For too long America has tolerated Islamic-Imperialists. They issue threats and make demands of our government. Like cowards we appease them and treat them as divine beings. Well the time has come for this too cease. Meet Virginia resident Zachary Adam Chesser, who once was Satanists and is now a member of the cult of Islam (same thing). His pathetic cowardly group Revolution Islam issues a threat to Comedy Central over a cartoon mocking the Genocidal Pedophile founder of Islam Muhammad. Here is his picture:
By all appearances, Zachary Adam Chesser was the boy next door. He played football and was on the crew team at one of the best high schools in the country. He even studied Japanese. He was hardly the sort of boy you’d expect would suggest on a radical Islamic website that the creators of the edgy cartoon series “South Park” will be targeted for death.
But Chesser also had a dark side. He was a “loner,” a former classmate said, one who frequently drew pictures of Satanic figures in his notebooks and had just a few friends, most of them male.
“He was definitely sort of weird,” the classmate told FoxNews.com. “He was very into violent industrial music, borderline Satanic bands and stuff like that. He had dark undertones in his interests.”
Two years later, Chesser is literally a changed man. He now uses an alias and has a new set of hobbies. He now likes to be called Abu Talhah Al-Amrikee, and his primary interest in this world appears to be Islamic radicalism.
Read the rest: Road to Radicalism: The Man Behind the ‘South Park’ Threats
This clown is a traitor and a coward. He hides behind our laws to issue sedition. It is time Islamic Imperialists like Zachary Adam Chesser meet the fate they deserve. America should have no tolerance with these traitors and this coward deserves a traitor’s fate. The time for tolerance needs to end and it is time for America to be intolerant of vermin like this filth.
UPDATE: Here is the little punks Zachary Adam Chesser address.
6078 CLAY SPUR CT
CENTREVILLE, VA 20121 (703) 815-0441
Tags: South Park, Zachary Adam Chesser
Is that a real beard?
Penis without a clue.
For all the issues that I’ve had to deal with with my son (which are SO much better–thanks for your prayers!), I’m thanking God that I did not have THAT to deal with.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
Goddess! I don’t get to say How Do’ to you very often.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
You really have a good heart, I wish I could say the same for myself. It’s people like this why I have hate. I’m tired of these traitors.
God Bless good people like you GOTC!
There is a whole nest of these islamo-vermin using our freedoms and liberties as weapons against us. cair, mpac, islamic thinkers, muslim student association….. The list is long, but the mission is the same. jihad
I have an idea. Let’s find this kid walking on his way to the mosque and beat the living sh*t out of him and threaten him with far more evil done to him than he can imagine . . . then watch him go back to his mommy’s basement and re-emerge as a Dungeon and Dragons wizard.
@ Bunk X:
{Bunk X}
Yes, this is a bit past my bedtime, but it’s a Friday!
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
It’s barely after 6 PM . . .
@ Rodan:
{Rodan}
You’re very kind, but even angels will draw a sword of righteousness to fight evil.
I won’t say much either. It is just that those issuing threats like this had better be willing to accept the consequences. The Left like to throw the charge of sedition at the Tea Parties, but I somehow suspect that condemning this particular call to violence will be a bit beyond the limits of their interest.
@ father_of_10:
Fuck that. Blow that motherfuckers head off and leave an ace of spades on his lifeless corpse.
@ father_of_10:
But I was up at 2:30 this morning–your time!
@ Iron Fist:
He deserves a bullet in his head!
@ Rodan:
I just said that! haha
@ Iron Fist:
Interesting coincidence that is.
savage wrote:
Where is your love of Mother Earth? Recycle! Feed the corpse to the hogs.
He was looking for Satan and found what he was looking for in Islam. Sounds like linear progression to me. Changed,,,my butt!
//Unless you’re using the Obummer definition of change.
Brigitte Gabriel is on Hannity talking about Muslims in the military and the Franklin Graham fiasco.
@ savage:
If I get this punk’s address I’m posting it.
@ savage:
{savage}
Whoa there! We are a nation of laws. If I may use a dog analogy, we need to start growling, bristling, and baring our teeth instead of tucking our tails between our legs and rolling over, but tearing out their throats is not right.
@ Rodan:
Creative use of gasoline. All I’m saying…is give war a chance!
@ lobo91:
I love Bridgette, trust me as someone who has Lebanese relative and blood in my veins, we know all too well about Islam.
@ citizen_q:
I respect hogs too much to poison them with this scumbags hide.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
And the Constitution is not a suicide pact, either.
That guy looks like a sissy to me. I bet he’s used to wearing cloth wraps around his head – the athletes in his highschool would have made him wear their jockstraps right after every game
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
{goddessoftheclassroom}
You are very kind. Unfortunately, our enemies look on kindness as weakness.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
See I really respect what you are saying. You have a great heart, but I am tired of tolerating this people. I say deport him to the Muslim country of his choice. It’s time to take off the gloves. Why is it OK fro Jews, Hindus, Christian and others to get mocked but these savages get treated like Gods?
Many are tiring!
@ savage:
I completely agree–people have got to stop surrendering and stand up for their right to free speech, but no one’s TAKING that right; some are giving it away.
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
Awww. You’re the first to give me an e-hug!
@ Rodan:
Don’t even go there, Rodan.
@ Iron Fist:
That said, I don’t think I’d have said what savage said. Not prudent. What happens if the little cocksucker shows up next saturday with a bullet in his head and an ace of spades on his corpse? That very well could happen. This little fucker is playing with fire. I don’t really give a rat’s ass if someone ushers him off this mortal coil, but I’m damn straight interested that I don’t get charged with it if they do.
I say we send guys like this off to one of the Islamic countries and let him live there. Then he can try to convince them that he’s not an American when they want to cut off his head…
BTW, Hi honey {savage}!
Perhaps he just never got laid?
Them 72 virgins must be purty temptin.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
I’ve had it with punks like this idiot prancing around all big and bad and threatening death to anyone that crosses his moon god.
@ Rodan:
I agree that those (ANY “those”) who will not live my our laws and culture to the point that they want US to change should leave to live where they’ll be happier. As a Christian, I don’t like being mocked, but I ardently believe in the right for others to do so. What irks me is this special “victim” privilege to be beyond such ridicule or even criticism. THAT’S the rolling over that must stop.
@ Rodan:
Yes, if he wants to live under Sharia, let him immigrate to Mecca. He can beat his pointy little head on the floor until it kills him.
@ savages_girl:
hey kiddo.
I passed the pee test, studied very hard LOL
Y’all are giving ammunition to The Village after Ludwank’s and Cato’s crap the other day.
@ savage:
Again, I completely agree, but it’s the cowards who give into these petty bullies that are more to blame–they encourage encroachment.
savage wrote:
Do you remember any of the questions? Might make it easier for the rest of us if we ever have to take the test.
@ savage:
I kind of gotta agree… pretty tired of these guys…I’m for shipping them off to some other country…
@ citizen_q:
He should go out into the desert and practice his suicide bombing. I wouldn’t want him to fuck up the big moment, so he should practice with live C-4 to get the feel for it, if you get what I mean…
@ Bunk X:
Only question I had to answer is ‘would you like another cup of coffee?”
Iron Fist wrote:
Of course, the only reason they’d be interested in him is for propaganda value.
He’s another loser like Adam Gadahn.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
What irks me is this special “victim” privilege to be beyond such ridicule or even criticism.
What’s funny is that these victims were the biggest perpetrators of genocide since the 7th Century. Before Nazism and Communism, Islamic Imperialism was the biggest committer of genocide in human history.
@ savage:
YEA!!! I knew you could do it!
@ Bunk X:
Nobody really gives a rat’s ass what Sir Quacksalot and his girlfriend think.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
Agreed!
@ savages_girl:
Frank is setting up the road test for Monday.
Iron Fist wrote:
Him and all his fellow coreligionists. Don’t like America? Not islamic enough? No one is keeping them here, they want islamic hell-holes, there are plenty to choose from.
They won’t go however. Follow the commands of their evil cult they are out to spread their corruption.
@ Bunk X:
You are the voice of reason this evening!
@ lobo91:
Yeah. What they do with him isn’t particularly our concern. He can do the Tokyo Rose schtick, but I don’t think he’ll be particularly effective. Adam Gadahn hasn’t been. More than anything, the thing that is saving us is the complete incompetance of our Enemies.
@ Rodan:
I’m fading fast, so I’ll say good night.
Please don’t let your justifiable anger at injustice poison your souls. Don’t become what those who hate us accuse us of being.
No finer words have ever been written on this or any blog.
HELL YES!
Arrest. Convict and hang him high by his chin pubes
@ citizen_q:
They are like the Leftists who were going to move to Canada or France if Bush won re-election. Long on talk and short on performance.
Somebody with a sock, go tell the inmates we’re threatening lives and crap like that.
@ savage:
What time?
Kids like this are the direct result of Liberalism in the home and the classroom !!!!!!!!!!!
@ Iron Fist:
I’d be willing to bet the rest of his al Qaeda buddies laugh their asses off at Gadahn the minute he leaves the room.
He was a loser before he changed religion. He’s a loser now. Even they know it.
@ snork:
Hey, it’s not like someone threatened to handcuff his wrist to the opposite ankle, pour gasoline on him, and set him on fire. Because that would be wrong.
Oy, gevalt. The electrical engineering geniuses are pontificating:
I am a grid denier. Repeat after me: there is no national grid.
@ lobo91:
He’s a loser, baby, so why don’t you kill him…
Execution of a Nazi in the city of Bruchsal
This should be the fate of anyone that preaches jihad.
@ snork:
The biggest enemy of windfarms was that fat windbag ted kennedy
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
Good night, goddess
Iron Fist wrote:
Unless you poured honey on the carcass and threw it on an anthill afterward.
Doppelganger wrote:
I have noticed that there haven’t been any of them coming out of Colorado Springs…
@ Doppelganger:
I have to disagree with you on that. This has nothing to do with liberalism. This is somebody with no direction in life who finds a “faith” they believe in, like anybody who finds their “religion”. There are a lot of misguided people out there and believe me, they are not all products of liberalism.
Son, why don’t you shave that beard, get drunk, go get laid and get with the program.
My advice to this little prick
@ savage:
Worked for Saddam…
@ savage:
Was it my imagination, or did they have to push the flailing feet into the box?
@ savages_girl:
I think that was basically what he meant by “liberalism in the home.”
lobo91 wrote:
Jihad Johnny Lindh. fat gadahn.
Kids who are told America is the enemy. the USA is arrogant. They are programmed to hate america by their red diaper doper baby parents and teachers.
I think you’ll find few to no jihadis that come out of homes that have photos of Ronald Reagan on the wall and who fly the American flag on the door.
and nobody that is raised on Toby Keith and Merle Haggard sticks his ass in the air 6 times a day and prays for the death of America
@ snork:
YUCK! snork, his feet were NOT flailing…e-gads
@ snork:
Sure looks like it.
Cowards never die like men, only like cockroaches.
@ savages_girl:
But it is liberalism in the classroom that teaches these kids that it is wrong to morally judge other religions. That all religions are the same. They aren’t, and it isn’t just because I don’t believe the same thing they do. I don’t in any way believ e the B’ahai faith. From what I know of it, it seems a touch out there. But I have no problem with B’ahais, because they aren’t out butchering people in the name of their faith. The Mohammedans are, and it is not only permissible to judge them on that, it is imperative. The Liberal doctrine of multiculturalism decrees otherwise, and that is what is being force-fed to our children.
Comedy Central must be a bunch of pussies, if that guy scared them!
Give me a break.
@ Iron Fist:
What’s the old saying? “If you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything.”
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
Goodnight and I will try!
@ Iron Fist:
But what is stronger: What is taught at home or what is taught in a classroom? I think it is a matter of personal character. A person can have the best parents in the world, and go to the best schools, and still come out a turd. Past a certain age, kids grow up and make up their own minds what direction to take in life. This guy took a wrong turn. He’s probably a disgrace to his parents and family. Or they may not even take his change of name and religion seriously…until he kills somebody. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying you can’t blame “liberalism” for this. JMHO…
what is this scumbags LGF nic? No doubt he’s a member in good standing
lobo91 wrote:
There’s a Chesterton quote something like that.
It’s on: “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day” set for May 20th.
Imagine all the fatwa’s, it could take years to issue them all….
So lets give them something to do!
Doppelganger wrote:
I think his LGF nic is something like: CJ’ssqueeze or CJfluffboy.
bar wrote:
This is exactly what I propose. I am ALL over this one!
@ father_of_10:
Good going. Send us some of your artwork to the gmail address. That would be great!
Hey Rodan. I wanna do a guest post.
draw mo day.
(*)
done
I guess I can ask you too, Savage.
Good night all!
@ father_of_10:
I might get a Blogmocracy Muhammad contest!
Would you buy oil from a stinkin’ pedophile?
Iron Fist wrote:
What I meant was to tone down the violent threats. My opinion.
I will draw the purple starfish
Rodan wrote:
NEVER! FULDKOMMEN GAK ROOOOLS!
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
Ditto that completely.
@ bar:
My Comedy Central are pussies comment my not make sense without this.
Comedy Central censors all references to Mohammed on “South Park”;
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/22/comedy-central-censors-all-references-to-mohammed-on-south-park/
@ father_of_10:
Send me or Rodan or ‘m’ or coldwarrior the post you want to stick up here to the gmail address and we will post it for you.
Rodan wrote:
Here you go-
6078 CLAY SPUR CT
CENTREVILLE, VA 20121 (703) 815-0441
@ Doppelganger:
Ask SG sometime about the starfish fleet….
@ Bob in Breckenridge:
Outstanding work! Going up in a few minutes…
Bob, it’s done. Thank you….
@ savage:
@ father_of_10:
Charles Jonson’s Gunsel…
@ savage:
That ought to get his attention. It is a wild wicked internet out there. All kinds of unfriendly prying eyes looking around. There’s no telling who might see that.
Rodan wrote:
Debbie Schlussel says that she’s a fraud.
Always got to slander those she envies, I guess…
Also, the Damour genocide — Maronite Christians massacred at the hands of the PLO.
What accounts for the Filastinophilia of the Regressive Transnationalists? Why, the genocidal savagery of the Arabian colonialists, of course!
@ savages_girl:
yay!
@ Philip_Daniel:
Debbie Schlussel needs to STFU.
@ Iron Fist:
Then maybe it ought to keep him from running his mouth off where it doesn’t belong..
While we debate the fate that ought to await this piece of shit, take a bit of time to mourn the passing of a real American hero.
savages_girl wrote:
Never heard of the starfish fleet! I’ve heard about the Star-Kist fleet though. Oh and the guy in the second commercial is the son of first-generation immigrants from Italy.
good for bob publishing this scumbags address. Let him live in fear the same way he tries to make cartoonists live in fear
@ Philip_Daniel:
Debbie Schlussel is referring to somebody who uses a porn name Brigitte Gabriel. Are you sure she is referring to the Brigitte Gabriel who is the anti Islamic activist?
Did you read the Foxnews.com article about this POS? Here’s what that other POS from CAIR, Ibrahim Hooper, said:
Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, characterized Revolution Muslim as a loosely-organized group with such outrageous beliefs he believes it may be a “setup” to smear Islam.
“They say wild and irresponsible things periodically,” Hooper told FoxNews.com. “There’s a strong suspicion that they’re merely a setup to make Muslims and Islam look bad. They say such wild and crazy things that you have to wonder.”
@ bar:
I drew a facsimile of Mo. But then I flushed it.
Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
CAIR already has the monopoly on that
savage wrote:
Just a quick note, I looked up the address on Google Earth, and it’s an apartment building or condo complex.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
HATE CRIME!
That Chesser cat is in wonderland.
So, some reports are that RINO Crist will go full RINO aka independent.
So, what will the lead RINO McCain do when J.D. Hayworth beats him in Az.
???
Soon to come,, the New RINO Party.
You do know that the blog maven will attempt to have you banned from the internet for posting an address and phone number.
I just got here- but has anyone mentioned the Gov of AZ and her signing of the immigration bill?
lobo91 wrote:
according to her james traficant is the second coming of hitler himself.
trafficant is a criminal, yes…that’s fairly standard in younsgstown (mob central) ohio. he aint no hitler
taxfreekiller wrote:
well the tea party needs to toss that POS Obama hugger Crist to the trash heap in the general election.
Of some note:
May 1, Dallas Tx.
Big “Illegal Mexican” Rally down town at City Hall.
La Raza, Alzatan, Lulac, a few Zeta enforcers, you know,, non citizens tell U.S. what to do.
also others observing
Doppelganger wrote:
If living by the precepts of the Qur’an and Sunnah makes Islam look bad, and if taslim and iman and taqwa and ibadah are actually signs of kufr and shirk and riddah and fasaad, then…
Hoo boy, I’ve got a headache. A killer. Ouch.
@ coldwarrior:
Is he out of jail already?
taxfreekiller wrote:
they should be met with tear gas and german shepherds and fire hoses with high pressure water canon. then arrested and deported.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Thats a double fat-one for you.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Yes. Sept 09 I think.
snork wrote:
I don’t like it.
ish
taxfreekiller wrote:
On May day no less. Man, these leftist commies will never learn.
taxfreekiller wrote:
let them try that in Arizona.
@ Bunk X:
It’s scary when Iron Fist is the voice of reason.
~:D
If any one doubts the connection between Rick Perry and Glen Beck they should attend the deal with Beck and Perry “French Kissing” in
Tyler Tex. soon.
Beck is on David Barton of wallbuilders prayroll.
Iron Fist was A voice of reason. There were others. When the tale is told tho… lol.
Doppelganger wrote:
That’s her way of insinuating that “Brigitte Gabriel” isn’t her real name.
Debbie Schlussel is batshit crazy, and needs to stick to doing her half-assed movie reviews.
coldwarrior wrote:
I’d like to ask Traficant — if DA EVUL JOOOOOOOO ZIONAZIS are supposedly controlling our foreign policy (bullshit!), then why has every single president since Dhimmi Khadr been intent on creating a Shari’a state ruled by mujahedin (who committed genocide against Lebanese Christians from 1975-1981) on land which is legitimately Israeli land according to all the rules of justus bellum, why the past several presidential administrations have unflinchingly supported the official independence of a thugocracy which would enable Allah‘s chosen Ummat al-Muslimin, calling themselves Philistines after the European-originated race of the Biblical Goliath, to engage in genocidal ghazwat (thus fulfilling a prophecy contained in the ahadith of the sahih sittah) against Israel and eventually conquer it as waqf endowed exclusively for future generations of al-mu’minin (thus Islamizing it)?
Love these guys — Palestinian Zionists!
Also, Victor Davis Hanson’s “A Modest Proposal for Middle East Peace”
they already have 500,000 in Az now, and on any given Sat. 100,000 on bus’s takeing holliday in the old county so’s they can mule some drugs back to U.S..@ song_and_dance_man:
US Clears 2nd Navy SEAL In Iraqi Abuse Case
Cool!
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio was on AM640KFI this afternoon. That guy is great.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
he is….and he is a criminal, just like every other politician in that town, i am serious, it is mob central.
m wrote:
No. It’s the unnecessary and absurd hollow threats that turn me off.
A couple things come to mind when I read all the angry words here:
#1. Instead of the violent, angry invective…why hasn’t anyone notified the police or DA of the City where this guy lives and have him prosecuted? Is not our Nation a Nation of laws?
#2. If we descend into anarchy (and that is what is being advocated here: anarchy) then aren’t we just letting the terrorists win?
#3. We are pretty creative people at this blog. Can’t we (as a group) come up with some creative way to taking care of guys like this without using violence? I remember in Taekwondo that they taught us to use the my enemy’s force against him. How about if we start advocating bacon grease getting smeared on every public door, handle, step etc..? (I’m not talking about lots and lots: just enough to ‘get the job done’, heh.) If we make America unattractive to live in, they will stop coming here.
This new “course” that is being advocated by some here on the blog needs to be better evaluated, in my humble opinion.
~Norsk Troll
@ Philip_Daniel:
he also bitched about the chinese having too much influence on our (clinton era) foreighn policy…so he’s a anti-sino as well. and he bitched about the brits and the UN…maybe he’s just a loudmouthed nationalist.
@ Et Norsk Troll:
Re #3: Not all of us are pretty. Otherwise I agree with your post.
@ Et Norsk Troll:
what, are you going to break out he lutefisk treatment instead?
@ taxfreekiller:
that is gonna change soon, at least in hope.
Just perused an open thread at the shithole from 2007. Easily 90% of those who commented are now blocked users. Chuck, you’re a schmuck.
coldwarrior wrote:
AAaaaaaaaahahaha!
Very funny, CW
Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
it was like a reverse enema. only the shit wasn’t evecuated
coldwarrior wrote:
!
Et Norsk Troll wrote:
see, now THAT is an evil treatment.
@ Bunk X:
AZ is headed in the right direction, and the people there are fed up with the Fed’s inaction when it comes to the porous borders.
I heard today a report on Gov. Brewer’s signing of that very tough immigration law that allows law enforcement to ask for proof of citizenship. She was asked by a reporter what an illegal alien looks like and replied, ‘I don’t know’.
Weak answer. It’s an easy task. If they speak a foreign language and can’t affirm patriotism to America then they are suspect and should be investigated. For our southern border it is a given that those who may be illegal come from Mexico or the counties south of it.
The PC crowd hates that Americans want the Fed to secure our borders and charge anyone with claims of profiling as racists.
Quote:”Please don’t let your justifiable anger at injustice poison your souls. Don’t become what those who hate us accuse us of being.”
With the utmost deference to the author of the above quote, these particular haters are in fact accusing us of being gutless punks, pussies, and incipient slaves. Indeed, I will never become what they accuse me of being, and shall prove it if compelled. Their behavior is that of bullies, and all bullies are cowards. Nothing gives me greater satisfaction than demonstrating this fact to those who prey on the weak.
I appreciate your concern for my soul, but my soul could never be poisoned by the legitimate defense of my person, my loved ones, and my way of life.
Lest you think I’m just another hothead, please consider the following quote from the Dalai Lama: “If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” -His Holiness Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama (May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times) speaking at the “Educating Heart Summit” in Portland, Oregon, when asked by a girl how to react when a shooter takes aim at a classmate.
I wouldn’t advocate plotting any kind of violence against this guy.
However, if I were out for coffee and happened to bring a Robert Spencer book along, and someone were to confront me about my reading material, I would be inclined to stand my ground. If said individual were to react badly to losing a verbal argument, say, by initiating violence… well, that’s not my fault.
@ Papa Rod:
@ George guy, Lizard-in-exile:
i stand with yinz on this.
@ Papa Rod:
ditto that
He’s a nerd. He needs attention. South Park is probably out of his league intellectually. lol
Not so funny, a creepy series that Frontline aired. Nauseating.
So ,someone sell this looser to an Afghani
Shit, isn’t this the guy who stated all homosexuals must die?
@ Et Norsk Troll:
How about ordering bacon towards this guy’s house!
@ song_and_dance_man:
they are all soooo worried about racial profiling. well, as one Arizona state legislator recently said, “illegal is not a race”.
Just an FYI: It is now 2:29 am EST. I cannnot get the Ironing thread to load past Rodan’s duran duran video comment. it is #125, but it says there are over 157 comments. What theheck is going on?
rodan screwed it all up with Duran Duran I think!
I don’t know whose around but if there are any tech experts awake? Why does safari keep shutting down when I try to get into the overnight thread?
Is it the 60′s or the ironing that my browser is objecting to?
If someone said the same thing about this prick that he said about Parker and Stone, the FBI would be on them like stink on shit. Addresses and phone numbers do no good when law enforcement is on the other side.
For those like you who believe everything you read, Zac (correct spelling) DOES NOT live in Centreville and DOES NOT live with his mother. Hence, Fox has altered its original article to omit the reference to him living with his mother. To those responsible for the article in this website, you must be proud of your journalistic integrity.
One bad apple don’t spoilethe whole bunch …
So please don’t lump “Zachary Adam Chesser” with all Muslims.
The Anti-Muslim attacks that are prevalent on these forums really make me angry. This thread has three purposes:
1) To debunk the prejudice, distortions and outright lies people here use to justify ethnic hatred.
2) To have one place to express my disgust, anger, revulsion for ethnic hatred that is being expressed in other threads. This includes pseudo-intelligent rationalisations of prejudice, to outright name calling.
3) To show that this kind of ethnic hatred (not the victims of it) are the cause of the worst atrocities that humanity has committed.
First the debunking…
There are several reasons people have put forward to justify their hatred of Islam as a religion, and Muslims in general.
1) Muslims are involved in more wars than any other religion. This is easily shown to not be true. In the current active wars, There is a major Christian involvement in conflicts in Columbia, Uganda, Congo, Senegal, Ivory Coast, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Chechnya. There is a major Muslim involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Aceh, Algeria, Somalia and Sudan. There are some wars (e.g. Nepal) that neither religion is involved in.
Of course one of the distortions used to support prejudice is to classify any war that contains a Muslim nation or interest as a “religious” war, and any war that waged by Christian nations as something else. This is obviously nonsense.
Muslims and Jews lived peacefully together for centuries before they started fighting over land. Yes… the conflict between Israel and Palestine is over land, even though religious rhetoric is being used by both sides.
2) The Muslim religion is intrinsically more violent than other religions. People support this prejudice by two means. They look at history, and they look at religious writings.
There are a couple of obvious fallacies to this argument. First of all, if you use the same means to judge almost any any religion you will get the same result. Christianity has certainly committed its share of barbarism, as have Hindus and Muslims. There are passages in the Jewish/Christian Bible that advocate killing “immoral” women and homosexuals. In the Bible, The Judeo-Christian God advocates the slaughter of men women and children after a military victory.
Of course, there are millions of Christians, Jews and Muslims who value their religion, don’t advocate murder and are normal people trying to live good peaceful lives.
Picking out one religion for slander, while ignoring the exact same traits in the other major religions, is hypocrisy.
) Muslims have committed more atrocities than other religions, both in the past and presently. People commit atrocities because they are evil people, not based on their religion. Religion has been used to advocate barbarism… but this is not necessary or relevant.
The most brutal atrocity committed in recent history was the genocide in Rwanda. Rwanda is 95% Christian and their is strong evidence that Churches not only stood by, but participated. Is there anyone who is pinning this atrocity on Christianity as a religion?
European anti-Semitism, which led to the Nazi horrors, and still persists today was part of Christianity. Martin Luther (the father of Protestantism) was famously anti-Semitic and blamed the Jews for murdering Jesus, and the Catholic led Inquisition was infamous for killings and forcible conversions of Jews.
Christians, Hindus and Muslims have all committed atrocities … both in the past and in recent times. Again singling out one religion is hypocrisy.
4) Muslims are only the religious group that advocates terrorism or other barbaric acts. Again it is very easy to show that this is not true. Many Christians in the United States explicitly advocate terrorism. The KKK is an overtly Christian group who committed their acts of terror– “in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.” The doctrine of a Christian based racial holy war is still prevalent in American Extreme Christian groups.
Of course not all Christians accept this, but is is the extreme. It is also true that there is a Spectrum of Christianity. Many Christians accept parts of the KKK message, for example gun-rights, the belief America chosen by God, and anti-immigrant beliefs, even though they reject the message.
Terrorism as warfare has been used in by many different groups– from the Irish, to the Basques to US supported anti-communist forces. The groups that turn to terrorism are the groups from a militarily inferior cause that they are desperate to win. The “Christian” west doesn’t need to use terrorism, and the militant forces in the Middle East, who unfortunately use religion but have a political cause, use terrorism the reasons any other group has in the past. Many Christian, Jewish and Hindu groups have used terrorist tactics and just as strident religious rhetoric as the terrorists.
I am not supporting terrorism. I am just saying that the religion is not to blame. We all oppose the actions of Al Qaida and we want to see them defeated.
The point is you don’t stop Al Qaida by attacking Muslims, any more than you stop the KKK by attacking Christians.
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I am not opposed to religion– although some are, and maybe based on the evidence I should be. I believe there are good people who find meaning in all religions. There are also extremists in each religion who use faith to justify barbaric acts.
But it is clear that when compared, no religion is clearly worse.
Why can’t we condemn people who do bad things– regardless of their religion– and accept the rights of the rest of us to live peaceful lives without facing ethnic hatred and prejudice?