So this is what Joe Biden meant by a big effin deal.
Obama made better coverage for children a centerpiece of his health care remake, but it turns out the letter of the law provided a less-than-complete guarantee that kids with health problems would not be shut out of coverage.
Under the new law, insurance companies still would be able to refuse new coverage to children because of a pre-existing medical problem, said Karen Lightfoot, spokeswoman for the House Energy and Commerce Committee, one of the main congressional panels that wrote the bill Obama signed into law Tuesday.
However, if a child is accepted for coverage, or is already covered, the insurer cannot exclude payment for treating a particular illness, as sometimes happens now. For example, if a child has asthma, the insurance company cannot write a policy that excludes that condition from coverage. The new safeguard will be in place later this year.
Full protection for children would not come until 2014, said Kate Cyrul, a spokeswoman for the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, another panel that authored the legislation. That’s the same year when insurance companies could no longer deny coverage to any person on account of health problems.
Hot Air has it, found this from mom of girls at GCP.
I’m beyond words at this point.
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BUT BUT BUT Its for the children!!!!
Fuckin lyin assholes!
Just remember the name Marcelas Owens.
He is the brat that Obama had onstage and was trotting around to get support for this Obamacare bill.
The blind will walk and the lame will see. Something like that.
Oh but don’t worry,the all important 10% excise tax on tanning salons has already been enacted///
Two threads in 10 minutes? Shouldn’t you have just combined them?
I have two seperate synopsis of the bill sitting on my desk.
Even the synopsis are ambiguous.
I am in need of a fourth year Sociology sophmore from LGF , like SpoaceJesus or Windupbird to explain the thing.’
These Congresspeople did not know or care what they voted for.
They just wanted power & a victory & the public be damned.
vagabond trader wrote:
Talk about a disparate racial impact.
@ vagabond trader:
THe white man just trying to get back to his black roots will pay for this Wealthcare…
Behead the thread that defames the Master of the Universe.
It’s really symbolic of how rushed they were to put this monsterosity together, particularly given that they’ve been whining about the “uninsured children” ad nauseum for years.
What the Yugo was to cars, this bill is to legislation. As an added bonus, they were both built by Socialists.
Kids, I rescheduled the Dingell thread for tomorrow.
Full protection for children would not come until 2014, said Kate Cyrul, a spokeswoman for the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, another panel that authored the legislation. That’s the same year when insurance companies could no longer deny coverage to any person on account of health problems.
Now once we get past the biased language of this article, it seems that the children get covered fully no matter what in 2014 which is the same time that any person would get coverage despite pre existing conditions.
Speranza wrote:
“Letting you become a contributor was the worst thing I have ever done.”
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MacDuff wrote:
DOes it have a crank start on the front of the car also?????
Oh and love the analogy…
@ WrathofG-d:
What about coverage for 26 year old “children?” Another essential./
It didn’t matter what they passed; the details not only can, but will be tweaked ad infinitum. It was always the grab, all the grab, and nothing but the grab. Everything else is incidental.
@ savage:
Just don’t mention the fact that his mother was eligible for Medicaid and chose not to enroll, or that the only reason anyone’s ever heard of this case is that his grandmother is a member of a left-wing lobbying group.
@ MacDuff:
lol,too true.
MacDuff wrote:
Never seen a Trabant, have you?
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
For a smash and grab, they sure managed to get out of the store with a shipload of booty.
WrathofG-d wrote:
Whatever man! (channeling Husky Pony-tailed blogger)
@ buzzsawmonkey:
They even admitted such before it passed. (i posted video).
snork wrote:
But they forgot the baby!!!!!
snork wrote:
Ah the pride of East Germany!
snork wrote:
This one?
@ snork:
I’m pretty sure GM (Government Motors) is going to introduce their version of it this fall.
It’ll cost around $47,000, of course. And you’ll have to wait 5 years to get one.
Here’s another shocker.
School Helps Student Get Abortion
If that was my daughter, freaking heads would roll down the hallway.
@ Speranza:
Holy crimeny:
We’re all going to love glorious socialism.
Grifters just pulled off the biggest con on the American people and they’re complaining we aren’t all blowing them kisses?
Beltfed wrote:
Aw, c’mon. She was only going for extra credit on her sex ed class homework.
@ vagabond trader:
jokes on us as I imagine many of them we be re-elected.
@ Beltfed:
And the best part is that it was all perfectly legal, because Washington has no parental notification law.
@ Beltfed:
There was a law proposed here that would have required medical professionals to inform parents of minors before performing abortions on the minor.
It was voted down by the idiots of California.
@ lobo91:
Why be allowed to parent your kids when the State can do such a better job?
*spit!
trabants? we aint there yet! besides, the lefties wont let us use two-stroke motors.
i have pics of the pollution in east berlin from those damned things.
If health care is going to be so much more affordable, why not allow us to pay out of pocket? I am not in any way interested in being forced to buy a health insurance policy that I don’t think would be of any help.
I wonder about the local clinic I already go to. It provides very basic things for a very affordable price. Not top notch but good enough. I don’t need insurance to go to this place, so why should I pay more than I have been paying to get probably worse than I have now? lol
vagabond trader wrote:
At first I thought you said giving them blow jobs. lol
vagabond trader wrote:
i have the reply to what those grifters did up for tomorrow evening.
coldwarrior wrote:
When the government’s doing it, they will.
Just now on Drudge the most creepy video of Nancy yet! I can’t even think of words to describe her body language. She is saying that the rest of legislation will be passed the same way.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/03/24/pelosi_health_reform_model_for_future_reform_efforts.html
MacDuff @ 25:
What craftsmanship, lol
vagabond trader wrote:
“A grifter has to get out of town. A good con man never leaves until he wants to.”
—James Woods, “Diggstown”
@ teacake:
Now, there’s a harpy.
@ teacake:
There is something spooky about the way the Liberals use the words “for the American people”. Especially when their promise has nothing to do with the question asked.
Q: Is Health Care a Model for how to pass future Legislation?
A: The American People’s health is important and we will pass whatever is in their best interest, for the American people, because The American People want it, and it is for their health, the American people, they deserve to live, the kids, the babies, the hardworking…the American people want this….
(not quite verbatim)
I wasn’t able to hear the audio on this, perhaps its my computer. Someone is asking about why obama wasn’t photographed with Bibi and the answer has to do that not everything obama does is for the camera.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/03/24/white_house_not_everything_the_president_does_is_for_the_cameras_and_for_the_press.html
Rundfahrten.
Let’s face it folks, the term “Socialism” is in the process of being rehabilitated. Al Sharpton’s remark that “Americans overwhelmingly voted for Socialism” was not a mere gaffe.
Remember when the big debate over at the Swamp was about “National Socialism” (Nazis) NOT being the same as regular “Socialism” (or International Socialism)? Remember Jonah Goldberg being villified over there for his book “Liberal Fascism”? He was doing his part in the rehabilitation by differentiating between the “bad” Socialism and the “good” Socialism.
Socialism is beginning to come out of the closet. There’s a whole generation out there who simply do not know the history and, let’s face it, much of Europe is succumbing and many of those countries have “Socialist” political parties operating and using the name.
Once the word “Socialist” loses its sting in this country, we are in serious trouble
Beltfed wrote:
Well looky there, 1 horse power!!
lobo91 @ 32:
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Absolutely.This goon could care less about that.He only reacts when someone catches up to him.He has bigger fish to fry. Like egging on Israel hate. As much as I despise this sob I despise those who put him in office more.
@ MacDuff:
“What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.”
@ teacake:
At first I thought you said giving them blow jobs. lol
An abortion in an invasive operation. They are so hell bent on keeping gay partners from having “consent” yet young girls can have their cervi dilated and scraped? It is a painful process. No, I never had one but I have had a similar surgery. HEADS. WOULD. ROLL.
Speranza wrote:
I,for one am glad you are a contributor. I enjoy your posts.
@ Beltfed:
You need parental notification (and permission) before seeing an “R” rated movie….but not an abortion.
WrathofG-d wrote:
Their version of the people, and our version of The People are vastly different.
Socialists always talk about “the people” as they screw them, have you ever noticed that almost all of these countries are named “The People’s Republic of (Fill in the Blank)”, That’s almost some sort of Socialist rule, or something. They are not republics, and they have nothing to do with “the people”.
teacake wrote:
OMG, she is a hatchet faced witch. She has such a wicked look on her ugly mug.
And her eyes are crazy. She has the demeanor of a lunatic. A vampire out for one more victim.
I can’t wait until that bitch is derailed in Nov.
@ NoThreat2U:
My comment was to this comment.
@ teacake:
I know. It just caught me off guard. lol lol
Beltfed wrote:
That’s called making the most of what you have. It’s sort of cute with the pony. And pup following along.
@ MacDuff:
I thought in America, The People did for themselves.
How different it would have sounded as “We the self appointed rulers in order to form a perfect union have hereby decided that it is in your best interest, and by accommodation and negotiation with England…
@ chickadee:
The way she was speaking looked like an evil puppet who was being operated by satan.
@ teacake:
You mean she isn’t??????
@ NoThreat2U:
Just making sure. It appeared as if you thought I was making light of the abortion issue.
@ Beltfed:
Abortion is the one exception. If you get a paper cut, you still need parental notification.
vagabond trader wrote:
Ralph Stanley
NoThreat2U wrote:
Excellent point. I would love it if someone who does the reverse speech used that one. A lot of people think its nonsense but it speaks for itself, so to say.
teacake wrote:
No no no not at all
mawskrat wrote:
Beautiful. I love him.
Pelosi was saying how important it was to keep the Democrat majority in the House in November because it’s so important “for the people of the country.” I notice she didn’t say WHICH country, but I’m assuming Iran, Venezuela and probably Cuba.
Because the Wicked Witch of the West Coast is really believing those stupid polls by Harris, Gallup and CNN that suddenly Americans have switched and now their in love with the idea of government health care.
She really is mentally ill. I used to joke about it, not I’m convinced. I should do my doctoral dissertation on the theory that Botox causes dain bramage.
OT:
SCIENCE! Science & Evolution WRONG Again!?
I know, I know when Science totally gets something wrong and then has to completely rearrange its previously held dogma it is called “the process”….yawn!
WrathofG-d wrote:
I wasn’t arguing, I was actually agreeing. The constant mention of “the people”, particularly in an instance when the people’s wishes were virtually ignored, is reminiscent of Socialist governments who regularly rule in defiance of the people’s wishes.
@ WrathofG-d:
Real scientists relish something new that turns everything they thought they knew upside down. Knuckleheads like at the funny farm aren’t scientists. They get their panties in a twist whenever some new information comes along that conflicts with the model of the universe that can fit in their pea brains.
I remember when Peolsi , the newly named Speaker of the House was prancing around the stage, celebrating. There were children everywhere being showcased and pelosi must have said “For the children”
a hundred times because libs are so loving and mindful of being good caregivers to ‘the children.’
LOL and now who gets shafted in the hell care bill? The poor children with preexisting conditions get kicked to the curb.
Libs don’t care abt. children. They are a prop. They can’t vote and even voters will only get a pittance of nothing worth having from libs.
@ snork:
My argument all along (when I gave one) was that Science requires as much faith as Religion, and is just as easily proven wrong. So when I see these revolutionary findings that turn what was held as science dogma on its head, it proves my belief. Yet, the hypocrisy is that when science is proven completely wrong, no one calls for the complete destruction of science as “obviously” myth.
WrathofG-d @ 70:
Liberals ???
I wonder why Congress and Zero have made sure to specifically exempt themselves from this wonderful gift they have forced on us.
Beltfed wrote:
ROFLMAO***** Good one! +2,850,835
WrathofG-d wrote:
I read the whole article and don’t see where it proves anything wrong? It seems to add information without disproving any previous postulations.
@ Beltfed:
If evolution is a constant changing of one species on a genetic level, how can anything be “pre-human”. Wouldn’t it just be prior evolution of human?
Beltfed wrote:
Sorry, I just have to post this one:
WrathofG-d wrote:
As I used to say over at Yertle’s place, science has not only the right but the obligation to be wrong, and repeatedly wrong, because it consists of taking an ongoing stream of new data and trying to make sense of it. That means that on the way to being right—or as right as the available data, available measurements, and available human ingenuity allow, for the moment—science will be a constant stream of wrong guesses, errors, and failed experiments.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Exactly my point as well.
WrathofG-d wrote:
No. Our predecessors were not Human. Proto-human might fit, but not the same species.
This isn’t just one law they passed. This is an entire system of laws which will require further legislation. Face it, we’re stuck for now and we’ll be battling thing thing when we should be doing other things. CommieCare will drain the nation.
grambo wrote:
Could have been sasquatch’s distant relative, though.
grambo wrote:
Java Man was an advance
Over the protozoa
But when this ancient stubbed his foot
He still would Krakatoa
@ grambo:
So although we are nothing more than an evolution of what came before that which is further down the line (ie: what we evolved into) is a completely different species altogether?
uh huh…
@ MacDuff:
I.LOVE.THAT!
WrathofG-d wrote:
Yes, that’s correct. Homo Habilis is a different species from Homo Sapiens.
You’ve got it now.
Beltfed wrote:
Ziiiiiiiiiinnnngg!!!
Once they start pushing immigration reform, I predict it will make the past few months fury seem like a picnic.
WrathofG-d @ 79:
Trying to confuse the “scientists” is not nice. Ludwick will get on your case.
Pre-human ???
grambo wrote:
Homo Hillbillies?
teacake wrote:
That begs the burning question: what’s next? Cap and Tax? Immigration?
One of the scientific “truths” I’ve always found hard to swallow is that we all are descendants of Africans.
teacake wrote:
Are you saying there is a difference between the African and the European swallow?
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I will leave it to someone else to post the inevitable “Deliverance” jokes….
@ grambo:
The real question is, what sort of genetic mutation caused liberals to be created?
They’re clearly a different species.
It’s always seemed to me that there are probably quite a few civilizations that just have no remains at all to study. Places destroyed by volcano, major earthquakes that sank places… endless possibilities that there’s a lot to human history that is impossible to find.
Looks like Chuckle’s metamorphosis to Comic Book Guy is complete.
buzzsawmonkey @ 93:
The evolution of Homo Habilis.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
lol I am the worst speller ever regardless how many times I use spell check, my brain just does not compute when it comes to spelling.
lobo91 wrote:
Probably LSD etal
The Osprey @ 97:
You won’t hear a squeal from me.
The Osprey wrote:
Yeah … I’m in Tennessee. I was gonna say something like “yup, that’s me!” …. then realized ….um ….. nevermind.
teacake wrote:
I was just making a cheap Monty Python reference.
@ Beltfed:
Heh.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Did I spell it the wrong way or not? LOL I have no idea.
teacake wrote:
Because we aren’t.
Scientists don’t know everything and are constantly proving themselves wrong.
teacake wrote:
Oh, your spelling was fine. I was just referring to the Monty Python and the Holy Grail scene where the knights are asked, “What is the air speed of an unladen swallow?” and the knight asks back, “African or European?”
…I guess you had to be there.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
swallow that’s a nancy thing//
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Or have seen Spamalot.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
sorry : ( lol my memory for movie lines is pretty much non existent.
@ Urban Infidel:
I read somewhere that Leaky’s views were proven as well to be rubbish. IIRC that it is Leaky. Also the “facts” that the ancients were peaceful and perhaps ruled by goddess type women… nuf said. lol
gotta catch the bus.
WrathofG-d wrote:
You’re stepping in the same poo as Johnson. Actually, science doesn’t require any faith. Scienceology, like Johnson promotes does, but science doesn’t. The problem with him and Dawkins and that whole crowd is that they do argue from a position of faith, and are unable to digest new information that doesn’t fit with their preconceived conclusions. It doesn’t mean that they’re wrong, it just means that it’s not science.
Science is inherently skeptical. They are faithful. That leads off into the desert of consensus and all that other stuff that faith is made of, but it isn’t science.
mawskrat wrote:
whips, chains, rubber sheets….
@ teacake:
But there was no “Africa” at the time.
Like I said the other day, noone knows exactly what is in this bill. Like Princess Nancy said, you had to pass it to find out what is in it.
Just wanted to say:
“Insurance” for pre-existing conditions is nonsense. It would be cheaper to have a subsidy at each hospital for chronically sick children whose parents cannot afford long-term care, or expensive operations.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Correct. Under the best of circumstances, it will converge on the truth. But there’s no guarantee that the means of testing a new theory will always be there. That’s the problem with the TOEs. It may very well turn out that they’re untestable.
But when you have a pea-brain like Yertle, it’s all easy, because wrong is close enough.
@ teacake:
From even before that I find this hard to believe. Going from knuckle dragger to biped.
Now where in that long drawn out cycle was being half knuckle dragger and half biped not “survival of the fittest”? And that is only because we deem those that survive the “fittest”.
These “facts” completely ignore “chance” Also known as “wrong place-wrong time” or two objects cannot occupy the same space and time or the bigger faster one eats the one who messed up or wasn’t paying attention and so on and so on.
How did all the body organs and bones know how to “evolve” together in order to have a working final product? Many different bones would have to “evolve” in tandem to make the leap between knuckle dragger and biped.
That is my non-scientific view from a “civil engineering field” (hard science) school of hard knocks not formally educated, but logical, standpoint.
@ snork:
Didn’t you think that “The Ancestor’s Tale” was a good account of evolution?
When he writes about science, Dawkins is not religious. When he writes about politics, he is.
teacake wrote:
You’re really setting yourself up.
bar wrote:
That’s because they haven’t found the nose picker yet.
@ snork:
“Actually, science doesn’t require any faith.”
Quite right. Unless one does not trust in the reality of the physical world.
snork wrote:
The nose pickers all came in illegally, but they were just doing the jobs that other early hominids wouldn’t do.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Ha!
@ snork:
To much info.
I read a study somewhere that nose pickers and “eaters” of said pickings tend not to get sick. Which is enough to make you sick…
That was almost as bad as reading that early 1800′s teeth whitening was best done with early morning urine. Something about the ammonia in your urine that whitens your teeth, yet it also destroys the now white teeth.
Maybe that explains why the British have such bad teeth.
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Overlook @ 125:
No, no no, they were the fruit and produce pickers.
@ Overlook:
I disagree. Science, per se, may not require faith, but in practice it requires faith in scientists. No on can have all of the advanced degrees in all the disparate fields to really know the science. Even if you did, you’d still not be able to personally perform all of the experiments, calculations, etc. required. You have to trust that the scientific community is trying their level best to tell the truth to us. After the CRU-tape letters, we know that not all of them are doing so. I’d say after all the scandals one should view “science” with a hefty skepticism. What is their angle is the first question in evaluating science.
@ RIX:
No one knew what was in the bill because it kept changing. I don’t like where healthcare is headed. When a program promises equal access for all, that means less for everyone. Less R and D and less cutting edge treatments.
@ Iron Fist:
Mostly it’s about selling something. The sciences are full of charlatans and snake oil salesmen.