms to vaporize Japanese cities.
It would be that hell out of invading.
Didn’t a few high raking military officers try to stop the Emperor from making his surrender speech and surrender?
I remember a documentary of that a few years ago.
@ Speranza:
You forgot “meels on wheels,” otherwise, spot on.
@ Speranza:
If I had been POTUS when Gen Powell said those statements, I would have demanded his retirement IMMEDIATELY.
@ savage:
29th Inantry Battalion headquarters company scout/FAO at Omaha. His landing craft was hit by direct fire from an 88mm. 38 MIA, 8 KIA, four survived.
He was an MIA and has a memorial at Normandy and Arlington.
We, our family, my father never knew what action had consumed him as an MIA until my brother (Army Intel in the nineties) researched the AARs from Normandy.
This war orphaned my father, and even though I was born 16 years later affected and formed my personal ethos as an American.
I am now into my fourth tequila double and have to go before I get really stupid over this.
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Beltfed wrote:
Yes soem officers treid a palace coup.
You read how fanatical the Japanese were in defending Iwo Jima and Okinawa – a fight on the home islands (the Japanese had 2.5 million soldiers and millions of armed civilians -would have made Okinawa seem like a day in the aprk.
@ Beltfed:
I believe Tojo was in charge then.
garycooper wrote:
No they weren’t – they were all (including women and children) devoted to their God-Emporer and would have been willing to die for him.
I have a book called, “The Last Mission,” which kinda details that it was the last fire-bombing run that actually took out the cities power at a time when the Japanese Elite were going to incarcerate their “God” for his own good becaude he was going to surrender against their will. Only that incident foiled them – this seems to be acknowledged from the war trails (never publisized in the US as the German ones wwere) records.
PIMF – Yes soem officers treid a palace coup, should be some officers tried
eyes are too bleary.
Speranza wrote:
I don’t need to – I’ve read abot the Bataan Death March and what they did to the locals!
Speranza wrote:
saudi money=editorial control so beck might just call the biggest threat to islam in continental Europe a fascist…just sayin
Prince Alwaleed
He’s a prince! He graduated summa cum laude from Menlo University in 1979! He’s the Saudi Warren Buffet! He’s also Fox News’ fourth biggest investor–although Prince Alwaleed bin Talal claims that he’s the second biggest investor in News Corp.,
savage wrote:
No I am pretty certain that Hideki Tojo was out of power by then. The coup was by a bunch of younger officers
@ Beltfed:
That’s the thing. If the bluff had failed, I don’t know if they could have gone into a holding pattern waiting for nuke manufacturing to catch up. I really don’t know when they finally did have numbers, but I can’t picture MacArthur sitting on his thumbs for a year or two. Wasn’t going to happen.
@ vapig:
Speranza wrote:
Alot of what I’ve seen is probably showboat – however – I don’t like the back stabbing of Wilders! I understand his point of slamming Europe as a whole, however, why would you slam a guy who is trying to do the right thing?
coldwarrior wrote:
Ok = that Saud money might be a problem! I hate to think that our only nuetral news source has been bought off. That so totally sucks it’s unreal. If we loose them we’re done.
garycooper wrote:
It took some of them longer than others to get around to it, e.g. Hiroo Onoda. Pretty amazing.
garycooper wrote:
That’s a problem. We can’t let this crap go. Revisionist history is destroying our conception of ourselves as a nation. Reagan knew this was coming and he called it out in his farewell address.
“I’m warning of an eradication of the American memory that could result in the erosion of the American spirit”
@ Speranza:
Indeed!
Speranza wrote:
You are right-he was no longer the PM after the Marianas were lost.
But, Hanks is right in a sense–this was a war of annihilation. It’s just the Japanese started it.
My uncle was part of the planned invasion force of Japan. The things they were preparing for make the moslems look downright pleasant. Thank G-d the invasion became an occupation. Many died as a result of the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki but millions would have died otherwise.
@ vapig:
their ratings will slip if they get too cozy with the sand ticks…beck needs to retract his bullshit statement…fox pulled the clip form youtube and they never do that, so we will see.
@ Beltfed:
Remember the SEAL friend I told you about? This was his first unit.
There wasn’t much prisoner taking on either side according to him.
calcajun wrote:
You also have to understand that the European Front had been essentially won and the American people just wanted it over with. The Japanese weren’t willing to concede defeat. It became a matter of annihilation when they wouldn’t budge. The country was war weary and we wanted it over – we got it over.
I just wish we’d use the same tactics with islam. In the long run it would save so many more lives – just as the nukes in Japan did!
@ coldwarrior:
yeah, fox pulled that clip and denied even embedding their own copy anyplace. however, it IS still available on their website.
coldwarrior wrote:
If they were paid Saud money they should give it back! I’ll never watch it again if they’ve been infiltrated!
@ Poteen:
The sad thing about Hanks isn’t his grasp of history. After making the Pacific series he knows what the truth is, he just wants to tell one side of the story to placate his lefty friends.
Dale Dye was the Military advisor on the film. I don’t think he’d let it be a soldier basher.
The liberals have a terrible problem when it comes to believing that it’s better for wars to go on for hundreds of years rather than let one side lose.
If the liberals had WWII to do over again, they would want it to drag on forever rather than seeing Nazi Germany or Japan feel humiliated by losing. They would want America to spend 65 years negotiating for a peaceful resolution.
This is why the Arab-Israeli conflict is still going on, too. The powers of the world can’t bear the thought of the Arabs totally losing since they are the underdogs with brownish skin, so the Arab-Israel conflict will never end.
Germans living today sometimes bring up the prospect of getting REPARATIONS for Germany being defeated. Their government tells them to shut the hell up when the subject comes up, but it’s only a matter of time until American liberals go on an apology tour for WWI and WWII with reparations for everyone but America.
Eliana wrote:
The Mouse that Roared.
Poteen @ 111:
That was true, the one captured by the Japanese soon found out that it would be better to have died in battle.
This months Leatherneck Magazine, there’s a story of the Massacre in Palawan Philippines.
The Japanese were doing this in just about every POW camp.
This is less funny than that comedy he was in, Philadelphia
The NY nannies are trying to outdo themselves as the state continues to sink:
Chefs Call Proposed New York Salt Ban ‘Absurd’
Did somebody empty the funny farm?
Although the bolded quote is rediculous, I think we are misreading the statement in context. Read the whole paragraph again. In totality its all over the place.
His comments aren’t necessarily the stupid Anti-American nonsense they seem but instead actually part of a moral equivalence where both sides are the same (the Japanese that attacked us without reason, and the U.S. that responded).
@ Beltfed:
The Japanese IIRC never signed the Geneva accords.
Surrendering or taking prisoners wasn’t usually an option any GI cared to choose. The stories I got from the Chief mirror those at the 503rd website.
WrathofG-d wrote:
Actually, that’s exactly backward. They hated us for being racially inferior, and we were not having any of the way they “lived”, as in acts of war, atrocities, etc.
Idiot.
snork @ 117:
Remember that movie, Invade New York, funny as hell.
@ snork:
No, no, no….it is the U.S. that is the oppressor, and the only Country (excluding little USA – Israel of course) that is racist!
/
Tom knows this because when he travels across the world, staying in the finist hotels, in a expensive bubble of protection, meeting only those people who are worthy, and willing to kiss his butt, he gets a real feel of the peaceful internationalism of humanity.
@ snork:
I’ve never seen The Mouse that Roared, but I just read a synopsis of it. Sounds pretty funny!
howdy eliana.
Poteen @ 121:
That was the case with the North Vietnam also. We carried the Geneva Convection cards with us (still have mine) in case of capture, the standing joke then was that if captured the NVA would say, “This ain’t Geneva GI”
In most Grunt units capturing prisoners is not at the top of their “to do list” only when orders come from above that they need prisoners that some attempt is made to capture prisoners.
The reward for a live enemy capture was three days in country R&R.
Eliana @ 125:
Poteen wrote:
Dale Dye is pathetic. He is a lefty shill to hollywood, good enough to provide “realistic footage and verbiage” but a tool nonetheless.
Tom Hanks’ comment is equally ridiculous. The Japanese were running roughshod throughout Asia, the insatiable quest for natural resource, that ironically, we had begin to deny them, because of their aggressive and imperialistic actions.
The Japanese Navy wanted no part of a war against the United States, the Japanese Army demanded an attack against the US. A large struggle between the branches. However, the Army knew they were ultimately facing disaster if the US Navy was able to transit unchecked through the Pacific. Admiral Yamamoto, the planner and executer of the attack on Pearl Harbor, was Vice Chief of the Navy, and was “demoted” to Fleet Command to conduct the attack against the US Pacific Fleet. Yamamoto, a very wise tactician and strategist, who had been through high-level military schools in the US, knew his sole target was the aircraft carriers in Pearl, which were out to sea conducting training on that fateful day.
Tom as far as exterminating the Japanese, they were busy attempting to exterminate or colonize all of Asia. From Korea, China, Okinawa, Burma, the Philippines, the Japanese were on a murderous spree of killing, rape and thievery. Stealing lumber, meat, steel and anything else that would help them maintain industry and economy on the mainland. Yes, I did say Okinawa, which was no less brutalized than other countries. And these were “nominal Japanese citizens”.
I type this as I prepare yet again to travel the battlesites of WWII. From today in Manila Bay, to Formosa tonight (Taiwan), and back to Okinawa tomorrow morning, followed in 10 days by a trip to Hawaii, and finally back here to the Philippines for the next 6 months to fight the jihad.
@ WrathofG-d:
Howdy Wrath!!
Beltfed@ 128:
PIMF
@ The Osprey:
3.8 TRILLION UPDINGS!
@ Eliana:
Nu, mah matzav? Kol b’seder?
Poteen wrote:
Really really strange thing for him to say considering. I’m just looking forward to the day that suddenly all the wackos wake up and go …. hummmm… ohhhhh!
So “they’re” different. “We’re” racist – has the elitist crowd ever figured out why they hate Jews yet? I’m still waiting for that one. lol Different?
Poteen @ 11:
The slide show in that page is awesome, that’s a keeper. Thanks
@ WrathofG-d:
Ken, hakol beseder.
Ma nishma?
@ bluliner10:
I know that history. I also know what a good friend who lived the battles told me about. Thats what Hanks is babbling about. See my comments to Beltfed above.<
@ Eliana:
klum, ani kolech leshon. Lila tov!
Wow, this is a beautiful Public Service Announcement from the UK!!
Surprising ‘buckle up’ PSA (video)
Beltfed wrote:
Read through some of the articles. Some of those guys don’t write well but the stories they tell don’t need much help.
@ WrathofG-d:
Lehitraot! Lila tov!
@ vapig:
No– it was a war of annihilation from the start– from 12/7/1941, through Bataan onward.
WrathofG-d wrote:
And Hedi Klum to you, too.
teacake wrote:
They never will. I’m looking forward to watching the series. I hope it’s as straightforward as Band of Brothers. If they do it the same way, it’ll be a little grittier and darker than BoB.
Hanks is talking shit to shitheads. I hope he didn’t carry it into the story. We’ll see.
@ Poteen:
There were 55 Japanese POW’s from Corregidor, 22 surrenders and 23 captured alive. As the Filipina tour guide joked there were once 2 levels to Corregidor, Topside, bottomside after the US began to reassault Corregidor, the Japanese added a 3rd side, suicide.
snork wrote:
livefreeor die wrote:
The actors and actresses are hollow vessels. Many never got past the childhood game of “Let’s Pretend.” The game is fun, pretending to be something you’re not and getting paid to play the game of make-believe; but their work is VERY sporadic, and they are compelled to produce something to keep getting the attention they crave.
Think of it. You get to play pretend for a few months, and while you’re collecting the royalty checks, you can blow snot and call it intelligence while you’re waiting for the invitation to the next game.
bluliner10 wrote:
That was the nature of that war.
My old friend jumped into Markham Valley in 1943.
‘Surrendering ‘Japs killed some troopers, according to him so they never even tried to take anymore prisoners.
This is a song from Israel that made it to the Eurovision song contest in 2007. It’s sung in English, French and Hebrew. It’s a silly group with a silly song, but people in Israel voted it in as the song to send to the contest (which shows the Israeli sense of humor a bit).
There are subtitles in English.
@ Bunk X:
Great work if you can get it.
@ Poteen:
The nature of the war was never hidden after 1943. FDR allowed unedited footage of the assault on Tarawa to be shown in newsreels. But the thing that I remember was watching “The World at War” as a kid and seeing a newsreel of Marine training at Pendelton where an instructor told his class, “If you have to run any risk at all to take a Jap prisoner, then you don’t take him.” Of course there were atrocities committed on both sides in the PTO–but make no mistake–it was the Japanese that set the tone.
Poteen wrote:
Sean Penn is a great American hero. Pheew.
@ bluliner10:
And if I remember right the last Japanese soldier finally surrendered in Guam in the 60s.
@ calcajun:
Exactly. Thats what I said.
Nonetheless in the Pacific war it wasn’t practical anyway. Battles were fought often without support or rear areas to deliver prisoners to.
‘Lines’ were pretty much nonexistent.
Different from Europe.
Poteen @ 149:
That and faking death until the Americans were close enough to detonate a grenade or allow them to pass by then get up and shoot the Americans in the back was common for the Japanese soldiers.
I had the pleasure of serving with many WWII Marines and know quite a few within our 3rd Marine Division Veterans Associations. Some of the stories they tell make the hair in the back of your neck stand up.
None of today’s PC crap back then that’s for sure.
Bunk X wrote:
Life would be boring without Spicoli. C’mon.//////
@ calcajun:
There is a video out there somewhere with interviews of the survivors of Tarawa. No one who took part, including Eddie Albert (Green Acres) smiled about it.
If I recall correctly, a plaque near the Enola Gay said something like “The Japanese felt that they were protecting their unique culture from American imperialism.”
@ Beltfed:
True dat. The old fart turned 87 last month. Still ornery.
3 different yellow hordes, copious amounts of alcohol, bacon and eggs every morning for 30 years that I know of and VA healthcare haven’t been able to kill him. Not till he says so.
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By the way, today Mitt Romney got crossed off my very short list of potentially reasonable GOP politicians.
I’m completely finished with the Republican Party. Please don’t call me a conservative any more… Cool, can we call you fat and broke instead?
mjazz wrote:
Where is the Enola Gay now?
Poteen @ 160:
@ MrPaulRevere:
Can we start the nightly round up of funny shit around the blogs or is it too early?
Do we wait for an open thread? I am on beer #4 so I am not in full flow just yet, I can wait.
@ Bunk X:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_F._Udvar-Hazy_Center
@ Bunk X:
Smithsonian Air & Space
@ MrPaulRevere:
How many times is he planning to quit the right?
He’s also been saying that he was never on the right at all, so these endless goodbyes to the place he claims he never was in the first place are getting really tiring.
CJ, no one thinks you are a conservative.
You are a barking moonbat (and loving every minute of it).
@ Bunk X:
I’ve said it before–the Russian Front was unparalleled for its brutality and savagery. A close second is the PTO.
calcajun wrote:
The annex I think. They rotate stuff through the Smithsonian Air & Space in DC itself. The annex is out by Dulles.
@ Eliana:
He lashes out emotionally, like a 17 year old. My disdain is turning into pity.
After hearing what Tom Hanks is saying against America, I’m a bit wary of seeing the series now (“The Pacific”) — but I’ll watch it anyway.
I’m hoping for the best.
@ Beltfed:
I think I’ve said before that when his friends talk about him we say that when he dies 1000 people will show at the funeral;
500 to say goodbye to 1 of a kind
500 to make goddam sure he’s dead
The VC won’t show cuz they’re afraid he’ll come back.
Oh, and re. Tom Hanks, I say boycott Hollywood entirely, I have for 7 years.
MrPaulRevere @ 161:
It hurts his feelings? Wah wah wah. Somebody get this child somemore fruit and water, please.
@ Beltfed:
One from the Corregidor site.
Possum wrote:
It’s all funny shit. Like Chuck getting his racist panties in a wad about Rush making a pun about Massa.
@ Beltfed:
He was channeling the Founding Fathers earlier, he and he alone knows what they would think of today’s America.
@ MrPaulRevere:
Have we ever? Haven’t called you lucid or intelligent lately either.
calcajun wrote:
The Russians beat the Germans. Brutally. So brutally that the Germans were surrendering to U.S. and Brit forces in massive numbers.
@ Poteen:
If they screwed this one up, I’m going to be pissed.
I just added HBO to my Dish package specifically so I could watch it.
Possum wrote:
I say go for it, I’m just sitting here working down (another) stack of bills.
Eliana wrote:
Who needs self-serving hypocritical prima-donnas? Go back to kindlegarten.
Well, I just saw something funny on the MSNBC website (which I check periodically to see what the ‘bats are up to) — and this is pretty cute:
Toilets of the future!!
Are you ready for the toilet of the future?
Amenities include heated seats, sound effects, lids that raise automatically
@ Eliana:
The heated seat might work
Wasn’t there a scene in the “No Time for Sergeants” movie where Andy Griffith rigged the toilets to salute at the same time by all the toilets raising their lids at once?
@ Eliana: Not as good as Andy Griffith in “No Time For Sergeants” though.
@ Eliana:
That one was before my time, but at least Hollywood was sane then…
@ Bunk X:
“embarrassing ambient noise”. Heh.
@ MrPaulRevere:
I think I saw “No Time for Sergeants” on cable at some point.
It seems vaguely familiar.
Especially the saluting toilets.
Poteen @ 175:
One of my buddies has some slides of Corregidor that he took when we visited the Island during our stop in Olongapo PI for training before heading to Nam.
They had a lot of weaponry there in display along with all the bunkers and shot up walls and destroyed buildings. It’s a big Island.
Funniest thing I saw today on the World Wide Blog thingy was a blog associated with a really well known Government Controlled broadcasting company (BBC) that posted an interview with a well known vocally anti-islamic extremist website (LGF) that amongst other things features someone’s avitar of a character pissing on the word ****** (I do not want to offend)
Great! So Ponytail got even MORE exposure and hits and traffic.
Oh, what is the down side?. It was transmitted on the Arabic BBC world service. Aimed at Afghanistan, Iran and the tall guy who is hiding in a cave near Tora Bora.
Nice one Charles! You gave them up to date pictures of yourself.
*really laughing at Charles Foster Johnson, star of Arabian TV*
@ Possum:
He is also commenting on others blogs now, in an attempt to explain himself and rescue his reputation. http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/09/charles-johnson-of-l.html
@ Possum:
I saw that, the dude has a face made for blogging. The camera is NOT his friend.
@ MrPaulRevere:
He can’t begin to imagine how bad it looks to ban someone from commenting on his blog simply because they don’t link to his blog anymore on their own website.
He also bans people for linking to websites that he doesn’t like.
He also bans people for writing on websites that he doesn’t like.
I don’t know a single blog ANYWHERE than bans people for “cheating on the blog” (blogal infidelity) by writing on another blog somewhere.
The only time it’s NOT LGF blogal infidelity to write on another blog is if the poster says horrid things on another blog (racist insults, etc). THIS is allowed by LGF. If someone goes to other sites to scream the n-word all night, it’s not being unfaithful to LGF so the person isn’t punished for it.
It doesn’t get any weirder than this in the blogging world.
Eliana wrote:
Eliana @ 185:
lol, I remember that movie.
@ Eliana:
Quite concur!
MrPaulRevere wrote:
The one who hollers the loudest is usually the one who is wrong.
@ Bunk X:
After watching that clip I’m sorta glad I missed the movie. Don Knotts voice is torture.
@ Bunk X:
I prefer ‘he that smelt it, dealt it’
@ MrPaulRevere:
If/when people reply to CJ while he’s making appearances at other blogs (where he’s going to try to explain himself), the owners send him the IP address if people disagree with him.
He’s running a little green blogulag while trying to explain himself on other blogs and getting people to invade posters’ privacy on the internet if they say something to him directly on another blog.
He’s a blogosphere weirdo in almost every single way.
In the BBC interview, he acts as if he invented blogging and changed the entire world with it. He seems to claim that the MSM started having their own “blog” pages because of his Rathergate story.
DailyKOS and Democratic Underground were HUGE blogs by that time.
There were all kinds of blogs out there.
He didn’t invent the internet either.
MrPaulRevere wrote:
Don Knotts was only in that one scene. The movie was as great as the book.
@ MrPaulRevere:
As I recall, he had a very small part.
It was mostly Andy Griffith and a fellow soldier.
@ Eliana:
It’s a sad tale, on every level. You’re right, he wants a place in history as the ‘blogfather’. Allahpundit (love him or hate him) is the reigning champ, IMO.
@ Eliana:
As an addendum, where ever you see Charles claiming that he’s a victim, read his comments in your head using the voice of Don Knotts. It cracks me up everytime, but then, I’m easily amused.
I have a silly question; he brags about his page views, but I wonder if it counts as a page view if you hit the new comments button? I’m betting it does.
CJ is looking for control on the internet, of all places.
He can’t control what people think or say about him. He’s out there every day with his thin skin and his determination to answer every word that’s said against him on the internet (unless he just waves a “STALKER” accusation and dismisses the whole website).
He also believes that he won the Bush 2004 election for Bush and that he can do the same for Obama by “exposing” the right wing blogs this year.
He’s not a national celebrity. He’s a guy with a computer somewhere.
He doesn’t determine national elections.
He’s quite literally a legend in his own mind.
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“Over at the Borgmocrazee site, they have now declared Clint Eastwood a phony conservative.
Presumably because he made a movie showing slanty-eyed Hmong people in a positive light.” What the hell is this lunatic talking about? I didn’t read all the comments but I suspect he’s lying.
@ MrPaulRevere:
Someone here spoke of leaving LGF up on a browser at work while he wasn’t there and there was a company record of some outrageous number of views for the page (something like 16,000) while he wasn’t even looking at the screen or clicking on anything.
When LGF was truly popular (while all of us were there), CJ wasn’t hawking himself all over the internet by making guest appearances and trying to get publicity for himself.
He had a huge number of people logging in and he didn’t need to work at it to keep us there.
Now, he’s working at it (every day, pretty much).
He won’t admit it, but his business is hurting.
@ MrPaulRevere:
I haven’t seen anything about this either.
He’s claiming that the entire blog is taking a stand on this, which is ridiculous. No one is forced to agree with anyone else here.
@ Eliana:
I wish poverty on no one, however, actions have consequences as I’m sure one of his beloved scientists would tell him.
MrPaulRevere wrote: What the hell is this lunatic talking about? I didn’t read all the comments but I suspect he’s lying.
The commenters at The Village like to make false accusations, including ExLapper Irish Hose, KKKilgore, and King Liz himself. They play the LBJ game: “Call your opponent a pig fucker and make the bastard deny it.”
Hey!!! Hi guys,
I see Charles Johnson is being featured by the BBC. Great news.
He needs more exposure, especially to our Afghanistan, Iranian and Pakistan friends.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/blogworld/2010/03/charles_johnson_to_be_publishe.html
Comments at the BBC are screened, moderated, sifted, fact checked and are safe to be seen. The BBC is a Reputable News Organization!
Check comment #4
@ Eliana:
Mr. Credibility, that’s our ole’ buddy Cato, the man who writes dramatic posts pleading poverty, and promising he won’t be back. Hey Ned, you are a JOKE.
@ Pink_Flamingo:
Go Flamingo!
@ Pink_Flamingo:
Well done!
@ Pink_Flamingo:
Nice!
MrPaulRevere wrote:
No doubt! He’s never been above a hefty bit of self-promotion, like asking registered people to join Buzz and “Buzz This Item Up–Click Here”; or to get a Twitter account so they can “Re-Tweet” his yapping, “Click Here”. Wasn’t all that long ago that Twitter told him to quit spamming them to death, heh– seems like he had some sort of automatic ReTweet code happening whenever somebody refreshed their page
. Lately he’s cut and pasting his ramblings over to True/Slant, where the sheer volume of spam he’s shovelling has put him #1 on their list of maybe 150-200 “contributors” (even though he’s barely hanging on to 25th place or so in their “popularity” scale).
So yeah, how surprising would it be for him to inflate page views….
But for sheer number of readers left these days, he’s sucking air: Quantcast
I think mandy may need to find a new avatar tomorrow. Either that or the BBC Persia viewers will go Jihadi on Johnson’s ass.
Either way it is a win.
@ Pink_Flamingo:
Nice. Charles should be showing up soon, as he did here.
When he couldn’t/wouldn’t defend himself, he called for his minions to do it for him earlier today. What a classless wimpy stalking hypocrite.
OT – Abu Mazen is having his 1900th nervous breakdown again.
He feels totally humiliated and he thinks the entire international community has been humiliated by Israel’s plans to build 1600 more apartments in an ultra-Orthodox neighborhood in eastern Jerusalem.
Israel told this guy repeatedly that there is NO construction freeze or slow down in Jerusalem. Did he think Israel was kidding about this?
There is a housing shortage in Jerusalem, especially for young couples, so Israel has plans to build thousands (Ha’aretz says 50,000) apartments in eastern, northern, and southern Jerusalem over the next years and a decade or two into the future.
The “Palestinians” are NOT getting Jerusalem.
They need to get it through their thick heads.
Beltfed wrote:
Their timing was off a bit. Something to do with a typewriter.
@ Bunk X:
You see Charles commenting at boingboing (i think) about why he banned Iowahawk for being “snarky” Iowahawk is SNARK personified! Oh well.
The Other Les wrote:
No. They miscalculated the time difference between Hawaii and Washington D.C., and didn’t send their message until after Pearl Harbor was already attacked.
Pink_Flamingo wrote:
BoingBoing linked to LGF today, and so CJ got a swell of hits. BoingBoing is left of center, so Chuckie mined the attention and gave them a link hoping for some reciprocity. If Xeni, Cory, et.al., have any sense, they’ll stay away from that hot spud.
Snark?
The Snark is my most favorite flying thing ever.
There is one at the SAC museum in Nebraska, every time I go there I touch it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM-62_Snark
It is a huge cruise missile that can fly over 5000 miles and uses “Guidance system celestial navigation” which really sounds better than GPS.
@ Sylvester T Cat:
WOW, he’s really eating traffic dirt. If all the cult members set the ‘new comments’ button to auto, he gets a ton of page views, fascinating. Re. Clint Eastwood, I saw Speranza’s comment in the post header, and yes, a lot of people had a problem with him glorifying the Japanese resistance on Iwo Jima. I did.
Pink_Flamingo wrote:
The “Global Readers” number on that Quantcast page of his oughta take off like a scalded frog!
Most compassionate of you to help him get his soul right with the billion or so followers of Allah
.
@ Bunk X:
Charles is really milking the internet, notoriety, advertising stuff. It is his ONLY source of income, he is trying to be the Howerd Stern/Beck/Dave Barry (well he is not funny, so scratch Dave) of the blog thing. Traffic = $$$ However Pam Geller gets exactly the same traffic, less hassle with coments and MORE ad revinue. Charles has the wrong business model.
Have a great Thursday all.
@ Pink_Flamingo:
He had the right one earlier and he threw it away.
He destroyed his own livelihood in doing so.
What an idiot.
@ Sylvester T Cat:
On a bad day I would have posted something there that would have got a billion Muslims chasing his ass with sharp knives. But, I am a compasionate sort of bird.
@ MrPaulRevere:
You, too!
@ Pink_Flamingo:
You get a good night’s sleep under your wing.
@ Eliana:
Yep, I am gone too….
Well, it’s time to put my head under my own wing.
Goodnight!
Sylvester T Cat wrote:
Someone ought to make a timelapse video of the Quantcast graph with “Holiday for Strings” playing in the background.
Possum wrote:
I remember seeing the Snark that’s on display at the AF Missile Museum at Canaveral; wasn’t really sure why it was significant til I read your Wiki link just now.
Wow, cool!
Quiet in here this morning.
Good morning, y’all!
{PaladinPhil}
{goddess}. How’s things going? Visigoths behaving themselves?
@ PaladinPhil:
Things are going well, thanks! The glacier is receding here in Western PA. The Visigoths haven’t overcome the power of my glare, so it’s good.
I cured one classes’ chronic tardiness by locking the door as soon as the bell rang…
Speranza wrote:
Sensible liberal is like moderate Muslim – mythical beasts that are talked about but never seen. “Liberalism” is just a dogwhistle for socialism with some additional views about sex and the environment thrown in. There is no such thing as “sensible socialism”.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
{goddessoftheclassroom}
Good morning, Teacher!
It is too damn early
@ PaladinPhil:
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
Good morning Goddess & Phil.
Morning Fist.
@ RIX:
Morning, dude! I gotta go back to bed
@ Iron Fist:
{Iron Fist}
I notice that Conservatives want to mind their own business and that of the most vulnerable while Liberals want to mind everyone else’s business except the most vulnerable.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
That’ll teach them.
Morning IF, Rix
@ RIX:
{RIX}
Doctor Milton Wolf has just written an editorial in the Washington Times opposing ObamaCare.
Most doctors to oppose Obama Reform, what makes this different is that Dr. Wolf is Obamas cousin.
off to chase a sunrise. See you fellow netizens later.
ARTICLECOMMENTS (27)Updated March 11, 2010
Chefs Call Proposed New York Salt Ban ‘Absurd’
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Bill introduced by state assemblyman would ban the use of salt in New York restaurant cooking.
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Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use of salt in restaurant cooking.
“No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such restaurant or off of such premises,” the bill, A. 10129, states in part.
The legislation, which Assemblyman Felix Ortiz, D-Brooklyn, introduced on March 5, would fine restaurants $1,000 for each violation.
“The consumer needs to make their own health choices. Just as doctors and the occasional visit to a hospital can’t truly control how a person chooses to maintain their health, neither can chefs nor the occasional visit to a restaurant,” said Jeff Nathan, the executive chef and co-owner of Abigael’s on Broadway. “Modifying trans fats and sodium intake needs to be home based for optimal health. Regulating restaurants will not solve this health issue.”
Nathan is part of the group My Food My Choice, which calls itself a coalition of chefs, restaurant owners, and consumers, called the proposed law “absurd” in a press release issued on its Facebook page.
Continue reading at MyFoxNY.com
Gee talk about nanny care government?
(cracking whip) I’m off to civilize the Visigoths…take care!
RIX wrote:
Being his cousin ain’t something to brag about
I just get the feeling that these cousins were never pals.
RIX wrote:
Think Obama has any real pals?
Lemme see, there’s Ayers, Wright & Hugo & um, ah well there is them.
You know that Bo the dog can’t stand him or his bitter half & spends his time trying to escape.
Good morning everyone…
@ doriangrey:
DORIAN
Speaking of pals, have you noticed that Ludwig & Cato have become BFF’s? Water seeking its own level.
Oh my, as if we need more proof that the left embraces cognitive dissonance. Dowd should get a righteous smackdown for this rambling piece of dhimmi musing.
Good morning!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/opinion/10dowd.html
RIX wrote:
If by water, you mean “The Stupid” then yes, quite right…
Just what I meant, nutty too.
See ya later.
Biden: Bond ‘unbreakable’ but U.S. will note missteps
(JTA) — The U.S.-Israel bond is unbreakable, but the United States will keep both sides accountable for their actions, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said.
Biden’s address Thursday at Tel Aviv University, meant to have been an expression of friendship, was altered in part by Israel’s announcement this week that it planned to build 1,600 new housing units in disputed eastern Jerusalem.
Biden started by reaffirming the “unbreakable bond” between Israel and the United States, as he had done after his arrival earlier this week. The bond was “impervious to any shifts in either country and in either country’s partisan politics,” Biden said to applause.
He said it was critical for the international community to understand the bond: “Every time progress is made, it’s been made when the rest of the world knows there’s no space between the United States and Israel when it comes to Israel’s security, none — no space.”
Biden was blunt, however, when it came to his anger at being blindsided by the announcement of the housing starts, when he was in the West Bank meeting Palestinian leaders. “That decision undermined the trust required for negotiations,” Biden said, and under instructions from President Obama, “I condemned it immediately and unequivocally.” He added, to applause: “Sometimes only a friend can deliver the hardest truth.”
Biden accepted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s explanation that he too was caught unawares by the announcement and praised Netanyahu for offering to set up a mechanism to prevent future such surprises.
Biden said such actions will have consequences. “The United States will continue to hold both sides accountable for any statements or any actions that inflame tensions and influence these talks,” he said.
@ Guggi:
Hey plugs, the very existence of Israel inflames the enemy.
shamelessly lifted from Ace.
vagabond trader wrote:
Yep and Biden is an id*ot.
@ Guggi:
If I were Israel, I’d stock up on plenty of Vasoline
Bunk X wrote:
The Germans richly deserved it. They invaded Russia, they were brutally mass-murdering Russian civilians, I am sorry but I feel no pity for the Germans and for what Russians did to them afterwards. Sauce for the goose and all…
They are advertising the New Hanks Pacific War miniseries now on HBO. Since My dad was in the Pacific at Iwo Jima, I’ll watch I guess but it sickens me after hearing what hanks said and also knowing from past experiences what a moonbat liberal he is and and always was. Sickens me.
PrincessNatasha wrote:
Yup, I am with yeah there. The Russians made great sacrifices and in many respects bore the brunt of the fighting in WW2. On the other hand Stalin did make a deal with the Devil when he signed that non-agression treaty with the Nazis and divided Poland.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Much good it did him! Russian historians are still trying to figure out just why the heck Stalin acted the way he did, because so many things about that pact do not make a bit of sense. Did he really think Hitler would leave him alone? There is a theory that Stalin was trying to trick Hitler and strike first, but obviously failed at that. Too bad that while many archives are now open, many documents were destroyed by the Party.
@ Nevergiveup:
That’s what you get when you get no-nuthins writing nanny legislation. As a cook in my own humble little kitchen, and working in restaurants, salt is a major ingredient in all foods. Even in sweets and deserts. Mind you the amount required in all cooking is on the whole minimal. Think about it, for baking at the most 2 tsps is required. For soups, sauces, and other items about two to three tsps. Removing salt from a chefs/cooks repertoire is crippling and leads to unbelievably tasteless food.
PrincessNatasha wrote:
IIRC a common explanation was Stalin was offended by the contempt the Western establishment held for him, especially the British establishment. That does not quite cover it. My suspicion is that he knew Hitler would attack sooner or later, (Hitler and Goebbells had never made any secret about it), and he wanted a buffer zone between the German Army and the USSR proper. That is why he took over the Baltic States and attacked Finland after they refused to surrender land near (then) Leningrad in exchange for greater tracts elsewhere.
Having indulged in that bit of speculation, we should take note of the fact that the Soviet occupation of eastern Poland ’39-’41 was every bit as brutal as the Nazi occupation of the west over the same time period.
i would not have cared if Hitler had beat Russia’s ass.
nobody wrote:
I would. Stalin was a genocidal monster, but he never chose his victims on the grounds of race or religion. Hitler did, and that is why he was the more evil monster.
Bullshit, one was as bad as the other.
African Moondog wrote:
Ask the Georgians, Ukraines, Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Stalin was every bit as race driven as Hitler…
@ nobody:
@ bluliner10:
You nearly got me rising to Stalin’s defense there.
African Moondog wrote:
It should also be noted that when Soviet intelligence began sending warnings to Stalin about a pending Nazi invasion, Stalin dismissed it, believing Hitler wouldn’t give the green light on an invasion of Russia while still fighting the British. Even after the invasion, Stalin, like Hitler, insisted the Russians hold their ground, and it proved very costly. Only later in the campaign did Stalin finally listen to his generals, and that saved his worthless ass in the war.
The Other Les @ 223:
Bunk X @ 225:
I’m well aware of the little SNAFU at the Japanese embassy in DC but that does not change the fact that the Imperial Japanese fleet were well on their way towards Hawaii and ATTACK Pearl Harbor hoping to catch the aircraft carries, their main target, and the battleships at port.
Kinda late, but I read a book called Flyboys. I recommend it for a history of WWII. The attack at Pearl Harbor was the culmination of a hundred or so years of events.
The racial issue, Nips, Japs, gooks, etc, was typical in a War where people are supposed to kill other people. They must be dehumanized in order to kill them. Same thing happens in all wars to both sides. Ever hear of the Bataan death march? Or see in the history books how our pilots were beheaded by the Japanese?
The US would have won in Japan regardless. LeMay was firebombing Japanese cities with squadrons of B29s, but the Japanese were delusional and would not surrender. There was going to have to be an invasion with door to door combat. I think they figured it would cost over 100,000 more American deaths.
Anyway, I too am sick of rich Hollywood idiots.
Speranza wrote:
From Powerline:
“Far worse is Matt Damon’s upcoming Green Zone, which will open on Friday. Green Zone is history as imagined at the Daily Kos and Democratic Underground. The film is a fevered portrayal of a fictional world in which the CIA warned President Bush that Saddam had no WMDs and in which Sunni insurgents are heroic patriots who are brutally targeted by evil American death squads. Kyle Smith concludes, in the New York Post:
“Green Zone” isn’t cinema. It’s slander. It will go down in history as one of the most egregiously anti-American movies ever released by a major studio.”
@ Poteen:
Actually the last Japanese soldier retired from the field in 1974.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroo_Onoda
Think about it.
My old man did the Pacific in spades. It was hard to get him to talk about it.
We watched “Sands of Iwo Jima ” together and I got him to open up.
HE saw the flag go up. I asked him ” why do they only show the Marines ?’
He opined that for every two Marines there was a camera man.
Said that the Army second wave was right behind them,
He had to deal with those Japanese pretending to be dead or dug deep in the tunnels.
Father was known for sleeping through the Naval battle of Leyte in a troop ship.
He confirmed that Corregidor was among the worst battles.
My old man LOVEd the Phillipino people and had no racism in him.
HAnks misapprehends the propagnada of the time. What we do now has almost no relation to it.
Dad was in the diversionary battle set up to save the Battaan prisoners.
He walked with McArthur across Louson.
I have a picture of him marked “Mike , Okinawa August 1945 ”
To me that is precious. No bomb, no me.
The kind of revisionism that Hanks feels he must engage in ( for surely he must know better) is disgusting. He might as well spit on my old man’s grave.
Is there any doubt that our fathers and grandfathers did the right thing ? NO.
And while we are at it I post this again being as it has direct bearing.
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2006-winter/no-substitute-for-victory.asp
Directly compares Japan to Iran.
@ jimash:
I will give you credit for the 2 Marines and a cameraman crack. Marines have understood the value of a supportive nation better than any branch of service at any time in history. But Iwo Jima was primarily Marines. 2nd wave, maybe the 10th to 20th wave. That was brutal and bloody fighting by Marines. Okinawa, was actually an Army first amphib landing in vicinity of what is now Kadena Air Base. The 42nd Inf Division of the Japanese Army allowed us on the beach and then made the US Army and Marines fight for every single inch of land afterwards. But just as Korea would prove in a mere 10 years, the Army and Marines were different types of fighters. The Marines were more than a match for anybody that was thrown against us, Japanese, North Korean and Chinese.
If your father is still with us, tell him thanks from the new breed, but if I were to put this into a modern context, the Marines have always done what the Army does not want to do, whether it is the Pusan breakout, Incheon landing, the fighting withdrawal in the Chosin Resovior (bringing out an entire Army Division, the 25th and killing 8 Chinese divisions with a Battalion, weather and Marine aviation) or the mean streets of Fallujah and Najaf. Soldiers were there, but the Marines took the brunt of the fight, and by default deserve the honors we have earned. As far as the battalion it was 1st Battalion/1st Marine Regiment; the regiment was commanded by one Lewis B Puller, also known as Chesty Puller…the good Marine.
@ bluliner10:
No put down of the Marines really intended. Marines rule.
And I completely defer to your historical knowledge.
It was a comment he passed about the actual battle footage in the old movies like “Sands” and “Guadalcanal Diaries”, another one he was in, that we discussed.
Dad passed on in 1988, partially from an infection caused by his singular war wound, frozen feet, from
riding around Italy in a truck in the winter of 45-46.
@ jimash:
@ bluliner10:
Hanson says it best, as usual.
Mind you, at the time, we were pretty pissed off.
In contrast, however..