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Myths of the American Smart Grid – Part II

by Kafir ( 122 Comments › )
Filed under Blogmocracy, Environmentalism at June 19th, 2010 - 4:00 pm

Part II of our very own “Snork’s” series at Pajamas Media was published yesterday. READ IT ALL.

(latecomers should start with Part I)

~:)

Electric Grid Myths, Part II: The Effect of Alternatives

In my previous article, I laid out many of the most common misconceptions of how the electrical grid is built, operated, and maintained, and just precisely what is meant by the term “smart grid.” This leads to a number of questions and choices regarding the future — specifically, how telemetric load control (what “smart grid” really is) works with wind power and electric cars.

Wind power has been heralded by its proponents as the future of electrical power generation. I specifically am not going to discuss the merits of wind power vs. coal, nuclear, solar, or any of the other possibilities. I am decidedly not advocating any particular source. What I am doing is noting the time scheduling characteristics of wind, why that’s a problem, and how telemetric load control — particularly if a significant penetration of electric cars catches on — might work together to mitigate one of wind’s major drawbacks, and why that’s probably going to have a limited effect.

Aside from concerns over bird kill, economics, and aesthetics, wind power suffers from a problem with reliability. Not reliability of the machines themselves (though maintenance is a significant operating cost), but the reliability of the wind itself.

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  1. coldwarrior
    1 | June 19, 2010 4:07 pm

    yay, snork!

    kuddos and hazzahs!


  2. gulfloafer
    2 | June 19, 2010 4:17 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I second that!


  3. gulfloafer
    3 | June 19, 2010 4:18 pm

    The answer my friend is blowing in the wind … not.


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | June 19, 2010 4:25 pm

    still reading 1 and 2…this is really excellent work here.


  5. coldwarrior
    5 | June 19, 2010 4:31 pm

    spot prices for a fillup…

    i have an idea to help balance the grid and mitigate fluctuations in price and make this fair for everyone (the ponies!!!!!!1ty!! show up here)! half of us will be forced to work at night and sleep in the day while the other half sleeps at night and works in the day!

    and there has to be balanced vacation travel, this means forced visits to MN in the winter while some of them go to FL…Or maybe just get rid of vactaion travel all together, yeah, that’ll make it even!

    yeah, the proggies will love that!

    Or we can build a bunch of nuke plants, and also drill drill drill and mine mine mine!


  6. gulfloafer
    6 | June 19, 2010 4:33 pm

    Yeah, that’s working out really well for Spain. We should try it.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2009385016_will26.html


  7. coldwarrior
    7 | June 19, 2010 4:34 pm

    @ gulfloafer:

    it just hasnt been tried by the right proggies, or in a large enough economy. green jobs for all!

    /


  8. m
    8 | June 19, 2010 4:35 pm

    Thanks for laying it out so nicely snork.


  9. mfhorn
    9 | June 19, 2010 4:39 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    and there has to be balanced vacation travel, this means forced visits to MN in the winter while some of them go to FL…Or maybe just get rid of vactaion travel all together, yeah, that’ll make it even!
    yeah, the proggies will love that!

    I don’t know- Europe has declared vacation a ‘human right’, so there are now subsidised vacations for people who can’t afford it.


  10. m
    10 | June 19, 2010 4:39 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Rickshaws for all!


  11. gulfloafer
    11 | June 19, 2010 4:39 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    No sarc tags necessary. We’re on the same page here. I love the part where Gibbs says “I haven’t read the study, but I think yes” followed by laughter from the crowd. What the hell is wrong with these people?


  12. m
    12 | June 19, 2010 4:41 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    What they aren’t telling them is they gotta vacate to the backyard.


  13. mfhorn
    13 | June 19, 2010 4:49 pm

    @ gulfloafer:

    From the article (George Will)

    What matters most, however, is not that reports such as Calzada’s are right in every particular. It is, however, hardly counterintuitive that politically driven investments are economically counterproductive. Indeed, environmentalists with the courage of their convictions should argue that the point of such investments is to subordinate market rationality to the higher agenda of planetary salvation.

    Still, one can be agnostic about both reports while being dismayed by the frequency with which such findings are ignored simply because they question policies that are so invested with righteousness that methodical economic reasoning about their costs and benefits seems unimportant…

    For fervent believers in governments’ abilities to control the climate and in the urgent need for them to do so, believing is seeing: They see, through their ideological lenses, governments’ green spending as always paying for itself. This is a free-lunch faith comparable to that of those few conservatives who believe that tax cuts always completely pay for themselves by stimulating compensating revenues from economic growth…”

    Well said. We need to rely on the market rather than some politicially driven response, where funds are doled out based on what’s popular with the powers that be, rather than what offers a viable solution.

    Let’s offer a huge reward to the first business to SOLVE the problem, rather than who has the best lobbiest.


  14. snork
    14 | June 19, 2010 4:50 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    If you think about it, it’s inevitable. The utilities have been chomping at the bit for time-of-day pricing for decades, and are slowly getting it. Now they want to add this power source that spits out random amounts of power. It has to lead to a spot market, at least for the larger unit purchases of energy such as a recharge. The alternative is for the low-wind consumers to subsidize the high-wind consumers. This will result in less wind utilization and more fossil fuel consumption.

    Or, they could build these windmills and then not use them. Which may very well also happen. I see evidence that that’s how these things are actually used. Have you ever driven by a wind farm and seen all the turbines turning all at once? Didn’t think so.


  15. yenta-fada
    15 | June 19, 2010 4:52 pm

    Thank you for the information, snork. My husband is an engineer by training. Here, in Canada, many engineers end up not working in their fields because there is not enough venture capital to provide jobs in the private sector. The public sector is very controlled by politics. Most people work for the government in Canada. People will only pay attention when these issues hit them in the wallet. If there are smaller towns with real leadership, they may be the ones to initiate viable energy solutions for themselves. Keep writing and finding answers.


  16. coldwarrior
    16 | June 19, 2010 4:54 pm

    lighting close!

    bye…


  17. mfhorn
    17 | June 19, 2010 5:07 pm

    Wow- it got quiet in here. Everyone out working?

    I’ve got to get out and mow once it cools down a bit. Front/side tonight, back tomorrow or Monday as long as it doesn’t rain again.

    Then I get to start on the ‘honey do’ list.


  18. RIX
    18 | June 19, 2010 5:08 pm

    I thought that when the Obama took control that our power would be provided by pixie dust & Unicorns.


  19. gulfloafer
    19 | June 19, 2010 5:10 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    Do you think people haven’t been trying to duplicate the efficiency of fossil fuels for the better part of the last century? There are no viable options available.


  20. Empire1
    20 | June 19, 2010 5:11 pm

    Excellent work, Snork! I look forward to your next installment.


  21. 21 | June 19, 2010 5:19 pm

    Drug cartel issues threat to off-duty Nogales, AZ, USA police officers.

    Drug cartel issues threat to off-duty Nogales, AZ, USA police officers

    this is a war like that with the jihadis. they don’t have a legitimate government so it’s not like declaring war with Mexico is the answer exactly. they are not uniformed soldiers of a signatory nation either so they aren’t covered by the Geneva conventions. make ME queen of the world for 1 week and these bastards would be dead. make ME queen of the world for 1 year and we’d have a damned border fence.

    how long can this last? how long before the invasion alters this country beyond the point of no return?

    for the record, i am 100% against legalizing pot or cocaine or anything else that’s coming across the border. these things were not a problem 50 years ago because we were a different society. bring that back. it should be unacceptable to respectable people to be a pot head. and if you are, stay the hell away from ME. i know some people here will be offended by that. too damn bad. don’t bother me with the whining over it.

    build a freaking fence and patrol the damn border and you solve both problems -- human smuggling / illegal aliens AND drugs coming across. they will switch to boats and planes. fine, we are less squemish about defending ourselves from those threats so sink ‘em and shoot ‘em down.

    it’s a freaking invasion for crying out loud! it’s a war! a war for our territory and what was once our way of life.


  22. 22 | June 19, 2010 5:21 pm

    Empire1 wrote:

    Excellent work, Snork! I look forward to your next installment.

    I agree and apologize to snork for not mentioning it prior to my rant above.


  23. mfhorn
    23 | June 19, 2010 5:24 pm

    @ gulfloafer:

    Absolutely right. My point is that instead of endlessly throwing money at pie-in-the-sky things like windmills, solar panels, bio-fuels and the like, which may supply a portion of our needs, we should let private research continue, with a nice ‘carrot’ at the end.

    I’m all for cutting use where we can. I’m in favor of recycling, keeping water & air clean and things like that. And I 100% support nuclear power. Many, many nuke plants to take care of our energy needs until something like cold fusion or God only knows what comes along that’ll provide what we need.

    We hear the left whining about the US having something like 6% of the world’s population but using 30% of the energy. They never mention what percentage of the world’s output we produce.


  24. RIX
    24 | June 19, 2010 5:31 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    It always amazes me that the Ludites who trash anybody for using any energy that is not on their approved list, seem to leave a huge carbon footprint themselves. Case in point, Al Gore.


  25. gulfloafer
    25 | June 19, 2010 5:33 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    Exactly. However, the carrot at the end of the stick (motivation) will be the result of the free market. Eventually a individual or group of individuals will crack the code.


  26. gulfloafer
    26 | June 19, 2010 5:36 pm

    @ Kirly:
    Hey Kirly! I patronized the northern end your state yesterday.


  27. Bumr50
    27 | June 19, 2010 5:38 pm

    OT flyby- down to one machine in a two-person household.

    EXCELLENT piece, snork!

    BTW is anyone else noticing a disturbing trend when shown video of the beach “clean-up crews” when video is shown of them? Like, they never seem to be in too big of a hurry? At all?


  28. gulfloafer
    28 | June 19, 2010 5:39 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    What do you expect them to do? Suck it up with a straw? //


  29. mfhorn
    29 | June 19, 2010 5:41 pm

    @ gulfloafer:

    @ RIX:

    100% agreement with both of you.


  30. snork
    30 | June 19, 2010 5:43 pm

    They’re piling on Caroline Glick at the zoo now. Caroline Glick has a higher IQ than the whole bunch of them over there total squared.

    That place is icky.


  31. RIX
    31 | June 19, 2010 5:46 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ gulfloafer:
    @ RIX:
    100% agreement with both of you.

    Then we’re all in agreement. Let’s proceed.:)


  32. 32 | June 19, 2010 5:46 pm

    @ Kirly:

    It is an invasion similar in type to some of the border invasions that happened to Rome from the barbarian tribes. Thew tribes didn’t have formal nations, treaties, or apparatus of State. Attila the Hun was a Warlord, not a dignatary. These warlords traffic coke to get gold instead of raiding the villiages for it, though there is some of that going on. The media doesn’t talk about it, but kidnappings for money are once more happening in Pheonix, as I understand it. The FBI is either unable or unwilling to put a stop to it. Like I said earlier, at least Arizona will let the people arm themselves to defend themselves. Now it remains to be seen whether the Arizonans themselves will do so. I would carry a pistol everywhere. I’d keep an assault rifle in the trunk, with a quantity of ammo.

    Make the country hostile to the invaders. That is one thing you can do.


  33. 33 | June 19, 2010 5:48 pm

    gulfloafer wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    Hey Kirly! I patronized the northern end your state yesterday.

    awesome! thank you!


  34. RIX
    34 | June 19, 2010 5:48 pm

    snork wrote:

    reply |

    Snork, great piece.
    They are piling on Caroline Glick, because she wrote a good review for Pam Gellar, right?


  35. snork
    35 | June 19, 2010 5:52 pm

    RIX wrote:

    They are piling on Caroline Glick, because she wrote a good review for Pam Gellar, right?

    You catch on quick.


  36. 36 | June 19, 2010 5:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Now it remains to be seen whether the Arizonans themselves will do so. I would carry a pistol everywhere. I’d keep an assault rifle in the trunk, with a quantity of ammo.
    Make the country hostile to the invaders. That is one thing you can do.

    yep. my brother said i need several more handguns. they should be planted strategically around the house, in the vehicle, and one on my person at all times. and they should all be the same model or very similar for ease of use in an emergency.

    but, the vast majority of Arizonans are just like the vast majority of Americans. “too busy” to be bothered by it. it’s easier for them to just avoid the unsafe areas. most just ignore the problem until it actually touches them.

    me? i’m mad as hell and i’m not going to take it anymore. none of it. not the illegals. not the assholes in the rest of the country calling us racists. not the idiots who want to address a symptom rather than apply an actual solution. and not the people in this country who pay for this shit coming across the border -- the drugs OR the cheap labor.


  37. RIX
    37 | June 19, 2010 5:56 pm

    Iron Fist
    32 | June 19, 2010 17:46 The media doesn’t talk about it, but kidnappings for money are once more happening in Pheonix, as I understand it.

    Kidnappings in Phoenix are off the charts. As I understand it, a mule will bring a consignment of drugs North & will get robbed by another drug family.
    The guy can’t face his overlords without the cash that he was supposed to get for the goods, it would get very ugly.
    He has to kidnap somebody for ransom, to take the cash South & stay alive.
    And the Feds do nothing.


  38. 38 | June 19, 2010 5:59 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    gulfloafer wrote:
    @ Kirly:
    Hey Kirly! I patronized the northern end your state yesterday.
    awesome! thank you!

    May I patronize you and your state now?

    Oh wait, that didn’t sound right. ;)

    (*ducks*)


  39. yenta-fada
    39 | June 19, 2010 6:03 pm

    @ Kirly:

    This one is for you. (not advocating it. It’s a JOKE.)

    A man in Texas looking to join the Frio County Sheriffs Dept. was being interviewed. The Sergeant doing the interview says, “Your qualifications look good, but there’s an attitude suitability test you must pass before you can be accepted.”

    Then, sliding a Smith and Wesson Model 29 across the desk, he says to the man, “Take this pistol; go out and shoot six illegal aliens, six meth dealers, six Muslim extremists, six ‘Progressive Liberal’ democrats, and a rabbit.”

    “Why the rabbit?” the man asked.

    “That’s the attitude we’re looking for!” said the Sergeant,

    “When can you start?”


  40. 40 | June 19, 2010 6:05 pm

    A few years back, before the Messiah had ascended His Throne, I had the fun and pleasure of “discussing” alternative energy with a Looney Toons resident of the *SRS. Specifically electric cars.

    Needless to say he was all for it. I asked him where the excess electricity was going to come from because, as he had so pointed out earlier, that the electric grid was at near maximum as it was. The look on his face as he struggled to comprehend that just plugging all the new electric cars into the wall wouldn’t work was priceless.

    *Socialist Republik of Seattle


  41. 41 | June 19, 2010 6:06 pm

    @ RIX:

    It’ll be like that all over America if we don’t do something. We will be overran by the Barbarian hordes and turned into a Third World hellhole. That is Obama’s main goal, and the natural end of the direction the Democrats have been steering us in since at least the end of the Johnson Administration. They thought they’d break us up and turn us into vassal states of the Soviet Union. When that failes, they decided that they’d settle for dragging us down to the level of, say, central Africa. Mud huts and dung fires for all. Except them, of course. They will live in palaces while we live on their leavings. That’s their vision for the future, and it is terrifying.


  42. 42 | June 19, 2010 6:06 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    So why shoot the rabbit?

    *Confused* ;)


  43. 43 | June 19, 2010 6:07 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    heh. yeah, the rabbit didn’t do anything. no need to kill the rabbit except to eat.

    oh, and just in case those reading this don’t realize… this is NOT border violence. this extends NORTH of where I leave and I’m nearly 200 miles north of the border. this is well into the heart of Arizona and moving to the heart of the USA.

    i’m out for a while. prime pool time in the afternoon. i got a copy of the Overton Window at Costco this morning that need to be read.


  44. 44 | June 19, 2010 6:09 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    this extends NORTH of where I leavelive and I’m nearly 200 miles north of the border


  45. 45 | June 19, 2010 6:09 pm

    @ Kirly:
    The violence from illegals is getting real bad up here in the Seattlestan area, since Seattle is a declared amnesty city.


  46. 46 | June 19, 2010 6:11 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    Kirly wrote:
    this extends NORTH of where I leavelive and I’m nearly 200 miles north of the border

    Freudian Typo, eh? ;)


  47. MrPaulRevere
    47 | June 19, 2010 6:13 pm

    snork wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    They are piling on Caroline Glick, because she wrote a good review for Pam Gellar, right?

    You catch on quick.

    The insanity is all over the place lately, here we have Debbie Schlussel accusing Mark Levin of supporting Hizbullah:

    No Shock Mark Levin Likes Anti-Semite Stalker Emily Zanotti, Also defended #Hezbollah, Rand Paul http://is.gd/cQwab #tcot #Israel #marklevin 1:38 PM Jun 16th via web

    http://twitter.com/DebbieSchlussel/status/16326829509


  48. RIX
    48 | June 19, 2010 6:14 pm

    Iron Fist
    41 | June 19, 2010 18:06
    It’ll be like that all over America if we don’t do something. We will be overran by the Barbarian hordes and turned into a Third World hellhole.

    Roman soldiers used to be punished by guarding the frontier.
    As Rome decayed they just quit enforcing the border & therefore their sovereignty. As we all know it didn’t end well.
    We have drug cartels & Jihadis hot footing over the border.
    What could go wrong?


  49. 49 | June 19, 2010 6:14 pm

    I have resigned myself to having to learn Spanish. I haven’t started yet, because I am stubborn, but I know I’ll have to do it eventually. I’m mad as hell about it, too. This is an invasion and the whole point of the Federal government is to deal with things like this. If we aren’t going to secure the border, why have a Federal government at all? Let each State decide what is best for dealing with the invasion. Time to start raising armies and preparing for war.


  50. snork
    50 | June 19, 2010 6:17 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    Schlussel seems to be the antiChuck. Just as nuts, but in the other direction. At least she’s better looking than Chuck.


  51. RIX
    51 | June 19, 2010 6:18 pm

    snork wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    They are piling on Caroline Glick, because she wrote a good review for Pam Gellar, right?

    You catch on quick.

    Nah, I took a peek over there.


  52. coldwarrior
    52 | June 19, 2010 6:20 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    yep. my brother said i need several more handguns. they should be planted strategically around the house, in the vehicle, and one on my person at all times. and they should all be the same model or very similar for ease of use in an emergency.

    makarovs.

    my favorite for carry.


  53. Nevergiveup
    53 | June 19, 2010 6:21 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    If we continue to fight amongst ourselves like this, we are never going to defeat the real enemy, the democrats and progressives


  54. MrPaulRevere
    54 | June 19, 2010 6:23 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    Schlussel seems to be the antiChuck. Just as nuts, but in the other direction. At least she’s better looking than Chuck.

    The esteemed Mr. Johnson gets a mention in the comments at her blog where she attacks Hot Air green room contributor Cassy Fiano, who seemed to be ok in my book:

    Debbie I wanted to let you know that I found your attack on Casey disgusting and petty and I will not be frequenting your site again until you apologize and post a retraction.

    Are you looking to replace Charles Johnson ? If you are, you’re well on your way.

    You’ll be doing it without me though

    atwood on June 19, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/23355/photo-of-the-day-two-bit-backwoods-hooker-or-anti-semitic-conservative-blogger/


  55. Nevergiveup
    55 | June 19, 2010 6:23 pm

    What happened to the last conservative in NYC?


  56. MrPaulRevere
    56 | June 19, 2010 6:24 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I tend to agree, but all political movements clean house from time to time.


  57. Nevergiveup
    57 | June 19, 2010 6:27 pm

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I tend to agree, but all political movements clean house from time to time.

    This doesn’t sound so much like cleaning house as much as settling old scores


  58. snork
    58 | June 19, 2010 6:28 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    What happened to the last conservative in NYC?

    Bloomberg outlawed him.


  59. RIX
    59 | June 19, 2010 6:28 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    Schlussel seems to be the antiChuck. Just as nuts, but in the other direction. At least she’s better looking than Chuck.

    Debbie Schlussel is a raging loon. She piled on Daryl Issa as an Arab & supporter of Islamic extremism. That’s nonsense the guy is an Arab
    Christian.
    Snork, that picture of her on her blog is not representative.
    She really doesn’t look all that good.


  60. yenta-fada
    60 | June 19, 2010 6:29 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I have resigned myself to having to learn Spanish. I haven’t started yet, because I am stubborn, but I know I’ll have to do it eventually. I’m mad as hell about it, too. This is an invasion and the whole point of the Federal government is to deal with things like this. If we aren’t going to secure the border, why have a Federal government at all? Let each State decide what is best for dealing with the invasion. Time to start raising armies and preparing for war.

    Disclaimer. Not advice. Contains homophobic material. etc. etc.

    http://nalert.blogspot.com/2010/06/flashback-pastor-manning-warns-white.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/wHtV+%28Newsalert%29


  61. snork
    61 | June 19, 2010 6:30 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    If we continue to fight amongst ourselves like this, we are never going to defeat the real enemy, the democrats and progressives

    I’m less concerned with purging the nuts than the people who can’t be worked with. Everybody is nuts to some extent, but only “special” people are impossible to cooperate with.


  62. yenta-fada
    62 | June 19, 2010 6:31 pm

    Another OT article. Israeli hacker breaks into IHH site:

    http://www.thejidf.org/2010/06/israeli-hacker-hits-ihh-terrorist.html


  63. snork
    63 | June 19, 2010 6:31 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Snork, that picture of her on her blog is not representative.
    She really doesn’t look all that good.

    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???


  64. MrPaulRevere
    64 | June 19, 2010 6:32 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Yes, and when someone loses sight of a goal and spends 80% of their time settling scores, they are of no value.


  65. coldwarrior
    65 | June 19, 2010 6:33 pm

    RIX wrote:

    snork wrote:
    @ MrPaulRevere:
    Schlussel seems to be the antiChuck. Just as nuts, but in the other direction. At least she’s better looking than Chuck.

    Debbie Schlussel is a raging loon. She piled on Daryl Issa as an Arab & supporter of Islamic extremism. That’s nonsense the guy is an Arab
    Christian.
    Snork, that picture of her on her blog is not representative.
    She really doesn’t look all that good.

    agreed, she is a nut.


  66. snork
    66 | June 19, 2010 6:34 pm

    @ RIX:
    I mean dood. At least Chuck is up front about being fat, old, and scruffy.


  67. RIX
    67 | June 19, 2010 6:36 pm

    snork wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Snork, that picture of her on her blog is not representative.
    She really doesn’t look all that good.
    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???

    Seriously, I have seen her interviewed.
    The picture & the actual Debbie would never be confused for the same person.
    I know that she is a nut, but I thought a hot nut. Disappointing.


  68. MrPaulRevere
    68 | June 19, 2010 6:38 pm

    From the “some wake up sooner than others file”:

    bj6/19/2010 2:47:37 pm PDT

    * -1
    * down
    * up
    * report

    re: #240 Varek Raith

    Please, parachute off that high horse of yours.
    :)

    You and your buddies first.

    What is it here, one tiny disagreeing remark and the vipers come out to tear another poster apart over it? Is this the LGF policy now? Buh-bye.


  69. RIX
    69 | June 19, 2010 6:38 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I mean dood. At least Chuck is up front about being fat, old, and scruffy.

    Yeah, but CJ is a snappy dresser with a great hairdo./


  70. RIX
    70 | June 19, 2010 6:39 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    Good for that guy.


  71. coldwarrior
    71 | June 19, 2010 6:42 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:

    nice…someone got hit with the stark fist of reality.


  72. MrPaulRevere
    72 | June 19, 2010 6:42 pm

    snork wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:
    @ MrPaulRevere:
    If we continue to fight amongst ourselves like this, we are never going to defeat the real enemy, the democrats and progressives

    I’m less concerned with purging the nuts than the people who can’t be worked with. Everybody is nuts to some extent, but only “special” people are impossible to cooperate with.

    Good analysis as usual, that’s why Buckley and Goldwater dismissed the John Birch society.


  73. RIX
    73 | June 19, 2010 6:43 pm

    Later Gators


  74. snork
    74 | June 19, 2010 6:45 pm

    @ RIX:
    Dang. This is kind of amazing. Some photoshopping going on, or what?

    DS1 DS2

    Either those aren’t the same woman, or she aged monstrously.


  75. MrPaulRevere
    75 | June 19, 2010 6:46 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    nice…someone got hit with the stark fist of reality.

    I see the dreaded ‘Flemish Menace’ made a return to that moronic blog today.


  76. chickadee
    76 | June 19, 2010 6:47 pm

    zero is out golfing this fine afternoon as the oil continues to gush.
    Imagine if this was Pres. Bush relaxing and enjoying himself, like all is well.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/104313-obama-hits-golf-course-with-biden-on-another-hot-humid-weekend


  77. Empire1
    77 | June 19, 2010 6:48 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Spanish is the one language I refuse to even try to learn. I studied French in HS, learned enough German to communicate (with the aid of a dictionary) and read Perry Rhodan books, tried not too successfully to teach myself Russian, and learned Esperanto just for fun. But Spanish? Huh-uh. No blinkin’ way!


  78. Nevergiveup
    78 | June 19, 2010 6:50 pm

    “Israeli threats against women activists and journalists who are organizing new flotillas serve as proof of the immense fear the Zionists are living in,” Hezbollah’s Executive Council Chief Hashem Safieddine said Saturday.

    Speaking at an event marking the opening of Hezbollah summer camps in Lebanon’s Bekaa Valley, Safieddine said Israel “is terrified by a boat carrying women who want to deliver aid to Gaza. How will this Israel be able to face the rockets and the resistance bloc in the next confrontation? This is the Zionist entity in its current state and its deteriorating ability.

    Sounds like a decleration of War to me.


  79. coldwarrior
    79 | June 19, 2010 6:50 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Dang. This is kind of amazing. Some photoshopping going on, or what?
    DS1 DS2
    Either those aren’t the same woman, or she aged monstrously.

    WOW!!!!
    her blog is false advertising.

    and she’s a nut job for her comments that the entire ohio tea party are nazi anti-semites because they had james trafficant speak at an event in y-town.

    (trafficant was involved in the demjanuk thing, one of his constituents in youngstown))


  80. snork
    80 | June 19, 2010 6:50 pm

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    Good analysis as usual, that’s why Buckley and Goldwater dismissed the John Birch society.

    I was actually thinking more along the lines of a couple of contributors here who are no longer with us. It doesn’t matter how great you are if you can’t work with other people. I certainly don’t agree with all viewpoints expressed here, but you have to form coalitions with somebody. The people who aren’t with us expected the world to adapt to them, and it didn’t.

    This was what was so ridiculous about Chuck’s cult. There’s no diversity there. Another old-time just bit the dust in the past hour.


  81. coldwarrior
    81 | June 19, 2010 6:51 pm

    @ Empire1:

    you can speak english or german in spain, they wont mind


  82. MrPaulRevere
    82 | June 19, 2010 6:51 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Dang. This is kind of amazing. Some photoshopping going on, or what?
    DS1 DS2
    Either those aren’t the same woman, or she aged monstrously.

    Picture #1 cries out for a GIF of her and the newly obese CJ.


  83. Empire1
    83 | June 19, 2010 6:51 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Agreed — I like Makarovs too. They fit my hand nicely, which is unusual — and fits my husband’s larger hand just as well. Nice handgun!


  84. yenta-fada
    84 | June 19, 2010 6:53 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Dang. This is kind of amazing. Some photoshopping going on, or what?
    DS1 DS2
    Either those aren’t the same woman, or she aged monstrously.

    It’s called ‘gaining weight’. Sigh. Like what happens when women sit at the computer too much. sigh Women store fat more readily than men.
    Life is hard.


  85. snork
    85 | June 19, 2010 6:57 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    It’s called ‘gaining weight’. Sigh. Like what happens when women sit at the computer too much. sigh Women store fat more readily than men.
    Life is hard.

    Life sucks. So do liposuction machines. :evil:


  86. coldwarrior
    86 | June 19, 2010 7:01 pm

    Empire1 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Agreed — I like Makarovs too. They fit my hand nicely, which is unusual — and fits my husband’s larger hand just as well. Nice handgun!

    and usually a very good bargain. they are high quality pistols.


  87. 87 | June 19, 2010 7:05 pm

    @ snork:

    Another old-time just bit the dust in the past hour.

    Who?


  88. coldwarrior
    88 | June 19, 2010 7:07 pm

    delmonico’s to cook….bbl


  89. snork
    89 | June 19, 2010 7:09 pm

    @ savage:
    BJ


  90. Alberta Oil Peon
    90 | June 19, 2010 7:14 pm

    Nice work, Snork.


  91. yenta-fada
    91 | June 19, 2010 7:14 pm

    snork wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    It’s called ‘gaining weight’. Sigh. Like what happens when women sit at the computer too much. sigh Women store fat more readily than men.
    Life is hard.
    Life sucks. So do liposuction machines.

    You first. :-)


  92. snork
    92 | June 19, 2010 7:15 pm

    What’s wrong with this picture?

    391 SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:40:00pm

    re: #365 BryanS

    You’ve just committed a “use mention error” by mixing belief in the veracity of the stories of faith with belief in “the stories”. For example, an atheist can believe in the “concept” of a god, but not believe in a god.

    Sure, I believe in the parables too, but I don’t think they are true.

    As long as parables are simply stories and not monikers of the tenets of faith, then why don’t we all pray to Beowulf for saving us from Grendel?

    The parables were never meant to be other than stories. Jesus doesn’t say ‘this really happened just the other day’, although some of them might have, he says “this is what the Kingdom of God is like”.


  93. snork
    93 | June 19, 2010 7:16 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Cj should get an old Mercedes 240d, and then a lipo. He’d have fuel for life. :twisted:


  94. 94 | June 19, 2010 7:17 pm

    @ snork:

    ok, thanks


  95. snork
    95 | June 19, 2010 7:19 pm

    It gets……weirder…

    447 SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:56:10pm

    re: #432 darthstar

    I don’t think I can fit inside my dad’s testicles, either…though he does have some big balls.

    Isn’t it wonderful to think that you yourself were once a sperm?

    Isn’t SFZ supposed to be female? That’s a rather misogynous thing to say, no?


  96. snork
    96 | June 19, 2010 7:22 pm

    It’s a jiz thread now, and Spacejiz isn’t there.


  97. 97 | June 19, 2010 7:23 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    She’s crazy!


  98. 98 | June 19, 2010 7:24 pm

    @ snork:

    SFZ an expert on the New Testament?


  99. 99 | June 19, 2010 7:24 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    you can speak english or german in spain, they wont mind

    Well, they will mind, especially if you are an American, but they won’t sneer at you like a Frenchie will.

    Every time I traveled, every place I traveled to, I tried to speak the local lingo, even if it was “Southern”. ;)


  100. yenta-fada
    100 | June 19, 2010 7:26 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Cj should get an old Mercedes 240d, and then a lipo. He’d have fuel for life.

    bwaaaaahaaaaahaaa


  101. MrPaulRevere
    101 | June 19, 2010 7:27 pm

    Today is the birthday of an American legend. Lou Gehrig: I hear a lot of people ruminating on what it will take to save America from the predicament we find ourselves in. I would suggest that the values he lived his life by as a starting point. He had a work ethic that was second to none (according to wikipedia he played with bone fractures), he rarely complained and felt grateful for the opportunities that came his way. And even in the face of adversity he was gracious.


  102. 102 | June 19, 2010 7:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ snork:
    SFZ an expert on the New Testament?

    SChmuck’s extensive expertise on, well, EVERYTHING, just oozes into the posters over there.


  103. 103 | June 19, 2010 7:28 pm

    @ Empire1:

    But Spanish? Huh-uh. No blinkin’ way!

    What’s wrong with Spanish? Like Italian and Portuguese it’s closer to the real Latin. French is debased Latin.


  104. 104 | June 19, 2010 7:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    But Spanish? Huh-uh. No blinkin’ way!
    What’s wrong with Spanish? Like Italian and Portuguese it’s closer to the real Latin. French is debased Latin.

    The French are just debased, and let’s leave it at that. ;)


  105. 105 | June 19, 2010 7:32 pm

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    Today is the birthday of an American legend. Lou Gehrig:

    I hear a lot of people ruminating on what it will take to save America from the predicament we find ourselves in. I would suggest that the values he lived his life by as a starting point. He had a work ethic that was second to none (according to wikipedia he played with bone fractures), he rarely complained and felt grateful for the opportunities that came his way. And even in the face of adversity he was gracious.

    A character trait that at one time used to be so common as to taken for granted. Nowadays such would stand out like a flashing neon sign, and be totally ridiculed as “old fashioned”.


  106. MrPaulRevere
    106 | June 19, 2010 7:38 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:
    In the new fashioned America we have endless unemployment benefits and a class of people who would crawl through broken glass for a book of food stamps…


  107. Empire1
    107 | June 19, 2010 7:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Empire1:
    But Spanish? Huh-uh. No blinkin’ way!
    What’s wrong with Spanish? Like Italian and Portuguese it’s closer to the real Latin. French is debased Latin.

    I have nothing at all against Spanish as a language, and if for some unknown reason I had to go to a Spanish-speaking country as other than a tourist, I would indeed learn at least enough for basic communication. But I will not learn it to communicate inside the United States, an English-speaking country.

    In other words, I’m not going to surrender to invaders even in that way.


  108. 108 | June 19, 2010 7:43 pm

    @ Empire1:

    But I will not learn it to communicate inside the United States

    Gotcha.

    In other words, I’m not going to surrender to invaders even in that way.

    They don’t speak real Spanish anyway. I barely understand their Spanish when I’ve spoken to them. It’s basically a dialect. What’s messed up is that the Progressives don’t teach English in Schools to some Hispanic students.

    The Progressives are to blame.


  109. 109 | June 19, 2010 7:53 pm

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:
    In the new fashioned America we have endless unemployment benefits and a class of people who would crawl through broken glass for a book of food stamps…

    Here on the Left Coast, in Washingtonistan State, food stamps are done via a debit card type system. The other day I was behind some tweaked out, twitchy druggie with “the card” that asked the check-out clerk if she had to buy something to get “cash back”. The clerk grimaced and said no. 3 minutes later the “patron” walked out the door with $375, the whole amount on the card, while pushing a cart with 3 dirty, little kids.


  110. 110 | June 19, 2010 7:59 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:

    In the new fashioned America we have endless unemployment benefits

    I disagree. After I lost my job, I filed for unemployment (have never taken a DIME in the 33 years I have been working.) Had to fill out a bunch of forms and send them to Sacramento. Got a letter a couple weeks after and I was denied ANY type of benefit.


  111. 111 | June 19, 2010 8:03 pm

    @ Empire1:

    I’ve been trying for years to learn Russian with little success. When I meet East Europeans who taught themselves English while living behind the Iron Curtain (I went to school with a Romainian chick like that) I am just soooooo impressed. I can read Russian OK (I love the Cyrillic alphebet), but I can’t understand what I am reading for the most part. I’m hung up on the Civil War right now, and will be doing that for the next three years or so, but one day I will know Russian. I want to go to Dzerzhinsky Square and be able to speak to the people.


  112. 112 | June 19, 2010 8:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    You ought to get hold of Princess Natasha. She’s from St.Petersburg and she is the real deal. I think she would be a great help.


  113. 113 | June 19, 2010 8:06 pm

    @ Empire1:

    LEveryone should have an AK 47. It is just one of those basic tools, like a hammer, that everyone needs. :twisted:


  114. 114 | June 19, 2010 8:09 pm

    @ savage:

    I work with a Russian guy, but I’m too embarassed about my skill level to even say good morning to him in it. His english is excellent. He even follows idiom most of the time. Beuing truly bilingual would be such a treat, but it isn’t one of my skills. I know enough Spanish to say “Hable Smith and Wesson pendjo?”, and that’s about it.


  115. 115 | June 19, 2010 8:11 pm

    savage wrote:

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    In the new fashioned America we have endless unemployment benefits
    I disagree. After I lost my job, I filed for unemployment (have never taken a DIME in the 33 years I have been working.) Had to fill out a bunch of forms and send them to Sacramento. Got a letter a couple weeks after and I was denied ANY type of benefit.

    You were denied because you were taking care of yourself and through no fault of your own became unemployed. Now if you had been a drug abuser that quit because you thought someone’s neighbor’s dog looked at you cross-eyed, then you would have been given full benefits.


  116. 116 | June 19, 2010 8:21 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    well, I think he would probably be honored if you tried to speak his language to him.


  117. 117 | June 19, 2010 8:23 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:

    well, I’m gonna start my own company if I can get financing and woe to anyone who tries to fuck with me. hahaha


  118. 118 | June 19, 2010 8:30 pm

    @ snork:
    Awesome analysis. I just read through Parts I & II as well as the links. It’d be interesting to see how “OMG HUMANS ARE EVIL” National Geographic would respond to such logic. Worth submitting, especially when Part III comes out. Send it to Nature and Scientific American as well.


  119. MrPaulRevere
    119 | June 19, 2010 8:35 pm

    savage wrote:

    I hear a lot of people ruminating on what it will take to save America from the predicament we find ourselves in. I would suggest that the values he lived his life by as a starting point. He had a work ethic that was second to none (according to wikipedia he played with bone fractures), he rarely complained and felt grateful for the opportunities that came his way. And even in the face of adversity he was gracious.

    Sorry to hear that man. I would never mock anyone’s individual situation…


  120. MrPaulRevere
    120 | June 19, 2010 8:37 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    I’m not sure what happened there, can I get an edit por favor’?


  121. 121 | June 19, 2010 8:48 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    Sharing technology with others is a boon to the world, but supplying the rest of he world with the proceeds pro bono is foolish, and aside from charity, being forced to supply products of any source to others who have not worked for it is evil.

    “Hey, guys! I just invented the plow! Lookee, here’s how it’s done, and I’ve got some extra corn to sell.”
    “But we don’t have a plow, therefore you owe us corn.”


  122. 122 | June 19, 2010 9:50 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I have resigned myself to having to learn Spanish. I haven’t started yet, because I am stubborn, but I know I’ll have to do it eventually. I’m mad as hell about it, too. This is an invasion and the whole point of the Federal government is to deal with things like this. If we aren’t going to secure the border, why have a Federal government at all? Let each State decide what is best for dealing with the invasion. Time to start raising armies and preparing for war.

    Spanish isn’t difficult to learn as it’s latin-based. Pronunciation is pretty straight forward, but the irregular verb conjugations can be tricky. Just memorize a few phrases, like “Hola, pendejo! Chingase mi chucha!” and you’ll quickly find out who are friendly and who are not. ;D


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