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Comparisons to the Great Depression are growing

by Speranza ( 53 Comments › )
Filed under Economy, Misery Index at July 21st, 2010 - 8:30 am

I think USA Today (a very liberal newspaper by the way) has been smoking some heavy weed if it thinks that the U.S. economy is growing.  The key statistic is private sector job growth and in that area this administration has been awful! However the final paragraph is pretty much spot-on (Some advice for investors).  The way to jump start  private jobs growth – cut business taxes,  each state should reduce its payroll taxes, and cut spending.

by Adam Shell

The images of bread lines, dust storms and squatters’ camps are missing in the aftermath of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Stocks have rebounded sharply from the 12-year low hit in March 2009 during the Great Recession. The U.S. economy, while still sluggish, is growing again. And fears of financial Armageddon have mostly faded.

Yet comparisons to the woeful 1930s continue to pop up in Wall Street research reports, newspaper op-ed pieces, doomsday books and the financial blogosphere. There is a nagging sense that the roller coaster ride investors have been on since the 2008-09 financial meltdown may not be over — and that a ’30s-style boom-bust, boom-bust cycle can’t yet be ruled out — as the economy and markets muddle through the difficult post-bubble workout period.

The Dow Jones industrials’ 261-point plunge Friday sparked by a sharp drop in consumer sentiment in July highlights that gloominess persists.

Fueling the angst is fear that the still-fragile, jobs-starved economy will suffer a relapse, or double dip, as government stimulus is phased out. Consider:

•In a recent note to clients, David Rosenberg, chief strategist at Gluskin Sheff, ticks off a slew of similarities between then and now under the heading, “Daring to Compare Today to the ’30s.”

Donald Luskin, chief investment officer at Trend Macrolytics, penned an op-ed piece, “Why This Isn’t Like 1938 — At Least Not Yet.”

•In late June, Paul Krugman, professor of economics and international affairs at Princeton University and an op-ed columnist for The New York Times, zeroed in on the issue twice under provocative headlines: “That ’30s Feeling” and “The Third Depression.”

Why all the hand-wringing over the ’30s? “To focus people on risk and remind them that it is way too early to declare victory,” Luskin says. “It is prudent to learn from past errors so we don’t repeat them.”

Stock charts that overlay current stock-price action to that of the 1930s look very much the same at similar stages of the recovery. The difference is 80 years ago the market suffered another major down leg. The future will show if the market suffers a similar fate, or whether it stabilizes and powers higher.

“The similarities are scarily similar,” says Richard Suttmeier, chief market strategist at ValuEngine.com. “Essentially, in the ’30s we were in unchartered waters, and we have been in unchartered waters since 2008.”

[..]

Some advice for investors

So how should one manage money in an era of unpredictability and volatility?

Rosenberg advises investors to stay liquid, keep debts low, save more and invest less in risky assets like stocks. He doesn’t advise 100% cash. Buy some gold, high-quality bonds and assets that don’t go up or down with stocks, he says.

“If you were putting a dime in a cookie jar, maybe stick in 20 cents,” Rosenberg says. “If you have the capacity to live a frugal life, do so.”

In periods of great volatility, where stocks have the potential to post huge gains — and huge losses — it makes sense to put only half the money you would normally devote to stocks in the market, Luskin says. Thus, you will be able to book gains if stocks rally. And you will lose half as much if stocks plunge.

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  1. Bumr50
    1 | July 21, 2010 08:37

    Or as Obama would call it, “The Great Equalization.”


  2. Macker
    2 | July 21, 2010 08:41

    USA Today = McPaper.


  3. coldwarrior
    3 | July 21, 2010 08:44

    deleted


  4. Macker
    4 | July 21, 2010 08:59

    @ coldwarrior:

    Do you think that decade started September 2008, or when Оба́ма took office on 01/20/2009?


  5. coldwarrior
    5 | July 21, 2010 09:01

    deleted


  6. Bumr50
    6 | July 21, 2010 09:04

    @ Macker:

    The second Hank Paulson gave that speech where he looked like he was going to pee himself if he didn’t get a jillion dollars RIGHT NOW.


  7. coldwarrior
    7 | July 21, 2010 09:08

    what surprises me is that krugman, the once brilliant economists now turned pop-econ writer, is actually bad mouthing the economy in the NYT


  8. Bumr50
    8 | July 21, 2010 09:14

    @ coldwarrior:

    I guess he’s finally realized that the economy ignores Keynesian cheerleading.


  9. coldwarrior
    9 | July 21, 2010 09:16

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I guess he’s finally realized that the economy ignores Keynesian cheerleading.

    keynes is mis-applied, these govt actions arent what he was saying, and i am not a keynesian.


  10. Bumr50
    10 | July 21, 2010 09:20

    @ coldwarrior:

    Understood.

    But that doesn’t stop the Left from citing him, albeit wrongly.


  11. snork
    11 | July 21, 2010 09:24

    I’ll say it one more time. This is a “feature”, not a bug. This is the crisis they won’t waste. WPA rev 2.0 is coming.


  12. snork
    12 | July 21, 2010 09:25

    @ coldwarrior:
    Keynes is being dragged through the mud by the neo-Keynesians. His basic thesis is wrong, but he never advocated unlimited debt.


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | July 21, 2010 09:26

    @ snork:

    the ironic thing is that all the stimulus money could have been put into a wpa style system and fix the failing roads and bridges that we have.

    but that would mean peeps actually working and no slush fund for 0 to use in the upcoming elections


  14. coldwarrior
    14 | July 21, 2010 09:27

    snork wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Keynes is being dragged through the mud by the neo-Keynesians. His basic thesis is wrong, but he never advocated unlimited debt.

    again, i’m no keynesian so i wont defend his ideas, but you are right, this is not what he meant.


  15. Speranza
    15 | July 21, 2010 09:30

    It is only going to get worse.


  16. snork
    16 | July 21, 2010 09:31

    coldwarrior wrote:

    the ironic thing is that all the stimulus money could have been put into a wpa style system and fix the failing roads and bridges that we have.

    That was the bait. Remember “shovel ready”? Then came the switch.


  17. coldwarrior
    17 | July 21, 2010 09:33

    snork wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    the ironic thing is that all the stimulus money could have been put into a wpa style system and fix the failing roads and bridges that we have.
    That was the bait. Remember “shovel ready”? Then came the switch.

    you know it.

    unfortunately, we missed an opportunity to actually apply some keynes to the economy, fix a big problem in the process, and see if it worked.

    (i would have done that and there would have been no wall street bailout, no takeover of gm, etc)


  18. coldwarrior
    18 | July 21, 2010 09:34

    Speranza wrote:

    It is only going to get worse.

    it can always get worse, we could have an outbreak of airborne spread ebola


  19. coldwarrior
    19 | July 21, 2010 09:35

    bbl…gotta go chase a little white ball around a well manicured park


  20. Beer Drinking Victory Monkey
    20 | July 21, 2010 09:41

    Macker wrote:

    USA Today = McPaper.

    “It’s the one paper that isn’t afraid to tell the truth – everything’s fine!”
    Homer Simpson


  21. 21 | July 21, 2010 09:47

    @ coldwarrior:
    The same Krugman that constantly predicted a coming recession/depression all through the Bush years? The guy is an economic pessimist. Luskin has been hammering on this stuff for years.


  22. chickadee
    22 | July 21, 2010 09:53

    What Depression?
    Eternal fun-employment for all.
    Love your new frugality.
    Soon there will be gov. pamphlets: “One Hundred Ways to Cook a Can of Beans.”


  23. Bumr50
  24. 24 | July 21, 2010 09:57

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ snork:
    the ironic thing is that all the stimulus money could have been put into a wpa style system and fix the failing roads and bridges that we have.
    but that would mean peeps actually working and no slush fund for 0 to use in the upcoming elections

    This was a way for Obama and his cronies to make money.


  25. gulfloafer
    25 | July 21, 2010 09:58

    Another sharp stick in the eye. Bill being signed at the Reagan International Trade building.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100721/ts_alt_afp/usfinanceeconomypoliticsregulatecongressobama


  26. gulfloafer
    26 | July 21, 2010 09:59

    coldwarrior wrote:

    bbl…gotta go chase a little white ball around a well manicured park

    What you gonna do when you catch it?


  27. Bumr50
    27 | July 21, 2010 10:00

    @ gulfloafer:

    No shame. None.


  28. gulfloafer
    28 | July 21, 2010 10:04

    Anybody see Breitbart on GMA this morning?


  29. 4_Sticks
    29 | July 21, 2010 10:07

    Also in todays NY papers:

    Lazio: Cuomo `incompetent’ for inaction on mosque

    http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=952426

    Just to show ya we’re not all crazy here in the Empire State – not even if from downstate ! You go Rick !!


  30. Bumr50
    30 | July 21, 2010 10:07

    @ gulfloafer:

    Nope, but he was on with Media Matters so I hope he girded.


  31. gulfloafer
    31 | July 21, 2010 10:11

    GMA on now, Pacific Time.


  32. gulfloafer
    32 | July 21, 2010 10:14

    OMG! It’s a full on vindication. Stepanopolis: “Your father was killed by the KKK.” Where the hell did that come from?


  33. BuddyG
    33 | July 21, 2010 10:18

    USA Today economists


  34. Bumr50
    34 | July 21, 2010 10:19

    @ gulfloafer:

    Read this.

    Forty Acres & a Mule — Sherrod Style?


  35. snork
    35 | July 21, 2010 10:22

    gulfloafer wrote:

    OMG! It’s a full on vindication. Stepanopolis: “Your father was killed by the KKK.” Where the hell did that come from?

    That’s actually false. Her father was killed by a white farmer, but she’s not alleging that he was a klansman. The white liberals just assume that any white southerner who kills a black man has to be klan.

    There’s also nothing that I’ve seen about the circumstances; was it a bar fight, a hunting accident, this needs to be clarified.


  36. gulfloafer
    36 | July 21, 2010 10:32

    So far this morning I’ve watched three negative commercials depicting Sharon Angle as a wacked-out extremist. Negative ads don’t work? Bullshit! Ask Nv state senator Joe Heck about that. A woman with no name recognition in the state wooped his ass soley on negative campaigning. Falsely! Never even debated him.


  37. 37 | July 21, 2010 10:35

    @ snork:
    @ gulfloafer:

    What no one is mentioning is her Marxist outlook. She said it’s more than race, it’s about rich and poor. She then says the Rich manipulate the poor through race tensions. This is straight up Marxist. That should diqualify her right there.


  38. Bumr50
    38 | July 21, 2010 10:35

    @ snork:

    Shirley Sherrod, our host, is fifth from left on the right side of the sign. The park is named for her husband Charles, fourth from left, who was the first field coordinator for the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) during the Civil Rights Movement and now teaches at Albany State College.

    SNCC:

    Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee
    Position Paper:
    The Basis of Black Power

    Context.


  39. Bumr50
    39 | July 21, 2010 10:37

    @ Rodan:

    Last night Beck said that in THIS White House she should’ve been given a PROMOTION!


  40. gulfloafer
    40 | July 21, 2010 10:44

    Rodan wrote:

    @ snork:
    @ gulfloafer:
    What no one is mentioning is her Marxist outlook. She said it’s more than race, it’s about rich and poor. She then says the Rich manipulate the poor through race tensions. This is straight up Marxist. That should diqualify her right there.

    Yeah, she’s a history scholar as well.


  41. 41 | July 21, 2010 10:52

    @ gulfloafer:

    The whole point also being is missed is how the NAACP audience cheered when she got racial.


  42. gulfloafer
    42 | July 21, 2010 10:54

    Rodan wrote:

    @ gulfloafer:
    The whole point also being is missed is how the NAACP audience cheered when she got racial.

    That was Breitbart’s position in response to the NAACP’s charge of Tea Party racism. He was totally dismissed.


  43. BuddyG
    43 | July 21, 2010 10:55

    @ Rodan:

    NAACP Confirms Election of a Black President Made No Difference

    /Dennis Prager

    Excerpt:

    The charge of racism leveled by liberal organizations, whether black or white, is now regarded as the politically motivated falsehood that it is. It is rightly seen, along with its six siblings — sexism, xenophobia, intolerance, bigotry, homophobia and “Islamophobia” — as the Left’s way of avoiding argument by demeaning its opponents


  44. Bumr50
  45. Speranza
    45 | July 21, 2010 11:03

    coldwarrior wrote:

    it can always get worse, we could have an outbreak of airborne spread ebola

    or they can work to repeal the 22nd amendment and he legalizes all the illegals and he is our POTUS for the rest of our lives.


  46. Speranza
    46 | July 21, 2010 11:04

    The NAACP sure has turned into a protection s racket haven’t they?


  47. snork
  48. Bumr50
    48 | July 21, 2010 11:15

    @ snork:

    They’re the VICTIMS!

    Get it?

    //


  49. BuddyG
    49 | July 21, 2010 11:25

    “White Racism” the all-purpose alibi


  50. 50 | July 21, 2010 11:40

    @ BuddyG:

    yeah Non Whites can’t be racist
    /


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | July 21, 2010 11:47

    Everything’s neato-Keynes.


  52. 52 | July 21, 2010 15:00

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ gulfloafer:
    Read this.
    Forty Acres & a Mule Forty Ouncers and a BMW — Sherrod Style?

    Fixed it for them


  53. BuddyG
    53 | July 23, 2010 10:47

    Sept 2009 ABC News Charlie Gibson says ABC didn’t cover the ACORN story ’cause he “didn’t even know about it” and went on to say “Or maybe this is just one you leave to the cables”

    July 2010 CBS News Bob Schieffer says he didn’t ask AG Holder about the Black Panther Thing because he “didn’t know about it”.

    Andrew Dice Clay “You’re supposed to be a news guy, where are you getting your fu*king information?”
    (a very memorable appearance on CNN)


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