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Excuse Me. Where Is Obama’s Congratulations Message To Israel On Its 62nd Anniversary Of Independence?

by Rodan ( 252 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Blogmocracy, Guest Post, Israel, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Progressives at April 20th, 2010 - 11:30 am

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Unless I have missed it today, I have not seen one mention anywhere that Barack Hussein Obama formally congratulated Israel on its 62nd anniversary (if I did miss it, someone please let me know in comments). I see that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton extended a message to Israel but nothing from Obama. NOTHING from Obama.

Here’s what Clinton said, from the report at Haaretz:

“The United States will continue to stand with you, sharing your risks and helping shoulder your burdens, as we face the future together,” the U.S. secretary of State added. Clinton also stressed what she called her “deep personal commitment to Israel,” one she claimed to have shared with U.S. President Barack Obama, adding that Washington would “not waver in protecting Israel’s security and promoting Israel’s future.” “That is why pursuing peace and recognized borders

for Israel is one of our top priorities,” Clinton said, adding that she believed it was “possible – indeed necessary – to achieve a comprehensive peace in the Middle East that provides Israelis, Palestinians, and all the people of the region security, prosperity, and the opportunity to live up to their full God-given potential.”

Now, you will see in the quote above, I bolded the words “recognized borders” that Clinton used in her message …get that zinger to the Israelis? Not only doesn’t the President of the United States of America NOT extend a personal congratulations to Israel on this day but his 3rd string puppet, Hillary Clinton, takes this celebratory occassion to reinforce the fact that she and Obama want Israel confined to a tight little box of land that she and her muslim appeasing President approve of. Disgusting.

By the way, I want to mention the following headlines from Obama’s Presidency so far:
1. Obama congratulates Iran on New Year

2. The President’s Message to the Iranian People

3. Obama Sends Message To Muslims From Cairo

4. Obama Sends Out Message to Muslims for Ramadan

Isn’t that interesting. Barack Hussein Obama hasn’t missed any opportunities to send congratulations and messages off to the Muslim world since he became President, but on the day that Israel celebrates an Independence Day that is probably the most dramatic in human history, he’s got a sock in his mouth.

What a disgusting display by the President of the United States of America.

(Cross Posted at  Holger Awakens)

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252 Responses to “Excuse Me. Where Is Obama’s Congratulations Message To Israel On Its 62nd Anniversary Of Independence?”
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  1. imploder
    1 | April 20, 2010 11:31 am

    Wouldn’t be holding my breath on that one.


  2. vagabond trader
    2 | April 20, 2010 11:38 am

    Are you saying he doesn’t like the Juice or something? :mrgreen:


  3. m
    3 | April 20, 2010 11:38 am

    via snork:

    It wasn’t in the major MSM, but Politico has this: http://www.buzzbox.com/top/default/preview/obama-on-israel-independence-day-strong-unbreakable-bond/?id=1066702&topic=independence-day:israel
    Curiously, even though this story shows up in buzzbox, it’s nowhere to be found on the actual Politico site.


  4. 4 | April 20, 2010 11:39 am

    IF I’m not mistaken, aside from the wars that Israel has had to deal with, that the borders were never clear in the first place was the UN did that intentionally.


  5. vagabond trader
    5 | April 20, 2010 11:41 am

    The picture of a US president pushing 50 wearing the ghetto ball cap…..barf!!


  6. 6 | April 20, 2010 11:41 am

    @ m:

    He will congratulate Iran publically but will whisper to Israel. Unreal!


  7. citizen_q
    7 | April 20, 2010 11:41 am

    Muck fobama!

    Let him be silent. I prefer that to any insincere and condescending statement he would otherwise make.

    His true feelings are all too apparent.


  8. 8 | April 20, 2010 11:42 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    Maybe it’s an Islamic Skull Cap!


  9. vagabond trader
    9 | April 20, 2010 11:42 am

    @ Rodan:

    lol,thought of that and said to self noooooooooo!!!!


  10. m
    10 | April 20, 2010 11:43 am

    @ Rodan:

    He doesn’t even try to hide his bias. The msm does it for him.


  11. 11 | April 20, 2010 11:43 am

    @ m:
    The comments are very disheartening and I do fear most people agree with that attitude. To think most of America stands with Israel is wishful thinking. I think its a tiny handful.


  12. vagabond trader
    12 | April 20, 2010 11:44 am

    @ m:

    Thank G-d Israel is onto his game.


  13. 13 | April 20, 2010 11:45 am

    @ teacake:

    To think most of America stands with Israel is wishful thinking.

    You are wrong!

    63% of Americans support Israel.


  14. 14 | April 20, 2010 11:47 am

    It was by proxie with his Naw Ruz greetings to Iran.


  15. 15 | April 20, 2010 11:48 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    Israel and the most Americans as well.


  16. 16 | April 20, 2010 11:49 am

    @ Scott Madsen:

    Yeah it was his praise of Iran’s Supreme Leader!


  17. daughter of patriots
    17 | April 20, 2010 11:51 am

    Saw this over at American Digest. This is what happens when you wake a free nation!

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuLjAOgQqOA&feature=player_embedded


  18. 18 | April 20, 2010 11:51 am

    @ Rodan:
    I hope I’m wrong. Just doesn’t seem so.


  19. Speranza
    19 | April 20, 2010 11:53 am

    Hey after skipping the funeral of the Polish president, he was out playing golf. The man has zero class.


  20. 20 | April 20, 2010 11:54 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    Obama isn’t anti-semitic. He just likes the way the swastika goes with his outfit.


  21. coldwarrior
    21 | April 20, 2010 11:55 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Hey after skipping the funeral of the Polish president, he was out playing golf. The man has zero class.

    hold on…be fair, he didnt ‘skip’ the funeral

    AF1 could not fly to poland for the funeral…all air traffic was grounded due to volcano.


  22. chickadee
    22 | April 20, 2010 11:55 am

    He refuses to acknowledge Israel and panders to savages who smile but still see him as a delusional weakling.
    Zero’s maniacal hatred of Israel makes him an extremely dangerous useful idiot.


  23. 23 | April 20, 2010 11:56 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ vagabond trader:
    Obama isn’t anti-semitic. He just likes the way the swastika crescent and moon goes with his outfit.


  24. vapig
    24 | April 20, 2010 11:58 am

    teacake wrote:

    @ m:
    The comments are very disheartening and I do fear most people agree with that attitude. To think most of America stands with Israel is wishful thinking. I think its a tiny handful.

    I might be misunderstanding you, but in my view most Americans DO stand with Israel. It’s only the loud libtards that are the antisemites. Look at all the flowers Netanyahu got from Americans embarrassed and outraged by obammy!

    And to the progs out there – YES! If you are anti-Israel you are an antisemite! Period!


  25. 25 | April 20, 2010 11:58 am

    @ teacake:

    Good point. The swastika has good, honorable roots, it was just sullied by the Nazis. The Crecent Moon of the Jihadis Moongod has been an unholy symbol for centuries.


  26. 26 | April 20, 2010 11:58 am

    chickadee wrote:

    He refuses to acknowledge Israel and panders to savages who smile but still see him as a delusional weakling.
    Zero’s maniacal hatred of Israel makes him an extremely dangerous useful idiot.

    His leftwing, muslim upbringing left him believing the propaganda. He’s a very misinformed asshole with no ability to understand history or presidential responsibility and diplomacy.


  27. vapig
    27 | April 20, 2010 11:59 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ teacake:
    To think most of America stands with Israel is wishful thinking.
    You are wrong!
    63% of Americans support Israel.

    I think it’s higher than that. Just as I know no one ever calls me on those poles!


  28. 28 | April 20, 2010 11:59 am

    @ teacake:

    I hope I’m wrong. Just doesn’t seem so.

    Explain where you draw this conclusion? I was at a Tea Party and saw Israeli flags.

    Why do you have a defeatist mindset?

    Please give us facts and figures.


  29. 29 | April 20, 2010 12:00 pm

    @ vapig:
    There are so many anti Israel hate sites that I find it hard to believe most Americans side with Israel. I wasn’t aware of the flowers.


  30. Doppelganger
    30 | April 20, 2010 12:01 pm

    I’m shocked that Barack Mohammed Hussein Sottero Obama is anti Israel

    /


  31. vapig
    31 | April 20, 2010 12:02 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Hey after skipping the funeral of the Polish president, he was out playing golf. The man has zero class.

    That’s actually not really fair – I had to cancel several trips overseas to Europe yesterday. No one is flying out there.


  32. chickadee
    32 | April 20, 2010 12:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ teacake:

    I hope I’m wrong. Just doesn’t seem so.

    Explain where you draw this conclusion? I was at a Tea Party and saw Israeli flags.

    Why do you have a defeatist mindset?

    Please give us facts and figures.

    I have a friend who took an Israeli flag to the Tax Day Tea Party. She said so many people came up to her and hugged her and thanked her for bringing it and waving it so enthusiastically.


  33. 33 | April 20, 2010 12:02 pm

    One of the comments from the site that M posted.

    I suppose “enough already” wants to continue Israel’s one state solution with its apartheid conditions, mass incarcerations of 1.5 million people in Gaza where civilians are bombed at will and burned with white phosphorous, etc. Enough already. Latest BBC poll shows world approval of Israel is 19%, one of the lowest in the world.


  34. coldwarrior
    34 | April 20, 2010 12:02 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ teacake:
    Good point. The swastika has good, honorable roots, it was just sullied by the Nazis. The Crecent Moon of the Jihadis Moongod has been an unholy symbol for centuries.

    the pre-ww2 yearbooks from the high school that i attended were called the swastika from the greco-roman version where the swastika symbolizes perpetual motion.


  35. 35 | April 20, 2010 12:04 pm

    @ vapig:

    Agreed but don’t tell people on this blog. The defeatism around here is really annoying.


  36. 36 | April 20, 2010 12:04 pm

    Why do you have a defeatist mindset?

    Life experience being a Jewish gal.


  37. vapig
    37 | April 20, 2010 12:04 pm

    teacake wrote:

    chickadee wrote:
    He refuses to acknowledge Israel and panders to savages who smile but still see him as a delusional weakling.
    Zero’s maniacal hatred of Israel makes him an extremely dangerous useful idiot.
    His leftwing, muslim upbringing left him believing the propaganda. He’s a very misinformed asshole with no ability to understand history or presidential responsibility and diplomacy.

    Misinformed my ass. Even when he COULD have gotten a different perspective he CHOSE to surround himself with proles. He’s a prog by choice!


  38. 38 | April 20, 2010 12:05 pm

    Almost time to go to work. C ya’ll later.


  39. Doppelganger
    39 | April 20, 2010 12:05 pm

    teacake wrote:

    One of the comments from the site that M posted.
    I suppose “enough already” wants to continue Israel’s one state solution with its apartheid conditions, mass incarcerations of 1.5 million people in Gaza where civilians are bombed at will and burned with white phosphorous, etc. Enough already. Latest BBC poll shows world approval of Israel is 19%, one of the lowest in the world.

    thanks to the media!

    but wait, the Jooooooooooooooos control the media
    /


  40. vapig
    40 | April 20, 2010 12:06 pm

    teacake wrote:

    @ vapig:
    There are so many anti Israel hate sites that I find it hard to believe most Americans side with Israel. I wasn’t aware of the flowers.

    What makes you think they’re not hosted by muzzies? What if one guy has 72 of them? Don’t pay attention to stuff like like!


  41. mjazz
    41 | April 20, 2010 12:06 pm

    Well, give the dude credit. He congratulated them at 2am the next day.
    Classy, like returning the bust of Churchill, and giving the Browns 25 DVDs and $15 plastic helicopters for their sons, when Prime Minister Brown brought a penholder that had been crafted from the timbers of the 19th century warship HMS President. The significance of this gift is magnified by the fact that the HMS President’s sister ship, HMS Resolute, provided the wood for the very desk that is used in the Oval office today. For President Obama’s daughters, Sarah Brown brought trendy dresses with matching jewelry.


  42. 42 | April 20, 2010 12:06 pm

    @ teacake:

    Thats the BBC. WHat does that have to do with America? Serious who cares what the World ie: Euros and Muzzies think. Your concern should be how Americans view Israel. As you saw 63% of Americans support Israel.

    Stop being defeatist, seriously its not a good thing.


  43. vapig
    43 | April 20, 2010 12:07 pm

    Doppelganger wrote:

    I’m shocked that Barack Mohammed Hussein Sottero Obama is anti Israel
    /

    :mrgreen: If there was any post that didn’t require the sarc tag I’d say that was it!


  44. 44 | April 20, 2010 12:07 pm

    In a couple of weeks we can put his Israeli Remembrance Day statement beside his Cinco De Mayo one.

    Parsing them would be a good thread.


  45. 45 | April 20, 2010 12:08 pm

    @ vapig:

    Some people like being Defeatists. Seriosuly they need to get out in the real world. Its time for us on this blog to stop this defeatist crap. This is excatly what the Progressives want.


  46. vapig
    46 | April 20, 2010 12:09 pm

    teacake wrote:

    One of the comments from the site that M posted.
    I suppose “enough already” wants to continue Israel’s one state solution with its apartheid conditions, mass incarcerations of 1.5 million people in Gaza where civilians are bombed at will and burned with white phosphorous, etc. Enough already. Latest BBC poll shows world approval of Israel is 19%, one of the lowest in the world.

    Teacake! That’s Europe! Why would that surprise you? We’re talking America here!


  47. 47 | April 20, 2010 12:09 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    I will not hold my breath on Obama mentioning Israeli remeberance day!

    If he does remind me so I can eat crow!

    :-)


  48. 48 | April 20, 2010 12:10 pm

    @ vapig:

    Some people love feeling persecuted. It’s getting rather annoying around here.


  49. mjazz
    49 | April 20, 2010 12:11 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    That will be chopped up and taken out of context, for certain.


  50. 50 | April 20, 2010 12:11 pm

    @ chickadee:

    I have a friend who took an Israeli flag to the Tax Day Tea Party. She said so many people came up to her and hugged her and thanked her for bringing it and waving it so enthusiastically.

    Good thing she didn’t try that in Ohio.

    That’s why I keep my distance from local TeaParty and 912 Projects. They need to clean house.


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | April 20, 2010 12:12 pm

    If it hadn’t been for the disruption of flying caused by the Icelandic volcano eruption, the congratulatory birthday ham would have already arrived in Israel.


  52. 52 | April 20, 2010 12:13 pm

    @ mjazz:

    Obama doesn’t know how to be head of State. If he did, we could make him a figurehead President, and he might be acceptible. Unfortunately, he isn’t qualified for even that.


  53. coldwarrior
    53 | April 20, 2010 12:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ vapig:
    Some people love feeling persecuted. It’s getting rather annoying around here.

    indeed.

    the tide has turned, the pendulum is swinging back to the right…


  54. mjazz
    54 | April 20, 2010 12:13 pm

    @ teacake:
    There are a lot of churches that say the Church has replaced Israel, but more see the birth of Israel as the fulfillment of Bible prophecy.


  55. 55 | April 20, 2010 12:14 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Remembrance Day (think memorial) is the day before Independence Day, yesterday, day before.


  56. bar
    56 | April 20, 2010 12:14 pm

    Nanny state News:

    EPA Contest Seeks Videos Promoting Government Regulations

    President Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency is encouraging the public to create video advertisements that explain why federal regulations are “important to everyone.”

    ——————————–

    FDA Plans To Limit Amount Of Salt Allowed In Processed Foods

    The Food and Drug Administration is planning an unprecedented effort to gradually reduce the salt consumed each day by Americans, saying that less sodium in everything from soup to nuts would prevent thousands of deaths from hypertension and heart disease. The initiative, to be launched this year, would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt allowed in food products.

    Only problem, sodium has not been proven to cause hypertension or heart disease. Italians consume far more sodium then we do in the US, yet they do not have the same high rate of hypertension or heart disease.

    ——————————

    Mayor Wants To Fire Employees For Smoking — At Home

    Now city officials might crack down on employee tobacco use — both at work and during their personal time — by requiring them to quit smoking after one year. The proposal would also disqualify for employment anyone who admits to the habit

    The health police are here.


  57. mjazz
    57 | April 20, 2010 12:15 pm

    @ vapig:
    You’re a pole dancer?/


  58. vapig
    58 | April 20, 2010 12:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ vapig:
    Some people like being Defeatists. Seriosuly they need to get out in the real world. Its time for us on this blog to stop this defeatist crap. This is excatly what the Progressives want.

    Well, hey – this guy bums me out too. Every day it’s something new, he just never lets up! Now they’re calling us terrorists and they MEAN it!

    However, I can only get so low and then I just pray – because I really feel that this really is part of God’s plan and He’s judging us right now. We have not been that shining beacon on the hill we could have been. We’ve let the progs turn us into a Godless country and we’re being punished for not fighting them!


  59. 59 | April 20, 2010 12:16 pm

    @ vapig:

    That’s actually not really fair – I had to cancel several trips overseas to Europe yesterday. No one is flying out there.

    Sure it is. He could have gone to the Polish Embassy and participated there.


  60. 60 | April 20, 2010 12:16 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

    :lol:


  61. taxfreekiller
    61 | April 20, 2010 12:16 pm

    Change you can belive in?

    McCain,,,,2006,,,”You will not pick lettuce and the immigrants will”.

    McCain,,,,2010,,”You should arrest them and deport them.”


  62. vapig
    62 | April 20, 2010 12:17 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    If it hadn’t been for the disruption of flying caused by the Icelandic volcano eruption, the congratulatory birthday ham would have already arrived in Israel.

    :lol: You’re making a joke but that’s not outside of his hubris!


  63. coldwarrior
    63 | April 20, 2010 12:17 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    throw out the whole movement in ohio because trafficant is speaking at a rally? that’s pretty severe, dnt you think?


  64. 64 | April 20, 2010 12:17 pm

    @ bar:

    This is Fascism!


  65. 65 | April 20, 2010 12:18 pm

    [...] Blogmocracy Asks: Where is Obama? [...]


  66. 66 | April 20, 2010 12:19 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Yeah I’m sure JD Hayworth has something to do with McCain’s born again Conservatism!


  67. taxfreekiller
    67 | April 20, 2010 12:19 pm

    If the former molster in chief is aginst you,,, you have to be doing someting right.


  68. taxfreekiller
    68 | April 20, 2010 12:21 pm

    Obama is supported by Bill Clinton, John F. Kerry, Barney Frank, Chuck Schummer, and Nancy Pelosi.

    Need more?


  69. 69 | April 20, 2010 12:22 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Those same people alos speak highly of Ms. Lindsey Graham!

    Coincidence? You know it isn’t!


  70. mjazz
    70 | April 20, 2010 12:23 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Need help with the feathers?/


  71. 71 | April 20, 2010 12:23 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    If Trafficant said something anti-Israeli at the rally, I would bet money he would get booed off stage.


  72. 72 | April 20, 2010 12:24 pm

    @ mjazz:

    :lol:


  73. m
    73 | April 20, 2010 12:25 pm

    @ mjazz:

    “I look forward to continuing our efforts with Israel to achieve comprehensive peace and security in the region, including a two-state solution, and to working together to counter the forces that threaten Israel, the United States, and the world,” Obama underlined.

    This man is daft. What “counter”? He’s working WITH the forces that threaten Israel.


  74. 74 | April 20, 2010 12:25 pm

    vapig wrote:

    Now they’re calling us terrorists and they MEAN it!

    You are damn right they mean it. to them we are way worse than Mohammedan terrorists. Mohammedans might blow shit up, behead people, even smallpox us, but they don’t threaten the Democrat’s power base. We do. It is all a matter of priorities, and the Democrats will always put political power over any other thing. If it were a choice between losing power or their sould to eternal damnation, their choice would be (and is) very clear.


  75. snork
    75 | April 20, 2010 12:25 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    If it hadn’t been for the disruption of flying caused by the Icelandic volcano eruption, the congratulatory birthday ham would have already arrived in Israel.

    One of those kosher hams. From a circumcised pig.


  76. mjazz
    76 | April 20, 2010 12:26 pm

    I thought Progressives were the new liberals? Why is this guy calling himself Progressive? Tyranny may be closer than we think.


  77. 77 | April 20, 2010 12:27 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ BenZacharia:
    throw out the whole movement in ohio because trafficant is speaking at a rally? that’s pretty severe, dnt you think?

    When a nazi gets on stage and gets cheered, I won’t be in that crowd. It wasn’t just j. traficant, there were others and it was not a 1 time affair.


  78. vapig
    78 | April 20, 2010 12:28 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ teacake:
    There are a lot of churches that say the Church has replaced Israel, but more see the birth of Israel as the fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

    Yep! And for a lot of us the rebirth of Israel started the endgame clock ticking. Things seem to really be speeding up.


  79. coldwarrior
    79 | April 20, 2010 12:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    If Trafficant said something anti-Israeli at the rally, I would bet money he would get booed off stage.

    i’m gonna bet, and this is without googlin’ that this Trafficant hates jews thing is a result of the john demyanuk (sp) case… and that is another can o worms right there.


  80. m
    80 | April 20, 2010 12:29 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    There was nothing of the sort at any rally I attended. I do hope you contacted them and asked them WTF.


  81. vapig
    81 | April 20, 2010 12:31 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    @ vapig:
    That’s actually not really fair – I had to cancel several trips overseas to Europe yesterday. No one is flying out there.
    Sure it is. He could have gone to the Polish Embassy and participated there.

    I’ll give you that one. He IS thoughtless. Bush would have gone to the embassy.


  82. coldwarrior
    82 | April 20, 2010 12:31 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    your link only lists Traficant as the anti-jew in ohio.


  83. mjazz
    83 | April 20, 2010 12:31 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    After getting rid of us, they would then have to get rid of the mohammedans. Everything they believe in is almost the exact opposite of what mohammedans believe. The mohammedans are even pro-life anti-abortion.


  84. 84 | April 20, 2010 12:31 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    No, the Jews are resposible for his political downfall and enprisonment. JT is not unknown to the crowd he spoke to, that’s why he was there. He is as left and as nuts as dennis kucinich.


  85. vapig
    85 | April 20, 2010 12:32 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ vapig:
    You’re a pole dancer?/

    30 years ago that would have been cute. Now it’s just ewwwwww!


  86. 86 | April 20, 2010 12:32 pm

    @ m:

    That was my experience. Everyone was Pro-Israel at mine.


  87. vapig
    87 | April 20, 2010 12:33 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Change you can belive in?
    McCain,,,,2006,,,”You will not pick lettuce and the immigrants will”.
    McCain,,,,2010,,”You should arrest them and deport them.”

    Too little, too late, Johnny!


  88. mjazz
    88 | April 20, 2010 12:33 pm

    @ vapig:

    Things seem to really be speeding up.

    Hardly a day goes by without hearing of another earthquake.


  89. m
    89 | April 20, 2010 12:33 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I had not heard of his anti-semitism. But even without knowing about that, I would think he would have gotten boo’ed off the stage just for being a former dem rep convicted of bribery and racketeering.


  90. coldwarrior
    90 | April 20, 2010 12:34 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    No, the Jews are resposible for his political downfall and enprisonment. JT is not unknown to the crowd he spoke to, that’s why he was there. He is as left and as nuts as dennis kucinich.

    well, it was the clinton doj that took him down after his repeated attacks form the floor of the congress.

    next time i see jim, i’ll ask about this anti-semitism.


  91. 91 | April 20, 2010 12:34 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    I don’t think the majority of the people there even knew what he had said about Jews. They probably were just listening to some anti-Obama stuff. The Organizers should of done their homework better.


  92. vapig
    92 | April 20, 2010 12:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ bar:
    This is Fascism!

    SEE?!?! They just won’t let up!


  93. mjazz
    93 | April 20, 2010 12:36 pm

    @ vapig:
    8)


  94. 94 | April 20, 2010 12:36 pm

    @ m:

    Yeah I think he played the he was screwed over by the Left card and they put him there. They didn’t realize his past statement. Niot everyone sites around and digs up anti-semitic sayings of people.


  95. coldwarrior
    95 | April 20, 2010 12:36 pm

    m wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I had not heard of his anti-semitism. But even without knowing about that, I would think he would have gotten boo’ed off the stage just for being a former dem rep convicted of bribery and racketeering.

    dude is a nut, and a dem, no doubt..the youngstown area runs on organized crime. i am surprised he was the only one taken down.


  96. 96 | April 20, 2010 12:37 pm

    @ vapig:

    That’s why as someone’s nic around here says, we must NEVERGIVEUP!


  97. 97 | April 20, 2010 12:37 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Didn’t he once talk about the Illuminati and all that?


  98. vapig
    98 | April 20, 2010 12:38 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ BenZacharia:
    throw out the whole movement in ohio because trafficant is speaking at a rally? that’s pretty severe, dnt you think?
    When a nazi gets on stage and gets cheered, I won’t be in that crowd. It wasn’t just j. traficant, there were others and it was not a 1 time affair.

    Well, that’s Ohio. I hear that place is weird. I would gladly identify myself with the Tea Party out here.


  99. mjazz
    99 | April 20, 2010 12:39 pm

    One guy at the Westerly, RI event was bashing US aid to Israel. It was an open mic. He didn’t get any applause.


  100. snork
    100 | April 20, 2010 12:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ vapig:

    Some people like being Defeatists. Seriosuly they need to get out in the real world. Its time for us on this blog to stop this defeatist crap. This is excatly what the Progressives want.

    You mean like “we’re doomed”?


  101. coldwarrior
    101 | April 20, 2010 12:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ BenZacharia:
    I don’t think the majority of the people there even knew what he had said about Jews. They probably were just listening to some anti-Obama stuff. The Organizers should of done their homework better.

    no doubt, he is a dubious fit at best in this movement, an odd choice. maybe he had a jailhouse conversion or something?

    aha:

    i was right!

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CSobvj_Mxk

    the dude is nutty, no doubt. nor do i agree with him…

    oh…he bad mouthed israel…yep he’s a nazi

    /


  102. 102 | April 20, 2010 12:44 pm

    There are two tell-tale signs of someone who is completely stuck on stupid when it comes to Israel.

    (1) They continue to pursue a “two-state” (actually 3) solution.
    (2) They continue to believe President Obama is Pro-Israel.


  103. 103 | April 20, 2010 12:45 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ BenZacharia:
    your link only lists Traficant as the anti-Jew in Ohio.

    Well golly gee, I take everything back. Since it is just 1 rabid, well known Jew hating commie loving asshole INVITED by those in the know to speak to the TeaParty, and getting cheered by those who know his history and views.

    One duex in the TeaPot is enough for me. How many does it take for you to forgo the Tea and demand a new batch?

    BTW What’s you position on the Priest bring 1 wiccan into your Church to speak on morality?


  104. buzzsawmonkey
    104 | April 20, 2010 12:45 pm

    I’m in favor of the two-stake solution. One through the heart of Hamas. One through the heart of Fatah.


  105. coldwarrior
    105 | April 20, 2010 12:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Didn’t he once talk about the Illuminati and all that?

    he is a nut, really he is. some peeps in y’town love him thos becasue he is sucha lose cannon.


  106. 106 | April 20, 2010 12:46 pm

    # 101 Cont.

    There should be a concerted effort by the true Pro-Israel community to end the farce of both of the above. If there is ever going to be peace for Israel we need to try something different, and end the charade of “two States” immediately!

    This failed plan can no longer be the blueprint for peace between Israel and the Muslims.


  107. 107 | April 20, 2010 12:47 pm

    @ snork:

    Not like that just the constant negativity. It really gets annoying.


  108. snork
    108 | April 20, 2010 12:48 pm

    Here’s Obama’s statement:
    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-ZAXBn1qOo&feature=player_embedded


  109. coldwarrior
    109 | April 20, 2010 12:49 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    dont change the subject.

    have you and yours contacted the leadership and got vocal about it, if you feel that strongly maybe do something about it instead of bitching on a blog.


  110. 110 | April 20, 2010 12:50 pm

    @ vapig:

    He was also featured at the Naples rally in Feb.

    His celebrity is rising in the TeaParty.

    I wait for the same excuses being made for Ron Paul be featured. Gag!


  111. coldwarrior
    111 | April 20, 2010 12:51 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    but i like the two state soln…thusly:

    palestine gets a state, palestine allows terror attacks to be launched against israel from its soil, israel declares war on palestine and destroys the state of it and takes the land…

    howz that?


  112. buzzsawmonkey
    112 | April 20, 2010 12:51 pm

    @ snork:

    Zardoz! Zardoz! Zardoz!


  113. 113 | April 20, 2010 12:52 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That was a weird movie!


  114. vapig
    114 | April 20, 2010 12:53 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ BenZacharia:
    I don’t think the majority of the people there even knew what he had said about Jews. They probably were just listening to some anti-Obama stuff. The Organizers should of done their homework better.
    no doubt, he is a dubious fit at best in this movement, an odd choice. maybe he had a jailhouse conversion or something?
    aha:
    i was right!
    the dude is nutty, no doubt. nor do i agree with him…
    oh…he bad mouthed israel…yep he’s a nazi
    /

    Dude is an idiot! I’ll never get the Jews own the media and linking it with Israel thing. A lot of prog Jews dispise Israel.

    This guy has no place in a Tea Party! Someone whould inform Ohio.


  115. 115 | April 20, 2010 12:53 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ BenZacharia:
    dont change the subject.
    have you and yours contacted the leadership and got vocal about it, if you feel that strongly maybe do something about it instead of bitching on a blog.

    They were emailed.


  116. Speranza
    116 | April 20, 2010 12:55 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    AF1 could not fly to poland for the funeral…all air traffic was grounded due to volcano.

    He could’ve taken a different route.


  117. 117 | April 20, 2010 12:55 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    The Muzzies have 57 countries. They don’t need anymore and they should stay there. They are not wanted in America and the Euros are sick of them. Israel needs to teach the Imperialists a lesson and that will solve that issue.


  118. coldwarrior
    118 | April 20, 2010 12:55 pm

    vapig wrote:

    This guy has no place in a Tea Party! Someone whould inform Ohio.

    i agree wholeheartedly. his inclusion will be a bad move.


  119. 119 | April 20, 2010 12:56 pm

    @ vapig:

    This guy has no place in a Tea Party! Someone whould inform Ohio.

    HE WAS INVITED BY THE OHIO ‘LEADERSHIP’!!!


  120. 120 | April 20, 2010 12:56 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    They were emailed.

    Good, When I get home I will email as well! Thanks for pointing this out and the leaders better be aware that this guy is a whackjob.


  121. 121 | April 20, 2010 12:57 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Interesting idea, but it will not happen. Oslo, Gaza 2005, etc., prove this. You heard the same arguments about how the Expulsion of everything Jewish from Gaza in 2005 would either (a) show the world what the Phakestinians are really made of, or (b) allow Israel to finally take care of the problem. History, and reality have shown that neither was the case.

    The hard reality is that with a growing disloyal Muslim population within Israel, and a blatantly hostile enemy within Judea and Samaria, the only true resolution to the hostilities that have existed between Israel and the Muslim world would be to finish the exchange of populations that began in the early 1900s, and more rapidly around 1948.


  122. vapig
    122 | April 20, 2010 12:57 pm

    snork wrote:

    Here’s Obama’s statement:

    Pfftt! That’s obviously the teleprompter! Much more coherant than the won!


  123. 123 | April 20, 2010 12:58 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    The hard reality is that with a growing disloyal Muslim population within Israel,

    Muslism disloyal to a Non Muslism State, you have got to be kidding me! I never would of thought that!
    /


  124. coldwarrior
    124 | April 20, 2010 12:58 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    i know…your idea is better.

    :)


  125. 125 | April 20, 2010 1:00 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Unfortunately, I believe that you might be correct as to what Israel must do. I have long suggested a transfer of hostile Muslims from Israel to a more appropriate location for them. They deserve a peaceful, Islamic based life without “occupation” and can only experience it in a Muslim state among their brethren.


  126. 126 | April 20, 2010 1:00 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    I really don’t think they investigated what he’s about. They just wanted Obama bashing. The easiest answer is usually the answer. I don’t think there’s some nefarious plot involving Trafficant. It’s more like let’s get an Obama basher.


  127. 127 | April 20, 2010 1:00 pm

    OT

    Nation Border Patrol Council Local 2544 (Tucson sector) trashes the mccainiac and endorses JD Hayworth

    here’s the text of the border patrol local statement but there links embedded at the article which i am not including here:

    Local 2544 is the largest Border Patrol local in the United States. We represent nearly 3,000 Border Patrol agents in the Tucson Border Patrol Sector. We police the busiest corridor in the nation, with apprehensions of illegal aliens and drugs equaling that of all the other Border Patrol Sectors combined.

    Senator John McCain announced a Border Security Plan today. Senator McCain is currently in a statistical dead heat with former House Representative JD Hayworth. Senator McCain, out of apparent frustration, is turning to border security issues to bolster his campaign. Senator McCain has been on the wrong side of border issues for many years. One must ask why he is now portraying himself as a “get tough” politician on border enforcement. McCain has represented Arizona in the Senate since 1987.

    Senator McCain had the opportunity to consult with the men and women who are experts in protecting our borders before releasing his Plan, but he failed to do so.

    JD Hayworth, on the other hand, has reached out to law enforcement statewide in order to gain a better understanding of the needs and difficulties law enforcement professionals face. After reviewing Senator McCain’s plan, Mr. Hayworth immediately consulted border experts in an effort to ascertain its feasibility. Mr. Hayworth is committed to working with the men and women of the United States Border Patrol in finding real solutions to border issues that affect Arizonans.

    Senator McCain’s record indicates he will vote against meaningful pro-enforcement legislation when push comes to shove. We want a representative who will fight for legislation that will help us in our mission to protect our borders when it really counts. Senator McCain’s campaign promises are like a mirage. He wants you to think that the blue color you see on the horizon is water, when it’s really just hot air that looks like water. We’ve had enough hot air from Senator McCain for far too many years. We want a representative who will fight to keep the citizens of Arizona safe. We have had enough of representatives who say one thing on the campaign trail and do the opposite after the campaign is over. Senator McCain has aligned himself with people such as former Arizona Attorney General Grant Woods, a vehement anti-Border Patrol activist. Facts are hard things to ignore, even in “campaign mode”.

    When it comes to border issues, we trust the man who searches for solutions amongst those who know. JD Hayworth is the candidate who is willing to tackle and solve the issues Arizona faces with illegal immigration and border violence. Senator McCain has had years to do something, yet he has failed us time after time. We strongly urge you to ignore Senator McCain’s campaign rhetoric.


  128. coldwarrior
    128 | April 20, 2010 1:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ BenZacharia:
    They were emailed.
    Good, When I get home I will email as well! Thanks for pointing this out and the leaders better be aware that this guy is a whackjob.

    i dont think he should be speaking either, but i’m not willing to throw out the ohioans form the tea party over this. i would prefer that ohioans take care of this problem.


  129. 129 | April 20, 2010 1:01 pm

    @ Rodan:

    …leaders better be aware that this guy is a whackjob.

    They were and are aware, he was their congressman! It would be like the Mass. TeaParty inviting Teddy the Swimmer.


  130. 130 | April 20, 2010 1:02 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    America and Europe should do the same. Send them back to their nations. The exceptions are Persians who genuinely came to the west to get away from Islam.

    They have 57 countries, they don’t need anymore. America, Europe and Israel don’t need them.


  131. 131 | April 20, 2010 1:04 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    Not arguing with you on that point. I just think they wanted an Obama basher. It’s as simple as that.


  132. 132 | April 20, 2010 1:05 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ coldwarrior:

    What everyone wishes to ignore is actually right under our noses when it comes to wanting to find a peaceful resolution to this conflict – the “two state” idea has failed. The only reason we have not yet resolved the problem is because we are continuously attempting to force the square peg, into the round hole. When it naturally doesn’t work, instead of picking up the round peg (separation), the powers-that-be grab the square peg again. Unsurprisingly, it still won’t get in the round hole.

    Nothing will change until the leadership is shown this fact, and thus decides to put down the square peg of “two state solution” and picks up the round peg of separation and resettlement of each group among their co-culture and religionists.


  133. vapig
    133 | April 20, 2010 1:06 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    @ vapig:
    He was also featured at the Naples rally in Feb.
    His celebrity is rising in the TeaParty.
    I wait for the same excuses being made for Ron Paul be featured. Gag!

    Sorry – I’m not knocking a bunch of honest normal people. If you want to have nothing to do with it – don’t. But don’t smear a national movement because of a nutter in one state.


  134. NoThreat2U
    134 | April 20, 2010 1:08 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Wrath I firmly believe that everyone DOES know this won’t work. But, by keeping this “conflict” going, it gives TPTB something to occupy their time with and make it look like they are doing something. There is no way in hell that anyone cannot see that the barbarians don’t play well with others.


  135. vapig
    135 | April 20, 2010 1:08 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    @ vapig:
    This guy has no place in a Tea Party! Someone whould inform Ohio.
    HE WAS INVITED BY THE OHIO ‘LEADERSHIP’!!!

    Not my problem – it’s there’s. If they want to be know as the nutter state, that’s their problem. And don’t yell at me.


  136. 136 | April 20, 2010 1:08 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Like India and Pakistan.


  137. 137 | April 20, 2010 1:10 pm

    @ vapig:

    I think they just have him to prove they are nonpartisana nd he’s an Obama basher. It’s as simple as that.


  138. coldwarrior
    138 | April 20, 2010 1:11 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    The only reason we have not yet resolved the problem is because we are continuously attempting to force the square peg, into the round hole. When it naturally doesn’t work, instead of picking up the round peg (separation), the powers-that-be grab the square peg again. Unsurprisingly, it still won’t get in the round hole.

    well said


  139. coldwarrior
    139 | April 20, 2010 1:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ vapig:
    I think they just have him to prove they are nonpartisana nd he’s an Obama basher. It’s as simple as that.

    ocham’s razor prolly like this explanation


  140. 140 | April 20, 2010 1:12 pm

    @ vapig:

    …nutter in one state.

    Go upthread and see were I premised with OHIO TP.


  141. 141 | April 20, 2010 1:12 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yes, and that is only one example. At the end of his book, “They Must Go!” (a must read if you asked me) Meir Kahane (ohhhh, NGU, LGF and Dark_Falcon shutter :) ) gives examples of at least 10 other situations where in similar situations the Countries exchanged populations and peace resulted.


  142. coldwarrior
    142 | April 20, 2010 1:13 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    stop making sense and thinking clearly. someone might hear and fix the problem and then the proggies wont have the palestinians around as show dogs to exploit anymore.


  143. bar
    143 | April 20, 2010 1:14 pm

    @ Kirly:
    Have you seen this?

    Arizona House OKs Birther Bill

    The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state’s ballot when he runs for re-election.

    The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote.


  144. 144 | April 20, 2010 1:15 pm

    @ vapig:

    Not yelling at you. Yelling to the world that Traficant is not some unknown with unknown views, the leadership KNEW what they were doing.


  145. coldwarrior
    145 | April 20, 2010 1:16 pm

    bar wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    Have you seen this?
    Arizona House OKs Birther Bill
    The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state’s ballot when he runs for re-election.
    The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote.

    :lol:

    now that’s beautiful!


  146. vapig
    146 | April 20, 2010 1:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ vapig:
    I think they just have him to prove they are nonpartisana nd he’s an Obama basher. It’s as simple as that.

    That might be it right there. He’s a dem.


  147. 147 | April 20, 2010 1:16 pm

    @ Rodan:

    trafficant’s a scumbg and a nutter from way back. I don’t know anything about the anti-Semitism part, but even without it it shows poor judgement having him there.


  148. NoThreat2U
    148 | April 20, 2010 1:18 pm

    **OT**

    Any of you guys remember LeePro from LGF? Well, if you do, the end is near for her. Please pray for her family. She is a nice lady.


  149. m
    149 | April 20, 2010 1:18 pm

    @ Rodan:

    They need to get edjumacated. I’m not even from Ohio and I knew he was an asswipe.

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yeah, me too. But if they’re going to sully the reputation of a nationwide movement… I’m going to give them my opinion as well.

    http://taxdayteaparty.com/contact/

    http://www.teapartypatriots.org/Default.aspx?state=Ohio
    (bunches of ‘em)


  150. m
    150 | April 20, 2010 1:19 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    WHAT?! Oh damn.


  151. taxfreekiller
    151 | April 20, 2010 1:19 pm

    exactly@ Kirly:


  152. NoThreat2U
    152 | April 20, 2010 1:19 pm

    @ m:
    Yeah :(


  153. 153 | April 20, 2010 1:20 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Exchange would do nothing to end the attempts to wipe Israels Jewish population out.

    But yes, if the foreigner is not willing to live lawfully and in peace in Israel, ship them out to those countries from which our kinsman were driven from.


  154. 154 | April 20, 2010 1:21 pm

    @ BenZacharia:
    @ Iron Fist:

    From that video, something else stuck out to me. If you listen to his complaints regarding Israel, they are exactly the same thing that Anti-Semites have been accusing Jews of (too much power, control the Government, run the media, etc.) This tirade against “Israel” is then followed up by an assurance of not being Anti-Semitic.

    There will always be Anti-Semites but the transformation of standard Antisemitism into respectable dissent of Israeli policy is blood curling.


  155. coldwarrior
    155 | April 20, 2010 1:21 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ m:

    if you think he’s a scumbag you should see the rest of the politicos in Youngstown…mob central baby!


  156. NoThreat2U
    156 | April 20, 2010 1:21 pm

    Wow my 147 typo is creepy. I felt uncomfortable typing “was” so I tried to change it to “is”. Damn.


  157. bar
    157 | April 20, 2010 1:21 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    If WWII was fought like the Israeli conflict, we would still be playing “paddy-cakes” with Germany and Japan.

    I cant help but wonder if King Sauls mistake is still being paid for?


  158. vapig
    158 | April 20, 2010 1:22 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    @ vapig:
    …nutter in one state.
    Go upthread and see were I premised with OHIO TP.

    Look – you’re not going to convince me. I’ve already seen for myself who these folks are. They are us.


  159. vapig
    159 | April 20, 2010 1:24 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    **OT**
    Any of you guys remember LeePro from LGF? Well, if you do, the end is near for her. Please pray for her family. She was a is a nice lady.

    Not specifically, but I remember the nik. I’m really sorry to hear that. My prayers are with her and her family.


  160. coldwarrior
    160 | April 20, 2010 1:25 pm

    it would be nice if people were this outraged when Catholics are bashed.


  161. NoThreat2U
    161 | April 20, 2010 1:25 pm

    @ vapig:
    Thank you :)


  162. 162 | April 20, 2010 1:25 pm

    LeePro

    Ma Sands April 20 at 1:00pm

    I just called the hospital, and they put me through to her room, and I spoke with her husband, and it is very near the end…..I’m sorry…..


  163. buzzsawmonkey
    163 | April 20, 2010 1:26 pm

    Just a little reminder:

    Israel’s birth might have been delayed had it not been for the horrors of the Holocaust, but it was not Hitler and Holocaust that brought the nation into existence. Seventy years of labor to build the infrastructure of the new state preceded Israel’s declaration of independence.

    In addition, we tend to forget that many other nations were created not long before Israel—e.g., all of the other nations in the Middle East that were formed from the detritus of the Ottoman Empire. Not one of those nations is more than 20 years older than Israel is.

    Some nations were formed contemporaneously with Israel, such as India and Pakistan. Some were formed after Israel was born; most of the nations of Africa, and the independent nations of Southeast Asia.

    I mention these nations because we are constantly given to understand—incorrectly—that Israel and Israel alone stands as a modern creation, whereas Israel stands cozily in the middle as far as the longevity of contemporary nations is concerned.


  164. m
    164 | April 20, 2010 1:26 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I changed it back. Hope you don’t mind.


  165. 165 | April 20, 2010 1:26 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Just found out myself. My thoughts are with her and her family.


  166. NoThreat2U
    166 | April 20, 2010 1:27 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    it would be nice if people were this outraged when Catholics are bashed.

    *snort* Yeah right. We are the world’s leaders in pedophilia. What are you, some kind of sicko????

    ///////choking on it///////


  167. fultonchain
    167 | April 20, 2010 1:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    America and Europe should do the same. Send them back to their nations.

    Let me get this right… are you proposing denying residency and forcibly removing Muslims from the United States based on their religion?

    If so, you sir, have more in common with the Tranzi Totalitarians you rant so eloquently about than you have with your Judeo-Christian brethren. The Founding Fathers were fleeing religious persecution when they arrived in the New World and make no mistake, there are countless Muslims in this country who are here because they choose not to live under tyrannical regimes and appreciate the freedoms they are granted here.

    There is a huge difference between choosing to wear a burqa and wearing one because you will be beaten in the street if you don’t. In failed nations throughout the world tribal warfare and Muslim on Muslim violence is endemic. You would deny human beings a safe haven in a country founded on principles of equality and fair play? Maybe a trip to the Statue of Liberty is in order, here, I’ll help:

    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

    I am no fan of the slippery slope argument, but if there ever was such a thing you’re looking at it. It wasn’t so long ago that the voting majority in this country, may well have chosen to ship the blacks to Africa given the opportunity.

    I’m very sorry, but we don’t do the ethnic cleansing thing in this country.


  168. NoThreat2U
    168 | April 20, 2010 1:28 pm

    @ m:
    No problem.

    @ PaladinPhil:
    How kind of you sir :)


  169. vapig
    169 | April 20, 2010 1:29 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    it would be nice if people were this outraged when Catholics are bashed.

    Or Christians in general.


  170. 170 | April 20, 2010 1:31 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I was not bashing the Ohio TeaParty I am reporting facts. And said they need to clean house. Or is unpleasant truth bashing?


  171. coldwarrior
    171 | April 20, 2010 1:32 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I was not bashing the Ohio TeaParty I am reporting facts. And said they need to clean house. Or is unpleasant truth bashing?

    the leadership does need to explain why they picked traficant to speak, i agree there…poor choice.


  172. 172 | April 20, 2010 1:33 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I used to talk with her a lot on the LNDT over at the swamp back when it was still fun. I was wondering what happened to her when she dropped out of sight on FB. I hope that she pulls through. From the sounds of things though it doesn’t sound hopeful.


  173. 173 | April 20, 2010 1:34 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Nah only Me, You and a few others get mad at Catholic bashing. It’s OK to bash Catholics in American society.


  174. NoThreat2U
    174 | April 20, 2010 1:34 pm

    @ fultonchain:
    In failed nations throughout the world tribal warfare and Muslim on Muslim violence is endemic.

    ——

    And why the hell would we want to import that here? You are either incredibly naive or you are just full of shit. No where does it state that we HAVE to take anyone in. That’s like saying monkeys should live freely amongst humans because they share so much DNA. Utopia isn’t real.

    You would deny human beings a safe haven in a country founded on principles of equality and fair play?

    ——

    Fair play is unknown to them. They come here and demand footbaths, no dogs in taxis, no bars to sell booze near their mosques. Oh yeah, they just want to be part of the fabric of America? /NOT.


  175. 175 | April 20, 2010 1:34 pm

    @ bar:

    Israel today is paying for her own mistakes, and they can most succinctly be summarized as naive liberalism in regards to foreign policy. The pioneers who built Israel were an amazing mix of domestic socialism (for the most part) and staunch conservatism when it came to foreign affairs and defense. They deeply loved their brothers & sisters and ferociously hated the enemy. They knew they what happens to the Jew when he does not form his own destiny, and the result of relying on the World for Jewish security.

    Today however the country is liberal domestically, and liberal externally. They are spoiled by their success, and because of the liberalism (and lack of Religion) exhausted from the struggle. The holocaust is a history lesson, and because they live in an environment where even their cab driver, and gardener are Jewish the real antisemitism of the rest of the world is unrelatable. Sadly (and this applies to Diaspora Jews as well), for numerous generations who don’t know a world without a Jewish State, the true wonder of a Jewish State is taken for completely for granted. Those in Israel today don’t bat an eye at the fact that they live on Jabotinsky street, or that their best friends home is on King David Boulevard because for them, it has always been; they can’t conceptualize the amazement and glory of this reality.

    The dream realized which is Israel, is just home for them. It is where they go to school, where they work, where they struggle for love, argue with their parents, etc. As it has been said before, the worst thing ever invented by the Jewish State is the Israeli – as a separate identity from being Jewish.


  176. coldwarrior
    176 | April 20, 2010 1:35 pm

    vapig wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    it would be nice if people were this outraged when Catholics are bashed.
    Or Christians in general.

    a good start.


  177. 177 | April 20, 2010 1:35 pm

    bar wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    Have you seen this?
    Arizona House OKs Birther Bill
    The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state’s ballot when he runs for re-election.
    The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote.

    bwaaaaaah! my state is a birther! lol

    no, i had not seen that! but, before anyone calls me a birther, i see no problem with the president needing to show he was born here for his job when i had to prove my citizenship for my job. it’s the rule for me and the law for him.


  178. NoThreat2U
    178 | April 20, 2010 1:35 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:
    No it doesn’t sound good at all. May she find peace and eternal rest.


  179. 179 | April 20, 2010 1:36 pm

    @ vapig:

    Oh yeah its funny no one gets mad when Cristians, Catholics, Baptists or Evangelicals are attacked.


  180. 180 | April 20, 2010 1:36 pm

    Hey New thread up guys!


  181. snowcrash
    181 | April 20, 2010 1:38 pm

    I remember LeePro. She was from Memphis, maybe. Anyway, she spent a lot of time trying to show me how to type sub and superscript. She was very patient for a person who didn’t suffer fools very well. LOL. I remember her fondly and will remember her in my prayers for a painless passing.


  182. chickadee
    182 | April 20, 2010 1:39 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    **OT**

    Any of you guys remember LeePro from LGF? Well, if you do, the end is near for her. Please pray for her family. She is a nice lady.

    I am sad to hear this. LeePro is really sweet. Prayers for her and her family.


  183. NoThreat2U
    183 | April 20, 2010 1:40 pm

    @ snowcrash:
    That sounded so sweet. *tear*


  184. 184 | April 20, 2010 1:42 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    You are confusing a poem with the Constitution.

    And since CAIR founders and leaders have said their goal is sharia in the US, yep send them packing, we have a basis for our govenment already. Same with CPUSA/LaRaza/all other groups that want to replace the US Constitution with something else.

    Shacka!


  185. vapig
    185 | April 20, 2010 1:42 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    Hogwash! Islam is not an ethnicity – it’s a totalitarian political movement and Thomas Jefferson himself discovered that islam would never mix with democracy. They already have a foothold in Michigan – do we give them their own state? I’d vaporize it before I’d give it to them. They are a disease and there is no such thing as a moderate muzzie.

    For that matter, the founding of Liberia wasn’t to ethnically cleanse the US – it was to rectify a historic wrong of bringing them here in the first place. The US is not always right but it nevr sets out to do wrong.


  186. bar
    186 | April 20, 2010 1:43 pm

    @ Kirly:
    Why you are just a bitter P226 / Bible clinging AGW denying TeaParty racist living in a ‘birther’ state.

    My kind of people…


  187. 187 | April 20, 2010 1:45 pm

    Way to go Obama; Syria Clenches Fist; Sends Scuds To Hiz’b'allah

    Thank you Bush, Condi, and Sharon: Hamas Vows To Kidnap More Israelis

    Some More Brilliant Results Of The 2005 Expulsion: Hamas Now Al-Qaeda in Gaza

    About Those “Loyal” Israeli Arab/MuslimsMuslims Desecrate Synagogue in Israel; Mark With Swastikas


  188. 188 | April 20, 2010 1:46 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    I’m very sorry, but we don’t do the ethnic cleansing thing in this country.

    Sorry dude it’s not Ethnic cleansing. Islam is an Imperialist based Political movement based on Global domination. Read the history of Islam then come talk to me.


  189. 189 | April 20, 2010 1:46 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    Agree with you 100%


  190. 190 | April 20, 2010 1:46 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    Although I agree with FultonChain that removing all Muslims from the United States would be inappropriate, you are correct when you state that he/she is giving too much authority to a poem.


  191. fultonchain
    191 | April 20, 2010 1:47 pm

    BenZacharia wrote:

    And since CAIR founders and leaders have said their goal is sharia in the US, yep send them packing, we have a basis for our govenment already.

    So, on this basis, I can assume that Obama speaks for you?


  192. fultonchain
    192 | April 20, 2010 1:48 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    Although I agree with FultonChain that removing all Muslims from the United States would be inappropriate, you are correct when you state that he/she is giving too much authority to a poem.

    The Constitution and Declaration of Independence are pretty big on the human rights thing too.


  193. 193 | April 20, 2010 1:48 pm

    Bash
    To engage in harsh, accusatory, threatening criticism.

    RE: Catholics

    I have obviously missed those threads.


  194. bar
    194 | April 20, 2010 1:49 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Good points.


  195. 195 | April 20, 2010 1:49 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    I agree with you, and have often disagreed with Rodan on this issue.


  196. 196 | April 20, 2010 1:50 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Although I agree with FultonChain that removing all Muslims from the United States would be inappropriate,

    Yeah but you are for deporting them from Israel. You can’t have it both ways. As an America I want my nation to be free, just like you wnat your homeland to be free.


  197. buzzsawmonkey
    197 | April 20, 2010 1:50 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    The Constitution and Declaration of Independence are pretty big on the human rights thing too.

    No, they’re not.

    First, the Declaration of Independence does not have any force of law whatever.

    Second, the Constitution is entirely silent on “human rights.” It defines limited government powers and civil rights against the government to preserve liberty, which is a concept entirely antithetical to “human rights.”


  198. 198 | April 20, 2010 1:51 pm

    @ bar:

    Its just my take, and thank you.

    This is interesting as well – Are We Still an Ally of Israel? Who Knows? [Victor Davis Hanson]


  199. 199 | April 20, 2010 1:51 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Yeah but Israel can do it and you would cheer. That’s hypocrisy.


  200. buzzsawmonkey
    200 | April 20, 2010 1:52 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    I agree with you, and have often disagreed with Rodan on this issue.

    See #196.


  201. vapig
    201 | April 20, 2010 1:52 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    WrathofG-d wrote:
    Although I agree with FultonChain that removing all Muslims from the United States would be inappropriate, you are correct when you state that he/she is giving too much authority to a poem.
    The Constitution and Declaration of Independence are pretty big on the human rights thing too.

    Which only is to be applied to Americans. Ship the garbage out!

    As for Obama speaking for me? When did Bush speak for you?

    Also, Obama has let it be known that he has absolutely no use for the Constitution. Full of them negative rights, you know.


  202. 202 | April 20, 2010 1:52 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    The Constitution and Declaration of Independence are pretty big on the human rights thing too.

    That would be G-d given rights, the only king their are.


  203. snork
    203 | April 20, 2010 1:52 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Don’t forget one other thing. It’s pretty hard to build a capitalistic infrastructure when the settlement of Palestine was organized around self-sufficient forts of a few hundred people each. A quasi-socialistic economic structure was their only practical choice in the beginning.

    Eventually, as cities started to grow, capitalism displaces socialism. Nowadays the kibbutzim and even the moshavim can’t compete with the corporate farms.

    The economic evolution in Israel shows that Marx had it completely backward: socialism doesn’t evolve from capitalism, capitalism evolves from socialism.


  204. 204 | April 20, 2010 1:54 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Interesting and good call!


  205. 205 | April 20, 2010 1:55 pm

    Wrath…

    Read agian. Only those that want to replace the Dec. of Ind and US Const.


  206. The Osprey
    206 | April 20, 2010 1:55 pm

    Well good on the AZ legislature. I know there are a number of other states with similar laws in the works. We need to close this loophole in the Constitution…if enough states pass such legislation then Teh Won will either have to lay his cards on the table or pull an LBJ and step down from his party’s nomination in 2012.


  207. 207 | April 20, 2010 1:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Yeah but you are for deporting them from Israel. You can’t have it both ways. As an America I want my nation to be free, just like you wnat your homeland to be free.

    We have had this discussion before and don’t agree. At this point, I do not believe that the United States is in the predicament that Israel is. You then say that the U.S. should have the right to keep that from happening here, and I say that that is a scary slippery slope which although I believe has some credence I cannot yet sign on to.


  208. buzzsawmonkey
    208 | April 20, 2010 1:57 pm

    snork wrote:

    The economic evolution in Israel shows that Marx had it completely backward: socialism doesn’t evolve from capitalism, capitalism evolves from socialism.

    Backwards evolution? What would Niwrad say?


  209. 209 | April 20, 2010 1:58 pm

    Fulton…

    Obummer speak for me? Why would you think that? The DoI and US Constitution speak for me. Obummer is opposed to both.


  210. snork
    210 | April 20, 2010 1:59 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Niwrad would probably agree. It’s Xram who would argue.


  211. 211 | April 20, 2010 2:00 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Right because America has to put with the Islamic crap and Israel doesn’t. That’s BS and I want to preserve my country. You want to support the Islamic colonization of America, well the American people are going against it.

    If you side with the Muzzies against us, you will be an enabler of their agression no different than the Leftists who support agression against Israel.


  212. vapig
    212 | April 20, 2010 2:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Although I agree with FultonChain that removing all Muslims from the United States would be inappropriate,
    Yeah but you are for deporting them from Israel. You can’t have it both ways. As an America I want my nation to be free, just like you wnat your homeland to be free.

    YES!!! And we’re talking a whole lot less people than should be removed from Israel!


  213. 213 | April 20, 2010 2:01 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Your explanation (as usual) is right. I was really just responding to the fact that I agree that the U.S. should not be exporting all Muslims because they are Muslims. I’m just not done with that.

    I overlooked the claims of “human rights” etc.


  214. 214 | April 20, 2010 2:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    You want to support the Islamic colonization of America, well the American people are going against it.

    If you side with the Muzzies against us, you will be an enabler of their agression no different than the Leftists who support agression against Israel.

    That is ridiculous.


  215. 215 | April 20, 2010 2:03 pm

    @ vapig:

    Warth is no different than these Leftists who support atatcks on israel.


  216. 216 | April 20, 2010 2:05 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    It’s the truth. You are a hard core Kahanists when it comes to Israel. Yet when Americans like me feel the same way about our country you side with the Muzzies.


  217. snork
    217 | April 20, 2010 2:08 pm

    Let’s compromise. Don’t expel them. Send them to Vermont. Let them and the hippies grate on each other in perpetuity.


  218. 218 | April 20, 2010 2:13 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I don’t believe that my explanation will satisfy you, but I’ll try. I do not believe that the situation in the United States is anywhere close to that is Israel today. G-d willing they will never be. At this point in America I believe that other less draconian measures can be taken to ensure the security of the United States from the threat that you rightfully acknowledge. These steps would be no different than those applied to all individuals regardless of race, religion, creed, or national origin – enforcement of our already existing laws to militant Islamists.

    When there is a standing muslim army within the United States who is actively committing attacks against the United States, openly calls for her complete distruction, and refuses to accept her right to even exist despite over 60+ years of numerous attempts at less draconian solutions than transfer, I will sign up right along your name for the transfer idea.

    Until then however…


  219. bar
    219 | April 20, 2010 2:13 pm

    On deporting Muslim out of America.

    What country do you deport Americans to? Do you just pick any Muslim country based on what they look like and what do you do when they are white Muslim converts? And how do you skirt the fact that they have broken no laws and thus there is no due-process?

    In order to deport them, we will have to burn that constitution first and all of its protections we enjoy now. You cant have it both ways!


  220. huckfunn
    220 | April 20, 2010 2:14 pm

    snork wrote:

    Let’s compromise. Don’t expel them. Send them to Vermont. Let them and the hippies grate on each other in perpetuity.

    H.L. Hunt once had an idea about different group of people. He said he would put up half the money to send them half of them all the way back, or all of the money to send all them half the way back.


  221. huckfunn
    221 | April 20, 2010 2:17 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    H.L. Hunt once had an idea about a different group of people. He said he would put up half the money to send them half of them all the way back, or all of the money to send all them half the way back.

    PIMF!


  222. coldwarrior
    222 | April 20, 2010 2:18 pm

    bar wrote:

    In order to deport them, we will have to burn that constitution first and all of its protections we enjoy now. You cant have it both ways!

    hmmm…unless it is proven that these peeps are attempting to usurp the constitution and replace it with sharia or whatever…


  223. 223 | April 20, 2010 2:19 pm

    @ bar:

    Read the history os Islam. It’s an Imperialist movement based on domination. As soon as they hit 5% they make demands and start acting up. As for American converts to =Islam, they can move to Saudi Arabia. That’s their spiritual homeland.

    And how do you skirt the fact that they have broken no laws and thus there is no due-process?

    When one is Muslim your loyalty is to Dar AL Islam and ALlah. Your Islamic identity supercedes your national identity.

    Look what’s happening in Europe and then come talk to me on how wonderful Islamic Immigartion is.

    Would you agree to a freeze to islamic Immigration at least?


  224. 224 | April 20, 2010 2:21 pm

    @ bar:

    The US Constitution is the basis of a government whose sole role is to safeguard G-d given rights, see Declaration.

    Now, what right G-d given right would the government be violating by disenfranchising and stripping citizenship from those that want to strip us of our G-d given rights?


  225. 225 | April 20, 2010 2:22 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Have you looked at Europe? The Muzzies Immigrants are super disloyal. Do you think it would be difefrent here? Seriosuly have you not read their history.

    You have the mentality of a Leftist on this issue.

    Israel can do what it wants but not America. Its obvious which country you care about more.


  226. 226 | April 20, 2010 2:24 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    Now, what right G-d given right would the government be violating by disenfranchising and stripping citizenship from those that want to strip us of our G-d given rights?

    I couldn’t have said it better myself! You get it, these peopel are here to colonize and impose their Totalitarian Ideology on us. They hate us and its sad so many Americans even so called Conservatives are naive about this Movement called Islam.


  227. bar
    227 | April 20, 2010 2:26 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Now that scenario would not be illegal and it would involve due-process.

    Whereas calling for the deportation of American citizens that happen to be Muslim but have committed no crime other than being an American citizen that is also Muslim, is illegal.
    Thus the reason we must destroy the constitution before we can do that.

    @ coldwarrior:
    Correct. They have to break the law first and what you suggest would be illegal.


  228. 228 | April 20, 2010 2:29 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Now you accuse me of both being a leftist (“on this issue”) and disloyalty to the United States?

    Because we have some history, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest that you take a deep breath.

    I have looked at Europe and it is possible that it could be exactly the same here. However, we are not there yet, and as I stated above numerous less draconian measures can be taken now which would ensure we do not become Europe and thus transfer would not be necessary. Europe’s major problem is that they have allowed the most extreme elements of Islam to run rampant for decades, granted special treatment to it, and still refuses to appropriately respond to the behavior.

    Their problem is not that they have Muslims, but that they allow the Muslims to break what was once the specific laws of each European country without responding to it by law. (ie: their calling for Shari’a not met with a charge of treason, or their acts of violence not met with a criminal charge etc.)

    But probably most importantly, I do not paint each muslim in the world with the same broad brush, and thus do not sign on to your wild shotgun approach to killing flys. I know there is a problem, and support responding to it appropriately – albeit differently than you suggest.

    If you can see that as nothing but disloyal Liberalism, then fine we will have to again be thankful that the other isn’t actually making these decisions.


  229. kansas
    229 | April 20, 2010 2:30 pm

    Why would Israel want to hear anything from Obama?


  230. coldwarrior
    230 | April 20, 2010 2:33 pm

    bar wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Correct. They have to break the law first and what you suggest would be illegal.

    dunno, havent thought about it…i’m not a lawyer or prosecutor. it is an interesting question tho.


  231. 231 | April 20, 2010 2:45 pm

    Beware The Bed Our President Is Making Us Lay In

    Obama, Israel and the Genesis Prediction by Dennis Prager


  232. 232 | April 20, 2010 2:50 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Now you accuse me of both being a leftist (“on this issue”)

    Yes absolutely because you have attacked others on this blog who disagree with your Kahanist views about deporting Arabs from Israel. You accuse Nevergiveup of having a Leftist view on israel. Well when it comes to America you have the same view as they do with Israel.

    disloyalty to the United States?

    Did I say that? Nope I just said you care more about Israel than America, hence your hardline Israeli views and your Leftist Americansone. That’s not disloyalty, that where your priorities are. Irony is I support whatever actions Israel would take to preserve herself, but you wouldn’t for America. That’s a double standard.

    Because we have some history, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt

    Benefit of what doubt?

    I have looked at Europe and it is possible that it could be exactly the same here. However, we are not there yet

    I will ask this again, have you read the history of Islam? If not go read it and get back to me. I don’t want to even get close to the European situation. The Europeans should of NEVER let them in.

    Their problem is not that they have Muslims,

    Nope that is the problem, Islam is incompatible with the west. Again have you read the history of Islamic agression?

    But probably most importantly, I do not paint each muslim in the world with the same broad brush, and thus do not sign on to your wild shotgun approach to killing flys. I know there is a problem, and support responding to it appropriately – albeit differently than you suggest.

    Yeah a society that calls for Global conquest and the enslavement/extermination of Jews, Christians, Hindus and others plus has a track record of implementing it’s ideas should NOT be given Benefit of the doubt. Go to any Islamic website or chatroom and they openly admit what btheir goal is.

    You are in denial about Islam as many were in denial about Nazism and Communism.

    I say start with a Freeze on islamic Immigration and let them know they are not welcome is a good way to start.


  233. bar
    233 | April 20, 2010 2:53 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    The key there being “those that want to strip us of our G-d given rights” and something that could be proven in a court of law. Then and only then can your rights be taken-away, it’s the American way.

    Not what Rodan is doing by saying every last Muslim on earth are all identical in ideology and actions and thus because those over there did x,y and z, then these over here must pay for it.

    Its painting with a broad brush, which we don’t accept when its done to Catholics or the Tea Parties or Jews or Republicans. I guess Muslims don’t count.


  234. coldwarrior
    234 | April 20, 2010 3:09 pm

    bar wrote:

    Its painting with a broad brush, which we don’t accept when its done to Catholics or the Tea Parties or Jews or Republicans. I guess Muslims don’t count.

    treat the muzz as they would treat you.


  235. bar
    235 | April 20, 2010 3:13 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Read the history os Islam.

    I have and I don’t think you want to play that broad brush game.
    Should we convict current day Catholics or Jews or Protestants any other religious sects based upon past history? We can find some not so nice moments in any ones past. You would be one of the first ones to object when Catholics get painted with a broad brush, yet you still play that game with others.

    And the argument can be made that Christians are loyal to God not the US constitution when the two happen to disagree. So real Christians are in the same boat so to speak as Muslims are.

    You really don’t understand the implications of what you suggest. Because what you suggest requires the constitution to be destroyed. Equal protection is out the door, you want to convict people based upon not what they themselves have done, but what you perceive they maybe capable of doing and strip them of their rights just based upon that. Sounds very Democrat to me, wouldn’t they just love to use that premise to get all Christians and anyone else who doesnt tow their ideology kicked out of the country?


  236. 236 | April 20, 2010 3:15 pm

    @ bar:

    Its painting with a broad brush, which we don’t accept when its done to Catholics or the Tea Parties or Jews or Republicans. I guess Muslims don’t count.

    Their history justifies my view. You want to deny Islamic agression go ahead. It’s reality and ask yourself, why wherever Islam borders a Non Islamic nation of culture there is conflict.

    I’m a realist about islam and don’t entertain the idea they think like us. They don’t, they want to conquer and rule.

    Understand this, they HATE you.


  237. 237 | April 20, 2010 3:21 pm

    @ bar:

    And the argument can be made that Christians are loyal to God not the US constitution when the two happen to disagree. So real Christians are in the same boat so to speak as Muslims are.

    Wrong! Render which is to Ceasar which is Ceasar’s. Render unto God, that which is God’s. Right there Jesus commands Christians to be loyal to their nation state and governmnet. In Islam no clause exists and loyalty to the Ummah supercedes all.

    You really don’t understand the implications of what you suggest. Because what you suggest requires the constitution to be destroyed. Equal protection is out the door, you want to convict people based upon not what they themselves have done, but what you perceive they maybe capable of doing and strip them of their rights just based upon that. Sounds very Democrat to me, wouldn’t they just love to use that premise to get all Christians and anyone else who doesnt tow their ideology kicked out of the country?

    Its the Democrats who hold the Islam is no different than other religions attitude you do. The fact is I want to preserve my country and it’s traditions. islam is not compatible because it is like Nazism and Communism a Supremacist movement. Take a look at Europe and tell me how Islamic Immigration is working out for them?

    The Constitution isn’t a suicide pact and Islam is against that document.

    Question: Whould you support a Freeze On Islamic Immigration and the truth of Islamic genocide taugh in schools?


  238. 238 | April 20, 2010 3:57 pm

    @ bar:

    The key there being “those that want to strip us of our G-d given rights” and something that could be proven in a court of law.

    Just ask them which is the higher Law, Bible (the basis for the Declaration and the Constitution) or Koran/sharia.


  239. 239 | April 20, 2010 4:01 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Wrong! Render which is to Ceasar which is Ceasar’s. Render unto God, that which is God’s. Right there Jesus commands Christians to be loyal to their nation state and governmnet.

    No he doesn’t, the question was taxes, Rome was collecting taxes, 10% I might add, and providing services. Pay for services rendered. Yeah they were occupiers.


  240. Overlook
    240 | April 20, 2010 4:35 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    How about cultural cleansing? Muslims are not an ethnicity. But many have a culture which tells them to not to “breathe free”. They do not assimilate with to our laws. They wish to impose Shariah. Their Imams tell them not to befriend the Kufar. They genitally mutilate their daughters and then kill them for not dressing modestly and for dating non-Muslims. There are some thousands of these Muslims. Would you be against exile for them? Or just imprison them here?


  241. 241 | April 20, 2010 4:42 pm

    @ Overlook:

    Your and Rodan’s problem on this issue is defining the “they”. Rodan means every single muslim, and honestly that is moronic. You seem however to differentiate regarding the actions of particular muslims. (or at least I hope).

    Bar is correct that to throw every Muslim out of the United States simply because they are muslim (regardless of their practice, or action) is very plainly un-American! (and downright frightening)


  242. bar
    242 | April 20, 2010 4:58 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Nowhere did I deny Islamic aggression.

    The context in which we are speaking is individual Muslims here in the US that have committed no crime being deported. This includes all American citizens that are Muslim. The pretext for their deportation is because they have committed a thought crime. It’s a thought crime because on an individual case by case basis until they actually act upon what you claim they will act upon ( commit a crime ), you cant prove it, no matter how much history you cite.

    Our constitution actually protects Americans and anyone else on our soil from that very thing happening. Its kinda the very reason it was written and this country created.

    This is not really about Islam, it is about our laws and whether they apply equally to all Americans or we go against the reason this country was created and find a reason to shitcan the whole thing. In which case they would be the winners, they would cause us to change the very way we have done business for a few hundred years now.

    The scary part is Americans so willing to shitcan our very foundation because of some perceived threat.


  243. 243 | April 20, 2010 5:09 pm

    bar wrote:

    This is not really about Islam, it is about our laws and whether they apply equally to all Americans or we go against the reason this country was created and find a reason to shitcan the whole thing. In which case they would be the winners, they would cause us to change the very way we have done business for a few hundred years now.

    The scary part is Americans so willing to shitcan our very foundation because of some perceived threat.

    If there were an upding function here…! Like I stated above; “frightening”


  244. bar
    244 | April 20, 2010 5:09 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    They would answer the Qur’an. If they didnt they would be idiots, but so what, I ask?

    You know what, they have a right to introduce bills that would make Sharia law the law of our land. Of course it couldn’t happen (become law) because it goes against our constitutional, in other words its unconstitutional. But they still have a right to do it and think whatever they want. If they don’t have that right, then we also don’t have that right.


  245. 245 | April 20, 2010 5:10 pm

    bar wrote:

    If they don’t have that right, then we also don’t have that right.

    Again, “ding, ding, ding”!


  246. bar
    246 | April 20, 2010 5:25 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Wrong! Render which is to Ceasar which is Ceasar’s. Render unto God, that which is God’s. Right there Jesus commands Christians to be loyal to their nation state and governmnet. In Islam no clause exists and loyalty to the Ummah supercedes all.

    Perhaps you are not familiar with the Old Testament book of Daniel, I am pretty sure it makes it crystal clear on when not obey the government even if that means death. Of course many other Old Testament books also has this same idea, the story of Joseph is another good example.

    Jesus also commands us to “lover our neighbor as our self”, that includes Muslims, cause God created them also. And He also commanded us to love our enemies, now don’t get me wrong, he wasnt suggesting we don’t or cant fight and we must be some passive do nothings.

    I know you are aware that Muslims are allowed to lie to save their own ass. So when it comes time for the witch hunt, don’t be surprised when you cant find any.


  247. mtc
    247 | April 20, 2010 7:48 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    I agree.Everyone should stop bashing the Catholic Church.


  248. waldensianspirit
    248 | April 20, 2010 7:53 pm

    Romans 13


  249. 249 | April 20, 2010 7:56 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Romans 13

    Interesting. So how does that work for a Christian under Islamic or Atheist control?


  250. waldensianspirit
    250 | April 20, 2010 8:13 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    It is a very difficult thing. In America or a democracy I can participate because the system encourages citizens to use free speech.

    Notice this was about civil authorities and is about separation of church and state but still being good citizens.

    In the case of dictators we have examples such as the wise men who returned without doing Herod’s bidding.

    islamic law is a horror I cannot fathom how Christians in those areas live under it. There are verses that call islam an abomination and their imams deceivers and we know we aren’t to listen and obey them because to do so is to renounce Christ.

    More careful study of Romans 13 and the Greek translation is needed before I could fully understand this passage.


  251. bar
    251 | April 20, 2010 10:17 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    I agree with that.

    Quoting myself

    And the argument can be made that Christians are loyal to God not the US constitution when the two happen to disagree.

    In the book of Daniel, Daniel also known as Belteshazzar with his friends Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. They were given a portion of the kings food to eat ( a special deal) who can tell the king ( authority ) no and live to tell about it? Daniel refused to eat the kings food sacrificed to idols. This put the head of Ashpenaz (Daniels boss) on the chopping block if Daniel and company didnt look healthy for the king. Daniel requested from Ashpenaz 10 days of eating Daniels diet and if they don’t look better than the people who eat the kings food then Ashpenaz can deal with them. Daniel came out on top.

    This is a direct refusal of authority and a pretty minor one we would consider today. Yet it was life or death, king Cyrus didnt play games.

    Later on under king Nebuchadnezzar who declared that everyone must worship him as god when they hear a certain musical sound. Daniels friends refused got thrown into the fire and didnt die.

    In another part of the Old Testament Joseph when speaking to the Pharaoh also refused to bow to him and became second in command.


  252. iam7545
    252 | April 21, 2010 11:36 am

    Great Post Holger! Here is some news – There will be a BIG Anti Obama Rally at the Israeli Embassy in NYC on Sunday


    Anti Obama Rally


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