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Goodspaceguy

by snork ( 215 Comments › )
Filed under Democratic Party, Politics at July 30th, 2010 - 9:00 pm

Just to remind us that in the crazy spectrum there’s crazy-a and crazy-b, here is somebody running against Patty Murray from what I’m not sure is the left, right, or outer space:

Message 41 on blog: Our Spaceship Earth

Dear fellow Sheeple, move Upward with me, Goodspaceguy.
My name is Goodspaceguy, and I am one of 15 candidates for the office of US Senator from Washington State. This important Primary Election ends Tuesday, August 17, 2010. Please vote and help unsabotage our economy.
Who am I? I’m just some guy who has studied economics and who advocates unsabotaging our economy so that everyone who wants to work can have a choice of jobs.
And I’m just some guy who has studied astronomy who advocates getting our orbital space colonies started. You have already paid the money, but we don’t have the starter cololnies.
And I am also a life-long student who is also advocating that we do more research in Rejuvenation Science so that you and I might stay young longer.
I, Goodspaceguy, object to the billions and billions of dollars of waste that I know about, and I object to the sabotage of our economy that has caused the loss of so many jobs.
Under the big spenders who you usually elect, this waste and this sabotage of our economy continues, year-after-year, and throws some of you out of work, thereby lowering production and lowers our living standard.
I have become prosperous because I am a small spender.

Sounds good so far.

Some nations have dictators who often run their economies badly.
But we, the sheeple, have a democratic republic, which we are currently running badly because most people have not been educated in the science of economics. But at least we have People Power. Our people need to study how to operate our economy better. Our economy is like a machine, like a truck.
A truck runs better when its owner studies how it works and studies how to maintain it.
To run our Spaceship Earth better, I request that you spend some time studying the science of economics and studying how to promote greater long-run profits and incentives.
When people attack profits, they decrease jobs. Losses create layoffs, but profits create jobs. Therefore, you who want jobs, you especially should defend profits and you should speak against progressive taxation because it decreases incentive.
As a student of economics, the best regressive form of taxation that I know about is the regressive head tax. Regressive taxation promotes smaller government and greater production and lowers the burden on the workers. Surprisingly, the head tax helps to raise the living standard of the workers as the workers get to keep a larger percentage of their production.
Of all forms of taxation that I, Goodspaceguy, know about, the head tax is the least distortive tax that you can place on yourselves as you operate our government and our competitive economy.
To get our competitive free market functioning better, let us build a job/wealth partnership.
When profits disappear, the business owners find themselves working for free.

You’re playing my tune, Goodspaceguy.

The Sun orbiting space colonies are coming. Then when the killer comets and asteroids (like those, which we recently photographed hitting Planet Jupiter) cross the orbit of our Spaceship Earth, the space colonists will be in place to start the mining of those killer comets and asteroids. Busy mining away … the space colonist can convert the materials of the comets and asteroids into resources for further expanding their Sun orbiting space colonies. Using the huge power of the Sun, the orbiting space colonist will gradually be able to build the most sophisticated human societies our human race has ever known.
We are operating way below our production possibility curve. We can do so much, much better.
Forty years ago with our Moon landings, we should have started the beginning, private enterprise space colonies.
Move upward with Goodspaceguy. Vote for Goodspaceguy. Recommend Goodspaceguy.

Sorry, Goodspaceguy. Not going there. If it comes down to you and Patty Murray, I’ll… umm… shit.

____________

I should point out, btw, that the reason why Goodspaceguy and 13 other candidates are all on the primary ballot running against the incumbent Patty Murray is a new primary system in the State of Washington that picks the top two in the primary, regardless of party, and runs them against each other in the general. This kind of primary tends to attract a lot more cats and dogs than the old party-primary system, and gives us these interesting and colorful characters.

Practically speaking, Murray is going to end up running against either Republican Dino Rossi or Republican (and former Green Bay Packer) Clint Didier. The polls show Rossi with the upper hand (and only Rossi can beat Murray), but Didier is more in with the Tea Party crowd.

I can’t recount the genesis of the system, but neither party likes it, and tried to fight it, unsuccessfully. I like it, because it gives third-party candidates a way to be viable without being spoilers. This is why the major parties don’t like it.

But in the end, only Rossi can beat Murray, so go Dino!

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  1. 1 | July 30, 2010 21:03

    foist


  2. 2 | July 30, 2010 21:09

    You’ve heard of the X Files … this blog needs a category for the WTF Files!


  3. 3 | July 30, 2010 21:10

    1389AD wrote:

    You’ve heard of the X Files … this blog needs a category for the WTF Files!

    hahahah and with that I bid you a do. Nightie night..


  4. The Osprey
    4 | July 30, 2010 21:11

    Sounds like a somewhat libertarian exponent of space colonization. I don’t have a problem with that. I’d take him over Patty Murray in a heartbeat.


  5. Philip_Daniel
    5 | July 30, 2010 21:12

    This guy should spend less time in Epcot and more time in the real world…

    Seriously.


  6. 6 | July 30, 2010 21:19

    Philip_Daniel wrote:

    This guy should spend less time in Epcot and more time in the real world…
    Seriously.

    That’s for sure.
    Has he ever had to meet QA standards, or meet a payroll? Or even get government forms in on time?


  7. 7 | July 30, 2010 21:22

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    Magic mushrooms, man. It’s the only way to fly…


  8. bellamags
    8 | July 30, 2010 21:22

    This is probably appropriate


  9. vapig
    9 | July 30, 2010 21:30

    The Osprey wrote:

    Sounds like a somewhat libertarian exponent of space colonization. I don’t have a problem with that. I’d take him over Patty Murray in a heartbeat.

    I like what he had to say too about the space program. We’d probably be further along if it had been in the private sector.


  10. vapig
    10 | July 30, 2010 21:32

    Philip_Daniel wrote:

    This guy should spend less time in Epcot and more time in the real world…
    Seriously.

    THAT’S what he said that I didn’t like. He’s a professional student – meaning he’s never had a job nor ran a business nor met a payroll. Lofty ideas are great, but basic knowledge in business is where you make your bones! Look what the freakin intellectuals (again – people who theorize, but have never ran a business) are doing to this country right now!


  11. savages_girl
    11 | July 30, 2010 21:33

    snork, I’ve seen this guy run on the ballot before. I remember reading his blurb about himself and I thought, “This guy’s a bonafide nut job! I can’t believe anybody would seriously vote for the guy. I wonder if he just does it as a joke to see if anybody is stupid enough to vote for him.


  12. The Osprey
    12 | July 30, 2010 21:34

    1389AD wrote:

    Philip_Daniel wrote:

    This guy should spend less time in Epcot and more time in the real world…
    Seriously.

    That’s for sure.
    Has he ever had to meet QA standards, or meet a payroll? Or even get government forms in on time?

    Having looked at his blog and some of his essays, I’m guessing he’s a former or current Boeing employee.

    Ok, so he’s a bit overenthusiastic but I find it rather depressing that people here are taking potshots at him. At one time this sort of enthusiasm for space technology and advancements were heralded here in America. We’ve lost our sense of imagination and hope for the future as well as our nerve.


  13. snork
    13 | July 30, 2010 21:34

    I want to know what his plan for Afghanistan is. Phasers, or photon torpedoes?


  14. lobo91
    14 | July 30, 2010 21:35

    @ savages_girl:

    Should we assume that you’re not voting for him, then? ;)


  15. Lily
    15 | July 30, 2010 21:36

    I don’t know but I think this guy’s theme song is this.


  16. savages_girl
    16 | July 30, 2010 21:37

    Practically speaking, Murray is going to end up running against either Republican Dino Rossi or Republican (and former Green Bay Packer) Clint Didier. The polls show Rossi with the upper hand (and only Rossi can beat Murray), but Didier is more in with the Tea Party crowd.

    I think Dino’s got a good chance of getting the vote this time. He lost against Govenor Gregoire back when they ran against each other, but I think it’s his time to win. This would be a bigger feather in his cap than being the govenor.


  17. snork
    17 | July 30, 2010 21:37

    @ savages_girl:
    There’s a guy in Pierce County who does that – runs just to get a message board. And in the 7th congressional district (us), there are some real lulus. They’re all trying to run to the left of McDermott.


  18. savages_girl
    18 | July 30, 2010 21:37

    @ lobo91:

    Should we assume that you’re not voting for him, then?

    that would be affirmative there, good buddy ;)


  19. lobo91
    19 | July 30, 2010 21:39

    @ snork:

    They’re all trying to run to the left of McDermott.

    That’s a scary thought…


  20. snork
    20 | July 30, 2010 21:40

    That’s “Baghdad” Jim McDermott, for all you out-of-staters. My congressman, and SG’s. :evil:


  21. savages_girl
    21 | July 30, 2010 21:40

    OK, OT – I’ve let Mr Tortoise out to walk around the apartment… usually I forget that he’s out and then I will have to hunt him down…


  22. savages_girl
    22 | July 30, 2010 21:42

    @ savages_girl:
    god, can’t spell “governor”… I knew it looked wrong… it still does…


  23. Lily
    23 | July 30, 2010 21:43

    snork wrote:

    I want to know what his plan for Afghanistan is. Phasers, or photon torpedoes?

    I suppose that depends on exactly what Play Station game he plays.


  24. snork
    24 | July 30, 2010 21:43

    @ savages_girl:
    You don’t have a tortoise pager?


  25. savages_girl
    25 | July 30, 2010 21:43

    @ snork:

    That’s “Baghdad” Jim McDermott, for all you out-of-staters. My congressman, and SG’s

    yes, another man who has been in office forever….


  26. Lily
    26 | July 30, 2010 21:44

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ savages_girl:
    god, can’t spell “governor”… I knew it looked wrong… it still does…

    We still get what you mean! ;)


  27. savages_girl
    27 | July 30, 2010 21:45

    @ snork:

    You don’t have a tortoise pager?

    I should get a little tortoise tracker. He’s already out of sight… and my cats are no help. They are looking at me wondering why I haven’t prepared their dinner…BBIAB…


  28. snork
    28 | July 30, 2010 21:46

    That would make a good sock at LGF – “Goodspaceguy”. Fit right in there. Nobody would ever suspect a thing. Just start copying random snippets from his space musings, and watch the karma roll in.


  29. The Osprey
    29 | July 30, 2010 21:47

    snork wrote:

    I want to know what his plan for Afghanistan is. Phasers, or photon torpedoes?

    “Rods from God” aka hypervelocity kinetic bombardment from orbit or via modified ICBM payload.

    The concept of kinetic-energy weapons has been around ever since the RAND Corporation proposed placing rods on the tips of ICBMs in the 1950s; the satellite twist was popularized by sci-fi writer Jerry Pournelle. Though the Pentagon won’t say how far along the research is, or even confirm that any efforts are underway, the concept persists. The “U.S. Air Force Transformation Flight Plan,” published by the Air Force in November 2003, references “hypervelocity rod bundles” in its outline of future space-based weapons, and in 2002, another report from RAND, “Space Weapons, Earth Wars,” dedicated entire sections to the technology’s usefulness.

    If so-called “Rods from God”—an informal nickname of untraceable origin—ever do materialize, it won’t be for at least 15 years. Launching heavy tungsten rods into space will require substantially cheaper rocket technology than we have today. But there are numerous other obstacles to making such a system work. Pike, of GlobalSecurity.org, argues that the rods’ speed would be so high that they would vaporize on impact, before the rods could penetrate the surface. Furthermore, the “absentee ratio”—the fact that orbiting satellites circle the Earth every 100 minutes and so at any given time might be far from the desired target—would be prohibitive. A better solution, Pike argues, is to pursue the original concept: Place the rods atop intercontinental ballistic missiles, which would slow down enough during the downward part of their trajectory to avoid vaporizing on impact. ICBMs would also be less expensive and, since they’re stationed on Earth, would take less time to reach their targets. “The space-basing people seem to understand the downside of space weapons,” Pike says—among them, high costs and the difficulty of maintaining weapon platforms in orbit. “But I’ll still bet you there’s a lot of classified work on this going on right now.”


  30. Bagua
    30 | July 30, 2010 21:47

    I for one would welcome a chance to escape this nutty planet and live in space.

    So long, and thanks for all the fish!


  31. snork
    31 | July 30, 2010 21:52

    @ The Osprey:
    Badspaceguy!!! :twisted:


  32. The Osprey
    32 | July 30, 2010 21:52

    Lots of people scoffed at those two bicycle mechanics, Orville and Wilbur Wright, and their dreams of flight.


  33. Lily
    33 | July 30, 2010 21:57

    @ Bagua:

    LOL!


  34. 34 | July 30, 2010 21:58

    The Osprey wrote:

    Lots of people scoffed at those two bicycle mechanics, Orville and Wilbur Wright, and their dreams of flight.

    While true, the Wright Brothers did have some practical experience running a bike shop. They also put their own money and their own bodies on the line. In general, I’m not big on theory without real-world testing.


  35. Lily
    35 | July 30, 2010 22:00

    @ 1389AD:

    I am sure he has some UFO theory’s if only someone would ask. :)


  36. vapig
    36 | July 30, 2010 22:01

    savages_girl wrote:

    Practically speaking, Murray is going to end up running against either Republican Dino Rossi or Republican (and former Green Bay Packer) Clint Didier. The polls show Rossi with the upper hand (and only Rossi can beat Murray), but Didier is more in with the Tea Party crowd.
    I think Dino’s got a good chance of getting the vote this time. He lost against Govenor Gregoire back when they ran against each other, but I think it’s his time to win. This would be a bigger feather in his cap than being the govenor.

    He didn’t lose – that was the progs first successful stolen race. They failed in 2000 with the presidency – but they got the blueprint down. Keep recounting until you get what you want and then stop. Ballots found in trunks – 150% more votes in countyies than voters.


  37. Bordm
    37 | July 30, 2010 22:05

    @ The Osprey:

    Ok, so he’s a bit overenthusiastic but I find it rather depressing that people here are taking potshots at him. At one time this sort of enthusiasm for space technology and advancements were heralded here in America. We’ve lost our sense of imagination and hope for the future as well as our nerve.

    We had a plan for space exploration, McNamara and JFK killed it in favor of Von Braun’s bullshit “strap a man to a ICBM” crap. They killed our real space exploration program to ‘beat’ the Russians to the moon and we never recovered.


  38. The Osprey
    38 | July 30, 2010 22:06

    @ 1389AD:

    Space colonies of the type this guy is discussing have been in the planning stages by NASA engineers since the 1970′s when Gerard K O’Neil first originated the concept.


  39. lobo91
    39 | July 30, 2010 22:07

    @ vapig:

    He didn’t lose – that was the progs first successful stolen race. They failed in 2000 with the presidency – but they got the blueprint down. Keep recounting until you get what you want and then stop. Ballots found in trunks – 150% more votes in countyies than voters.

    Which led directly to the Soros-backed “Secretary of State Project.”


  40. vapig
    40 | July 30, 2010 22:08

    The Osprey wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Space colonies of the type this guy is discussing have been in the planning stages by NASA engineers since the 1970′s when Gerard K O’Neil first originated the concept.

    And yet, because it’s in the hands of the government it’s gone – where? The shuttle was great – but it’s dead now and so is our space program.


  41. vapig
    41 | July 30, 2010 22:09

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ vapig:
    He didn’t lose – that was the progs first successful stolen race. They failed in 2000 with the presidency – but they got the blueprint down. Keep recounting until you get what you want and then stop. Ballots found in trunks – 150% more votes in countyies than voters.
    Which led directly to the Soros-backed “Secretary of State Project.”

    Which gave us Frankin! What a Frankinstein!


  42. vapig
    42 | July 30, 2010 22:11

    vapig wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ vapig:
    He didn’t lose – that was the progs first successful stolen race. They failed in 2000 with the presidency – but they got the blueprint down. Keep recounting until you get what you want and then stop. Ballots found in trunks – 150% more votes in countyies than voters.
    Which led directly to the Soros-backed “Secretary of State Project.”
    Which gave us Frankin! What a Frankinstein!

    Franken = Frankenstein.

    PIMF


  43. 43 | July 30, 2010 22:12

    Hey I say an honest Criminal for the senate!


  44. savages_girl
    44 | July 30, 2010 22:13

    @ vapig:

    The shuttle was great – but it’s dead now and so is our space program.

    If I recall other posts on this blog, Obama isn’t so big on our space program…


  45. 45 | July 30, 2010 22:13

    @ Bordm:

    It’s sad, we need to colonize space.


  46. snork
    46 | July 30, 2010 22:14

    vapig wrote:

    He didn’t lose – that was the progs first successful stolen race. They failed in 2000 with the presidency – but they got the blueprint down. Keep recounting until you get what you want and then stop. Ballots found in trunks – 150% more votes in countyies than voters.

    If you only knew the half of it.


  47. savages_girl
    47 | July 30, 2010 22:15

    @ Rodan:
    You can tell that’s an old video (old clips) because Mike Tyson doesn’t have the facial tattoos that he’s had for years now…


  48. lobo91
    48 | July 30, 2010 22:15

    @ savages_girl:

    He thinks it’s an outstanding Muslim outreach program.

    Want some sangria? I have a whole pitcher to drink…


  49. The Osprey
    49 | July 30, 2010 22:18

    vapig wrote:

    The Osprey wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Space colonies of the type this guy is discussing have been in the planning stages by NASA engineers since the 1970′s when Gerard K O’Neil first originated the concept.

    And yet, because it’s in the hands of the government it’s gone – where? The shuttle was great – but it’s dead now and so is our space program.

    Shortsighted politicians like William Proxmire…a perpetual opponent of anything related to space exploration, may his name be cursed.


  50. savages_girl
    50 | July 30, 2010 22:23

    @ lobo91:

    Want some sangria? I have a whole pitcher to drink…

    I would love to have sangria with you! Thanks for asking (holds out wine glass for a pour…)

    Hey, weren’t you supposed to be making chicken enchiladas tonight?


  51. 51 | July 30, 2010 22:23

    Some Latin flavor. Salsa de Puerto Rico!


  52. lobo91
    52 | July 30, 2010 22:24

    @ savages_girl:

    I would love to have sangria with you! Thanks for asking (holds out wine glass for a pour…)

    Hey, weren’t you supposed to be making chicken enchiladas tonight?

    I was, yes.

    Instead, I’m watching the Rockies/Cubs game, and wondering what I’m going to do with all this sangria I made.

    Not to mention the flan…


  53. 53 | July 30, 2010 22:25

    O/t but not much:

    Never give up our electoral college


  54. savages_girl
    54 | July 30, 2010 22:26

    @ lobo91:

    I was, yes.

    Instead, I’m watching the Rockies/Cubs game, and wondering what I’m going to do with all this sangria I made.

    Not to mention the flan…

    I’m sorry… you know if I lived within 100 miles, I’d come over and eat and drink with you…

    what happened? last-minute scheduling conflict?


  55. Philip_Daniel
    55 | July 30, 2010 22:26

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Bordm:
    It’s sad, we need to colonize space.

    Better we establish asteroid colonies than al-Muslimin

    Just imagine this now — qitaal against extra-terrestrials!

    To the average mujahid follower of ‘Abd al-Wahhab and Sheikh ibn Taymiyyah, the following probably applies just as much to extra-terrestrials (if they exist, which is statistically likely) as to terrestrials…

    “Allaah has commanded us to support His religion and to wage jihad against His enemies.

    There are so many verses that enjoin jihad against the mushrikeen and fighting them until all submission is for Allaah alone; they clearly state that it is obligatory and is prescribed and is compulsory. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Jihaad holy fighting in Allaah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allaah knows but you do not know”
    [al-Baqarah 2:216]

    Rulings on jihad

    1 – Taking the initiative in fighting

    This means pursuing the kaafirs in their lands and calling them to Islam and fighting them if they do not agree to submit to the rule of Islam.

    This kind of jihad is fard kifaayah (a communal obligation) upon the Muslims. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allaah), then certainly, Allaah is All-Seer of what they do”
    [al-Anfaal 8:39]

    “Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism] and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”
    [al-Tawbah 9:5]

    “and fight against the Mushrikoon (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah) collectively as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allaah is with those who are Al-Muttaqoon (the pious”
    [al-Tawbah 9:36]

    “March forth, whether you are light (being healthy, young and wealthy) or heavy (being ill, old and poor), and strive hard with your wealth and your lives in the Cause of Allaah. This is better for you, if you but knew”
    [al-Tawbah 9:41]

    It was narrated from Ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been commanded to fight the people until they bear witness that there is no god but Allaah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah, and establish regular prayer, and pay zakaah, If they do that then their blood and wealth is safe from me, except by the laws of Islam, and their reckoning will be with Allaah.”
    Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 24; Muslim, 29.

    Muslim (3533) narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever dies without having fought or thought to himself about fighting has died following one of the branches of hypocrisy.”

    All of these texts – and many others in the Qur’aan and Sunnah – mean that it is obligatory for the Muslims to wage jihad against the kuffaar and take the initiative in that. The scholars are unanimously agreed that jihad against the kuffar, and seeking them in their own lands, and calling them to Islam, and waging jihad against them if they do not accept Islam or accept paying the jizyah, is obligatory and has not been abrogated.

    Shaykh al-Islam (28/249) said:

    Everyone who hears the call of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to the religion of Allaah with which he was sent and does not respond to it must be fought so that there will be no fitnah and so that submission will all be for Allaah.

    Ibn ‘Atiyah said (2/43): There remains scholarly consensus that jihad is a communal obligation upon the ummah of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and if some of the Muslims undertake this duty the rest are absolved of responsibility.”—“Ruling on Physical Jihad”, http://islam.worldofislam.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=757%3Aruling-on-physical-jihad&catid=131&Itemid=44

    Do we really, really want the future inevitable revived Caliphate to colonize space with kufr techonology (being the hypocrites these Muslims are)?

    [I wonder if there's a correlation between how much I post -- I know, I promised to post less -- and my fast reading speed?]


  56. savages_girl
    56 | July 30, 2010 22:26

    @ lobo91:
    I really love flan!


  57. Bordm
    57 | July 30, 2010 22:27

    The Osprey wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Space colonies of the type this guy is discussing have been in the planning stages by NASA engineers since the 1970′s when Gerard K O’Neil first originated the concept.

    Before NASA ever came into existence there were plans to use the Dynasoar and other military projects to build a space station first. Once the station was built, we could use it as a stepping stone to the moon, so it could be explored and colonized. By utilizing the resources of the moon and the space station, we would have been able to explore our solar system, without have to deal with the cost of overcoming the gravity well of launching resources from Earth . It was thrown out so we could have a “space race” and beat the USSR to be the first on the moon.


  58. 58 | July 30, 2010 22:27

    Merengu de Santo Domingo!


  59. Lily
    59 | July 30, 2010 22:27

    @ The Osprey:

    Sorry didn’t mean to bash. He does have an imagination.


  60. savages_girl
    60 | July 30, 2010 22:28

    @ 1389AD:

    O/t but not much:

    Never give up our electoral college

    I know I’m in the minority here, but I think the electoral college is a bunch of crap.


  61. lobo91
    61 | July 30, 2010 22:28

    @ savages_girl:

    I’m sorry… you know if I lived within 100 miles, I’d come over and eat and drink with you…

    what happened? last-minute scheduling conflict?

    No, she managed to make herself sick working all those different shifts without a day off for two weeks.


  62. savages_girl
    62 | July 30, 2010 22:29

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    How do you know so g—damn much about the muslims and the Koran and all that stuff? It’s like you were raised with it…


  63. 63 | July 30, 2010 22:29

    Espana y Cuba!


  64. vapig
    64 | July 30, 2010 22:30

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ vapig:
    The shuttle was great – but it’s dead now and so is our space program.
    If I recall other posts on this blog, Obama isn’t so big on our space program…

    It’s shameful! It’s like living in Rome with the barbarians at the gate starving you to death. The only thing left is zero fiddling (or golfing) while we burn!


  65. The Osprey
    65 | July 30, 2010 22:30

    “I for one, do not intend to go to sleep by the light of a Communist Moon!”


  66. Lily
    66 | July 30, 2010 22:30

    @ lobo91:

    Oh wow! Date’s off then. Well you still have all of us here to keep you company.
    /hands wine glass out >>>>


  67. savages_girl
    67 | July 30, 2010 22:30

    @ lobo91:

    what happened? last-minute scheduling conflict?

    No, she managed to make herself sick working all those different shifts without a day off for two weeks.

    bummer… damn, I wish I lived nearby… and I’ve always wanted to make my own sangria… what did you put in it (as I have another sip from my virtual drink you poured for me)?


  68. vapig
    68 | July 30, 2010 22:31

    snork wrote:

    vapig wrote:
    He didn’t lose – that was the progs first successful stolen race. They failed in 2000 with the presidency – but they got the blueprint down. Keep recounting until you get what you want and then stop. Ballots found in trunks – 150% more votes in countyies than voters.
    If you only knew the half of it.

    Explain – I feel I’ve been paying attention.


  69. Bordm
    69 | July 30, 2010 22:31

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Bordm:
    It’s sad, we need to colonize space.

    If it wasn’t for the F’n Democrats we would have already been there. Sorry, it’s another of my many pet peeves. I’ve mentioned before, I became a Conservative in 1964, for many reasons and that’s one of them.


  70. vapig
    70 | July 30, 2010 22:33

    The Osprey wrote:

    vapig wrote:
    The Osprey wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    Space colonies of the type this guy is discussing have been in the planning stages by NASA engineers since the 1970′s when Gerard K O’Neil first originated the concept.
    And yet, because it’s in the hands of the government it’s gone – where? The shuttle was great – but it’s dead now and so is our space program.
    Shortsighted politicians like William Proxmire…a perpetual opponent of anything related to space exploration, may his name be cursed.

    It should have been put into the hands of the private industry. We’d have moonbases by now if we’d gone that route!


  71. 71 | July 30, 2010 22:33

    The motherland of the Latins!

    Italia!


  72. Lily
    72 | July 30, 2010 22:33

    @ Rodan:

    Oh I have a good vid for the ladies on the late night thread!
    *wiggling fingers in anticipation* …but waiting. :)


  73. 73 | July 30, 2010 22:33

    @ Bordm:

    Trust me I’d get off this planet asap!


  74. Philip_Daniel
    74 | July 30, 2010 22:33

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    How do you know so g—damn much about the muslims and the Koran and all that stuff? It’s like you were raised with it…

    A scientist is not “born” or “raised” with knowledge of particle physics or astrophysics…he studies these empirically…I spend some time excavating the texts on Salafi websites to understand all the aspects of their totalitarian dogma…


  75. savages_girl
    75 | July 30, 2010 22:33

    @ Rodan:

    Merengu de Santo Domingo!

    Hey Rodan!

    What are you drinking tonight?

    I’m having sangria with lobo… (tips her glass at ya)


  76. The Osprey
    76 | July 30, 2010 22:34

    @ vapig:

    Ironically, Obama may be the best friend private funded space exploration ever had…


  77. 77 | July 30, 2010 22:34

    Viva Colombia!


  78. savages_girl
    78 | July 30, 2010 22:34

    @ Lily:

    Oh wow! Date’s off then. Well you still have all of us here to keep you company.
    /hands wine glass out >>>>

    we’ve got a whole pitcher… can’t be drinking alone… join us!


  79. Bordm
    79 | July 30, 2010 22:34

    @ The Osprey:

    Shortsighted politicians like William Proxmire…a perpetual opponent of anything related to space exploration, may his name be cursed.

    Arrgh! I’d forgotten about that bastard. His name is and has been cursed here for many years. Another scumbag POS with no vision what so ever.


  80. lobo91
    80 | July 30, 2010 22:35

    @ savages_girl:

    1 bottle (750 ml) dry red wine
    1/4 cup triple sec
    1/4 cup brandy
    1/4 cup sugar
    1 apple, sliced thin
    1/2 orange ” ”
    1/2 lemon ” ”
    2 tbsp lime juice
    2 tbsp orange juice
    1 bottle (750 ml) sparkling water

    Mix everything except sparkling water together in a glass or plastic pitcher and refrigerate for several hours. Add sparkling water just prior to serving.


  81. Bagua
    81 | July 30, 2010 22:35

    Latin Lingo


    - Cypress Hill


  82. chickadee
    82 | July 30, 2010 22:35

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Bordm:

    It’s sad, we need to colonize space.

    Well, I’m not going. Even though I’m an air sign.
    I’m going to keep my feet on the dirt and my head in the clouds.


  83. savages_girl
    83 | July 30, 2010 22:35

    @ Lily:

    Oh I have a good vid for the ladies on the late night thread!

    Me too!


  84. Lily
    84 | July 30, 2010 22:36

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    How do you know so g—damn much about the muslims and the Koran and all that stuff? It’s like you were raised with it…

    Maybe reading lots of books….and hey sg! :)


  85. 85 | July 30, 2010 22:36

    @ savages_girl:

    I have to work early so I’m not drinking. I’m at my parents house. My Mom and Step Dad are drinking and blasting Spanish music!


  86. savages_girl
    86 | July 30, 2010 22:36

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    A scientist is not “born” or “raised” with knowledge of particle physics or astrophysics…he studies these empirically…I spend some time excavating the texts on Salafi websites to understand all the aspects of their totalitarian dogma…

    why are you so interested in knowing about them? Just curious…


  87. Lily
    87 | July 30, 2010 22:37

    @ savages_girl:

    So all the ladies need to hang around for party thread….
    we have the antidote to Metillica…… :)


  88. Philip_Daniel
    88 | July 30, 2010 22:37

    @ Rodan:

    Thought you might like some madrigal music by Claudio Monteverdi…

    When Latin culture reached its height in the Late Renaissance…


  89. 89 | July 30, 2010 22:37

    @ Bagua:

    Big Pun 100%!


  90. savages_girl
    90 | July 30, 2010 22:37

    @ Rodan:

    I’m at my parents house.

    Are they close to you? Where do they live? (has another sip of virtual sangria…)


  91. vapig
    91 | July 30, 2010 22:38

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    O/t but not much:
    Never give up our electoral college
    I know I’m in the minority here, but I think the electoral college is a bunch of crap.

    Believing that would have the coasts ruling this country with flyover having no say whatsoever because they have less population. LA, NY and SF WOULD RULE OUR WORLD! Our founders were genius in the electoral college!


  92. lobo91
    92 | July 30, 2010 22:38

    So far, so good…the Rockies just chased off the Cubs’ starting pitcher.

    It’s 4-0 in the bottom of the 5th, with the bases loaded and no outs.


  93. Philip_Daniel
    93 | July 30, 2010 22:38

    @ savages_girl:

    Because it’s the greatest single threat to everything I love…


  94. 94 | July 30, 2010 22:38

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    When Latin culture reached its height in the Late Renaissance…

    Yes and it lead to the greatest Latin power of all time!


  95. Bordm
    95 | July 30, 2010 22:38

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    An oldie but a goody; Why are there no Muslims on Star Trek?
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Because it takes place in the future!


  96. savages_girl
    96 | July 30, 2010 22:39

    @ lobo91:
    OOOOHHHH, NUMMMM!

    You make a lovely sangria!

    thanks for the recipe (as you know I am a “recipe-a-holic”).

    I will copy and paste it to my recipes file.


  97. Lily
    97 | July 30, 2010 22:40

    @ savages_girl:

    Well not to answer for Philip but I wondered why they did it.
    /to conquer thy enemy you must understand thy enemy.


  98. 98 | July 30, 2010 22:40

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    Exactly, you get it!


  99. lobo91
    99 | July 30, 2010 22:40

    Make that 5-0.

    Maybe I should give them some sangria, too…


  100. savages_girl
    100 | July 30, 2010 22:40

    @ Lily:

    we have the antidote to Metillica……

    Thank God and bless you my good woman! :)


  101. chickadee
    101 | July 30, 2010 22:41

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ savages_girl:

    1 bottle (750 ml) dry red wine
    1/4 cup triple sec
    1/4 cup brandy
    1/4 cup sugar
    1 apple, sliced thin
    1/2 orange ” ”
    1/2 lemon ” ”
    2 tbsp lime juice
    2 tbsp orange juice
    1 bottle (750 ml) sparkling water

    Mix everything except sparkling water together in a glass or plastic pitcher and refrigerate for several hours. Add sparkling water just prior to serving.

    WOW, that sounds great. How refreshing and with all the fruit, clearly it is a health drink.
    Ok, I’m holding out my empty glass for a sip of that nectar.


  102. vapig
    102 | July 30, 2010 22:41

    The Osprey wrote:

    @ vapig:
    Ironically, Obama may be the best friend private funded space exploration ever had…

    The Brits are doing more than us in the private sector. But don’t we – in the US – have stupid laws preventing space exploration by the private sector? I mean – wouldn’t it have been done?


  103. Lily
    103 | July 30, 2010 22:43

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Oh wow! Date’s off then. Well you still have all of us here to keep you company.
    /hands wine glass out >>>>
    we’ve got a whole pitcher… can’t be drinking alone… join us!

    He didn’t pour any in my virtual wine glass.
    /I so feel snubbed! ;)


  104. lobo91
    104 | July 30, 2010 22:43

    @ vapig:

    The Brits are doing more than us in the private sector. But don’t we – in the US – have stupid laws preventing space exploration by the private sector? I mean – wouldn’t it have been done?

    Nope.

    There are people working on it right now.


  105. vapig
    105 | July 30, 2010 22:43

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    A scientist is not “born” or “raised” with knowledge of particle physics or astrophysics…he studies these empirically…I spend some time excavating the texts on Salafi websites to understand all the aspects of their totalitarian dogma…
    why are you so interested in knowing about them? Just curious…

    Know thy enemy!


  106. Bordm
    106 | July 30, 2010 22:43

    @ savages_girl:

    I know I’m in the minority here, but I think the electoral college is a bunch of crap.

    The electoral college guarantees our concept of a representative republic. A pure democracy is a suicide pact and the founders knew it.


  107. lobo91
    107 | July 30, 2010 22:44

    @ Lily:

    It’s on the table next to you…


  108. savages_girl
    108 | July 30, 2010 22:44

    @ vapig:

    Believing that would have the coasts ruling this country with flyover having no say whatsoever because they have less population.

    So the electoral college is a way of “leveling the playing field” so to speak?


  109. 109 | July 30, 2010 22:45

    @ savages_girl:

    They are a half hour away!


  110. lobo91
    110 | July 30, 2010 22:45

    @ Bordm:

    The electoral college guarantees our concept of a representative republic. A pure democracy is a suicide pact and the founders knew it.

    And they didn’t even know about San Francisco or Seattle yet…


  111. Lily
    111 | July 30, 2010 22:45

    @ chickadee:

    There is also Jungle Juice…made with crystal clear with lots of fruits and if you get the fruit slices the next day..you’ll get just as tipsy. :)


  112. vapig
    112 | July 30, 2010 22:45

    @ Rodan:

    Is there anything American that you love?


  113. Bagua
    113 | July 30, 2010 22:45

    Dime Porque


    - Reggae Sam


  114. 114 | July 30, 2010 22:45

    Para mi Primos Mexicano!


  115. vapig
    115 | July 30, 2010 22:46

    Bordm wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    An oldie but a goody; Why are there no Muslims on Star Trek?
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Because it takes place in the future!

    Good one!


  116. Lily
    116 | July 30, 2010 22:46

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It’s on the table next to you…

    I didn’t see it….thank you…hmmmmmm very good. :)


  117. m
    117 | July 30, 2010 22:46

    @ savages_girl:

    He has forgotten more than we’ll ever know, lol!

    I want to learn so I can tell the bullshit from the real, and the duped from the complicit in the imperialist ideology/religion/life coach in a box known as islam.


  118. savages_girl
    118 | July 30, 2010 22:46

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    Because it’s the greatest single threat to everything I love…

    Hmmmm, well that makes sense.

    I never even heard much about Muslims or gave them much thought until I started reading this blog. Wasn’t even in my realm of thought…


  119. lobo91
    119 | July 30, 2010 22:46

    Lily wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    There is also Jungle Juice…made with crystal clear with lots of fruits and if you get the fruit slices the next day..you’ll get just as tipsy.

    I think you meant Everclear.

    Crystal clear sounds like a floor polish…


  120. Philip_Daniel
    120 | July 30, 2010 22:46

    Scott Ross Plays Scarlatti And Soler


  121. savages_girl
    121 | July 30, 2010 22:48

    @ lobo91:

    So far, so good…the Rockies just chased off the Cubs’ starting pitcher.

    It’s 4-0 in the bottom of the 5th, with the bases loaded and no outs.

    Yoo-Hoo! (raises wine glass in the air)

    Go Rockies!

    (more sangria please…holds glass out to you…)


  122. Bordm
    122 | July 30, 2010 22:48

    vapig wrote:

    savages_girl wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    O/t but not much:
    Never give up our electoral college
    I know I’m in the minority here, but I think the electoral college is a bunch of crap.
    Believing that would have the coasts ruling this country with flyover having no say whatsoever because they have less population. LA, NY and SF WOULD RULE OUR WORLD! Our founders were genius in the electoral college!

    Gold star for you!


  123. vapig
    123 | July 30, 2010 22:48

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ vapig:
    The Brits are doing more than us in the private sector. But don’t we – in the US – have stupid laws preventing space exploration by the private sector? I mean – wouldn’t it have been done?
    Nope.
    There are people working on it right now.

    Seriously? That warms the heart, actually.


  124. Lily
    124 | July 30, 2010 22:48

    @ vapig:

    Bread and butter! Said the same thing. :)


  125. 125 | July 30, 2010 22:48

    @ Bagua:

    Don Omar! Reggaeton Latino


  126. vapig
    126 | July 30, 2010 22:49

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ vapig:
    Believing that would have the coasts ruling this country with flyover having no say whatsoever because they have less population.
    So the electoral college is a way of “leveling the playing field” so to speak?

    Yep!


  127. lobo91
    127 | July 30, 2010 22:49

    @ vapig:

    Somebody’s trying to build a commercial spaceport in southern NM, too.


  128. savages_girl
    128 | July 30, 2010 22:49

    @ chickadee:

    WOW, that sounds great. How refreshing and with all the fruit, clearly it is a health drink.
    Ok, I’m holding out my empty glass for a sip of that nectar.

    Lobo may have to make another pitcher!

    (hold out your glass—i’ll pour)


  129. Lily
    129 | July 30, 2010 22:50

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah….don’t drink much must have been the wine! ;)


  130. waldensianspirit
    130 | July 30, 2010 22:50

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Test: What is the foundation stone of islam?


  131. Bagua
    131 | July 30, 2010 22:50

    Go Deh Yaka


    - Manoyaka


  132. 132 | July 30, 2010 22:50

    @ m:

    My ancestors fought Islam for 700 years! Then we stopped the Turks from talking Europe in the 1500′s, while other Europeans shitted their pants at the Turks. Defeating Islam is in our blood.


  133. savages_girl
    133 | July 30, 2010 22:50

    @ Lily:

    He didn’t pour any in my virtual wine glass.
    /I so feel snubbed!

    thought we already poured you a glass…

    we need another pitcher because we all must have at least 2 glasses of lobo’s sangria


  134. 134 | July 30, 2010 22:51

    @ waldensianspirit:

    What is the foundation stone of islam?

    Crack-Cocaine!

    :lol:


  135. vapig
    135 | July 30, 2010 22:51

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ vapig:
    Somebody’s trying to build a commercial spaceport in southern NM, too.

    Cool!


  136. Lily
    136 | July 30, 2010 22:52

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Because it’s the greatest single threat to everything I love…
    Hmmmm, well that makes sense.
    I never even heard much about Muslims or gave them much thought until I started reading this blog. Wasn’t even in my realm of thought…

    Not even when 9/11 happened? That woke me up.


  137. savages_girl
    137 | July 30, 2010 22:52

    @ lobo91:

    The electoral college guarantees our concept of a representative republic. A pure democracy is a suicide pact and the founders knew it.

    And they didn’t even know about San Francisco or Seattle yet…

    Hey, hey, hey!

    Now why would you pick on Seattle when I’m sittin’ here drinkin’ with ya? ;)


  138. Lily
    138 | July 30, 2010 22:53

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    He didn’t pour any in my virtual wine glass.
    /I so feel snubbed!
    thought we already poured you a glass…
    we need another pitcher because we all must have at least 2 glasses of lobo’s sangria

    He did and I didn’t see it. We have to get ready for the party thread.
    :)


  139. 139 | July 30, 2010 22:53

    @ Bagua:

    Welcome to Jamrock!


  140. 140 | July 30, 2010 22:54

    @ Lily:

    I hated Islam since I was 5, when I was taught about it!


  141. chickadee
    141 | July 30, 2010 22:54

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    WOW, that sounds great. How refreshing and with all the fruit, clearly it is a health drink.
    Ok, I’m holding out my empty glass for a sip of that nectar.

    Lobo may have to make another pitcher!

    (hold out your glass—i’ll pour)

    OK, I just rinsed out my glass. I was drinking a beer.


  142. savages_girl
    142 | July 30, 2010 22:54

    @ m:
    Hola M! {M}

    Care to join us for a little sangria?


  143. vapig
    143 | July 30, 2010 22:55

    Rodan wrote:

    @ m:
    My ancestors fought Islam for 700 years! Then we stopped the Turks from talking Europe in the 1500′s, while other Europeans shitted their pants at the Turks. Defeating Islam is in our blood.

    Not anymore. Spain is in as much danger as the rest of Europe. Progs are their own enemy.

    I’m still annoyed with you and I wonder if you have any American sympathies. We are all ethnic in our backgrounds – but we are Americans here!


  144. lobo91
    144 | July 30, 2010 22:55

    @ savages_girl:

    Hey, hey, hey!

    Now why would you pick on Seattle when I’m sittin’ here drinkin’ with ya?

    An odd question from someone whose Congressman should have switched his party registration from Democrat to Ba’ath…


  145. Philip_Daniel
    145 | July 30, 2010 22:55

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Test: What is the foundation stone of islam?

    “The head of the affair is Islam, its central pillar is the salat and its summit is the jihad.”–Sheikh ibn Taymiyyah

    So I’d say that while jihad is the peak, Shari’a is the foundation…


  146. MrPaulRevere
    146 | July 30, 2010 22:55

    Breaking news: BREAKING: Israel Responds to Hamas Rocket Attack With Gaza Air Strikes RS McCain has a good round up: http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/30/breaking-israel-responds-to-hamas-rocket-attack-with-gaza-air-strikes/comment-page-1/#comment-26008


  147. savages_girl
    147 | July 30, 2010 22:56

    @ lobo91:

    @ chickadee:
    There is also Jungle Juice…made with crystal clear with lots of fruits and if you get the fruit slices the next day..you’ll get just as tipsy.

    I think you meant Everclear.

    Crystal clear sounds like a floor polish…

    Yes, made with Everclear. I’ve heard about that (people spiking big ol’ watermelon and other fruits with Everclear. I’ve never had it. I bet it would knock me on my ass!

    I was told they can’t sell Everclear here in Seattle (or the state of WA) but I could swear I’ve seen it in my liquor store… (haven’t been there in a while though)


  148. vapig
    148 | July 30, 2010 22:56

    Lily wrote:

    savages_girl wrote:
    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Because it’s the greatest single threat to everything I love…
    Hmmmm, well that makes sense.
    I never even heard much about Muslims or gave them much thought until I started reading this blog. Wasn’t even in my realm of thought…
    Not even when 9/11 happened? That woke me up.

    Ditto! Didn’t know squat about islaim before then. Now I know they are the enemy. Every last single one of them!


  149. Bagua
    149 | July 30, 2010 22:57

    @ Rodan:

    Cheers. I’ve always had an elitist bias for Jamaican Reggae. I need to hear more like you posted.


  150. Lily
    150 | July 30, 2010 22:57

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    we have the antidote to Metillica……
    Thank God and bless you my good woman!

    Oh yeah can’t wait for Bunk’s party thread!


  151. chickadee
    151 | July 30, 2010 22:57

    Rodan wrote:

    @ m:

    My ancestors fought Islam for 700 years! Then we stopped the Turks from talking Europe in the 1500′s, while other Europeans shitted their pants at the Turks. Defeating Islam is in our blood.

    I was talking to a Spanish couple today. They were such lib socialists, I’m sure my frown telegraphed my disappointment. When she talked abt. the conquest of Spain she called them Arabs . . . not moslims.
    I did correct her.


  152. Lily
    152 | July 30, 2010 22:59

    @ vapig:

    I made it a point to find out why in the hell they would kill
    3000 Americans. And civilians at that. That day is burned into my memory forever.


  153. lobo91
    153 | July 30, 2010 22:59

    @ vapig:

    I’m still annoyed with you and I wonder if you have any American sympathies. We are all ethnic in our backgrounds – but we are Americans here!

    Even the Rockies are multi-ethnic:


  154. 154 | July 30, 2010 22:59

    vapig wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Is there anything American that you love?

    So Hispanics can’t be American?

    Explain what you mean by American.

    Come on tell me.

    Irish-Americans are proud of theirs, Italian-Americans, theirs, Jewish-Americans their Yet I bet you don’t bitch about that.

    Grandpa fought WWII/Korea
    Dad Vietnam
    Cousin Iraq.

    I want America to smash Islam.

    Want to test my loyalty b ring It on I’m game.

    Bring it!


  155. lobo91
    155 | July 30, 2010 23:01

    If I ever get to meet Troy Tulowitzki, I’m going to have to ask him why he has a Miley Cyrus song for his walk-up song…


  156. Lily
    156 | July 30, 2010 23:01

    @ chickadee:

    Had an othropedic doctor appt today and to my surprise Foxnews was on their TV’s………


  157. Bagua
    157 | July 30, 2010 23:01

    @ Rodan:

    Heh! I posted that dozens of times at my prior gig. But that one you posted is the censored version, hardly appropriate. “Out in the street, they call it murder censored” misses the mark.

    Welcome To Jamrock -- full version


    - Damian Marley

    Censorship sucks!


  158. savages_girl
    158 | July 30, 2010 23:01

    @ Lily:

    I never even heard much about Muslims or gave them much thought until I started reading this blog. Wasn’t even in my realm of thought…

    Not even when 9/11 happened? That woke me up.

    Well, when that happened I thought we ought to get that bastard Bin Laden and all his henchmen and lay his ass to waste. I can’t believe we still haven’t accomplished this goal of “capturing” Bin Laden. And I think Bush got us into a war on the pretext of going to get Bin Laden and then never did. He either lied or lost sight of the goal.

    Yeah, 9/11 – I never thought something like that would ever happen in my country… That was a wake-up call…


  159. m
    159 | July 30, 2010 23:02

    @ Lily:

    We call that (the everclear version) PJ. The fruit is the best part!


  160. lobo91
    160 | July 30, 2010 23:02

    Lily wrote:

    @ vapig:
    I made it a point to find out why in the hell they would kill
    3000 Americans. And civilians at that. That day is burned into my memory forever.

    According to bin Laden, they get to kill a couple million American kids, too.


  161. vapig
    161 | July 30, 2010 23:02

    MrPaulRevere wrote:

    Breaking news: BREAKING: Israel Responds to Hamas Rocket Attack With Gaza Air Strikes RS McCain has a good round up: http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/30/breaking-israel-responds-to-hamas-rocket-attack-with-gaza-air-strikes/comment-page-1/#comment-26008

    AND the western world pisses and moans and whines about disproportionate response in 3…2…1…


  162. snork
    162 | July 30, 2010 23:03

    Attention admins: Bunk’s toilet thread needs scheduling…


  163. chickadee
    163 | July 30, 2010 23:04

    Lily wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    Had an othropedic doctor appt today and to my surprise Foxnews was on their TV’s………

    That is great news. Usually in a public setting of that nature the tv is set on CNN.
    How encouraging to hear this.


  164. lobo91
    164 | July 30, 2010 23:04

    @ savages_girl:

    Yeah, 9/11 – I never thought something like that would ever happen in my country… That was a wake-up call…

    I was surprised it took so long…


  165. savages_girl
    165 | July 30, 2010 23:04

    @ lobo91:

    An odd question from someone whose Congressman should have switched his party registration from Democrat to Ba’ath…

    harsh… and here I thought we were friends… (slugs down more sangria)…


  166. Bordm
    166 | July 30, 2010 23:05

    @ lobo91:

    And they didn’t even know about San Francisco or Seattle yet…

    True, but they had studied history and were familiar with the classic literature of that made up Western Civilization at that time. Jefferson obtained a copy of the Koran to read, so he could understand the motivation of the Barbary Pirates. We have elected representatives today, who couldn’t find their asses with both hands and a flashlight, much less debate the Federalist Papers


  167. Philip_Daniel
    167 | July 30, 2010 23:05

    chickadee wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ m:
    My ancestors fought Islam for 700 years! Then we stopped the Turks from talking Europe in the 1500′s, while other Europeans shitted their pants at the Turks. Defeating Islam is in our blood.

    I was talking to a Spanish couple today. They were such lib socialists, I’m sure my frown telegraphed my disappointment. When she talked abt. the conquest of Spain she called them Arabs . . . not moslims.
    I did correct her.

    Tariq ibn Ziyad was a Berber, and some of the most fanatical and genocidal regimes in Andalusia were Berber (Almoravid, Almohad).


  168. lobo91
    168 | July 30, 2010 23:05

    @ savages_girl:

    I’m sure you didn’t vote for him.

    But you know what I’m talking about…


  169. Lily
    169 | July 30, 2010 23:05

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    @ chickadee:
    There is also Jungle Juice…made with crystal clear with lots of fruits and if you get the fruit slices the next day..you’ll get just as tipsy.
    I think you meant Everclear.
    Crystal clear sounds like a floor polish…
    Yes, made with Everclear. I’ve heard about that (people spiking big ol’ watermelon and other fruits with Everclear. I’ve never had it. I bet it would knock me on my ass!
    I was told they can’t sell Everclear here in Seattle (or the state of WA) but I could swear I’ve seen it in my liquor store… (haven’t been there in a while though)

    Never heard of watermelon in it….I made for a Halloween party in my 20′s called it Witches Brew and had it in a caldron….tastes like punch…and if you eat the fruit that has soaked in it the next day…
    wow..


  170. chickadee
    170 | July 30, 2010 23:07

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    Aren’t they muzz?


  171. lobo91
    171 | July 30, 2010 23:07

    @ Bordm:

    We have elected representatives today, who couldn’t find their asses with both hands and a flashlight, much less debate the Federalist Papers

    Most of them probably wouldn’t recognize the Constitution, much less the Federalist Papers.

    Never mind the fact that they took an oath to support and defend it…


  172. Lily
    172 | July 30, 2010 23:07

    chickadee wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ chickadee:
    Had an othropedic doctor appt today and to my surprise Foxnews was on their TV’s………
    That is great news. Usually in a public setting of that nature the tv is set on CNN.
    How encouraging to hear this.

    Yeah I know….I’m Louisiana no love for the bho.


  173. Bagua
    173 | July 30, 2010 23:07

    vapig wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Is there anything American that you love?

    For my part I love American music as well. Just spinning on the Latin vibe tonight.

    tatanaka

    - Manantial


  174. savages_girl
    174 | July 30, 2010 23:08

    The smell of my downstair’s neighbor’s BBQ just wafted through my apartment…


  175. lobo91
    175 | July 30, 2010 23:08

    @ Lily:

    She was talking about people putting Everclear into a watermelon, not the other way around…


  176. Lily
    176 | July 30, 2010 23:09

    snork wrote:

    Attention admins: Bunk’s toilet thread needs scheduling…

    Oh yeah……. ;)


  177. Philip_Daniel
    177 | July 30, 2010 23:10

    chickadee wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Aren’t they muzz?

    Yup. Maliki madh’hab (most rigorous of the four Sunni madhaheb, i.e. schools of fiqh, i.e. jurisprudence)…


  178. lobo91
    178 | July 30, 2010 23:10

    savages_girl wrote:

    The smell of my downstair’s neighbor’s BBQ just wafted through my apartment…

    My grill is still out of commission.

    The parts I ordered finally came, but they don’t fit.


  179. 179 | July 30, 2010 23:11

    Night all!


  180. waldensianspirit
    180 | July 30, 2010 23:11

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    There is only one foundation stone of islam and it is the “anti-matter” to the foundation stone of Christianity. Remove belief in it from the mind of any muslim and they will cease to be muslim and thus free them instantly from slavery. The foundation stone of islam is that Jesus was never crucified; that allah out schemed the disciples of Christ and faked the crucifixion. It’s written in the quran.


  181. Philip_Daniel
    181 | July 30, 2010 23:11

    Bordm wrote:

    @ savages_girl:
    I know I’m in the minority here, but I think the electoral college is a bunch of crap.
    The electoral college guarantees our concept of a representative republic. A pure democracy is a suicide pact and the founders knew it.


  182. savages_girl
    182 | July 30, 2010 23:11

    @ lobo91:
    OK, taking my virtual sangria and moving on to the Overnight Thread… see ya there…

    What’s the score of the game now?


  183. Lily
    183 | July 30, 2010 23:11

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    She was talking about people putting Everclear into a watermelon, not the other way around…

    Yeah I know..just never heard of it being put in a watemelon.
    /but consider the source here I called it crystal clear…
    what a dumb bunny here….

    >>>>hands out glass may I have another please?


  184. vapig
    184 | July 30, 2010 23:11

    Rodan wrote:

    vapig wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Is there anything American that you love?
    So Hispanics can’t be American?
    Explain what you mean by American.
    Come on tell me.
    Irish-Americans are proud of theirs, Italian-Americans, theirs, Jewish-Americans their Yet I bet you don’t bitch about that.
    Grandpa fought WWII/Korea
    Dad Vietnam
    Cousin Iraq.
    I want America to smash Islam.
    Want to test my loyalty b ring It on I’m game.
    Bring it!

    Dude – you obsesse about being latin! Fine! We are a melting pot here not a f-ing tribal thing. My people have been here 400 years and thousands! I don’t go on and on and on about being Indian!!! Or a f-ing DAR! My people have fought in ALL our wars (so back off bucko!) I just get tired of you hi-jacking threads like someone else we’ve spoken of! We are all Americans and have ethnicity. You seem to define yourself by yours – I do not. I AM AN AMERICAN!!!!


  185. chickadee
    185 | July 30, 2010 23:12

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    You bring a lot to this blog.


  186. lobo91
    186 | July 30, 2010 23:13

    @ Lily:

    Certainly!


  187. savages_girl
    187 | July 30, 2010 23:14

    @ lobo91:

    My grill is still out of commission.

    I didn’t know your grill was not in working order.

    That’s the nice thing about a Weber kettle grill – it never is out of commission as long as you have charcoal… :)


  188. lobo91
    188 | July 30, 2010 23:14

    @ savages_girl:

    What’s the score of the game now?

    5-2, bottom of the 7th.


  189. vapig
    189 | July 30, 2010 23:15

    @ savages_girl:

    You’ve been filled with propaganda! Bush didn’t lie. I’m not defending the guy – he wasn’t my fav pres – but he never lied.


  190. lobo91
    190 | July 30, 2010 23:16

    @ savages_girl:

    Mine is gas. I prefer it, for the heat control.

    And I love the infrared burner for the rotisserie.

    I’m going to have to modify the parts they sent me, since the right ones don’t seem to exist.


  191. vapig
    191 | July 30, 2010 23:16

    @ savages_girl:

    Oh – BTW – Khalid Sheik Mohammed was the mastermind and Bin Laden onlky “Blessed” the plans. We got the sheik and I believed bin laden is dead.


  192. waldensianspirit
    192 | July 30, 2010 23:18

    @ vapig:
    bin Laden is in Iran


  193. vapig
    193 | July 30, 2010 23:18

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ vapig:
    I made it a point to find out why in the hell they would kill
    3000 Americans. And civilians at that. That day is burned into my memory forever.
    According to bin Laden, they get to kill a couple million American kids, too.

    Actually, they want to kill about 30 million of us. 10% of our population.


  194. vapig
    194 | July 30, 2010 23:19

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ vapig:
    bin Laden is in Iran

    Doubt it – he’s dead. There would be “new” tapes if he was alive.


  195. waldensianspirit
    195 | July 30, 2010 23:20

    @ vapig:
    His family is there. He is there and is out of the vlog routine these days


  196. lobo91
    196 | July 30, 2010 23:21

    @ vapig:

    Actually, they want to kill about 30 million of us. 10% of our population.

    I’m sure he’d be happy to see us all dead.

    I’m referring to a specific claim he’s made, though. He blames us for the moonbat claim that 2-3 million Iraqi children died during the post-Desert Storm sanction period. He says that they get to kill an equal number of American children in response.


  197. mjazz
    197 | July 30, 2010 23:22

    @ waldensianspirit:
    The Bible says:
    But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed.
    That’s what moham saw, an angel.


  198. lobo91
    198 | July 30, 2010 23:25

    mjazz wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    The Bible says:
    But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed.
    That’s what moham saw, an angel.

    I’m pretty sure it was halucinations resulting from epileptic seizures.


  199. Philip_Daniel
    199 | July 30, 2010 23:26

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    The foundation stone of islam is that Jesus was never crucified; that allah out schemed the disciples of Christ and faked the crucifixion. It’s written in the quran.

    From ibn Kathir’s Tafsir

    “Altering the Religion of `Isa

    Allah said,

    [وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ]

    (And purify [save] you from those who disbelieve) by raising you to heaven,

    [وَجَاعِلُ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوكَ فَوْقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَـمَةِ]

    (And I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection)

    This is what happened. When Allah raised `Isa to heaven, his followers divided into sects and groups. Some of them believed in what Allah sent `Isa as, a servant of Allah, His Messenger, and the son of His female-servant.

    However, some of them went to the extreme over `Isa, believing that he was the son of Allah. Some of them said that `Isa was Allah Himself, while others said that he was one of a Trinity. Allah mentioned these false creeds in the Qur’an and refuted them. The Christians remained like this until the third century CE, when a Greek king called, Constantine, became a Christian for the purpose of destroying Christianity. Constantine was either a philosopher, or he was just plain ignorant. Constantine changed the religion of `Isa by adding to it and deleting from it. He established the rituals of Christianity and the so-called Great Trust, which is in fact the Great Treachery. He also allowed them to eat the meat of swine, changed the direction of the prayer that `Isa established to the east, built churches for `Isa, and added ten days to the fast as compensation for a sin that he committed, as claimed. So the religion of `Isa became the religion of Constantine, who built more then twelve thousand churches, temples and monasteries for the Christians as well as the city that bears his name, Constantinople (Istanbul). Throughout this time, the Christians had the upper hand and dominated the Jews. Allah aided them against the Jews because they used to be closer to the truth than the Jews, even though both groups were and still are disbelievers, may Allah’s curse descend on them.

    When Allah sent Muhammad , those who believed in him also believed in Allah, His Angels, Books and Messengers in the correct manner. So they were the true followers of every Prophet who came to earth. They believed in the unlettered Prophet , the Final Messenger and the master of all mankind, who called them to believe in the truth in its entirety. This is why they had more right to every Prophet than his own nation, especially those who claim to follow their Prophet’s way and religion, yet change and alter his religion. Furthermore, Allah abrogated all the laws that were sent down to the Prophets with the Law He sent Muhammad with, which consists of the true religion that shall never change or be altered until the commencement of the Last Hour. Muhammad’s religion shall always be dominant and victorious over all other religions. This is why Allah allowed Muslims to conquer the eastern and western parts of the world and the kingdoms of the earth. Furthermore, all countries submitted to them; they demolished Kisra (king of Persia) and destroyed the Czar, ridding them of their treasures and spending these treasures for Allah’s sake. All this occurred just as their Prophet told them it would, when he conveyed Allah’s statement,

    [وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ ءامَنُواْ مِنْكُمْ وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّـلِحَاتِ لَيَسْتَخْلِفَنَّهُمْ فِى الاْرْضِ كَمَا اسْتَخْلَفَ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِمْ وَلَيُمَكّنَنَّ لَهُمْ دِينَهُمُ الَّذِى ارْتَضَى لَهُمْ وَلَيُبَدّلَنَّهُمْ مّن بَعْدِ خَوْفِهِمْ أَمْناً يَعْبُدُونَنِى لاَ يُشْرِكُونَ بِى شَيْئاً]

    (Allah has promised those among you who believe and do righteous good deeds, that He will certainly grant them succession in the land, as He granted it to those before them, and that He will grant them the authority to practice their religion which He has chosen for them. And He will surely give them in exchange a safe security after their fear (provided) they worship Me and do not associate anything with Me.) [24:55].

    Therefore, Muslims are the true believers in `Isa. The Muslims then acquired Ash-Sham from the Christians, causing them to evacuate to Asia Minor, to their fortified city in Constantinople. The Muslims will be above them until the Day of Resurrection. Indeed, he, Muhammad , who is truthful and who received the true news, has conveyed to Muslims that they will conquer Constantinople in the future, and seize its treasures.“–Tafsir ibn Kathir “Surah al-Imran [Q 3]“

    In a related vein, from the same exegetical text…

    “Allah gives Victory to the Believing Group

    Allah said,

    [فَأَيَّدْنَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ عَلَى عَدُوِّهِمْ]

    (So, We gave power to those who believed against their enemies,) that is, `We gave them victory over the group of Christians which defied them,’

    [فَأَصْبَحُواْ ظَـهِرِينَ]

    (and they became the victorious (uppermost).) `over the disbelieving group, when We sent Muhammad.’ Imam Abu Ja`far bin Jarir At-Tabari reported that Ibn `Abbas said, “When Allah decided to raise `Isa to heaven, `Isa went to his companions while drops of water were dripping from his head. At that time, there were twelve men at the house. `Isa said to them, `Some of you will disbelieve in me twelve times after having believed in me.’ He then asked, `Who among you volunteers that he be made to resemble me and be killed instead of me; he will be with me in my place (in Paradise).’ One of the youngest men present volunteered, but `Isa commanded him to sit down. `Isa repeated his statement and the young man again stood up and volunteered, and `Isa again told him to sit down. `Isa repeated the same statement and the young man volunteered. This time, `Isa said, `Then it will be you.’ The appearance of `Isa was cast upon that young man, while `Isa, peace be on him, was raised to heaven through an opening in the roof of the house. The Jews came looking for `Isa and arrested the one that appeared as him, killing him by crucifixion. Some of them disbelieved in `Isa twelve times, after they had believed in him. They divided into three groups. One group, Al-Ya`qubiyyah (the Jacobites), said, `Allah remained with us as much as He willed and then ascended to heaven.’ Another group, An-Nasturiyyah (the Nestorians), said, `Allah’s son remained with us as much as Allah willed and He then raised him up to heaven.’ A third group said, `Allah’s servant and Messenger remained with us as much as Allah willed and then Allah raised him up to Him.’ The last group was the Muslim group. The two disbelieving groups collaborated against the Muslim group and annihilated it. Islam remained unjustly concealed until Allah sent Muhammad ,

    [فَـَامَنَت طَّآئِفَةٌ مِّن بَنِى إِسْرَءِيلَ وَكَفَرَت طَّآئِفَةٌ]

    (Then a group of the Children of Israel believed and a group disbelieved.) This Ayah refers to the group among the Children of Israel that disbelieved and the group that believed, during the time of `Isa,

    [فَأَيَّدْنَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ عَلَى عَدُوِّهِمْ فَأَصْبَحُواْ ظَـهِرِينَ]

    (So, We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, and they became the victorious (uppermost).) through the victory that Muhammad gained over the religion of the disbelievers, which brought the dominance of their religion.” This is the wording in his book for the Tafsir of this honorable Ayah. Similarly, An-Nasa’i collected this statement of Ibn `Abbas in his Sunan. Therefore, the Ummah of Muhammad will always be prevalent on the truth until Allah’s command (the Final Hour) commences, while they are on this path. The last group of them will fight against Ad-Dajjal along with `Isa, peace be on him, according to Hadiths in the authentic collections. This is the end of the Tafsir of Surat As-Saff. All praise and thanks are due to Allah.“–Tafsir ibn Kathir “Surah As-Saff [Q 61]”


  200. vapig
    200 | July 30, 2010 23:27

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ vapig:
    Actually, they want to kill about 30 million of us. 10% of our population.
    I’m sure he’d be happy to see us all dead.
    I’m referring to a specific claim he’s made, though. He blames us for the moonbat claim that 2-3 million Iraqi children died during the post-Desert Storm sanction period. He says that they get to kill an equal number of American children in response.

    The 10% percent is some bogus claim that we financed people who killed them and they get to retaliate. It’s g=just more grievance for their own failed religion.


  201. waldensianspirit
    201 | July 30, 2010 23:28

    @ lobo91:
    epilepsy isn’t the culprit and never has been


  202. vapig
    202 | July 30, 2010 23:29

    mjazz wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    The Bible says:
    But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed.
    That’s what moham saw, an angel.

    Mo-ham-head said the “angel” grabbed him by the throat and raided him off the ground. Sounds more like a demon to me. Mo is stans agent, not God’s!


  203. Philip_Daniel
    203 | July 30, 2010 23:29

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m referring to a specific claim he’s made, though. He blames us for the moonbat claim that 2-3 million Iraqi children died during the post-Desert Storm sanction period. He says that they get to kill an equal number of American children in response.

    Osama bin Laden is a good friend of Omar al-Bashir, the man responsible for the killing of 2.5 million Christian Sudanese in southern Sudan and half a million black Muslims in Darfur…

    “Does Islam or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam; either willing submission; or payment of the jizya, through physical, though not spiritual, submission to the authority of Islam; or the sword – for it is not right to let the infidel live. The matter is summed up for every person alive: Either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam; or die.”–Osama bin Laden, Moderate Islam is a Prostration to the West, reproduced in The Al-Qaeda Reader edited by Raymond Ibrahim p. 42

    “In fact, Muslims are obligated to raid the lands of the infidels, occupy them and exchange their systems of governance for an Islamic system, barring any practice that contradicts the Sharia from being publicly voiced among the people.”–Osama bin Laden, Moderate Islam is a Prostration to the West, reproduced in The Al-Qaeda Reader edited by Raymond Ibrahim p. 51


  204. vapig
    204 | July 30, 2010 23:30

    raided = raised!


  205. vapig
    205 | July 30, 2010 23:31

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    Well, you know that they say they love death more than we love life. Nothing to say they mean THEIR death! They just love to kill people!


  206. 206 | July 30, 2010 23:34

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    My grill is still out of commission.
    I didn’t know your grill was not in working order.
    That’s the nice thing about a Weber kettle grill – it never is out of commission as long as you have charcoal…

    We have one of their little tabletoop kettle grills and keep it in our motorhome. It’ll feed 3 or 4 people if we get it going.


  207. lobo91
    207 | July 30, 2010 23:36

    @ vapig:

    Mo-ham-head said the “angel” grabbed him by the throat and raided him off the ground. Sounds more like a demon to me. Mo is stans agent, not God’s!

    I’ve always figured there were three basic possibilities:

    1) He was your basic cult leader/charlatan, who just made up a bunch of crap;

    2) He suffered from some form of mental illness and hallucinated the whole thing;

    3) The “Angel Gabriel” who supposedly visited him was actually a demonic presence of some sort.

    I have no idea which is correct. I also don’t particularly care, as long as they knock their shit off and leave us alone.


  208. waldensianspirit
    208 | July 30, 2010 23:38

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Yes and tie that with:

    Qur’an 4:157 “‘We [Jews] killed the Messiah, Jesus,’ but they killed him not, nor crucified him. It appeared so to them (as the resemblance of Jesus was put over another man and they killed that man). Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself. Those who differ with this version are full of doubts. They have no knowledge and follow nothing but conjecture. For surely they killed him not.

    Qur’an 3:54 [Another translation reads:] “‘Lord, we believe in Your revelations [the Torah and Gospels] and follow this Apostle [Jesus]. Enroll us among the witnesses.’ But the Christians contrived a plot and Allah did the same; but Allah’s plot was the best.” [A third translation says that "they" refers to "disbelievers," not the disciples and they plotted to kill Jesus.] “And they (disbelievers) plotted (to kill Isa [Jesus]) and Allah plotted too.”
    Qur’an 3:55 “Allah said, ‘Jesus, I will take you and raise you to Myself and rid you of the infidels (who have forged the lie that you are My son)…. Those who are infidels will surely receive severe torment both in this world and the next; and none will they have as a savior for them.” [Interesting, considering...] Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who say; ‘God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.” Qur’an 3:55 [Another translation reads:] “Behold! Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow you superior to those who reject faith. Then shall you all return unto me, and I will judge between you on the matters wherein you dispute.” [Another:] “(Remember) when Allah said: ‘Jesus! Lo! I am gathering you and causing you to ascend unto Me. I am cleansing you of those who disbelieve.” [A fourth reads:] “When Allah said: ‘Jesus, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve…. I will decide between you concerning that which you differed.”


  209. 209 | July 30, 2010 23:39

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ vapig:
    His family is there. He is there and is out of the vlog routine these days

    I still want to see his body (preferably deceased) and get a DNA test for positive ID.


  210. 210 | July 30, 2010 23:40

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ vapig:
    Mo-ham-head said the “angel” grabbed him by the throat and raided him off the ground. Sounds more like a demon to me. Mo is stans agent, not God’s!
    I’ve always figured there were three basic possibilities:
    1) He was your basic cult leader/charlatan, who just made up a bunch of crap;
    2) He suffered from some form of mental illness and hallucinated the whole thing;
    3) The “Angel Gabriel” who supposedly visited him was actually a demonic presence of some sort.
    I have no idea which is correct. I also don’t particularly care, as long as they knock their shit off and leave us alone.

    I am not at all sure that your alternatives are mutually exclusive.


  211. lobo91
    211 | July 30, 2010 23:44

    @ 1389AD:

    I am not at all sure that your alternatives are mutually exclusive.

    Of course, that’s true too…


  212. lobo91
    212 | July 30, 2010 23:45

    The one thing I am sure of, though, is that the God of Abraham had nothing to do with it…


  213. 213 | July 30, 2010 23:47

    lobo91 wrote:

    The one thing I am sure of, though, is that the God of Abraham had nothing to do with it…

    That’s for sure!


  214. waldensianspirit
    214 | July 30, 2010 23:56

    lobo91 wrote:

    The one thing I am sure of, though, is that the God of Abraham had nothing to do with it…

    The “God of Abraham” [relationship Abraham had with God] makes this claim by moham bizarre to say the least:

    Qur’an 3:67 “Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.” Qur’an 3:69 “It is the wish of the followers of the People of the Book to lead you astray. But they make none to go astray except themselves, but they perceive not. You People of the Book! Why reject you the signs, proofs, and verses of Allah, of which you are witnesses? You People of the Book! Why do you clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth?”

    First circumcised man not a Jew? ahuh.


  215. Philip_Daniel
    215 | July 31, 2010 00:10

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Muhammad Mohsin Khan translates “Ma kana ibraheemu yahoodiyyan wala nasraniyyan walakin kana haneefan musliman wama kana mina almushrikeena” as “Ibrahim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa (Islamic Monotheism – to worship none but Allah Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (See V.2:105).”

    “Al-Mushrikun” means “those who associate other gods with Allah” or “the idolatrous polytheists.” It is interchangeable with zalimun (wrongdoers), moharebin (rebels against Allah), kuffar (unbelievers), zanadiqa (freethinkers), fasiqun (sinners), mujrimun (those who commit abominations), and mufsidun (mischief makers). It is roughly synonymous with anyone who refuses to “revert” to Allah’s deen and follow his despotic law (Sha’a'ir Allah). Anyone who substitutes man-made law for Shari’a is a mushrik (specifically guilty of shirk al-hakimiyyah [also called kufr al-istibdal] in this case). Human beings are created solely as slaves of Allah, and anyone who rejects Allah as supreme lawgiver and who thenceforth prefers to rule according to reason rather than Shari’a is considered akin to a rebellious and seditious slave whose very existence causes discord and dissension, corrupting the earth and tempting others from the rigors of the deen.

    The foremost mufassir of the Shafi’i school, ibn Kathir makes it clear that Shirk is worse than Killing and Fighting the Jews and Christians is legislated because They are Idolators and Disbelievers.

    I could go on, but I’m exhausted, and I need some sleep…


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