As Miss Glick writes, the main characteristics of the ruling classes in both America and Israel are an “inexhaustible contempt for the majority of their countrymen who are not part of their clique. ” Check out what Progressive George H.W. Bush told Mikhail Gorbachev about Ronald Reagan. She mentions how no matter who is president, the odious likes of Zbigniew Brzezinski, Brent Scowcroft, Lee Hamilton, and James W. Baker will always be around, sort of like Iago constantly whispering into Othello’s ear.
by Caroline Glick
In a much discussed article in the current issue of the American Spectator titled “America’s Ruling Class,” Prof. Angelo Codevilla describes the divide between those who run the US – the politicians, bureaucrats and policy establishment – and the rest of the country.He laments, “Never has there been so little diversity within America’s upper crust.”In his view, the American ruling class “was formed by an educational system that exposed them to the same ideas and gave them remarkably uniform guidance, as well as tastes and habits. These amount to a social canon of judgments about good and evil, complete with secular sacred history, sins (against minorities and the environment), and saints. Using the right words and avoiding the wrong ones when referring to such matters — speaking the ‘in’ language — serves as a badge of identity.”The main unifying characteristic of the American “ruling class” as Codevilla describes it is inexhaustible contempt for the majority of their countrymen who are not part of their clique. In his words, “our ruling class does not like the rest of America. Most of all does it dislikes that so many Americans think America is substantially different from the rest of the world and like it that way.”Codevilla’s article focuses on US domestic policy. He accuses the ruling class of purposely spending the US into insolvency. He claims that their goal is to aggregate power. The more Americans depend on governmental largesse for their livelihoods, the greater the power of the government to dictate norms of social and political behavior and the greater the governing class’s hold on power.Codevilla claimsthat the Republicans are the permanent minority in the ruling class which is naturally aligned with the Democrats. When they are in power, the Republicans, he claims repress populist and conservative voices within their ranks calling for small government and do so to maintain their good relations with their colleagues in Democratic ruling circles. His prime example of a ruling class Republican is the first president George Bush.Codevilla quotes former Soviet ruler Mikhail Gorbachev’s retelling of a conversation he reportedly had with the vice president Bush about then president Ronald Reagan. Gorbachev claimed that Bush told him not to take Reagan seriously because, “Reagan is a conservative, an extreme conservative. All the dummies and blockheads are with him.”[....]A prime example of this is US Middle East policy. Regardless of its repeated failure over the course of four decades, since 1970, and with ever-increasing urgency since 1988, the consensus view of the US foreign policy elite has been that Israel’s size is the cause of violence and instability in the Middle East. If Israel would just contract into the indefensible 1949 armistice lines, everything would be wonderful. The so-called “extremists” in the Arab and Islamic worlds will become moderates. Iran, Syria, the Saudis, the Palestinians, al Qaida, Hizbullah and the rest would abandon terror and beat their suicide belts and ballistic missiles into ploughshares.An outstanding example of this sort of cross-partisan nonsense was the 2006 bipartisan Iraq Study Group’s recommendations to then president George W. Bush. The war in Iraq was going nowhere and the considered view of esteemed Republican and Democratic policy hands was to stick it to Israel.In the considered view of these wise men, for the US to emerge from Iraq with honor, it didn’t actually have to defeat its enemies. Instead, according to Republicans like James Baker and Brent Scowcroft and Democrats like Lee Hamilton and Zbigniew Brzezinski all Bush needed to do was force Israel to cough up the Golan Heights, Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem. Then al Qaida in Iraq, the Shiite militias and all the rest would shrivel up or – at a minimum – allow the US to withdraw its military forces from the country without being humiliated.The likes of Baker, Scowcroft, Brzezinski and Hamilton and their students comprise a permanent Middle East policy ruling class that endures regardless of who is in power and what their actual views about Middle Eastern realities happen to be.But they couldn’t survive if they didn’t receive help from Israel. Given that most Americans support a strong Israel and view Israel as a vital US ally in the Middle East, they would be hard-pressed to maintain their failed and unpopular policies if they weren’t amply assisted by their counterparts in the Israeli ruling class.
Readthe rest: Israel’s ruling class
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Odious traitors, all.
Gee, and I was thinking of taking ruling classes this summer, too.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
They said bring your “ruler” to class!
A one termer’s opinion ‘ay!
/We’re gonna have to listen to one termer Obama for a long, long time. There’ll be the Obama Center continuing his anti-American agenda.
““inexhaustible contempt for the majority of their countrymen who are not part of their clique. ”
This also applies to the commies running the US Government in this regime
waldensianspirit wrote:
Maybe he can rent out the basement in the Carter Center?
When I stayed in a Zimmer in the Galilee, I got an earful from Benny, a 50-something secular Zionist who owned the place, about “the center 1/3 of the country” (i.e. Tel-Aviv and burbs). They have the exact same social dynamics going on, and Glick is completely right about the loyalties of their elites. They’re not Zionists, they probably don’t even think of themselves as Israelis.
Operators of tours to the Holy Land are defending their services, yet proceeding with caution, in response to reports that one of the holiest sites in Christendom may pose serious health concerns.
I’ll be reral honest, from the Golan down to into the Sea of Galilee I go swimming. South of the Galilee, not so much
@ Nevergiveup:
Dead Sea is safe; no bugs can live in that brine.
The whole Ha’aretz crowd needs to be suppressed.
Now, for another opinion, we can consult Ludwig E. Coyote, who says that all this populism is embryonic Nazism, and we should just learn to admire our betters.
I’m going to venture a guess that Caroline Glick is no longer loved over at the Swamp. They love their Ruling Class, and want them to rule over them. A slave that licks the hand that beats them. I have nothing but unutterable contempt for such vermin.
I’m craving cake.
OT but not really…
French Jews reclaim ‘Jewish’ names
French Jews say au revoir to Paris; prepare for Aliya
Note the disbelief from the writer here:
Duh huh.
snork wrote:
Yeah but that’s not what I meant. I meant in the Jordan River in Central Israel
Here we go folks. Time for a contingency plan.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/28/AR2010072806141.html
Nevergiveup wrote:
I’d bet money that there’s a large element of “those eeeeeeeeeeeevil Israelis are polluting the Jordan, which is why we support the sweet, indigenous, close-to-the Earth Arabs” behind these claims.
@ m:
They are going to have to fight somewhere. Israel probably offers the better ground to fight on. There they’ll have to fight the Mohammedan Horde, but they won’t have to deal with the Vichy Government at the same time…
Maybe this will work?
waldensianspirit wrote:
Yup he will be a spokesman for how evil America is.
“Master of all I survey”
/Middle Class Man
Iron Fist wrote:
I think that Latma vid did that. Somebody over there was having a purple cow about that.
bellamags wrote:
I got no problem with that.
@ Nevergiveup:
I know what you mean.
Plenty of nice swimmin holes beyond and above Banias. I know of several with good cliff dives. Wadi Yehudiyyah is supreme.
That place at the south end of the Kinneret where they Baptize Christians is gross.
@ snork:
I’ve never seen a purple cow
I never hope to see one…
@ Nevergiveup:
With my link or what it contained?
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
The specific claim is fecal coliform bacteria; IOW untreated sewage. If there is a FC problem, it’s not coming from the Israelis.
@ Scott Madsen:
Golan escarpment behind me in my avatar standing on the rim of the afore mentioned wadi.
@ Iron Fist:
Ahmadinejad is buying his hordes!
bellamags wrote:
Both.
@ waldensianspirit:
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Dinner-jacket is taking a play from the Democrats book. Get the dependant classes reproducing faster so that they are even more dependant on the State. Of course, Iran may need these kids. They may have miinefields to clear in the forseeable future…
Pampered Populists
/Victor Davis Hanson
Excerpt:
Scott Madsen wrote:
The river’s not very wide or fast to begin with. A failed septic system could be a problem, but you could get a problem in that spot just from all those bodies. India has a similar situation, with a certain river that Hindus are supposed to swim in. The Brahmaputrid, I think?
hmm…I don’t want the gubmint lookin at my stuff. and then, where does it stop?
Information sharing is their greatest enemy, for example this blog is filled with enlightenment and we (most of us) are sharing it every day.
I gotta run… see ya’ll later
snork wrote:
And there are certain creeks in and around Tel Aviv I would not recommend getting wet in
@ bellamags:
I’m going to take a pass on that one until the Reason crowd dissects it. Call me paranoid, but I don’t think there’s much of anything that this bunch does that is what it’s sold as.
@ bellamags:
The link works fine.
I have some misgivings about that plan, though.
The intent was to streamline procedures for gaining access to time-sensitive information in terrorism/national security cases. It was supposed to be used in extraordinary circumstances.
That doesn’t sound like it was the case, though, even during the Bush administration:
There’s too much potential for abuse, and not enough oversight, in my opinion, especially when you factor in the current administration and its record of demonizing its political opponents.
@ BuddyG:
petit nouveau riche trash he and the wookie be.
Their slip is showing, his betters are discrete and know how to pull off condescension without barring their ass.
Nevergiveup wrote:
I’d go in them long before I’d go in the Barada river passing right through downtown Damascus. zO.M.G. the stench.
@ Nevergiveup:
The river that flows past Nesher into the Haifa harbour looks like the Cuyayoga in the sixties. Purply yellowy kinda green in ’94
@ snork:
pick your poison, industrial effluvent or human.
One is the sign of an advance siciety.
@ lobo91:
And on that point.
Scott Madsen wrote:
Most of your Democrats grew up eating, breathing, and shitting condescension for the Untermenchen. From their
Mother’sGoverness’ knee they learned it. Obama is just a white-trash bastard stepson. You can’t expect him to have all the social graces…Where did everyone go??? So, anybody wanna hear about my big bro’s new Harley??
@ NoThreat2U:
Sure, what’d he get?
@ Iron Fist:
My brother-in-law is a wealthy self-righteous moonbat who stopped debating me after I thrashed him in a couple of political discussions. Oh the looks on his face when I’d refute his BS with facts. Now he goes around saying my views are “extreme”.
Iron Fist wrote:
Actually, the ruling class ones, yes. The
rubesrank-and-file activist types like the lunatics at LGF are wannabies/groupies. They just want to think of themselves as part of the “in” crowd, even though if asswhistle or Ludwig or Killgore ever got within 100 feet of Obama, they’d haul them away in a straitjacket.@ Iron Fist:
Dude this thing is SWEET! Harley softail…chromed to the max. In fac t, he gave me hell for fingering all the chrome. He said he could tell I was a biker bitch from the way I ran my hands all over the chrome. lol lol lol He was shocked that my mother (who is 71) got all goggly eyed when he took her for a ride. It is pearl white with purple flecks that change color as the light changed. 22k for it! Wanna see pix??
snork wrote:
They are the dingleberries on the ass-hairs of a dog.
Well, Lord Have Mercy™. They’re trashing Miss Lindsey Graham at the zoo.
@ NoThreat2U:
Just as long as it doesn’t has a Charles Johnson Reciprocating Richard™ seat…
@ NoThreat2U:
Sure! Chrome won’t get you home, but it will get you laid! Heh™
@ BuddyG:
VDH never fails to dissapoint.
snork wrote:
Did hell freeze over?
Iron Fist wrote:
You ventured a correct guess. Krauthammer, Mark Steyn, Victor Davis Hansen and Caroline Glick are now non-persons over at the fetid swamp.
@ snork:
Hook the ricprocating seat to the Open Primary, and go! Bet it’d even have a suicide shifter…
Rodan wrote:
They are trashing Miss Lindsey because he is not left-wing enough for them.
@ Speranza:
Mao Tse Tung isn’t Left-wing enough for them…
@ Iron Fist:
Heh, Nancy be airtight then!
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Iron Fist wrote:
It is a collective nervous break down over there.
Iron Fist wrote:
Just hook the Chuck Johnson Fool Injection system up, and crank that shaft!
Is it really that wrong to want clarification on the 14th amendment?
U.S. ‘encouraged’ by Arab support for direct Israeli-Palestinian talks
You would think they guys in charge of our government never ran anything in their lives? Oh yeah, they haven’t.
@ NoThreat2U:
The 14th Amendment is written in English, by essentially contemporary Americans. It isn’t like it is in ancient Greek. The only people who have trouble with it are people who don’t like what it says. That is why you had a lot of resistance to it from the Supreme Court right after the Civil War. They weren’t mystified about what was intended, and if they had been, they could have asked the authors. No, they had problems with freed slaves having the same rights and privileges as white people. If you want to see a good dissection of it as it relates to the Second Amendment, read Clarence Thomas’ concurring opinion in McDonald. Thomas had the right of it, but even today the Supreme Court is hesitant to put the brakes on the power of Government the way that it was intended they be applied.
The End of (Military) History? The United States, Israel, and the Failure of the Western Way of War
NoThreat2U wrote:
Note the essence of the Chuckleberry argument: It’s a fringe idea.
Says who?
Iron Fist wrote:
That was the “negative rights” thingy that Obama was yoching about. It’s pretty clear that the intent of the Constitution, and specifically the Bill of Rights, was “government shall NOT”, and they want to turn it into “government shall”.
@ Guggi:
He is thinking to limitedly. The problem is that after WWII we have fought limkited wars. This mean we win limited victories, if we win any victory at all. The enemy, in turn, is not thoroughly and completely defeated and/or destroyed. Instead, they enemy is hurt to some degree (as we have hurt both al Qaeda and the Taliban), but survives to regroup and regrow. This may take a short time or a long time, but it is inherrent in fighting a limited war.
The path to victory lies in destroying our enemy by whatever means necessary. Sherman’s march through Georgia is emblematic of this. We have to destroy our enemy’s will to fight, to make war terrible to them, to give them their fill of it, and then some. In other words, the real right answer to this guy’s question is the exact opposite of what he perscribes. Instead of even further limiting our options, we have to expand them, and set our goals to that which is necessary for true success.
Guggi wrote:
You don’t seem to understand the concept from your masters that the game is over. Our history is being rewritten by the victors and our entire western way of life is over now. All that’s left to do is wait for the infrastructures to fail so we all live in 3rd world rathole misery together.
@ Iron Fist:
The problem is that we don’t fight to win. We fight to “speard peace and democracy”.
Guggi wrote:
That’s one of the biggest piles of dogsqueeze I’ve seen in a while. The problem is not the nature of military superiority—the problem, for both the United States and Israel—is the failure of the political will to use it properly.
@ snork:
That is because they have no conception or understanding of the political theory that was behind the Constution and the Bill of Rights. If they did, they would trivialize it as out-moded because it does not allow for what they want to do with government. That is one reason that they are so comfortable with the totalitarians: their goals are not dissimilar from those of the totalitarians, including Totalitarian Islam. It is just that they want to be the ones calling the shots (and having people shot…)…
@ Rodan:
If I am in charge, we will fight and win wars to expand the American Empire.
@ Iron Fist:
Somebody recently said that the western world is entering the post-democratic era. Sure seems that way.
@ savage:
Exactly, we should smash our enemies and humiliate them.
Guggi wrote:
Achtung Frau agitprop Sie sind ein kommunistischer nützlicher Idiot des Gehirns absolut…
Arizona has filed appeal, and expidited appeal, with the Ninth Circuit. Good luck with the Ninth Circuit
@ vapig:
It is with that attitude, young lady!
@ Rodan:
We fight limited wars, but our enemy does not. That is especially true of our current war with Islam. We don’t dare name our enemy, while our enemy has been chanting “Death to America!” all of my life. The only thing that has spared us so far is the incompetance of our enemies. We can’t rely on that long term. Bush took the war to them, but that ended 18 months ago, and we’ve had 3 terrorist incidents since then. There will be more. Sooner or later, they will have another spectacular success, unless we get more serious about this.
doriangrey wrote:
Der Brinken Klinken in der Bloggin’ Noggin!
Nevergiveup wrote:
Appealing an injunction is a highly unusual maneuver, I’m told. The drama heightens.
Abbas: PA State Would be Jew-Free
Your loss dick.
Guggi wrote:
I hate clicking onto anything at the Huffington Post.
m wrote:
So why doesn’t Israel just declare itself Arab-free, and be done with it?
m wrote:
He certainly has a big mouth!
snork wrote:
Because they just dont have the testicular fortitude to do so…
NoThreat, your links comment went to spam. It’s up there now!
@ snork:
The Democratic experiment is always going to be temperorary. All governments are. If you look at it, we’ve had a good run from the end of the Civil War until now. I’d like to see us last longer, but I don’t know that that is in the cards. The people figured out how to vote themselves largess out of the public treasury, andthus campaigns have devolved into the two parties bidding for the votes of the voters with taxpayer money. That was what Bush’s perscription drug benifit for the “elderly” was (I hold that against him far more than anything that happened in Iraq). The Republic simply couldn’t keep that up, even before Obama came in and pilliaged the treasury in the name of “stimulus”. We’re not totally done, but if we don’t do something dramatic in these next two elections (2010 and 2012), then we are gone. Things will probably get exciting, then…
Pfc Bradley Manning is the traitor that gave the docs to Wikileaks. How the US has any allies left is beyond me, what with Obama’s efforts to throw them all under the bus and leftists penchant for leaking secrets. Manning’s the POS that gave Wikileaks the video of a 2007 helicopter attack that killed a reporter. Should any Afghans get killed because of the new leaks he should be tried for murder.
Nevergiveup
“The Ninth Jerk-it Court of Schlemiels”…Michael Savage
@ snork:
Seriously.
@ Speranza:
Arafish stretched it out.
/ok that was bad
@ m:
@ NoThreat2U:
Nice bike!
Iron Fist wrote:
I was talking to a friend the other day—an IDF vet, a journalist, a relatively reasonable guy. I told him that as far as I was concerned the only thing for Israel to do was give the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank six months to leave, at $50,000 a head—after which the entire area gets cropdusted with pigfat, and huge herds of swine get driven into Gaza and the Arab areas of the West Bank. (Armed force to follow, if necessary.)
He was vehement that “you couldn’t do that.” I asked him, why? In my experience, in any negotiation you have to ask for 2X if you want to end up with X—but that Israel seems locked into asking if its enemies demanding 3X will be satisfied with 1/2X. Israel needs to reshuffle the deck and play on its own rules, instead of the enemy’s.
He seemed appalled—probably was—at my saying this, and there was much admonition about how impossible it would be to kill women and children if that should prove necessary. I pointed out that population transfers happen all over the world, and that there is no reason to balk at killing women and children who, given the chance would unhesitatingly kill women and children in Israel. But, no—it was “impossible,” though no reason for that impossibility was given.
Depressing.
doriangrey wrote:
I’m not so sure about that. Israel lives in a world where if they pick up a nail and hammer, they get condemned in the UN and all over the world. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
@ Iron Fist:
He took to them half ass and in the name of spreading Democracy.
@ Rancher:
Afghans will be called because of this traitor. He should be tried, convicted, and executed.
The leftists are protesting in downtown Phoenix, blocking entrances to the Wells Fargo Building where Sheriff Joe’s offices are as well as the 4th avenue jail. 30 arrests so far.
@ Nevergiveup:
That’s because Israel is intimidated by the UN. If they tell people we have 100 nukes and can exterminate the whole Middle east, the world would fear them.
Ask North Korea, bullying works.
@ The Osprey:
I hope they like camping.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
It is “impossible” because it would be “wrong”. This from people who usually (I can’t speak for your friend) deny the existance of any hard and fast, black-and-white right and wrong. Everything is reletive when it comes to Mohammedans blowing themselves up at little girl’s birthday parties, but it is hard and fast when you propose doing anything concrete to prevent the people who blow up the little girls. What is depressing is that such a self-defeating viewpoint/ideology is given any weight in serious discourse. Such people are barely competant to get themselves to and from the supermarket. They have no place whatsoever making decisions about what the Ship of State will do in a war of survival.
Rodan wrote:
NK is a unique example and they are so isolated they can’t even feed their people. Not sure that is the example Israel wants to follow. Israel is not intimidated by the UN, but they are realists and would like to try and live as normally as possible. Israeli’s are human beings like us, not animals like the N Koreans or the Palis.
@ The Osprey:
The dope spilleth the beans.
The Osprey wrote:
ROTFLMAO… That is on FoxNew with Sheriff Joe right now, the protesters are chaining themselves to the jail begging to go to jail, Sheriff Joe said, coll, they wont have far to go we will be arresting them for as long as they continue wanting to be arrested…
@ The Osprey:
Target rich environment. You can bet none of those people are carrying icky guns. Just sayin’…
@ The Osprey:
Which means it goes all the way to the supremes.
@ snork:
This guy at the swamp asks the obvious question, but no one there answers it:
I didn’t have any idea, so I checked. This column peripherally touches on the actual magnitude of the problem:
Ten percent! It’s ‘fringe’ to ignore that, an out-of-control situation the authors of the XIVth certainly never envisioned.
m wrote:
Sorry, forgot sarc tag – but am in a cynical mood anyway…..
Iron Fist wrote:
The death penalty for crank calls would be a bit extreme…
The Nuge weighs in on 1070
Rodan wrote:
Can you imagine how Al Gore would’ve responded to 9/11?
A rousing speech and a volley of cruise missiles!
(Followed by another 9/11)
Thank you M and thank you too IF
Iron Fist wrote:
Hmmm, you sure about that?
@ Nevergiveup:
Well their nice guy approach isn’t working. We are living in the new Dark ages and only teh strong and ruthless survive. It’s the reality of the world now. They only respect strenght and brutality.
doriangrey wrote:
To link to an article to discuss it has nothing to do with “agitprop”. I found Iron Fist’s answer interesting which boils down to the simple and well known concept: while the West is bound and gagged to the rules of the Human Rights agenda their enemies give a sh*t about it and hide behind civilians (and terrorize them). From Korea to Viet Nam, from Israel to Afghanistan and Iraq. The former SU didn’t give a rat’s ass about whom they killed: civilian or not. But we – the West – we have to care and we are faced with a MM which is eager to write about real or imagined abuse of HR.
So STFU and lmaA and look for another victim of your stupid assaults.
Hast mi ?
@ BuddyG:
Gore probably would of invited Bin Laden over to talk things through. He also would of pushed for Sharia compliance in the US and he would of sold out Israel. Gore would of gave in to AL-Qaeda’s demands and treated 9/11 like a crimianl event.
Bush was the better of the two, but we needed an FDR or Lincoln who would of fought with gloves off.
God help this country!
Rodan wrote:
It’s not working? How so. Israel is a vibrant, free, democratic, mostly capitalistic, modern society. Yeah they got problems as we do, but they world sucks alot and it could be very much worse for israel if they acted like the North Koreans.
@ Rodan:
We are at the beginning of a New Dark Age, that is for sure. America hasn’t fallen, yet, but we are falling. I think if we don’t do something substantive in the next two elections it will be too late. Anyone with any brain can look ahead to the economic ruin that we are spending ourselves into, and when the nation goes bankrupt, things go to hell quickly. We have the cross-border invasion on our Southern border, and Barbarians in our midst with all the Mohammedan immigration (which should have ended completely nine years ago). We’re in bad shape, no lie.
@ Rancher:
Scape goat. I find it hard to believe a PFC could get his hands on that material.
Speranza wrote:
I usually don’t visite the site but got it via e-mail. Really not my favorite media
Nevergiveup @119 wrote:
If Iran gets nukes.
BuddyG wrote:
That is NOT only Israel’s problem
Guggi wrote:
Take your own advice before offering it… There was nothing to discuss in that article, just a obscene Marxist statement of dogma.
@ Nevergiveup:
It is if nobody else is going to do anything about it.
Obama to bypass Congress and provide mass amnesty through executive fiat
“A newly revealed memo, obtained by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) who is leading the fight against amnesty, shows Obama Administration officials offering a detailed plan that would offer actual or de facto amnesty to millions of illegal aliens without Congress ever taking a vote.”
@ Nevergiveup:
It’s not working because The muzzies are always looking to pick a fight with Israel and the Left enjoys demonizing them. They get no respect anymore because they are viewed as weak by its enemies. If Israel fought brutally and crushed Hizballah, Hamas and Syria once and for all plus sent assains to knock of it’s Leftist enemies in NGO’s and the media, they would have peace.
They have limited peace, not permanent peace. The only solution is to wipe out your enemies and humiliate them. Until Israel gets brutal and finanly finishes off its enemies, that nation will never know peace.
Guggi wrote:
I can’t say that I disagree with you. I think we need to start fighting as the other side does, to the knife and until complete victory. Spending our time fretting over collateral damage would’ve been alien to the generation that fought and won World War II.
@ Nevergiveup:
Yup, that’s Europe and America’s problem as well.
@ Bordm:
And the Tea Partiers scare them. They should try imagining the next layer of Americans pissed off.
@ snork:
Which appears to be the case
vapig wrote:
There are, apparently, records on his computer as to what he downloaded. And any organization has lowly grunt types doing the hands-on work. Not unbelievable at all.
Bordm wrote:
I’ve seen that before. i do not think that even Obama would be so foolhardy to do something like that but with him you never can tell.
@ Nevergiveup:
No, but it will be more immediately Israel’s problem (I think), and Obama and the rest of the world are clearly not going to do anything of significance to stop Iran. That leaves the problem in Israel’s court. If Israel can’t or won’t stop them, then Iran will have nuclear weapons soon. Certainly within the next five years. Maybe as soon as now. The only reason to suspect Iran doesn’t already have nukes is that she hasn’t used them on anyone yet. When they get them (when, not if), then the fate of the world will be in the hands of madmen who claim they want to bring on the Apocalypse in the name of the anti-Christ. Personally, I’d support Israel in a strategic first-strike on Iran today. A limited nuclear war now is better than an unlimited one later. But that isn’t going to happen. So we face the abyss on yet another front.
Iron Fist wrote:
I knew what you meant, LOL. He will be convicted for the leaks, that’s a felony that should get him a long prison sentence. Deaths that result from that felony can bring more charges. No way Holder will try him as a traitor and have him executed. Is he still in the military? If so maybe the army will do it.
vapig wrote:
Umm he is not a scapegoat. He is as guilty as hell. Hoeever there may be others. Just looking at his smirky ugly face gives me the creeps.
snork wrote:
I think the word is anybody else, but yeah I get your point.
@ doriangrey:
I found it interesting as an example of how the Progressives think, or how they claim to think. They are ruthless enough when it comes to defending Progressivism, as Stalin amply proved.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Sorry, someone higher up gave the ok.
Iron Fist wrote:
Unfortunately probably all to true. All to true.
Speranza wrote:
I agree to guilt. Just not that he did it alone.
@ vapig:
Gen. Mcchrystal himself probably gave the okay whilst reading Rolling Stone magazine. Leftist pr*ck.
vapig wrote:
stop feeling bad for the guy. he is a left wing creep and they found evidence on his computer. He is a fucking traitor,face it.
BuddyG wrote:
Win a few more debates and he’ll label you an “extreme racist”.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
This is contrary to my experience with a member of MEMRI
who called for the complete destruction of Iran without turning a hair.
I had a collegue from Iran with me who is totally pro-Israel. When she was a child her father told her the story of the Shoa with the help of articels about it in Iranian newspapers published during the Shah era.
It was horrible and I was so ashamed and furious when my friend only looked with great eyes and scared. I turned around took my collegue with me and left him alone.
@ Iron Fist:
See it wasn’t the Barbarian invasions that did in Rome. In fact by the early 600′s Part of Italy inclusing Rome itself and North Africa were back under Imperial control. Visigothic Spain was a vassal of the Empire. The the war with Persian weakened the Empire, which enabled the Arab Muslims to overrun North Africa, Spain and the Middle East. But still the Dark ages had already begun since the mid 200′s when Civil wars racked the empire.
vapig wrote:
Bradley apparently bragged about releasing an Iraq video earlier, and styled himself a “hactivist”—i.e., hacker/activist. He also, apparently, has “an affinity for gay-rights groups” looking to repeal DA/DT.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Too many people have this idea or notion of a super competent and capable government or government agency. A lot of traitors were low level scum buckets.
vapig wrote:
First thing that crossed my mind as well, PFC Manning is probably just some poor schmuck caught on illegal narcotics trafficking charges who is more than happy to be charged with leaking secret information because it means having the venue changed to the US where he will face a couple of years in FT Leavenworth as opposed to facing the death penalty in Iraq.
I suspect that the wikileak issue is a US Military push-back against the Obama administration. The US Military has been getting screwed royally by the State Department and the Whitehouse for a long time now. No telling how many American military personal have died because the State Department or the Whitehouse insisted on working with or ignoring the fact that the Pakistani’s were betraying them.
The US Military has known since day one that both Iran and the Pakistani military’s were arming and funding the Iraqi and Afghanistan insurgents. The State Department and the Whitehouse have tied their hand with insane rules of engagement and refused to allow the US Military to actually defend themselves from their real enemies.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Yup!
Speranza wrote:
I don’t feel bad for him. Just that someone else will get away with it.
Nevergiveup @141 wrote:
Think about a nuclear 9/11 for a moment. Do you think America could recover from that? Say the loss of two or three cities in a day. I really wonder what would happen afterwards. Would we weaken to the point of balkanization? Ain’t pretty.
Jorline wrote:
or become a cherished poster at LGF.
@ BuddyG:
The sad part is we have 40% of the population that would support our enemies.
vapig wrote:
If someone else helped him he will start spilling his guts. he is 22 years old and is now facing a 52 year sentence in prison.
Daniel Ellsberg is proud of Manning
@ Speranza:
Do they give parole in military prison? I’m thinking not…
waldensianspirit wrote:
Is that old Red still alive? I guess he is.
Iron Fist wrote:
I don’t think so.
@ Rodan:
All I know of the fall of Rome is what they teach in public schools. I’m planning on adding knowledge of ancient warfare to my repertoire (I have two VDH books in my queue), but I’ll have to give you best on that subject right now.
Rodan wrote:
Afterwards, 100% of the population would find themselves in civil disorder; riots at supermarkets, riots at gas stations, roving armed gangs looting businesses and robbing homes, etc. It would really suck. Yikes. (BTW, it’s a darn good idea to own some weapons like a rifle, pistol, and shotgun)
Speranza wrote:
LOL
End up on the AOL buddy list of icenipple, chuckycheese, luggiemeister and jimbalaya.
Rodan wrote:
No it wasnt, what did Rome in was lead. Or more precisely, lead poisoning. Every hear the phrase, Mad as a hatter? The ruling elite of Rome literally suffered lead poisoning induced psychosis and couldn’t make rational decisions. They were eating and drinking of ceramic ware that was glazed with lead glaze, that lead leached into their food and wine and rotted their brains away.
Generation after generation their cognizant abilities slipped further and further away and the onset of heavy metal poisoning appeared earlier and earlier. They didn’t know what was happening to themselves and they didnt know why it was happening, so for generation after generation, they covered up the fact that the older members of Roman society we basically bat shit insane.
doriangrey wrote:
The phrase “mad as a hatter” has nothing to do with lead. It has to do with the mercury that was used, until about 50 years ago, to process the fur into the felt that hats are made of—and which, in toxic levels, caused insanity.
BuddyG wrote:
Actually no, that’s about the very last thing that would happen, armed societies really are polite societies.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Yea, didnt bother understanding the whole “HEAVY METAL POISONING” did ya.
doriangrey wrote:
Yes. They’re so very polite in Afghanistan and Gaza.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
The only thing that makes a Islamic society a polite society is when all the Muslims are dead. Societies that are not clinically insane to begin with are polite when armed, using Islamic societies as an example otherwise is a intellectually dishonest strawman argument and you know it Buzz.
doriangrey wrote:
Not in the least. You need to modify your generalization.
vapig wrote:
There’s absolutely no evidence to support your assertion.
The guy’s an intel analyst serving overseas. He has SIPRNET access as part of his job. He clearly had access to the information that was leaked, and it required nobody’s permission.
The majority of what was leaked is classified Confidential, with a sprinkling of Secret mixed in. As an intel analyst, he would have a Top Secret clearance.
Could there be some conspiracy involved here? Maybe. But he absolutely could have been working alone.
lobo91 wrote:
Ah, but consider, he was already being held in Baghdad on different charges and facing a trial in Iraqi courts, now all of a sudden he is facing charges that mean his venue is being changed to the United States.
I have absolutely no doubt PFC Manning is guilty of something, exactly what I do not know, but I am certain that PFC Manning does not want his case heard in a Iraqi criminal court and made some kind of deal to be charged with leaking military secrets.
@ doriangrey:
Which has absolutely no bearing on what I said.
He had means, motive, and opportunity to commit the crime he’s being charged with. There’s no reason to suspect that he’s being “scapegoated,” and certainly not because of his rank.
Palestinian Corruption and Humanitarian Aid
Run some of these facts by a flotillaturd if you perchance meet one.
lobo91 wrote:
Well duh, the story would have to have a plausible suspect or it wouldn’t be believable now would it. They couldn’t exactly charge a lowly motor pool mechanic from operation deep freeze with releasing secret documents regarding Afghanistan and have it carry any significant level of plausibility now could they.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Yup. The term “win” now applies only to elections. Israel began to noticeably go down the tubes when they stopped responding with instant retaliation/decimation to attacks against them. The growing situation in Iraq, and the ongoing situation in Afghanistan speak say it all. Placation is nothing more than a venereal disease – and the penalty WE pay for the globalists’ bed-hopping.
Hi, buzzsaw!! Nice to see you!