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Shocka! Obama goes wobbly on Iran sanctions!

by Speranza ( 118 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Iran, Leftist-Islamic Alliance at April 29th, 2010 - 5:00 pm

I could see this coming a mile a way. Not only does the Cowardly Lion have no intention of confronting Iran militarily, he is afraid of them diplomatically and politically. His shadow Secretary of State, Samantha Power,  is a major proponent of the Neville Chamberlain/Lord Halifax policy of appeasement and frankly Obama wets his pants at the thought of confronting nations such as Iran, Syria, and North Korea. The scent of 1938 is in the air.

hat tip – Powerline

by Eli Lake

The Obama administration is pressing Congress to provide an exemption from Iran sanctions to companies based in “cooperating countries,” a move that likely would exempt Chinese and Russian concerns from penalties meant to discourage investment in Iran.

The Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act is in a House-Senate conference committee and is expected to reach President Obama’s desk by Memorial Day.

“It’s incredible the administration is asking for exemptions, under the table and winking and nodding, before the legislation is signed into law,” Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida Republican and a conference committee member, said in an interview. A White House official confirmed Wednesday that the administration was pushing the conference committee to adopt the exemption of “cooperating countries” in the legislation.

Read the rest here: White House seeks to soften Iran sanctions

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118 Responses to “Shocka! Obama goes wobbly on Iran sanctions!”
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  1. 1 | April 29, 2010 5:03 pm

    Why should we fear Iranian nuclear weapons? They are part of The peaceful religion, and just got elected to the U.N.’s Commission on the Status of Women.

    /

    H/t: Nevergiveup


  2. vagabond trader
    2 | April 29, 2010 5:06 pm

    The only action this guy feels comfortable with is bullying law abiding productive citizens.


  3. mawskrat
    3 | April 29, 2010 5:06 pm

    have any world problems been solved today?

    just do your little part is all we can do


  4. vagabond trader
    4 | April 29, 2010 5:06 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Travesty.


  5. vagabond trader
  6. 6 | April 29, 2010 5:11 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    This continued weakness towards the armies of Islam is not going unnoticed by the weed-roots in Western societies as the Muslims in the U.K. no longer fear the police, and its open season on Israeli Government Officials.


  7. snork
    7 | April 29, 2010 5:15 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    And illegals here don’t seem to fear either law enforcement or the citizenry.


  8. vagabond trader
    8 | April 29, 2010 5:16 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    This continued weakness towards the armies of Islam is not going unnoticed

    It certainly is not and these jihadis never stop no matter how nice the potus pets them.


  9. Nevergiveup
    9 | April 29, 2010 5:19 pm

    I can’t imagine what those dopes in the White House are thinking. But shit like this is pushing the Israelis to strike and strike hard and soon.


  10. 10 | April 29, 2010 5:21 pm

    @ snork:
    @ vagabond trader:

    From that story, I don’t understand why her security detail didn’t just take care of the thugs, but as far as the illegals and cops I know why. In LA when they did, it was the cops who got sued, and lost!


  11. vagabond trader
    12 | April 29, 2010 5:24 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Its going to get much worse. The muzz have been given the nod by their dhimmi neighbors.


  12. 13 | April 29, 2010 5:24 pm

    @ snork:


  13. Nevergiveup
    14 | April 29, 2010 5:26 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2010/ss_israel0350_04_28.asp

    There is no doubt they want to get rid of Bibi, but they have a very poor understanding of Israeli politics.


  14. Et Norsk Troll
    15 | April 29, 2010 5:28 pm

    “The scent stench of 1938 is in the air.”

    Fixed that fer ya, Speranza~!

    ;)

    ~Norsk Troll


  15. Nevergiveup
    16 | April 29, 2010 5:29 pm

    A quick aside:

    A federal jury is headed for a fourth day of deliberating the fate of a Tennessee college student accused of hacking into Sarah Palin’s e-mail account.

    The jury in Knoxville told the judge on Thursday that they are deadlocked on one charge but have reached unanimous decisions on three others. They adjourned in the afternoon and will return Friday.

    The jurors declined to announce their verdicts on charges of wire fraud, unauthorized access to a computer and obstruction of justice. The deadlocked charge is identity theft.

    Former University of Tennessee student David Kernell is charged with breaking into the e-mail while Palin was the Republican vice presidential candidate in 2008.

    The 22-year-old faces up to 50 years in prison if convicted of all charges.

    I hope they fry his ass


  16. 17 | April 29, 2010 5:30 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    They are morons either way! It wasn’t Bibi who stopped Ehud and Tzipi from closing a deal with the Arabs, but the Arabs themselves. The Administration, despite their misunderstanding of present Israeli politics, has the entire situation backwards. Evn if they get the Kapos of Kadima back into office it does nothing to change the attitude of the enemy which is one of rejectionism.

    I was once (not too long ago actually) a very verbose supporter of a “two-State” solution, and negotiations with the Phakestinians, but it was this type of thinking – presently being expressed by Obama & Shmos that pushed me further to the Right. I guess for that I should be thankful.

    I hope that if they do weaken Bibi, that they get Feiglin and Marzel as a result.


  17. Nevergiveup
    18 | April 29, 2010 5:30 pm

    Et Norsk Troll wrote:

    “The scent stench of 1938 is in the air.”

    Fixed that fer ya, Speranza~!

    ~Norsk Troll

    Yup. And we are all going to pay the price because 52% of the people in this country are morons. The bill is gonna come due.


  18. vagabond trader
    19 | April 29, 2010 5:30 pm

    Notice how he loves using committees,commissions, panels and other collective devices for advice and decision making? Completely incapable of making a decision and taking responsibility for it.


  19. chickadee
    20 | April 29, 2010 5:30 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    The only action this guy feels comfortable with is bullying law abiding productive citizens.

    He feels safe doing that. He thinks they won’t hit back.
    His luck is going to run out.
    I think Az is going to be an inspiration for other states to stand up and protect their citizens.

    Rush said the other day that if zero went after the enemy like he does his own people and our allies, we could see a lot of problems solved.


  20. vagabond trader
    21 | April 29, 2010 5:32 pm

    @ chickadee:

    No wonder I like Rush.Maybe he reads us? :-)


  21. Nevergiveup
    22 | April 29, 2010 5:34 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    I hope that if they do weaken Bibi, that they get Feiglin and Marzel as a result.

    While I don’t wish for feiglin/Marzel, you are right. They have no idea what they are doing. The Israeli “Right” has a pretty good lock on 30-40% of the vote and the “Left” really has no chance at this point. But Obama and his ilk don’t know what the fuck they are doing or the forces they may unleash


  22. vagabond trader
    23 | April 29, 2010 5:34 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Hope they nail his pampered arse!After a couple of years in the federal pen lets see what a big keyboard warrior he is.


  23. myselfandi
    24 | April 29, 2010 5:36 pm

    lots of work accidents waiting to happen in Iran. The reason chernobyl blew was because the Russians were experimenting by taking the cooling rods out of the reactor. What will happen when the hardcore Mullahs have control over something they do not understand. Military warlords WILL gain control of the nuke facilities and will probably turn the desert into glass. and of course, we will be blamed.


  24. Nevergiveup
    25 | April 29, 2010 5:37 pm

    00:30 El Al pulls out of deal to buy four Boeing planes (Army Radio)

    Anybody know anything about this??


  25. 26 | April 29, 2010 5:37 pm

    Obama isn’t wobbly on Iran Sanctions. He’s never been serious about them to begin with. He couldn’t run on “Islamic Bomb! Score! Go Muslims, go muslims! Waaa Hoo!”, so he talked about sanctions. Until it was time to let them drop.


  26. chickadee
    27 | April 29, 2010 5:38 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    No wonder I like Rush.Maybe he reads us?

    I like him too. He has such a great sense of humor. And takes a lot of hits for the the team.


  27. Et Norsk Troll
    28 | April 29, 2010 5:42 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Et Norsk Troll wrote:
    “The scent stench of 1938 is in the air.”
    Fixed that fer ya, Speranza~!
    ~Norsk Troll

    Yup. And we are all going to pay the price because 52% of the people in this country are morons. The bill is gonna come due.

    Obama is just the symptom of the caner that is killing America: the individuals who voted for him and the ideology they cherish & believe in.

    Even if you were rid of Obama some how, these individuals would pine for another one like him.

    We need to change the thinking of the voting populace….!

    And we better do it fairly soon.

    :(


  28. chickadee
    29 | April 29, 2010 5:43 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    No wonder I like Rush.Maybe he reads us?

    Also when zero announced we should stop listening to him, I made a personal commitment to NEVER miss his show.
    LOL


  29. Nevergiveup
    30 | April 29, 2010 5:44 pm

    Et Norsk Troll wrote:

    We need to change the thinking of the voting populace….!

    And we better do it fairly soon.

    yeah your right. I remember in High School that ya took people behind the gym after school ended to change their thinking.


  30. vagabond trader
    31 | April 29, 2010 5:46 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Yeah and lets hope 0 keeps stumping for all his D pals,the reverse midas touch in action. :mrgreen


  31. 32 | April 29, 2010 5:47 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Ah come on now, you might not realize it but you’d love a Feiglin/Marzel ticket.


  32. chickadee
    33 | April 29, 2010 5:47 pm

    myselfandi wrote:

    lots of work accidents waiting to happen in Iran. The reason chernobyl blew was because the Russians were experimenting by taking the cooling rods out of the reactor. What will happen when the hardcore Mullahs have control over something they do not understand. Military warlords WILL gain control of the nuke facilities and will probably turn the desert into glass. and of course, we will be blamed.

    Very good points. They are stone age barbarians with nuclear weapons. Anything could happen.


  33. Nevergiveup
    34 | April 29, 2010 5:48 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Ah come on now, you might not realize it but you’d love a Feiglin/Marzel ticket.

    Hey I’m agreeing with the main thrust of your argument, don’t push your luck!
    /


  34. vagabond trader
    35 | April 29, 2010 5:50 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Its horrifying. How could anyone who is not a member of the satanic cult believe Iran having nukes is a good idea.Looks like its up to G-d and or Israel.


  35. snork
    36 | April 29, 2010 5:51 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE63S2MN20100429?type=marketsNews

    Boeing’s commercial backlogs are pretty good, considering, but this isn’t a good indicator of Israel’s tourism expectations. The 777s are wide bodies.


  36. myselfandi
    37 | April 29, 2010 5:53 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    Why should we fear Iranian nuclear weapons? They are part of The peaceful religion, and just got elected to the U.N.’s Commission on the Status of Women.
    /
    H/t: Nevergiveup

    bone for the dog not getting on the Human Rights Counsel


  37. Et Norsk Troll
    38 | April 29, 2010 5:54 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:
    I remember in High School that ya took people behind the gym after school ended to change their thinking.

    The Bible says that: “Though you grind a fool to powder, yet you will still not remove the foolishness from him”

    We need another approach, it seems, according to the Bible…..


  38. 39 | April 29, 2010 5:54 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Looks like its up to G-d and or Israel.

    When is it not?


  39. 40 | April 29, 2010 5:54 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Bush should of leveled them in 2007. Only the US has the means to cripple Iran, but don’t expect it with this 3rd Worlder.


  40. Nevergiveup
    41 | April 29, 2010 5:57 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE63S2MN20100429?type=marketsNews

    Boeing’s commercial backlogs are pretty good, considering, but this isn’t a good indicator of Israel’s tourism expectations. The 777s are wide bodies.

    yeah I like the 777′s better than the older 747′s. I wasn’t sure if it was because of buissness or a jab at obama for fucking Israel. They do have option of turning to Airbus, which I would hate to see, but actually Airbus got the original contract until the Bush Admin ask them nicely to change their minds.


  41. vagabond trader
    42 | April 29, 2010 5:58 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I always thought when we went into the sandbox maybe they got the names Iran and Iraq mixed up?


  42. Nevergiveup
    43 | April 29, 2010 5:58 pm

    Et Norsk Troll wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:
    I remember in High School that ya took people behind the gym after school ended to change their thinking.

    The Bible says that: “Though you grind a fool to powder, yet you will still not remove the foolishness from him”

    We need another approach, it seems, according to the Bible…..

    Well the Bible can take the high road, I’ll take the low road and we’ll see who gets the job done first?


  43. RIX
    44 | April 29, 2010 5:59 pm

    This appeasement should not surprise anybody.
    He gave a shout out to the Mullahs shortly after he took office.
    He supported the thugs against the will of Iranians protesting for freedom.
    Only after he got hammered did he offer even tepid support for the
    demonstrators.
    He digs Muslims & Socialists, everyday Americans, not so much.


  44. 45 | April 29, 2010 6:00 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    It should of been The Saudis and Iranians we hit.


  45. 46 | April 29, 2010 6:02 pm

    @ RIX:

    The World World Liberation types are allied with Islam.


  46. snork
    47 | April 29, 2010 6:02 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I don’t know if they want to have to support maintenance and training for two manufacturers. And the article said they were losing lots of money.

    They may wait for better times and then get in line for the 787. It’s a better bird.


  47. 48 | April 29, 2010 6:03 pm

    @ RIX:

    The New Left’s strategy was to align their movement with 3rd world natives in a struggle against the international Capitalist ruling structure. Ultimately to bring Capitalism down and replace it with a “workers” socialist system. Their main enemies were Banks, Wall Street, Corporations, and American Industry.

    Sound familiar?


  48. Et Norsk Troll
    49 | April 29, 2010 6:03 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Well–the Bible can take the high road, I’ll take the low road and we’ll see who gets the job done first?

    As a matter of note: God has never failed and His way is perfect….

    How does the “low road” stack up against that kind of record?

    I’ll take the method that has a perfect record over any other, any day of the week.

    ;)


  49. Nevergiveup
    50 | April 29, 2010 6:04 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I don’t know if they want to have to support maintenance and training for two manufacturers. And the article said they were losing lots of money.

    They may wait for better times and then get in line for the 787. It’s a better bird.

    Yes that is what I would do, but Airbus did win the original contact. They must have made Israel an offer that they almost could not refuse?


  50. 51 | April 29, 2010 6:05 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Exactly what Obama is doing.


  51. Nevergiveup
    52 | April 29, 2010 6:05 pm

    Et Norsk Troll wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Well–the Bible can take the high road, I’ll take the low road and we’ll see who gets the job done first?

    As a matter of note: God has never failed and His way is perfect….

    How does the “low road” stack up against that kind of record?

    I’ll take the method that has a perfect record over any other, any day of the week.

    Well nobody is stopping G-D and the Bible. But there is not reason not to have an alternate plan in place just in case now.


  52. RIX
    53 | April 29, 2010 6:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    The World World Liberation types are allied with Islam

    .

    Right, the see us as a common enemy.


  53. 54 | April 29, 2010 6:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Exactly what Obama is doing.

    ding, ding, ding! :)


  54. RIX
    55 | April 29, 2010 6:08 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:
    Yeah, I think that we put that guy in the White House.


  55. 56 | April 29, 2010 6:09 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    It’s official, the US Navy allows WOmen on Submarines. I think it took effect Midnight last night.


  56. vagabond trader
    57 | April 29, 2010 6:10 pm

    OT,Dang this doesn’t sound good. Be prepared for more demagoguing against big oil this time.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36850248/ns/us_news-environment/


  57. RIX
    58 | April 29, 2010 6:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    It’s official, the US Navy allows WOmen on Submarines. I think it took effect Midnight last night.

    What could go wrong?


  58. Nevergiveup
    59 | April 29, 2010 6:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    It’s official, the US Navy allows WOmen on Submarines. I think it took effect Midnight last night.

    Yeah I know. I saw diapers on sale in the Uniform Store the other day.


  59. vagabond trader
    60 | April 29, 2010 6:11 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Ridiculous.


  60. 61 | April 29, 2010 6:12 pm

    @ RIX:

    The New Left
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left

    In the United States, the “New Left” was the name loosely associated with liberal, sometimes radical, political movements that took place during the 1960s, primarily among college students. At the core of this was the Students for a Democratic Society, or SDS[5]. The New Left can be defined as ‘a loosely organised, mostly financially well off white student movement that promoted participatory democracy, crusaded for civil rights and various types of university reforms and protested against the Vietnam war.’[6]

    The term “New Left” was popularised in the US in an open letter written in 1960 by sociologist C. Wright Mills entitled Letter to the New Left[7]. Mills argued for a new leftist ideology, moving away from the traditional (“Old Left”) focus on labor issues, towards issues such as opposing alienation, anomie, and authoritarianism. Mills argued for a shift from traditional leftism, toward the values of the counter-culture. According to David Burner, C Wright Mills claimed that the proletariat were no longer the revolutionary force, the new agent of revolutionary change were young intellectuals around the world.[8]

    The New Left opposed what it saw as the prevailing authority structures in society, which it termed “The Establishment”, and those who rejected this authority became known as “anti-Establishment.” The New Left did not seek to recruit industrial workers, but rather concentrated on a social activist approach to organization, convinced that they could be the source for a better kind of social revolution.

    Most New Left thinkers in the U.S. were influenced by the Vietnam War and the Chinese Cultural Revolution. … Some in the U.S. New Left argued that since the Soviet Union could no longer be considered the world center for proletarian revolution, new revolutionary Communist thinkers had to be substituted in its place, such as Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh and Fidel Castro.

    Other elements of the U.S. New Left were anarchist and looked to libertarian socialist traditions of American radicalism, the Industrial Workers of the World and union militancy. This group coalesced around the historical journal Radical America. American Autonomist Marxism was also a child of this stream, for instance in the thought of Harry Cleaver. Murray Bookchin and Noam Chomsky were also part of the anarchist stream of the New Left…

    It could be argued that the New Left’s most successful legacy was the rebirth of feminism…

    Students for a Democratic Society

    The organization that really came to symbolize the core of the New Left was the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). By 1962, the SDS had emerged as the most important of the new campus radical groups; soon it would be regarded as virtually synonymous with the ‘New Left’

    In 1968 and 1969, as its radicalism reached a fever pitch, the SDS began to split under the strain of internal dissension and increasing turn towards Maoism. Along with adherents known as the New Communist Movement, some extremist illegal factions also emerged, such as the Weather Underground Organization.

    International movements

    The Prague Spring was legitimized by the Czech government as a socialist reform movement. The 1968 events in the Czech Republic were driven forward by industrial workers, and were explicitly theorized by active Czech unionists as a revolution for workers’ control.

    OBAMA SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED, AND ADMIRED THE “PRAGUE SPRING” IN HIS SPEECH TO CZECH REPUBLIC AFTER THE ELECTION.
    http://prague.usembassy.gov/obama.html

    “We are here today because enough people ignored the voices who told them that the world could not change.

    We are here today because of the courage of those who stood up – and took risks – to say that freedom is a right for all people, no matter what side of a wall they live on, and no matter what they look like.

    We are here today because of the Prague Spring – because the simple and principled pursuit of liberty and opportunity shamed those who relied on the power of tanks and arms to put down the will of the people.

    To renew our prosperity, we need action coordinated across borders. That means investments to create new jobs. That means resisting the walls of protectionism that stand in the way of growth. That means a change in our financial system, with new rules to prevent abuse and future crisis


  61. vagabond trader
    62 | April 29, 2010 6:14 pm

    Bunning is a piece of work. :-)

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/36524.html#ixzz0mSqXJZ8v


  62. snork
    63 | April 29, 2010 6:15 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Swamp already jumped on that. Yes, it’s not good, but to compare what can happen in the open gulf to what happened in the Prince William Sound is ridiculous.


  63. snork
    64 | April 29, 2010 6:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    It’s official, the US Navy allows WOmen on Submarines. I think it took effect Midnight last night.

    If they get raped, it’s white man’s fault.


  64. 65 | April 29, 2010 6:17 pm

    EVOLUTION OF WEATHER UNDERGROUND, NEW LEFT to PROGRESSIVE
    Prairie Fire 1974

    With the help from ultra-leftist (expelled from the Communist Party) Clayton Van Lydegraf, the Weather Underground sought a more Marxist-Leninist ideological approach to the post-Vietnam reality.[78] The leading members of the Weather Underground (Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Jeff Jones, and Celia Sojourn) collaborated on ideas and published their manifesto: “Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism.”[17] The name came from a quote by Mao Zedong, “a single spark can set a prairie fire.” By the summer of 1974, five thousand copies had surfaced in coffee houses and bookstores across America. Leftist newspapers praised the manifesto.[79] Abbie Hoffman publicly praised Prairie Fire and believed every American should be given a copy.[80] The manifesto’s influence initiated the formation of the “Prairie Fire Organizing Committee” in several American cities. Hundreds of above-ground activists helped further the new political vision of the Weather Underground.[79] As the following quote demonstrates the manifesto called for the violent overthrow of the US government and the establishment of a socialist dictatorship.

    “The only path to the final defeat of imperialism and the building of socialism is revolutionary war.”… “Socialism is the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the eradication of the social system based on profit.”… Revolutionary war will be complicated and protracted…. It includes mass struggle and clandestine struggle, peaceful and violent, political and economic, cultural and military, where all forms are developed in harmony with the armed struggle. Without mass struggle there can be no revolution. Without armed struggle there can be no victory.”[81]

    _____________________________

    And where we might be seeing the results today…
    The role of the clandestine organization would be to build the “consciousness of action” and prepare the way for the development of a people’s militia. Concurrently, the role of the mass movement (i.e., above ground Praire Fire collective) would include support for, and encouragement of, armed action. Such an alliance would, according to Weather, “help create the ‘sea’ for the guerrillas to swim in.” [82]

    According to Bill Ayers in the late 1970s, the Weatherman group further split into two factions — the May 19th Communist Organization and the “Prairie Fire Collective” — with Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers in the latter. The Prairie Fire Collective favored coming out of hiding and establishing an above ground revolutionary mass movement. With most WUO members facing the limited criminal charges (most charges had been dropped by the government in 1973) against them creating an above ground organization was more feasible…. The Prairie Fire Collective faction started to surrender to the authorities from the late 1970s to the early 1980s. The remaining Weather Underground members continued to attack US institutions.
    The conference increased divisions within the Weather Underground. East coast members favored a commitment to violence and challenged commitments of old leaders, Bernardine Dohrn, Bill Ayers and Jeff Jones. These older members found they were no longer liable for federal prosecution because of illegal wire taps and the government’s unwillingness to reveal sources and methods favored a strategy of inversion where they would be above ground “revolutionary leaders”.


  65. vagabond trader
    66 | April 29, 2010 6:17 pm

    @ snork:

    I thought so but it won’t stop the environuts and the faux promise to drill is done.Wonder what caused it,an explosion I read. Hmmmmm.


  66. song_and_dance_man
    67 | April 29, 2010 6:21 pm

    This angle may have been submitted already, but anyway, here it is.

    It has less to do with cowardice and more with throwing Israel under the bus.


  67. snork
    68 | April 29, 2010 6:21 pm

    206 LudwigVanQuixote
    Thu, Apr 29, 2010 2:33:41pm

    re: #134 reine.de.tout

    I’m happy for him and his family that they can live so comfortably.

    But don’t lecture me because I drive a Lincoln.

    OK that’s fine. I don’t drive a Lincoln and the science tells you that driving one is a bad thing.

    I don’t mean to be an ass about it, but I will lecture you. The factis that if a hummer owner talked about all the ways we waste fossil fuels and contribute to a huge footprint, he would still be correct.

    And I don’t drive a hummer either.

    Actually, yes you do mean to be an ass.


  68. RIX
    69 | April 29, 2010 6:21 pm

    WrathofG-d
    61 | April 29, 2010 18:12

    Good post. Obama is definitely schooled in New Left thinking , from Alinsky to Ayres etal & then throw in a helping of Islamic sympathies & we have one weird duck running the show.


  69. song_and_dance_man
    70 | April 29, 2010 6:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    It’s official, the US Navy allows WOmen on Submarines. I think it took effect Midnight last night.

    And I guess now they will have to be called seapeople. Well there goes another old joke.


  70. RIX
    71 | April 29, 2010 6:25 pm

    Speaking of Leftist thought,

    Detectives in Antarctica

    Images | Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:48:41 pm PDT

    TampaBay.com’s All Eyes blog has striking photos from a National Science Foundation expedition to Antarctica. The group is researching the disappearance of a key part of the food chain, the Antarctic silverfish, from areas in which they used to be plentiful (possibly due to global warming)

    See “Possibly’ Caused by Global warming, or maybe not. Maybe Beck & Palin poisoned all of those innocent fish.


  71. song_and_dance_man
    72 | April 29, 2010 6:26 pm

    @ snork:

    Not to worry. B. Hussein said that he wants to expand off shore drilling.


  72. 73 | April 29, 2010 6:27 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ snork:
    Not to worry. B. Hussein said that he wants to expand off shore drilling.

    ONLY in places where there is no oil.


  73. 74 | April 29, 2010 6:29 pm

    OT (but maybe not)

    So bible thumping gun clingers; know anything about this stuff?


  74. snork
    75 | April 29, 2010 6:30 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    And I guess now they will have to be called seapeople. Well there goes another old joke.

    Oh noes!!! Seapeoples!!!!


  75. snork
    76 | April 29, 2010 6:32 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Speaking of Leftist thought,

    Detectives in Antarctica

    Images | Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:48:41 pm PDT

    TampaBay.com’s All Eyes blog has striking photos from a National Science Foundation expedition to Antarctica. The group is researching the disappearance of a key part of the food chain, the Antarctic silverfish, from areas in which they used to be plentiful (possibly due to global warming)

    See “Possibly’ Caused by Global warming, or maybe not. Maybe Beck & Palin poisoned all of those innocent fish.

    I thought silverfish were those nasty bugs you don’t wanna get.


  76. Nikis Knight
    77 | April 29, 2010 6:34 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I don’t think that guy should be in jail for 50 years. He doesn’t threaten anyone physically.
    I think we need to bring back public flogging or the stocks, to have some sort of feared non-incarceration punishment.


  77. 78 | April 29, 2010 6:38 pm

    @ WrathofG-d:

    Don’t you get the catalogue?

    Also see http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/default.asp


  78. snork
    79 | April 29, 2010 6:38 pm

    IDIOTS!!!!!!!

    6 LudwigVanQuixote
    Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:05:08pm

    re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

    The change in the oceans salinity due to more liquid water is something we’re just now beginning to consider. How species react to this is going to be very important.

    Actually this has been a major concern in the literature for some time. It is only recently that the MSM has picked up on how much very serious damage to the seas we are doing.

    There are very many bad effects to this. Changes in salinity also change currents. The shut down of thermohaline conveyors will have drastic effects on many species, including land life – including us – by shifting global weather patterns.

    Another giant issue is acidification of the oceans and resulting ocean anoxia. What people fail to recognize is that ocean anoxia means not enough oxygen in the oceans to support no photosynthsizers and that ocean acidity kills photosythesizers. We are literally talking about processes that will wipe out many species in the oceans – things that we like and depend on and could eventually lead to no life larger than microbes in most parts of the sea.

    People need to understand not that the ecosphere is fragile, but rather, even though it is hard to break, we are breaking it right now and that once it is broken it will take millions of years to fix.

    Has anyone actually, like, measured salinity???????

    The stupid. It burns like 5 alarm chili coming out the tailpipe.


  79. song_and_dance_man
    80 | April 29, 2010 6:39 pm

    snork wrote:

    Oh noes!!! Seapeoples!!!!

    It’s going to really mess with the navy vernacular. Women can’t be called sailors since in the navy they are waves, but as a collective they are called seamen. But that is the least of the Navy’s problem, what, with the need for his and hers everything, on a sub, when it’s important.


  80. snork
    81 | April 29, 2010 6:42 pm

    Oh noes!!!! More five-star stupid:

    51 Obdicut
    Thu, Apr 29, 2010 1:34:51pm

    re: #41 HoosierHoops

    Al Gore is largely irrelevant. To the extent that he is not, he has produced some excellent, accessible resources of information on AGW. He also is a rich dude who acts like a rich dude, but unlike other rich dudes, he has actually spent a fortune converting his house into one that’s a model of green technology.

    I wish the face of AGW was a scientist, not Gore. But in the end, it probably had to be some rich guy, and he’s the one.

    He has no relevance to the actual science, except that he’s done a very good job of presenting it in a few different formats.

    Yikes. It’s still a pig compared to the Bush ranch.

    I gotta stop looking at that site. The stupid is on acid tonight.


  81. myselfandi
    82 | April 29, 2010 6:43 pm

    o/t did anyone ever find out who got the boot this morning?


  82. song_and_dance_man
    83 | April 29, 2010 6:44 pm

    @ snork:

    It’s queer how the ‘evolution scientists’ over there object to more liquefied water. The dichotomy is life sprang from water and now more water is detrimental to life.

    Apparently, you CAN have your fruit and water and eat it too.


  83. snork
    84 | April 29, 2010 6:44 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Rub-a-dub-dub, all those wimmins in a sub. Sound like fun to me.


  84. 85 | April 29, 2010 6:45 pm

    @ BenZacharia:

    Nope don’t get it, but after a review they do have my favorite type of round. That being said, I think the deal above is still better as long as it is proper rounds.


  85. RIX
    86 | April 29, 2010 6:45 pm

    snork
    76 | April 29, 2010 18:32
    I thought silverfish were those nasty bugs you don’t wanna get.

    That’s what I thought too, but apparently they are highly regarded missing fish in the Arctic.
    I am really surprised that C suspects Global Warming, it’s not
    like him


  86. snork
    87 | April 29, 2010 6:45 pm

    @ myselfandi:
    Chuckles finally figured out that when he deleted comments, the name stated there in invisible text. Now he deletes the name. I suspect it was a sock, based on downthread comments.


  87. RIX
    88 | April 29, 2010 6:47 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Rub-a-dub-dub, all those wimmins in a sub. Sound like fun to me

    .

    Up periscope!


  88. snork
    89 | April 29, 2010 6:47 pm

    RIX wrote:

    snork
    76 | April 29, 2010 18:32
    I thought silverfish were those nasty bugs you don’t wanna get.

    That’s what I thought too, but apparently they are highly regarded missing fish in the Arctic.
    I am really surprised that C suspects Global Warming, it’s not
    like him

    Look what he filed it under.

    Tags: Global Warming, Science, AGW, Climate Change, Antarctica, Photographs, National Science Foundation

    So he’s not sure, but…


  89. myselfandi
    90 | April 29, 2010 6:47 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    snork wrote:
    Oh noes!!! Seapeoples!!!!
    It’s going to really mess with the navy vernacular. Women can’t be called sailors since in the navy they are waves, but as a collective they are called seamen. But that is the least of the Navy’s problem, what, with the need for his and hers everything, on a sub, when it’s important.

    Sub personnel have always had to be within a certain height and weight due to the close quarters. Women were never allowed on board because the phenomenal cosmic power came with a ‘itty bitty living space” As a female, I would have loved to go into the navy and be on a sub but I also realize that the restrictions were there for a purpose.


  90. myselfandi
    91 | April 29, 2010 6:48 pm

    RIX wrote:

    snork
    76 | April 29, 2010 18:32
    I thought silverfish were those nasty bugs you don’t wanna get.
    That’s what I thought too, but apparently they are highly regarded missing fish in the Arctic.
    I am really surprised that C suspects Global Warming, it’s not
    like him

    I can send some from a warehouse downtown.


  91. Nikis Knight
    92 | April 29, 2010 6:51 pm

    @ snork:
    Why would humnans care about the food chain in Antartica? And if the fish who love cold die off, the fish who like almost cold, in lattitudes just north of the Antartic, can move it.

    These guys believe in evolution, but it is a rather weak sort of faith.


  92. myselfandi
    93 | April 29, 2010 6:52 pm

    WrathofG-d wrote:

    OT (but maybe not)
    So bible thumping gun clingers; know anything about this stuff?

    them’s pretty


  93. RIX
    94 | April 29, 2010 6:53 pm

    snork
    81 | April 29, 2010 18:42

    Oh noes!!!! More five-star stupid

    Try this one,

    2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:54:23pm replyquote

    * 4
    * down
    * up
    * report

    2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:54:23pm replyquote

    * 4
    * down
    * up
    * report

    The change in the oceans salinity due to more liquid water is something we’re just now beginning to consider. How species react to this is going to be very important

    .

    The dreaded ‘liquid” water.


  94. myselfandi
    95 | April 29, 2010 6:54 pm

    Nikis Knight wrote:

    @ snork:
    Why would humnans care about the food chain in Antartica? And if the fish who love cold die off, the fish who like almost cold, in lattitudes just north of the Antartic, can move it.
    These guys believe in evolution, but it is a rather weak sort of faith.

    they’re mental connections are still evolving, they need to get HHS in to see if the neighborhood can be revitalized.


  95. 96 | April 29, 2010 6:56 pm

    @ myselfandi:

    The pen; as might a sword.


  96. song_and_dance_man
    97 | April 29, 2010 6:56 pm

    @ myselfandi:

    And the restrictions make sense. Introducing men and women in close quarters always leads to a party no matter the discipline.


  97. RIX
    98 | April 29, 2010 6:57 pm

    See ya


  98. lobo91
    99 | April 29, 2010 6:58 pm

    @ myselfandi:

    Sub personnel have always had to be within a certain height and weight due to the close quarters. Women were never allowed on board because the phenomenal cosmic power came with a ‘itty bitty living space” As a female, I would have loved to go into the navy and be on a sub but I also realize that the restrictions were there for a purpose

    There’s also the phenomenal cost involved in modifying existing subs in order to provide separate living quarters for women.

    It’s not like adding a bathroom on to your house, after all…


  99. chickadee
    100 | April 29, 2010 6:59 pm

    RIX wrote:

    snork
    81 | April 29, 2010 18:42

    Oh noes!!!! More five-star stupid

    Try this one,

    2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:54:23pm replyquote

    * 4
    * down
    * up
    * report

    2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Thu, Apr 29, 2010 12:54:23pm replyquote

    * 4
    * down
    * up
    * report

    The change in the oceans salinity due to more liquid water is something we’re just now beginning to consider. How species react to this is going to be very important

    .

    The dreaded ‘liquid” water.

    I never liked the term “rotten ice.”
    Any phony thing they can come up with to cast fake aspersions over nothing out of the ordinary.


  100. song_and_dance_man
    101 | April 29, 2010 6:59 pm

    @ RIX:

    The dreaded ‘liquid water’ is code for ice melting and AGW being the cause for more of it. As I mentioned earlier, one would think the Dawkinist over there would be delighted, since life springs from water.


  101. 103 | April 29, 2010 7:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Ugh you sexists! Stop trying to figure out the details! Don’t you know there is a message to send here!
    /

    All joking aside, there is only 1 questions the armed forces should ask when it comes to changes in our military, and that is “is it going to help us win wars”.

    Leave the social experiments to society.


  102. Nevergiveup
    104 | April 29, 2010 7:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ myselfandi:

    Sub personnel have always had to be within a certain height and weight due to the close quarters. Women were never allowed on board because the phenomenal cosmic power came with a ‘itty bitty living space” As a female, I would have loved to go into the navy and be on a sub but I also realize that the restrictions were there for a purpose

    There’s also the phenomenal cost involved in modifying existing subs in order to provide separate living quarters for women.

    It’s not like adding a bathroom on to your house, after all…

    Well although I am against this stupid social experiment, the cost actually will not be all that phenomenal at first. Remember they are only talking about putting the women on Boomers. the quarters are easier to give a room or 2 to women and one head facility. Now if they extend that to attack subs, all bets are off.


  103. song_and_dance_man
    105 | April 29, 2010 7:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That was the point I made, although less expansive, about the logistics of allowing it. The way the sub is quartered will have to change.


  104. Nevergiveup
    106 | April 29, 2010 7:07 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    That was the point I made, although less expansive, about the logistics of allowing it. The way the sub is quartered will have to change.

    Not so much in Trident Missile boats


  105. lobo91
    107 | April 29, 2010 7:08 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Well although I am against this stupid social experiment, the cost actually will not be all that phenomenal at first. Remember they are only talking about putting the women on Boomers. the quarters are easier to give a room or 2 to women and one head facility. Now if they extend that to attack subs, all bets are off.

    I hope it works out better than the original push to put women into fighter cockpits did for the Navy.

    We studied that fiasco in one of my Public Admin classes as a case study in how not to run an organization.

    Google “Kara Hultgreen”


  106. Nevergiveup
    108 | April 29, 2010 7:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Well although I am against this stupid social experiment, the cost actually will not be all that phenomenal at first. Remember they are only talking about putting the women on Boomers. the quarters are easier to give a room or 2 to women and one head facility. Now if they extend that to attack subs, all bets are off.

    I hope it works out better than the original push to put women into fighter cockpits did for the Navy.

    We studied that fiasco in one of my Public Admin classes as a case study in how not to run an organization.

    Google “Kara Hultgreen”

    yeah I heard about that. As I said I am against this. But the start up cost will not be extravagant. I just don’t see how it makes us a better fighting force. And that is all that matters after all.


  107. snork
    109 | April 29, 2010 7:14 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    The way the sub is quartered will have to change.

    Which is a majorly expensive proposition.


  108. lobo91
    110 | April 29, 2010 7:16 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    yeah I heard about that. As I said I am against this. But the start up cost will not be extravagant. I just don’t see how it makes us a better fighting force. And that is all that matters after all.

    Well, as long as they’re only going to experiment with subs carrying enough firepower to eliminate most life on the planet, I guess it’s okay.

    //


  109. Nevergiveup
    111 | April 29, 2010 7:17 pm

    snork wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    The way the sub is quartered will have to change.

    Which is a majorly expensive proposition.

    Not really


  110. Nevergiveup
    112 | April 29, 2010 7:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    yeah I heard about that. As I said I am against this. But the start up cost will not be extravagant. I just don’t see how it makes us a better fighting force. And that is all that matters after all.

    Well, as long as they’re only going to experiment with subs carrying enough firepower to eliminate most life on the planet, I guess it’s okay.

    //

    yeah what could possibly go wrong?????


  111. lobo91
    113 | April 29, 2010 7:23 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I would imagine that it’s going to be awhile before any women are actually assigned to sub crews, anyway.

    Don’t they have to train some first? Most positions in a sub crew are specific to subs, aren’t they?


  112. Nevergiveup
    114 | April 29, 2010 7:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I would imagine that it’s going to be awhile before any women are actually assigned to sub crews, anyway.

    Don’t they have to train some first? Most positions in a sub crew are specific to subs, aren’t they?

    Yes- 2012 is the projected date


  113. 115 | April 29, 2010 7:25 pm


  114. lobo91
    116 | April 29, 2010 7:28 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I wonder if they’re going to go after the Army next?

    Someone’s going to figure out that no woman will ever be chief of staff the way things are now, since it’s always someone with a combat arms background.


  115. song_and_dance_man
    117 | April 29, 2010 7:36 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I’m far from knowing how the navy works when it comes to subs, but iirc some subs are out at sea for months at a time. The problem I see is if men and women are closely quartered, there is a chance for hanky panky. And as I said before, the human need for what men and women do may outweigh the training and discipline. The idea begs for, and introduces, more instances where problems can arise that need not be there.


  116. lobo91
    118 | April 29, 2010 7:47 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    The Ohio class subs stay on patrol for about 90 days at a time, almost all of it submerged.


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