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The root of it all

by m ( 160 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Guest Post, Healthcare, Progressives at March 19th, 2010 - 6:00 am

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Why President Obama and His Marxist Allies are Pushing Socialized Healthcare

I have written this post to explain why President Obama is so desperate to pass health care legislation, seemingly regardless of the cost to the Democratic Party.

The reality is that President Obama owes his success and his hold on power more to three Marxist groups than he does to the Democrats.
The three organizations, Communist Party USA, Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism and Democratic Socialists of America, all worked with Barack Obama for years and helped get him elected.

Now they want payback.

All three organizations have campaigned hard for “socialized” or “Single Payer” health care.

They want Obama to pass a Bill, any Bill, so that they can then ratchet up the pressure until the government has complete control of the health sector.

Why? because these people figure that if government controls health care, it will lock socially conservative American workers into supporting their Democratic Party allies indefinitely.

Britain after WW2 is their model. While Winston Churchill was the hero of the hour, in 1946 he was dumped in a landslide in favor of Labour Party leader Clement Attlee, on the promise of a massively increased Welfare State and a socialized National Health Service.

Leading Communist Party USA theoretician Norman Markowitz put it this way in a November 2008 article in Political Affairs, entitled Obama’s Mandate for Change;

A “single payer” national health system – known as “socialized medicine” in the rest of the developed world – should be an essential part of the change that the core constituencies which elected Obama desperately need.

Britain serves as an important political lesson for strategists. After the Labor Party established the National Health Service after World War II, supposedly conservative workers and low-income people under religious and other influences who tended to support the Conservatives were much more likely to vote for the Labor Party when health care, social welfare, education and pro-working class policies were enacted by labor-supported governments.

For an in depth look at the Marxists behind Obamacare I recommend you visit my blog New Zeal, specifically the posts;

Barack Obama and the Socialist Healthcare Scamsters

Some Christmas Reading for Your Senators, Obama, Young, Conyers and Socialized Healthcare.

For a comprehensive expose of President Obama’s Marxist ties I ask you to visit my website KeyWiki, specifically the pages;

Barack Obama and the Communist Party

Barack Obama and the Committees of Correspondence

Barack Obama and Democratic Socialists of America

If you believe the above information is accurate and valuable, please link to the articles on your blog or website.

Please circulate them to your friends colleagues and elected representatives.

From a grateful Kiwi friend of the United States of America.
Trevor Loudon
Christchurch, New Zealand

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  1. rain of lead
    1 | March 19, 2010 06:06

    Trevor, took a look, Great site!
    it’s sad that outsiders do better reporting than our own media


  2. 2 | March 19, 2010 06:15

    No doubt M there are plenty more people and orgs who will benefit from all of this and is why obama said the other day that the folks in DC shouldn’t be so selfish as to worry about not being re-elected because this is bigger than them personally.


  3. 3 | March 19, 2010 06:16

    @ rain of lead:

    Our media don’t want us to know the truth. There has to be some journalist out there that wants to report this shit, but he or she can’t get through the layers of fact Bullshit checkers and editors (but I repeat myself) to actually put the truth in front of us. That said, there is no real excuse for people not knowing the truth. As they said in the X Files, the Truth Is Out There. All you need to do is open your eyes and see it.


  4. mfhorn
    4 | March 19, 2010 06:18

    I know a couple of socialists. Used to chat with one of ‘em online for a number of years and currently talk to a new seminary grad who thinks the Chosen One is the greatest thing since sliced bread. (BTW- what was the greatest thing BEFORE sliced bread?) They don’t understand that socialism is the quickest path to poverty for everyone, since it destroys the incentive to produce & succeed.

    Communism & socialism are fine in theory, but theory is useless in the real world.


  5. rain of lead
    5 | March 19, 2010 06:20

    @ Iron Fist:

    do you think hellcare passes on sunday
    so far pelousy does not have the votes

    what happens this weekend
    sat in washington tea party people
    sunday illagals and communists

    bad mix, could get ugly


  6. 6 | March 19, 2010 06:22

    Iron Fist wrote:

    There has to be some journalist out there that wants to report this shit

    There also must be people in high places who want to speak the truth, but fear what the retaliation could be. Real or manufactured exposure, perhaps even death. We are being taken over by true evil.


  7. chickadee
    7 | March 19, 2010 06:23

    Look at those skinny little girls who Sasquatch has said are fat. She is using them like a prop to pretend she is doing something (controlling what we eat) and making a difference. This is how self-centered the left is. No one, including their own children is off limits, for them, to use to as a means to an end.


  8. rain of lead
    8 | March 19, 2010 06:25

    from the corner

    I have a piece in today’s USA Today distilling my Corner posts on answering “American” to the census race question. The editor, while writing the paper’s own editorial on the subject (mine was the “opposing view”), called the Census Bureau yesterday and asked what they’d do with “American” responses. She was told, as I’d expected, that they’d just impute the race — i.e., make up their own answer based on various factors, like where you live.

    This prompted a thought, maybe for Hans von Spakovsky or Roger Clegg: The Supreme Court has said the Bureau can’t impute the existence of people who didn’t send in forms when giving the head count for purposes of reapportionment of House (and state legislature) seats; the Democrats had wanted to do that, figuring it would give them several extra congressmen. Based on that precedent, is there a constitutional challenge to be made to imputing respondents’ race? That information is, after all, also used in reapportionment to make sure as many black Democratic voters as possible are packed into a single district to ensure the election of more Republicans (not how supporters would describe it, but that’s what it does). If you can’t make up people, can you make up people’s races?


  9. 9 | March 19, 2010 06:26

    mfhorn wrote:

    They don’t understand that socialism is the quickest path to poverty for everyone, since it destroys the incentive to produce & succeed

    It’s much worse than that mfhorn. Because of all the advances in technology that hadn’t been around before in repressed societies, the monitoring of our personal lives will be worse than any futuristic book or movie.

    No doubt an unhealthy lifestyle will be made a criminal offense. And with the IRS being in charge of gov insurance procedures… just frightening.


  10. m
    10 | March 19, 2010 06:27

    @ teacake:

    It IS bigger than them personally. That’s why they should actually “represent” the people they represent! What a concept!

    Think they’ll ever get it?


  11. 11 | March 19, 2010 06:30

    m wrote:

    @ teacake:
    It IS bigger than them personally. That’s why they should actually “represent” the people they represent! What a concept!
    Think they’ll ever get it?

    Seriously doubt it. They live in a little bubble of privilege and excess and can’t relate to working class people.


  12. rain of lead
    12 | March 19, 2010 06:32

    GULP!

    Democrats About Six Votes Short on Health Care, Officials Say

    but dems lie so it may not be that close


  13. 13 | March 19, 2010 06:33

    Wonder where to move to to escape all of this? I recently started saving my tips so I could pay off my credit card by the end of the year, but maybe I should use the savings to get the hell out of here, should this nightmare happen.

    I wonder if the physicians who plan to quit the field might set up in some other place outside of the US?

    There has to be a backup plan for those of us who don’t want to live in a socialist country?


  14. 14 | March 19, 2010 06:35

    rain of lead wrote:

    dems lie

    Yeah, like how obama said a couple of weeks ago that there isn’t anything more to talk about – everything’s been said that could be said. So why has he kept on yapping?


  15. tunnelrat
    15 | March 19, 2010 06:37

    The sheer arrogance of the Democrat party is breathtaking. The political games they are playing in the House right now in order to pass this turd of a health care bill are very likely unconstitutional. Can you imagine the outrage if GWB had used these tactics to, say, reform social security?

    Thanks to the internet and talk radio, people who want knowledge are able to get it and form their own opinions, rather than accept the liberal dogma being spoon-fed them by the MSM.


  16. rain of lead
    16 | March 19, 2010 06:37

    @ teacake:

    Heh!


  17. mfhorn
    17 | March 19, 2010 06:37

    @ chickadee:

    I know that I’m no shining example of good health. I should eat better. But it’s MY business, not that of some bureaucrat up in Washington.

    Any bets on how much more control Uncle Sam will try to take over what we eat, should ObamaCare pass?

    ‘Oh, the doctor said you should lose some weight, so we’re going to put a watch out on you for eating too many sweets & too much meat. You’ll have to eat more veggies & fruit.’


  18. chickadee
    18 | March 19, 2010 06:37

    It is such an ugly mess now. All the bribes and strong arm tactics. We have been hijacked by a bunch of criminals. They are maniacally committed to passing this power grab no matter what we want.
    I feel like we are being marched to the gallows by lunatics who tell us everything will be fine, just go up the steps.
    In the end that is not far off because this is what will happen to many in this country. The elderly, the disabled, the mentally challenged, the chronically ill. They will be the first to suffer. That is the way rationing works.
    Only a real monster could look around the world and see the failure of gov’t health care everywhere and work so hard to bring it here. Zero is smiling at the way Americans will suffer if gets this passed.


  19. huckfunn
    19 | March 19, 2010 06:38

    Obama futures trading at -21 which ties his all time low.


  20. 20 | March 19, 2010 06:39

    Marxism spwaned Nazism, Communism, Maoism, Fascism and New left Progressives.


  21. mfhorn
    21 | March 19, 2010 06:40

    @ teacake:

    Yeah, we’re working to pay off bills as fast as we can, too. One was paid off in Dec, we’ll have a 2nd one done when we get our tax refund and there will be at least one more done by the end of the year.

    Thank God for my wife! She’s an accountant and has done a great job of helping me get my spending habits under control.


  22. rain of lead
    22 | March 19, 2010 06:41

    bye ya’ll
    may pop in at lunch


  23. tunnelrat
    23 | March 19, 2010 06:42

    @ chickadee:

    It is such an ugly mess now. All the bribes and strong arm tactics. We have been hijacked by a bunch of criminals. They are maniacally committed to passing this power grab no matter what we want.

    The most open and honest administration ever, my ass.


  24. 24 | March 19, 2010 06:42

    @ rain of lead:
    c ya! have a good one


  25. 25 | March 19, 2010 06:43

    Fucking Joesph Cao will vote no ONLY if the abortion language doesn’t change. If it changes, he is voting for it. RINO


  26. chickadee
    26 | March 19, 2010 06:43

    teacake wrote:

    Wonder where to move to to escape all of this? I recently started saving my tips so I could pay off my credit card by the end of the year, but maybe I should use the savings to get the hell out of here, should this nightmare happen.

    I wonder if the physicians who plan to quit the field might set up in some other place outside of the US?

    There has to be a backup plan for those of us who don’t want to live in a socialist country?

    I refuse to be run out of my own country by these sob’s. I’m going to stay and fight.
    America is worth fighting for. The fcking dems are going to be shocked at how many citizens come out swinging to save this country.


  27. 27 | March 19, 2010 06:46

    @ chickadee:

    If American falls, there is no where to run.


  28. 28 | March 19, 2010 06:48

    @ chickadee:
    I agree, but what is going on at the moment might prove to show us that no matter how much we speak out, take action etc… the gov is all too powerful and inching closer to the one world gov. THen, guess there’s no where to go. I don’t think i’m being overly paranoid either.


  29. m
    29 | March 19, 2010 06:52

    @ chickadee:

    HEAR, HEAR!

    @ teacake:

    I don’t think you’re being paranoid either but we need our fighters to stay and fight!


  30. tunnelrat
    30 | March 19, 2010 06:52

    This is more than just a debate over health care. We are at the brink of a constitutional crisis.


  31. chickadee
    31 | March 19, 2010 06:53

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    I know that I’m no shining example of good health. I should eat better. But it’s MY business, not that of some bureaucrat up in Washington.

    Any bets on how much more control Uncle Sam will try to take over what we eat, should ObamaCare pass?

    ‘Oh, the doctor said you should lose some weight, so we’re going to put a watch out on you for eating too many sweets & too much meat. You’ll have to eat more veggies & fruit.’

    I bet we get taxed on how much our weight exceeds the accepted gov’t weight categories.
    Also cigs, alcohol, sugar, butter etc. will get big gov’t taxes. There will be food police who check our frig and pick through our trash for twinkie wrappers. And then of course we will be denied health care because of our bad practices.


  32. chickadee
    32 | March 19, 2010 06:58

    huckfunn wrote:

    Obama futures trading at -21 which ties his all time low.

    This is a comforting number.
    It shows America is aware of the danger he represents.
    Imagine how we would feel if this pos was in the positive range while trying so hard to destroy this country. That would be very demoralizing.


  33. mfhorn
    33 | March 19, 2010 07:00

    @ chickadee:

    Wouldn’t surprise me at all.

    @ chickadee:

    The last I saw, intrade had the Dems in ‘positive’ territory as far as their odds of keeping control of both the House & Senate in the fall, but it wasn’t by a huge margin.


  34. 34 | March 19, 2010 07:05

    @ chickadee:
    And remember, the gold standard of healthy weight is the BMI chart. Which as far as I am concerned is worthless and doesn’t apply to about 75% of the population.


  35. bar
    35 | March 19, 2010 07:07

    Obama blocks delivery of bunker-busters to Israel

    In 2008, the United States approved an Israeli request for bunker-busters capable of destroying underground facilities, including Iranian nuclear weapons sites. Officials said delivery of the weapons was held up by the administration of President Barack Obama.

    Since taking office, Obama has refused to approve any major Israeli requests for U.S. weapons platforms or advanced systems. Officials said this included proposed Israeli procurement of AH-64D Apache attack helicopters, refueling systems, advanced munitions and data on a stealth variant of the F-15E.

    “All signs indicate that this will continue in 2010,” a congressional source familiar with the Israeli military requests said. “This is really an embargo, but nobody talks about it publicly.”


  36. 36 | March 19, 2010 07:08

    chickadee wrote:

    I bet we get taxed on how much our weight exceeds the accepted gov’t weight categories.
    Also cigs, alcohol, sugar, butter etc. will get big gov’t taxes. There will be food police who check our frig and pick through our trash for twinkie wrappers. And then of course we will be denied health care because of our bad practices.

    Nancy said as much a few months ago. I heard it on the radio, couldn’t find a link for that.

    I also heard last night, (radio news) that in this bill, apartment renters will have a renter’s tax.


  37. RIX
    37 | March 19, 2010 07:09

    @ chickadee:
    And then of course we will be denied health care because of our bad practices.

    That will be part of the cost control along with promotion of
    more abortions & denying senior care.
    Sarah Palin was not wrong, the truth is all over Western Europe, particularly Scandanavia.


  38. chickadee
    38 | March 19, 2010 07:09

    teacake wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    I agree, but what is going on at the moment might prove to show us that no matter how much we speak out, take action etc… the gov is all too powerful and inching closer to the one world gov. THen, guess there’s no where to go. I don’t think i’m being overly paranoid either.

    I know it is depressing now. It is like a slow motion nightmare. Trying to stop these lurching beasts who just won’t quit.
    But wait until Nov. You will see some encouraging changes. We will be able to remedy and block lots of their commie agenda.
    I think Zero has inspired Americans to play hardball. And we all know he throws like a girl.


  39. chickadee
    39 | March 19, 2010 07:10

    tunnelrat wrote:

    This is more than just a debate over health care. We are at the brink of a constitutional crisis.

    That’s exactly right. They will try anything if they get this through.


  40. RIX
    40 | March 19, 2010 07:14

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    And remember, the gold standard of healthy weight is the BMI chart. Which as far as I am concerned is worthless and doesn’t apply to about 75% of the population.

    They have Michelle Obama walking point on the weight issue.
    She publicly outed her own children as overweight.
    Little girls just love public embarassment.
    Oh & how about Michelle do something about that ample butt of hers?


  41. 41 | March 19, 2010 07:18

    @ chickadee:
    I agree with what you say Chickadee but should this pass, it will be impossible to un-do it even with different people in office.

    Glen Beck is now talking about how just next week they are going to try to push the immigration reform though as quickly as possible.


  42. Nevergiveup
    42 | March 19, 2010 07:18

    @ bar:
    I am not surprised.


  43. vapig
    43 | March 19, 2010 07:24

    teacake wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    I agree, but what is going on at the moment might prove to show us that no matter how much we speak out, take action etc… the gov is all too powerful and inching closer to the one world gov. THen, guess there’s no where to go. I don’t think i’m being overly paranoid either.

    Nah – they need the military to be all powerful and they don’t have that. Right now they are ruling because we are allowing them to do so. Should total rebellion break out (we’re not there yet) they can’t compel us to do a damned thing.


  44. vagabond trader
    44 | March 19, 2010 07:25

    @ RIX:

    This couple appear to have personal weight issues.The excessive exercise, anorexia and bulemia not out of the question. Passing these obsessions onto the kids is child abuse.


  45. Nevergiveup
    45 | March 19, 2010 07:25

    bar wrote:

    Obama blocks delivery of bunker-busters to Israel

    In 2008, the United States approved an Israeli request for bunker-busters capable of destroying underground facilities, including Iranian nuclear weapons sites. Officials said delivery of the weapons was held up by the administration of President Barack Obama.

    Since taking office, Obama has refused to approve any major Israeli requests for U.S. weapons platforms or advanced systems. Officials said this included proposed Israeli procurement of AH-64D Apache attack helicopters, refueling systems, advanced munitions and data on a stealth variant of the F-15E.

    “All signs indicate that this will continue in 2010,” a congressional source familiar with the Israeli military requests said. “This is really an embargo, but nobody talks about it publicly.”

    I said I was not surprised but if this is indeed true, I am curious why it has not hit the News big time????


  46. vagabond trader
    46 | March 19, 2010 07:26

    Anyone else think weapons sales will spike upwards this week? :mrgreen:


  47. 47 | March 19, 2010 07:28

    @ rain of lead:

    They don’t have the hard votes or they’d just bring it to the floor and vote on it today. The vote yesterday was troubling. It looks like the majpority of the Dems want to pass it by simply “deeming” it passed. That is what I think will happen in the house sunday. I think that means the Senate bill goes to Obama to sign. Then they are supposed to do the reconcilliation to make some changes. I think that may get interesting. What if, say, 40 hard-core Donks decide to filibuster reconcilliation? So sorry, House, but the changes you wanted just didn’t make it past the Senate. Tha’ll be fun if it happens.

    Interesting times. we’ve never been in a place like this before, where the Executive and the Legislature conspired to subvert public opinion in this way. The last time something even close to this happened, the South fired on Ft. Sumpter.


  48. mfhorn
    48 | March 19, 2010 07:28

    @ teacake:

    Let me guess- legalizing as many as possible with as little penalty as possible?

    Christ, why don’t we start fining businesses AND the leadership of those businesses (plus a little jail time for the execs) for hiring illegal immigrants? Once the bigwigs start feeling a little pain from this themselves, maybe we’ll see some of these companies start taking a closer look at who they hire.


  49. vagabond trader
    49 | March 19, 2010 07:30

    Gee, can’t put anything past Peggy Noonan. //


  50. 50 | March 19, 2010 07:30

    @ vagabond trader:

    pitchforks, tar and feathers…


  51. vagabond trader
    51 | March 19, 2010 07:32

    @ mfhorn:

    Yup, and they will be so inflated with power would not be surprised if they attempt to use the same procedure. $10.00 gas on the horizon.


  52. mfhorn
    52 | March 19, 2010 07:33

    @ Iron Fist:

    The left will claim the will of the people was subverted in the same was with the war on terror.


  53. 53 | March 19, 2010 07:35

    It will be interesting to see if the mainstream media gives any coverage to tomorrow’s DC protests in the street.


  54. vagabond trader
    54 | March 19, 2010 07:36

    @ Iron Fist:

    Heh,first two covered. Wonder where we can obtain copious amounts of feathers.


  55. 55 | March 19, 2010 07:36

    @ tunnelrat:

    Bingo. If they simply “deem” the legislation passed by the House, we are in a Constitutional Crisis. And Nancy and Barry have already indicated that they will use that measure on other controversial issue that come before the House. Why even have the House meet? Queen Nancy will just pick and choose what she wants to pass. We are seeing the beginnings of a for-real dictatorship in this country. We aren’t there yet, but you can see the aim of Obama and the Democrats in everything they do.


  56. 56 | March 19, 2010 07:37

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ mfhorn:
    Yup, and they will be so inflated with power would not be surprised if they attempt to use the same procedure. $10.00 gas on the horizon.

    I read somewhere that Israel already pays that much.


  57. vagabond trader
    57 | March 19, 2010 07:37

    @ teacake:

    Some big commie group and illegal immigration groups will also be protesting,so yeah, of course there will be coverage for them. Average outraged Americans, not so much.


  58. tunnelrat
    58 | March 19, 2010 07:38

    Have wrote to my congressman again (Jim Oberstar) who is reportedly leaning towards voting yes. He is allegedly pro-life, but seems to be able to sacrifice that principle in order to help ram through this monstrous health care takeover bill.

    He has been in congress for something like 35 years now, and naturally feels safe in his seat. It is high time to dump his a** and replace him with someone who will actually listen to his constituents.


  59. 59 | March 19, 2010 07:38

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Heh,first two covered. Wonder where we can obtain copious amounts of feathers.

    Bed and Bath


  60. 60 | March 19, 2010 07:39

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ teacake:
    Some big commie group and illegal immigration groups will also be protesting,so yeah, of course there will be coverage for them. Average outraged Americans, not so much.

    oh…. right. Someone posted a site last night about immigrants protesting for economic justice for “new American” families


  61. mfhorn
    61 | March 19, 2010 07:40

    @ vagabond trader:

    That’s because we’re all racist teabaggers.

    //


  62. vagabond trader
    62 | March 19, 2010 07:41

    @ mfhorn:

    Isn’t Kevin Jennings the teabagging czar?


  63. 63 | March 19, 2010 07:41

    I wonder if its even possible that individual states try concession from the union? State rights and all that. The fed gov is just way too big and too powerful.


  64. vagabond trader
    65 | March 19, 2010 07:43

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Then it’ll be up to the scotus. G-d help us.


  65. Nevergiveup
    66 | March 19, 2010 07:44

    Caterpillar: Health care bill would cost it $100M
    Published on March 19, 2010 7:10 AM | Submit a comment
    Dow Jones Newswires | Caterpillar Inc. said the health-care overhaul legislation being considered by the U.S. House would increase the company’s health-care costs by more than $100 million in the first year alone.

    In a letter Thursday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio, Caterpillar urged lawmakers to vote against the plan “because of the substantial cost burdens it would place on our shareholders, employees and retirees.”
    Caterpillar, the world’s largest construction machinery manufacturer by sales, said it’s particularly opposed to provisions in the bill that would expand Medicare taxes and mandate insurance coverage. The legislation would require nearly all companies to provide health insurance for their employees or face large fines.

    The Peoria-based company said these provisions would increase its insurance costs by at least 20 percent, or more than $100 million, just in the first year of the health-care overhaul program.

    Well lay off any employee who voted for Obama?


  66. 67 | March 19, 2010 07:45

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Well lay off any employee who voted for Obama?

    Excellent idea.


  67. vagabond trader
    68 | March 19, 2010 07:46

    Keep informed and continue the good fight.

    http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/main.php


  68. tunnelrat
    69 | March 19, 2010 07:46

    @ Iron Fist:

    We are seeing the beginnings of a for-real dictatorship in this country. We aren’t there yet, but you can see the aim of Obama and the Democrats in everything they do.

    Agreed!! we will only be a short leap away from what Chavez has done in Venezuala by overriding their constitution entirely. These are scary times in America.


  69. 70 | March 19, 2010 07:50

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Keep informed and continue the good fight.
    http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/main.php

    Most interesting rumor from the Hill yesterday: Rep. Bart Gordon (D-Tenn.) who announced his retirement from Congress has been promised the job of NASA administrator in exchange for his vote, and Rep. John Tanner (D-Tenn.), another retiring Democrat, has been promised an appointment as U.S. Ambassador to NATO in exchange for his vote. It will be interesting to note any job announcements from this Tennessee duo post-House retirement. Both voted against passage of the House bill back in November.”

    I think Mark Levine was talking about that, or someone else, can’t recall. Why is it illegal for them to take bribes from private sources, but not within the government?


  70. RIX
    71 | March 19, 2010 07:50

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ RIX:
    This couple appear to have personal weight issues.The excessive exercise, anorexia and bulemia not out of the question. Passing these obsessions onto the kids is child abuse.

    I agree with that & add that bringing those chidren to Rev Wrights racist, anti-semetic, anti-American church was child abuse.’
    Hell, I wouldn’t let them have a dog. Free Bo!


  71. Nevergiveup
    72 | March 19, 2010 07:51

    teacake wrote:

    Why is it illegal for them to take bribes from private sources, but not within the government?

    It is illegal. Now go prove it.


  72. snork
    73 | March 19, 2010 07:52

    The men of LGF.

    Somebody want to do a calender?


  73. 74 | March 19, 2010 07:53

    @ teacake:

    There has to be a backup plan for those of us who don’t want to live in a socialist country?

    Enemy identification, target acquisition and threat elimination.


  74. vagabond trader
    75 | March 19, 2010 07:54

    @ snork:

    Dear lord, you really want to upset my breakfast don’t you?


  75. 76 | March 19, 2010 07:55

    BenZacharia wrote:

    @ teacake:
    There has to be a backup plan for those of us who don’t want to live in a socialist country?
    Enemy identification, target acquisition and threat elimination.

    not sure i understand what you’re saying


  76. 77 | March 19, 2010 07:55

    @ teacake:

    Because Politicians write the laws. How is it someone can come into the Senate broke and five years later be a multi-millionaire on a $160000 a year job? They are all complicit in it. Our government is broken, and now it appears to be getting ready to commit suicide. Unfortunately, it is going to take the economy and the rest of us down with it.


  77. 78 | March 19, 2010 07:58

    snork wrote:

    The men of LGF.
    Somebody want to do a calender?

    This has a lot to do with why so many of us gals are still single. So true and so sad.

    There are a lot of European tourists in N.O. and the difference with these men is very notable.


  78. The Osprey
    79 | March 19, 2010 07:58

    teacake wrote:

    I wonder if the physicians who plan to quit the field might set up in some other place outside of the US?

    There has to be a backup plan for those of us who don’t want to live in a socialist country?

    @ teacake:

    Nowhere dammit, dig in and fight!

    “You will have nowhere to “defect” to. Unless you want to live in Antarctica with penguins.”
    -Soviet defector Yuri Bezemenov


  79. mfhorn
    80 | March 19, 2010 08:00

    @ BenZacharia:

    Got to do it legally, at the ballot box or in the court system. Although if the Bamster gets a few names on the Supremes & at the Circuit court level, then we’re really hosed.


  80. 81 | March 19, 2010 08:01

    @ Iron Fist:
    I wonder how many of them realize they are making the tax paying pool very small… and are intentionally designing this so that the “unemployed” will have no choice than to work for the government?


  81. vagabond trader
    82 | March 19, 2010 08:01

    @ mfhorn:

    Brace for that. There are at least 2 supremes ready to retire.Bet Stevens goes if this thing passes, Ginsburg to follow.


  82. snork
    83 | March 19, 2010 08:01

    Iron Fist wrote:

    They don’t have the hard votes or they’d just bring it to the floor and vote on it today. The vote yesterday was troubling. It looks like the majpority of the Dems want to pass it by simply “deeming” it passed. That is what I think will happen in the house sunday.

    I don’t think it’s quite that simple. These “undecided” democrats, particularly the blue dogs from swing districts are between the devil and the deep blue sea. Their party wants them to do a kamikaze run. They want to get reelected, but they don’t know how to do that and vote for this at the same time.

    So to vote down the Republican motion was one thing – that doesn’t cost anything. Voting for the rule will be a lot more painful. That’s the point of no return, and that’s the one they’re going to be held accountable for. So I wouldn’t read too much into yesterday’s vote. It didn’t really cost the blue dogs. The one on Sunday will. They’re still sweating bullets.


  83. 84 | March 19, 2010 08:02

    The Osprey wrote:

    teacake wrote:

    I wonder if the physicians who plan to quit the field might set up in some other place outside of the US?
    There has to be a backup plan for those of us who don’t want to live in a socialist country?

    @ teacake:
    Nowhere dammit, dig in and fight!
    “You will have nowhere to “defect” to. Unless you want to live in Antarctica with penguins.”
    -Soviet defector Yuri Bezemenov

    Technology is as much a curse as helpful.


  84. vagabond trader
    85 | March 19, 2010 08:03

    @ teacake:

    I suspect that is what they want teacake. Majority dependency on big gov=reliable voting block.


  85. 86 | March 19, 2010 08:03

    I believe Mark Steyn discussed this as well.

    And, the Democratics are actually admitting to such a tactic:

    Start at 8:15 (although the whole thing is good)

    Regarding if the Public Option was dead:

    “no…you know history…you understand…how progressive movements work…[just like] in the past [when we first passed something]…it was good but not great…we passed a decent bill then improved on it, year after year, decade after decade…you can bet that a lot of us are going to introduce a public option bill as soon as the President signs this, we will start working towards this…the struggle never ends…”

  86. mfhorn
    87 | March 19, 2010 08:05

    @ vagabond trader:

    The only positive there is that it won’t change the ideological make up of the court. We’d replace a couple of hard leftist loons with a couple of OTHER hard leftist loons. Sure, we’d be stuck with them for another 30 years, but we wouldn’t be replacing someone who understands the Constitution with someone who doesn’t.


  87. 88 | March 19, 2010 08:06

    teacake wrote:

    @ teacake:
    There has to be a backup plan for those of us who don’t want to live in a socialist country?
    BenZ Wrote:
    Enemy identification, target acquisition and threat elimination.
    Teacake wrote:
    not sure i understand what you’re saying

    Let’s party like it’s 1776.

    mfhorn
    The Declaration and Costituion are the Law of the land.


  88. Nevergiveup
    89 | March 19, 2010 08:08

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ mfhorn:

    Brace for that. There are at least 2 supremes ready to retire.Bet Stevens goes if this thing passes, Ginsburg to follow.

    yeah, but they are both liberals so it’s a push


  89. 90 | March 19, 2010 08:08

    BenZacharia wrote:

    Let’s party like it’s 1776

    !!!!!!!!!


  90. 91 | March 19, 2010 08:08

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ teacake:
    Some big commie group and illegal immigration groups will also be protesting,so yeah, of course there will be coverage for them. Average outraged Americans, not so much.


  91. vagabond trader
    92 | March 19, 2010 08:09

    @ mfhorn:

    Its a start.


  92. vagabond trader
    93 | March 19, 2010 08:10

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Yeah,we’d much rather have someone like Cass Sunstein. Hes reasonable./


  93. 94 | March 19, 2010 08:10

    @ WrathofG-d:

    It’s the Cloward Piven Strategy of Collapsing the system.


  94. Nevergiveup
    95 | March 19, 2010 08:11

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Yeah,we’d much rather have someone like Cass Sunstein. Hes reasonable./

    I know but panic if one of “Our” Judges gets sick of drops dead


  95. 96 | March 19, 2010 08:11

    @ The Osprey:

    You’ll like the enxt post, it’s about your State.


  96. 97 | March 19, 2010 08:12

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Yup, then we are screwed.


  97. vagabond trader
    98 | March 19, 2010 08:12

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Its a curse,I’m always thinking ahead like that.


  98. 99 | March 19, 2010 08:13

    @ Rodan:

    I’m not sure I would use the word “collapse”; maybe instead ‘fundamentally transform‘. :)


  99. 100 | March 19, 2010 08:15

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Hope and Change!


  100. RIX
    101 | March 19, 2010 08:15

    snork wrote:

    The men of LGF.
    Somebody want to do a calender?

    That really does sum them up. The women of LGF would be too frightening.


  101. The Osprey
    102 | March 19, 2010 08:15

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    You’ll like the enxt post, it’s about your State.

    Is it about John “My friends” McCain vs J.D. Hayworth?


  102. mfhorn
    103 | March 19, 2010 08:16

    @ Rodan:

    A college buddy of mine & I decided years ago that we, as a nation, were pretty well screwed.


  103. mtc
    104 | March 19, 2010 08:16

    @ snork:
    That is too funny.


  104. vagabond trader
    105 | March 19, 2010 08:17

    @ RIX:

    My guess is there would be little discernible difference. :D


  105. 106 | March 19, 2010 08:18

    I wonder how much of the US population under 30 really cares about freedom from being taken over by the government? I fear the populations of 30ish, 40ish might be the last to have the love of freedom. The younger gens have absolutely been brainwashed.

    A fellow I know under 40 has a pix on his FB of a military cemetery that he came across on a walk, he recently moved to Austin. His caption was… where old greedy men go to rest.


  106. 107 | March 19, 2010 08:18

    Immigration Reform

    From the L. A. Times
    1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
    4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
    5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
    6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
    7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
    8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
    9. 21 radio stations in L. A.. are Spanish speaking.
    10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
    (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

    (All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)


  107. snork
    108 | March 19, 2010 08:20

    BenZacharia wrote:

    The Declaration and Costituion are the Law of the land.

    Actually, the declaration isn’t, though like a lot of founding documents, it’s advised court decisions.


  108. vagabond trader
    109 | March 19, 2010 08:21

    @ BenZacharia:

    Astonishing!


  109. 110 | March 19, 2010 08:22

    From what I read somewhere, iirc, felons will be included in the immigration reform bill… mainly that they will not have voting rights restored and not taken away in the future.


  110. snork
    111 | March 19, 2010 08:22

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Yeah,we’d much rather have someone like Cass Sunstein. Hes reasonable./

    As I’ve said before, I know the ******** of the **-********** of Sunstein pretty well, and let’s just say it’s worse than most people can imagine.


  111. vagabond trader
    112 | March 19, 2010 08:22

    @ teacake:

    and I’ve heard that Austin is a place where silly old grey pony tailed hippies are put out to pasture.


  112. 113 | March 19, 2010 08:23

    @ vagabond trader:
    lol


  113. 114 | March 19, 2010 08:24

    snork wrote:

    vagabond trader wrote:
    @ Nevergiveup:
    Yeah,we’d much rather have someone like Cass Sunstein. Hes reasonable./

    As I’ve said before, I know the ******** of the **-********** of Sunstein pretty well, and let’s just say it’s worse than most people can imagine.

    ??????


  114. vagabond trader
    115 | March 19, 2010 08:24

    @ teacake:

    :D :D


  115. mfhorn
    116 | March 19, 2010 08:25

    @ teacake:

    I can think of a few people that’d smack the fertilizer out of him.


  116. snork
    117 | March 19, 2010 08:25

    @ teacake:
    Sometimes you don’t want to drop any names.


  117. 118 | March 19, 2010 08:27

    @ The Osprey:

    Is it about John “My friends” McCain vs J.D. Hayworth?

    Yes it is!


  118. 119 | March 19, 2010 08:27

    snork wrote:

    @ teacake:
    Sometimes you don’t want to drop any names.

    Not the names as much as what is worse than we think.


  119. vagabond trader
    120 | March 19, 2010 08:28

    @ snork:

    No names, any info on the Stalinist nutter?


  120. snork
    121 | March 19, 2010 08:28

    @ teacake:
    Sunstein is worse than you think. Not just screwy ideas, but personal character. Bill Clinton is an angel by comparison.


  121. vagabond trader
    122 | March 19, 2010 08:29

    @ snork:

    Doesn’t he have a disabled daughter he abandoned?


  122. RIX
    123 | March 19, 2010 08:30

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ RIX:
    My guess is there would be little discernible difference.

    My dark mind was thinking Iceweasel. I am not ready for that, I might
    gouge out my eyes.


  123. Poteen
    124 | March 19, 2010 08:30

    Rodan wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    If American falls, there is no where to run.

    Americans don’t run, my friend. Red Dawn redux.


  124. 125 | March 19, 2010 08:31

    @ mfhorn:
    Other than his politics he is a really decent hard working guy. The only non-flake in New Orleans really. lol But, just before he left he started wearing the arafat scarf and had the boycott Israel on his FB.


  125. 126 | March 19, 2010 08:33

    snork wrote:

    @ teacake:
    Sunstein is worse than you think. Not just screwy ideas, but personal character. Bill Clinton is an angel by comparison.

    Compared to most people in camp obama , Clinton still is an angel compared to them. The next 3 years can’t be over soon enough.


  126. buzzsawmonkey
    127 | March 19, 2010 08:33

    I Write the Laws
    —with apologies to Barry Manilow and “I Write the Songs”

    I’ve been in office forever
    And I wrote the very worst laws
    To pass them I cobble the votes together
    I’m in Congress, and I write the laws

    I write the laws that make the voters cringe
    Appeals to interests or a vocal fringe
    When you ask what’s contained in them, I lie
    I write the laws, I write the laws

    Come protest and I’ll grip-and-grin you
    But your words go down the memory hole
    It’s the backroom deals I’m really listening to
    Breaking with constituents I style “bold”

    I write the laws that make the voters cringe
    Appeals to interests or a vocal fringe
    When you ask what’s contained in them, I lie
    I write the laws, I write the laws

    The legislation I midwife
    Will interfere into all your life
    Into places that you didn’t know you had
    I’ll protect you with so much heart
    That you’ll need a license to fart
    It’s by me, it binds you
    It binds you but not me
    And that’s how I want it to be

    I write the laws that make the voters cringe
    Appeals to interests or a vocal fringe
    When you ask what’s contained in them, I lie
    I write the laws, I write the laws

    I’m in Congress, and I write the laws…


  127. The Osprey
    128 | March 19, 2010 08:34

    snork wrote:

    @ teacake:
    Sunstein is worse than you think. Not just screwy ideas, but personal character. Bill Clinton is an angel by comparison.

    Do tell!


  128. 129 | March 19, 2010 08:35

    @ snork:

    The Declaration of Independence is the Prime Foundational Document establishing and stating what the role of government is. Without it you would not know that. The title states it. The Constituion lays out that covenant.

    The Unanimous Declaration
    of the Thirteen United States of America

    …that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men


  129. 130 | March 19, 2010 08:35

    teacake wrote:

    A fellow I know under 40 has a pix on his FB of a military cemetery that he came across on a walk, he recently moved to Austin. His caption was… where old greedy men go to rest.

    Funny, I never new that many old rich soldiers.


  130. 131 | March 19, 2010 08:37

    @ BenZacharia:

    A Jazz Man claims God is not mentioned! I guess Creator means a Music composer to him!

    :-)


  131. vagabond trader
    132 | March 19, 2010 08:37

    @ RIX:

    My dark mind was thinking Iceweasel.

    Especially if she is a he. :twisted:


  132. 133 | March 19, 2010 08:38

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    Funny, I never new that many old rich soldiers.

    That’s sort of what I thought when I saw his post. Greedy? Soldier? Huh? Just goes to show how brainwashing affects people who might otherwise be sort of decent.


  133. SciFiGuy
    134 | March 19, 2010 08:38

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I Write the Laws
    —with apologies to Barry Manilow and “I Write the Songs”
    I’ve been in office forever
    And I wrote the very worst laws
    To pass them I cobble the votes together
    I’m in Congress, and I write the laws
    I write the laws that make the voters cringe
    Appeals to interests or a vocal fringe
    When you ask what’s contained in them, I lie
    I write the laws, I write the laws
    Come protest and I’ll grip-and-grin you
    But your words go down the memory hole
    It’s the backroom deals I’m really listening to
    Breaking with constituents I style “bold”
    I write the laws that make the voters cringe
    Appeals to interests or a vocal fringe
    When you ask what’s contained in them, I lie
    I write the laws, I write the laws
    The legislation I midwife
    Will interfere into all your life
    Into places that you didn’t know you had
    I’ll protect you with so much heart
    That you’ll need a license to fart
    It’s by me, it binds you
    It binds you but not me
    And that’s how I want it to be
    I write the laws that make the voters cringe
    Appeals to interests or a vocal fringe
    When you ask what’s contained in them, I lie
    I write the laws, I write the laws
    I’m in Congress, and I write the laws…

    FRICKIN GENIUS!!!!


  134. bar
    135 | March 19, 2010 08:40

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I am not surprised either. The MSM not reporting it, also does not surprise me.


  135. snork
    136 | March 19, 2010 08:40

    @ vagabond trader:
    That’s a big 10-4, and the gory details would make the Clarence Thomas confirmation look like an episode of Barney the Dinosaur.


  136. 137 | March 19, 2010 08:40

    The younger gen believes there is no such thing as an enemy. Only American’s are the real terrorists and are reacting to their racist ideas.


  137. Nikis Knight
    138 | March 19, 2010 08:41

    This article by Jonah is nothing new to anyone here, but it is very well put and illustrative:
    Two Americas


  138. Poteen
    139 | March 19, 2010 08:41

    @ The Osprey:
    Bill Clinton…… brilliant Rhodes scholar, effective speaker, beloved leader of the free world, most powerful man in the world….. a pathetic little middle aged worm who lacked the self control to keep his dick out of someone elses’ teenage daughter.


  139. Nikis Knight
    140 | March 19, 2010 08:42

    @ Rodan:
    No, it means a slime mold.


  140. vagabond trader
    141 | March 19, 2010 08:43

    @ snork:

    Judging by his opinions he no doubt wishes she had been aborted or post aborted by the age of 2.


  141. RIX
    142 | March 19, 2010 08:43

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ RIX:
    My dark mind was thinking Iceweasel.
    Especially if she is a he.

    Stoooooooop! Trader please stop.
    Seriously, ya think that Weasel might be a guy?
    This whole Weasel / Jimmah thing is really weird.


  142. The Osprey
    143 | March 19, 2010 08:44

    teacake wrote:

    The younger gen believes there is no such thing as an enemy. Only American’s are the real terrorists and are reacting to their racist ideas.

    That’s a blanket overgeneralization, Teacake. The young men and women in our military don’t feel that way.

    If you live in a blue state bubble you need to take some vacation time in a red state. For me, moving from the SF Bay Area to Arizona was a real eye opener. The real America still does exist out here!
    The Bay Area was a mental swamp of leftist dogma. If you live in a place like that and you are even mildly conservative you will feel as if the whole world has gone mad.


  143. vagabond trader
    144 | March 19, 2010 08:46

    @ RIX:

    Someone said they met “her” but hey, many folks have been fooled by makeup wigs and foundation garments. Too much info?


  144. 145 | March 19, 2010 08:46

    Rodan wrote:

    @ BenZacharia:
    A Jazz Man claims God is not mentioned! I guess Creator means a Music composer to him!

    Since rights are bestowed and limited by the Creator, if you deny the Creator you your own rights.

    The separation the Declaration of Independence from the Constitution is an enemy tactic. The Founders viewed the Constitution as a continuance of the Declaration. Not as a one time deal ‘and then let’s move on’.

    They put this in it as proof that it is the Foundational Document.

    That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles [SEE ABOVE POST].


  145. vagabond trader
    146 | March 19, 2010 08:47

    @ The Osprey:

    Love Arizona,glad to hear real conservatives are alive and well there. :D


  146. 147 | March 19, 2010 08:48

    @ The Osprey:
    I live in New Orleans. Even though the new left population has grown by leaps and bounds, the state of La and the city in general offers certain freedoms that other cities no longer have. Very few restrictions imposed by local gov.


  147. Nikis Knight
    148 | March 19, 2010 08:49

    @ The Osprey:
    I’m 29, and I have 4 younger sibs. One is pretty much the opposite of me (“I’m a liberal because the gob’t should pay my medical bills for fighting and eating frogs”), one joined the Navy, next one down I think is pretty conservative but is in college right now, and the baby is in HS, I think apolitical.


  148. 149 | March 19, 2010 08:49

    Corretion

    Creator deny you your own rights.


  149. 150 | March 19, 2010 08:50

    The Osprey wrote:

    That’s a blanket over generalization, Teacake.

    I hope you’re correct.


  150. The Osprey
    151 | March 19, 2010 08:52

    Everytime I hear “deem and pass” my mind translates it as “demon pass” and I think about the scene in Fellowship of the Ring where Gandalf is fighting the Balrog.

    Balrog Obama.


  151. vagabond trader
    152 | March 19, 2010 08:54

    @ The Osprey:

    Not only that but demon pass will be passed on Palm Sunday.


  152. 153 | March 19, 2010 08:55

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Palm Sunday.

    as in well greased


  153. 154 | March 19, 2010 08:56

    c ya all later


  154. RIX
    155 | March 19, 2010 08:57

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Someone said they met “her” but hey, many folks have been fooled by makeup wigs and foundation garments. Too much info?

    Somebody actually met Weasel huh? I would love to hear that description.
    She was my least favorite person over there. She has an inate cruelty & loves to humiliate people. Unsurprisingly she can dish it , but can’t take it.
    I laid into her & I do believe that hastened my banning, but worth it.
    I should have left of my own volition, but oh well.


  155. buzzsawmonkey
    156 | March 19, 2010 09:00

    RIX wrote:

    I should have left of my own volition, but oh well.

    If you remained true to your principles and were slung out for that reason, you did leave of your own volition—and can take pride in having done so.


  156. snork
    157 | March 19, 2010 09:04

    @ vagabond trader:
    Sometimes someone’s personal situation influences one’s philosophical convictions, if you get my drift. It make a lot more sense when you look at it that way.


  157. Macker
    158 | March 19, 2010 09:04

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Which is why we pray for Chief Justice Roberts, and Associate Justices Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy.


  158. RIX
    159 | March 19, 2010 09:05

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    I should have left of my own volition, but oh well.
    If you remained true to your principles and were slung out for that reason, you did leave of your own volition—and can take pride in having done so.

    Thank you Buzz.


  159. 160 | March 19, 2010 10:40

    @ Macker:

    Hell, I even hope the old hag (Ginsberg) survives Obama. She can croak the day after they inaugurate President Palin.


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