The greatest economic recovery in world history continues to fade. The much hyped Obama Economic Boom which the media, lead by Newsweek, was promoting to no end, continues to be exposed as a lie. The Progressive propaganda media wanted a narrative of Barack Hussein Obama restoring the American economy. It has not materialized that way and in fact, the 3rd World style policies are burying us in debt. Unlike the media, which calls the decline in durable goods unexpected, the recent bad economic numbers don’t shock me. Debt and government spending are not paths to prosperity.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – New orders for long-lasting U.S. manufactured goods unexpectedly fell for a second straight month in June, posting their largest decline since August, further evidence economic growth cooled in the second quarter.
The Commerce Department said on Wednesday durable goods orders fell 1.0 percent after a revised 0.8 percent drop in May.
Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast orders increasing 1.0 percent in June from May’s previously reported 0.6 percent fall.
“The number was weaker than expected and it could add to the idea that the economy is slipping into a double dip recession,” said Bruce Bittles, chief investment strategist at Robert W. Baird & Co. in Nashville.
Read the rest: Durable goods orders fall as growth picture dims
The Obama boom was a mirage and a lie. Like all myths, it crumbles in the face of reality. The economic policies of Barack Hussein Obama and his Progressive cohorts are failing and as recent polls suggest, Americans are no longer buying it.
In another sign of economic failure, General Motors which is owned by the Obama regime has introduced the Chevy Volt. This car was hyped as the savior of the American auto industry. The problem is that the asking price is pretty steep in a depressed economy. The starting price is $41,000! That’s right despite government subsidies and control, they still made a very expensive care. Nissan which is privately owned came out with its electric car with a more reasonable at $32,000. This is another example of government inefficiency reminiscent of the Yugo and Trabant.
Will these Progressives ever learn?
Update: The SEC is now saying that it is exempt from public disclosures in the new Financial regulation bill.
So much for transparency.
Under a little-noticed provision of the recently passed financial-reform legislation, the Securities and Exchange Commission no longer has to comply with virtually all requests for information releases from the public, including those filed under the Freedom of Information Act.
The law, signed last week by President Obama, exempts the SEC from disclosing records or information derived from “surveillance, risk assessments, or other regulatory and oversight activities.” Given that the SEC is a regulatory body, the provision covers almost every action by the agency, lawyers say. Congress and federal agencies can request information, but the public cannot.
That transparent Obama regime and it’s phony economic boom!
(Update Hat Tip: Huckfunn and M)
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Tags: Chevy Bolt, Durable Goods Orders, Obama Economic Boom, Progressive Propaganda, SEC
FIRST OF ALL…
GM is lying to the press about the Chevy Volt, and the idiots in the press are repeating the lie. The Volt is NOT an electric car, it’s a series hybrid. This actually makes it more valuable than a pure electric, but some marketing genius at GM decided that it would sell better if they called it an electric.
It’s. Not. The. Same. Thing. As. A. Nissan. Leaf.
Apropos the Arizona ruling:
Temporary Injunction
—to the tune of, and apologies to, the theme for “Petticoat Junction”
Come watch the Clinton judge turn the law to fudge with injunctions
(Temporary injunctions)
Forget the flood of illegals, just let ‘em through by injunction
(Temporary injunctions)
Lots of crime, you bet
Even more when you let the judge grant injunctions
(Temporary injunctions)
Democrats hope to bolster their amnesty plans by injunction
(Temporary injunctions)
They don’t care that local law enforcement doesn’t function
(Temporary injunctions)
And President Obama ignores his duty without compunction
(Temporary injunctions)
snork wrote:
Or a Tesla…
I just got a mailer from a local Ford dealer for twice book on my trade in with up to 12k off on a new F250.
That would put a fully equiped diesel right on ticket with the Obamamobile. I do need a new PU, but a battery powered Neuvolkswagen built like a beer cooler by brain dead union drones with 90 IQs…..uh..yeah…sure thing Joseph Bros Soetoro.
Hell, I could go out and buy a used Audi S4 and a motorcycle too for the same amount and really have fun.
Fucking retards
Modern Day Politicians = Ruinous Wankers
Yes, it’s more like the electric/diesel truck Oshkosh is building for the army. On Oshkosh’s truck, a diesel constantly running at the most fuel efficient rpm powers a generator which sends electricity to electric motors that power each wheel. A bank of ultracapacitors stores electricity for emergency acceleration power demands. It’s actually a quite clever system, as it is not only more efficient in terms of diesel fuel but also eliminates a lot conventional drive train components reducing vehicle weight.
The Volt works in a similar fashion, except that it uses batteries instead of ultracapacitors, and the engine is gasoline, not diesel. The other difference with the Volt, as I understand it is the gasoline engine only cuts in to power the generator and charge the batteries if the batteries are depleted.
waldensianspirit wrote:
Does the Volt have a Wanker rotary engine?
Scott Madsen wrote:
And just whose money do you think you would be using to do that Mr Smartypants? You will return that money you stole from the poor and oppressed of the world one way or another buddy boy, dont you go getting no foolish ideas that it’s yours or that you have any discretion on what gets done with it.
/s… Really?
@ doriangrey:
Yeah, I know that’s coming next. Wich is why I an spending it as fast as I can while it still has value.
@ The Osprey:
Those ultracaps are interesting. I’m sure they’re not cheap. Let’s see if they can figure out how to mass produce them at reasonable cost.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Isn’t that what powered Chuck’s bike?
Scott Madsen wrote:
It has been said that true courage is smiling and making fun of the things that scare one the most. It that is indeed true, then the Obamanation Administration probably has dozens of persecutors searching for something to lock me up for the rest of eternity.
snork wrote:
Heh, and double heh.
Oy. Chuck’s defending kiddie porn now…
OT (sorry ):
I wonder if this is common knowledge yet…..
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/146477/-Mosque-bomb-plot-police-open-fire-on-EDL-extremists/
And I wonder if the police then repaired his tires & windshield, and returned the computers & such…..
snork wrote:
And this comes as a surprise why?
@ snork:
OH MY LORD!
@ snork:
what!
@ doriangrey:
Because it’s CHILD PORNOGRAPHY in question. Even I didn’t think Charles had sunk… THAT low yet…
doriangrey wrote:
No, you got it wrong, it’s KITTY porn. Ice Weasel and Jimmah are well known for their postings of vids of copulating cats.
@ snork:
You’ve got to be
shittingkidding me…Just to make sure the economy is destroyed:
Ma Sands wrote:
They are starting the intimidation tactics against them. Hope they don’t fold. I expect obammy to start this soon – crowd control!
@ Iron Fist:
It’s all there on his dump and DoD. He’s bellyaching that a book was remove from a library with the stated reason that it contains kiddie porn, and he doesn’t dispute that it contained kiddie porn. Well you know, in court, if you don’t dispute what the other guy says…
Iron Fist wrote:
Nope, it’s all about this…
Anyone who didn’t see Chuck taking this stand either wasn’t paying attention to Charles or was deceiving themselves about what they were seeing in him. His response to California’s Prop 8 should have told you everything you needed to know to understand what he would think about this.
Remember Charles believes that homosexuality is a perfectly normal expression of human sexuality and that children need and deserve the information that will allow them to determine for themselves whether or not they are homosexual. In that world view it is completely necessary for children to read and view material which presents homosexuality in a positive and sexually arousing manner in order for a child to know if their sexual orientation is homosexual or not.
@ snork:
Wow, yeah. It’s the LGF Limbo! How low can they go…
@ doriangrey:
Oh jeebers, listen to the wiki page on the book:
Because the left-wing conservatives are cool with it.
@ vapig:
They can preempt the EDL, but need 1400 layers of proof to check out a mosque? Doesn’t make sense.
@ m:
Do you seriously believe the same thing wouldn’t happen here, given the leadership of DOJ?
[NSFW]I hear CJ also protested when they asked him to remove his bicycle seat when he once rode down to Orange County![NSFW]
@ lobo91:
I sure don’t actually.
Iron Fist wrote:
They hit bedrock and asked for dynamite…
@ Scott Madsen:
!
@ doriangrey:
It’s because he’s non-discriminatory now. You can’t discriminate against child molesters. That would be wrong.
doriangrey wrote:
Homosexual behavior is perfectly normal for some people—albeit a fairly small number—and acceptable to a larger number of people as what used to be referred to as “the second-best-bed” in certain situations.
However, the issue is not what is “perfectly normal”—morality exists as a way of modifying the “perfectly normal” and teaching that certain impulses, “perfectly normal” though they may be, are to be controlled, and expression of them repressed.
There is no contradiction in recognizing that homosexual behavior may simultaneously be “perfectly normal” and at the same time immoral, and in need of repression.
@ m:
WHoops NSFW or gentle ladies delete if needed
Tales from the Obama Boom: Durable Goods fall, Expensive Chevy Volt and SEC exempt from public disclosure!
what? the south eastern conference is exempt!
that has to be an ncaa violation.
@ doriangrey:
The word “Queer” in the title of the book tells you all you need to know about its educative intentions. Subversion through perversion.
snork wrote:
On a related note, that moron gus802 chimes in with the following:
Here’s the numbers gus, you fucking dolt-
And of course, 8 simpletons updinged the simpleton.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Only if you reject the concept of the Judeo-Christian god, otherwise no it is not ever a perfectly normal expression of human sexuality, it is what the word perversion was invented to describe.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Murder is a perfectly normal response to many situations, but we temper our perfectly normal response to fit within the bounds of acceptible behavior, do we not?
Overlook wrote:
17 and 26
What is an “adult book” ?
@ Bob in Breckenridge:
wow, they win all demographics.
thats a god sign
Beck says the Volt is 40k – 40mpg.
Another way that the big boys are already getting around ‘new’ financial regulations:
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2010/07/goldman-in-derivatives-central-better.html
@ buzzsawmonkey:
This seems to be the nub of the issue.
What those things are, neither side wants to go into detail about.
One thing that I think is beyond dispute is that in addition to being potentially kiddie pron, it’s also seditious. It’s very out-of-the-closet Marxist revolutionary drivel. No wonder Chuck’s panties are wrapped around his chin.
Of course, BP is taking a 10 BILLION dollar tax credit from the taxpayer.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bp-taking-10-billion-tax-credit-from-spill-2010-07-27
@ coldwarrior:
Its all there!
@ snork:
thats in mt holly? in NJ?
man that’s the same as cherry hill in demographics, if ya know what i mean.
Overlook wrote:
its like having the playbook for the 68 packers right in your hands.
Unity in Diversity = Unity through Perversity
It’s not all good, so keep it to yourself please and all will be well.
@ yenta-fada:
I’d like to see all the out-of-work oil workers sue BP for creating this opportunity for Zero to unemploy them. Yeah, I know…
Scott Madsen wrote:
its double plus un good
coldwarrior wrote:
What good does it do to have it though if all of your friends have been brainwashed into believing that it isnt real and can never happen here and besides those communist dudes really aren’t so bad anyways…
What is an “adult book” ? Is pornography obligatory for an adult book ?
doriangrey wrote:
no one could stop the 68 packer either.
doriangrey wrote:
Nonsense. If you believe this you have never read the Bible—or have done so ignorantly or with a bad translation.
As the Bobover Rebbe—a great Torah scholar—said to a friend of mine, “Moses didn’t have extra space.” In other words, there was no room when writing out the Ten Commandments and the rest of the laws of the Torah for forbidding people from doing things they would not be naturally tempted to do, or for ordering people to do things unless they would not do them naturally.
The prohibition against homosexual behavior in the Torah—behavior, because there is no concept of any “status” of “homosexuality” in the Torah—uses the term “toevah.” This term, usually translated as “abomination,” has a very specific meaning—and no, it is not “perversion.” It refers either to a forbidden religious practice, or to a religious practice mandated or permitted but done incorrectly. And, in context, the Levitical proscriptions are referring not to homosexual behavior generally, but to homosexual behavior done in the service of idol worship—something that was common among the cults of the Eastern Mediterranean 3500 years ago. This was expanded to include homosexual behavior generally during the culture war between the Jews and the Hellenizing influence of Greek civilization under the reign of Alexander and afterwards, since pederasty was a large part of that culture.
In short, the Torah recognizes homosexual behavior as “natural,” just as it recognizes the impulse to incest, in some people, as “natural”—and it forbids all of the various sexual variants it forbids not because they are “unnatural,” but because they are immoral. Morality is the imposition of will and free choice upon the natural impulse.
coldwarrior wrote:
For their 1963 season. Not gonna do much good now.
@ Guggi:
johnny got his gun
all’s quiet on the western front
@ snork:
Actually CJ hasn’t (yet) entered the fray, possibly because there is none:
webevintage has the second most incisive take on the banning, as dinged by 14 of his fellow lizards:
snork wrote:
its a metaphor…no one could stop the packers sweep play.
@ coldwarrior:
The in your face squares shit needs to stop, they need to crawl back into their dungeons and bathouses.
coldwarrior wrote:
Except with blacks. The fat ass pony-tailed douchebag had an entire thread dedicated to this-
To which I say who the hell cares how many black (or any other color) viewers FNC has?
Man, these libturds fucks like Chuckles are ob-fuckin-sessed with race.
coldwarrior wrote:
?????
Iron Fist wrote:
Of course; that is precisely my point. See my #58 above.
Again, morality is the imposition of will and free choice upon the “natural.” Morality is the restriction of what is “natural.”
snork wrote:
The things I’d like to see list increases daily. Obama (and Congress) just keep providing more material….
Guggi wrote:
Cock-a-Leekie Soup
Chevy Volt – $ 10,000 more than a Subaru Outback 2.5i Limited.
You gotta be shitting me…
snork wrote:
Anything with “Revolutionary,” “Queer,” “Multicultural” and “Youth” in its title is going to be a bundle of poisonous screeds.
Scott Madsen wrote:
i dont care what gays do, it doesn’t bother me, i am very libertarian.
there does not have to be marchers and such, that is the in your face
OT – Never thought I’d read this – not from a ‘political talk’ blog/site,its from youtube comment on some Enquirer type story/video (‘Orb’ abducts man in Russia). Probably written by a kid who isn’t old enough to get the irony:
4 months ago
“i know russian and she says that in the video cars stoped and people started running away from the shock. i believe this since its on news and some russian news isnt run by government like in u.s.
Ain’t it the sad truth.
@ coldwarrior:
Anything by Taylor Caldwell and other reactionary moralists
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Which is why the immoral are trying to erase free will.
Scott Madsen wrote:
Do we how how many billions of dollars have been provided for AIDS funding? The obsession with this disease is NOT about Africa.
Mike C. wrote:
It’s going to be the new Pious. It’s going to choke us with smug.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
orthodox christian seal of approval on that post.
@ Bob in Breckenridge:
so?
the blacks went 95% plus for 0, they marginalized themselves.
no reason to bother with them.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
THE VOICE OF GOD HAS SPOKEN ALL OTHER VOICES ARE FALSE GODS…
Guggi wrote:
they were banned books in america, hence ‘adult’.
both are excellent reads, really.
jonnny got his gun still messes with my mind on occasion.
snork wrote:
Yes, indeed. That’s one of the reasons that genes that supposedly “control” this or that behavior are always so breathlessly reported, usually with a weak disclaimer at the end of the article—a sop to the ever-weakening concept of free will—that of course this only means one has a tendency to this or that.
@ coldwarrior:
My point too.
I as a heterosexual would never go around telling everyone about the trunk load of sextoys I own, and the bi-weekly orgies at the Shriners Temple either, and expect them to marvel and high five me, and give me my own ethnic group by wich I could extort extra rights over my more sedate and conventional heterosexuals.
@ snork:
As long as they don’t try to teach my kids that it’s “normal”. If I were ‘gay’ myself I wouldn’t try to sell it as ‘normal’, ’cause it ain’t. I’m not homophobic but I do hate BS.
@ doriangrey:
…and your point?
coldwarrior wrote:
I’m curious as to what percentage of the audience is black at CNN or MSNBC, too.
It’s probably not that different from FNC’s.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Once a behaviour is immoral, isn’t it also a perversion. The normative necessarily outlaws the immoral.
snork wrote:
Very witty!
coldwarrior wrote:
More to the point. It’s their choice, not Fox’s. They also complain about how white Republican functions are, but there’s no bouncer keeping anybody out. It’s chutzpah for a race to boycott an institution, and then bitch about the institution not having any of them.
If somebody tries to prevent you from entering, I want to know about it. If that isn’t happening, you don’t have standing to bitch.
yenta-fada wrote:
You didn’t see the South Park episode?
@ buzzsawmonkey:
They really want to be careful about finding a genetic disposition to homosexuality. They may be all excited to selectively abort all the Trig Palins of the world, but I doubt the hard-Left would approve at all if people started aborting the Elton Johns because daddy wants a straight strapping baby boy…
5…4…3…2…1
its my birthday.
the bar is open!
coldwarrior wrote:
happy birthday!
Overlook wrote:
So, what used to be immoral is ‘normal’ thereby increasing the perception that certain groups are above the law?
Overlook wrote:
I think not. In the same Levitical section, the term “perversion” is used to describe bestiality. The term is not used elsewhere. Thus, “immoral” is merely immoral—which is quite enough. No need to imitate “hate crimes” laws and go for the “value-added” there.
coldwarrior wrote:
Happy Birthday!
@ coldwarrior:
I don’t know “Jonny got his Gun” but of course I know Erich Maria Remarques great novel “Im Westen nichts Neues”.
lobo91 wrote:
hooray!
pls send a message to your rockies to be kind to the poor pirates. the loosing in 18 years now.
@ coldwarrior:
Happy Birthday Yinzer!!!!! I’ll have a kamikaze please…..blue
4_Sticks wrote:
One. More. Thing.
“Normal” has a definition. Look it up in the dictionary. It’s a mathematical term. It refers to where the mean, mode, and median of a Gaussian distribution all line up. You can’t redefine anything as normal if it isn’t. You can say it’s functional (or “ok”), but you can’t say it’s normal.
Whether it’s “ok” is another issue entirely. But if it’s not normal, no amount of jawboning can make it normal.
Guggi wrote:
do yourself a huge favor and read it.
really…money back guarantee.
snork wrote:
Nope. Don’t watch it, although I appreciate that they are quite funny.
yenta-fada wrote:
hooray!
martinis all round
Iron Fist wrote:
And you know Daddy Achmed will do that. And so will Mommy Aisha.
NoThreat2U wrote:
double! and a boiler maker!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Could my point have possible been any clearer? Yes Buzz, we know that on all matters of ancient Jewish lore the old Jewish Rabbi’s are always right.
coldwarrior wrote:
Happy Birthday, CW! {hugs}
Iron Fist wrote:
I’ve noticed that they’re trying to walk a very narrow line carefully here; they want a “gay gene” to prove that homosexual behavior is natural, but they don’t want it to be too certain lest, as you say, selective abortions on the basis of “gay genes” occur.
It gets really messy when you try and use science as a substitute for morality, as most of us refugees from the domain of the Mad King are well aware.
doriangrey wrote:
they had better be!
doriangrey wrote:
While you’re being snotty, I will observe that the Sages knew a hell of a lot more about what the Torah means than you do.
@ yenta-fada:
I was merely suggesting that the distinction between perverted and immoral is without a difference. Judaism, Buzz says, does not condemn homosexual behavior because it is perverted (unnatural) but because it is against the law (immoral).
vapig wrote:
hooray!
1800 ™ tequila margaritas are on the bar
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Careful, or he’ll throw a brink at you…
coldwarrior wrote:
Happy Birthday, coldwarrior !
@ coldwarrior:
They seem to have gotten that message already.
I can’t believe the nosedive they’re in since the All-Star break. They’ve lost 10 of the 12 games they’ve played since then.
@ snork:
A lot of people would. Enough that if homosexuality is genetic (I tend to suspect that it is for males at least), they would become very rare in the Western World if an invitro test could weed them out.
@ coldwarrior:
Zum Gebertstag viel gluck
lobo91 wrote:
please, really.
dont speak of losing and baseball to me. i’m serious.
@ snork:
The Jazz Mna is a sick man. He supports Porn for kids.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
What ever you say Buzz…
@ coldwarrior:
Sounds yummy. I am feeling really good today. I just wanna relax and lurk. I sure could use a cold refreshing adult beverage
@ Guggi:
did we have to pay ascap for that?
snork wrote:
I never waste a good brink on folks like Buzz, it’s like trying to teach a pig to sing…
doriangrey wrote:
be nice, for 15 minutes, just try it.
sam adams on the bar for u —>
Overlook wrote:
The distinction certainly tends to get lost these days, largely because even many people of religious bent, who should know better, have forsaken the Biblical view of homosexual behavior as a behavior, and adopted, almost without knowing it, the modern pseudoscientific view of “homosexuality” as a “status,” separate and distinct from “heterosexuality.”
This bit of pseudoscience, however, has no basis in fact. It’s a survival from the era when people believed in “ether,” in phrenology, and in eugenics as cutting-edge science.
coldwarrior wrote:
No, ya have to pay Buzz…
doriangrey wrote:
i’m sorry, that was way out of bounds there.
Scott Madsen wrote:
geberstag vodka!
Iron Fist wrote:
And you know what that would lead to: A law banning abortions based on the outcome of that test.
@ Iron Fist:
I am not so sure about that. The Western world is failing to reproduce. Whatever is impelling the failure to have children may also be encouraging non-procreative homosexuality.
@ coldwarrior:
Is that the Polish stuff from Danzig with the buffalo grass straw in it?
coldwarrior wrote:
@ lobo91:
Quite possibly. It would be amusing to watch the cat among the birds, as it were, as the Left tried to decide what they would consider (not moral, because they are against morals) acceptible there. It’d be putting their two favorite fighters in the cage for a deathmatch. Either way, they lose…
Scott Madsen wrote:
thats graskovskova.
today is sam smith ipa and titos!
PIMF Geburtstag
Two years high school two in college but plaease don’t ask me to speak or remember how to pronounce/spell correctly!
@ coldwarrior:
Good stuff, I put down a bunch with some Finns
Pamela Geller on Hannity radio show right now abt AZ. injunction.
cluckie’s head exploding
In a related story:
@ doriangrey:
Dude seriously, chill with that.
Scott Madsen wrote:
Oachkatzlschwoaf
@ Overlook:
That is possible, I guess. Also, the fact that society no longer condemns homosexuality to the degree that it used to (to the point that in some circles it is positively encouraged) may be changing things. But I think that it is inescapably proven that heterosexuality is the norm, and that imperitive is almost certainly genetic. Most men would not choose to be gay under any circumstance, prison rape notwithstanding (still a minority, even in lockup). They aren’t capable of making that choice. So it is logical to conclude that for those who are homosexual it is not entirely a choice either.
coldwarrior wrote:
I agree. That was my point- Who the hell cares?
The new Duquesne Brewery in Latrobe just bottled and shipped their first batch of Pilsner last week. It’s supposed to hit master distributors Monday. They’re calling it the Queen or King of pilsners. It has my interest
@ Scott Madsen:
@ chickadee:
much of that consumed by us….it was the cheap in berlin
@ lobo91:
Yeah, I saw that. It will be interesting to see what happens with that in the appellate courts. I thought discrimination was illegal…
lobo91 wrote:
Yet another Clinton appointee.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
True. Status as identity, identity as politics, politics as revolution are Marxist concepts.
Why does Judaism see homosexuality as immoral? (Why does the gratification of that desire have to be controlled?)
@ lobo91:
Actually, in the original story at WeaselZippers it did not say that she had “refused to counsel” anyone; merely that the university would not permit her to stay in the program when her beliefs became known.
People may find the related comments interesting.
@ Scott Madsen:
Queen or King? It can’t make up its mind? A transsexual beer?
coldwarrior wrote:
Why? Throwing a Brink is admitting that humor is present and can be appreciated between the individuals involved. Buzz’s position is utterly and completely intractable, you either accept his version or you are stupid and ignorant. Forget that the entire reason that Christianity exists is that a group of individuals totally disagreed with his great sages. Forget that Jesus Christ and Saul of Tarsus stated as their belief that the Jewish Rabbi’s had gone astray.
The second anyone says, no you are ignorant and dont know anything the discussion is over. Where is the room for any humor? Buzz has come out with a assertion that any opinion other than the ancient Rabbi’s is ignorant and stupid, how insulting can you get? Yes it would be easier to teach a pig to sing then to discuss this with Buzz.
I dont want to insult Buzz, but I dont think his arrogant condensed and insulting attitude should go unchallenged either.
Scott Madsen wrote:
penn brewery. there is no other for pils
@ Guggi:
Wow, ok then…a little more difficult than der, die, oder das
doriangrey wrote:
its called religion.
challenge all you like, try not to be an ass about it.
perhaps ask some questions, point out problems of faith.
@ coldwarrior:
I drink it at the Pirate (whoops!) baseball games.
The best choice at the stadium
@ Iron Fist:
And in a similar case in Georgia:
Reeducation camp, anyone?
@ Iron Fist:
Well it is a lawyer who restarted the brand!
@ coldwarrior:
Happy Birthday to you ! Hooraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy !!
Scott Madsen wrote:
see, in my mind, as a yinzer, that sentence is just wrong
@ coldwarrior
Goodly wishes for this next year of your life, from me, too. Glad you got born. : )
snork wrote:
The wife’s Outback can probably just run over it.
4_Sticks wrote:
hoooray!
2006 clos du val cab on the bar
<——
Ma Sands wrote:
thanks.
tryning to do good!
clos on the bar too
<—–
@ Scott Madsen:
Mike C. wrote:
the durango st 5.9 v the lo volt….
hmmmm….
@ coldwarrior:
The guy who is behind this is a lawyer fron Upper St. Clair that worked in the brewery as a younger man. It was in the Trib recently. I’l run it down.
Was this ime of the lawrenceville brands?
coldwarrior wrote:
Oh and happy birthday ya old coote… <— passes CW a double of Makers Mark…
Guggi wrote:
low german
doriangrey wrote:
wow, cheers!
that is some bourbon that i can drink straight.
Scott Madsen wrote:
it was.
o and e / duqusne
the brewing history of pgh is fascinating.
CW
Trib article on Latrobe venture:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s_692103.html
Scott Madsen wrote:
soon its:
ft pitt, that’s it!
@ Iron Fist:
Cultural norms may enhance or inhibit the genetic need to reproduce and create an environment in which children are brought to maturity safely to reproduce in turn.
My view is that the (Western) culture is stifling the impulse to produce offspring to continue the genes. There might in fact be a physical sign of this in decreased sperm counts and increasing infertility.
Interestingly, Islamic culture within the West (Britain) is producing increasing numbers of congenital idiocy and other handicaps due to in-breeding.
Overlook wrote:
Well, concentrating on homosexual desire kind of misses the point; the Bible condemns all sex outside of marriage as immoral, and forbids certain marriages on the basis of consanguinity or close relationship (e.g., forbidding someone to marry his wife’s sister, either as a second wife [back when polygamy was still practiced] or as a widower). Forbidding homosexual sex is merely an extension of this, denying the opportunity to do an end run around the prohibitions applied to sex with women by getting it on with the guys—as, apparently, is still a common practice in the Islamic world.
There are, I suspect, several reasons for this. The most obvious is the one I mentioned above; forbidding people from engaging in a practice that was a common feature of idolatrous worship in order to prevent them from engaging in such worship. But there are, I think, other reasons as well. By forbidding the orgiastic practices and the temple-prostitution practices which were a feature of most religions in the ancient world, the laws of the Bible make the family and the marital bed the center of holiness. This was not the case in religions where one could couple with a temple prostitute as an act of worship; that took whatever “sacredness” the sexual act was viewed as having out of the home and put it in the temple. The Biblical laws are designed to make the marital bond and the marital sexual act the focus of holiness, not the sexual act itself outside of the home. This was a revolution at the time—and, seeing how much this concept is under attack today, it remains revolutionary still.
Furthermore, one might point out that homosexual activity among men encourages promiscuity by offering gratification without consequence, i.e., no danger of pregnancy and no risk of being hunted down by someone’s clan for spoiling someone’s virginity. The opportunity for wham-bam-thankyou-man, pleasurable as one must assume it to be for the practitioners, devalues the sex act by the ready availability of quickie gratification—which, again, undermines the sacredness of sex centered in home and marriage.
coldwarrior wrote:
If you have a whiskey you can’t drink straight, what you have is a bottle of toilet bowl cleaner.
The only socially redeemable product of the Obama regime has been the multitude of maggots*, rats* and roaches* exposing themselves to the light of day for all to see.
* aka, Communists, Socialists and Progressive/Statists.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
That is an awesome piece of writing, buzz!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Might not the “sacredness” of home, marriage and monogamy be centred on procreation? What life is all about?
@ coldwarrior:
I have seen a few faded beer adverts painted on the sides of brick buildings around town of brands I have never heard off. I saw a list once of the historical brands and was staggered.
I believe there is a Fort Pitt one on a building that houses a stained glass studio along W. Carson between the West End and Fort Pitt bridges
Scott Madsen wrote:
called my dad on that, he wants 2 cases this weekend.
its the beer from his youngins dayz
@ coldwarrior:
Southern Germany
– you know the ones with the Wolpertingers
Mike C. wrote:
21 yr old the balvenie.
soon to be in hand
Guggi wrote:
i had to take german at pitt after the army…
i was accused of having a berlin accent.
it was hysterical.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
So there are anthropological supports for the vearcity of revealed religions admonishments towards the advancement of civil societies.
Wow, could it be that science and religion are after all of the bitching and moaning, not in conflict?
Whodathunkit!
Ma Sands wrote:
Give him a brink, since Dorian won’t.
Overlook wrote:
Of course. But it was not thus in the ancient world, as it is not thus today. Today, promiscuity for pleasure is exalted; in the ancient world, one could go into a temple and make the two-backed beast with a temple prostitute as an act of worship, outside the home. The sex act itself was sacred, independent of marriage and procreation, as our modern-day pagans wish to see again.
BTW, in Deuteronomy there is a specific prohibition against temple prostitution; the line usually translated, “There shall be no harlots of the daughters of Israel, and no sodomites of the sons of Israel” uses the words “kadesha” and “kadesh,” in both cases derived from the Hebrew word “kadosh,” which means “holy.” It is a prohibition against taking work as a temple prostitute, as distinct from commercial prostitution.
Scott Madsen wrote:
the brew history is staggering here.
@ coldwarrior:
I’m looking for it tomorrow to throw down with my brother this weekend before the Nugent concert
Happy birthday, Coldwarrior!
@ coldwarrior:
I’ve always wondered….was our bowling alley brewery really a brewery? What did they make there?
@ coldwarrior:
I bet you had a Berlin accent
– Berliner Schnauze 
NoThreat2U wrote:
Hard liquor? Black and round…
RE: Male, Female, Marriage and Sex
In addition to the biblical principles, that I personally accept, there are common sense advantages to NORMALCY.
Fidelity yields good health (no STDs), All children know who their father and mother are. The is no competition for sexual performance inside the marriage. Each family creates its own sense of belonging, purpose and security.
@ snork:
Yep. I wasn’t real comfortable talking to my boys about this subject but it became necessary the day they came home from the park saying some kid was going to beat up another because he was ‘gay’.
but I’m proud to say my boys have never gone around beating or ridiculing other kids because they were ‘suspected’/accused or claimed to be gay.No matter how they try to sell it, the one thing I’m sure of is ‘it ain’t normal’ – which means that even if I were ‘gay’ I wouldn’t try to convince another that it is.
First I made clear that they do not, under any circumstances, go around beating up or even bothering a kid because he/she whatever is ‘gay’.That was the easy part. I did come up with a creative way to teach them my views on the subject though. Since we were in the kitchen and I was making us some lunch, I decided to try plugging in the toaster to the coffee grinder plug – all the while I kept on talking about minding ones business, leaving others alone etc.
They saw my frustration trying to get the 2 identical ‘male’ ends to ‘fit’ and my youngest who now has a grin on his face interrupts and says “Dad, what the heck are you trying to do ?”. They still hadn’t caught on yet so I says “You said you wanted it on toast, right ? I’m plugging in the toaster !”. He of course says ‘why aren’t you plugging it into the wall outlet ?”. I says “Oh ? Is it made to work that way ?” and slide the male end into the female receptacle. Then “ya get it ??’. It took a second or two but they bust out laughing and I says “Bottom line, this is how its made to work. If I insisted that the other way was correct you’d think I was BS’ing you, right ?”.
I told them never to accept that homosexual sex is ‘normal’ – ever and they could use the same example should a teacher, friends – whoever, tried to convince them otherwise.
The ‘plug’ logic is absolutely appropriate, you can not argue it. Morality, the Bible, The Torah or sex for procreation or pleasure etc., etc. are different matters altogether and it can get complicated – and yes, many heterosexuals practice same, that isn’t the point. My final words to my boys on this matter was “The rectum was not ‘set up’ for sex. The vagina is”. Then I got the hell off the topic as quick as I could and returned to eating lunch. As they grew older we’ve talked about the more challenging questions of the day and it still doesn’t get any easier
@ Piglet-U93:
My biggest issue is that once its become accepted as ‘normal’ then teens
! Know what I mean ??
going through their first sexual encounters may find themselves in a position where they question whether they themselves are ‘normal’ because they aren’t aroused by another of the same sex. Its a logical step once deemed ‘normal’ that a hetro kid is going to think theres something ‘not right’ about them self and that there ain’t right I don’t care what ya say
NoThreat2U wrote:
it was.
i’ve been in it.
Back in the 80′s I had a boss who was ‘gay’.This was when ‘outing’ was in vogue. He hated they idea – felt his sex life was a personal matter and thought anyone who discussed there sex life at work was ‘out of line’.He was the first ‘gay’ person I’d ever shared my thoughts on the matter with as far as the ‘normal’ thing goes and he agreed, said he fully realized that others are put off on the idea of 2 people of the same sex having sex. He was very practical about he whole thing – said the only reason why people were up in arms about the subject is because
‘these young a**holes (he was in his 60′s) are out there in every bodies face about it and they are causing more harm than good – its no one elses business what I do at home and I don’t make it their business either – I don’t want to know what they do in their bedroom” etc. Worked for me !
@ 4_Sticks:
I don’t watch much tv but now the shows for younger audiences have the gay or bi characters in the school also. I never saw that growing up. But now it seems as if they are trying to portray it as normal.
Why is someone’s public persona now supposed to revolve around what is essentially a private matter to begin with?
Guggi wrote:
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chuuse!
Suppose I like threesomes. Does everybody have to know that? Do they have to have threesomers on tv shows now? Don’t threesomers have a right to marry like anyone else? Suppose someone doesn’t hire me because I’m a threesomer? Isn’t that discrimination?
mjazz wrote:
You should move to Los Angeles. The Los Angeles Threeway is famous.
/oh, wait…
@ mjazz:
“They” are not gonna quit until you and I accept ‘them’ as normal.
BTW, not every ‘gay’ person feels this way. Kids are gonna get involved with things – check that… kids are getting involved with things that they never would have if it weren’t portrayed as ‘normal’ – they are gonna think theres something wrong with themselves because they’re not ‘aroused’ by someone of the same sex. Thats so freakin’ wrong it makes me wanna scream ! ts the new teen ‘rebellion’. Most TV today is ‘sex’ obsessed. My fathers generation would never have tolerated the sh*t they show. EVERYTHING revolves around sex.And they keep pushin’ the boundaries – almost everything is acceptable on TV these days and theres gonna be one twisted generation f kids running around out there. Like ‘drugs’ were the regret of my generation, they’re gonna have to deal with their actions some day. I watched a few shows on the Comedy (Porn) Channel recently and couldn’t help think about the younger ‘ladies’ I saw in the audience of a few of the ‘stand up’ (comedy) shows. I wondered about there male ‘dates’ who brought them to these shows. I was about as wild as they come back when I was young but I would never subject my girlfriend to such trash – never.I watched their faces wonderin’ if anyone had obvious signs of squirming in their seats – not a one. How are these young ladies allowing themselves to sit through this stuff ? I mean they were telling jokes that, if I ever repeated at all, would only have been shared with my buddies and any/every female I knew would have smacked me upside the head for talking like this in their presence. And I can guaren-damn-tee you they wouldn’t have talked to me again !
I listened to Betty White and Cloris Leechman (sp ?) make absolute pigs of themselves on one of the ‘Comedy Roasts’. I’ll never think the same way about them again.
mjazz wrote:
Are you making an arguement or stating a preference?
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I suppose that I am trying to get at the fact that the sex act is “sacred” in Judaism because of procreation. That procreation gives the sex act its meaning and hence its holiness (whether or not it results in offspring).
Orgiastic ritual during pagan rites, like human sacrifice, was for the purpose of increasing fertility or ensuring the cycle-of-life. The “sacredness” of the act was the sympathetic magic which communicated the need for rebirth to the spirits.
It would make sense for monotheism to make immoral orgiastic rites and sex outside marriage because it would deny that the act itself had any general magical function, but does have a purpose when it is dedicated to specific procreation of children bearing the name of the father. The distinction between sacred orgiastic sex (immoral) and sacred marital sex (moral) would have to lie in interpretations of the sex act and what it is for: sending messages to gods, or making children to obey God’s laws.
@ mjazz:
Yes, your people the trivertebratesexuals have human rights too.
I call on the Beasts with Three Backs to join the struggle and stand firm and proud with all sexual ethnicities in the ongoing march towards liberation.
@ Overlook:
Nicely put.
snork wrote:
That would be flatus.