From Robert Stacy McCain himself.
Here it is, enjoy…
Listen, I would have liked to comment on this:
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2010/06/28/the-insane-ramblings-of-rev-manning/Your comments are members-only, however, so I’m e-mailing you instead.
It ought to be obvious to you by now that Charles Johnson is deceiving his readers about his motives — posturing as The Great Crusader Against Conservative Racism — just as he is deceiving them about me. His idiocy about the SiteMeter login is merely Johnson’s latest imposition on the gullibility of LGF readers who share his delusion that everything knowable can be known via the Internet.
Here is the SiteMeter URL for the original Blogspot site:
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s29othermccainAs you can see, the login is simply “othermccain.” Smitty joined as co-blogger in March 2009, about a year after I began blogging full-time. It was Smitty (an IT specialist by trade) who convinced me, after much nagging, that we should switch the blog to a custom WordPress platform.
Because this move was Smitty’s idea and he was more familiar with the requirements thereof, I left the technical wizardry to him, including the installation of SiteMeter. We couldn’t migrate the SiteMeter from the old blog to the new site, so Smitty created a new account, setting the “start” number for total visits at the new site as the 12/30/09 total from the old site. (We launched full-time on the new site 1/1/10.)
Smitty chose “PorchManque” as the login for the new SiteMeter, employing a nickname for himself that he had used occasionally on the blog in referring to his sidekick role, compiling the FMRJA Saturday roundups and the Rule 5 Sunday posts, etc. It signifies nothing except perhaps as an example of Smitty’s love of Carrollesque wordplay, and I gave it no thought at all.
The fact that no one else gave it any thought until Charles Johnson jumped on it speaks volumes. Given the extreme scrutiny to which I’ve been subjected on the topic of raaaaacism, don’t you suppose someone else might have seized on this evidence before now? Johnson only noticed it because I mentioned on Twitter that one of his posts slamming me had delivered less traffic than random Google searches for Miley Cyrus. This prompted him to look at my SiteMeter, where his Javert-like obsession led him to an yet another idiotic “a-ha” blunder.
Charles Johnson counts on his readers being as foolish as he is, which is why he began purging anyone who questioned him after he began his jihad against Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, et al. Once a few clever readers began noticing that the Lizard King was an idiot, Johnson became gripped by the narcissist’s greatest fear: That others will discover his fundamental worthlessness.
Once Johnson had committed himself to the anti-Geller jihad, it was impossible for him to say, “Hey, you know, maybe I’m wrong about this Vlaams Belang stuff. Maybe the political situation in Belgium is more complex than I’ve made it out to be. And maybe, in the grand scheme of things, Belgian nationalism isn’t really a grave threat to world peace.”
This is the nub of it, you see: Johnson’s inability to discern between dangers real and imagined, his lack of a rational sense of proportion about various potential threats. Such a lack of discernment is characteristic of paranoia. It may well be the case that some founders of Vlaams Belang could fairly be labeled neo-fascist, and that some voters who supported VB were also ill-motivated. I don’t know, as I haven’t spend a lot of time examining the evidence for those claims. But Geller and Spencer (and other Americans) who have traveled to Belgium say that this Nazi smear on VB is unfair. More to the point, what is the likelihood of some sort of latter-day brownshirt operation taking power in Belgium? And how serious is that alleged threat, when compared to the Islamicization of Europe?
Here you see the common thread between Johnson’s anti-Geller jihad and his mad rantings about creationists and global-warming “denialists.” It doesn’t matter whether you agree with Johnson on these issues or not. Are these real dangers to the commonweal? No. Are bible-thumpers crashing airliners into skyscrapers? Are policy analysts from the Competitive Enteprise Institute going on murder rampages at Army bases? Of course not. But Johnson can’t tell the difference between his pet peeves and genuine dangers, and people who don’t share his pet peeves are suspected of being in league with the enemy.
I’ve studied Johnson’s modus operandi and, what’s more, I know the type: People who seek to impress others by a pretended expertise, and who become enraged when it is pointed out that they don’t actually know what they’re talking about. Everybody knows the guy who, when among a group of football fans watching a game on TV, makes a point of lecturing about the zone defense, etc., presenting himself as an authority to whom others must defer. And if you question his authority, however mildly, he’ll get angry and start arguing vehemently as if disagreement were an insult. It’s about him, you see.
Thanks to Al Gore’s invention of the Internet, such people are no longer content to bore and annoy their friends, now they can bore and annoy the whole world, arguing endlessly about the most inconsequential things.
This characteristic disproportion between stimulus and response, was what first drew my attention to the LGF-Geller feud. It was the day after the 2008 election and Charles Johnson decided that the way to mark the occasion was to lash out at his idee fixe. I called him on it:
http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2008/11/pam-geller-nazi.html“Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs has apparently decided that the problem with the conservative movement is that it needs more purges, and Pam Geller at Atlas Shrugs seems to be his designated scapegoat. . . . Pam is a good person and I would suggest that this guilt-by-association ‘urge to purge’ is antithetical to the best interests of conservatism. You can’t build a movement by the process of subtraction.”
Given everything that conservatives had to worry about on Nov. 5, 2008, how did Geller’s association with Belgian nationalists rate such attention? And we might say the same thing about Johnson’s fascination with my alleged racism. Johnson evidently didn’t think this worth noticing until after he saw Stephen Green was getting my phoned-in reports from the 9/12 March on DC. I then devoted two entire weeks to defending myself, the main point of my argument being that Charles Johnson is an idiot.
Not everything knowable is on the Internet. What Johnson can’t seem to grasp is that he can pile up online “evidence” to his heart’s content without ever changing the opinions of people who actually know me. And because I’m outgoing and gregarious, there are many hundreds of such people.
This is where Johnson becomes infuriated, you see. He keeps attacking me, and demanding that others shun me, and when this doesn’t happen, he encourages his readers to leap to the wrong conclusion: “Ah! They’re all in on it together!” It apparently never occurs to the LGF readers that the reason I’m not being shunned is because people have worked with me and hung out with me and know me well enough to know that I’m not what Johnson says I am.
Notice how, in his attacks, Johnson keeps repeating the label “white supremacist blogger,” an accusation that can be disproven by anyone who cares to read my blog. I had been blogging full-time for 18 months when Johnson attacked me and never once blogged anything that caused anyone to accuse me of racism. Yet it is important for Johnson to keep repeating the label, so that none of his remaining readers will be led to begin reading The Other McCain, from which experience they might conclude that Charles is full of crap, that my blog is not a “white supremacist” site.
Why have I written at such lengths in response to that post? Because I noticed some commenters at the Blogmocracy were engaged in debating whether or not the writer had been inciting or defending racism by employing the term “porch monkey” in his discussion of Johnson’s “PorchManque” blunder. One of the commenters, being from North Texas, said he’d only ever heard the term “porch monkey” used as a racial epithet. Smitty is from the Pacific Northwest, and I doubt that connotation ever entered his mind.
More importantly, I ask you to consider the ultimate futility of Johnsonism, which I would define as raking through online “evidence” with the belief that you are “proving” something about the character of people you don’t know. The comments on that thread quickly turned into a game of “Pin-the-Tail-on-the-Racist” — j’accuse!
Don’t let that foolishness take hold at the Blogmocracy as it did at LGF. In the Age of Obama, anyone who doesn’t vote Democrat is automatically assumed to be racist by liberals, and conservatives are only abetting liberal nonsense when they seize on such thin pretexts to make these accusations against each other. If anyone in the conservative movement wishes to do something about racism, let him do so in a positive and effective way, by supporting candidates like Vernon Parker:
http://theothermccain.com/2010/04/07/vernon-parker-trained-by-the-best/Let Vernon Parker go to Congress, and let Charles Johnson go to hell. As for me, well, to borrow a lyric from John Lennon, everybody’s got something to hide except me and my manque.
Robert Stacy McCain
Co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of
DONKEY CONS:
Sex, Crime & Corruption in the Democratic Party
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595550240
Tags: Pamela Geller, Robert Stacy McCain
bwahaha
Ouch, this is definitely going to leave marks all over the interwebs.
savage wrote:
And I raise you a hearty, “Ha, ha, ha………HA!”
As someone who’s spent 95% of his life in the PNW, I can roger that. I absolutely had never heard that term in my entire life before this little mini-jihad of Johnson’s.
I said essentially the same thing in that thread, real time, and got soundly slapped about for my efforts.
But then I am not as eloquent as R.S. McCain, by a loooooooong shot.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
yay
Dood. Hiding your fails is how it’s done these days. You never heard of “hide the decline”?
snork wrote:
I spent many years all over the US and the world being a sailor for the US Navy, and the supposed racist connotations of this term were expressed as “well, someone somewhere might get offended”.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
And while I’ll avoid naming names, there was a little dust-up over what amounts to precisely that here a while back. McCain’s right. This is a black hole we don’t want to get sucked into.
Shit. See how easy it is to step in it?
Hey Robert: I was bashing the green Ponytail on Twitter. You responded to me and then he blocked me. That pos was giving the script to his parrots of the tweets they were to write. He’s a damm joke and no one believes a single word he writes.
Compare and Contrast the above post by the other McCain, with the mindless rantings of Ludwigged Out Van Quack,Quack of lgf’s .0001.
I rest my case.
taxfreekiller
@ savage:
Ha! Nice work! How long before the screeching begins at The Fellowship of the Douche?
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
Speaking of, do you remember that Washington State ferry captain who was fired over his use of “coon ass”? This must have been around 1990. Do these clowns understand what ethnic group “coon ass” refers to? And the bigger question, do they care at all about facts?
@ Bunk X:
Probably 2 hours.
@ snork:
And to think I’ve been doing wrong all these years by admitting when I spank the manque.
@ snork:
hehehe. You said johnson. hehehe
Specifically this:
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Replace “Johnson” with LvQ, and it becomes even truer. What a collection of rusty nuts and bolts.
snork wrote:
Leftoids/Progressives don’t need no stinkin’ facts!
For all the lip service of diversity the Left regurgitates, when you get right down to it they are the biggest promoters of conformity ever. Fairness is the bludgeon used to stop people from thinking for themselves.
Hey! That was me! And yes, it is true in my experience that term porch monkey is a racial epithet. However I did not mean to imply that McCain or his blog was racist at all. I’m sorry if that didn’t come across in my comments. I was merely pointing out that I have never heard that term used in any other way and eventually mentioned that it’s all relative anyway since someone in the thread mentioned the word “yard ape” and I had never heard of that phrase so it meant nothing to me.
johnson is a worm in sheeps clothing, mc cain has his number, and has described the mind of that idiot to a T.
The guy can invent the internet, but he can’t talk some 50-something masseuse into waxing his wood. Spank the manque, Al.
Bunk X wrote:
To find out how much I care what happens over there, pull my finger.
“Smitty chose “PorchManque” as the login for the new SiteMeter, employing a nickname for himself that he had used occasionally on the blog in referring to his sidekick role”
Took of all 3 Seconds to check that out…
… with Stacy McCain as VP. And me as 1st Porch Manqué.
http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2009/12/in-defense-of-harry-reid.html
johnson is the worm who ate the sheeps clothing.
fixed@ justin case:
Hey Savage can you tell M to check her mail. Important.
@ Bunk X:
The Jazz Man will be angry about this!
@ Runner:
Throughout my life I have been smeared with many epithets, racial or otherwise. To find out how much I cared about the empty wind of words uttered by idiots, pull my finger.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
Pull here
Rodan wrote:
oooh, I’m so unimpressed.
@ justin case:
He’s just a Jazz Man who is jack of all trades and Master of None!
Runner wrote:
I can’t understand why people would let someone name them. But they do. If there’s a crowd of people and Hen Johnson was in the center of it. And someone called out “HEY PONYTAIL!” Do you think he would look around. HAHAHAHA
@ Grimcargo:
ok
@ Rodan:
There you are Roden. Please tell M to check her mail. You will be pleased I know.
Rodan wrote:
And here I had thought he was the JackMeOff. My bad!
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
Hey epithets don’t bother me in the least. I’m not offended or concerned. I was merely pointing out that in some quarters that term is indeed considered offensive. But I couldn’t care less if someone thinks something is offensive or gets hurt feelings from mere words.
Pull here
@ savage:
Thanks Savage. It is time related.
I agree with Robert. Having grown up in the midwest, the term “porch monkey” never had any racist overtones. it usually meant that the kids could never leave the porch and were thus stuck playing (swinging) on the porch swing. It was never a racial thing, but at most a poor vs. rich thing.
@ Rodan:
Johnson the jazz man.
al gore the jizz man.
both wankers, lol
@ Grimcargo:
I just left her a voicemail and text message
cj has morphed into a loud race baiter.Who gives a flip what he thinks of anyone who is obviously miles above his vapid rantings. Well said RS McCain.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
I agree 100%. I could not care less if someone gets offended or hurt feelings by something like this. I was merely pointing out that in some quarters it is indeed an offensive phrase.
If CJ calls anyone a racist that is usually my guide-post that they are not, indeed, a racist.
BTW – as my family is from the south a porch monkey isn’t racist. It’s usually your uncle who likes to hang out and whittle all day and enjoy the sound of nature.
Rodan wrote:
Poor lil chuckie he just can’t win. Everytime he thinks he’s got it made someone pulls the string from under his ponytail.
Buck wrote:
ditto.
@ Runner:
You were not the only one who pointed that out, by a long shot.
porch sitter, yard monkeys, drape apes…
and if yinz get ‘gliders’ then yinz is all midwest
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Coonass2.jpg
I live in the deep south and the only thing I ever heard about a porch was ‘If you can run with the big dogs, stay on the porch’ I guess thats racist to.
By God, I like the cut of this McCain fellow’s jib. Huzzah.
And with respect to vague racial and ethnic slurs, calling someone a “Mick” in Shanghai won’t produce the same effect as doing it in a rural pub in County Mayo, or calling someone a “coon-ass” in the Yukon as opposed to Lafayette, La.. In the end, it depends on the intent of the speaker.
vapig wrote:
and ditto
BTW, if you watched Rev. Manning’s video on porch monkeys, it becomes very clear that he could have been talking about the BVoAF. “Charlie” lives in the house with uMH, and the plantation slaves all work the fields for him, and Killgore Trout is the porch monkey; the one who keeps an ear to the innetwebz, and announces to “Charlie” when a white supremacist approaches.
“Charlie” then gives him a bone. Woof.
@ coldwarrior:
kukkuk
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
Not only conformity – but a bland one at that. It’s totally destroying the regional flavor in the country. I’m really tired of the left hi-jacking language just so they can start a boycott over it.
@ Grimcargo:
I have heard it in La.– but it is somewhat obscure and was out of use by the time I was a teen (not many porches in use due to A/C).
Buck wrote:
And even if it were, what is the big deal? I can only affect and change what I do, not others. Say anything and someone somewhere will take offense.
Rodan wrote:
I can’t wait for the meltdowns.
savage wrote:
and a hearty fuldkommen gak to you!
I asked my wife (who is from New England) if she ever heard the term “porch monkey” and she had not. Then I asked her if she had heard the term “yard ape” and she had not heard that one either. Her reply: “I guess the yard apes keep an eye on the porch monkeys”.
Rodan wrote:
hehehe. You said “jack of.” hehehe.
@ coldwarrior:
thanks, soldier!
calcajun wrote:
*trying to remember if i pulled that stunt on any of the drunken binges in the emerald isle…*
@ Runner:
Now, the terms “yard ape” and “house ape” I have heard for years and they have meant kids on any stripe.
cluck is such a pathetic person. He can’t write, he isn’t a clear thinker, he can only tinker with his blog and attack other people who clearly outshine him. The bitterness he uses to go after his betters is so inappropriate. It stems from his deep insecurities and his fear that others will find out. Which they have.
He is a complete joke now. No one on either side respects him.
He went as far as a guy like him could and now he is arm flailing, backwards and out of control.
…dusts off blender, looks at ice supply…
vapig wrote:
Yet if you listen to the stories as the Libs tell it only the Right, during the time of Eisenhower, forced the US to have the blandness of White Bread Conformity.
calcajun wrote:
bingo
Runner wrote:
It probably has something to do with the lack of big porches. We don’t have them in the PNW, either. The weather just doesn’t demand that people spend their summer evenings on the porch.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
Would you STOP that! Laughing out loud at work is not cool for the front desk lady!
coldwarrior wrote:
Elderly porch monkeys often had gliders.
@ snork:
Killgore is now the 007 of BVOAF! He is an operative of the Jazz Man!
Bunk X wrote:
do they also have davenports?
porch monkey
Term of endearment used to describe lazy people in general. No racial implications are intended or implied what so ever.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/products.php?term=porch%20monkey&defid=1885212
There’s lesson here for all of us…
Bunk X wrote:
What they gona do with flying squirrels
vapig wrote:
Hehe, my work is done, I see.
@ coldwarrior:
Now there’s a term I haven’t heard in a long time…
Be careful what you say. Be careful what you do..ponytail is watchin you. He is probadly going thru our drawers as we speak. Looking for signs of racism.
Hi Hen
coldwarrior wrote:
Margarita! Where the wind comes sweeping down the plain!
Grimcargo wrote:
not sugar gliders…
lobo91 wrote:
you got it.
@ Bunk X:
@ coldwarrior:
I always thought the term Porch Monkey was some old Southerner sitting outside with a radio drinking Sweet Tea.
calcajun wrote:
got some 1800 tequila, ice, fruit, mix, salt (and a little raw cane sugar)…frozen glass…
@ 11 taxfreekiller: I would agree this McCain seems sane and well thought out. Lud is a ranter without much of a foundation. All of the points here about Charles are exceedingly accurate. They should overshadow any attempt at serious conversations at 1.0.
I’ll have to re up my sock now and slow them down a bit. Give lud some misdirection.
@ shadowman:
That is what I always thought!
@ coldwarrior:
Does having an ottoman next to the easy chair in one’s home racist now?
O/T Al Gore ought to get out more. You can’t go by everything you read even if you did invent the internet. Not all masseuses are prostitutes. Well maybe she was til she saw that beached whale.
@ coldwarrior:
Make some for me!
selrahC ponytail looks silly and really stinks.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
anti-turkish bigot!
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
Only if you don’t pay him!
I think McCain can write. IMHO, he is the rightful heir to Weigels old job. Can’t imagine why the whole Weigel affair interests me, but it does. ManBAREpig’s adventures do too. LOL.
coldwarrior wrote:
Of course they do. We porch monkeys were warned to stay away from the glider because it was a finger pincher.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
That was a little before they had their KKKlan member filibuster the Civil Rights Act, right?
calcajun wrote:
hmmm….this has a ‘ice crush’ setting…
Grimcargo wrote:
Rimshot!
One of the most telling observations is that Johnson palms himself off as an expert on things that are alien to him.
An example is his self-delusional expertise on legal matters.
Without exception he is either flat wrong or overly speculative.
Anybody who called him on it is now over here.
Bunk X wrote:
precisely.
and we dont put our feet on the davenport.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
Depends on whether you put your feet on it or not.
calcajun wrote:
XD
coldwarrior wrote:
I’m equal opportunity bigot, I hate everyone the same.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
Watch out or that ottoman might become hostile.
OT-
just received this bit of pleasantness in an action e-mail.
Typical, but the first I’d heard of it.
@ coldwarrior:
That I am and proud of it!
I despise the inbred Turkish scum who were humiliated by my ANcestors!
Free North Cyprus and Constantinople.
@ coldwarrior:
and my grandparents used to get their ice out of the frigidaire
No truer words were ever written on this blog!
When I go to bed at night I am not haunted by visions of creationists blowing themselves up in shopping malls.
I just peeked in over at the swamp (fifth time in a year).
CJ Hearts Eleana Kagan, and is shinning in his ignorance of fondational classical philosphical ideas.
What a lazy minded fool he really his
Bunk X wrote:
My finger pincher was Granny’s rockers especially when she was over the speed limit.
@ Grimcargo:
Ottoman? No it’s a hassock. LOL
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
We called the folks who worked in service stations “grease monkeys.”
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee Porch Monkey
@ Rodan:
Remember Verosha
vapig wrote:
Some of the greatest strides for civil rights happened during the presidencies of Truman and Eisenhower, because of presidential “interference”. It took Congress during the 1960′s to really make a mess of things and vastly expand the over-reach of government. All in the name of fairness and equality.
RIX wrote:
SAme with darwinism. How many times has he called a newt the missing link?
savage wrote:
My grandparents got their ice out of the ice-box after it was delivered by the ice man.
snowcrash wrote:
WOW!!!
now there’s an almost never used word!
nice one.
Scott Madsen wrote:
I’m almost surprised she is liberal enough for him in his new persona?
Good afternoon, y’all.
I’ve been reading Stacy McCain since 2008. He is a Southern gentleman and great American, both of which preclude his being bigoted or racist.
I don’t always agree with him (which, IMHO, is healthy!), but he writes well and with passion. He is absolutely honest in his stance.
RIX wrote:
Not everyone, but we all are equally unwelcome at SChmuck’s Place.
@ Runner:
I may be the one who mentioned “yard apes”. That term of endearment is reserved for children, irrespective of their race. I don’t know if I have ever heard the term “Porch Monkey” before or not. I’ve lived in a number of parts of the South over my lifetime, and it is possible, but I don’t recall it or if I have, I don’t recall there being any special racial connotations to it. It seems a rather odd thing to have to be discussing/defending when Leftists commonly call Clarence Thomas a “House N*” and “Uncle Tom”, and they refer to Michael Steele as an “Oreo” and all that shit, but I recall well the shitstorm about George Allen using the term “Maccaca”. Leftists always use double-standards. CJ fits right in with them, what with his acceptance of KKKilgore’s adventures at Hot Air.
@ coldwarrior:
That’s my my parents and grandparents called them! They’re from Indiana and Illinois.
@ BuddyG:
well you could have given us some music!
@ coldwarrior:
If you like hassock, you will love divan. LOL
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
Good morning Goddenss (holy smokes she said morning)
@ Rodan:
Chuckie will be on to UrbanDictionary next,for selling porch monkey stuff!
http://www.zazzle.co.uk/custom_urban_dictionary_hoodie_embroidered_shirt-231901964319308486
My God, is there still such a site as Little Green Footballs? I can remember visiting a site with that name until it turned into shit. I can also remember that this left turn was sudden and swift. I have no problem with someone positing a left of center argument, but I distinctly remember that trite things like facts and reason also took a back seat. People who contributed to the strong success were stabbed mercilessly in the back, (Zombie, Malkin, Breitbart, Gellar, Ace of Spades, Flopping Aces, Jihad Watch, just to name a few.) I stopped reading the site in August of 2009, and I just assumed it would quickly die off. I stuck around for about 10 months waiting for some semblance of the prior sanity to return. It never did.
How come Stacy McCain ( who I must admit I am not all that familiar with, but if he hates the fat hippie at the swamp, I must be on his side mostly ) hopes we don’t end up like LGF? I mean did something happen I missed?
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
If I were to ever agree 100% with someone I’d still be one of SChmuck’s brain-dead butt minions.
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
If you like Stacy McCain be sure come in here tonight.And you missed Rick Barber.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Read the thread he linked, and the comments, and enlighten thineself.
Scott Madsen wrote:
From his current thread:
He must be referring to “fanatics” like Thomas Jefferson, I guess.
@ lobo91:
Irrelevancy, thy name is SChmuck.
Speaking of an Ottoman – what’s the deal with the Ottoman Empire? Who wants to create an empire based on putting your feet up on a piece of furniture?
I saw the “beaner” and “faggot” comments RSM used in a couple of soccer threads. He is right, soccer, a working class sport overseas, is, in this country, a sport for chardonnay drinking Volvo and Prius drivers who think their own flatulence smells like roses. It was obviously an attempt at humor, and as his daughter is marrying an Argentine national, I doubt he has any particular anti-Hispanic animus.
But when you have
Torquemada, er, Chuckles the Dancing Clown following your every comment, just waiting for a misplaced word, one needs to spell out in excruciating detail that one is joking, for the idiots like Chuckles the Dancing Clown who have trouble reading in context.Did anyone see that Chuckles claims to support the Second Amendment but was outraged the Supreme Court ruled that a city couldn’t have a blanket gun ban?
@ lobo91:
SOOO by his own reasoning, there is nothing beyond the U.S. Constitution to determine what a human being should or should not be allowed to do?
“Natural” rights are somehow “religious”?
Talk about anthro-centric and a misguided faith in mankind!
BBL. I’ve got to review for my Latin class!
Speranza wrote:
Muslims are more than happy to treat kuffirs as furniture, putting their boots on their necks.
@ Speranza:
Etymology
The word ottoman was introduced into English in the “footstool” sense in 1806 (probably from the identical French word, which also denotes a type of textile fabric), because the ottoman’s typical use in a reclining position was associated in Europe with the Orient, in line with fashionable Turkish style.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_%28furniture%29
@ Speranza:
Meth causes paranoia. Jus’ sayin’…
snowcrash wrote:
I remember div-ANN.
@ Speranza:
It’s the oxycotins he’s addicted to that causes his delusions.
Peter Principal Johnson.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
I got a headache reading all that
Ed Mahmoud wrote:
To find out how much I care about what SChmuck has to say on any subject, pull my finger.
Re: visiting Chuckles the Dancing Clown’s Ass Circus-
If his system recognizes your IP as having been banned, it will try to load malware on your computer.
Visit only by proxy…
@ Ed Mahmoud:
He has none whatso ever. He knows I’m Hispanic and has corresponded with us.
He’s no racist.
@ Bumr50:
Apparently so.
I wonder how he squares that view with the 9th and 10th Amendments?
savage wrote:
Hey Hey we’re the Porch Monkees
@ Ed Mahmoud:
Handguns are different, you see. I’m not sure exactly how, but they are. Kind of like the short-barreled rifle and shotgun thing (and those are different from each other as well as handguns), what with a quarter inch of a shotgun barrel being worth shooting unarmed women over (carrying a baby, no less. It was an “assault” infant, you see). These aren’t “good” guns. “Good” guns being what the State will allow “good” people (as defined by the State as well) to have. Subject to change, of course, as the State’s needs change.
@ Ed Mahmoud:
Have you seen our Diary of Daedalus site?
We record the lunacy of the Jazz Man.
Rodan wrote:
That would be so. After dinner when A/C wasn’t in most houses here in the deep south people would sit out on their porches to cool off and drink ice tea, I prefer mine without sugar so not all southner’s like sweet tea and even eat an after dinner dessert like watermelon or homemade ice cream. I have lived in the deep south all my life and have never heard the term at all. Sure I have heard some racist slurs but not as many as some would think.
Coonass’s are white people too. Cajun’s to be exact. And was never ever used as a racist term. Yard apes = children of whatever color..like rugrats=babies who can crawl.
I have as a child sat on the porch many of early evening eating dessert or drinking ice tea or watching a early evening thunderstorm come in and cool things off, also watching and catching lightning bugs.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
Please! Do not pull his finger! The last time someone did, it took two days to air the blog out.
@ Ed Mahmoud:
Ed the weatherman I have not seen you here in ages. Welcome back!
Ed Mahmoud wrote:
Is he really doing that? I mean that is rather illegal and certainly uncivilized. If he ever loaded anything malevolent into my computer I’d track him down like the dirty fat skunk we all know him to be.
Nevergiveup wrote:
I was getting a migraine dealing with some folks who pushed for censorship because they didn’t like the thread title, and then kept trying to shout down anyone that had a different opinion from theirs.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
@ savage:
@ Iron Fist:
I could not resist that old Borscht Belt joke.
@ Nevergiveup:
If he ever loaded anything malevolent into my computer I’d track him down like the dirty fat skunk we all know him to be.
You wouldn’t need to do that. Just contact us and we can give you the info!
@ lobo91:
That such Rights can emanate a priori through reason alone, and should appeal to the sensibilties of even the most ardent atheist is beyond CJ’s ability to comprehend.
The man is scared shitless of his own shadow on the wall of his cave, let alone questioning why the light shines.
He is a moral coward, plane and simple.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
And who was that?
Ed Mahmoud wrote:
I’ll just take the 100% protection route and not give him a single electron of bandwidth voluntarily, ever.
Rodan @138 wrote:
So, he’s got a monkey on his back which splains the “pony”tail.
Bordm wrote:
A better one would have bee to point to your avatar.
@ Scott Madsen:
He’s just a Jazz Man who thinks he’s a political expert, Scientist, Constitutional Scholar and investigator. he’s a Jack of all trades, but a master of none!
I haven’t been to Gagdad Bob’s place in a while.
I wonder if he is still handing CJ his ass so deeply and eloquently as he once did.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
Yep, threw a real hissy fit about it.
@ BuddyG:
Hey, hey…..I have to be on pain pills because of my frozen shoulder and horrific physical theraphy I have to endure. It hasn’t messed with the way I think….unless of course he is abusing them.
@ savage:
My grandparents referred to the Frigidaire as the ice box.
@ vapig:
Bunk X wrote:
So did mine.
@ vapig:
Bottled sunshine, the ultimate sanitizer.
BTW, although I can appreciate his artistic skills , jauntes cartoon is highly insulting to mcCain. McCain can probably reach him via twitter. The twit is using his real name too. LOL. In fact several of them are. If Johnson cared for his lizards, he would teach them how to hide their names on twitter, before he sends them out to open an account and work for him. But he doesn’t care about their privacy, he just wants retweets to get his message out. It’s all about him.
@ Rodan:
Hey, I’ll be seeing you tonight, and up here, he is just a Jag Off of All Trades.
The man seriously needs to pick up a few old books written by old white men in white robes before he tries to wax Oxford Don.
I won’t open my yap about most of that stuff, as I have forgotten one hundred times what I can presently recall. Not my field of endevour for many years, but I know abject ingnorance in political economy when I see it.
@ savage:
Guitar player looks like G.E. Smith.
Lily wrote:
At least you didn’t get a colonoscopy scheduled for you by the VA without informing you or bothering to ask, as happened to me.
@ Lily:
Maybe you just think it hasn’t messed with the way you think…
//
@ Scott Madsen:
Look forward to meeting you!
@ snowcrash:
Johnson does not care for his lizard’s. Just look at kirly’s list of the banned….littleoldlady banned? And he leaves the vile Cato the Elder there. I say you are who hang with or birds of a feather and so on.
He is a laughing stock throughout the interweb. He did it to himself.
I suppose that is what happens when you start dissing God.
Lizard vs Monkey
The monkey wins !
YEAH ! !
lobo91 wrote:
No it doesn’t. I take the least dose I can. Plus it isn’t oxycontone.
The pain may affect my thinking though. I am rather cranky as of late.
The neverending pain.
I better stop myself before I go on a rant about my pain.
I’ll end it with it could be worse..it could be cancer etc.
@ Rodan:
Likewise
BuddyG wrote:
Dinosaurs were not lizards
/ SChmuck mode off
@ Lily:
Unending pain…..welcome to my world.
@ Lily:
Cato, and gives public approval to KT going to another blog and posting racist crap to show the blog owners are racists.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
Ohhhhhhhhhh…..Sorry to hear that. I have had 5 …. bad colon.
The worst part is the night before. Do not breath when you drink the golyhte and you can’t taste it as much. And make sure they put you asleep during the procedure.
Good luck to you.
@ Ed Mahmoud:
Can you prove that? It’s illegal.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
I was reading that thread real time and he did in abstract terms give kt the go ahead and approval while leaving himself a little backdoor way out for himself and himself only.
Oh, and way O/T, my newest blog post is up… Use extreme caution when reading as I am venting my spleen… So it is probably incoherent rambling and childish.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
I am so sorry to hear you have such pain.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans @178:
Well whatever Chucky is…
he should be flung off the porch by his ponytail all the way to Tokyo.
As a bounced ex-lfg’er all I can say “Amen Brother”
@ Lily:
Have you tried an Infra red heat massager on that,if not it, may be worth a try?
Bunk X wrote:
My Kaspersky doesn’t like it there, and I have heard others say the same thing.
Oh, the Daedulus thing- yeah, they saw Chuckles’ issues with the Second Amendment…
setitin wrote:
Welcome all refugees from the Bedlam Insane Asylum aka LGF.
BuddyG wrote:
A boil on the butt on the frog on the bump on the log in the hole in the bottom of the sea.
*WHEW*
Ya knows whats hilarious? Every now and then Chuckles does something that draws the attention of the Ace of Spades blog. Ace.mu.nu , IIRC, and everytime he does, the most sarcastic smartasses (smartass in a good way) rag on Nancy so badly, I always almost bust a gut from laughing so much.
@ shadowman:
It is bone and muscle…I haven’t used infra red heat…but I switch from heat and ice. Heat for the spasms and ice for the bone pain. Depending on which is bothering me.
It is getting better according to my orthopedic doc. But for me it will be getting better when I don’t cry during physical theraphy.
I haven’t reached that marker yet. I have one month down out of three months of pt.
Ed Mahmoud wrote:
Yeah well ACE takes it personal I think that the fat hippie was such a turn coat. And he loves ripping him a new one ever now and then
just got off the phone with rsmcain…he will be on blogmocracy radio tba.
@ Ed Mahmoud:
hi ed!
nice to see you
@ setitin:
Welcome aboard!
@ Nevergiveup:
cj still rags on Ace….calling all types of names and dissing Ace’s blog. So cj deserves whatever Ace dishes out to him. cj started it first and then acts like a victim.
Can we say that cj is a huge DRAMA QUEEN.
@ Nevergiveup:
I post on the Jazz man at Daedalus because it’s fun for me. He’s such an idiot and he’s comedy gold!
coldwarrior wrote:
Wow, I might actually have to break down and listen!
Nevergiveup wrote:
Chaz has never been the same since that weekend last September when Ace and his Animal House crew smacked him down on seven different threads. The Frat House that is AoSHQ are not to be messed up Chuckie.
Rodan wrote:
Plus he and his crew of mental midgets are the gifts that keep on giving.
Ouch..That’s gonna leave a mark..I hope this is published on the “Diary” so chucky can see it in it’s full splender! You know how chucky like’s to stalk & that p.o.s. Killgore
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
good stuff there. it was a fun conversation.
@ coldwarrior:
Someone who tweets shoud send that out to lizardoid. LOL
Speranza wrote:
Yup. The fat long haired hippie has no friends at ACE’s house.
If RS McCain is reading this, I like you a lot and you’re totally right about Charles Johnson.
Just want to say that I think you missed the point of what went on here the other night (and I say this as one of those who asked the title to be changed in the thread).
Let me tell you a story that I hope will illustrate my point…
Some years ago (before I was religious and started keeping kosher), I went out to eat after work with a co-worker who I’d only known in the office. We’d been working late that night and he asked me if I’d like to go grab a bite. No problem.
As soon as we got settled into a nice cozy restaurant that probably served about 25 tables, he started talking. Although I’d seen him at work and I knew that he was a loud talker, I didn’t realize that he was also a loud talker at restaurants (most likely because he believed that his views were so entertaining in general that a room full of people shouldn’t be deprived of hearing them in a nice loud voice but rather they should be forced to hear every word he said).
I knew right then that I was in trouble because he was known for lecturing to people when talking to them in person instead of discussing.
His lecture topic at our dinner table (after we’d ordered from the menu) was the real meaning of the n-word. He said it out full, of course, and he said it REPEATEDLY.
I listened closely to what he was saying. He was NOT being racist. He was at most insensitive, but he was making the argument that white people can legitimately be called by the n-word too based on bad behavior that had nothing to do with racial stereotypes.
He kept saying the n-word more and more loudly. I tried to change the subject, but he was on a roll with his lecture. When I asked him outright if we could talk about something else, he accused me of being politically correct. He was angry that I wasn’t allowing him to proceed with his lecture.
In reality, I was uncomfortable. I didn’t want our table to broadcast ANYTHING to the rest of the room, but especially when it meant that a racial epithet was going to be spoken over and over (and over).
Our food hadn’t arrived yet, but I knew what I had to do. I got up and found our waitress and told her that I had a pressing reason to leave so I needed to pay my check before the food arrived. I waited for her by the door and paid her in full with a tip for food I would never see. Then I left. Luckily, I’d brought my car.
The topic the other night was Charles Johnson and RS McCain, but these topics were buried in links within the first sentence fragment of the first sentence of the thread post.
The title was a possible racial epithet with the face of a black man in a video.
The overnight thread went downhill from there. It wasn’t a fun overnight thread with people joking around and sharing videos all night. It was a miserable thread with a changed title that still didn’t even reflect what the topic of the thread was supposed to be (i.e., Charles Johnson versus RS McCain).
After a couple hundred comments, the thread started easing up – so then, the author came back and started stirring up the fight all over again (with the help of a few people who didn’t seem to know what had happened).
If the point of an overnight thread is to make people here uncomfortable and engage in fights all night, then the author succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. This is how I remember LFG when I was there. I was often uncomfortable at LGF between Charles stirring things up and others updinging him for it (even before Charles Johnson went outright insane).
Mercifully, the thread finally ended, though.
Anyway, this is what happened and I think you may have missed it, RS McCain (but I still like you a lot anyway)!!!
I’m just trying to set the record straight.
Lily wrote:
Ace can more then handle Chucklehead on his own. The posters at Ace have a blast blasting LGF.
snowcrash wrote:
someone should, i dont tweet, so it cant be me.
setitin wrote:
Welcome!
And oh yeah he will not pass this up…why…can anyone say DRAMA QUEEN?
“Is that your minkey?”
Speranza wrote:
I know.
And they tear him to pieces.
@ Lily:
Is it just one shoulder or both?
@ Eliana:
well said.
and do see this thread further up, drape ape, yard monkey, davenport….
@ Eliana:
No, he fully got the point.
And THAT is all I’m gonna say on the subject.
The letter should be cross posted at the DoD, lots of past and present Lgfers check in there. Commenting is open too.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
No, he didn’t when he wrote his letter.
I hope he does now, though.
OK, arctic snow troopers.
gotta go and make the house ready for rodan’s arrival this evening.
liver function test on tuesday.
we will blog from here, so keep an eye out, well keep it in its socket…
@ Bordm:
There were a couple of people who took issue with it. Eliana was maybe more persistent.
But it was a good point. Some people have a visceral reaction to it. I don’t understand what the gripe was. The whole thread is intact, including said “Carrollesque wordplay”.
You know that’s how we do shit. Quite a few people asked for the title to be changed (whatever the reasoning). The thread is intact.
After reading how long it went on after and other people popping in, maybe we should have done a poll.
But midnight on a work night? Come on. We (rodan and i) thought it was a way to make all of us happy. Evidently not! lol!
And i AM a porch monkey!
Now that al gore is being thrown under the bus..Maybe chucky will rise to “The throne” and say he invented the internet?
@ Eliana:
You stood your ground, gave your opinion. And thankfully as you are a great poster… were not banned. That’s freedom.
Well, the NRA is fucking up. It is looking like they are going to endorse Harry Reid. Yes, you heard that right: Harry Reid. They’ve done this shit before. In 1994, they endorsed people who voted for the “Assault Weapons” ban (i.e. Jack Brooks). That didn’t help either party. Brooks still went swirly, and the incident left a bad taste in a lot of NRA members’ mouths (like mine). There are times when I think that they want to o enough to keep things from completely going to shit, but they don’t really want to win, either. If they won, what would they raise funds on?
OT:
prayers are needed.
Sorry if this has been posted before… but I know his pain firsthand.
Randall Cunningham’s son dies in hot tub.
@ Eliana:
BULLSHIT!
You have to have YOUR way, all the time.
shadowman wrote:
Just my left. I really could not handle both.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
There was no censorship.
This blog is called THE BLOGMOCRACY which means that we have a say in what goes on here.
The author of the post outright ASKED ME to get an admin to change the post title if I wanted it changed (since he refused to do it) and this is exactly what I did.
He whined about it later after having told me I should do it.
YOU whined that he was only saying that he didn’t like the way I went about it (although I’d done exactly what he told me I should do).
It wasn’t censorship – it was DEMOCRACY.
The fight went on all night and I was responding to the fight not instigating it.
ot but has it been mentioned anout chris hitchens havibg throat cancer.
@ Lily:
And shoved censorship down everyone else’s throats.
pimf, spelling crap.
@ Lily:
You left handed?
setitin wrote:
Hey, you can wave at him right here. He’s one of our biggest (and nastiest) fans, lol!
justin case wrote:
Yes, in passing.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
Here come the Pee Wee Herman talking points again.
Look – the thread made some people on this blog uncomfortable (and I wasn’t the first one to bring it up).
I was persistent because I had to stay up all night after my internet connection had been down for 8 hours (and I had the next day off). So I was around most of the night.
@ shadowman:
Thankfully no….only can sleep on one side as of now.
I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy.
Cat Fight?
Iron Fist wrote:
The NRA denies that is true
@ Lily:
It’s why I love this place!!!
Thanks!
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
mmmm thought it might have. hope he beats it, in spite of my opinions of him.
Rightside wrote:
I saw that..how horrible. Plus I didn’t know he had become Christian Preacher after leaving football. Just horrible.
(oh, and sorry bout the lag y’all! I’ve cleared and optimized and all kind of stuff… but don’t worry we gotta plan in the works!)
I hope Hitch finds his religion again.
Don’t know what a dedicated atheist has to look forward to when faced with their own mortality.
Later, leaving work before Westheimer floods…
coldwarrior wrote:
My stepdaughter once complained to me about my habit of lying down on my own bed with shoes on. She said it was unsanitary, so I made an effort to stop. LOL…
Elana Kagan denies basis of law.
Intereptive clod of a commie cunt.
There was a coup d eteat on 9-21-09
Gird yourselves
@ Eliana:
You say it wasn’t censorship, I say it was. I don’t made demands for things to get changed to suit my whims. As much as I might not like something someone has to say, I won’t demand they have no right to say it and censor their words.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
You are a great poster here too..so I wasn’t on that thread and shall
stay out of this.
But I will say this cj is a DRAMA QUEEN.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
Oh dear Lord you sounded just like my brother! Good thing Eliana can’t get to your room and turn you in to your mom for smoking!
/yeah i did! hey I couldn’t kick his ass.
Your comments are members-only, however, so I’m e-mailing you instead.
cant understand this bit, it only takes 5 mins to register here,
less time than to write that e-mail.
Whoops c word….sorry mom
Ed Mahmoud wrote:
There is the saying ….no atheist’s on their deathbeds. Or is it in foxholes..oh well the same applies.
Scott Madsen wrote:
As one blog blower may say….
Get your own blog!
/just kidding.
@ Eliana:
We even kept the crappy posters!
/for awhile… spacejism went over the limit of tolerance, lol!
Now they all rock, lol!
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
The blog owners have removed their own threads entirely when people have said that they weren’t comfortable with the content for one reason or another (not anything to do with racism, as I recall). This has happened multiple times.
Unlike Charles Johnson who can NEVER be challenged on his blog, the owners of this blog are sensitive to how people here feel.
The author of the thread the other night acted like Charles Johnson in fighting ALL NIGHT over whether or not it was wrong or “politically correct” to ask the owners for the title of his post to be changed.
It turned the topic into a war zone.
The author went against the spirit of this blog entirely, IMO, when he did this.
@ m:
That is what happened on the thread as anyone can plainly see. A commenter became outraged that I wouldn’t take down the post or change the title, which merely quoted the man in the video.
m wrote:
Did the same thing to my brother…except it was the whacky weed.
But I could kick his ass. It is what big sisters do.
Maybe that is why my shoulder is frozen now in my older age. Naw….
setitin wrote:
Only one’s furry.
@ m:
Yeah!!
@ justin case:
See Phase 2 of ow to get a million hits on your blog in less than a year.
~:D
/love it
Lily @247 wrote:
Yup
Eliana wrote:
And there you go with the condescending name calling again. You’re insufferable.
@ Eliana:
So now you are the sole arbiter of what is acceptable here?
If so, I’m out the door. I don’t need to stay around lgf redux.
@ Bunk X:
I wasn’t outraged that you wouldn’t change the title.
I’d already asked the admins to change it for you.
Then you suggested to ME that I ask the admins to change it.
So I asked the admins again and they changed it.
I did what you asked me to do.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
I wasn’t the only one (or the first one) to bring up objections to the title of the thread.
@ m:
por supuesto. lol
@ Bunk X:
@ Eliana:
Do I have to take my paddle out?
I go away for a couple of weeks, and it turns into Lord of the Flies over here. Just for the record, I am against censorship of any kind. I believe that we are all adult enough to ignore the slings and arrows of statements with which we are uncomfortable. I myself will always chose to fight for those values I hold dear. I will try to do so on intellectual grounds, and not by silencing the enemy. I would much rather defeat them straight out.
@ Eliana:
You just kept getting all whiny when people had the temerity of having a differing opinion than your fount of wisdom from on high.
@ Bunk X:
I think he was referring to the Johnson there. The people that complained didn’t say we were lying, just that they always heard it differently and thought it unnecessary.
(well, one guy pretty much said it was a lie on our facebook but I know how I’ve used it (my kids used to be porch monkeys~ now they are xbox addicts) and I have no friggen reason to lie about it)
Eliana didn’t even say we were wrong about how “we have seen it used”, she said however we meant it, do we really have to shout it across the restaurant.
@ Rodan:
@ Eliana:
I also thought trying to rehabilitate the idiom “porch monkey”, with its long and indisputable history as a racial epithet, was the wrong battle to be fighting.
Context is everything, and if anyone thinks links to that thread will provide appropriate context for all the people celebrating the fact that they can use [insert racial epithet here] and yet not be racist in fact — you’re wrong, the context won’t be there.
Trying to rehabilitate and minimize the racist etymology of “porch monkey” is a poor strategy for defending McCain.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
I was fielding whines, actually.
The author and others (including you) were describing this as a situation of political incorrectness when this was NOT the point at all.
Rodan wrote:
Someone might actually enjoy getting paddled.
@ nil stooge:
When did Porch Monkey become a racist term? Who decided that?
This isn’t a Sex Blog! There are kids reading this!
@ nil stooge:
Yeah, people use it differently in different places. – see #269.
Flame war brought to you by the Scorch Monkeys
@ Flyovercountry:
We can all handle statements that make us uncomfortable (at least most of the time).
It’s different when it’s a possible racial epithet that is going to spend 8 to 10 hours sitting at the top of the HOME PAGE of a blog we happen to care a lot about.
We were obligated (IMO) to say/do something about it.
The possible racial epithet in the title was needless anyway.
@ Rodan:
Oh lord, I hope not. I come here to get away from my own!
coldwarrior wrote:
aint racist from here…just a term describing action.
@ Rodan:
this is no time to turn yellow, you need to be brave.
@ Lily:
Was going to suggest this,but as it’s not your mouse shoulder,then probably not.
Lots of people suffer from this without knowing what it is.
http://www.officerat.com/mouse-shoulder
Still worth trying an infra red heat massager though,they go pretty cheap on ebay,amazon etc.
@ Rodan:
@ Rodan:
Google it.
Interesting problem, how to quantify how many Google results consider it racist. How many hits does it take to demonstrate that it definitely has a racist history for some?
@ nil stooge:
Never heard the term of PORCH MONKEY here in the deep south. Some may have but I haven’t.
So you assume the term coonass is racist too? When coonass is a term
referred to cajun people.
As I said upthread before A/C most southerners sat on their porch after dinner of all colors to excape the heat of the day and drink ice tea or eat watermelon or homemade ice cream or enjoy an early evening and cooling thunderstorm.
Again have never heard the term of porch monkey….ever until now.
I’m 50 so sometime in my past if this was a racist term towards only African Americans I would have heard it.
shadowman wrote:
I may try it. I do have muscle problems in my left bicep feels like a rock and spasms a lot. From what they have told me it is caused by the frozen shoulder. Thanks alot for the info.
@ m:
So does that argue for your point or mine?
My point is that it’s undeniably racist in some places, with the further point that if you think links/quotes from that thread will provide the appropriate context to make it look adequately non-racist, well I think you’re optimistic.
@ Flyovercountry:
Yeah, but the people involved were not enemies! We said our piece. Everyone knows where everyone stands on that certain issue. We changed the title for cripes sake!
I’m guessing you guys might flip — but I edit out the f word on front page posts too. I’ve changed titles (usually before it’s published and we always tell the author why) and refused to publish something once or twice. We’re trying to be welcoming not purposefully starting shit with otherwise allies.
Censorship or running a blog?
Rodan wrote:
Yet you were the one who was talking about getting out a paddle!
heard of the blow monkeys and a grease monkey.
never a porsche monkey, is he the bloke that gives you the finger when he goes past you at 150 mph.
@ m:
damned if ya do, damned if ya dont.
@ nil stooge:
Actually I was pointing to a comment in this thread where I called my very own children (the two people I love more than anything in this world) PORCH MONKEYS. So if people think I’m a racist for calling my younguns porch monkeys, they definitely need to know it’s not used that way everywhere.
Just because it was used with racist intentions every time you have heard it does not mean it’s used that way everywhere. That was my point.
@ Lily:
Have you googled “porch monkey“?
What you think about it isn’t the point. If you want to lead a crusade changing all these people’s minds about the etymology of “porch monkey”, knock yourself out. Putting this place in the vanguard of doing it seems unwise to me, but apparently I’m in the minority with that POV.
@ justin case:
Cute!
@ nil stooge:
I think everyone has acknowledged it has that connotation for some. The point is – not everyone!
@ m:
Yes, he was referring to Johnson, and described the type of person who would rather shout you down than let it go. Someone on this blog still can’t let it go and it ain’t me, babe. =)
@ m:
i have a better question to discuss.
how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
@ nil stooge:
From the google search – porch monkey for life. White guy… calls himself a porch monkey. Maybe other people use it differently.
~:)
@ nil stooge:
Goodle a Progressive company, yup I’ll let the Left define what is racist.
Porch Monkey in NY meant some lazy old person sitting out in his porch. Black never comes to my mind.
As always Priogressive win because we give into their arguments.
that’s the money quote. Chuck sees nazis under every bed.
@ m:
Never said that at all. Only that some people undeniably consider it old-school racist, and trying to rehabilitate the term is bad tactics when the downside is context-free quotes from this place making it look bad.
@ Eliana:
Check my 275!
Ha ha ha ha!
@ Bunk X:
Do you mean RS McCain??
He brought all this up in his email, not me.
Yup Progressives and as always they win because we let them.
@ Rodan:
Yes, I saw it but I didn’t get the joke.
(Didn’t want to admit this.) *sigh*
@ Eliana:
@ Bunk X:
I think you 2 are in love and can’t admit it!
On that note see you all later!
I have a flight to ctach!
Coldwarrior, On my way homie!
Peace!
nil stooge wrote:
How many google hit’s does it take of people claiming Hitler was a great person before we change our views on him?
@ Eliana:
You said “Whine”
Oh never mind!
Gotta run!
@ m:
That’s what’s so funny – I’m agreeing with y’all that “porch monkey” means different things to different people. I’m just sayin’ that thread is going to be a hotbed of nasty-looking quotes for anyone who wants to smear this place. I don’t think McCain’s a racist, but a bunch of people spouting what are certainly considered racial epithets by many in order to prove they can be said without racist intent is just bad tactics IMO.
@ Rodan:
Oooooh, you’re so lucky that you’re heading to the airport right now!
nil stooge wrote:
Have you ever lived in the deep south? Or do you have to google the term? Repeat NEVER HEARD THE TERM REFERRED TO AFRICAN AMERICANS! NEVER HEARD THE TERM EVER IN MY LIFE!!!
If you google coonass you would probably find that it is a racist term when it is not. IT REFERS TO WHITE CAJUNS. I am giving you my real life experience. But that means NOTHING because google says different. I am not defending the term nor accepting the term. It was a way of life to sit on porches down here before A/C.
Rodan wrote:
getting the blender and the bbq ready!
@ Rodan:
Not here ~ my kids will always be porch monkeys to me! And I will always be a porch monkey to my uncles. Just because it’s used that way somewhere else doesn’t change the meaning for me personally, lol.
@ nil stooge:
Yeah, that was the whole title change argument. The title was changed. The post originally was in support of McCain, backing up the assertion that some people somewhere use it differently and not in a racist context. It wasn’t a “hey, use this word we want to rehabilitate it!” Couldn’t care less if anyone ever used the term again in their lives, even though I’m sure I will. In my opinion, we’ve always used it correctly. It’s the ones that used it nasty that need to stop using it all together.
I don’t understand why that’s bad.
(oh lord, I almost did a Lance *shrug*)
LOL!
doriangrey wrote:
That’s not even remotely the same proposition.
@ nil stooge:
I am not going to lead any crusade. People will think what they want to think.
Again have lived in the deep south all my life….NEVER HEARD THE TERM.
@ nil stooge:
Google George Bush and you get millions of hits he’s an idiot and worst president ever. So is that the truth?
Google Stalin, or Castro, or Pol Pot, or any number of genocidal thugocrat, and quite a number of hits describe them to be more saintly than Mother Teresa. So is that the truth?
nil stooge wrote:
On the contrary it is, allowing something to be defined by the number of google hits is absurd.
@ Lily:
So in your world “porch monkey” as a racial slur simply doesn’t exist. Fine – good for you!
@ doriangrey:
My point was, “porch monkey” is considered by many, many people to be a racial slur. Do you disagree?
Your point is, “well it shouldn’t be”. I agree.
Come on y’all! This isn’t a disagreement. People acknowledge it’s used bad in places, and others acknowledge not everywhere.
Smiles everyone, smiles!
Someone cue the band…
@ doriangrey:
Makes about as much sense as claiming that McDonalds makes the world’s best hamburgers because they’ve sold billions of them…
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
See #319.
lobo91 wrote:
Exactly.
@ nil stooge:
And your assertion of the racial slur is based on what? Real-life experience or some google-fu?
m wrote:
got it
nil stooge wrote:
I don’t use the term. I am not defending the term. But whatever.
(if you read up thread I am rather cranky) I have heard racist words and terms…but not porch monkey. One would think that being in the deep south (since we down here are so damn racist as google would probably say) I WOULD HAVE HEARD IT. I don’t defend it …. but go ahead and not answer my question never lived down here have you?
Never said it hasn’t been used. Only saying that most everyone down here before A/C sat on porches to cool off. But go ahead say my world is in my own head. You are nasty in saying that to me.
coldwarrior wrote:
And how!
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
See #318.
m wrote:
They might as well start censoring old movies and cartoons since obviously the creators didn’t know how racist they were.
Oh wait, they are doing exactly that.
@ Lily:
one of my favorite south things is the ceiling fan on the porch ceiling, i love that on a huge wrap around porch.
Okay so I have never heard the term….my husband who just came in and has lived here all his life like me. And I am eating crow right now. He has said he has heard the term before and is most definitely racist.
So porch monkey is very much a racist slur. Because my husband is not a racist and he says it is.
coldwarrior wrote:
You have to paint the ceiling of porch blue so wasps will not nest.
Plus a huge glass of ice tea.
@ coldwarrior:
A girlfriend of mine just bought a very old house on 43 acres in South Carolina. Wrap around porch, pond, stables and everything! It’s like my dream house, lol!
@ Lily:
Well, what about Bing, or other search engines? Discount all the results of those too? I’m not disputing you’ve never heard the term. Do you think all those search results are bogus? If so that’s pretty damn solipsistic, nasty or not. My only narrow point was/is it’s a nasty term to a whole lot of people.
@ nil stooge:
My apologies.
I was wrong.
@ Lily:
i’ll have to nitify my parents that they were racists to us kids by calling us:
porch monkeys
drape apes
yard birds
wont they be surprised, hopefully they are witting on their davenport or glider when i break the news to them.
seriously, this looks like either or both generational/regional
@ Lily:
Yeah, I’m not a racist and I still say – not everywhere.
@ nil stooge:
I have not used the term nor heard of it….going to the fact I wasn’t around racists….but it is most certainly a racial slur.
I perfer real life….
My husband said I should have called him.
@ Lily:
@ m:
love it!
my aunt and uncle live on lake norman in charlotte, the house/property just drips antebellum. its old and just beautiful.
@ nil stooge:
Yeah, as a matter of fact I would disregard any and all search engines as having any great statistical meaning for the usage of a particular term, adding on the unreliability of the internet itself only further marginalizes any significance of a search.
nil stooge wrote:
I have eaten crow. You could at least accept my apologies.
I don’t know how anybody could have gone through life and never heard the term porch monkey.
it might have many meanings, but as far as I know it means only one thing. A racial slur against a black person. I could be incorrect and it has many non racial meanings but I’ve lived all over, including growing up an air force brat, and I’ve heard that term my whole life and so far it doesn’t have any innocent uses.
@ Lily:
You don’t have to apologize to me, and I certainly don’t think anyone around here’s racist, just that that thread, unfortunately, could be used to make it look that way. Sorry I wasn’t trying to be nasty, just like to link to things that are interesting…
/…(and not to insipid, misanthropic ‘news’ stories of how stupid people can be, cf. FOGJ)
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
LOL!
Doppelganger wrote:
Thank you for saying that! Not. Good grief. So what if you have heard that term used your whole life. I haven’t.
its amazing how such an inane subject has such traction.
345 posts and it wont die.
nil stooge wrote:
I was wrong for not asking someone in real life around me. Racist terms were never used around me much. And yes I have heard some. Just not that one.
coldwarrior wrote:
I agree. So I have said enough.
Lily wrote:
indeed. as have i
how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
That was a classic smackdown, and I do mean classic. Perhaps the best ever. Bravo Mr. McCain.
@ coldwarrior:
{coldwarrior} I agree. A waste of time.
Just remembering all the times sitting on the porch with the fan
and my dad watching a thunderstorm roll in …..
But I should fact checked myself.
Lily wrote:
No, you are not wrong, you just had a different life experience than did your hubby.
To someone from the Republic of the Philippines, the KKK is a good organization since there the group did good things for filipinos.
@ coldwarrior:
Infinity’s the best answer, but which infinity? (some are bigger than others…)
@ nil stooge:
Being called stupid by the likes of you is high praise indeed.
@ Lily:
Thanks much for the extra information!
Speaking of “porch monkeys” Hey chucky “Whose your Daddy?” My vote is Stacy McCain!
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it? Or maybe you just prefer to argue what’s easy vs. what’s actually written.
I used ‘insipid’ and ‘misanthropic’ to characterize the ‘human interest’ links you’re so fond of posting, wherein people do stupid things. Presumably none of these insipid, misanthropic stories linked were about you, so therefore you’re safe from teh ‘stupid’…
I am betting CJ has an atomic case off butt hurt about now!
@ DEZ:
Have you ever seen CJ put together anything even a tenth that long, not to mention a tenth that cogent? I haven’t. His most famous opus – “Why I Left the Right” (or something like that) – reads like it was written on the back of a kids’ menu in crayon. The sad truth, revealed when CJ started posting a lot to pump up the traffic, is that CJ’s not very bright.
nil stooge wrote:
It was a stream of consciousness post
To me the funniest thing about this is that CJ will want to reply, but won’t be able to link to it because that would be beneath him. He dare not give direct exposure to those that call him on his BS lest curiosity be raised among the remaining folks there.
@ nil stooge:
No. He isn’t a writer, or much of a critical thinker for that matter. That requires an open mind and intellectual curiosity, two things he’s lacking in badly.
@ nil stooge:
Gordan pegged him correctly, and early- only to be on the receiving end of harsh replies- when he called Foster and 1.0 a cut and paste blog.
@ MightyConservative:
Mighty, regular readers at LGF are regular readers here too. They are not stalkers, they are lurkers. LOL. We are their secret fascination.
R.S. McCain is an Ihhhhssslaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhmmmeaupheaubb, the worst kind of racist around, since such a person opposes
To oppose any of this demonstrates deep-seated racial animosity, supremacism and hatred, as the Aryan Nations hates Ihhhhssslaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhmmm too…
/////////////////////SARCASM TAG OFF
Lily wrote:
Lily why would you have any reason to google porch monkey before now. And if you did, you would just now know of it. Right? I live in the South and always have. Perhaps it is just according to whom you associate with whether or not you hear certain things. I never heard it myself. I have heard a lot of others but not that.
@ Grimcargo:
Glad to hear it isn’t just me who hasn’t heard the term.
Like I as of you like I said above have other things.
This is about Charles Johnson and his LGF blog:
Old Yellowstain
Right Wing News vs. David Frum, Little Green Footballs, Media Matters, & Excitable Andy!
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Awesome.
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