The top 10 dumbest things said about the Arizona immigration law
by Byron York
The last few days have seen an extraordinary outburst of criticism of Arizona’s new immigration law. In the nation’s elite media outlets, its most respected commentators are portraying the law as an act of police-state repression. Many, if not all, of the specific criticisms can be refuted simply by reading the law itself, but others are more generalized criticisms of immigration enforcement. In any event, it’s hard to choose the most over-the-top and wrongheaded commentary on the law, but here are ten choices, in no particular order. (If you don’t know why a particular statement is wrong, you can check here, and here, and here, and here.)
1. “The statute requires police officers to stop and question anyone who looks like an illegal immigrant.”
2. “As the Arizona abomination makes clear, there is a desperate need for federal immigration action to stop the country from turning into a nation of vigilantes suspicious of anybody with dark skin.”
– Dana Milbank, Washington Post
3. “I can’t imagine Arizonans now reverting to German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques whereby people are required to turn one another in to the authorities on any suspicion of documentation.”
4. “This law creates a suspect class, based in part on ethnicity, considered guilty until they prove themselves innocent. It makes it harder for illegal immigrants to live without scrutiny — but it also makes it harder for some American citizens to live without suspicion and humiliation. Americans are not accustomed to the command ‘Your papers, please,’ however politely delivered. The distinctly American response to such a request would be ‘Go to hell,’ and then ‘See you in court.’”
– Michael Gerson, Washington Post
5. “In case the phrase ‘lawful contact’ makes it appear as if the police are authorized to act only if they observe an undocumented-looking person actually committing a crime, another section strips the statute of even that fig leaf of reassurance. ‘A person is guilty of trespassing,’ the law provides, by being ‘present on any public or private land in this state’ while lacking authorization to be in the United States — a new crime of breathing while undocumented.”
– Linda Greenhouse, New York Times
(Greenhouse’s “trespassing” allegation was based on an early version of the Arizona bill that was not the bill that became law. Her mistake was later removed from the Times site, but you can see original version here.)
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What do the cops say? Ignorance of the law is no defense
read the law you MSM idiots !
you too chucky
Number 9… Number 9…
and if any of us is stopped by the cops….they demand to see papers
license and registration. and proof of insurance
/Racist cops!!! Targeting me cuz I’m a whitie
oh, i was waiting for this thread….love it
Are the really this ignorant, or just obtuse?
As has been pointed out here, the idea that local cops can’t enforce this law because it’s federal jurisdiction is nutz. That turns upside down all federal laws including bank robbery. I’d actually love to see this tested and the fed lose all jurisdiction over the states. I really hope this bites them in the ass!
In United States criminal law, probable cause is the standard by which a police officer has the authority to make an arrest, conduct a personal or property search, or to obtain a warrant for arrest. It is also used to refer to the standard to which a grand jury believes that a crime has been committed. This term comes from the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution
AZ repealed the Fourth amendment of the US constitution? Who knew?
snork wrote:
They’re just running their internal program that turns everything into racism, whether there is cause or not.
snork wrote:
Yes.
No doubt fat man who fact checks your ass was all over these inaccurate statements just minutes after they were made, right?
or does he just follow Palin Beck and Grandmothers from Tennessee waiving Neo-Nazi flags?
MacDuff wrote:
{function prog(x);
If x > 0, return(‘racist’);
If x = 0, return(‘racist’);
If x < 0, return('racist');
}
@ vapig:
if only…
snork wrote:
When obama made the comment about a cop might be harassing someone who’s family might have been in AZ before it was a state, well, its worrisome that since he is supposedly the smartest president we have ever had, wouldn’t stop to think that those people are obviously American citizens. And in a way he’s made a really disparaging remark toward American’s of Hispanic descent. I really doubt they could be confused among the illegal working class.
snork wrote:
perfect!
teacake wrote:
The Racist White Man stole their land!!
/ what he’s really saying
Why are Mexican nationals in the US who are here illegally above the laws that everyone else has to comply with?
I’m really curious how many legal immigrants of all nationalities are upset by this? Why even have immigration laws?
For a real sad laugh, check out the comments at this article.
Doppelganger wrote:
oh, right.
Dick Tracy is on the ball:
Woweth…
teacake wrote:
lessee…using lefty logic i can say:
my great gramma was 100% indian from out west…so all you interlopers, get off my land. (i’ll take my casino now thanks)
(howz that?)
Good morning!
How many of us have ever been detained or “interviewed” by police in any circumstance other than a traffic stop? Pretty few, I’ll bet. And most of us probably have been given a traffic ticket or two. I know I have. And, every single time, I’ve been asked for driver’s licence, registration, and proof of insurance. No big deal. They had probable cause, an (alleged) vehicle code infraction.
The new law doesn’t give any new powers to the police in AZ; it simply gives them a new duty to check on the immigration status of any person that they interview in the normal course of their work. Illegal immigrants have always faced this risk in the past, but enforcement was lax.
It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if some of the first “victims” of the new law were pale-skinned Canadian snowbirds who have overstayed their maximum residence in AZ. Six months, isn’t it, the maximum duration a “visitor” can stay?
Why does Mexican President Calderone have standing to criticize an American state.? Because his citizens are here illegally?
It would help if the Mexican government would clean up the drug gangs, as well as the corruption that keeps Mexicans poor.
@ snork:
What an idiot. They have been reading to many comic books over at the Funny Farm(tm).
@ snork:
turn me on dead man
turn me on dead man
Hey, is blogtalkradio on tonight?
The black community is certainly not on board with those that are protesting this law.
I have Googled dozens of articles and blogs that are saying make it nationwide. Here is one from LA, although it is typical of the others.
“http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_and_immigration.html”
@ RIX:
That is number 2 on the list of causes in my opinion. Obviously the first would be lack of inforcement, but Mexico needs to get their shiite together. I have been twice, and I couldn’t stand it. Even the tourist areas suck.
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_and_immigration.html
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
During my previous job traveling for an airline, I spent some time in Maine and noticed how many of the hotel staff were clearly Canadians. I wondered at the time how many were “undocumented”.
Sorry, I messed up the link the first time. My apologies, but please read that article if you want to see what is on the mind of many in the black community.
teacake wrote:
He’s also a historic idiot (parroting the La Raza talking points) because at the time we won (and then paid for) the territory there were perhaps 10,000 residents that might have claimed Mexican citizenship – only they didn’t. They owed no more alligance to Mexico than to anybody and didn’t give two figs about a change in territorial ownership.
One of the funnier stories during the Civil War was that a regiment of Confederates “captured” a southwestern town (with in NM or AZ) and claimed it for the Confederacy. They were promptly chased out by the California Corp who also proceeded to claim the town on behalf of the Federal Government. Nobody in the town even stopped to pay any attention to these folks and just went about their business completely ignoring these weirdos.
RIX wrote:
I wonder what would happen if the US passed the same immigration laws and enforced them as rigorously as does the Mexican government?
@ linoleumknife:
Well, satellite photos can identify vehicles. I’ve looked at Google Earth photos of my own place, and recognized the vehicles parked there. Read licence plates? Scarcely. The angle is too oblique.
And since satellites are on fixed orbits, and cannot be “dispatched” to a particular locality, what shows up on the images is pretty much happenstance. And it sure isn’t real time.
@ jlfintx:
97% of black voters voted for obama…that makes them either racist or all liberal democrats…i will go with racist.
so, the blacks dont want more latins in the US, it would cut into their piece of the race based political pie…that is making the assumption that all the new latin voters would be demonrats
savages_girl wrote:
Good afternoon!
Why can’t they see it is immoral to create an under class of non-citizens to be used and abused by those who enslave and cheat other people.
snork
19 | May 2, 2010 11:55
Sandbox needs to be elected to the Senate immediately.
This is on a par with Sheila Jackson Lee wanting pictures of the
American flag on Mars.
@ MacDuff:
i like the way you think
@ teacake:
God, that’s pathetic. Believing anything that fool Michael Moore says is sad, just to begin with, IMHO. And the idea that socialism/communism will solve every problem in the world, and that people who are smart & work hard will continue to work hard when 50 or 70 or 80% of their income is handed over to someone else is naive, at best. The left hasn’t heard of ‘opportunity cost’, has it? If you’re not allowed to stop working when your tax rate reaches a certain level, that becomes slavery.
@ RIX:
The Mexican govt. is in a fight for it’s life. They are literally at war with the narco gangs, who also control the flow of people over the border. The day of the poor Mexican trudging north for work and a better life is past.
The quickest fix is for the US to quit paying them to come here (i.e. welfare and healthcare benefits) and quit smoking dope, the primary source of gang funding.
Neither is likely.
jlfintx wrote:
Some are, some aren’t. The ones who are are on the “driving while black” thing; and see parallels. But you’re right; the other side of that is that there is no love for illegals among those who have to compete for jobs.
waldensianspirit wrote:
but the oh-so-enlightened-proggies need cheap staff and child minders and such!
waldensianspirit wrote:
They’ve been doing that to urban blacks for a couple of generations now. It’s the votes and any other close scrutiny is clearly racist!
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RIX wrote:
Seriously? Damn that’s really lame? Maybe she thought the rover erected one?
I have been to Mexico several times. You know with certainty that you do not want to run afoul of the police. “Miranda rights? We don’t need no stiinkin Miranda rights.”
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
Well I was aiming towards the track back part. I know that vehicles can be seen and possibly identified with them, but to think that they can magically find out where the car came from is hillarious.
The whole cry of “we can’t round up and deport 12 million people!” rings hollow when you consider the fact that when the laws are actually enforced, these illegals start self-deporting.
And the libturds can scream all they want – I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that if and when the Arizona law is upheld, more states enact similar laws – especially when 70% of the nation agrees.
Meanwhile, let them boycott AZ all they want. Our side is staging a “buycott”!
Poteen wrote:
There’s strong talk of legalizing pot, though. Just so they can tax the shiiite out of it. I believe this is the admin that would do just that.
Lunch calls. BBIAB
RIX wrote:
Hey, don’t laugh. With NASA privatized it might be flying there sooner than you think.
Yeah, she was in a Committee hearing when she asked if NASA would get photos of the American flag when they photographed the Martian surface.
JD Hayworth is supposed to be on CBS Face The Nation this morning. starts in about 8 minutes here. i’m SURE he’ll discuss AZ SB 1070
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
To respond to what you said last night after I went to bed, it’s my understanding that there were self-contained safety systems that couldn’t be overridden that had to have failed. So It’s highly doubtful that a saboteur could have caused that. But we’re still in a “fog-of-war” situation, and only time will tell. It’s much more likely that with that many contractors, and that few direct hire employees, they had chain-of-command problems, and multiple screw-ups. No major industrial accident happens without multiple screw-ups.
jlfintx wrote:
During the huge May Day march in 2006, I remember hearing Blacks on the sidewalks watching the parade pass by and asking “who do these people think they are – they have no right to be here in the first place and they can go back where they came from.”
This was, ahem, the consensus…..I cleaned up the language quite a bit.
And they can bring Jackson-Lee to see the American flag that the astronauts planted on Mars during the Moon landing.
@ vapig:
Probably won’t help. They, the narcos, won’t give up the billions to make the govt more solvent or a partner.
The size and scope of the drug trade today make comparisons to the rumrunners of old silly. Legalization won’t stop the illegal trade.
linoleumknife wrote:
And that’s a good thing. Could you imagine a world where there’s recorded video of everything? That’s beyond creepy.
RIX wrote:
To make sure it doesn’t capsize when we land a spacecraft?
@ Poteen:
She also planted that phony doctor in her Health Care town hall. Oh, and then there was the Michael Jackson funeral where she hogged the stage and waived the “proclamation” she was going to make sure the House passed – and Nancy shot her down when she tried to bring it up for a vote.
RIX wrote:
Why not? The interplanetary bus route goes right past there doesn’t it?//
@ Poteen:
We can’t afford a new legalized entitled class, particularly this huge.
If the illegal population become normalized(made legal)they will be able to bring the rest of the family here, grandma etc.
Medical care, schools, social services & on & on.
This is not a matter of racist Americans, it’s about national survival.
Carolina Girl wrote:
She knows what’s important to her constituency. Yes she does.
Ms Jackson-Lee has a frequent rider card.
vapig wrote:
Might that be Picacho Peak?
MacDuff wrote:
wailing and gnashing of teeth and raising of fists on both sides of the border.
@ RIX:
It’s time to revisit and repeal that whole “anchor baby” and chain migration statues.
Oh yeah, she could be the Science Czarina for Obama.
CJ is of course the Czar.
Statutes, not statues….although I’m sure there are monuments to these jackasses that enacted them.
Yes it is. The Amendment was to protect the children of slaves, not to cover people sneaking over the Border to deliver
Mary Landrieu is a moron. on Face the Nation, the host asked her how much oil is flowing into the Gulf and she said, after sputtering a bit, “well, we know it’s too much”. how pathetic can a person be? you need to prepare for an appearance on national television. that question was a no brainer! i hate it when people can’t admit they just don’t know something and they use some weaselly crap like that.
RIX wrote:
buzz addressed this in a comment the other day. it was enacted 60 years after the last slave was imported into the USA so we had 60 years worth of children of slaves and freed slaves who were sort of in limbo as to their status.
JD Hayworth on broadcast CBS right now. They introduced him as former congressman and didn’t mention that he is giving mccain the fight of his life for that senate seat. bastages
Carolina Girl wrote:
Illegals marching for their “rights” as though the United States exercising our right to soverignty is facist makes my blood boil. Perhaps would should have rounded up these SOBs, checked to see if they were here legally, and taken the apropriate action.
Follow our laws or GTF out. If you are not here legally, you cannot avail yourself of “rights”. If you are a citizen, then it’s “your country” as well. In the meantime, you are a guest, so mind your manners lest you be tossed back to the hellhole from which you came.
@ jlfintx:
Here’s the money quote:
@ Kirly:
That’s right, the children of slaves were meant to be the protected class.
Illinois Rep Luis Gutierrez is lying through his overbleached teeth on Face the Nation right now… “I want to end illegal immigration as we know it”… and that we should go after employers. lying sack o’ crap. we DID that several years ago.
idiot wants the illegals to pay a fine. no word of a fence
RIX wrote:
RIX wrote:
What you describe has already happened and continues. The illegals know that the minimum standard of life in the US, welfare, is better than anything they can hope for in their home country. I don’t support making them legal. I do support dropping them from govt services. But even with that, most won’t go back.
No one starves in America and only those abused by caretakers go hungry. The church and charity groups will still support them.
I’ve seen a few comments about Mexico’s tough immigration laws.
Those laws are a good thing. They are enforced primarily on the southern Mexico border to stem the flow of illegals from central America heading north through Mexico or stopping there and exacerbating their immigrant problems.
If we want to slow it down we just simply have to stop paying them to come here.
@ Kirly:
It’s not just weasely, it’s grandstanding. It reminds me of the environmental lawyer who said pH of 7 isn’t good enough, he wants it down to zero.
Gutierrez says the fence doesn’t work. 10k border patrol agents didn’t work 10 years ago and 20k don’t work now.
no shit sherlock. you need a fence and you need to enforce it.
RIX wrote:
But instead of coming out and saying that, they had to be clever.
This is OT but important I think … more insanity in Iraq:
Bombs target buses of Christian students in Iraq
Two bombs exploded minutes apart Sunday near buses carrying Christian students in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, killing at least one bystander and injuring around 100 others, a security official said.
Sunni Muslim insurgents have frequently targeted members of Iraq’s Christian minority, especially in Mosul, which is home to a large Christian community. Some extremist Sunnis consider Christians to be nonbelievers and supporters of the Shiite-led government they oppose.
The U.S.-based National Council of Churches sent a letter last week to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton calling on her to urge Iraqi officials to do more to protect Iraq’s Christian community.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100502/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq
snork wrote:
stupid. a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
MacDuff
74 | May 2, 2010 12:4
Illegals marching for their “rights” as though the United States exercising our right to soverignty is facist makes my blood boil.
There is no entitlement to be in the United States.
Residency & citizenship are privileges not rights.
Our nationao\l soveriegnty is being cheapened
Gutierrez is such a piece of shit tool.
lying. strawman. he’s despicable.
the f’n host still hasn’t mentioned that hayworth is in the senate campaign
.
There is no entitlement to be in the United States.
Residency & citizenship are privileges not rights.
Our national sovereignty is being cheapened
hahahahah, JD finally said “my opponent John McCain”. about time!
@ RIX:
@ RIX:
Double post?
@ snork:
Oh I am definetly happy that isn’t the case. I just think it’s silly they would think that. Of course, knowing the idgits that populate that cesspool, it wouldn’t surprise me if they wanted something like that.
snork wrote:
Hee hee. And he’ll taste it to be sure, right?
Gutierrez said criminals and drug dealers are happy with SB1070. bwah!
well JD Hayworths appearance on CBS is over so that hideous program is off my tv now. must fumigate my home.
RIX wrote:
Emphasis! Or a Sunday morning brain fart.
BUYCOTT! BUYCOTT ARIZONA! love that! let’s see… copper, cotten, … i forget. i better find out what is made here.
oh, the Apache helicopter is made here. all of them. that’s important.
I thin the latter
Poteen wrote:
Baaaaaaaaaaaaad acid…
Kirly wrote:
Fly US Airways; are they not based in AZ?
Arizona Firms: Cold Stone Creamery, Dial soap, PF Chang’s, Fender Guitars, U-Haul, Go Daddy, Sky Mall, US Airways, Best Western.
i snagged this list from
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/04/28/2010-04-28_arizona_iced_tea_brewed_in_new_york_actual_arizona_firms_include_cold_stone_crea.html
i’ll try to find more.
MacDuff wrote:
As well as Southwest, I believe.
MacDuff wrote:
nope. Southwest has a big hub here and it is my favorite airline, but it’s headquarted in TX.
Jobing.com is here in Phx.
and lots of other firms that i have no idea what they actuall do.
ETelecare Global Solutions
IPower
PremierGarage
AllTeriors Floor Covering
Dollar Days International
ICrossing
JLT Mobile Computers
Ceiba Technologies
Ensynch
Ambient Weather
Abacas 247
Schaller Anderson
weird.
several auto manufacturers have their proving grounds out here too.
I wonder how many law abiding citizens have to get killed by illegal aliens before the problem is addressed by the lib pols.
@ Kirly:
The Freepers are on it big time. Publishing lists of Arizona based businesses. But I think it was someone here who coined the term “buycott”!
@ chickadee:
Well as long as they are southern whites who own property and ranches, nothing…..
oh, cool.
Queen Creek Olive Mill.
Cerreta Candy
Shamrock Farms
PING Golf
AT NYC May Day Rally Death Threats and Swaztikas OK
Thank God they were not evil rightwing Tea baggers.
chickadee wrote:
apparently, quite a few more. as long as it doesn’t affect the elites, then it won’t be an issue. it’s insanity.
@ Kirly:
I believe GoDaddy.com is based in Arizona. Although I still can’t stand the Dannika Patrick commercials but then I’m not the target market on those.
well, i got some painting to do. some baseboard and i have to put some Kilz down (where the cat messed) before the flooring company comes in on tuesday. i’m soooo not looking forward to this. noisy and dusty. blech. but, once it’s done it’ll be wonderful. anyway, i’ll be back later on.
Cold Stone Creamery, huh? MUST. EAT. ICE. CREAM. It’s a tough job, but someone has to do it….
Carolina Girl wrote:
yep, Go Daddy is indeed here. There is an Amazon dot com location as well. and google too. but not HQs.
Do we know the topic for tonight’s radio show yet?
@ Carolina Girl:
Danica is something else. Good looking and knows how to handle some of the fastest cars on earth. Makes my heart skip a beat, lol.
@ Carolina Girl:
no real topics yet…
@ Kirly:
Isn’t Acme Genius Supply (where Wyle E Coyote gets all his stuff) also based there?
linoleumknife wrote:
Honey, I would think if you have a drop of testosterone, the lady would make your heart skip a beat…
FNC now reporting that a “microwave” bomb has been discovered today on the course of a Marathon race in Pittsburgh.
Kirly wrote:
Ewwwww! You’re going to paint over cat dook?
Well, the housework won’t do itself (sigh). Back in 45 minutes on the break…
@ Carolina Girl:
LOL, yeah. Who knows, she’s only a year older than me. Maybe……
/I’m obviously delusional
Kirly wrote:
I don’t envy you. I did major remodeling. plus added a 500+ sf sunroom onto my house last year. I seem to be still recovering
@ RIX:
Oh man, is there a link?
RIX wrote:
Pardon my bomb ignorance, but WTF is a “mocrowave bomb”?
RIX wrote:
yeah…bomb in pgh
@ MacDuff:
Well I know that if you put aresol cans and various metal things (like forks and knives) it will be pretty damned deadly.
linoleumknife wrote:
It was a live FNC report. I’ll google around.
@ MacDuff:
pipe bomb in a microwave oven…ever see mythbusters pull that one off?
New one on me too.
@ coldwarrior:
Thanks for the link.
Of course that would not likely work in a public area. You would have to plug it in and start cooking the contents for an explosion.
@ RIX:
@ coldwarrior:
Thanks guys. I’m not normally that lazy, but they have disabled google and for some reason Fox at my work.
@ coldwarrior:
ooops, they used c4…different bomb type
coldwarrior wrote:
Great show, but I must have missed that one. In my younger days, I tried to make hard boiled eggs by putting them on a plate in a microwave. The results, while not particulary dangerous, were intersting and did take some time to clean up…….
What???? Outrage!!!!!!!!!! You need a lawyer/
coldwarrior wrote:
Is this just me, or does this smell like a new Jihadi strategy?
The thing about the microwave bomb is one thing, but the real shock is that a guy from Kenya won the race!/
Church Facilitates Foreign Invasion.
@ RIX:
Hell, I have the union, but I refuse to use them for anything. Even when there was an investigation because of some fed regulations being broken I stood on my own. Of course the others were telling me I was crazy, but I was the only one to get off without any real punishment. The damned union is the devil.
RIX wrote:
What is it about Kenya that consistently produces such great runners? Uh oh, was that “racist”?
waldensianspirit wrote:
A lot of them do see it but of course, it’s ok when they do it because they care abt. “the people.’
@ Kirly:
Oh by the way. I’m pretty sure the economy is not really making a recovery. The railyard here at the Port of Houston is dead. Normally we would be moving a minimum of 8,000 cars a month. We have been lucky to move 2,500 a month since the crash. What’s worse, is here lately it has been slowing down.
I’m waiting for Johnson to get up at the crack of noon out there.
He will opine that it is those violent Tea Party grannies behind the whole thing.
Who won the race? A guy from Kenya, Obamas father was from Kenya.
Coincidence, I think not.
@ linoleumknife:
No matter how the O-bots try to parse it, no jobs are being created. The stimulus bill was never about private sector job creation, it was about massive spending.
Doppelganger wrote:
Actually fat ass is spending time reading the Daily Kos on his lap top while he sits on the can thinking about how he can blame the truck loaded with bombs in Times Square on the tea partiers.
@ Speranza:
Yep, and of course to add more drones to the gubament trough, working or not.
Soy un perdedor – bar wrote:
It should also be noted that this organization IS NOT the Church. It’s a Left wing political group that is oft in conflict with Rome.
Some people have way too much time on their hands…
@ Speranza:
Oh that’s easy. You see the Tea Partiers are nothing but Neo-con Christian facists. If they were not trying to start another crusade against the peaceful muzz, then they would not feel the need to attack us. It is all fly over countries fault that we are so hated in the world.
/sad thing is, he’ll probably believe this crap
Way too much time, part II:
@ snork:
That was a pretty small condom, didn’t know they made em that small.
/lol, joking
Kirly wrote:
Mary Landrieu (along with Patty Murray) is one of the biggest blockheads in the U.S. Senate.
Speranza wrote:
And Babs.
linoleumknife wrote:
He sounds like Bizarro Charles – the exact opposite of the Charles Johnson from Sep. 2001 – Nov. 2008. That is why we refer to him (amongst other names) selrahC.
@ snork:
Dianne Feinsteinn is another dim wit.
@ Speranza:
Which animal farm character did we determine was his?
Soy un perdedor – bar wrote:
the entire catholic church is not aiding and abetting illegal immigration. the leaders who are of the liberation theology are and they need to be weeded out of the church.
stop the broad brush approach, please.
linoleumknife wrote:
hmmm…same up here, i can see the norfolk southern conway rail yard from my deck…much less traffic through there.
@ coldwarrior:
No, but. They do universally support it. It’s policy.
snork wrote:
the usccb is not the church, its like saying the ama is medical care.
@ Soy un perdedor – bar:
Policy recommendations from the USCCB on whaterver topic-missle defense, welfare reform, immigration reform, etc, are a perfect negative indicator. Sensible Americans will always do the opposite.
@ MacDuff:
That is good to know.
@ coldwarrior:
Was not trying to paint with a broad brush.
I am not accusing the entire Catholic church of supporting illegal immigration, just the parts that support it. Like Cardinal Mahoney.
Speranza wrote:
He is drooling at the prospect of the Tea Partiers being responsible. I think it’s a no good Bill Ayers type leftie.
@ coldwarrior:
I thought the article was interesting. Do I agree with every last thing it claimed, no.
Speranza wrote:
Louisiana, and New Orleans in particular, is “Chicago South” in terms of political corruption. As a disclaimer, my wife is a native of N.O.
Landrieu is an heir to that system; her father was Mayor of New Orleans and her brother is Mayor-elect of N.O.
They’re considered “conservative Democrats”, but, in the end, they’re just more of the same old crap.
@ coldwarrior:
linoleumknife wrote:
Nope, it’s not making a recovery here in Houston. Ft Bend County sales tax receipts are down 9.4% for the first quarter – about what my sales are down. People are being cautious with their discretionary spending habits right now.
@ coldwarrior:
I do think your’re missing the point. If you surveyed 100 parish priests, how many do you think would criticize illegal immigration?
Soy un perdedor – bar wrote:
ok, but that is not what your comment looked like.
@ MacDuff:
After Katrina I dated a girl who was a sheriff in Saint Bernard Parish. The stories she would tell me sent chills down my spine. Corruption at every level of society. She knew families there who had been on welfare for Four Generations. Able bodied men collecting a check every month to sit at home and get drunk and do drugs. The cops weren’t much better according to her.
snork wrote:
no, that’s in New Mexico.
snork wrote:
survey the parishioners…i dont care about priests, they are but one vote…the parishioners are hundreds of votes.
snork wrote:
omg. no! you clean that all up in the flooring but microscopic bits can get through the carpet and pad. then, when the carpet and pad is all pulled up, you clean up the concrete underneath. THEN you apply the kilz. then you install the new flooring.
@ Calo:
I hate that it is affecting your business, but in some ways it’s about damn time. I’m almost 27 and I have no debt save my car note. Some of my friends are in the 5 figure range already. It’s amazing how quickly they have ruined their lives. Maybe if people acted a little more responsibly then we wouldn’t have so many problems.
@ Calo:
By the way, how about this beautiful weather? I kind of missed the heat. LOL
snork wrote:
Correct-a-mundo, my fellow Blogmocracy member !
@ archonix:
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAH !!!!
@ coldwarrior:
The title of the article reads: ‘Catholic Church Facilitates Foreign Invasion’
I thought that really sounded broad brush, so I took “Catholic” out, still knowing it would be a sore subject.
snork wrote:
Jesus pretty much gave us the answer to this question; “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s”.
The USCCB is, as is their wont, meddling in politics that have nothing to do with human rights.
Sorry if this has been covered but why can’t the local or state police stop you for whatever. Here in CT the state troopers do roadblock stops all the time for seatbelt and drunk driving violations.I was also stopped in New York state for the same.What makes this any different,just do random road checks,lots of problems solved because everyone on that road gets “carded.”
linoleumknife wrote:
I was hoping for rain so I had an excuse not to weed the flower beds today. Out the door to do so now before it gets too hot and humid.
Soy un perdedor – bar wrote:
in an organization as large as the catholic church there are going to be some moonbats, that is to be expected.
poll the parishioners, guess what, i’ll bet they get around the 70% nationally that supports what arizona is doing and are against the illegal immigration and want secure borders.
i am getting sick and tired of the catholic blaming when in fact it is just a small group that messes it up for the rest, and i’m not even catholic.
@ Calo:
Well have a good one.
Cardinal George heads the Archdiocese of Chicago.
He actually blamed the victims of abuse by priests &
supports full amnesty for illegals.
I am Catholic & most Catholics that I know disagree with both
positions.
@ vagabond trader:
Stangest place I ever got stopped at a roablock like that was on the northern outskirts of Raton, NM. The cops had northbound I-25 blocked and were checking everyone’s ID. I could figure out why they’d be looking for dunk drivers in a place like that, since it’s pretty much the middle of nowhere, and the next town is 20 miles away in Colorado.
Turned out they were looking for an escaped convict, not drunk drivers.
chickadee wrote:
I think it is a few guys with names like Mohammad, Ahmed, Faisal, and Hussein.
@ Calo:
I cancelled my planned yardwork for today, because it’s windy, cold, and about to rain.
May in Colorado…
That sounds about right.
@ lobo91:
Got stopped at something similar a number of years ago. Some crazy bugger had killed a car salesman during a test drive, just because he felt like it. They wanted to see if I was hiding him in my trunk.
Soy un perdedor – bar wrote:
First, “the Church” is synonymous with “the Catholic Church”. Secondl, perhaps a bit of research into the USCCB would have been in order? As a Catholic, I take the ravings of the USCCB as BS, and they have little or no influence in Rome, as I said before. Catholics have been under seige for far too long; the crimes of a few have been magnified and used to tar an entire faith, and the good deeds of the many, literally over centuries, have been virually ignored.
With all of the pluses and minuses, is the world a better place because “the Church” has existed? I think the answer would be “yes”.
@ coldwarrior:
I fail to see how criticizing or just disagreeing with what certain church hierarch have said and done is blaming all Catholics or Catholic bashing? Unless they are above criticism, then it makes sense.
OT: I’m skeptical. Methinks it was a test run, just like the crotch bomber.Who the hell makes a bomb out of fireworks.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2010/05/pakistani_taliban_cl.php
Soy un perdedor – bar wrote:
Does “insinuation” mean anything to you?
@ MacDuff:
Check this out. Now its illegal to express your Christian beliefs?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270364/Christian-preacher-hooligan-charge-saying-believes-homosexuality-sin.html
@ vagabond trader:
Somone who’s trying to stay under the radar.
It’s relatively easy to get military-grade explosives in Pakistan, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Not so much in New York.
These people are communists, this law hinders their efforts at undermining the United States.
@ vagabond trader:
Spiritually, Europe is on it’s last legs. Antisemitism is on the rise, Christanity is under assault, and the Muslims are given free reign. Welcome to Eurabia.
snork wrote:
They are not that ignorant but they hope their readers are. Kind of like Ponytail doing his interpretation of well…anything…you’d think they have reading comprehension problems but they don’t. Just being dishonest bastards without any shred of credibility. @ MacDuff:
Hungry lions?
@ 195 lobo91: As a kid I was for a short year obsessed with making a big explosive bomb out of the unwrapped black powder in the Nebraska fireworks. Red Cats. Black Cats, Silver surfers.
All we got was some temporary deafness and a friend got a tin can drilled into his head when he went to check why an explosion didn’t occur. We were 6th graders lol.
Soy un perdedor – bar wrote:
ok, then lets look at it, since you dont understand what i am getting at.
please explain to me how this is not blaming all catholics, read your comment it says that the church facilitates foreign invasion.
i can read english. i am not concerned with what the article says, its how YOU presented it. see?
Soy un perdedor – bar wrote:
by using your method of commenting i can say “baptist support the ku klux klan” when the article refered to actually says ‘some white southern baptist support the ku klux klan”
see what i mean? its selective editing
@ coldwarrior:
The media always implicates all people of Christian faith when they report anything negative about an individual believer or group of believers.Unless you happen to follow the same bogus brand of Christianity as FR Pflegar or rev Wright types. Funny how that works.
@ snork:
Agreed, Snork. I’m just saying it would be unwise to categorically rule out sabotage from within (or without, for that matter) until such time as the history of this incident is fully understood. Too many people are rushing to blame BP for “carelessness”, when it’s their assets and their stock value that are being destroyed. If it was merely an oil spill, that line of thinking might have some validity. When it comes to loss of life, loss of a prime contractor’s assets, loss of a potentially productive well, and a huge hit on stock value, it’s ludicrous.
We have had several instances of well and pipeline sabotage (by dynamite bomb) in northwestern Alberta and adjacent parts of British Columbia. The Alberta cases were solved, and a back-to-the-land type of religious nutbar named Wiebo Ludwig did jail time for them. (think of him as a minor-league David Koresh, and you will be in the ballpark) The B.C. cases are still under investigation, but the motive seems to be eco-terrorism, and irrational fear of sour gas pipelines.
Point is, there are people out there who are willing and able to destroy oil industry infrastructure in the name of Gaia.
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
At least yours aren’t part of the government…
@ snork:
There’s a lot of cool stuff you can do with microwaves. You can melt metal, in a practical way, too, as for casting. You can also create a hot plasma ball. Just light a coffee-warmer candle, set it in the microwave, and zap for a few seconds. The flame will swell up into a huge orange fireball. Really. And the microwave will hum loudly as it tries to dump energy into that big ball of conductive plasma. It’s quite a spectacle!
Don’t come whining to me if you kill your microwave trying this. I used one I found at the dump, heh.