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Choosing our battles

by Kafir ( 149 Comments › )
Filed under Blogmocracy, Guest Post, Media, Politics at June 28th, 2010 - 8:00 pm

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Guest post by: Bumr50!


Often when I open the Opinion section of my Sunday Pittsburgh Tribune-Review I enjoy reading the frequent commentary by L. Brent Bozell, Founder and President of the Media Research Center.

Today’s piece by Bozell disturbed me, however, not so much for it’s content but it’s timing.

Before I present my opinion on the matter, I must provide some context. I am a HUGE fan of NewsBusters (MRC’s site) and reserve a spot for it’s feed on my homepage. It’s role as a watchdog for conservatism is unparallelled, and I am often inspired by their contributions. In today’s column (here reprinted from Human Events), he takes aim at Grover Norquist, a milquetoast conservative who makes stupid and Quixotic decisions often.

“Comes now the news that fiscal conservative leader Grover Norquist, a man who prides himself on forming grand working coalitions, has joined the board of a group called GOProud, calling the group “an important part of the conservative movement” with a commitment to “core conservative values.”

It’s a gay group. And Norquist thinks social conservatives are going to accept this absolute abandonment?”

I am an individualist at heart, and while I fully understand Mr. Bozell’s objection as a social con. to homosexuality (as it is his right), I cannot help but scream “So what?!” The speed and power with which the Progressives are attacking the United States of America requires an equally powerful response with all of the help we can get. Republicans and Libertarians can afford the luxury of fighting amongst themselves after the ovember elections and maybe beyond. The threat that faces us is much too great to afford us the time it takes to squabble about these divisive issues.

Our momentum is both fleeting and fragile, and in my opinion cannot withstand the infighting that such a luminary as Bozell can bring to bear upon us with ill-timed arguments. Quite frankly, it troubles me that Bozell’s opposition to homosexuality is this high on his priority list. I personally would not have known nor cared what Grover Norquist has been up to if it weren’t for this column, and I’m even more troubled to find it in print than on the internet.

Bozell attempts to explain his reasoning here:

“One disturbing tendency of the old regime is coming back: Fiscal conservatives are already selling out social conservatives in an attempt to build winning coalitions without them. How many times must the GOP learn this is suicide? To win, conservatives must have not a “truce” between fiscal and social conservatives, as Gov. Mitch Daniels has unfortunately called for, but a strong, healthy alliance, with the common goal of victory.

This is perfectly acceptable to most social conservatives. Social conservatives will happily break bread in the cause to support tax cuts or any conservative attempt at fiscal reform.”

And later:

“And yet some libertarians not only refuse to work with social conservatives, they’re actively seeking out and supporting causes in direct opposition to the core beliefs of social conservatives.”

He later goes on to liken Norquist’s action to that of “declaring war” on social conservatism.

To my mind, the one who is preparing for war in this case appears to be Bozell. Our movement is not in a position to have this battle currently, and having read Bozell often enough he knows how divisive this can be and was prepared to fire a salvo anyway.

As I realize that this issue evokes some strong opinions on both sides, I would like to again stress that my issue here is not “fiscally conservative libertarians vs. socially conservative GOP,” but the timing of this rant as it relates to the urgency of our situation, along with the weight Bozell carries among Conservative media.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am a libertarian that embraces fiscal conservatism but carries many socially conservative values. I personally don’t think that marriage should be a public institution period, except when the welfare of children is involved. I am a Christian that worships in a church that frowns on gay marriage.

In my opinion, battles like this are the last thing we need right now.

-Bumr50

Read the whole article quoted here: So Much for “Core Conservative Values”

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  1. Nevergiveup
    1 | June 28, 2010 8:06 pm

    I got to agree. I have said here often, we got to keep our eye on the ball. Retake Congress in 2010 ( or at least shit can the progressives almost super majority ) and defeat Obama in 2012.


  2. MrPaulRevere
    2 | June 28, 2010 8:10 pm

    I consider myself a cultural conservative, i.e someone who worries about crime rates and the work ethic and the overall moral health of the nation among other things. GOProud doesn’t disturb me in the least.


  3. 3 | June 28, 2010 8:11 pm

    Good post and I agree. My beef with Grover Norquist is his ties to the Saudis. That said, Although I’m culturally Conservative, I’m socially Libertarian. To me it’s irrelevant. We need to focus on Economic Issues, National Defense, Good governance and Law/Order. Social issues should be a local, state issue. That said I Do NOT support Social Progressivism neither. The Traditional culture must be defended but not imposed either!

    Bozell says:

    One disturbing tendency of the old regime is coming back: Fiscal conservatives are already selling out social conservatives in an attempt to build winning coalitions without them.

    Not true, Under Bush used Social issues to trick Conservatives. In fiscal issues he was Progressive and his democracy agenda was Wilsonian Progressive. Bozell really needs to get a grip. I’ll take Chris Christie over a Huckabee any day!


  4. 4 | June 28, 2010 8:12 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:

    Exactly, I want to add voters not subtract.


  5. lobo91
    5 | June 28, 2010 8:14 pm

    I didn’t realize Grover Norquist was even still around…


  6. 6 | June 28, 2010 8:18 pm

    @ lobo91:

    he’s paling around with the House of Saud’s agents,.


  7. Speranza
    7 | June 28, 2010 8:18 pm

    This fucking gay bashing had better fucking stop or our failure this November will be richly deserved.


  8. Speranza
    8 | June 28, 2010 8:19 pm

    Grover Norquist is to busy trying to recruit Muslims to the GOP.


  9. MrPaulRevere
    9 | June 28, 2010 8:19 pm

    Here is the problem with social conservatives: They think they should have a veto power over who the GOP nominates and who is broadly considered a member of the conservative ‘movement’. I’m sorry, it doesn’t work that way. Take Jerry Falwell for example; for all the vitriol that came his way he was actually a very effective leader for social conservatives because he did not insist on a veto. He was very effective at building coalitions and realized that on occasion you will have to settle for less than an ideal candidate or policy statement. Brent Bozell has done great work in the past but is simply wrong to get bent out of shape on this.


  10. lobo91
    10 | June 28, 2010 8:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    he’s paling around with the House of Saud’s agents,.

    He’s been doing that for a long time.

    I haven’t heard his name in so long I’d assumed that he just moved over there.


  11. Speranza
    11 | June 28, 2010 8:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    Exactly, I want to add voters not subtract.

    What a quaint notion, trying to ad voters and (on this blog) posters, not lose them!


  12. 12 | June 28, 2010 8:20 pm

    Great post bumr. I agree totally; the last thing we need right now is some idiotic squabble about someone’s private bedroom habits. I want the conversation in October to be about Obama’s economic boom and how we can put the brakes on the train before he runs it off the cliff: not private life squabbles.


  13. MrPaulRevere
    13 | June 28, 2010 8:20 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Grover Norquist is to busy trying to recruit Muslims to the GOP.

    Grover Norquist SHOULD be shunned, but for the right reason’s.


  14. Speranza
    14 | June 28, 2010 8:23 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    A lot of the So Cns are hard core ideological morons,they are perfect Huckabee voters. Most conservatives are libertarians on social issues.
    We stand against affirmative action,for controlling our borders and for non activist judges and strong on law & order,. What adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is nobody elses business.


  15. MrPaulRevere
    15 | June 28, 2010 8:24 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    Tony Perkins is another gangster like figure who thinks he has veto power. They need to realize they are part of a broader coalition, and coalitions are all about give and take.


  16. Nevergiveup
    16 | June 28, 2010 8:24 pm

    The Navy Memorial will honor comedy legend Bill Cosby this year with its Lone Sailor Award, which recognizes the lifetime achievements of veterans of the Navy and Marine Corps — in Cosby’s case, a veteran who got his start because he preferred the prospect of drowning to being shot.

    “Back in 1956, when I went in, I was just looking at something simple like, well, how do I want to die?” Cosby told Navy Times. “You’re going into the service, so you’re putting your body on the line. So you wanna go in the Army? You’ll die in a foxhole. Marine Corps? Die in a foxhole. Air Force? Plane crash, or get shot out of the air. For some reason I just chose that I wanted to die out at sea.”

    But Cosby not only survived his enlistment, but the skills he picked up in the Navy got him into college, taught him responsibility and generally changed his life, he said. From 1956 to 1961, Cosby was a hospital corpsman, serving in naval hospitals, as well as a star basketball and track athlete. In Cosby’s recollection, the Navy transformed him from an aimless, uneducated kid into a man with drive, discipline and self-respect.

    I never knew he served?


  17. MrPaulRevere
    17 | June 28, 2010 8:25 pm

    @ Speranza:

    What adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is nobody elses business.

    I could not agree more.


  18. mfhorn
    18 | June 28, 2010 8:27 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Depends on the voters you’re adding or subtracting. I’d like to subtract the illegals who have been given fake ID, for example. I’d like to see people coming to their senses and subtracting their votes from supporters of left wingers like Pelosi, Reid, and the Obamessiah.


  19. Nevergiveup
    19 | June 28, 2010 8:28 pm

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    What adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is nobody elses business.

    I could not agree more.

    And there are plenty of adults I just really don’t want to know what they do in their bedroom. Don’t want no pictures or audio. Ah ah not one bit. Ya hear that Al Gore.


  20. 20 | June 28, 2010 8:28 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ MrPaulRevere:
    A lot of the So Cns are hard core ideological morons,they are perfect Huckabee voters. Most conservatives are libertarians on social issues.
    We stand against affirmative action,for controlling our borders and for non activist judges and strong on law & order,. What adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is nobody elses business.

    I agree, except when it’s Al Gore, because that’s just funny. Our great carbon prophet brought down by a couple of Bathsheeba’s after having the chutzpah to blame the 2000 defeat on Clinton’s escapades? This at least lets us know that his hypocrisy isn’t limited to climate scaremongering.


  21. 21 | June 28, 2010 8:29 pm

    Daaaaaamn!

    Brown outpolls Kerry, Obama — in Massachusetts!

    US Senator Scott Brown, who only months ago was a little-known figure even within the tiny band of Republicans in the state Senate, not only catapulted to national stature with his upset US Senate victory, but is today the most popular officeholder in Massachusetts, according to a Boston Globe poll.

    After less than five months in Washington, Brown outpolls such Democratic stalwarts as President Obama and US Senator John F. Kerry in popularity, the poll indicates. He gets high marks not only from Republicans, but even a plurality of Democrats views him favorably.

    The support for Brown, whose victory became a symbol of voter anger, is consistent with widespread sentiment that incumbents in Massachusetts and Washington “need to be replaced with a new crop of leaders.’’ That statement was supported by 50 percent of those polled, while 28 percent said they trust the incumbents.


  22. MrPaulRevere
    22 | June 28, 2010 8:29 pm

    @ Speranza:
    This might make heads explode at a certain blog, but it is perfectly logical to be a social libertarian and a cultural conservative.


  23. Eliana
    23 | June 28, 2010 8:30 pm

    In agreement with this post, we should also notice that Rush Limbaugh recently hired Elton John as his wedding singer and everyone had a great time. Elton John played a concert in Israel after that although the PC police were telling him not to go because of the Flotilla incident.

    Elton John had a fantastic concert in Israel (after standing up and shouting, “Shalom! Nothing is keeping us away from here, baby!”) as he spent 2.5 hours being a human jukebox while playing his songs from every decade that he’s been singing songs.

    He’s keeping politics out of all this, although he did say that he thinks civil unions are great for gays without the need to insist on marriage itself (especially when they get the same exact rights through civil unions).

    All this says VOLUMES about what we should be doing when it comes to someone who is friendly to us no matter how he lives at home.

    Eyebrows nearly met the tops of a lot of people’s skulls when they found out that Elton John was playing at Rush Limbaught’s wedding but more power to them all! I’m sure the wedding was a blast!


  24. 24 | June 28, 2010 8:31 pm

    The problem is that there are people, many people, for whom these are quite literally religious beliefs. You ask them, for example, to condone gay marriage. This goes against religious traditions going back to before there was anything like civilization. Until recently, almost no culture in history, not even gay-friendly Greece had gay marriage. They won’t condone this. At the end of the day, if they do, what are they fighting for?

    And why, pray tell, must they be the ones who compromise? Does their opprobrium actually harm a gay fiscal conservative? Of course not! I long ago gave up caring what most people thought of me. Look down your nose at me as scum if you will, but I am useful scum, as all who know me will attest. The gay fical conservative will have no joy from the Left, indeed, will be branded a traitor. How much more a gay who doesn’t believe in the unlimited comercial application of industrialized infanticide (otherwise know as abortion on demand)?

    Neither one of these is my particular hobby horse, but I can understand why those to whom they are important would wonder why theirs is always the side that must compromise. Why can’t social liberals compromise with them?


  25. 25 | June 28, 2010 8:32 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    What adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is nobody elses business.

    If it is two consenting adults who are doing no harm to each other or any one else, it is no business of mine or anyone else what transpires.


  26. MrPaulRevere
    26 | June 28, 2010 8:34 pm

    Gotta run, God bless.


  27. 27 | June 28, 2010 8:34 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:

    Yes, of course it is. The people that seem to have the most problem with this concept are leftists. There is a troll at PJM that always responds to my posts on Islam by accusing me of being a racist, homophobic hillbilly. There is never a coherent response to any points I make; he/she always just responds with redneck jokes. And these are the people we have to debate with?


  28. 28 | June 28, 2010 8:35 pm

    @ MrPaulRevere:

    Take care!


  29. 29 | June 28, 2010 8:36 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    For now. We may be shooting at them sooner or later. They seem intent on forcing a Civil War.


  30. Speranza
    30 | June 28, 2010 8:36 pm

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    This might make heads explode at a certain blog, but it is perfectly logical to be a social libertarian and a cultural conservative.

    oh absolutely! I am a social libertarian and a fiscal conservative and foreign policy/defense hawk.


  31. Speranza
    31 | June 28, 2010 8:37 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:
    Quite concur!


  32. 32 | June 28, 2010 8:37 pm

    @ Eliana:

    I like your attitude. I know you are a religious person, but you don’t seek to impose your values on others. What you want is the right, to live your values without interference and in turn you don’t interfere. That’s my attitude!


  33. lobo91
    33 | June 28, 2010 8:37 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ We Are Government:
    For now. We may be shooting at them sooner or later. They seem intent on forcing a Civil War.

    I think Cato is running for Field Marshall on the other team.

    He haz guns, you know…


  34. Eliana
    34 | June 28, 2010 8:38 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Gay marriage itself is a separate issue, I think. Voters have rejected this (when asked in a referendum) all places over the U.S. including in California.

    When it comes to individuals themselves or groups who are friendly to conservatism for the right reasons (fiscal, etc) then I think they should be welcome.


  35. 35 | June 28, 2010 8:39 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    They seem intent on forcing a Civil War.

    You have been talking about the cold civil; war for years. It really seems things are heating up. AN example are teh Arizona boycott. The writing is on the wall.

    Are you Nostradamus?

    :lol:


  36. 36 | June 28, 2010 8:39 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Thankfully, they’ll all be looking for hillbillies to lynch and won’t notice us standing there. For the record, a lot of people that I know that live in the mountains of NC/TN would be the opposite of me. They are socially very conservative and fiscally quite leftist, thought I don’t think they would call it that.


  37. Eliana
    37 | June 28, 2010 8:39 pm

    @ Eliana:

    Correction: IN places all over the U.S. including in California.


  38. 38 | June 28, 2010 8:40 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    He’s keeping politics out of all this, although he did say that he thinks civil unions are great for gays without the need to insist on marriage itself (especially when they get the same exact rights through civil unions).

    My feelings about the situation exactly. Leave marriage to the, ummm, “breeders”. ;)


  39. 39 | June 28, 2010 8:42 pm

    @ Eliana:

    Gay marriage itself is a separate issue, I think.

    Exactly, I’m against Gay Marriage. But what people do in their homes is up to them and only God can judge them.


  40. 40 | June 28, 2010 8:42 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    MrPaulRevere wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    This might make heads explode at a certain blog, but it is perfectly logical to be a social libertarian and a cultural conservative.

    oh absolutely! I am a social libertarian and a fiscal conservative and foreign policy/defense hawk.

    I am that most dreaded of beasts for politicians, an unaffiliated Independent voter. Studying the issues and positions of the candidates makes me even more feared. ;)


  41. 41 | June 28, 2010 8:42 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I’m so scared I could just shit. That is, honestly, an amusing thought except for one thing: before Hitler came along, Himmler was just a chicken farmer. I have no doubt that given troops to follow his orders (and keep him nice and safe), he would be willing to give fearsome orders for atrocities against the Teabaggers (and God help Sarah Palin if she fell into his hands; better to die a clean death). Invariably, these type of people will do horrific things if only they have the power to do so.


  42. 42 | June 28, 2010 8:43 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Unlike some members of the fastest growing religion on earth that shall remain nameless, we don’t really get off on forcing our religion on others. In the Jewish capital, members of all faiths (or those with no faith) are free to come and visit; the other guys don’t really like that so much.


  43. Da_Beerfreak
    43 | June 28, 2010 8:44 pm

    I would be willing to bet that the great Field Marshall Cato the Grouch doesn’t know the difference between a cartridge and a bullet. :wink:


  44. lobo91
    44 | June 28, 2010 8:45 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:

    If it is two consenting adults who are doing no harm to each other or any one else, it is no business of mine or anyone else what transpires.

    If that was what it was really about, most people would probably agree.

    I haven’t figured out what having a big parade, dressing up in leather, mocking nuns, and teaching kindergarten students about oral sex has to do with “what happens in their bedroom,” though.


  45. 45 | June 28, 2010 8:46 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    That’s not an exaggeration. Cato would fit right in with the Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro or Chavez regimes. In fact he’s the type of people who join Totalitarian movements.


  46. Eliana
    46 | June 28, 2010 8:47 pm

    When I was a liberal prior to 9/11, the one thing that I always sided with conservatives on was DEFENSE.

    I was a screaming loony liberal who also wanted America to have a strong military and USE IT to keep America safe.

    You can just imagine the conversations I had with fellow screaming loony liberals when I admitted this to them. :-)

    Oh, there was one other thing that I sided with conservatives on: 2nd Amendment Rights.

    I was the most loony liberal member of the NRA that they ever had. Seriously!!


  47. 47 | June 28, 2010 8:48 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I haven’t figured out what having a big parade, dressing up in leather, mocking nuns, and teaching kindergarten students about oral sex has to do with “what happens in their bedroom,” though.

    I agree, see that’s social progressivism. That is what I am against. It’s an attempt not to be accepted, but to impose their way on society.


  48. snork
    48 | June 28, 2010 8:48 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    I would be willing to bet that the great Field Marshall Cato the Grouch doesn’t know the difference between a cartridge and a bullet.

    Or a rifle and a gun? :P


  49. 49 | June 28, 2010 8:48 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It could happen. Things were really tense in 1994. We went to the polls, and voted a Revolution. And the Republicans failed to deliver on it. I think we can do the same thing, but part of me wonders if the Republicans will deliver this time, or will it be a waste again? The only thing that we got from Republican control of the House, Senate, and even Whitre House really was Roberts and Alito. That is not nothing, I realize, but it seems damn short rations for having carried water for these motherfuckers for all of my adult life.


  50. 50 | June 28, 2010 8:49 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    Exactly! See as a Catholic I don’t impose my religion on anyone.Notice i rarely discuss religion around here.


  51. lobo91
    51 | June 28, 2010 8:49 pm

    @ Eliana:

    I was the most loony liberal member of the NRA that they ever had. Seriously!!

    We’ll take anyone we can get.

    /Patron member


  52. 52 | June 28, 2010 8:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Exactly The GOP is on probation with me. I don’t want progressive Republicans to replace Progressive Democrats.


  53. Eliana
    53 | June 28, 2010 8:50 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    Unlike some members of the fastest growing religion on earth that shall remain nameless, we don’t really get off on forcing our religion on others. In the Jewish capital, members of all faiths (or those with no faith) are free to come and visit; the other guys don’t really like that so much.

    It was like this in ancient times, too.


  54. orangecrush
    54 | June 28, 2010 8:50 pm

    There are a lot of lesbian couples with kids already. Rather then leave them in a gray stigmatized area we should probably recognize the de facto status here. I have always been anti gay marriage and consider homosexuality a sin. But less of a sin then a man who beats his wife or kids. Less of a sin then a Bernie Madoff.

    There is no use raising kids and implying their parents are bad. Modern society has delivered economic freedom and liberty to the masses. Some of them will prefer to not be conventional.

    I question the sincerity of most gay marriage advocates though. They are pretty bigoted regarding polyamorous people. When faced with that question they resort back to something of a divine intent type of arguement. Gay marriage good. Polyamorous couples major sin.


  55. coldwarrior
    55 | June 28, 2010 8:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    it is, of course very possible for one not be a social con and be religious at the same time, all one has to do is worry about one’s own house first. that should take enough time an energy to preclude evangelizing and proselytizing.


  56. 56 | June 28, 2010 8:50 pm

    @ Eliana:

    I was also a loony liberal that supported Israel and decided not to blame America for 9/11. Obviously, going against leftist orthodoxy is the quickest way to social exclusion in some places. After living in France for a while and telling them what a flop socialism was, they all just shook their heads as if to say that they had known all along.


  57. 57 | June 28, 2010 8:50 pm

    @ Eliana:

    See my #32.

    As for me I was always on the right. It’s in my family pedigree!

    :-)


  58. 58 | June 28, 2010 8:52 pm

    @ Eliana:

    Yes! Minus the time from 47/48 to Jerusalem’s liberation in 67 of course. Then, it was turned into a latrine for members of the religion of piss.


  59. Eliana
    59 | June 28, 2010 8:52 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Well, I stopped being a liberal 9.5 years ago.

    It took a lot to wake me up, unfortunately, but I woke up completely when the time came.


  60. 60 | June 28, 2010 8:53 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    I’m glad you are on our side.


  61. 61 | June 28, 2010 8:54 pm

    @ Eliana:

    Is your synagogue pretty liberal, if you don’t mind me asking? That’s one positive thing here. Most of the Jews I know are more fiscally conservative than the German mainstream.


  62. 62 | June 28, 2010 8:54 pm

    @ Eliana:
    @ We Are Government:

    As a Catholic-Christian I rather the Jews have Jerusalem than the Muzzies any day. Jews let us repair churches and ring our bells. The Muzzies don’t. That should say it right there.


  63. 63 | June 28, 2010 8:54 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    That certainly depends on your religion and religious beliefs. I don’t thik you will convince Evangelical Christians of that. They’d be, what, roughly 30% of the population? That is a lot of people to tell to go fuck off if they won’t side with you. Gays, OTOH, are at best 5% of the population, and you have to realize that most gays are on the hard Left (no pun intended). Which side do you compromise with, if they are inextricably opposed to one another?


  64. Empire1
    64 | June 28, 2010 8:54 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I’ll take Chris Christie over a Huckabee any day!

    You and me both. Chris Christie is great! Fortunately he knows his own limitations and doesn’t think he’s ready to run for President. I hope that just means not yet.


  65. 65 | June 28, 2010 8:55 pm

    @ Rodan:
    More equal rights if you are a minority, like that NY judge that gave Hispanic residents 6 votes to give “better representation”.


  66. 66 | June 28, 2010 8:55 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    I actually read that becasue of the Left’s anti-Semitism, most Jews overseas are in the Conservative camp.


  67. Eliana
    67 | June 28, 2010 8:56 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Thanks for #32!!

    I wish I’d been a conservative all along, but I grew up with Jewish liberal parents.

    My family is still mostly liberal.

    It was always going to be tough to see beyond their views.


  68. 68 | June 28, 2010 8:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The problem is that many of these politicians that use Social issues then promote Progressive economic policies.
    Mike Huckabee is a perfect example.


  69. lobo91
    69 | June 28, 2010 8:56 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Well, I stopped being a liberal 9.5 years ago.
    It took a lot to wake me up, unfortunately, but I woke up completely when the time came.

    The moment I realized we were winning was when I walked into the exhibition hall at the Annual Meeting last year and saw how many women were there.


  70. orangecrush
    70 | June 28, 2010 8:56 pm

    What I don’t like is the GoP propensity to elect someone who later turns out to have been dishonest about his sexual proclivities and then explores them in office. If you are gay and running be up front about it. Someone likes senate pages and has the urge to text them all the time, run that flag up the poll and see if anyone salutes.

    I really don’t care if a politician dates a stripper or a prostitute. If Kate Beckinsale ran for office and hung around strippers I would be all for it.


  71. 71 | June 28, 2010 8:57 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I get disgusted when i read about Christians in the Moslem world. Even in “moderate” Egypt, freedom of religion means only free to be Moslem. I am disgusted that the human rights of Christians in the middle east aren’t even on the radar. In 20 years, not only will there be very few Jews left in Europe, but there may not be any Christians left in the middle east either.


  72. 72 | June 28, 2010 8:58 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Of course. The Religious Left is far more dangerous than the Religious Right. The Religious Right may want to save your soul, but the Religious Left want to prostitute it. They are unutterably vile.


  73. 73 | June 28, 2010 8:59 pm

    @ Eliana:

    Hey better late than never.

    In my house Reagan was like an Roman Emperor. My family no matter where they were from, Like Spain, Cuba, Dominican Republican, Lebanon or Colombia are all Rightwing!

    So I come from that pedigree!

    real Conservatism is about freedom and individualism. The Left is collectivist, like Islam. That’s why they are always allies.


  74. 74 | June 28, 2010 9:00 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    The only country in the Middle East where Christianity is flourishing is…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    Israel!


  75. 75 | June 28, 2010 9:00 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    Very probably won’t be. There used to be many Palestinian Christians. Not anymore.


  76. Eliana
    76 | June 28, 2010 9:01 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    My Orthodox synagogue is almost entirely Republican / conservatives.

    I don’t know anyone who isn’t a Republican in my synagogue.

    We should point out here that there is a Jewish sect called “Conservative” that is politically liberal (not as liberal as the Reform movement but still pretty liberal).

    It’s the Orthodox Jews in America and elsewhere who are political conservatives.

    Obviously, my parents aren’t Orthodox Jews. I’m the only Orthodox Jew in my family, as far as I know.


  77. Empire1
    77 | June 28, 2010 9:01 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Cosby was a Corpsman? Cheers and blessings on him! (From a former Marine. Corpsmen/CorpsWaves are the greatest!)


  78. 78 | June 28, 2010 9:01 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yes. Here there isn’t much of a choice; you can either be an anti-semite Jew and go along with the left, or you will be ostracized. Thanks to a media apparatus and University system that are firmly in the ultra leftist camp, most Germans still associate right wing with Jew hatred. Hitler was a devout man of leftist ideology.


  79. coldwarrior
    79 | June 28, 2010 9:01 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    this goes far beyond just the gay issue.

    its almost july and already we are losing sight of the target. lets watch the right eat its own AGAIN and snatch defeat from a sure victory in november…hope that makes the social cons feel better as they are led, with everyone else, down the rabbit hole.


  80. 80 | June 28, 2010 9:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Right but too many Social Conservatives think that because a politician is against Gay Marriage and Abortion that makes that person Conservative. That’s what the whole gripe with some So Cons is about,. They fall for these Huckabee types.


  81. Eliana
    81 | June 28, 2010 9:03 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Awesome!!


  82. 82 | June 28, 2010 9:03 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    Hitler was a devout man of leftist ideology.

    National Socialist Workers Party! That doesn’t sound Conservative to me.


  83. 83 | June 28, 2010 9:04 pm

    @ Eliana:

    Same here. In Europe, conservative is called Masorti, but it is relatively similar. I’m what you would consider modern Orthodox. I don’t know anyone in my family who is religious at all, except for some 3rd cousins that I don’t really know. I’m also the die hard fiscal conservative, but I think Obama has helped my cause there.


  84. 84 | June 28, 2010 9:07 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ Iron Fist:

    The Palestinian Christians have left for Europe and the US in droves. Same for the Copts when they can get out. The Lebanese have a very interesting pattern. It was always the Christians who were productive. Many of them immigrated to other areas, set up businesses, and then later, the Moslem Lebanese followed them to work for them. This pattern was the same in some places in Latin America as well as North America.


  85. lobo91
    85 | June 28, 2010 9:07 pm

    @ Eliana:

    My Orthodox synagogue is almost entirely Republican / conservatives.

    I don’t know anyone who isn’t a Republican in my synagogue.

    Back when I lived in New Mexico, the 1st District was represented by Steve Schiff. He was an Orthodox Republican. Good guy, too. He was an Air Force Reserve Colonel.

    The first time I ever set foot in a synagogue was for his funeral, after he died from skin cancer.


  86. Eliana
    86 | June 28, 2010 9:08 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    Yes, I am also Modern Orthodox!!

    The Jewish Outreach programs are great at helping to bring Jews back into the fold even if we’ve grown up in non-religious families!

    It’s wonderful!!


  87. 87 | June 28, 2010 9:08 pm

    @ Eliana:

    Plus as a Hispanic, I have felt Progressive racism and seen it. When I was living in Queens, NY back in teh 90′s in my HS years. When Immigrants came from Russia, Ukraine and Poland they would be put normal classes. When students came from Colombia, Argentina, Ecuador or other Latin Nations they would be put in ESL classes and taught in Spanish. That’s racist. They also didn’t teach the Hispanic students to succeed and had low expectations. they think we are inferior.

    Well here’s something these Leftists must realize, it’s called the Latin Alphabet we use for a reason. The Romans weren’t wasps, they were Latin Europeans.

    I hate the Demon-KKK-Rat Party with all my fiber!


  88. 88 | June 28, 2010 9:08 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Again, why are these people the ones who must compromise? They are the more numerous faction, yet they are always the ones called on to sacrifice their beliefs in the name of Unity. That is, if you will recall, exactly what Frum did. Should we compromise with Frum? The Religous Right do not frighten me. Their beliefs aren’t a threat to me. Why should I insist that they change their beliefs to conform with mine? I don’t see anything there that I can’t compromise with. And they are the largst Conservative faction. And the most loyal. They’ll no doubt turn out and vote Republican this fall, but why shouldn’t we make a place at the table for their beliefs? So Cato the Ogre will think better of us?


  89. 89 | June 28, 2010 9:10 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    It was always the Christians who were productive. Many of them immigrated to other areas, set up businesses,

    There are 18 Million Lebanese Christians in Latin America.My Grandmother who born in Dominican Republican, her parents where Lebanese. I grew up eating Kippe with salsa, not hummus!

    :lol:


  90. 90 | June 28, 2010 9:12 pm

    @ Rodan:

    When arguing about the history of the Nazis, I like to bring this gem into play. I ask Germans if they agree with the statement “Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz” or “Community usage before individual usage.” Being good leftists, they always agree and say that represents a social Europe. Then I drop the bomb. It comes from the edge of this coin.


  91. 91 | June 28, 2010 9:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Religous Right do not frighten me.

    Me either as i am Culturally Conservative, but there are elements who only care about Abortion and Gay Marriage. They will support Progressive like Huckabee. Socialism with a Christian face is no better than atheistic Socialism.
    That si my gripe.


  92. coldwarrior
    92 | June 28, 2010 9:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    and this is why we cant seem to beat the dems.

    the dems are an incredibly disparate and non-unified party when you analyze them, yet leftie communists all the way to kennedy democrats unify every election and win.

    we, on the right, fall on our own sword because we do not have the discipline and desire to win that the dems have.

    fight it out in the primaries and then get unified and win. we are losing the momentum.


  93. Eliana
    93 | June 28, 2010 9:14 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Liberals do Hispanic students a horrible injustice when they place very young kids in classes where they speak nothing but Spanish. Little kids are NATURAL LANGUAGE LEARNERS! They’ve been learning their own languages all their lives and they’re more than ready for another one (or two or three).

    European immigrants sent their kids to kindergarten and they learned English this way.

    Liberals are trying to deny Hispanics the same opportunities.


  94. 94 | June 28, 2010 9:14 pm

    @ Eliana:

    I agree, though I would say more that in my case, European Jew hatred beat me back into the fold. I have a couple of interesting stories in that regard that would best be told around a campfire.


  95. 95 | June 28, 2010 9:14 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    Funny how the Left tries to distance themselves from the truth. Hitler was a man of the left.


  96. orangecrush
    96 | June 28, 2010 9:15 pm

    Totten’s latest is an interview with some one knowledgeable on Lebanon and the next war there.

    http://www.michaeltotten.com/


  97. 97 | June 28, 2010 9:15 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That is true, but part of it is that they are used to being lied to by the Republican leadership. The Republicans think they have no place to go, and to a degree that is true. But they can stay home. Tell me how well that worked out in 2006? We have to give these people a reason to vote for us. If DOM works for that then it is a no-brainer to support it. You aren’t going to lose any significant votes over it. The people who’ll say “I’ll never vote for a Repubnlican again!” over DOM would have never voted for a Republican anyway. It is like the gun control issue. The Republicans have nothing to lose and everything to gain by pushing as hard as they can to roll back gun control until (almost) they are subsidizing machineguns for those who can’t afford to buy them. If you pick a few issues like this and go balls-to-the-wall over them, then you can ask the social cons to compromise a little. But to ask them to give everything up for nothing because it will make the Party stronger, well, you don’t know these people very well if you ask that. It is like adding 2 + 2 and expecting the answer to be puce.


  98. 98 | June 28, 2010 9:18 pm

    @ Eliana:

    They also don’t teach our history. I’m not going to whitewash the Spanish Empire, but I am proud that for 150 years it was the most powerful nation on Earth. This is not taught and that creates low self esteem if all you are taught that you are a victim.

    They also cover up the fact that Hispanics are just one branch of Latin. Latins are Hispanic, Portuguese speakers, Italian, Romanians and Filipinos. All these branches of this culture come from the Roman Empire who called themselves Latin!


  99. 99 | June 28, 2010 9:20 pm

    @ Rodan:

    lol. The Lebanese Christians were what made Beirut the Paris of the middle east. They’re getting out. All of the upscale Lebanese businesses here, including a new café near my house? All Christian. They more they leave, the more Lebanon will just be another oppressive Arab enclave.


  100. 100 | June 28, 2010 9:21 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    But to ask them to give everything up for nothing because it will make the Party stronger, well, you don’t know these people very well if you ask that.

    I’m not asking them to give up their beliefs, but they should not push it on others either or that’s their only concern. We need to an alliance to defeat the Democrats. That’s why to me Social issues should be a state matter.

    As for Gun rights, I’m hard core 2nd Amendment and the National GOP needs to push that issue without mercy!


  101. 101 | June 28, 2010 9:22 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    At my House I have pics of Beirut from the turn of the 20th century. They are old and we are saving them to disk.

    One thing I can tell you, never call a Maronite Lebanese an Arab!

    :-)


  102. 102 | June 28, 2010 9:22 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    You aren’t listening to me. I’m not the one you have to convince. I am completely convinced that the Democrats are evil, so convinced that I would almost pact with Satan to fight them as dealing with the lesser evil.

    You don’t have to convince me.

    But I livre and work with these people. I have all my life, and I am telling you that you do have to convince them, or they will stay home and not vote. You give them a choice like Charlie Crist or John McCain, and who can blame them, maybe. The republican establishment hasn’t offered very much to its hardest-core supporters since Reagan was President. OK, you aren’t listening to me on that, let me try another tack. If youy won’t compromise with your base, who will you compromise? And why do you think that will bring you electoral success?


  103. mtc
    103 | June 28, 2010 9:23 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    That’s what scares me about some of the rhetoric on LGF. Some of those commenters could do real damage if they so chose. Most of history’s deadliest tyrants weren’t very successful before they came to power. Hitler was a homeless bum in 1923 ten years before he became chancellor.


  104. 104 | June 28, 2010 9:24 pm

    @ Rodan:

    He was a diehard man of the left. Check out these nuggets of wisdom from the party platform.

    13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).
    14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
    15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.


  105. 105 | June 28, 2010 9:26 pm

    And of course, this is how fascism always comes in:

    “18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard of religion or race.”

    It’s for the common good! Not the good of individuals, but the collective, the people, Das Volk.


  106. 106 | June 28, 2010 9:28 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    More evil has been done in the name of the common good than in crass selfishness.


  107. 107 | June 28, 2010 9:29 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I saw this once in a business class. One of the girls was a Maronite from Lebanon and a Jordanian made the mistake of calling her an Arab. I have forgotten the exact phrase, but she told him he was “evil and backwards” or something similar.

    Many actually prefer “Phoenician.” I would love to visit the old Beirut. I’ve heard it is still nice if you stay in the Christian areas.


  108. 108 | June 28, 2010 9:32 pm

    @ Iron Fist:


  109. 109 | June 28, 2010 9:35 pm

    Bozell is right. Homosexuality is a deadly perversion and those with the deadly sex addiction should be treated with compassion, but certainly not to join or join to groups of them.

    Marriage if for a man and a woman, too.

    Let Grover Norquist go back with his Pali wife as he tries to bring hard core Islamists into the Conservative movement. Another way Norquist damages the Conservative cause.


  110. 110 | June 28, 2010 9:35 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    Exactly.


  111. coldwarrior
    111 | June 28, 2010 9:37 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    i know.

    the main thing is that the dems understand and use incrimentalism brilliantly to get what they want, in the long run.

    the repubs cant seem to grasp that concept, its all or nothing and victory be damned.


  112. Eliana
    112 | June 28, 2010 9:40 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    Who was speaking in your video?

    I don’t have a mouse of any sort on my blogging/commenting instrument so I can’t click it to go to the YouTube page.

    Thanks!


  113. 113 | June 28, 2010 9:42 pm

    @ Rodan:

    You have to share the pics when the project is done! I love kibe. Do you have a recipe?

    Night all. Take care!


  114. Eliana
    114 | June 28, 2010 9:43 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Let’s keep in mind that the independents are the voters who are changing teams the most right now. They are giving up on Zero and his policies for all the right reasons. I don’t think social issues will inspire them to vote for Zero’s merry band of American bankrupters again this fall.


  115. Eliana
    115 | June 28, 2010 9:44 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    ‘Night!!


  116. 116 | June 28, 2010 9:52 pm

    @ Speranza:

    A lot of the So Cns are hard core ideological morons,they are perfect Huckabee voters. Most conservatives are libertarians on social issues.
    We stand against affirmative action,for controlling our borders and for non activist judges and strong on law & order,. What adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is nobody elses business.

    Most of what you are saying is utter B.S. See how that works, unlinked, no fact statements? Conservatism would not even exist without the input from religious and social conservatives. Though I want to win elections, and will go far to compromise, it is NOT me and relgious based conservatives that are invading Gay Pride Day Parades and demanding our Christian float be in the Parade. This is a two way street, and usually in these arguments social conservatives are told to shelve their concerns because this time we really, really, really need to win the election.

    This was all argued on LGF and for some time if you pointed out Bush was not acting or doing conservative things in many areas you were told to shut up because we really, really, really needed to win the war. Now I have seen you practically raving on this thread with no facts or links to back up your assertions about conservatives of any stripe. You seem to have found your own hobby horse in this subject that makes you exactly what you are accusing the other side for whom you are manifestly exhibiting your contempt.

    Here is the other side of this two-edged sword, if you dismiss and revile the concerns of social conservatives you will lose, think Bush I versus Clinton. Bush I disrespected the social conservative base which is the largest single ideological voting block in this country. He went from a 90% approval rating to losing to a Hillbilly from Arkansas in one year. He lost not just because he did the “Read my lips, no new taxes,” then raised taxes, he lost because he LOST the social conservatives. Bush II won both times because he was perceived as a social conservative, or at least was friendly towards them, and this both times against the headwinds of the hostile MSM.

    With that said we really, really really need to win this one! I for one will vote for those that will save the Republic and pretty much ignore other issues, but you are delusional if you think people have a switch in their head they will turn off if aggravated by someone pushing their agenda into a conservative coalition because they think who they fuck is the MOST important thing on the earth.


  117. 117 | June 28, 2010 9:53 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    This is done for the common good. Quote from the beginning of the video reads “Violence is no answer, but a good way to fight Nazis and fascism.” The irony is astounding.


  118. 118 | June 28, 2010 9:53 pm

    @ Underzog:

    Another way Norquist damages the Conservative cause.

    He’s a stooge of the House of Saud and that’s my beef with him, not some gay group..

    Homosexuality is a deadly perversion and those with the deadly sex addiction should be treated with compassion, but certainly not to join or join to groups of them.

    Yeah because that’s the major issue facing us right now. Unemployment and the Islamic threat don’t matter at all.

    Get real.


  119. 119 | June 28, 2010 9:54 pm

    @ Eliana:

    It was Milton Friedman. Night!


  120. 120 | June 28, 2010 9:54 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    The Democrats want power, more than anything else. Power over people, power over nature, power over God (though they don’t believe in God). They have become quite good at getting it. The Party of the Ku Klux Klan saw that they were losing power in the early ’60s, and turned around and bought the votes of the very people they’d been oppressing with money from the Federal treasury and convinced the poor fools whom they had just sold back into slavery that they were their friends. And with that bought a new lease on Power that saw its culmination in the election of Barack Hussein Obama. These people could sell bed-warmers to the very devil in Hell. They are very good at getting what they want. The Republicans, not so much.

    It has been said, and is true, that the Democrats are the Evil Party, the Republicans are the Stupid Party. America is a Center-Right country, but has had a ruling Left coalition for most of the last 70 years. Part of that is bvecause large segments of the population allowed their votes to be bought with money from the public treasury. No one was better at that than Kleagle Byrd (who probably got all of the black vote in West Virgina, maybe even when he was filibustering the ’64 Civil Rights act). The Democrats and West Virgina will miss him.

    The Republicans were given a chance to put all that to an end in 1994. The long and the short of it is they didn’t, and eventually they, too, were trying to buy votes with the public’s money. Republicans cost more, because we stayed home in 2006 and the Democrats took back over. No joy, that, but when the choice is between two thieves, sometimes you walk away. I think the Republicans are going to get another chance, but they damn sure better deliver this time. If they do that, they won’t have to worry so much about cleaving together disparate factions into a ruling consortium the way the Democrats do. I do not know why the Republicans think the way to victory lies in emulating the Democrats. There’s another way, but that way doesn’t lead to power, but to liberty.


  121. waldensianspirit
    121 | June 28, 2010 9:54 pm

    Anybody here know what an “Untouchable” is?

    For those who worry about gays being bashed by social conservatives and evangelicals, you could get voting support from the same groups if you agree to work as hard to cause the “Untouchables” to leave (or change behavior in)our government and institutions.


  122. 122 | June 28, 2010 9:57 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Exactly…you said it better before I wrote mine.


  123. Eliana
    123 | June 28, 2010 10:01 pm

    @ We Are Government:

    Thanks!!


  124. 124 | June 28, 2010 10:05 pm

    Good night, folks :mrgreen:


  125. 125 | June 28, 2010 10:06 pm

    Bumr50, I’m late to this thread, but what you have said is spot on. I’m srprised that Bozell would take such a divisive tone, knowing what is at stake in a mere 5 months.

    Social conservatism has its place in the tent, but it simply cannot be an “all or nothing” proposition; if it is, we get nothing. Fracturing the party and the movement in this fashion is suicide.

    We’re all in deep shit and, as you said, we need all the help we can get.


  126. 126 | June 28, 2010 10:11 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Invariably, these type of people will do horrific things if only they have the power to do so.

    Yep. Exactly the kind of people who perpetrated Red Terror in Russia, then were, in turn, ‘liquidated’ by others bigger and meaner than them…


  127. 127 | June 28, 2010 10:23 pm

    @ PrincessNatasha:

    These American Progressives really don’t realize the horrors of real Totalitarian Progressives. They are useful idiots.


  128. 128 | June 28, 2010 10:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Night!


  129. 129 | June 28, 2010 10:26 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Social conservatism has its place in the tent, but it simply cannot be an “all or nothing” proposition; if it is, we get nothing. Fracturing the party and the movement in this fashion is suicide.

    Exactly! Our focus right now should be the Economy. A good economy leads to healthy families.


  130. 130 | June 28, 2010 10:28 pm

    @ Eliana:

    Hey we had Rick Barber last night. Plus in 2 weeks we will have another guest that will rattle the Jazz Man! Stay tuned.


  131. 131 | June 28, 2010 10:28 pm

    Here’s my take on some of this:

    1) Gay marriage- It’s another attempt by gay activists to gain societal acceptance no matter what. Personally, I’m opposed to it because it flies in the face of what marriage is in the first place, and that is a religion-rooted tradition.

    2) Grover Norquist- Because of his (and David Keene’s) refusal to address the threat of Islamic terrorism, I don’t think highly of either man at all. I sincerely hope Keene won’t cause problems for the NRA when he doubtlessly becomes President in the near future.

    3) Brent Bozell- Bumr50 is on the money here; Bozell should be more focused on working with conservatives and libertarians to withstand the progressive hurricane we’re going through right now than on trying to alienate this organization GOProud.

    4) My political label- I can’t say for sure if I’m either a conservative or a libertarian or a bit of both. Both labels have been cheapened over the years by individuals who’ve undeservedly claimed them, so I need to do some serious research before I can be certain. The only thing I can say at this point is I am very much on the right side of the political spectrum.


  132. 132 | June 28, 2010 10:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Yeah because that’s the major issue facing us right now. Unemployment and the Islamic threat don’t matter at all.

    One issue voters seem to have difficulty seeing the forest for the trees. Treating gays as sinful pariahs will simply not gain us majority status. If a man or woman extends a helping hand in extricating this country from it’s current state, I’ll not question their sexuality before accepting it.


  133. 133 | June 28, 2010 10:34 pm

    @ Morgan:

    Those are my sentiments exactly!


  134. 134 | June 28, 2010 10:34 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. That’s the key.


  135. Eliana
    135 | June 28, 2010 10:35 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Great!!

    It’s wonderful to see the guests you’ve been bringing onto The Blogmocracy Radio program!


  136. 136 | June 28, 2010 10:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Eliana:
    Hey we had Rick Barber last night. Plus in 2 weeks we will have another guest that will rattle the Jazz Man! Stay tuned.

    Can’t wait! :)


  137. Speranza
    137 | June 28, 2010 10:48 pm

    Jehu wrote:

    Most of what you are saying is utter B.S. See how that works, unlinked, no fact statements? Conservatism would not even exist without the input from religious and social conservatives.

    Listen jackass don’t ever fucking say that what I write is B.S.


  138. 138 | June 28, 2010 10:49 pm

    The issue before us is SURVIVAL; econimically, and geopolitically. I’ve no time to worry about the sexual proclivities of others; I’m far more worried about a nuclear 9/11 or another economic depression.

    Frankly, if I had a child, I would much prefer him/her to be gay than a Muslim sympathizer any day.

    The Bible has very little to say about homosexuality, and those who spend their lives focusing on it as a major issue are misguided. Gays are a far smaller percentage of the population than violent criminals and theives.

    As for the gay marriage thing, I think that the majority of gays are aagainst it, too. Sure, they want some form of “civil unions”, and I don’t have any problem with that -- it’s not marriage.

    Bozell should rethink his position on this, if there’s one thing we need right now, it’s unity.


  139. 139 | June 28, 2010 10:55 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    The Bible has very little to say about homosexuality, and those who spend their lives focusing on it as a major issue are misguided. Gays are a far smaller percentage of the population than violent criminals and theives.

    Very little, yes, but what the Bible says is crystal clear: homosexuality is a sin. Don’t know how much of the population is gay, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out to be that small.

    As for the gay marriage thing, I think that the majority of gays are aagainst it, too. Sure, they want some form of “civil unions”, and I don’t have any problem with that – it’s not marriage.

    I’m inclined to agree with that myself. The idea of civil unions for gays is more reasonable to me because the motivation behind it has to do with obtaining legal benefits instead of societal acceptance.


  140. Speranza
    140 | June 28, 2010 10:57 pm

    @ Speranza:
    I overreacted, that was inappropriate. It’s been a long day, no need to use profanity Sorry about that!


  141. 141 | June 28, 2010 11:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    he’s paling around with the House of Saud’s agents,.

    I’m far more concerned with Norquist betraying the conservative cause to Muslim interests than to the gay-pride contingent. Someone should have drummed him out of the movement for that a long time ago.


  142. 142 | June 28, 2010 11:04 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Then don’t write unsupported assertions that are patently false, THEN I will not say what you are writing is B.S.

    I think most here would like the blog to continue growing in quantity and quality, I am not some blog monitor, but when I see someone write something that is factless and obviously an emotional screed ONLY, then I will point that out, you can either mature as a thinker and writer or get your nose out of joint, your choice. Go back and examine what you have written, this assertion was at the heart of it: Most conservatives are libertarians on social issues. No…they are not, most conservatives are…well, conservatives on all issues. Some variation, of course, but you are stating what you wish, not what is fact.


  143. 143 | June 28, 2010 11:18 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    MrPaulRevere wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    What adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is nobody elses business.
    I could not agree more.
    And there are plenty of adults I just really don’t want to know what they do in their bedroom. Don’t want no pictures or audio. Ah ah not one bit. Ya hear that Al Gore.

    LOL…


  144. 144 | June 28, 2010 11:19 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    A lot of the So Cns are hard core ideological morons,they are perfect Huckabee voters. Most conservatives are libertarians on social issues.

    Wow, now that is just plain insulting.


  145. 145 | June 28, 2010 11:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Yeah because that’s the major issue facing us right now. Unemployment and the Islamic threat don’t matter at all.
    Get real.

    Didn’t you know that all ills in the world are the result of allowing gays to live? Pastor Phelps says so!

    / if you need this you really don’t understand.Jehu wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Then don’t write unsupported assertions that are patently false, THEN I will not say what you are writing is B.S.

    Coming from the master of unsupported assertions, this is beyond irony.


  146. 146 | June 28, 2010 11:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. That’s the key.

    What was the Clinton camp catchphrase during the 1992 campaign? “It’s the economy, stupid!”


  147. 147 | June 29, 2010 1:22 am

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:

    Coming from the master of unsupported assertions, this is beyond irony.

    Name one.

    And great straw-man argument, so if I do not run to embrace Gay positions I am like Pastor Phelps? And everyone must be exclusively focused on only what YOU consider important? Once again social conservatives are the largest ideological voting block in this country, prove me wrong, name any other group as large. Funny but I saw more divisiveness in this thread than most others here, and it was those pushing their demands that everyone shut up and not voice any disunity vis-a-vis gay activity or political demands, all in the name of preserving our democracy, on a blog called the blogmocracy, by those that are demanding silence or conformity to something that is important to about 35% of the voting public.

    I wonder why when the gay agenda is brought up it always brings division, but it is never the gay lobby held to account, everyone swallow and shut up.

    I take away from this that in your mind anyone with religious convictions is crazy, or they “Are like Pastor Phelps.” Thanks for the illumination of your character. Words mean something.


  148. 148 | June 29, 2010 10:36 am

    @ Rodan:
    This nonsense of men having sex with men (MSM) is a major issue. It is ridiculous that these dangerous practices are being pushed as a legitimate alternate or even superior lifestyle.

    Conservatives should not engage in the fool hardiness of associating themselves with people with such a sex addiction who so repulse so many Americans.

    Bozell and other Conservatives are correct on this.

    Incidentally, such a stand might pick up black votes in the off year since it was blacks in Ca. that crushed the gay marriage amendment in Ca. and Obama is not running in 2010.


  149. 149 | June 29, 2010 12:10 pm


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