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The Growing Threat

by snork ( 191 Comments › )
Filed under Hate Speech, Media at April 22nd, 2010 - 9:00 pm

Byron York has this piece about the counterproductive urge on the left to characterize the Tea Parties as extreme, racist, and violent. After turning a few rocks over he seems to find the motherlode under the Southern Poverty Law Center.

In 1989, the SPLC warned of the growing threat of skinheads, saying, “Not since the height of Klan activity during the civil rights era has there been a white supremacist group so obsessed with violence. …”

In 1992, the SPLC warned of the growing threat of other white supremacist groups, which it claimed had grown by 27 percent from the year before.

In 1995, the SPLC warned of the growing threat of right-wing militias.

In 1998, the SPLC warned of the growing threat of Internet-based hate groups, which according to one press account had “created the biggest surge in hate in America in years.”

In 1999, the SPLC warned that the growing threat of Web-based hate groups was growing even more, with a 60 percent increase from the year before.

In 2002, the SPLC warned of the growing threat of post-Sept. 11 hate groups, which it said had grown 12 percent between 2000 and 2001.

In 2004, the SPLC warned (again) of the growing threat of skinhead groups, whose numbers it said had doubled in the previous year.

In 2008, the SPLC warned of the growing threat of hate groups overall, whose number it said increased 48 percent since 2000.

And in 2010, just a few weeks ago, the SPLC warned of the growing threat of “patriot” groups, which it said increased by 244 percent in 2009.

Man, that’s what I call growth. With numbers like that, 387% of every American man, woman, and child, white, black, yellow, red, and other, gay, and straight are violent white supremacists.

With them as a “credible source”, it’s no wonder the left is wetting their pants at all the white supremacists hiding in the McDonald’s bathroom, and neighbor’s dog house.

But it’s not just one org pumping out implausible statistics; it’s a complete self-reinforcing system of paranoia. Which brings me back to last summer, after the left-wing mensa kook shot the guard at the Holocaust museum. At the time, Jesse Walker wrote a piece at Reason Magazine on the reaction to that, long before the libel against the Tea Parties got its socks on:

Who killed Stephen Tyrone Johns, the guard gunned down at the Holocaust museum in Washington, D.C., last week? If you only read the news pages, the culprit should be clear: the 88-year-old Nazi James W. von Brunn. But in the opinion section, the answer looks cloudier. For some pundits, blame rests not just with the killer but with a host of angry voices on the radio, the television, and the Internet.

I think you all remember. According to the media, the guy was not only a typical white supremacist, but he was the tip of an iceberg. Remember?

Bonnie Erbe of U.S. News and World Report indicts the “promoters of hate” for the shooting, adding, “If yesterday’s Holocaust Museum slaying of security guard and national hero Stephen Tyrone Johns is not a clarion call for banning hate speech, I don’t know what is.” In The New York Times, columnist Paul Krugman warns that “right-wing extremism is being systematically fed by the conservative media and political establishment.” His colleague Frank Rich has written a piece that begins with the museum shooting but rapidly becomes an argument that “homicide-saturated vituperation is endemic among mini-Limbaughs.” After the museum murder, Rich writes, Glenn Beck “rushed onto Fox News to describe the Obama-hating killer as a ‘lone gunman nutjob.’ Yet in the same show Beck also said von Brunn was a symptom that ‘the pot in America is boiling,’ as if Beck himself were not the boiling pot cheering the kettle on.”

Beck. Boiling pot. Heh.

Less than a month before the museum murder, an assassin shot the Kansas abortionist George Tiller, prompting a similar set of complaints. For the record, I don’t think Tiller’s critics in the media and the pro-life movement should be blamed for that crime. Speakers are not morally responsible for all the ways their words can be received. But in that case, at least, there was a coherent connection between the rhetoric and the killer’s target. Say what you will about Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, or Michael Savage, but I don’t remember any of them railing against the Holocaust museum. If Beck, to borrow Rich’s mixed metaphor, is cheering on a kettle, it isn’t the kettle that produced von Brunn.

Which brings us to the nub:

We’ve heard a lot of warnings about extremist paranoia in the months since Barack Obama became president. We’ve heard much less about the paranoia of the centrists; indeed, the very idea that the sober center could be paranoid sounds bizarre. But when mainstream columnists treat a small group of unconnected crimes as a “pattern” of “rising right-wing violence,” their thesis bears more than a little resemblance to the conspiracy theories of the fringe figures they oppose. In both cases, the stories being told reflect the anxieties of the people discerning the patterns much more than any order actually emerging in the outside world.

This is an interesting and highly counterintuitive thesis. He’s suggesting that the “center” has become so paranoid, that they’ve manufactured a threat, and the threat then becomes the driving force behind a witchhunt.

This certainly isn’t without precedent. The Salem witchhunters weren’t radicals; they were the pillars of their community. But hunt witches, unfairly and irrationally, they most certainly did.

I’d reframe this a little. I’m not so convinced that there is a such thing as a “center”, as Walker claims; I think what he’s referring to is the elite. The “center” if you will, of the political/media establishment. But the point remains. The “respectable” establismentarian position can take on a tinge of paranoia.

The classic account of American conspiratology is Richard Hofstadter’s 1964 essay “The Paranoid Style in American Politics.” It’s a flawed, uneven article, but it includes several perceptive passages. The most astute section might be this:

It is hard to resist the conclusion that this enemy is on many counts the projection of the self; both the ideal and the unacceptable aspects of the self are attributed to him. The enemy may be the cosmopolitan intellectual, but the paranoid will outdo him in the apparatus of scholarship, even of pedantry. Secret organizations set up to combat secret organizations give the same flattery. The Ku Klux Klan imitated Catholicism to the point of donning priestly vestments, developing an elaborate ritual and an equally elaborate hierarchy. The John Birch Society emulates Communist cells and quasi-secret operation through “front” groups, and preaches a ruthless prosecution of the ideological war along lines very similar to those it finds in the Communist enemy.

Hofstadter doesn’t acknowledge it, but the argument could be applied to a lot of his audience as well. His article begins with a reference to “extreme right-wingers,” a lede that reflected the times: As he was writing, America was undergoing a wave of alarm about the radical right. This had been building throughout the Kennedy years and had intensified after the president’s assassination, which many people either blamed directly on the far right or attributed to an atmosphere of fear and division that they traced to the right’s rhetoric. By the time Hofstadter’s article appeared, the projection he described was in full effect not merely on the fringes but in the political center. Just as anti-Communists had mimicked the Communists, anti-anti-Communists were emulating the red-hunters.

History does seem to have a way of repeating itself, doesn’t it?

In 1961, for example, Walter and Victor Reuther of the United Auto Workers and the liberal attorney Joseph Rauh wrote a 24-page memo urging the attorney general to deploy the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Internal Revenue Service, and the Federal Communications Commission in “the struggle against the radical right.” By this they meant not just the Birchers and the Christian Crusade but Goldwater and the libertarian Volker Fund.

Goldwater???

In Before the Storm, his history of the Goldwater movement, the independent historian Rick Perlstein describes Group Research Incorporated, a UAW-funded operation, as “the mirror image of the political intelligence businesses that monitored left-wingers in the 1950s, identifying fellow-travelling organizations by counting the number of members and officers shared with purported Communist Party fronts. Group Research did the same thing, substituting the John Birch Society for the reds.

The implications of this for the present are clear: the allegations of radicalism coming from the left and the establishment organs toward the tea parties are a reflection of the left-wing radicalism among those who have actually seized power.

Walker then goes on to make the case that the militias, then and now, are also generally being tarred as far more radical than they really are. The whole thing is worth a read.

Aryan Nations leader Richard Butler complained to New York Post reporter Jonathan Karl in The Right to Bear Arms, Karl’s balanced assessment of the militia phenomenon. “They’re actually traitors to the white race; they seek to integrate with blacks, Jews, and others.” It’s true that some racists and anti-Semites popped up in militia circles. Some blacks, Hispanics, and Jews showed up as well. The driving force behind the movement was fear of the government, not fear of foreign races and religions.

The militias may be a little nuts, but so are the people running this country. The difference is the militias aren’t dangerous, because they’re not in power.

See also: Timothy McVeigh Was No Libertarian: The Fallacy of Conflating Two Very Different Types of “Anti-Government” Movements

And speaking of paranoid nuts, hi there, stalkers! How’s Fearless Leader?

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  1. lobo91
    2 | April 22, 2010 9:07 pm

    Where does the SPLC get its money, anyway?

    Grants from MSNBC?

    I get the feeling that most of their “research” involves the use of Google and a few key words.

    There may have been a big increase in anti-government websites or something, but that doesn’t translate into anything in the real world.


  2. savages_girl
    3 | April 22, 2010 9:09 pm

    Howdy folks! Long post! Hey, lobo91 -- new avatar! Who’s that? Very cute.


  3. 4 | April 22, 2010 9:10 pm

    The latest “hate group” report issued by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) demonstrates once again that the SPLC is neither a reliable source of information nor an “objective observer” in the immigration policy debate. The latest report issued by the SLPC is long on rhetoric and allegations and short of facts. Responsible journalists will not accept these SPLC allegations at face value; they will independently investigate any and all claims made by the SPLC.

    Grasping for attention, and no doubt to expand its donor base, the SPLC’s recent report claims that the number of so-called “hate groups” has risen 4 percent since 2008 and over 50 percent since 2000. With great fanfare, they warn their own members and uncritical journalists of a “firestorm” of hate engulfing the land. Yet, the Southern Poverty Law Center offers no concrete information about these so-called “hate groups.” For example, the Southern Poverty Law Center never identifies exactly where they are; or even who are they, what they believe, or how they act. How many members do they have, if any? Do they have money? How can you contact them? Do they really even exist as an operational group?

    Occasionally, unsuspecting journalists swallow the bait hook, line and sinker, conferring on the Southern Poverty Law Center or SPLC some claim to quasi-official status, and that the SPLC designation is entitled to some official respect or recognition. Of course nothing could be further from the truth. The Southern Poverty Law Center made up the term, and has shown time and again that its use of the term “hate group” is merely a strategy to try to discourage and suppress political speech in this country.

    http://www.splcreport.com/


  4. 5 | April 22, 2010 9:11 pm

    @ savages_girl:

    hey babes!


  5. snork
    6 | April 22, 2010 9:12 pm

    @ savage:
    Yyyyyyyup.


  6. vagabond trader
    7 | April 22, 2010 9:13 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Don’t forget wiki,thats a huge research favorite of the race detectives.


  7. vagabond trader
    8 | April 22, 2010 9:13 pm

    @ savages_girl:

    Hi sg!


  8. 9 | April 22, 2010 9:13 pm

    @ snork:

    That link has a lot of good information


  9. Goodbye_Natalie
    10 | April 22, 2010 9:17 pm

    Looks like the SPLC has about the same success rate of accurate prediction as Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman, who “accurately” predicted nine out of the last none recessions under the Bush administration during the period of 2002-2006. Perhaps they should corroborate with Mr. Nobel?

    Shills… :roll:


  10. vagabond trader
    11 | April 22, 2010 9:18 pm

    Haven’t done any research at SPLC. Any “hate groups” on the left? My guess,the ratio is 10:1.


  11. 12 | April 22, 2010 9:19 pm

    Only problem with the article I can see is that for some reason York sees the press as centrist. Anyone who can fool themselves with this kind of idea really needs to reflect.


  12. savages_girl
    13 | April 22, 2010 9:19 pm

    @ savage:
    #5 -- SAVAGE :) ! hi honey!


  13. snork
    14 | April 22, 2010 9:20 pm

    @ savage:
    The SPLC is one of the more trusted NGOs out there, but there are a ton of these left-wing NGOs all quietly chomping away on the rebar of society. A really good site to look the whole damn spider’s web is discover the networks.


  14. lobo91
    15 | April 22, 2010 9:21 pm

    savages_girl wrote:

    Howdy folks! Long post! Hey, lobo91 – new avatar! Who’s that? Very cute.

    That’s Leia, the Wonder Sheltie.

    She actually makes me write that. It’s in her contract.


  15. snork
    16 | April 22, 2010 9:21 pm

    Let’s try that again. Discover the networks.


  16. snork
    17 | April 22, 2010 9:24 pm

    OT -- I found the un-Mata Hari.


  17. savages_girl
    18 | April 22, 2010 9:25 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    #8

    hi sg

    Hi VT! How’s it going?


  18. savages_girl
    20 | April 22, 2010 9:27 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That’s Leia, the Wonder Sheltie.

    She actually makes me write that. It’s in her contract.

    LOL! I believe you!


  19. vagabond trader
    21 | April 22, 2010 9:27 pm

    @ savages_girl:

    Spring has sprung in the northeast! Yaaaaay! :D


  20. 22 | April 22, 2010 9:29 pm

    snork wrote:

    The SPLC is one of the more trusted NGOs out there

    Which is itself possibly the scariest thing about this article. After being spectacularly wrong on this for decades, people still actually take them seriously when, once again, they warn of the wolf in the sheepfold. Where does this credibility (and credulirty) come from? They haven’t been right yet. Why does anyone expect them to be right the next time they whine about non-existant white supremacists coming out of the storm drains to eat people’s brains?


  21. snork
    23 | April 22, 2010 9:29 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Newt. Shut up. You had your 15 minutes, and Clinton stole your lunch money. Just shut up, k?


  22. mjazz
    24 | April 22, 2010 9:30 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Yeah, all those old men and ladies and soccer moms and little girls carrying signs.


  23. RIX
    25 | April 22, 2010 9:31 pm

    snork wrote:

    OT – I found the un-Mata Hari

    .

    CJ has pretty good taste.


  24. snork
    26 | April 22, 2010 9:31 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Why does anyone expect them to be right the next time they whine about non-existant white supremacists coming out of the storm drains to eat people’s brains?

    Don’t you remember the storm drain next to the grassy knoll? Everybody knows about that.


  25. buzzsawmonkey
    27 | April 22, 2010 9:32 pm

    Wolf!
    Wolf!
    Wolf!
    Wolf!


  26. mjazz
    28 | April 22, 2010 9:32 pm

    @ snork:
    At one time the dude actually made sense.


  27. vagabond trader
    29 | April 22, 2010 9:32 pm

    @ snork:
    @ mjazz:

    Waiting for these rinos to use the teabagger word.Out out begone!


  28. orangecrush
    30 | April 22, 2010 9:33 pm

    IS the SPLC a hate group itself?


  29. orangecrush
    31 | April 22, 2010 9:33 pm

    The problem is actually worse. They forgot to include Kilgore Trout as an active racist.


  30. lobo91
    32 | April 22, 2010 9:34 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Wolf!
    Wolf!
    Wolf!
    Wolf!

    Sheltie!
    Sheltie!
    Sheltie!
    Sheltie!


  31. RIX
    33 | April 22, 2010 9:35 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ vagabond trader:
    Yeah, all those old men and ladies and soccer moms and little girls carrying signs.

    Yeah well I went to a Tea Party on the 15th, those grannies on walkers
    looked pretty dangerous to me.


  32. 34 | April 22, 2010 9:36 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    And then they wonder why we aren’t enthusiastically supporting them. Damn, first Michael Steele tells blacks the Republicans offer them nothing, now Newt attacks the Tea Party. Are they trying to destroy the Party? Seriously, time for them all to retire.


  33. buzzsawmonkey
    35 | April 22, 2010 9:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Sheltie!
    Sheltie!
    Sheltie!
    Sheltie!

    “Come in,” she said. “I’ll give you
    Shelties from the storm.”


  34. vagabond trader
    36 | April 22, 2010 9:36 pm

    @ RIX:

    I am ascared of them.


  35. orangecrush
    37 | April 22, 2010 9:37 pm

    I like that observation that in the Bush years dissent was patriotic, in the Obama years dissent is racism. While Obama probably has more threats against him, I think his numbers are overblown and probably used different parameters.

    The GoP rolls over too much politely for the left. AKA John McCain types. great guy but not assertive enough.


  36. chickadee
    38 | April 22, 2010 9:37 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ snork:
    At one time the dude actually made sense.

    He lost his balls somewhere.
    Maybe his current wife doesn’t like him being a conservative.


  37. mjazz
    39 | April 22, 2010 9:38 pm

    Earth Day: An Assault On Man
    Someone was just talking about this a few threads back.
    Earth Day is the same as… Lenin’s birthday!
    How diabolical can you get?


  38. buzzsawmonkey
    40 | April 22, 2010 9:39 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    Maybe his current wife doesn’t like him being a conservative.

    It’s that damn fruit and water diet.


  39. vagabond trader
    41 | April 22, 2010 9:39 pm

    @ orangecrush:

    Funny,haven’t seen any movies simulating the assassination of Obowma.


  40. snowcrash
    42 | April 22, 2010 9:39 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Me too. They are much more frightening than say Islamic groups, that threaten the South Park creators with a death like Theo VanGogh. Yep tea partiers are the ones to fear. lol


  41. RIX
    43 | April 22, 2010 9:39 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I am ascared of them.

    Yeah , can’t trust them. Heck, they actually go to bingo!


  42. mjazz
    44 | April 22, 2010 9:41 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Did you see Psycho as a kid?


  43. buzzsawmonkey
    45 | April 22, 2010 9:41 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Funny,haven’t seen any movies simulating the assassination of Obowma.

    That’s because they don’t sell silver bullets at Wal-Mart.


  44. vagabond trader
    46 | April 22, 2010 9:41 pm

    @ mjazz:

    A-scarred for life. :-)


  45. chickadee
    47 | April 22, 2010 9:42 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ vagabond trader:

    And then they wonder why we aren’t enthusiastically supporting them. Damn, first Michael Steele tells blacks the Republicans offer them nothing, now Newt attacks the Tea Party. Are they trying to destroy the Party? Seriously, time for them all to retire.

    These people are not conservatives. We have no need of their half assed services and that pisses them off.
    Look how Crist is threatening to run as an Independent just to fck up Rubio.
    Some of these bums are morphing into the category of outright enemy.


  46. mjazz
    48 | April 22, 2010 9:42 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Shhh! You’re gonna get us all locked up./


  47. huckfunn
    49 | April 22, 2010 9:42 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Gee, I really used to love Newt. What the hell happened to him? Someone’s gonna find a picture of him and Crist holding hands at Oil Can Harry’s.


  48. 50 | April 22, 2010 9:44 pm

    snork @ 17:
    I see she’s sporting a latex glove. Can’t afford the “fleshlight” lol


  49. vagabond trader
    51 | April 22, 2010 9:45 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Who knows, maybe someone already has these type of photos.Its the only logical explanation.


  50. lobo91
    52 | April 22, 2010 9:45 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    “Come in,” she said. “I’ll give you
    Shelties from the storm.”

    Will there be cookies?*

    *Note: “Cookies” in Sheltie dialect refers to any type of food or food-like substance able to be consumed by Shelties.


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    53 | April 22, 2010 9:48 pm

    So, correct me if I’m wrong—seeing as how I don’t visit Yertle’s Place as so many here still do—but isn’t habitually-wrong SPLC the Source of Choice for the Mad King these days?


  52. vagabond trader
    54 | April 22, 2010 9:49 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Between them,wiki and Kos he has the world of haters covered.


  53. lobo91
    55 | April 22, 2010 9:49 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    So, correct me if I’m wrong—seeing as how I don’t visit Yertle’s Place as so many here still do—but isn’t habitually-wrong SPLC the Source of Choice for the Mad King these days?

    Yup. CJ holds them in high regard.

    He’s said so on multiple occasions.


  54. 56 | April 22, 2010 9:49 pm

    @ RIX:
    Ever got between them and a buffet?


  55. huckfunn
    57 | April 22, 2010 9:49 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Newt’s just embarrassing. Wish he’d just go away.


  56. starviego
    58 | April 22, 2010 9:50 pm

    Von Brunn didn’t shoot anybody. Read the details--

    http://rex84.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=1817


  57. buzzsawmonkey
    59 | April 22, 2010 9:51 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I guess he’s a big one for Dees, Dems and a dose.


  58. vagabond trader
    60 | April 22, 2010 9:51 pm

    @ starviego:

    Sure,tell that to the family of the murdered guard.


  59. lobo91
    61 | April 22, 2010 9:54 pm

    @ starviego:

    I think I’ll pass on the conspiracy sites, thanks.

    And for the record, even if he didn’t actually shoot the guard, and one of the other did so accidentally, it was still his fault. Had he not died in custody, he still would have been legally responsible for the death.


  60. RIX
    62 | April 22, 2010 9:55 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Ever got between them and a buffet?

    Are you talking about the Early Bird Special? No, I wouldn’t do that.


  61. chickadee
    63 | April 22, 2010 9:56 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ vagabond trader:
    Newt’s just embarrassing. Wish he’d just go away.

    I agree. He’s a joke now. Not what we need.
    What a ridiculous time for him to start reaching across the aisle . . . . to commies, no less.


  62. m
    64 | April 22, 2010 9:57 pm

    HEY GUYS!



    /this message will self destruct in 5… 4… 3… 2… *poof*


  63. snork
    65 | April 22, 2010 10:01 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    So, correct me if I’m wrong—seeing as how I don’t visit Yertle’s Place as so many here still do—but isn’t habitually-wrong SPLC the Source of Choice for the Mad King these days?

    When they talk about the South, yes. However, Yertle took exception to that report about racism in Hawaii.


  64. buzzsawmonkey
    66 | April 22, 2010 10:03 pm

    snork wrote:

    When they talk about the South, yes. However, Yertle took exception to that report about racism in Hawaii.

    Some things are just too haole to jest about.


  65. mjazz
    67 | April 22, 2010 10:06 pm

    Those Tea Partiers are a nasty crew and we sure as shootin don’t need any Christians speaking at the Pentagon either./


  66. RIX
    68 | April 22, 2010 10:09 pm

    On the 25th pick in the first round Tim Tebow is taken by Denver.


  67. buzzsawmonkey
    69 | April 22, 2010 10:10 pm

    Actually, isn’t it time that the would-be pejorative “Teabagger” was embraced?

    What, after all, is the Tea Party movement doing but discomfiting the Left by showing it—up close and personal—that the Right has big balls?


  68. mawskrat
    70 | April 22, 2010 10:10 pm

    mountains and windmills…maybe the worst photo ever!


  69. huckfunn
    71 | April 22, 2010 10:11 pm

    m wrote:

    HEY GUYS!



    /this message will self destruct in 5… 4… 3… 2… *poof*

    Hey! I was just about to call in. Can you unselfdestruct for a few minutes?


  70. buzzsawmonkey
    72 | April 22, 2010 10:11 pm

    mawskrat wrote:

    mountains and windmills…maybe the worst photo ever!

    The windmills were probably a Quixote hat-tip.


  71. mjazz
    73 | April 22, 2010 10:17 pm

    To the Defense of the Prophet SWS


  72. 74 | April 22, 2010 10:33 pm

    ICK! I went over to cj’s and it is like reading kos!


  73. chickadee
    75 | April 22, 2010 10:37 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    ICK! I went over to cj’s and it is like reading kos!

    {typicalwhitey}
    How the heck are you? Good to see you.


  74. coldwarrior
    76 | April 22, 2010 10:37 pm

    well, that was fun.


  75. snork
    77 | April 22, 2010 10:38 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    ICK! I went over to cj’s and it is like reading kos!

    With a hint of Manson.


  76. chickadee
    78 | April 22, 2010 10:38 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    well, that was fun.

    It was delightful. And thanks for the drink.
    lol


  77. huckfunn
    79 | April 22, 2010 10:38 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    well, that was fun.

    Y’all sound like a bunch of Yankees… and I don’t mean that in a bad way :grin:


  78. 80 | April 22, 2010 10:39 pm

    Doing good chick…been really busy with the grandson :)


  79. coldwarrior
    81 | April 22, 2010 10:40 pm

    @ chickadee:
    @ huckfunn:

    i would be the northerner NOT from NYC!


  80. 82 | April 22, 2010 10:40 pm

    fuck!


  81. coldwarrior
    83 | April 22, 2010 10:40 pm

    savage wrote:

    fuck!

    sorry? i dindnt quite get that?
    :)


  82. chickadee
    84 | April 22, 2010 10:40 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    well, that was fun.

    Y’all sound like a bunch of Yankees… and I don’t mean that in a bad way

    I don’t think M, Carolina Girl or I sounded like a bunch of Yankees. . . . . did we?


  83. 85 | April 22, 2010 10:42 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    mom is making me watch all her FUCKING STUPID ASS TELEVISION SHOWS. God, I cannot wait to get back to work and get the fuck out of here…


  84. coldwarrior
    86 | April 22, 2010 10:43 pm

    the blogmocracy radio will be fun, i look forward to this little project.


  85. coldwarrior
    87 | April 22, 2010 10:43 pm

    @ savage:

    ouch.


  86. huckfunn
    88 | April 22, 2010 10:44 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    well, that was fun.
    Y’all sound like a bunch of Yankees… and I don’t mean that in a bad way

    I don’t think M, Carolina Girl or I sounded like a bunch of Yankees. . . . . did we?

    Nah; I was just thinking of the predominate voices. But as I said, I don’t mean it in a bad way. After all, I wasn’t born in Texas but I got here as quick as I could.


  87. 89 | April 22, 2010 10:45 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Once my mom is gone, I am selling the house, giving my brother half the money and I’ll leave this state.


  88. mtc
    90 | April 22, 2010 10:45 pm

    I really enjoyed talking to everyone! It was nice meeting you all. Actually, I’m currently in AL but lived in NY for 40 years.


  89. mjazz
    91 | April 22, 2010 10:45 pm

    Where could I have listened?


  90. Speranza
    92 | April 22, 2010 10:45 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    I had a great time


  91. Speranza
    93 | April 22, 2010 10:46 pm

    mtc wrote:

    I really enjoyed talking to everyone! It was nice meeting you all. Actually, I’m currently in AL but lived in NY for 40 years.

    Nice to have spoken to you


  92. Speranza
    94 | April 22, 2010 10:46 pm

    savage wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Once my mom is gone, I am selling the house, giving my brother half the money and I’ll leave this state.

    Get out of California while you still have your sanity.


  93. coldwarrior
    95 | April 22, 2010 10:46 pm

    @ savage:

    get the hell out of CA, good move.


  94. mtc
    96 | April 22, 2010 10:47 pm

    @ savage:
    I wish my mom were still alive. She died in 2004. Enjoy your mom while you can.


  95. coldwarrior
    97 | April 22, 2010 10:47 pm

    @ mtc:
    @ Speranza:

    fun fun fun


  96. chickadee
    98 | April 22, 2010 10:47 pm

    mtc wrote:

    I really enjoyed talking to everyone! It was nice meeting you all. Actually, I’m currently in AL but lived in NY for 40 years.

    It was nice hearing your voice.
    :)


  97. 99 | April 22, 2010 10:47 pm

    @ mjazz:

    We took it down. The real show hosted by macker will be this weekend.


  98. huckfunn
    100 | April 22, 2010 10:48 pm

    @ Speranza:
    That was cool. It’s interesting to finally associate voices with personas that seem to exist only in the cyber world.


  99. Bordm
    101 | April 22, 2010 10:48 pm

    savage wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    mom is making me watch all her FUCKING STUPID ASS TELEVISION SHOWS. God, I cannot wait to get back to work and get the fuck out of here…

    You could always try the old, “gee mom, we so rarely get the time to talk face to face, , , why don’t we turn off the TV and just visit?” thing.


  100. mjazz
    102 | April 22, 2010 10:48 pm

    So it was a conference call?


  101. 103 | April 22, 2010 10:49 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    yeppers


  102. chickadee
    104 | April 22, 2010 10:49 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Hey Speranza.
    I often wondered what your voice sounded like.
    ;)


  103. Speranza
    105 | April 22, 2010 10:50 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    ICK! I went over to cj’s and it is like reading kos!

    CJ is more radical than DAILY KOS.


  104. 106 | April 22, 2010 10:50 pm

    @ Speranza:

    It’s beyond impossible to live in California anymore and I was born and raised here.

    Goddamn turd world shithole LA is becoming.


  105. Speranza
    107 | April 22, 2010 10:50 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Hey Speranza.
    I often wondered what your voice sounded like.

    I sound a lot like Richard Burton huh?


  106. chickadee
    108 | April 22, 2010 10:51 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    So it was a conference call?

    Yes, it was like a conference call. But like teenagers all talking at once.
    It was great.


  107. Speranza
    109 | April 22, 2010 10:51 pm

    savage wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    It’s beyond impossible to live in California anymore and I was born and raised here.
    Goddamn turd world shithole LA is becoming.

    The land of fruits and nuts and Charlie Johnson.


  108. coldwarrior
    110 | April 22, 2010 10:51 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    So it was a conference call?

    for all intents and purposes…the blogmocracy radio gets trooped out for real saturday.


  109. Bluebird
    111 | April 22, 2010 10:52 pm

    Wow!! It was so great to hear all your voices!! I’m sorry I came to the party so late. You all sound so great!! But I am a little saddened to know that I sound like a Yankee now. LOL! I guess all these years here have taken their toll.


  110. 112 | April 22, 2010 10:52 pm

    @ Bordm:

    You could always try the old, “gee mom, we so rarely get the time to talk face to face, , , why don’t we turn off the TV and just visit?” thing

    .

    And listen to endless hours of how wonderful Obama and Pelosi and Boxer are? yuk!


  111. chickadee
    113 | April 22, 2010 10:52 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    chickadee wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Hey Speranza.
    I often wondered what your voice sounded like.

    I sound a lot like Richard Burton huh?

    Better. You sounded like an American Richard Burton.
    ;)


  112. Speranza
    114 | April 22, 2010 10:52 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That was cool. It’s interesting to finally associate voices with personas that seem to exist only in the cyber world.

    Half the people here I do not even know whether they are male or female.


  113. Speranza
    115 | April 22, 2010 10:53 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    Better. You sounded like an American Richard Burton.

    and I look like Errol Flynn!


  114. huckfunn
    116 | April 22, 2010 10:53 pm

    savage wrote:

    Goddamn turd world shithole LA is becoming.

    Relax, breath deeply and tell us what you really think.


  115. Speranza
    117 | April 22, 2010 10:54 pm

    Bluebird wrote:

    Wow!! It was so great to hear all your voices!! I’m sorry I came to the party so late. You all sound so great!! But I am a little saddened to know that I sound like a Yankee now. LOL! I guess all these years here have taken their toll.

    Sound like a Yankee? Derek Jeter???


  116. taxfreekiller
    118 | April 22, 2010 10:54 pm

    CJ went to the SPLC once he was cornered on the illegals, drug mules, coyote human trafficing, wage slaves, the young Mexican sex slaves in the orange groves in Fl. , the Unions and Democrats handing out ID’s to illegals along with fake Union shop work tickets, together with the fake X-rays of the scab illegal Mexican welders on high pressure gas lines near schools in Texas ect.

    He is the Lord of Fools on Planet earth.

    IMHO

    sinking he is into madness


  117. 119 | April 22, 2010 10:55 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    If I do that, I’ll explode.


  118. m
    120 | April 22, 2010 10:55 pm

    Great takedown snork!


  119. Carolina Girl
    121 | April 22, 2010 10:55 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    chickadee wrote:
    huckfunn wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    well, that was fun.
    Y’all sound like a bunch of Yankees… and I don’t mean that in a bad way
    I don’t think M, Carolina Girl or I sounded like a bunch of Yankees. . . . . did we?
    Nah; I was just thinking of the predominate voices. But as I said, I don’t mean it in a bad way. After all, I wasn’t born in Texas but I got here as quick as I could.

    Actually my accent is not so pronounced normally, as Sperana will attest -- but I had wine at lunch and my vocal cords get lazy….


  120. snork
    122 | April 22, 2010 10:56 pm

    Anybody ever notice how similar “Keynesian” and Kenyian” are?


  121. Speranza
    123 | April 22, 2010 10:56 pm

    mtc wrote:

    @ savage:
    I wish my mom were still alive. She died in 2004. Enjoy your mom while you can.

    Mine died in 1976. A terrible blow.


  122. chickadee
    124 | April 22, 2010 10:56 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    chickadee wrote:

    Better. You sounded like an American Richard Burton.

    and I look like Errol Flynn!

    You do?
    Does ANYONE here look like Robert Mitchum? (at all)?
    lol


  123. lobo91
    125 | April 22, 2010 10:56 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That was cool. It’s interesting to finally associate voices with personas that seem to exist only in the cyber world.

    If I’d called in, all you would have heard was “Woof! Woof woof!”


  124. Speranza
    126 | April 22, 2010 10:57 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Actually my accent is not so pronounced normally, as Sperana will attest – but I had wine at lunch and my vocal cords get lazy….

    Tonight you actually sounded like a Carolinian.


  125. Speranza
    127 | April 22, 2010 10:57 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    You do?
    Does ANYONE here look like Robert Mitchum? (at all)?
    lol

    Someone here looks like Richard Boone aka Paladin.


  126. Carolina Girl
    128 | April 22, 2010 10:58 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    CJ went to the SPLC once he was cornered on the illegals, drug mules, coyote human trafficing, wage slaves, the young Mexican sex slaves in the orange groves in Fl. , the Unions and Democrats handing out ID’s to illegals along with fake Union shop work tickets, together with the fake X-rays of the scab illegal Mexican welders on high pressure gas lines near schools in Texas ect.
    He is the Lord of Fools on Planet earth.
    IMHO
    sinking he is into madness

    I’m pretty sure his feet have already touched bottom….


  127. 129 | April 22, 2010 10:58 pm

    @ savage:

    California is a Marxist State.


  128. Bordm
    130 | April 22, 2010 10:58 pm

    @ savage:

    And listen to endless hours of how wonderful Obama and Pelosi and Boxer are? yuk!

    LOL, you have my sincere sympathy, inane television or inane conversation, one is as bad as the other.


  129. Carolina Girl
    131 | April 22, 2010 10:58 pm

    @ Speranza:

    My uncle William looks like Mitchum.


  130. huckfunn
    132 | April 22, 2010 10:59 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Half the people here I do not even know whether they are male or female.

    There was a story about Yogi Berra (could’ve been Casey Stengel). A streaker ran across the field at some point during a game. Afterward, the announcer asked Yogi if the the streaker was a boy or a girl. Yogi said “I don’t know. They had a bag over their head”.


  131. Carolina Girl
    133 | April 22, 2010 11:00 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    Actually my accent is not so pronounced normally, as Sperana will attest – but I had wine at lunch and my vocal cords get lazy….
    Tonight you actually sounded like a Carolinian.

    Happens when I get excited, too, and meeting new people, which, in many ways this was!


  132. 134 | April 22, 2010 11:00 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It used to be a paradise here, now it’s nothing but illegals, commies, union thugs and scumbags.


  133. Speranza
    135 | April 22, 2010 11:01 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    There was a story about Yogi Berra (could’ve been Casey Stengel). A streaker ran across the field at some point during a game. Afterward, the announcer asked Yogi if the the streaker was a boy or a girl. Yogi said “I don’t know. They had a bag over their head”

    My favorite Yogi Berraism (after he saw the movie “Papillon” on TV) -- “Steve McQueen looked pretty good -- he must have made the picture before he died”


  134. chickadee
    136 | April 22, 2010 11:01 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    Actually my accent is not so pronounced normally, as Sperana will attest – but I had wine at lunch and my vocal cords get lazy….
    Tonight you actually sounded like a Carolinian.

    Happens when I get excited, too, and meeting new people, which, in many ways this was!

    You sounded perfect.


  135. 137 | April 22, 2010 11:01 pm

    How areyou guys talking to each other????


  136. 138 | April 22, 2010 11:01 pm

    @ Bordm:

    Oh, she had a hissy fit the other day when we were testing out the blogtalkradio, thinks I have no idea how great Democrats are to the US.

    Fuck, I wanted to bash her face in.


  137. huckfunn
    139 | April 22, 2010 11:01 pm

    @ Speranza:
    HAW!


  138. taxfreekiller
    140 | April 22, 2010 11:01 pm

    Keep in mind.

    These commie nut case tax, spend, and Constitution rippers are voted in by Democrats who live and work amoung U.S..

    Know well the ones at the top are depending on the vote “for the dole” slaves to keep them in power no matter the cost or the law.


  139. Speranza
    141 | April 22, 2010 11:02 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Happens when I get excited, too, and meeting new people, which, in many ways this was!

    You really had the accent tonight. I have spoken to you many times and there was never a trace of it in your voice previously.


  140. m
    142 | April 22, 2010 11:02 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Rodan said you sound like me, lol!

    Bless!


  141. Carolina Girl
    143 | April 22, 2010 11:03 pm

    @ Rodan:

    This election in November will be interesting, not so much for Governor, but to see if the legislature changes. Unfortunately, both houses of California are based on population, and the liberal areas are continually sending insane people to Sacramento. But the state’s in deplorable shape, Arnie and the Dems have increased taxes so much that it gives the conservatives something good to run on. The Teachers Union is losing clout with the electorate.


  142. Speranza
    144 | April 22, 2010 11:03 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    How areyou guys talking to each other????

    Blogmocracy radio


  143. huckfunn
    145 | April 22, 2010 11:03 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Actually my accent is not so pronounced normally, as Sperana will attest – but I had wine at lunch and my vocal cords get lazy….

    I love what wine does for the ladies.


  144. 146 | April 22, 2010 11:04 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    typicalwhitey wrote:
    How areyou guys talking to each other????
    Blogmocracy radio

    Ok help me out here.
    How do I join??


  145. Carolina Girl
    147 | April 22, 2010 11:04 pm

    @ m:

    Well, I hope you’re on the call next time and not the switchboard. So when we do it Saturday, it will be broadcast somewhere? It’s Flyboy’s birthday, so we may not be able to join in because of celebrating with liquor.


  146. m
    148 | April 22, 2010 11:04 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    How areyou guys talking to each other????

    We were testing out a Blogmocracy radio show (i know, we’ve done it before but it’s like herding cats!) Keep an eye out for the real thing!


  147. Bluebird
    149 | April 22, 2010 11:04 pm

    Btw, I have pictures from 0′s visit to Cooper Union today, but no idea how to post them. Should I email them to the blogmocracy gmail account ?


  148. Speranza
    150 | April 22, 2010 11:04 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Arnie and the Dems have increased taxes so much that it gives the conservatives something good to run on. The Teachers Union is losing clout with the electorate.

    Governor Christie of New Jersey just won a solid victory against the teachers union.


  149. m
    151 | April 22, 2010 11:04 pm

    @ savage:

    Savage! That’s fucked up!


  150. Speranza
    152 | April 22, 2010 11:05 pm

    Bluebird wrote:

    Btw, I have pictures from 0’s visit to Cooper Union today, but no idea how to post them. Should I email them to the blogmocracy gmail account ?

    Yes that would be great.


  151. huckfunn
    153 | April 22, 2010 11:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    If I’d called in, all you would have heard was “Woof! Woof woof!”

    Hey! That’s a new look for you, Lobo. I was gonna comment on it earlier but then you ‘splained. Shelties are great dogs.


  152. 154 | April 22, 2010 11:06 pm

    @ m:
    So can we call in and stuff?


  153. Speranza
    155 | April 22, 2010 11:06 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    My uncle William looks like Mitchum.

    My father looked like Charlton Heston.


  154. 156 | April 22, 2010 11:06 pm

    @ m:

    why do you think I want to go back to work?

    Not much more of this Commie shit I can handle


  155. Speranza
    157 | April 22, 2010 11:06 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    @ m:
    So can we call in and stuff?

    This Saturday you can.


  156. 158 | April 22, 2010 11:07 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The Jazz Blog is Far Left.


  157. Speranza
    159 | April 22, 2010 11:08 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Well, I hope you’re on the call next time and not the switchboard. So when we do it Saturday, it will be broadcast somewhere? It’s Flyboy’s birthday, so we may not be able to join in because of celebrating with liquor.

    Oh you would be great liquored up. All the inner love you have for Snowball will come out in a torrent of expletives that would make a truck driver blush.


  158. Bluebird
    160 | April 22, 2010 11:09 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Okay… I’m going to try it.


  159. m
    161 | April 22, 2010 11:09 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yep, Macker will host. I guess we’ll give you this one off ;-) (happy b-day Flyboy!) but I hope you’re a regular! Maybe you can help translate when my southern comes out (like it ever stops), lol!

    @ Bluebird:

    Yes, please! Cool!


  160. lobo91
    162 | April 22, 2010 11:09 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Leia says “Woof!”

    I think that means thank you.

    Or possibly that she’s hungry.


  161. 163 | April 22, 2010 11:10 pm

    @ Speranza:

    All the inner love you have for Snowball will come out in a torrent of expletives that would make a truck driver blush.

    Think I’ll turn red? lol


  162. m
    164 | April 22, 2010 11:10 pm

    MTC! Sorry I missed you screening! I would have loved to have said hey! Rodan went for the free-for-all ~:D


  163. coldwarrior
    165 | April 22, 2010 11:10 pm

    my penguins need to win this hockey game so i can go to bed….its near the end of the second OT…early tee time in the AM.


  164. Speranza
    166 | April 22, 2010 11:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The Jazz Blog is Far Left.

    It really is. It is not even center-left, it is way out therein left field now.


  165. Bordm
    167 | April 22, 2010 11:12 pm

    @ savage:

    OK, that’s just wrong, I know what you mean, but it’s still wrong. I got lots of Libs in the non-immediate family. I just laugh at them and tell them that I will be there when the scales finally fall from their eyes. Sarcasm is a great weapon.


  166. Speranza
    168 | April 22, 2010 11:13 pm

    savage wrote:

    Think I’ll turn red? lol

    I love when you get hot in the collar over Chuckhead.


  167. m
    169 | April 22, 2010 11:14 pm

    @ typicalwhitey:

    Yep. We’ll do an announcement thread, and then put the player on the blog so people can listen live and call in and all that cool stuff! You should hear these guys when they get going! lol!


  168. lobo91
    170 | April 22, 2010 11:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    my penguins need to win this hockey game so i can go to bed….its near the end of the second OT…early tee time in the AM.

    At least the Rockies managed to split their series with Washington.

    Did the Nationals go out and get a whole new team over the winter, or what?


  169. bar
    172 | April 22, 2010 11:15 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    No kidding, I am missing the Sharks / Av’s because of this!!!!
    And my Kings lost last night, those bums…..


  170. Speranza
    173 | April 22, 2010 11:16 pm

    Bordm wrote:

    I just laugh at them and tell them that I will be there when the scales finally fall from their eyes. Sarcasm is a great weapon.

    I just remind them how much money their little children and grandchildren are going to owe thanks to Obama’s deficits. That usually shuts their pie holes.


  171. coldwarrior
    174 | April 22, 2010 11:17 pm

    @ lobo91:

    rockies?

    nationals?

    what is this of which you speak?


  172. lobo91
    175 | April 22, 2010 11:19 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    It’s spring.

    Proper Americans watch baseball now.

    //


  173. m
    176 | April 22, 2010 11:19 pm

    @ typicalwhitey:

    AAWWWWWWW! Man he’s growing!


  174. coldwarrior
    177 | April 22, 2010 11:21 pm

    bar wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    No kidding, I am missing the Sharks / Av’s because of this!!!!
    And my Kings lost last night, those bums…..

    end of second OT…its gonna be a long one.

    sorry, bar.


  175. bar
    178 | April 22, 2010 11:22 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Not until playoff Hockey is over, then maybe not even then.


  176. coldwarrior
    179 | April 22, 2010 11:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    It’s spring.
    Proper Americans watch baseball now.
    //

    baseball? i’ll have to google that.


  177. Bordm
    181 | April 22, 2010 11:23 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I just remind them how much money their little children and grandchildren are going to owe thanks to Obama’s deficits. That usually shuts their pie holes.

    Here is one of the pictures I took at the Beaumont, Texas TEA Party. It goes with your statement. A couple of the others are good also.


  178. 182 | April 22, 2010 11:24 pm

    @ Bordm:
    OMG! That is hilarious!


  179. chickadee
    183 | April 22, 2010 11:25 pm

    @ typicalwhitey:

    He’s so cute. And a toddler now.
    You’ll have to update your avatar.


  180. m
    184 | April 22, 2010 11:26 pm

    @ typicalwhitey:

    Too cute! ~:D

    @ Bordm:

    That’s great. You should have let us link’em here!


  181. coldwarrior
    185 | April 22, 2010 11:26 pm

    night, everyone.


  182. 186 | April 22, 2010 11:28 pm

    @ Bordm:

    I know. I know. It’s just torquing me off to see her pop off leftist nonsense….


  183. 187 | April 22, 2010 11:29 pm

    @ chickadee:
    good idea chick!


  184. Bordm
    188 | April 22, 2010 11:33 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    @ Bordm:
    OMG! That is hilarious!

    I can’t take any credit, I saw the little lady with the sign and asked her if I could take her picture. It was the best sign I saw that day.


  185. bar
    189 | April 22, 2010 11:34 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Something tells me this year will be a repeat of 1993, when we tore a path to the Stanley Cup through Canada.
    But then I think that every year, even the years we don’t make the playoff’s.

    You know, I have been a fan for my entire life. But lost interest the last few years, so watching them doesnt have that same emotional effect that it had before. Its really weird and nice not to be angry all the time.

    The San Diego Chargers burned me out.
    What the hell am I going to do with my LT jerseys?

    Damn theirs that anger again…


  186. Bordm
    190 | April 22, 2010 11:38 pm

    @ m:

    I posted the links on a thread that night, anything I have there is free for anyone’s use. I suppose I could have sent the link in an email, I got busy and it slipped my mind. No biggie.


  187. Bordm
    191 | April 22, 2010 11:40 pm

    savage wrote:

    @ Bordm:
    I know. I know. It’s just torquing me off to see her pop off leftist nonsense….

    I figured that, we all have to let off steam on occasion. This is a good place to do that.


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