I have been finding this whole JournoList saga to be a fascinating insight into the progressive media’s mindset. The wolf pack mentality, the smelling of blood, the rapacious desire not not only defeat their opponents by any means necesary but to destroy them followed by whingeing proclamations that everything was taken out of context and their solemn protestations of ”professionalism”. What is funny though is that the lefties of JOurnoList had such a low opinion of Keith Olbermann. Too bad our candidate decided to be a “nice guy” and forbid all comments on the Rev. Wright as he would have forced the media to recognize the Wright issue.
by Jonathan Strong
In 2007, when Washington Post blogger Ezra Klein founded JournoList, an online gathering place for several hundred liberal journalists, academics and political activists, he imagined a discussion group that would connect young writers to top sources.
But in the heat of a bitter presidential campaign in 2008, the list’s discussions veered into collusion and coordination at key political moments, documents revealed this week by The Daily Caller show.
In a key episode, JournoList members openly plotted to bury attention on then-candidate Barack Obama’s controversial pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. The Washington Independent’s Spencer Ackerman, for instance, suggested an effective tactic to distract from the issue would be to pick one of Obama’s critics, “Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists.”
Conservative critics of Washington’s journalistic establishment have long charged the media with a striking liberal bias. But those critics have also said the problem was mostly unintentional, the result of a press corps made up mostly of Democratic-leaning scribes.
Yet JournoList’s discussions show an influential left-wing faction of the media participating in a far more intentional sort of liberal bias.
JournoList’s members included dozens of straight-news reporters from major news organizations, including Time, Newsweek, The Associated Press, Reuters, The Washington Post, The New York Times, Politico, Bloomberg, Huffington Post, PBS and a large NPR affiliate in California.
Also included were numerous A-list columnists and top editors. Beyond the higher-ranking members were hundreds of lesser figures, many from Washington’s liberal magazines that have long served as a stable of talent from which mainstream media organizations grab talented young writers.
In the case of the Rev. Wright story, Obama was then being hurt politically for his decades-long association with the toxic pastor, who infamously called the Sept. 11 attacks America’s “chickens coming home to roost” and urged God to “damn” America rather than bless her.
Chris Hayes, a top editor for the liberal magazine The Nation, urged his colleagues in April 2008 to avoid the subject of Wright because talking about it at all would hurt Obama. Hayes directed his message specifically to the straight-news reporters reading his post, saying: “Our country disappears people. It tortures people. It has the blood of as many as one million Iraqi civilians — men, women, children, the infirmed — on its hands. You’ll forgive me if I just can’t quite dredge up the requisite amount of outrage over Barack Obama’s pastor.”
[....]
Excerpts from JournoList;
ON OBAMA
When Obama won, reporter Alyssa Rosenberg of Government Executive magazine ditched her neutrality. “A lot of horribly ugly stuff got repudiated tonight. But it doesn’t end here. We need to keep making the case to the folks who disagreed with us.”
ON RUSH LIMBAUGH
Asked how she would react if Rush Limbaugh were having a heart attack right in front of her, Sarah Spitz, a producer for Southern California NPR affiliate KCRW, said she would “laugh loudly like a maniac and watch his eyes bug out.”
ON SARAH PALIN
“Okay, let’s get deadly serious, folks,” Ed Kilgore, managing editor of the Democratic Strategist, wrote. “Sarah Palin’s just been introduced to the country as a brave, above-party, oil-company-bashing, pork-hating maverick ‘outsider.’ What we can do is to expose her ideology.”
ON THE REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT
“Whether we are defending Wright or repudiating him, we are talking about what liberalism’s enemies want us to be talking about,” David Roberts of Grist magazine said. “The problem is that none of us are thinking about how to take control of the discussion.”
Read the rest:
The fix was in
Tags: Jonathan Strong
I wonder what new blog they’ve all moved to.
I really don’t think the public will be as easily duped this time around. Too many people are hurting because of zero and he is making an ass of himself, daily.
btw zero is -19 today at ras
@ 1389AD:
You can guarantee that the collusion is still going on. It was going on before Ezra Klien formalized it. It has been going on for decades. We can just see it better now. They can’t hide it, and that is going to destroy their credibility as the New Media expands. They won’t control the flow of information any more. They know this and they hate it. I hope they choke on their bile. I just hope this years election devistates all of their ho0pes and dreames for the forseeable future. That would be nice.
@ Iron Fist:
Bile, you say? I’m glad you put it that way.
@ Macker:
I thought about wishing them to choke on their dicks as they auto-fellate themselves, but decided that as a practical matter there just wouldn’t be enough there to choke a mouse, and these fuckers have big mouths…
@ Iron Fist:
I’ll bet they have big assholes too.
@ Iron Fist:
There are rumors of a new mailing list called the Cabalist.
Macker wrote:
Fixed
Iron Fist wrote:
And isn’t that the real gist of the so-called net neutrality act? To stifle the availability of information of the left’s mechanizations and stifle dissent?
citizen_q wrote:
Exactly.
Not that it’s relevant, but as somebody said on the last thread, have you actually seen pictures of these dweebs? What a bunch of lunch-money-less losers. No wonder they’re pissed off at the world.
I know there are some here who don’t care for Newt Gingrich as a potential 2012 presidential candidate, but he makes some great points in this interview on Big Journalism:
Rodan wrote:
We need to find some way to track and expose their activities, much the same as the Jawa Report and others are doing with the e-jihadi network.
While we can’t stop the lefties from colluding, we can puncture their credibility and hold them up to worldwide ridicule.
@ Rodan:
I’ve heard that. This won’t go away just because it has been exposed. We should hammer this, though, every time the usual suspects try to whine that there is no liberal bias. There is Institutionalized Liberal Bias throughout the MFM. We need to point this out every time they are discussing anything, especially if they are negative to our side. Make them defend themseleves and their story every time they try to take on the Right. Cut them apart, and destroy them in detail. I’d put them all in the
unemploymentfunemployment line if I could. Let them enjoy the Obama Economy® like the Little People they so despise.@ citizen_q:
Actually, “net neutrality” is something else. It’s about the ISP’s right to limit bandwidth. However, camel’s nose. If you let them start to regulate any of the internet, there’s no stopping them.
@ The Osprey:
Gingrich would be a good replacement for Steele. He’s the strategist who should be down in the bunker moving the battleships around on the table. As a politician, he’s already castrated himself.
Let him be the eminence gris. Let him be Karl Rove and Dick Cheney rolled into one. But not POTUS.
@ citizen_q:
Yes, that is the point of it. You are seeing some of these JournOlists calling quite openly for the First Amendment rights of the Right to be abridged. I always knew if they could get the Second they’d come after the First. I guess they’ve seen the way the Courts and the States are going on the Second and decided that they can’t afford to wait. Cold Civil War. This is just one of their offensives, though it is an important one we must defeat.
snork wrote:
I have seen their mugshots. Nearly all of them are white, for one thing. For another, they’re a uniformly grungy, unkempt, badly-coiffed, ill-clad, and downright ugly bunch. As time goes on, they’ll all look more and more like Helen Thomas. They’re living proof that, while beauty may be only skin deep, ugly goes clean to the bone.
snork wrote:
Yes, that would be a good position for him.
@ 1389AD:
They’re also pathetic little wieners who couldn’t get laid in a Tijuana whorehouse with a pocket full of c notes.
Of some note, too:
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-35976-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m7d20-White-House-may-have-commited-a-federal-crime-with-Goldman-Sachs
Story by Rober Moon, July 20, 2010
1389AD wrote:
Probably they were all hired by MSNBC.
O/T: I finally heard back from the office/computer supply store. The background check finally came through and I’m starting tomorrow. Yes, it’s only part-time, but it will give me some PC-support experience that I need to have as a resume-builder, not to mention keeping food on our table.
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-35976-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m7d20-White-House-may-have-commited-a-federal-crime-with-Goldman-Sachs
snork wrote:
Now that is a funny description!
crap
http://www.examiner.com
find it@ taxfreekiller:
will the repubs use this? will they shove this list and comments in the left’s face at every turn? will they use this as a club to beat on the left wiht?
no, they wont, because the repubs are the stupid party.
snork wrote:
Unmanly men like these wimps can only succeed by being sneaky and devious. They can’t be honest and upfront. They know they will get their asses kicked by regular guys. So these cowards scurry around like rats, engaging in petty little acts of annoyance, under the cover of darkness.
And they cry like 8 year old girls when someone grabs them by the scruff of the neck and shakes the shit out of them.
Ya, now that Newt has Howard Dean’s approval as a fine RINO, good enough to work with the commie Democrats, Newt’s the guy…???@ The Osprey:
@ 1389AD:
They are also all pussies, especially the ones that talked in the most violent terms. And they talked in extreme violent terms. It reminded me of, well, me
The difference being that I am on the right side of the arguement, and I can back it up. Seriously, there is a reason I harp on the Cold Civil War model for thinking about our conflict with the Left. I think our differences are even more intractible than those between the North and South in the first Civil War. This one hopefully will not break out into a hot Civil War, but there are many on the Left who want it to go there (or think that they do). And never forget that the Left are the ones with the Gulags. William Ayers talked of killing 25 million Americans, and he was a close mentor of President Obama. I don’t know that Obama approved of such talk, but it is clear that he was not repelled by it. He accepted that it would be discussed, and in those terms, and thought that he could profit from learning political warfare from this man. That alone should chill you to the bone.
Speranza wrote:
I’d be surprised if MSNBC has the budget to hire anybody at this point. Most MSM outlets are cutting their staffs these days because people are ignoring them.
What really is of interest is what other hidden blog, forum, chat room, mailing list, or other e-venue they are using to get together on. I’m hoping somebody can keep infiltrating and/or hacking into whatever new spider-holes they attempt to use, so as to continue exposing and ridiculing them.
@ 1389AD:
Good to hear! PT is better than NO- T!
~:D
@ Iron Fist:
They need to coordinate their message. The Jurnolist and whatever replaced it shows why they are disciplined and stay on message.
Macker wrote:
Of course, that’s where they park their heads between Obama and Biden gaffe’s.
@ m:
Good morning Southern Belle!
snork wrote:
I have not had the chance to look it back-up, but I was thinking net neutrality was in effect a fairness doctrine applied to the internet.
1389AD wrote:
Congrats! Any job nowadays is a good job.
citizen_q wrote:
I had heard that too. What also concerns me is this new bill (Lieberman, of course) that gives the prez a kill-switch on the internet. All internet, not just sensitive areas.
That net is tightening!
1389AD wrote:
Actually on JournoList they were trashing Keith Olbermann!
@ 1389AD:
That’s great 1389!
@ 1389AD:
Congrats on a job.
With all due respect to Mr. Strong, eff 2008 – 2010 is upon us. The lines are drawn, the die is cast, and all that other happy horseshit. Let’s get on with it…
@ 1389AD:
Great news. Happy to hear it.
@ Speranza:
Yup that Obama boom keeps roaring along!
Thanks, everyone!
I’m waiting to see if there are any AARP editors or writers past or present on the list.
vapig wrote:
There’s still a need for ham radio. Don’t throw the ham shack away yet. You may need it to connect to a server in Russia where the internet is still (relatively) free.
Speranza wrote:
That’s because instead of laughing with (or at) Olbermann, people have been ignoring him. In that way, he offended the lefties’ sense of self-importance. The one thing that they can’t stand is to be ignored, so they distance themselves from somebody they perceive to be a failure and a has-been.
Does anyone else find the exceedingly overt misogyny exhibited by two Kilgores to be something more than coincidental?
Buffalobob wrote:
That’d be interesting. I’m also thinking that Journolist was probably not the only leftie and/or pro-jihadi venue for journalists that has been operating out there.
1389AD wrote:
Gonna be real hard to distance themselves from themselves.
Conservatives do self-examination when confronted with failure, Progressives blame others.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
Hmmmm….
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
That’s true. But they’ll throw one of their own under the bus if they perceive a need to do so, just as they do over at Animal Farm.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
I saw that, and I agree that it is a striking coincidence. No one really knows who KKKilgore Trout is. To my knowledge, he never came to any LGF meetups or anything like that. He’s apparently given gardening tips for their cookbook, but that is really about all we have on him other than his posts at LGF and Hot Air. If it is the same guy, and you could link him to the Hot Air bullshit, he could lose his cushy little job. They may not give a shit about real racism in the MFM, but they damn sure care about the appearance of it if it is against “protected” minorities…
1389AD wrote:
The remarkably boiler-plate sameness of the Progressive message speaks volumes of linked and coordinating groups.
@ snork:
Ironies, huh!
1389AD wrote:
When a Progressive fails, they no longer are a member of the “group”, perfection (as they define it, and on a sliding scale) is the only tolerated state.
The hits keep coming from this asshole.
Oliver Stone: Jewish control of the media is preventing free Holocaust debate
………..and last week Oliver gave us this!
Oliver Stone: US should nationalize oil resources
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
We’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg. I’m hoping enough people will be inspired to infiltrate and expose more and more of it as time goes on.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
There is something so hideously wrong with MEN who are JEALOUS of attractive women.
They can’t feel like men, comfortable with their own masculinity when they attack women so ruthlessly.
Oh – and good on ya on the job news, 1389AD.
@ Jorline:
I’ve got a thread on the first one coming up. It is interesting how Hollyweird doesn’t distance themselves from Stone open anti-Semitism, if not his Communist leanings and open hostility to America. Interesting and telling…
@ vapig:
And some people thought Lieberman was a friend of Republicans, the GOP, and Conservatives.
He was only sucking up to get elected/re-elected.
chickadee wrote:
*** cough cato cough ***
chickadee wrote:
You’re right – this is just bizarre.
@ 1389AD:
A pebble was turned over when JList was exposed. We have the rest of the rock garden now.
Iron Fist wrote:
Agree…I look forward to your thread.
His next project.
Big Goverment .com
http://www.biggoverment.com
Yo,
Andrew Breitbart,
Know your busy, yet, there is the fun of it.
This now way liberal loon blogger, Charles Johnson of little green foot balls, he has it in for you big time. Could be some fun in sending say a film crew to him, have them ID’d as BBC or even Rueters guys. Tell him he is way important and they need to interview him on his switch to the commie left side. He will take the bait we know.
Get him to belch all of his nutty stuff on film. Get him to brag on how he banned all the conservatives from his blog. Get him to brag on his new bitch witch , iceweasle, his smart guy Ludwigged Van Quack, Quack, get him to tell you all he knows about global warming and how the planet is doomed.
You Tube it, call it littlegreenslinkeycrawlers .com
Your true,
America
@ Iron Fist:
That’s because in the current environment it’s fashionable to trash the US.
Check out this T-Shirt. Okay, the Tiger Woods thing is somewhat stale but it is still funny.
@ Jorline:
Hey, a bio-pic of the anti-Christ is right up Stone’s alley. He’d make sure the guy came out looking like a sexy Beast…
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
And the stump garden behind it.
Find out if this Ed Kilgore is a big fly fisherman.@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
@ taxfreekiller:
That’d be comedy gold! YouTube if? Hell, run a special on Comedy Central on it! Call it the “Green Collar Comedy Tour”…
The Osprey wrote:
LMAO
The Osprey wrote:
LOL, I love it. Look how calm the guy is. Just standing there so nonchalantly and confidently.
The ticket agent isn’t sure what to do.
Cato is such a big ol hunka a hunka burnin love that Palin is ordinary compared to
the world class beauties that he consorts with.
@ taxfreekiller:
Great idea but you should have just sent the email to Breitbart and not posted it here. Chuckles minions will be hip to it now. Dork Fowlcon for one, monitors us regularly for his Lizard Master.
chickadee wrote:
According to this site, he was applauded as he walked through the airport.
@ Rodan:
Good morning! er… now afternoon!
RIX wrote:
When you are as hideous and ghastly as the monstrous beast, cato the ogre, you really can not afford to have a personality to match.
Being nice is his only hope in this world.
The Osprey wrote:
DF = Renfield…yes Master!
Shirley Sherrod’s “civil rights hero” husband Charles Sherrod, this year, saying “finally, we must stop the white man and Uncle Toms from stealing our elections.”
WA Senate Race Tightens
That would be a real trophy if Patty the Dumb were booted.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Sounds racist to me.
Media Matters Making Shit Up.
Jorline wrote:
Only whites are racist, minorities are just fighting back against oppression.
And if you believe that I have a handful of magic beans to sell you.
@ snork:
If MM ever did report the news, even with Progressive spin, that would be a first for them.
Jorline wrote:
Oh, I’m sure it’s just taken out of context. After all, Jeremiah Wright was merely being ungrammatically patriotic when he said, “God am America.”
snork wrote:
Doesn’t surprise me; the proprietor of Little Green Fatblog suckles mightily at the Media Matters teat, and he makes things up all the time.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
Yep
@ snork:
Isn’t he the one they refer to as “Sissy” Willis?
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Screw context…right?
//
.
Clearly, he missed the memo.
Must dash for a dr. appointment–but this whole affair shows the media as being the descendants of Goebbels and Zinovev in the way they manipulated the facts and stories to their benefit.
The irony is that they don’t see what they are doing (or that the they do and do not care)
Iron Fist wrote:
No. Sissy Willis is a female conservative blogger and an associate of the “Neo-Confederate” Robert Stacy McCain!
RIX wrote:
Oh boy, did he!
lol
Michael Ledeen challenges the JournOlisters:
Wanna fight? How about sushi at 3 paces?”
Speaking of the Liberal Media and Progressives,
anyone else find it highly ironic that now the Left is decrying release of secret military documents, when the Left now has firm control of all levers of government. They sure loved the leaks when Bush was in office.
I thought the leaks were wrong then, they are wrong now.
snork wrote:
That’s what they do. David Brock is one of the lowest forms on Earth.
Zombie presents: This week in raaaaacism…
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
That’s because you have actual principles.
lobo91 wrote:
Say that in front of witnesses and I’ll deny it all.
It continues, the biggest lie the MSM echo chamber is now spreading everywhere is that Fox News got Sherrod fired.
http://johnnydollar.us/files/100725fhwir.php
Only Hannity hammered the association of Obama to Rev Wright. Palin wanted to but McCain, who thinks everything is about him, and stopped thinking about the real world sometime in the torture at the Hanoi Hilton.
It is obvious that McCain just wanted to be a senator, where he is comfortable, settled, respected, and one of the boys. He only ran for President because it was formalistic-ally “his turn.” When it came to actually fighting for that place, he had an attack dog in Palin and reigned her in. In hindsight, if she had more experience she should have told McCain:
“I am going to attack Obama on this 20 years in a “God Damn America Church,” and you can try to walk the dog backwards and make your campaign and yourself look even more inept. Unlike you Mr McCain, I am not in the good, ole boys club, I don’t have Lindsay Graham going down on me every night. So I would just as soon fight like this actually meant something, like the country and its future were more important than sitting around in the Senatorial Club smoking Cuban cigars and elevating comity with demon-possed democrats above the welfare of this only indispensable nation.”
Republicans simply do not know how to fight, with the exception of Chris Christie, and it looks like Jindal is learning how to carry a blade. I do not know of any others, most of them are the same old thing, fucking ad-men, or lawyers, or Democrat-light. When we need Andrew Jackson’s and real sons-of-bitches. Do you know why a lot of Republican women are coming to the forefront? That is what happens when the men of your clan, or tribe no longer have any balls, the women step up to fight, generally out of a sense of protecting their kids, Palin is exactly right, if there is any salvation for the Republic, and for the Republican party it will come out of the very real sense of alarm from the women that political stuff is not far off, it is destroying the future for the immediate children, not…down the road grand kids, it is right now in your face.
@ The Osprey:
Thanks! I shoud get to know all these “Neo-Confederates”. There is secession talk around here. People are not pleased.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
Your secret’s safe with me.
Rancher wrote:
as if the Obama Administration takes its order from Fox News!
McCain forbade any mention of Rev.Wright. That’s when I knew he really did not want to win.
@ Mike C.:
Thanks!
Speranza wrote:
He should have turned to him in the middle of one of the debates and asked ” How could you have sat there listened to that vile anti-white and anti-semitic crap for all those years?”
@ Speranza:
For me the “I don’t want to win” moment came when he gushed about Barry winning the Dem nomination.
Hey…Official “Shark Week” August 1.
chickadee wrote:
Has anybody seen him?
He also chastised a woman at one of his rallies for suspecting that Obama is a Muslim.
He should have stoped there , but he didn’t. He went on to drool over Obama & damn
near endorsed him.
@ Speranza:
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
You could tell McCain didn’t want to win when his campaign did not make posters, signs, and bumper stickers readily available. I remember people complaining about this at the time; they had to pay for them, they had to wait weeks for them. Meanwhile, the Obama campaign was papering the country three layers deep in slick graphics in endlessly variant forms.
The Osprey wrote:
That’s threadworthy!
Jehu wrote:
I would hazard a guess he thought his turn was in 2000, and ran in 2008 to piss on the voters that nominated Bush instead.
McCain has psychological problems from his experience in the Hanoi Hilton, I mean how could you not? His protest against water-boarding is enough. I mean are you kidding me? If I am President of the U.S. and I face the hidden nuclear bomb in a city scenario and I have the terrorist in captivity, that guy is going to tell us everything. If I have to do it personally, blowtorch and pliers and then start in on his family in front of him, we will find that nuke, then we destroy every country, every organization, everyone that even smiled at this guy.
1389AD wrote:
Yes, there was article about him and his dog in the Baltimore City Paper
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
For me it was when he said Obama would make a fine President. I was, like, WTF? The whole point of your campaign is to make the voters realize that the other guy wouldn’t make a fine President, or at least not so fine as you. For all I know, the fucker voted for Obama. He damn sure didn’t run against him.
FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:
Back in the day, they used to hang people for leaking military secrets.
Iron Fist wrote:
I don’t think McCain’s elevator goes to the top floor.
Speranza wrote:
Yes, I remember when that happened. I was traveling on business in Salt Lake City at the time. I knew right then the campaign was lost, but I kept up a forlorn hope “The Maverick” might change his mind. Sigh.
@ 1389AD:
Whoever has been leaking that stuff is definitely looking at a long prison term if they figure out who did it.
Speranza wrote:
McCain actually turned into a shill for zero. When he said that ‘zero would make a fine potus,’ i knew we were doomed.
I’m starting to think I should add the Rockies to the prayer list…
Speranza wrote:
Journolist wasnt actually shut down, they just moved to a new secret location and are continuing their treasonous activities.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
Yes, exactly, like a petulant child, it was HIS turn, don’t you know, and Bush did not get the memo, I mean how dare Bush run a rough and tumble campaign against him…a true American Hero.
So instead he goes through the motions a second time and the utterly incompetent GOP allowed him to win the primaries. What the hell was wrong with Rudy? Or even Romney, who at least had money and executive experience? What the Hell was Huckabee doing running? He reminds me of Uncle Fester. We get such lousy candidates. When O won the primary I knew it was over, that the media was masturbating themselves to blisters now with an “authentic,” black man running, the story wrote itself, right up to an already conditioned Oprah idiot electorate, decades in the making. Look at the cryfest inauguration, FOOLS!
The Osprey wrote:
How did they identify him as Cato? And what does he need the dog for? To stop him from biting people, or to help him drink out of the toilet?
FWIW, I will say that the DOG is very attractive.
lobo91 wrote:
Charge them with treason, starting with Obama and work your way down the ladder…
@ Jehu:
The MFM sure loved the idea of a candidate McLame right up to the moment he clinched it.
A blast from the past, the 2000 campaign:
VOTE FOR BUSH
You, Too, Can Be Part of the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy
@ 1389AD:
He identified himself, as I recall.
@ 1389AD:
The name of the dog for one thing. And the location. And IIRC Cato actually posted a link to this story back in the day on LGF.
Did Zombie ever manage to banned at LGF? Does he still go there?
Yikes. Charles Sherrod is worse than I thought.
F’n klansman, that asshole be.
1389AD wrote:
Hanging sounds fair after he serves one year in the most dangerous position Afghanistan.
Rancher wrote:
Banned and expunged. Zombie is now a non-person at 1.0.
Jehu
129 | July 26, 2010 13:57
So instead he goes through the motions a second time and the utterly incompetent GOP allowed him to win the primaries
A big problem was the open primaries. McCain didn’t do well in closed primary states, but Independents carried him in open states & voted for Obama anyway.
@ doriangrey:
Unfortunately, that’ll never happen.
A treason charge requires intent to help the enemy.
They’ll claim that their motivation was to “end an immoral war,” or some such idealistic crap.
@ Rancher:
Yes. That was one of the most ridiculous dramas ever there.
@ 1389AD:
I really don’t think he wanted to win. I’ve suspected as much about many of the top GOP leadership for some time. I think they are quite comfortable in the role of the minority Party. As long as they get invited to the right Parties, the media speaks well of them (for a member of the putative opposition), and they get enough pork to get re-elected themselves, they don’t really care what happens to the rest of the country. That the Democrats are actively evil, that they intend to do permanent and irreperable harm to this Country, does not matter at all to them. Zack Wamp gets chewed on by one Peter Wehner for his comment that he “…hope that the American people will go to the ballot box in 2010 and 2012 so that states are not forced to consider separation from this government”. Whiner gets prissy about the Civil War (it wasn’t just about slavery, dude. Not even close), and essentially says “Union Forever, no matter what”. Well, around here that attitude doesn’t cut it. Wamp is reflecting what a lot of his constituents are saying. It isn’t just ObamaCare. It is the whole Progressive Experiment. We in the State of Tennessee do not want to go down that path. Our loyalty would be to the United States of America, not to the United Socialist States of America. To the degree that Obama is taking us in that direction (and it is a large degree; it would be the whole way if he could get away with it), secession is a viable alternative. I suspect that there are a lot of people in a lot of Red States that agree with that statement. Not a majority, not yet, but the idea is more than idlly crossing people’s minds.
Rancher wrote:
Zombie, he/she or it, is banned. Happened back in Oct. 2009.
The Osprey wrote:
I don’t remember if he posted the link himself or not, but he gave out enough information that it wasn’t difficult to find it.
@ Iron Fist:
No USSA. Secession before socialism.
Might make a good bumper sticker or t-shirt.
lobo91 wrote:
Just show that their actions did in fact help the enemy and counter charge that their assertions of “end an immoral war” are nothing but lies to camouflage their actions. Convict, then execute…
RIX wrote:
As was the Progressive intent. Get a RINO nominated.
I read over at the Guardian (what are they guarding by the way?) some excerpts from Wikileaks from that faggy-looking euro-trash guy.
And basically it is that maybe 200 civilians have been killed in the war in Afghanistan…GASP! HORROR! Man incredible, how horrible, STOP the war! More people are dying than in a German tunnel of love stampede!
And that pssssst, there are black-ops taking place, commando’s are like, you know…killing Taliban types….NO SHIT…awful.
And ummm, sometimes you know if you go outside your mascara runs in the hot sun of Afghanistan…yeah, and Becky, that girl has a really big butt!
The Osprey wrote:
I think we had a thread here on that, but the search function here sucks pickles.
@ doriangrey:
Won’t work. There’s a very high bar for treason convictions, which is why there have been so few in our history.
The fact that their actions did help the enemy are irrelevant to the charge. They have to be able to prove intent.
If they’d sent the documents directly to al Qaeda or something, that would be easy.
Iron Fist wrote:
I’ve heard talk of it even here in the Bluer than Blue state of “Warshington”, you just have to get away from the socialist enclaves of Seattle and Tacoma.
@ FurryOldGuyJeans:
And ultimately Rush’s “Operation Chaos” attempting to get Hillary nominated ended up giving us McLame because it took votes away from voting for a more conservative and electable candidate.
lobo91 wrote:
Naturally, al Qaeda, the Taliban, and everybody else of that ilk gets those docs the instant they’re posted online.
doriangrey wrote:
See below:
@ 1389AD:
While true, it doesn’t prove intent.
There were cases in the past involving the publication of nuclear secrets. The prosecution made the same argument, that the enemy was obvioulsy able to read the information once it was published.
It didn’t fly, because they weren’t able to prove intent.
@ Iron Fist:
I am already there in my mind. There needs to be something to trigger such a movement, I suspect it would come out of Texas first with other states joining in. But some egregious event, beyond suing AZ for protecting itself, or Louisiana being destroyed economically. Certainly the division to me is real and cannot be repaired. I do not want to be a part of the thinking of progressives, do not want to be a part of a society where they rule, there must be millions of us that are already fed up, not nearly at an end, but we reached out end some time ago.
While I would like nothing more than to see assholes who do stuff like this executed, there’s a reason the bar for treason convictions is so high, and that it’s the only crime specifically defined in the Constitution.
The framers knew that it was all too easy for the government to use treason charges as a way to silence their political opponents, because there was a long history of it in Europe.
Whoever leaked those documents is guilty of improperly disclosing classified information, and will spend a long time in prison if they figure out who it was.
But they won’t be convicted of treason.
The Urinal list must still be active considering the number of times these pukes have regurgitated Fox News in the past few days. Joan Walsh, Salon.com.DNC., said Fox News every 2 seconds in an interview I can’t remember where I saw it I surf so much.
kansas wrote:
Even without that list, the DNC/White House Communications Office sends out emails to “friendly” journalists on a daily basis with the day’s talking points. It’s pretty obvious if you watch different media outlets, and listen closely. They’ll all use the same expression or term.
kansas wrote:
So much jealousy. Keep the good work up Fox!
1389AD wrote:
You’re most welcome. Hope it leads to bettr things. I have spent more years that I care to count looking for a break myself.
@ snork:
Yeah, you really have to categorize and tag out the ying-yang to be able to find stuff.
If you are using useful tags and categories… we know some that don’t, LOL!