In ICJ Ruling: Blow to Serbia, Boon to Tadic, noted author and scholar Srdja Trifkovic explains that the current government in Serbia is, in effect, nothing but a puppet regime that is selling out the Serbian people, and Judaeo-Christian civilization in the Balkans, to jihadi forces in the Balkans.
The back story is that, ever since Reagan left office, the US, NATO, and the EU have worked to assist the jihadis to form a Muslim stronghold in the Balkans. Obviously, this is counter to the interests of the US and of the nations that form the EU. (See Bosnia and Kosovo export Muslim terrorism everywhere.) But our politicians and State Department bureaucrats do the bidding of Middle Eastern oil interests, George Soros, and other nefarious individuals and groups such as Muslim narcoterrorist drug gangs, who covertly bankroll prominent members of the elite in politics, academia, think tanks, the media, and other areas of influence.
As I have pointed out before, the UN is thoroughly corrupt. Just about all NGOs do the bidding of this transnational elite. That obviously includes supposedly “neutral” entities such as the ICJ. The bureaucrats who enjoy cushy jobs at NGOs know what side their bread is buttered on, and they also know what the consequences of defying their masters inevitably must be.
Because the current government in Belgrade is nothing but a powerless American puppet that does nothing to protect the interests of the Serbian people, it is no surprise that the Tadic government will use the decision of the ICJ as a way to try to sell the Serbian people on the idea that they had better give up Kosovo, and continue to throw the remaining Serbs stranded there, under the bus – or else.
As Dr. Trifkovic points out, the time frame is much longer than anybody in Washington or The Hague is capable of comprehending. Kosovo has been Serbian as long as the Serbs have existed, the truth will eventually come out, and God is not mocked.
ICJ Ruling: Blow to Serbia, Boon to Tadic
By Srdja Trifkovic
Thursday, July 22, 2010 – 13:20Ever since the U.S. intervened in Serbia’s domestic politics two years ago and helped the current coalition take power in Belgrade, Boris Tadic and his cohorts have been looking for a way to capitulate on Kosovo while pretending not to. The formula was simple: place all diplomatic eggs in one basket – that of the International Court of Justice – and refrain from using any other political or economic (let alone military) tools at Serbia’s disposal. On July 22 the ICJ performed on cue, declaring that Kosovo’s UDI was not illegal.
It should be noted that the ICJ has only assessed Kosovo’s declaration of independence; it has not considered more widely Kosovo’s right to unilateral secession from Serbia. Furthermore, the ICJ has not assessed either the consequences of the adoption of the UDI, namely whether Kosovo is a state, or the legitimacy of its recognition by a number of countries. The ICJ decision was unsurprising in view of the self-defeating question which the UN General Assembly posed at Serbia’s request: “Is the unilateral declaration of independence by the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government of Kosovo in accordance with international law?” As a former British diplomat who knows the Balkans well has noted, international law takes no notice of declarations of independence, unilateral or otherwise; they are irrelevant:
[I]f the town council down the road here in the UK makes a solemn unilateral declaration of the town’s independence from the UK, the rest of us will make a wry smile and go back to blogging or working. The declaration is ‘in accordance’ with UK law – free speech and all that. [ ... ] If citizens of our town en masse support the declaration of independence, put up road-blocks, stop paying taxes to Westminster and proclaim Vladimir Putin their new king with his consent, things begin to get more interesting. Norms are being created and broken in all directions.
The ICJ has done more than its share of norm-creation. Its advisory opinion is deeply flawed and non-binding, but the government in Belgrade now has a perfect alibi for doing what it had intended to do all along.
Following the appointment of Vuk Jeremic as Serbia’s foreign minister in 2007, this outcome could be predicted with near-certainty. As President Boris Tadic’s chief foreign policy advisor, Jeremic came to Washington on 18 May 2005 to testify in Congress on why Kosovo should stay within Serbia. In his subsequent off-the-record conversations, however, he assured his hosts that the task was really to sugar-coat the bitter Kosovo pill that Serbia would have to swallow anyway.
Two years later another advisor to Tadic, Dr. Leon Kojen, resigned in a blaze of publicity after Austrian Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer declared, on April 13, 2007, “We are working with Boris Tadic and his people to find a way to implement the essence of the Ahtisaari plan.” Tout Belgrade knew that “Tadic’s people” meant—Vuk Jeremic. Gusenbauer’s indiscretion amounted to the revelation that Serbia’s head of state and his closest advisor were engaged in secret negotiations aimed at facilitating the detachment of Kosovo from Serbia—which, of course, was “the essence of the Ahtisaari plan.” Jeremic’s quest for sugar-coating of the bitter pill was evidently in full swing even before he came to the helm of Serbia’s diplomacy.
In the intervening three years Tadic and Jeremic have continued to pursue a dual-track policy on Kosovo. The decisive fruit of that policy was their disastrous decision to accept the European Union’s Eulex Mission in Kosovo in December 2008. Acting under an entirely self-created mandate, the EU thus managed to insert its mission, based explicitly on the provisions of the Ahtissari Plan, into Kosovo with Belgrade’s agreement.
That was the moment of Belgrade’s true capitulation. Everything else — the ICJ ruling included — is just a choreographed farce…
The ICJ opinion crowns two decades of U.S. policy in the former Yugoslavia that has been mendacious and iniquitous in equal measure. By retroactively condoning the Albanian UDI, the Court has made a massive leap into the unknown. That leap is potentially on par with Austria’s July 1914 ultimatum to Serbia. The fruits will be equally bitter.
Aiding and abetting Muslim designs in the Balkans, in the hope that this will earn some credit for the United States in the Islamic world, has been a major motive of American policy in the region since at least 1992. It has never yielded any dividends, of course, but repeated failure only prompts the architects of the policy to redouble their efforts.
It is virtually certain that Washington will be equally supportive of an independent Sanjak that would connect Kosovo with Bosnia, or of any other putative Islamistan, from western Macedonia to southern Bulgaria (“Eastern Rumelia”) to the Caucasus. The late Tom Lantos must be smiling approvingly wherever he is now, having called, three years ago, on “Jihadists of all color and hue” to take note of “yet another example that the United States leads the way for the creation of a predominantly Muslim country in the very heart of Europe.”
In the region, the ICJ verdict will encourage two distinct but interconnected trends: greater-Albanian aspirations against Macedonia, Montenegro, Greece, and rump-Serbia (Preševo), and pan-Islamic agitation for the completion of the Green Corridor – an Islamic belt anchored in Asia Minor and extending north-westward across the Balkans into the heart of Central Europe.
Beyond the Balkans, it will breed instability in each and every potential or actual separatist hotspot, from Galilee to Kashmir, from the Caucasus to Sinkiang.
Kosovo is now an expensive albatross costing American and European taxpayers a few billion a year. It will continue developing, not as a functional economy but as a black hole of criminality and terrorism. The ever-rising and constantly unfulfilled expectations of its unemployable multitudes will eventually turn – Frankenstein’s monster-like – against the entity’s creator. There will be many Ft. Dixes to come, over there and here at home.
God acts in mysterious ways. Kosovo had remained Serbian during those five long centuries of Ottoman darkness, to be liberated in 1912. It is no less Serbian now, the ugly farce in Priština and at The Hague notwithstanding. It will be tangibly Serbian again when the current experiment in global hegemonism collapses, and when the very names of its potentates and servants – Boris Tadic and Vuk Jeremic included – are consigned to the Recycle Bin of history.
Here’s the same article in Serbian.
Be sure to visit The Lord Byron Foundation for Balkan Studies to read many other articles about the Balkans counterjihad and how US and EU foreign policy has consistently favored our jihadi enemies.
(hattip to NoThreat2U)
Israel is next. This same court will declare a Palestinian state next. The US is wrong for backing the Jihadis in Kosovo. Clinton did Christians wrong here and Bush recognizing Kosovo was doing at the behest of his Saudi masters.
When America is free we should re-arm Serbia and let them take back what’s theirs.
Long live Serbia!
There are two co-workers: one is Bosnian/Roman Catholic (I believe) and the other is a teammate of hers who is Mohammedan. I wonder what they would think of this. Of course, I can’t ask them at work, and I don’t have their e-mail addresses.
Just wondering.
the bureaucrats/elites side with the muslims again. kosovo has been serbian since the 14th century when the serbs halted the turkish muzzie advance into europe.
i’m shocked, NOT!
fine, give the muzz bastards kosovo, the minute one iota of a problem is detected the serbs can then declare war, invade, and start destroying the narco-terror state that is kosovo/albania. the serbs can bring back Arkan’s Tigers.
You realize that in 1861 these people would have recognized the Confederate States of America right off the bat, and would have gone ape-shit over William T. Sherman’s War Crimes in Georgia and South Carolina…
ever wonder how most of the heroin gets here form afghanistan?
it goes right through the kosovo muzzies and albanian muzzies.
narco-terrorists.
@ Iron Fist:
They’d have gone apeshit over the People of Israel leaving Bondage in BFEgypt.
@ Macker:
Well, of course. Moses should have formed a Union, and bribed Pharaoh for better working conditions. Or, even better, perks for himself, and left the Jews where they belonged, don’t you know. IIRC, Pharoah offered something along those lines, but Moses was working for a different Boss by that time…
the euro-peon elite dhimmis strike again, they would rather side with their muzz allies than with christian europeans.
@ Iron Fist:
while they are at it the ICJ should give half of austria back to the muzz as well.
I might add, keep the Croatians as far away from this as possible.
@ coldwarrior:
Be careful. They just might. And all of Spain. Because what is once muzz is always muzz, now and forever. The muzz can’t win it by conquest, but they can win it by political warfare if the West is pussy enough to let them. The pussification of the West since the end of the Second World War is astounding. You wouldn’t think you were dealing with the same culture, which, I guess, to a large degree you are not. We’ve become over-civilized. We don’t know how to win wars anymore. Not ewven when we have overwhelming force. Loiok at what the Norks are doing. Dos anyone expect the West to do anything substantive about it?
savage wrote:
That is for sure!
Poles say Kosovo is Serbia!
@ savage:
Meaning?
@ 1389AD:
This is a perfect comment on a thread over at Jihad Watch about the Croatians. I know you are Serbian so you probably know this, but I’m sure most reading this thread aren’t but I think it’s good info.
Comes from this JW thread….
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/aiding-and-abetting-muslim-designs-in-the-balkans-in-the-hope-that-this-will-earn-some-credit-for-th.html#comments
As a Catholic, I am disgusted by the Croatians.
The Ustashe were truly evil bastards.
@ snork:
Read my latest just above this…
@ The Osprey:
The first time I heard of the Ustacha, I was watching Adam 12 when I was a little kid and Malloy and Reed had pulled this old guy over for something and tthe old man wouldn’t get out of the car so Malloy told Reed about the Ustacha. For some reason I still remember that Adam 12 show cause of that.
Maybe Serbia will be better off in the long run letting Kosovo go. That’s 2 million fewer Muslims within their borders. It’s also 2 million fewer Albanians, making rump-Serbia (Serbia without Kosovo, as Trifkovic calls it) more *Serbian* than Serbia-with-Kosovo (SwK) linguistically and culturally
as well as in terms of religion.
Rump Serbia will be only about 3%-5% Muslim, much less than the 20% of SwK, and less than some Western European nations like France, Belgium and Holland. Rump Serbia can then join with the very small Muslim minority countries of East Central Europe like Poland, Czech, Hungary, Romania and Ukraine, while SwK would remain relegated to the Muslim majority and strong minority Balkans, like Albania, Bosnia, Macedonia, Bulgaria and Montenegro.
both sides need to stop with the croat v serb thing.
they have buried the hatchet is the face of the common muzz enemy.
the left would love to keep that old ww2 wound open so that neither side fights the muzz:
@ jeppo:
that looks ok on paper…but the history of kosovo is intertwined with serbia…no land to muzzies. make all of them move to albania.
@ savage:
I can’t believe you remember that!
I was a huge fan of that show! Never missed it. They filmed in our neighborhood one day.
I had a crush on Martin Milner (the blond one)! HAHAHAHA!
@ coldwarrior:
Make all of them move to Saudi Arabia. That is the kind of world they want to live in, let them move there. We don’t need it or them here. That is probably the most practical solution, but the West is too pussified to even consider it.
@ jeppo:
No, after the US is no longer able to intervene on the side of the Muslims (and that day is coming), the Serbs need to send the Muslims in Kosovo back to their homes in Albania whence they came.
Not looking for any praise or anything, but did this happen to come from me? I sent this article to the blog for either Rodan or 1389. I thought they would be interested. The only reason I ask is I’m curious how often the blog email is checked and if it gets full pretty quick. Glad to see yinz picked up on it no matter where it came from.
savage wrote:
*feeling nervous about being Croatian**
coldwarrior wrote:
My understanding is that Hitler and Tito are the ones responsible for the present day Albanian majority in Kosovo. During WWII, the Muslim Waffen SS Divisions Handschar (Bosnia muzz) and Skanderbeg (Albanian muzz) massacred Serbs in Kosovo and a lot of Serbs fled. After WWII, Tito encouraged Albanian immigration to Kosovo because he wanted to “balance” the Serbian majority in Yugoslav Federal Socialist Republic.
Milosevic built his reputation by opposing Tito’s Kosovo policy and standing up for rights of Serbs in Kosovo beginning in the 1980′s after Tito’s death.
coldwarrior wrote:
Given what has recently happened in Greece, I seriously doubt that the EU will expand any further anytime soon. (See EU door finally shut to Eastern hopefuls.) I think that, whatever the Serbs and/or their government (not the same thing at all) may currently think, Serbia is far better off in the long run not being part of the EU.
coldwarrior wrote:
It’s a lot older than WWII. It’s about a people divided into two religions. The only fitting analogy is Ireland. And that division was related to the empires of Europe; the Serbs were clearly in the Russian orbit, and the Croats were in the Hapsburg orbit. To this day, many Serbs spell their common language with Cyrillic letters.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Don’t worry, we’re not bigots here.
NoThreat2U wrote:
I did get this from email, and to protect your privacy I won’t reveal the email addy, though I suppose it must have been from you.
@ 1389AD:
@ snork:
the move in serbia/croatia is to burry the hatchet and unite against the common muzz enemy.
there is no reason whatever to continue a fight between orthodox and catholic over there when the muzz are beating down the door. ost of us over here dont really understand what a huge problem albania and the muzz bastards that live there are.
its god damned stupid and it appears that the serbs and croats are able to get over it.
@ 1389AD:
I really wish I understood the confliict a little better. My Mother always told me that the Croats and the Serb didn’t get along well. Even she didn’t know exactly why because the family never talked about it. I think it is awful. Now I know why my family came to America….too many commies in my family. There is a direct line to my family and Tito. Need to do more family research. Sure am glad I ain’t no commie.
@ 1389AD:
Glad to see you found it interesting.
@ savages_girl:
They used to film parts of that show right on our street.
@ savage:
I loved that show!
It was one of my favorite shows as a kid.
NoThreat2U wrote:
just go dahn da croatian club and getta shot of plinkovac…yinz y’ll be right as rain in no time!
@ coldwarrior:
“no land to muzzies”
Too late. The US and NATO created 2 Euro-Muslim states (Bosnia and Kosovo) out of parts of former Yugoslavia, and now we pretty much have to live with it. But the silver lining for Serbia is that it’s only 3-5% Muslim instead of 20% Muslim. And that’s the difference between national survival and impending dhimmitude in the long run.
@ NoThreat2U:
Tito wasn’t that bad as commies go. At least his Partisans were on the side of the Allies in WWII, and his indpendent nature was a perpetual thorn in the side of Josef Stalin. And the guy had a sense of humor. When Churchill’s military liason to the Yugoslav Partisans met Tito, a Scottish officer (forget his name at the moment), he was wearing a Scottish regimental uniform with a kilt. Tito’s first words to him were “Did you parachute in wearing that?” LOL.
@ coldwarrior:
Don’t be dissin’ my pelinkovac. That is my family’s drink right there. lol
jeppo wrote:
give me one reason why the lines on that fools map cant change?
coldwarrior wrote:
As long as I’m not drinking it under a picture of Ante Pavelic.
NoThreat2U wrote:
I had Serbian communists in my family (no longer living) but I certainly am not one! They had fallen away from the Orthodox Church, and I went back to it.
@ The Osprey:
I heard we wasn’t THAT bad as far as commies go. I really need to research it a lot more. Sure am glad I am an American patriot. I fear there were Nazis in the family too. Not sure why we all fled Europe…to escape justice or to escape the commies and nazis. Should make for an interesting book someday.
@ The Osprey:
Oh great, fascists too
@ 1389AD:
Like I said, one day it will be interesting to find out everything about my family. Then again, maybe I don’t want to know. The part of Europe my Father’s family was from was there to push back the Ottoman hordes. Interesting people…to a degree.
NoThreat2U wrote:
read this
this
and this
and this
there will be a quiz.
NoThreat2U wrote:
plinkovac versus slivovitz…that’s where all the trouble started
coldwarrior wrote:
The Muslims who have infiltrated Kosovo over the past century, and especially under the Nazis, during the Tito era, and during the NATO occupation, all came from family/tribal homes in Albania. They can be sent back if anybody has the sense and political will to do that.
Rodan wrote:
Yes Israel is next. First they delegitimize, then demonize, then exterminate.
@ NoThreat2U:
I’ve often thought Pavelic was the model for “Fearless Leader” in the Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons.
Fearless Leader speaks with an East European accent but his uniform looks Nazi/Fascist, not Communist.
The Osprey wrote:
ok…i can see that.
1389AD wrote:
The Croats were enthusiastic Nazi collaborators.
@ coldwarrior:
Oh yuck! I do love me some chilled pelinkovac though. Yum! I will read those links…probably saave them too. Thank you
@ coldwarrior:
Not disagreeing, just saying that this has deep roots. The present-day hatred is really a vestige of the animosity between the Russian empire and the Hapsburg empire. And that animosity still lives to this day, with the EU standing in for the Hapsburgs.
@ snork:
the croats and serbs have already signed military cooperation treaties and police/intle cooperation treaties as i said.
they can get over it because they have to, the muzz (albanians/iranian intel) are the bigger threat to both of them right now.
BTW, if anyone has any interest in experimenting with electronics, let me recommend this Serbian company, who makes a very good and cost-effective line of microcontroller development hardware and software. Great stuff if you’re diddling with robotics, for example.
ColdWarrior,
Great work! Though there are a few small things here and there. For example, you wrote:
“Yugoslavia, which contained Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Vojvodina, and Kosovo”.
Yougoslavia actually had six “republics”: Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro.
Vojvodina and Kosovo are “autonomous provinces” of Serbia.
@ snork:
i like buycotts!
@ coldwarrior:
I have two of their compilers and three of their development boards. Because they’re good value.
@ Lazar of Serbia:
i’ll have to go back and fix that.
those posts gave me a large headache and made me want to drink slivovitz well into the night.
@ Lazar of Serbia:
Are you the same Lazar who posts at Jihadwatch? Welcome!
Lazar of Serbia wrote:
wait, i remember why i did it that way…i needed to get all the players listed for later. i should have been a little more clear…i’ll get back there and clarify the list
So the Catholics aligned themselves with the muslims? Now aint that some shit *spit*
@ coldwarrior:
Unrelated – how can I change my avatar?
NoThreat2U wrote:
gross error in judgment there.
@ The Osprey:
That’s me. Nice to be in such a good company!
@ Lazar of Serbia:
You’re correct.
I don’t recall seeing you here, but then, I’m still a newbie on Blogmocracy. Where are you located?
Lazar of Serbia wrote:
gravatar.com has the setup
feel free to proof those and let me know,
coldwarrior wrote:
LOL LOL LOL
@ Lazar of Serbia:
Our avatars are from Gravatar…setup an account there.
Great thread 1389, thanks. I’ve got weekend chores to do though so I will see you all later.
Lazar of Serbia wrote:
Go here, sign up with the same email addy you used for signing up at Blogmocracy, and upload the avatar image you want to use:
http://en.gravatar.com/
@ coldwarrior:
See it is stuff like this that convinces me my family was either a part of this shit or was fleeing from it. I realize those are the only two options, but you know what I mean. I aim to find out.
@ The Osprey:
Thanks very much!
I do so love this topic though.. Finally something I can learn from. I am not all that interested in the global warming threads and am too stupid to understand what Snork is talking about most of the time. lol Thanks for this thread
NoThreat2U wrote:
either way, the fight between the orthodox and catholics has to end, there is a real muzz enemey for them to fight.
1389AD wrote:
I don’t write too much. USA, but I was born in Serbia and lived there until a few years ago.
These are the two quotes from the article that I found most interesting:
Aiding and abetting Muslim designs in the Balkans, in the hope that this will earn some credit for the United States in the Islamic world, has been a major motive of American policy in the region since at least 1992. It has never yielded any dividends, of course, but repeated failure only prompts the architects of the policy to redouble their efforts.
It is virtually certain that Washington will be equally supportive of an independent Sanjak that would connect Kosovo with Bosnia, or of any other putative Islamistan
Scares the hell out of me.
@ coldwarrior:
I agree totally and completely. Until we all come together against our common enemy, and I am including the Jews as “we”..there will never be peace. Anywhere.
@ The Osprey:
Actually, the image of Fearless Leader came from an anti-Nazi propaganda poster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fearless_Leader
It really is good versus evil…the followers of the One True God versus satan’s minions. Wow. Is there something wrong with me????
@ coldwarrior:
Indeed. I just wanted to put that quote of mine into the discussion for the simple fact that everyone needs to know the background of the various players in the area.
And if I pissed you off, I apologize.
savage wrote:
so fearless leader is an east german!
savage wrote:
i aint pissed.
@ coldwarrior:
Possibly Stasi.
@ coldwarrior:
must have read it wrong.
Hello all It was a very bad idea to support the Muslims against the Serbs.
Clinton needed a distraction from his scandals & he went for the side that was
losing.
@ savage:
Staatssicherheit!
NoThreat2U wrote:
There is something wrong with ALL of us because we live in a fallen world. Plenty of Catholics, other Christians, and Jews are followers of the True God. But we all need God’s help and nobody can accomplish any good without it.
RIX wrote:
and he needed to reocver from inaction in rwanda, and he needed to somehow get a legacy, and somehow create the clinton doctrine, and somehow make that damned bj in the whitehouse go away.
RIX wrote:
I think it had to do with the Lewinski/impeachment affair and with the rape allegations that had recently surfaced.
It was a “Wag the Dog” scenario, but for the fact that Clinton fought on behalf of the Albanians rather than against them.
@ 1389AD:
I sum it all up as “Us against a common enemy”. Time to set aside past differences. Civilization is in trouble. As Catholics, Orthodox, and Jews, what are we gonna do about it? I’ll stand beside my Jewish and Orthodaox brothers and sisters and fight.
@ coldwarrior:
Just like the Geheime Staatspolitzei.
@ savage:
@ savages_girl:
Hulu.com has 99 Adam-12 Episodes you can watch for free on their website.
savage wrote:
well, yeah!
why re-invent the wheel?
@ Bob in Breckenridge:
Dude, that is fucking awesome! As soon as I have time, I will find the episode where my old house is.
@ coldwarrior:
If Obama has his way, the Secret Service will resemble something along the lines of either the Cheka (Chrezvychaynaya Komissiya) or the GPU (Gosudarstvennoye Politicheskoye Upravlenie)
@ savage:
that stuff doesn’t work real well with an armed populace!
savage wrote:
They already have their version of the SA, in the SEIU.
coldwarrior wrote:
To paraphrase Willie the Bard “Out, damned dress stain!”
lobo91 wrote:
a real unions like usw/teamsters/umw hate those jokers.
i’ll take my former teamster brothers in a street brawl against sieu any day anywhere.
@ coldwarrior:
I wouldn’t put it past Barry to attempt to suspend the Constitution. Then all bets are off.
savage wrote:
yep. time to go to the streets at that point
Well isn’t this special!
http://www.newpatriotjournal.com/Articles/Multiple_Ranches_In_Laredo_TX_Taken_Over_By_Los_Zetas
coldwarrior wrote:
More accurately, the towns of Perchtoldsdorf, Hainfeld, Türnitz, Wilhelmsburg, and Lilienfeld in Lower Austria (that’s geographically Northeast Austria) were briefly under Ottoman occupation in 1683 (their populations were massacred and enslaved — an estimated 92,000 slaves were taken by the Turks out of Austria alone); once the Turks were defeated that same year at the Gates of Vienna by the joint forces of Poland-Lithuania, the Holy Roman Empire, the Zaporozhian Cossacks and the Duchy of Tuscany, they were driven from Austria and authority over these towns fell back to the Hapsburgs. The only part of Austria to fall under official Ottoman administration was the city of Beltinci and its environs in modern-day Northeastern Slovenia (the Prekmurje region), as Balatin sanjak, part of Buda elayet and later Kanisza elayet during the period of Ottoman occupation and administration over nearly all of modern-day Hungary and parts of south-central and southwest Slovakia (Nove Zamky) in the 16th and 17th centuries. The northernmost sanjak, or province, of the Ottoman Empire was Podolia in historically Poland-Lithuania (modern-day Western Ukraine), held from the Treaty of Buczacz in 1672 until it was fully-liberated in 1699. The northernmost temporary territorial acquisition by the Turks was the ghazw against the Vestmannaeyjar archipelago by Barbary corsairs (engaged in al-jihad fi’l-bahr — jihad of the sea) led by Dutch-born mujahid-pirate Jan Janszoon aka Murat Reis the Younger. In this ghazw, as many as 400 Icelanders were captured and enslaved, taken down to Algiers to be sold in the slave-markets. These islands were under the Islamic flag for several days, so present-day mujahedin might possibly be able to claim them as eternal waqf land. The Isle of Lundy off the Cornish coast was held by the Ottomans and Barbary corsairs between approximately 1645 and 1660; it was used as a staging point from which ghazwat against the Welsh and English coasts were committed, and there are accounts of the “Islamic flag” (with the shahadah, presumably — but that’s just conjecture) flying over it.
At the very least, outside of most of the Balkans and the Crimea, they can “claim” Western Ukraine, southwestern-southcentral Slovakia, and most of Hungary, not to mention the city of Otranto invaded and occupied by the Turks from 1480-1481 (site of a horrific massacre in which 800 Christians who refused to apostatize from Roman Catholicism to Sunni Islam were beheaded, their skeletal remains housed behind glass in the local cathedral behind its altar). Otranto was occupied and used as a base to plunder and terrorize surrounding cities in Apulia (where the emirates of Taranto [840-880] and Bari [847-871] and the Apulian-Basilicatan-Calabrian “Sultanate” of Muffaraj ibn Sallam [853-871] had been located). The imminent conquest of Italy was only prevented by the fact that Gedik Ahmed Pasha’s army was poorly-supplied and could not last the winter. (In contrast, the conquest of Italy by Fatimid Caliph al-Qaim in 934-935 was prevented by an anti-Berber revolt led by Abu Zayid, which forced al-Qaim to being back his troops and abandon the conquest of Europe north of Sicily)..
@ Philip_Daniel:
WOW! we need to have that list on hand at all times! nice work!
the icj needs to get busy!
NoThreat2U wrote:
This amounts to an act of war. Somehow I don’t expect our federal gummint, whose job it is to protect American soil from armed foreign invasion, to do its Constitutional duty in ridding us of these thugs and making sure they never come back.
@ 1389AD:
This part sums it up well:
Their frustrations are understandable because keeping the truth suppressed continues to hamper law enforcement from receiving the true support they need along the border.
@ 1389AD:
I want the Army in there to slaughter these Zetas. Kill every damn one of them, then declare WAR on Mexico.
And fucking flatten Nuevo Laredo.
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Philip_Daniel wrote:
We have similar “monument” in Serbia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_Tower
At least Vlad knew who he was dealing with.
I evolved into pro serb. I used to think moderate muslims were people that could be worked with. BUt now I think that the radicals in Islam use moderate muslims like swiss chees uses holes. The serb should should ally with Russia more and push back the muzzies at the UN and in the homeland.
@ Philip_Daniel:
But please, don’t forget to mention that also Hungarian Christians were allied to the Ottomans during the siege of Vienna 1683.
Guggi wrote:
I’m fully aware of this. Hatred of the Hapsburgs was worse than hatred of the Ottomans among some Hungarians such as Imre Thököly. This does not preclude the facts of Ottoman imperialism and cruelty being rooted in canonical scriptural and exegetical texts of Sunni Islam.
@ Philip_Daniel:
Europe was deeply divided and in between power struggles at that time which enabled the Ottomans – after consultations with France and with her acceptance - to siege Vienna.
Btw.: also Christianity was mostly spread through the sword and not through the word. After all in both cases it was more about power politics than about religion.
@ 1389AD:
Fedgov may not do anything but I’ll bet the Texas Rangers will.
Guggi wrote:
Absolutely correct (France and the Ottomans collaborated, as they had a common enemy in the Hapsburgs, but once their common enemy would’ve been out of the way, one can assume that they — the French and Ottomans — would have then assumed the status of foes), but this does preclude (yes, that word again!) the existence of a ghazi culture in the Ottoman empire, a deeply expansionist drive hidden under the legislation of the holy war. (I should add that the Ottomans had a deep desire to subjugate as much of Europe as possible [their vassal, the Crimean Tatar Khanate, drew up plans for the conquest of Russia after the 1571 destruction of Moscow and the surrounding hinterlands by aforesaid Tatars -- ambitious plans which were thwarted by the Battle of Molodi a year later] but were deeply embroiled in conflicts with the Safavids in Persia and the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean which inescapably diverted their attention.)
Guggi wrote:
I am not an apologist for Christianity. I am familiar with the Northern Crusades against the Balts, for instance, a clear Christian equivalent of the phenomenon of jihad al-talab wa’l-ibtida (which had subsumed land from the Maldives to the Khanate of Sibir in modern-day Siberia). However, even ibn Khaldun, a brilliant historiographer of Berber extraction, noted an intrinsic difference between Islamic and Christian theology in the subject of the holy war for expansion of theocracy…
Muhammad made clear pronouncements that the global suzerainty of his deen will, and must, be spread at the point of al-sayf — the sword. The pronouncements of Jesus and even Paul on this subject are not quite as belligerent, as I can recall. Both Islam and Christianity have bloody, violent, imperialist histories, but upon further acquaintance with the scriptural and exegetical works of both religions, one can easily assess that of the two, Islam is more innately belligerent, per the prescriptions of the nasikh ayat of the Qur’an, the sahih ahadith, and traditional tafsirun and fiqh of the mainstream madhaheb of Sunnism and Shi’ism .
@ Guggi:
Philip_Daniel wrote:
Mea culpa — does not preclude.
orangecrush wrote:
I’m with you on that.
By the way…
More stuff about Kosovo and the ICJ ruling:
ICJ on Kosovo: Less Than Meets the Eye
The Osprey wrote:
“The instruments of God’s religion, a servant of God who cleanses the earth from the filth of polytheism…the sword of God.”–Ottoman poet Ahmedi [dated circa 1402]
@ Philip_Daniel:
You certainly know that Ayat al-sayf can be interpreted in different ways ?
Guggi wrote:
You take me for an idiot, don’t you? There are those who say it only applied to the context of the time, there are some who say it is only ad-daf’ (defensive), some who say it can be both ad-daf’ and al-talab (offensive), there are some who say it is only al-talab, there are some who say it is a fardh kifaya (collective obligation) if al-talab and a fardh ain if ad-daf’ and relevant until the Hour of Ressurection, there are some who say it that both are fardh kifaya and relevant until the Hour of Ressurection. I am aware of the variety of legalistic opinions. The ad-daf’ as fardh ain and al-talab as fardh kifaya is most common — it is enshrined in the writings of such influential mufassirun as ibn Kathir and al-Suyuti and al-Tabari. Fact is, the Qur’an and the Sunna have been heavily referenced by self-proclaimed ghuzat in their wars of conquest, whether al-futuh al-habash by the Adal Sultanate or the wars of the Ottomans against the Hapsburgs or the raiding expeditions of the Sumatran Sultan al-Malik az-Zahir as recorded in the writings of traveler ibn Batouta.
@ Philip_Daniel:
“self-proclaimed ghuzat” is the key-term. Now we can agree
Guggi wrote:
They have a stronger comprehension of the nuances of fiqh than either you or I…no matter whether they’re “right” or “wrong”, they have an enormous amount of textural support for their contentions as well as historical precedent. I’m not fond of Christianity, and I am all-too-aware of its own legacy of what it considers Bellum Justum, but it is mujahedin who are invoking both rasul’allah and the jihadin of such “luminaries” as Sokoto Caliphate founder Usman dan Fodio in 19th century West Africa, as these modern-day incarnations of al-Ansar and al-Muhajirun behead and mutilate their way to Islamic Utopia from Latin America to the Phillipines…