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Saturday Lecture Series: Prof Weber lectures on Early Christianity and the Judiasm of that Era

by coldwarrior ( 56 Comments › )
Filed under Academia, Christianity, History, Judaism, Open thread, Religion, saturday lecture series at June 26th, 2010 - 8:30 am

This morning, get your coffee and walk back into the UCLA lecture hall where Prof Eugen Weber’s Lectures on Early Christianity in the Roman Empire ,(you may to follow the links out to  the video). Roman culture begins to fail, the Stoics lose their grip over the ruling class. The people in these hard times look for ‘salous’- the health of the soul aka: salvation instead of the ascetic rationality of stoicism that valued virtue, wisdom, and strength. The more the disorder in the Empire  grew the less relevant rationality was.

Meanwhile, the Hellenistic and  Jewish influence act on Early Christianity while Christianity grows and  acts to change the  contemporary world from 100-400AD.

Do feel free to get caught back up if you missed the earlier lectures on the Rise of Rome and the Engineering of Rome.  Professor Weber ‘s main point is that Early Christianity spread despite contempt and persecution from Rome.

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56 Responses to “Saturday Lecture Series: Prof Weber lectures on Early Christianity and the Judiasm of that Era”
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  1. Qob
    1 | June 26, 2010 8:40 am

    This is very important. The idea that Christianity in it’s essence is a subversive religion. It was not and should not be a state religion. We lost something important in Constantine’s adoption of it. At it’s heart, it is not a faith built for this world. When there is a comfortable relationship between the secular and the Christian, it may benefit the secular -- inculcating a moral system -- but the Christian loses the necessary separation from the world.


  2. Macker
    2 | June 26, 2010 9:01 am

    @ Qob:

    After all, the LORD’s Kingdom is not of this world.


  3. coldwarrior
    3 | June 26, 2010 9:10 am

    a very interesting point that weber brings up is that judaism remains mostly unchanged while the hellenistic and judaic traditions form early christianity’s basic ideas


  4. waldensianspirit
    4 | June 26, 2010 9:12 am

    I wonder how Isaiah got his Hellenistic influence.


  5. coldwarrior
    5 | June 26, 2010 9:18 am

    the hellenistic influnce on christianity is from rome

    the judaic influence is from the fact that one had to be a jew before one could be a christian.

    two separate influences acting on one


  6. rain of lead
    6 | June 26, 2010 9:52 am

    file this under things that make you go….”gulp”

    The First OILCANE Will Be Worse Than Anything We’ve Seen

    …Should a major hurricane push the spill towards the gulf coast there will be nothing that can be done to stop it. No amount of planning or engineering will help. No number of visits to the gulf by the president or any other official will stop the inevitable. The storm surge will drive the water and the oil miles inland. Everything in its path will be coated in a greasy bath of crude. Even the wind may have oil in it. In New England, I have seen hurricanes and tropical storms that have blown salt spray many miles inland from the coast. The leaves of the trees eventually turn brown and fall off. In the case of the gulf it will be oil that will spray the trees, buildings and everything else in the way. How far inland this oily mess will blow is anyone’s guess but it will be unprecedented in its economic and environmental damage


  7. spinmore
    7 | June 26, 2010 9:56 am

    NEWSFLASH -- - -

    Rain of Lead warns of Rain of Oil

    more at eleven


  8. coldwarrior
    8 | June 26, 2010 9:57 am

    @ spinmore:

    :lol:


  9. rain of lead
    9 | June 26, 2010 9:57 am

    @ spinmore:

    roflmao


  10. coldwarrior
  11. RIX
    11 | June 26, 2010 9:59 am

    Good morning. Everybody upbeat that Obama is in Canada giving world leaders economic lectures?


  12. rain of lead
    12 | June 26, 2010 10:02 am

    related

    Huge oil-skimming ship makes Virginia stop en route to Gulf of Mexico

    With no assurances it will be allowed to join the Gulf of Mexico oil spill cleanup, a Taiwanese-owned ship billed as the world’s largest skimming vessel was preparing to sail Friday evening to the scene of the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

    The ship — the length of 3 1/2 football fields and 10 stories high — is designed to collect up to 500,000 barrels of oily water a day through 12 vents on either side of its bow. It docked in Norfolk en route to the Gulf from Portugal, where it was retrofitted to skim the seas. The ship and its crew of 32 were to leave Virginia waters Friday evening.

    The ship will need a Jones Act waiver, EPA approval, and review by a “number of government agencies” before it could begin work. It will take 3 days for the ship to travel to the Gulf and they hope to have approvals by then

    yeah…dream on bitches


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | June 26, 2010 10:02 am

    RIX wrote:

    Good morning. Everybody upbeat that Obama is in Canada giving world leaders economic lectures?

    one day this nightmare is going to end.

    if i were merckle i’d tell him to shove it.


  14. spinmore
    14 | June 26, 2010 10:04 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    get ready for some g-20 action, torono!

    here’s the kicker: i’ve been watching the loons on Democracy Now (for one) bitching about the security fence (they compare it to Gaza as well as So. African appartied) so what do they do? carry out a “protest” that PROVES the need for a security fence. go figure


  15. RIX
    15 | June 26, 2010 10:07 am

    coldwarrior
    13 | June 26, 2010 10:02
    one day this nightmare is going to end.

    if i were merckle i’d tell him to shove it.

    Obama is doing so much damage. Now he & the Dems are talking Middle Class tax increases. A total recovery killer.


  16. coldwarrior
    16 | June 26, 2010 10:07 am

    @ rain of lead:

    idiot politician alert:

    County Supervisor Who Supports Boycott Doesn’t Know Arizona Borders Mexico

    like, totally.


  17. spinmore
    17 | June 26, 2010 10:07 am

    @ rain of lead:
    “The ship will need a Jones Act waiver, EPA approval, and review by a “number of government agencies” before it could begin work.”

    . . . it might rain cheeseburgers before that happens


  18. huckfunn
    18 | June 26, 2010 10:07 am

    RIX wrote:

    Good morning. Everybody upbeat that Obama is in Canada giving world leaders economic lectures?

    I’m upbeat that he’s not here pissin in our petunias. We get a weekend off.


  19. coldwarrior
    19 | June 26, 2010 10:08 am

    @ RIX:

    the pendulum swings, relentlessly.

    will the right have to guts to pull all of this back when they get power?


  20. huckfunn
    20 | June 26, 2010 10:09 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    if i were merckle i’d tell him to shove it.

    What would that sound like auf deutsch?


  21. chickadee
    21 | June 26, 2010 10:10 am

    RIX wrote:

    Good morning. Everybody upbeat that Obama is in Canada giving world leaders economic lectures?

    They are bored out of their minds with that idiot. They know abt. big spending. They have tried it for years and look where it got them. This really shows you the level of his ignorance and arrogance.


  22. coldwarrior
    22 | June 26, 2010 10:13 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    if i were merckle i’d tell him to shove it.
    What would that sound like auf deutsch?

    idioms dont translate real well…besides, it would probably be one very long word like DONAUDAMPFSCHIFFAHRTSELEKTRIZITAETENHAUPTBETRIEBSWERKBAUUNTERBEAMTENGESELLSCHAFT


  23. rain of lead
    23 | June 26, 2010 10:14 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    “The ship will need a Jones Act waiver, EPA approval, and review by a “number of government agencies” before it could begin work.”
    . . . it might rain cheeseburgers before that happens

    no, cheesburgers are bad for you, it would have to rain tofu


  24. RIX
    24 | June 26, 2010 10:15 am

    huckfunn
    18 | June 26, 2010 10:
    I’m upbeat that he’s not here pissin in our petunias. We get a weekend off

    I do like it when he is out of the country. The European leaders no
    longer take this guy seriously.
    I don’t remember a U.S president ever being this much of a bad joke
    & that includes Carter.


  25. 25 | June 26, 2010 10:17 am

    @ rain of lead:

    That godless cocksucker in the White House probably won’t approve of them taking part in the cleanup. It might harsh the mellow of the Unions, you see.


  26. RIX
    26 | June 26, 2010 10:18 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ RIX:
    the pendulum swings, relentlessly.
    will the right have to guts to pull all of this back when they get

    power?

    THe Republicans do have a way of missing opportunities.
    The difference now is that the Tea Parties are driving a lot
    of the sgenda, & the Republicans have to pay attention.


  27. rain of lead
    27 | June 26, 2010 10:19 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    mornin IF


  28. huckfunn
    28 | June 26, 2010 10:20 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    DONAUDAMPFSCHIFFAHRTSELEKTRIZITAETENHAUPTBETRIEBSWERKBAUUNTERBEAMTENGESELLSCHAFT

    I love the Germans and their gutteral language. My last name is a German derivision of a French Huguenot name. I’ve actually been to the German town named after me. No, it’s not hukenfunnenglaub.


  29. spinmore
    29 | June 26, 2010 10:20 am

    @ rain of lead:
    . . . that reminds me of a college paper i wrote on ‘animal rights’

    titled “Be Kind To Animals -don’t overcook them”

    i remember ending it with something along the lines of -- so if you come to my house for a picnic BYOT (bring your own tofu)


  30. RIX
    30 | June 26, 2010 10:22 am

    chickadee
    21 | June 26, 2010 10:10
    They are bored out of their minds with that idiot. They know abt. big spending. They have tried it for years and look where it got them. This really shows you the level of his ignorance and arrogance.

    Why in the world would they take economic advice from a Community Organizer (Outside Agitator)?
    The extent of Obamas economic activity is redistributing wealth, not creating it.


  31. snork
    31 | June 26, 2010 10:24 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    The ship — the length of 3 1/2 football fields and 10 stories high —

    WTF is it with the press and football fields, anyway? Can’t they spell “feet”???


  32. chickadee
    32 | June 26, 2010 10:25 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ rain of lead:

    That godless cocksucker in the White House probably won’t approve of them taking part in the cleanup. It might harsh the mellow of the Unions, you see.

    Which really shows you how much these jerks care abt. the environment. zero’s refusal to act and the failure of the eco-terrorists to be pro-active abt. cleaning up the mess is just an other example of what deceitful manipulative scum they are. There is no excuse to not accept the help of these clean up ships.
    The left will sacrifice the environment in a heartbeat to advance their fcked up commie ideology.


  33. rain of lead
    33 | June 26, 2010 10:25 am

    later guys
    my girl has been away at camp for the last 3 weeks and now it is time to go pick her up.
    I know she has had fun but I will be glad to have her home.


  34. spinmore
    34 | June 26, 2010 10:25 am

    @ RIX:
    . . . a guy who has had undisclosed monies given to him from undisclosed actors (resko et al) from undisclosed sources (tied to terrorists)

    yo LameStream -- Do your Fn job!


  35. huckfunn
    35 | June 26, 2010 10:25 am

    RIX wrote:

    I do like it when he is out of the country. The European leaders no
    longer take this guy seriously.
    I don’t remember a U.S president ever being this much of a bad joke
    & that includes Carter.

    The Euros and the Torontos undoubtedly see right thru Obowmao. Stein has a great piece this morning about Learning the Rules of an Unengaged President

    “He doesn’t seem to know, and he doesn’t seem to care that he doesn’t know, and he doesn’t seem to care that he doesn’t care. “It can seem that at the heart of Barack Obama’s foreign policy is no heart at all,” wrote Richard Cohen in The Washington Post”


  36. 36 | June 26, 2010 10:27 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Morning :-)


  37. spinmore
    37 | June 26, 2010 10:28 am

    @ snork:
    i thank them -- they know how dull we all are./ maybe we can somewhat grasp such abstractions (with thier help) if they frame it in a way we can ‘kind of’ understand


  38. 38 | June 26, 2010 10:28 am

    @ snork:

    350 years is about the effective range of an AK 47. It is quite a ways.


  39. Speranza
    39 | June 26, 2010 10:29 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    one day this nightmare is going to end.

    I keep telling myself that.


  40. spinmore
    40 | June 26, 2010 10:30 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    later guys
    my girl has been away at camp for the last 3 weeks and now it is time to go pick her up.
    I know she has had fun but I will be glad to have her home.

    . . . 2 her, 3 weeks = 3 months most likely (are u making her favorite dinner?)


  41. spinmore
    41 | June 26, 2010 10:31 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ snork:
    350 years is about the effective range of an AK 47. It is quite a ways.

    . . . is that light years? just sayin


  42. huckfunn
    42 | June 26, 2010 10:32 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    350 years is about the effective range of an AK 47. It is quite a ways.

    Think of what it will be in 500 years. :grin:


  43. RIX
    43 | June 26, 2010 10:35 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ RIX:
    . . . a guy who has had undisclosed monies given to him from undisclosed actors (resko et al) from undisclosed sources (tied to terrorists)
    yo LameStream – Do your Fn job

    !

    The MSM won’t, Obama is their guy.


  44. chickadee
    44 | June 26, 2010 10:37 am

    RIX wrote:

    chickadee
    21 | June 26, 2010 10:10
    They are bored out of their minds with that idiot. They know abt. big spending. They have tried it for years and look where it got them. This really shows you the level of his ignorance and arrogance.

    Why in the world would they take economic advice from a Community Organizer (Outside Agitator)?
    The extent of Obamas economic activity is redistributing wealth, not creating it.

    He’s like an obnoxious spoiled 3rd grader who makes a nasty scene in an adult setting and no one quite knows how to handle it. The mfm keep patting him on the head, encouraging his incorrigible behavior and other adults are too polite to take the gloves off abt. shut down his unacceptable b.s.
    zero is out of control.


  45. chickadee
    45 | June 26, 2010 10:41 am

    Speranza wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    one day this nightmare is going to end.

    I keep telling myself that.

    I tell myself that too. Believing it is the hard part.
    Hey, Speranza.


  46. 46 | June 26, 2010 10:43 am

    I tried putting this in the links, and it disappeared. Caroline Glick nails the problem of the Afghan War. Are we going to turn it around and fight to win, or are w going to continue to fight to lose? And there is this:

    This week Haaretz reported on a new hit children’s song that is making waves throughout the Arab world. Called, “When we die as martyrs,” the song is sung by a children’s choir called “Birds of Paradise.” In a YouTube video of the song, children between the ages of two and six sing sweetly of their desire to die for Palestine and are shown triumphantly killing kippa-wearing Jews.

    The Taliban’s perspective on the value of human life is similarly grotesque.

    It isn’t just the Taliban and Palestinians. During the Iran-Iraq war the Iranians would use children to clear minefields by simply marching the kiddies across the field. This is the enemy that we are fighting.


  47. chickadee
    47 | June 26, 2010 10:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    The Iranians also conscripted thousands of young boys who would charge in waves across the battlefield into the bullets of Iraqi soldiers. These boys were unarmed and aged 8 to 12. They were used as cannon fodder. Sacrificed for allah.


  48. snork
    48 | June 26, 2010 10:53 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The Taliban’s perspective on the value of human life is similarly grotesque.

    Don’t tell Chuck. He says that they guys handing out Christian literature are just as bad.


  49. spinmore
    49 | June 26, 2010 10:55 am

    snork wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    The Taliban’s perspective on the value of human life is similarly grotesque.
    Don’t tell Chuck. He says that they guys handing out Christian literature are just as bad.

    . . . if not worse/


  50. RIX
    50 | June 26, 2010 10:57 am

    chickadee
    44 | June 26, 2010 10:37
    He’s like an obnoxious spoiled 3rd grader who makes a nasty scene in an adult setting and no one quite knows how to handle it

    He does act like a spoiled, petulant child.
    It has been a life of entitlement & he can’t handle criticism,
    so he demonizes his critics.
    Every nutty move that he makes the MSM calls ‘Brilliant.”


  51. snork
    51 | June 26, 2010 11:05 am

    spinmore wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ snork:
    350 years is about the effective range of an AK 47. It is quite a ways.

    . . . is that light years? just sayin

    Guns in space!!!

    The kick from an AK will send you around the moon.


  52. spinmore
    52 | June 26, 2010 11:08 am

    @ snork:
    . . . good save :)


  53. garycooper
    53 | June 26, 2010 11:22 am

    In other news, yesterday a news commentator made an observation that Muslims seem to be prone to angry protest and death-threats, which led to angry protests and death-threats across the Muslim world.

    Good morning!


  54. Philip_Daniel
    54 | June 26, 2010 11:34 am

    spinmore wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Democracy Now

    How Orwellian a name…


  55. Philip_Daniel
    55 | June 26, 2010 11:40 am

    “It is the consensus of the scholars of this Ummah that if part of the religion is Allah’s and other part is not, fighting must go on until the entire religion is Allah’s.”--Sheikh ibn Taymiyya

    Christian Professor in Pakistan Beaten for Refusing to Convert

    “They say, ‘Leave the university or accept Islam – if you don’t convert, we will kill your family.”


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